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Internal poll: Kentucky Senate race a dead heat

Is the Kentucky Senate race much closer than everyone thinks?

An internal poll by respected pollster Benenson Strategy Group that was conducted for Dem Jack Conway's campaign and sent my way finds the race is a statistical tie, with Rand Paul leading 47-45, well within the margin of error.

Now, obviously you'll want to be cautious about internal polls. But this comes as the NRSC has gone up on the air in Kentucky with a new spot hammering Conway, perhaps a hint that the race is closer than we've been led to believe:

A GOP official told Ben Smith that the ad is not a sign that national Republicans are worried, but that the goal is to "put this race away early" and to try to get national Dems to spend cash on the race that might otherwise be spent on vulnerable incumbents.

Several other public polls have shown Paul with a wide lead. But the Conway camp's internal polling memo by Benenson Strategy Group, or BSG, insists its own numbers are far more accurate:

The BSG poll was conducted using a sample of registered voters who were screened to ensure that they are likely to vote on Election Day.

Recently, a series of public polls have been released that either fail to interview registered voters (Rasmussen and SurveyUSA) or that interview registered voters but fail to screen to ensure that voters are likely to vote (CNN). Both approaches are flawed -- particularly this close to Election Day.

This race has shown polling all over the map. And as a colleague remarked to me just now, the battle between the party committees over what the polling actually says about this particular contest is among the most ferocious spin wars under way right now. The DSCC has reserved air time in October for this race, and obviously the real tell as to whether national Dems think this is winnable will come when we see how much cash they're willing to actually plunk down in the end.

By Greg Sargent  |  September 15, 2010; 12:24 PM ET
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Conway is a strong candidate imho.

OT but I wonder how O'Donnell is going to get Hillary voters if she's busy dissing Hillary. Someone should grab this clip before O'Donnell removes it from her site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k1SKIj94TM

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 15, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate Silver has given Conway a 11% chance of winning. That compares with the 17% he's given Christine O'Donnell.

Give it up. This one is done.

Posted by: ath17 | September 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Greg had convinced me long ago that Paul's outrageous views and gaffes made a Conway victory all but certain. What happened?

Posted by: sbj3 | September 15, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

nice catch, mike. got link to the page on her web site that has this?

also, did she say she's going after hillary voters?

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 15, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Greg, that link is from her youtube account.

And, I heard a few references in the last few days about her going after Hillary voters. Lemme use me some Googles....brb.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 15, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait, Chris Matthews said it, lol./

"I do want to point out that we have broad based support, we've got a lot of Hillary Democrats working behind us -- with us -- because they're frustrated with what this administration is doing," O'Donnell (R-DE) said this morning on Fox News.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/christine-odonnell-targeting-hillary-democrats-in-delaware-republican-primary-video.php

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 15, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Previous was a typo, I first found the Mathews link but removed the reference I was gonna make to it until I found the O'Donnell quote.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 15, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

@sbj

Please, feel free to post some links to blog entries in which Greg said that Conway's victory was "all but certain" - or anything equivilent.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | September 15, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

OT:

* South Carolina Senate President Dresses Up Like Confederate Soldier With Black Slaves At GOP Event *

As FITS News reports, South Carolina Senate President Glenn McConnell (R) participated in the event by dressing up as a Confederate General, and at many points posed with African Americans dressed as slaves:

"""The National Federation of Republican Women (NFRW) held its annual fall Board of Directors meeting in Charleston, S.C. last weekend – a decision the organization is likely regretting after several controversial pictures from one of the meeting’s sponsored events began surfacing on the internet. One of the pictures shows S.C. Senate President Glenn McConnell – who FITS readers will recall enjoys dressing up as a Confederate General – posing in his Rebel garb with a pair of African-Americans dressed in, um, “antebellum” attire."""

See photo:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/NFRW1.jpg

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/15/sc-senate-confederate-gop/

No! GOP is not racist! No way no how!

Just, um um um, history buffs, yeah that's it!

"Disgusting" doesn't even do it justice.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 15, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Conway should keep reminding the voters about Rand Pauls's views on Mine Safety.

Blue Moon Of Kentucky Keep On Shining.

Elvis does a nice job on the Bill Monroe classic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZWXpmbu4Z4

Posted by: Liam-still | September 15, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

This is getting ridiculous.

* O’Donnell So Fervently Pro-Truth That She Wouldn’t Lie To Nazis Asking If She Were Hiding Jews In Her Home *

Izzard asked O’Donnell whether or not she would lie to Nazis who showed up at her door during WWII and demanded to know if she were hiding any Jewish people in her house. O’Donnell refused to even entertain the notion of concealing the truth from Nazis in that scenario because “you never have to practice deception”:

O’DONNELL: A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you’re exaggerating or lying to, because it’s not respecting reality.

MAHER: Quite the opposite, it can be respect.

IZZARD: What if someone comes to you in the middle of the Second World War and says, ‘do you have any Jewish people in your house?’ and you do have them. That would be a lie. That would be disrespectful to Hitler.

O’DONNELL: I believe if I were in that situation, God would provide a way to do the right thing righteously. I believe that!

MAHER: God is not there. Hitler’s there and you’re there.

O’DONNELL: You never have to practice deception. God always provides a way out.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/15/odonnell-lie-jews/

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 15, 2010 12:50 PM |

.....................

She wouldn't lie to save people from the gas chambers, but she was willing to lie about here education.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 15, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

With all these ads proclaiming "OBAMA AND PELOSI CUT BILLIONS FROM MEDICARE" (they are flooding the zone here in the Sunshine State) why haven't any Dems fired back with "REPUBLICANS SUPPORT WASTE AND FRAUD IN MEDICARE SPENDING"? Does that simply not resonate or something?

Posted by: TimInFlorida | September 15, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I do like the new Christine O'Donnell campaign slogan, that will soon be rolled out.

Christine O'Donnell, The Unteabagger(She is pure you know) for US Senator:

romises the voters A Chastity Belt On Every Crotch.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 15, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

mike I almost fell out of my seat last night when I heard O'Donnell trying to speak directly to the Hillary Clinton supporters in her acceptance speech, which is was one. How stupid does she think we are? Reminds me of Plain trying that same lame trick in 2008. If anything it will certainly p.o. waivering Ds to get behind.

I doubt I am alone in expecting Castle to endorse Coons for the Senate nomination, castle will be leaving Congress in Jan and has zero to lose, but the idea that Hillary supporters will join O'Donnell is truely laughable.

I still don t think Conway has a prayer of chance, but if anything his making the race competitive will certainly drain GOP resources from Wisconsin and Washington State races.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 15, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

No, Tim, no it does not.

10% unemployment resonates. A centrist government's inaction resonates. When the status quo has failed so spectacularly over the past 20 years, voters back candidates of any persuasion who promise change. And when a party that promised change runs on the slogan that, golly, change is hard, then they will lose unless they present a further plan for improvement.

Posted by: stonedone | September 15, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Liam, great Bill Monroe reference, BLUE Moon of KY, love it.

And thanks for re-posting that story about O'Donnell not lying to the Nazis. You're right, lying in your campaign? That's fine. But lying to save someone's life? Not so much. She is yet another sick, disgusting, reprehensible Republican.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 15, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"A GOP official told Ben Smith that the ad is not a sign that national Republicans are worried, but that the goal is to "put this race away early" and to try to get national Dems to spend cash on the race that might otherwise be spent on vulnerable incumbents."
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Well, what would you expect them to say? Seriously.

And if you're reading the Politico, it's no one's fault but you're own.

Posted by: CalD | September 15, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

mike I almost fell out of my seat last night when I heard O'Donnell trying to speak directly to the Hillary Clinton supporters in her acceptance speech, which I was. How stupid does she think we are? Reminds me of Palin trying that same lame trick in 2008 which pushed me to abandon McCain and support Obama. If anything it will certainly p.o. waivering Ds to get behind Coons.

I doubt I am alone in expecting Castle to endorse Coons for the Senate nomination, Castle will be leaving Congress in Jan and has zero to lose, but the idea that Hillary supporters will join O'Donnell is truely laughable.

I still don't think Conway has a prayer of chance, but if anything his making the race competitive will certainly drain valuable GOP resources from Wisconsin and Washington State races.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you’re exaggerating or lying to, because it’s not respecting reality."

So, she thinks Nazis deserved to be respected? Seriously?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Now the democrats have to decide who they are going to target their hate at -


Sharon Angle, Rand Paul - Christine O'Donnell


The democrats have so many people to hate - what are they going to do ?

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 15, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

TimInFlorida,

Whose ads are those about "cutting medicare"? Rick Scott? Marco Rubio?

Just curious, I've been following FL politics for a while.

Sink is definitely going after Scott's personal involvement in massive medicare fraud, just as McCollum did in the GOP Gov primary.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 15, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

@cat,

This is what happens when you cling to some simplistic ideology (not lying) and you are not a Jesuit (intellectually). You paint yourself into ridiculous corners, like respecting Nazi's and contributing to the deaths of Jews. I wouldn't take her ideological position seriously, since she lies when it suits her, but what I take away from this, is that she is rather simple minded and doesn't recognize a trap.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

@BBQ "Feel free to post some links to blog entries in which Greg said that Conway's victory was "all but certain"

Did I write that Greg wrote that?

Posted by: sbj3 | September 15, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"Now the democrats have to decide who they are going to target their hate at -"

You are confusing "hate" with "mockery". Trying using the google to find out the difference.

November may turn into a blood bath, but looking on the bright side of things: we have a lot of jokes about mastur*bation to look forward to.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 15, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Hate? It's not hate we have. Just utter disbelief at how extreme the Republican party has become.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 15, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

What utter nonsense. I do understand that more people read papers about close races than not, but all serious polls show Rand Paul with a large to comfortable margin of lead.

McConnell's approval ratings in KY went upside down when he backed the wrong horse in the primary, from conservatives' point of view, and he will need to face them in his next primary. His deal with them was that 'whoever won' the primary, he and the party would fully back the winner. He HAS to live up to that. Rand Paul is considered a 'rock star' in KY conservative circles.

Posted by: sailingaway1 | September 15, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Curious where the inflammatorry word hate is coming from. Most of us feel sorry for the rational Rs, who are having these radical R candidates thrust upon them in a general election. Apparently to the Tea Party calling SS, Medicare and Civil Rights laws Unconstititional overreaching by government is not radical but within the norm of their philosophy. Mitch McConnell will obviously be the first casualty of the Tea Party being in any leadership role, minority or majority leader in January, b/c obviously he is way to liberal for this crowd.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 15, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Greg, let me fix that for you:

"A GOP official [rolled over in bed and] told Ben Smith that the ad is not a sign that national Republicans are worried..."

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 15, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"An internal poll by respected pollster Benenson Strategy Group that was conducted for Dem Jack Conway's campaign and sent my way finds the race is a statistical tie, with Rand Paul leading 47-45, well within the margin of error."
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I was just explaining to someone yesterday who thought that Democrats should abandon this race because Paul led by 7 in the last PPP poll, that you're technically supposed to double the nominal MoE for a poll when looking at two-candidate margins in polls. The margin of error applies to single values, not differences between two numbers. So strictly speaking, Benenson and PPP poll could very well be perfectly in line with each other within the expected limits on precision for statical sampling. They could both be right.

My remark the day that Paul won the primary though, was that this is where we find out if there's such a thing as a Republican too loony even for Kentucky, and I certainly wouldn't give you better than even odds on that then or now. Take Mitch McConnell... please!

This was always going to be Republicans race to lose. The fact that in nominating Paul, they've tried their damndest to do just that never made it a lock that they'd succeed in doing so. But they definitely could. This race is in play for sure and it bears remembering that for anyone but a hopeless political junkie, the election campaign really only began last week.

Posted by: CalD | September 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@12BarBlues: The sad thing about O'Donnell being "simple-minded" is that her followers don't care in the least. Like all good wingnuts, they think it's a feature not a bug.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 15, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Hate? Hate? Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get in line behind Karl Rove for the Hate Parade.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The country never turned left in 2008. That was a deception.


Two things happened in 2008 - which caused the democrats to gain votes, but did not represent a turn to the left of those voters.


One was the economic melt-down - which everyone knows was more about Clinton's policies than Bush's.

The other was Obama left the campaign finance system - and started running extra commercials.


That is NOT a turn to the left.


Obama and the democrats have really blown it - the disaster is their own - and many have been "unforced errors"


Anyway - I think it is fair to say that Obama and the democrats sought out to fool the American people - and instead ended up fooling themselves.

David Paul Kuhn has an article on the economic aspect.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/09/15/september_15_crash_explains_obama_democrats_woe_107164.html

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 15, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Actually I do hate all Hater Mongers, and since that is what Most TeaBaggers really are, I do hate those evil people.


I see a number of Republicans trying to spin it, that the Tea Party is not really a key part of the Republican party.

Right, and I suppose Quitter Palin, who was their party's VP nominee, and is the most prominent leader of the Tea Party members, is not a Republican either. Get real. The Tea Party crowd, are the very same Christian Right crowd, that Karl Rove sold out to, in order to turn them into George W. Bush's reliable base, for eight years.

The Tea Party is the Invasive Species, that Karl Rove imported into the Republican Party, and what we are seeing now, is just Rove's Asian Carp pushing out all the other fish in the GOP lake.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 15, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Big question - will teabaggers like Paul and O'Donnell insist on spending reductions equal to the amount of revenue the GOP wants to abandon by giving tax cuts to rich people?

Isn't the teabaggers biggest concern the deficit?

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 15, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Scary piece on Delaware voters by Howard fineman in Newsweek today.

Howard says "Democrats are trying to convince themselves the GOP is hopelessly divided, but that’s wishful thinking."

Howard found Repubs reluctance voting only for the once popular Mike Castle none of whoem will switch to the Democrat.

He writes: "President Obama, meanwhile, is behaving like a guy unsure of which way to run as buildings collapse around him."

The Dems are in full denial... running from their own record and their own President and praying they won't be wiped out of Congress.

Posted by: pvilso24 | September 15, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is the Invasive Species, that Karl Rove imported into the Republican Party, and what we are seeing now, is just Rove's Asian Carp pushing out all the other fish in the GOP lake.
-------------------------------
Fine metaphor. Here's another from Lisa Simpson:

"“You can't create a monster, then whine when it stomps on a few buildings”

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The country never turn left in 2008 - and yet Obama refused to see what the American People really wanted.


Instead Obama decided to jam permanent far left-wing changes onto America.


Obama is a disgrace to this nation - no one who holds public office should have that kind of attitude toward the American People.


The American People deserve better.

When the economy is bad, the American People deserve a President who DROPS EVERYTHING AND WORKS ON THE ECONOMY, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.


Instead, Obama said to the nation - he "didn't come to Washington to do" such things - Obama was there to do "big things"


Obama told the American People that unemployment HAD TO WAIT -


While Obama stroked his own ego - and tried to do this "big things" - which would only result in a DRAG ON HIRING - and further hurt the economy.

Anyway - this is what the democrats have done. It is a mess - and the American People are against all this.


.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 15, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Far less than sixty thousand people voted in the Delaware Republican Primary, for the US Senate race.

That is nothing to be scared of.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 15, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"One was the economic melt-down - which everyone knows was more about Clinton's policies than Bush's"

this comment is total garbage considering that 1. Bill Clinton left office 8 year before the Lehman/Bear Sterns collapse and
2. With a $250 billion Surplus that was quickly thrown away with the 2001 tax cut.

Interesting re write of history, unfortunately for you NO ONE IS BUYING.

I along with most economist blame the appointment of Chris Cox, which Ds uniformly opposed, to the SEC, and his laisse-faire oversite while chair at the SEC, as the cause of the meltdown. Now we can hear how its the D's fault that Bush appointment Cox.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 15, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan and anybody else interested in Florida politics...yes Ethan...
"yet another sick, disgusting, reprehensible Republican."

At least the sickest, most disgusting, reprehensible Republicand Rick Scott is gettting his but kicked.

3 polls show Alex Sink leading this loser including a Fox poll yesterday which has it
Sink 49% Scott 41%

Sink clobbers Scott among indys..it's only the dirtbag R's here who put party about state, nation and their neighbors who can stomach voting for this slimeball.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 15, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

@leichtman,

You do know who Rainforest is, don't you? The selfsame Chris Cillizza nemesis, 37th and who cares street.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

All, leading Blue Dog Dem Jim Matheson comes out against vote for extension of middle class tax cuts:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/a_blue_dog_dem_explains_why_he.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 15, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

So, Christine O'Donnell does not believe in evolution? She claims that she is a Roman Catholic, and the Vatican does not challenge the theory of evolution.

What the hell sort of Catholic is this O'Donnell creature? A member of Mel Gibson's cult church, perhaps?!

Posted by: Liam-still | September 15, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Why don't the Dems stand by that add and play it often then explain how the Republican's tried to bankrupt the program with Medicare Advantage then show that is all they cut. Medicare Advantage doesn't impact most people on Medicare and the Democrats need to make that clear... It was a program designed to let the rich guys use Medicare with their Cadillac plan.

Posted by: soapm | September 15, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

yes and we know that he made those axct same idiotic posts a The Fix. No one took him serious there, hopefully Plum Line readers will come to understand his irrational arguments. I certainly don t have time to waste responding in kind until he goes off the deep end like his post above. He told us he was a Hillary supporter but hates Bill, go figure.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 15, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

I'm feeling bad for the Irish today. And the Catholics. The O'Donnell creature has set back the image of the Catholic Church's committment to science at least a hundred years.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

STRF said he was a Hillary supporter!!!! That was before my time on the Fix. OMG, you must be kidding. We'll have to find that in the archives.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse


@liam,

I'm feeling bad for the Irish today. And the Catholics. The O'Donnell creature has set back the image of the Catholic Church's committment to science at least a hundred years.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 2:03 PM |

..................

Not to worry. We all have our Village Idiots, and Snake Oil Salesmen to put up with. For example Hannity, and O'Reilly.

Besides: she is only half Irish. Her mother was Italian American.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 15, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

There was a discussion this morning on the way the two parties treat their "fringe" candidates. Well, the GOP just sent O'Donnell $42K and Mitt Romney sent her $5K.

Republican leaders continue to go to great lengths to satisfy their base, but it's also further proof of how the parties deal with fringe candidates who unexpectedly win statewide primaries. When Alvin Greene managed to win the Democratic Senate primary in South Carolina, leading Dems, including House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, said they wanted nothing to do with him. It was a responsible thing to do.

But on the other side of the aisle, candidates who are nearly as ridiculous as Alvin Greene keep winning Republican primaries, and keep receiving their party's backing.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025677.php

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 15, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

How stupid is Christine O'Donnell?

Fan: "Christine, I'd like to give you this antique watch that belonged to my grandmother"

Christine: "Why would I care what time it used to be?"

Posted by: bernielatham | September 15, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

soapm: simple reason. B/C Rs presume that voters are so dumb that all they have to hear is the word Medicare, ignoring the rest of the phrase Advantage. Rs are obviously skilled in demagogery and messaging, notice even Meg as gotten into calling her ad "essentially accurate" when even CNN and Fact Check have called it for what it is, a lie. Anderson Cooper was hillarious last night when he told Paul Begalla to just stop pussy footing around about O'Donell's references to sex and call it what it was. It is too bad that we can't have more frank talk like that.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 15, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

heads up everyone--

Clawrence is going to defend Christine O'Donnell over on "O'Donnell's Victory" thread. I asked him to start with her accomplishments, record and education.

Pull up your chairs and wait to be educated by Clawrence.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I still think that Christine O'Donnell is on to something.

A Chastity Belt For Every Crotch, is a strong campaign promise.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 15, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010:

Rick Scott ad (not frequent):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqDZt7sxL80

The 60-Plus Association ad (very):
[ couldn't find it standalone, but here's a breakdown of the ad ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qwtI1CAQeI

That one seems to run a lot here.

Posted by: TimInFlorida | September 15, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

LOL, poor Conway. Down 7 in PPP yesterday, down 15 in Rasmussen, down 15 in SurveyUSA. Things are not going well in the independent polls of likely voters. So just put out a laughable internal, give it to the same paper that touted Grayson's internals vs. Paul in the primary from "respected pollster" Jan van Lohuizen and expect everyone to just "believe." Of course, neither Conway nor his willing allies at the ComPost believe him to really be close now: this is more a ploy to trick delusional democrats and the DSCC from not thinking Conway a lost cause and moving on.

Posted by: KYSteve56 | September 15, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What the phuckkkkk is going on?

Limbaugh comes out against Rove...
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201009150031

Posted by: bernielatham | September 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's the opening graph from a post by Digby today. Better than this it seldom gets.

"Last night the teabaggers nominated an anti-m@sturbation woman for the senate in one state and a pro-besti@lity man for governor in another. Talk about a Big Tent..."

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/todays-left-jab-alaskas-craziest-catch.html

Posted by: bernielatham | September 15, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Better than this it seldom gets."

Channeling Yoda?

Posted by: sbj3 | September 15, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@bernie,

Poor Karl. Who woulda thunk it would end this way. Karma. Or Karlma.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

@cmmcaulley: "When Alvin Greene managed to win the Democratic Senate primary in South Carolina, leading Dems, including House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, said they wanted nothing to do with him."

But that's in large part because they don't see even a really great Democrat having any chance of beating Jim Demint. If they thought Alvin Greene might actually win that race, because it looked to be a Democrat year or the polls showed a certain tightening or whatever, then they'd support Alvin Greene, irrespective of how poor a candidate he is in reality. Because that's politics.

Since they don't see any way that Alvin Greene could possibly win, of course they aren't going to support him. If he had an outside chance of winning? Well, remember how handlers suddenly showed up to "help" Angle? Well, the DNC knows those sorts of people, too.

What that means is they think O'Donnell has an outside of winning this thing, even so. If they didn't believe it was possible, she wouldn't be getting any resources, either.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 15, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "Actually I do hate all Hater Mongers, and since that is what Most TeaBaggers really are, I do hate those evil people"

He kinda stole my thunder. I was going to say: "It ain't hate when you hate the haters."

Sort of a "ends justify the means if you're battling people for whom the ends justify the means" sort of philosophy.

I gotta admit, some stuff does drive me batty. But "hate" is an awful strong word, especially when thrown around about people who, in fact, aren't using that kind of the language, per se.

There tends to be an impulse to characterize folks who disagree with us dramatically on a lot of issues as "haters", as that seems to be the only explanation as to why the disagree with us on some many things.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 15, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

@sbj - Strunk and Yoda.

Posted by: bernielatham | September 15, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Could the neoconservatives be happy with a stupid, incurious and frighteningly under-educated President?

"In his new book, A Journey, Mr Blair writes that the former US president was confused by the presence of Guy Verhofstadt at the 2001 G8 summit in Genoa.

“He didn’t know or recognise Guy, whose advice he listened to with considerable astonishment,” Mr Blair writes. “He then turned to me and whispered, ‘Who is this guy?’ ‘He is the prime minister of Belgium,’ I said.

“Belgium? George said, clearly aghast at the possible full extent of his stupidity. ‘Belgium is not part of the G8’.”

Mr Blair explained to Mr Bush that Mr Verhofstadt was there as “president of Europe”. Belgium held the presidency of the EU council at the time.

Mr Bush responded: “You got the Belgians running Europe?” before shaking his head, “now aghast at our stupidity”, Mr Blair writes." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/tony-blair/7975240/Tony-Blair-George-Bush-did-not-recognise-Belgian-prime-minister.html

Yeah, that would be fine.

Posted by: bernielatham | September 15, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Mr Bush responded: “You got the Belgians running Europe?” before shaking his head, “now aghast at our stupidity”, Mr Blair writes.
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Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

I guess he's not George's poodle anymore.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 15, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

A shame Greg can't sway public opinion the one he once could...

Go Angle, Paul, O'Donnell and unbritled capitalism!

Posted by: gwuc4 | September 18, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Shame Greg can't sway public opinion the way he once could...

Go Angle, Paul, O'Donnell and unbritled capitalism!

Posted by: gwuc4 | September 18, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

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