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Is the Dems' Bush strategy finally gaining traction?

Okay, so we now have two national polls suggesting that the Dem strategy of tying the GOP to Bush may finally be gaining some traction. For Dems, it's not a moment too soon.

As I've noted here before, polls have steadily shown that the public may not be buying the Dems' central message -- that a vote for the GOP is a vote for the Bush policies that ran our economy into the ground. But that may be changing, if this finding buried in the internals of today's New York Times poll can be believed:

If the Republicans win control of Congress in November do you think they will try to return to the economic policies of George W. Bush or won't they try to return to the policies of George W. Bush?

Return to policies of George W. Bush 47

Won't return to George W. Bush policies 36

That's not all. Buried in the National Journal poll last week was a finding that attracted no notice:

By a plurality of 45 percent to 33 percent, poll respondents were more likely to say that congressional Republicans are offering an economic agenda similar to Bush's than to say they are proposing something different.

Why the shift? This is speculative. But my bet is that the shift is being driven by the debate over whether to extend the Bush tax cuts, which has dominated the news in recent days. The unanimous Republican support for extending the Bush tax cuts, especially for the rich, may have focused public attention on the Dem argument that Republicans want nothing more than a return to Bush policies.

Of course, even if the public is beginning to buy the central Dem case about the GOP and Bush, there's still no indication it will help limit Dem losses. Today's Times poll finds high anti-incumbent sentiment and widespread discontent with Obama's performance on the economy. Dem control of Congress is still in peril.

But the poll does also find that a whopping 72 percent think the GOP has no plan to get us out of our mess. Could that reflect Dem messaging about Bush? And if nothing else, growing public acceptance of the Dems' message about Bush is another sign that the fight over the Bush tax cuts is a political winner for Dems. After all, is there any issue that more clearly dramatizes the Dem case about the GOP and Bush than this one?

UPDATE, 12:31 p.m.: A top Dem pollster warns House Dems that they must hold a vote on extending the tax cuts for the middle class in order to galvanize their unenthusiastic base.

By Greg Sargent  |  September 16, 2010; 10:32 AM ET
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It is brazen for Republicans to go all in and draw a line in the sand and hold Obama's permanent middle class tax cut hostage so the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy that this country can't afford be extended.

Admiral Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint CoS, made it clear that our deficit is a security threat. Maybe Republicans are willing to play with our security so the top 3% can get their way?

Shame on Republicans.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 16, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party blames those who helped Bush do what he did. Isn't that why they voted to oust incumbent Republican candidates?

Therefore, Democrats have every right to blame Bush for the mess he created, that we are still trying to dig out from under.

The Tea Baggers want to have it both ways. They want to blame all incumbents for what happened under Bush/Cheney, but they do not want Democrats to be allowed to blame the guy, that those very same right wing voters kept in the White House for eight years.

Grand Old Tea Party;(GOT-P)

Posted by: Liam-still | September 16, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Greg asks, "Why the shift?"

Isn't it conventional wisdom that nobody pays attention until after Labor Day? Could not timing be a big part of this shift?

Posted by: nisleib | September 16, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"is there any issue that more clearly dramatizes the Dem case about the GOP and Bush than this one?"

Simply, NO.

No there isn't.

There used to be Iraq War and Tax Cuts for the Rich... now it's just tax cuts for the rich.

You could throw oil drilling in the mix, but Dems are less against oil drilling -- so long as it is done "responsibly" whatever that means -- than they are against tax cuts for the rich.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

As a 62 year old guy I have a little perspective derived from being around too many years. :-)

Since the first election I can remember..through my parents of course..at least I was too young to vote..LOL..was Ike versus Stephensen...then Kennedy-Nixon..
and on...historically the R party has always been viewed as the party of the wealthy while the Dems have been viewed as the party of the common man.

Give St. Ronnie credit...he used social issues and an avuncular personality to break that stereotype...not in reality of course..but in perception...it was then the R's started moving more and more wealth to the top 2%.

It's 30 years since 1980 and the incredible inequitable wealth distribution is becoming very obvious. It's pretty clear once again that the reality is...R's are the party of the wealthy plutocrats..D's are the party of the people. Eventually even the misguided teabaggers will realize this and when they do...pity the R's when that populism is directed where it should be...at the wealthy..largely white..plutocrats.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 16, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Ha, ha, ha. Saying doesn't make it so, though you wish

"For one thing, recent polls show an astounding rebound in the former president’s favorability — to the extent that in the bellwether state of Ohio, voters would rather still have Bush as president than Obama by a 50-42 margin. Nationwide, Obama’s approval ratings continue to sink to near 40 percent — a nadir that took years for Bush to reach. It has become better politics to praise rather than to bury Bush."

http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson090510B.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/245799/our-waning-obama-worship-victor-davis-hanson

Posted by: tspafford | September 16, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

More polling data via Benen (repost from previous thread):

* Asked for their opinion on the way congressional Democrats have done their jobs, 30% of respondents approved. Asked the same about congressional Republicans, only 20% approved.

* Generally speaking, 45% of Americans have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party, the highest score in a year. For the GOP, 34% have a favorable opinion. At this point in 1994, when Republicans took control of Congress, the party's favorable rating was 52%.

* 39% of Americans believe President Obama has a clear plan for solving the nation's problems. 18% say the same about congressional Republicans.

* Which party has better ideas for solving the nation's problems? 40% say Democrats, 33% say Republicans.

* Who's doing more to improve the economy? 48% say President Obama, 28% say Republicans.

* Which party is more likely to create new jobs? 44% say Democrats, 38% say Republicans.

* Which party will do more to help the middle class? 55% say Democrats, 33% say Republicans.

* Who's to blame for the economic mess? 37% say the Bush administration, 11% say Congress, 5% say the Obama administration.

Even on health care, 40% support repeal. But when the poll tells respondents that repeal would go back to allowing insurance companies to discriminate against those with pre-existing conditions, support for repeal drops to 19% -- suggesting the repeal push would fail miserably if Americans were told of the consequences.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025690.php

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 16, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Greg, All,

Check this out.

3 years ago almost to the day...

-----

Conservatives, who are already warning that a Democrat in the White House would endanger the economy by raising taxes, said Mr. Obama’s plan posed a particular risk by increasing the rate on capital gains for many taxpayers, a step they said would choke off the investment the economy needs to expand.

“Barack Obama essentially announced his intention to reverse the economic success of the past couple of years by eliminating the most pro-growth aspects of the 2003 tax cuts,” said Pat Toomey, president of the Club for Growth, the conservative, antitax advocacy group.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/us/politics/19obama.html

~ September 19, 2007

-----

Howdya love that?

God Forbid we do anything to damage "the economic success of the past couple of years"... We can't "endanger the economy by raising taxes"...

...because obviously the economy was OH SO HEALTHY in the Fall of 2007.

Thanks Pat Toomey, current candidate for Senate in PA...

Thanks Pat for showing the world how FREAKING CLUELESS YOU ARE on economic issues.

Another quotation from the article:

“If you talk about this in polite company, sooner or later you’ll get accused of waging class warfare,” Mr. Obama said.

Yyyyyyyup.

Smart man that Senator Obama.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I hear Republicans say that they have learned their lesson, and if the voters will give them another chance, they will pursue a sound fiscal policy, because we can not afford to keep adding to the national debt, that we would be passing on to future generations.

That all sounds very noble, and they all sound sincerely repentant. Don' they?

So what is the first big step those Born Again, Republican Deficit Hawks indicate they wish to do?

The want to add Four Trillion Dollars to the National Debt, and pass it on, to future generations, in order to provide long term tax cuts for Pampered Fat Cats, who created no additional jobs, with the Bush Tax Cuts they received.


The Grand Old Tea Party(GOT-P) wishes to borrow Four Trillion Dollars, from China, in order to Implement their New Fiscal Restraint Policy.

Yes They Do. Yes They Do. Yes They Do.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 16, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

@cmccauley60

Given all those polling numbers from Benen, it's really shocking at how the elections are poised to turn out - massive GOP gains.

Makes you wonder if there are a large percentage of people who are casting a vote-via-poll against Dems due to frustration now, but will not actually pull the lever for the GOP once they are in the voting booth.

I don't know if it's true, or if it would be enough to actually effect the outcomes...but it sure has the potential to make the CW-driven pundits look pretty bad come November.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | September 16, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Republicans keep telling us, that President Obama wants to turn America into a EU style country, and they oppose that.

Yet, their leading man on economics policy, Paul Ryan, wants to implement a Value Added Tax, to be added to the price of what people pay for items they purchase. That VAT tax would be added on top of your local sales tax, and would be used to allow Republicans to eliminate taxes on corporations.

Value Added Taxes is how revenues are collected in The EU. So, Republicans are both against becoming more like the EU, while also being the Party that wants to Tax people, like they do in Europe.

Yes The Do. Yes They Do. Yes They Do.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 16, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Option 1: Add $4 trillion to deficit.
Option 2: Add $3.3 trillion to deficit.
Option 3: Raise taxes on everyone.

GOP wins on all three:

1. They get what they want.
2. They still get to (disingenuously) complain about the deficit.
3. They get to complain about tax-and-spend Dems.

Posted by: sbj3 | September 16, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

IMO, this vote is more of a vote for divided government and gridlock than a vote for the GOP. IMO, when independents voted for "change" in 2008, they were voting for "not this." Obama misinterpreted 2008 for a progressive mandate that wasn't really there. I don't think voters are ready for hardcore fiscal austerity, more tax cuts, or more deregulation, either.

I do think voters dislike government run by one party - it inevitably overreaches.

FWIW, divided government might prove to be a big boost to the economy in that it eliminates regulatory uncertainty (once the lame-duck session is over). If Obama can tack to the center the way Clinton did in 94, maybe, just maybe, the economy can pick up a little, and gain some momentum. I believe there is some pent-up demand out there, and the stock market is acting like it senses it too.

Putting Elizabeth Warren in a position of visibility (but no power) could in fact indicate he is going Clinton - mollifying progressives by nominating her, with a wink to Wall Street that she can't do anything but make suggestions that will be ignored.

The optimist in me is thinking this could be the catalyst to get the economy moving again.

Posted by: sold2u | September 16, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for proving to us, yet again, SBJ that you and your party don't give a sh*t about doing the right thing for AMERICA.

You ONLY want what's right for the GOP politically.

You should really be ashamed, but since you have no shame, you're not and it's obvious that you simply don't care.

Republicans are thoroughly shameless, heartless, and spineless when it comes to doing what is right. People like SBJ, as well as others here, prove that on a daily basis.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

For years Republican Leaders have pointed to The Irish Republic's very low corporate tax rates, as the way to go, since it was what created The Celtic Tiger. That is yet another European nation that Republicans wanted to emulate, while at the same time claiming that they do not want America to behave like EU nations do.

Now that the Celtic Tiger has lost all it's teeth and claws, and Vultures are circling over it's emaciated carcass, Republicans have gone silent.
Shouldn't they now be shouting. just as loudly, about the dangers of extremely low corporate taxes, because they were what wounded The Celtic Tiger, and left it without a revenue stream, to restore it's vitality?

Yes They Should. Yes They Should. Yes They Should.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 16, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

@ethan: "You ONLY want what's right for the GOP politically."

If you will read what I wrote, I only offered my opinion as to how this plays out.

@BBQ: "Makes you wonder if there are a large percentage of people who are casting a vote-via-poll against Dems due to frustration now, but will not actually pull the lever for the GOP once they are in the voting booth."

I think you are correct. I think the GOP makes the standard gains come November - nothing Earth shattering.

Posted by: sbj3 | September 16, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Face it, you liberal newsies, America has peered into the maw of the Obamanation and experienced the political and economic version of a near-death experience.

America wants to live again and Americans will repent and vote for the least of the two evils and the least of those two evils is clearly the Republican party.

The TEA PARTY people are really trying to remake the Republican party into a much better party. You should be wishing them well on that.

If you were not bitter Democrat partisans, that is.

Posted by: battleground51 | September 16, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I'll bite.

"The TEA PARTY people are really trying to remake the Republican party into a much better party."

How so?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 16, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"If you will read what I wrote, I only offered my opinion as to how this plays out."

Right and according to your shameless, heartless opinion the GOP "wins" if they obstruct Dems from giving the Middle Class the tax cuts they deserve and, thus, taxes increase when the Bush Tax Cuts expire.

You ought to be ashamed for attempting to cast that as a win for the GOP.

Republicans are Heartless and Cold.

And you simply DON'T CARE.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

@ethan: "You ought to be ashamed for attempting to cast that as a win for the GOP."

Is this not a blog about politics?

Grow up, man. You'll soon lose all interest in politics if you don't drop the naive idealism and look at things with a bit more cynicism. Remember: All's fair in love, war, and politics. You're just kidding yourself if you don't think that both parties play the same, cynical games.

Posted by: sbj3 | September 16, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Fairy Tales Can Come True,

According To Christine O'Donnell

From Salon.com

http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/index.html?story=/mwt/broadsheet/2010/09/16/christine_odonnell

"Christine O'Donnell, Tolkien scholar
The Republican Senate candidate's analysis of "Lord of the Rings" reveals her views on feminine roles "

Excerpt:

"yesterday, we learned yet more about her view of relations between the sexes – through, of all things, her analysis of J.R.R. Tolkien's work. In a 2003 essay, she wrote about the roles of women in "Lord of the Rings" and argued that Tolkein's female characters offer "insight into what it means to be a woman." But, more importantly, O'Donnell's exegesis gives insight into what she thinks it means to be a woman. Let's take a look, shall we?

She explains that Tolkein's "female characters, although drastically different from each other in personality, manifest at their core, true womanly femininity," and each represents a different female archetype, as she puts it: the "matriarch, princess, and warrior." Belladonna, who is mentioned in just a few lines, "did not have many adventures after she married, for her husband provided a great home for her," and "she is content, even utterly satisfied, in the role of a wife and mother," writes O'Donnell.

Then there is Arwen, who "presents the softer virtues of femininity: she's beautiful, gentle, and longsuffering. … Through her character, Tolkien shows us the challenge and the value of virtue and sacrifice." Arwen "represents a pillar of calm that is a source of strength for her man," writes O'Donnell. "Her great contribution to the war is the strength she provides to the future King." O'Donnell seems to anticipate the feminist eye-rolling and goes on the defensive: "

Use the link to read on.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 16, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Subtly, I think Dems are erasing the idea tax cuts magically produce increased revenue.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 16, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Yet ANOTHER example that Republicans don't care about the vast majority of Americans...

McConnell calls the rich:

"the people who've been hit hardest by this recession."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/09/bet_well_hear_that_again.php

I mean COME ON. It is truly to the point of absurdity at this point. It is SO TRANSPARENT that the Republican Party is THE PARTY OF WALL STREET AND THE CORPORATE ELITE.

And the Democratic Party is the party for EVERYONE ELSE.

Wake UP America. Republicans are heartless, cold, calculating servants of the wealthiest 3% of people in the world and should have NO PLACE governing this great country.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are doing a fine job of re-branding themselves as country club Republicans. That's for certain.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 16, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

All, check this out, tom Dem pollster tells Dems that they must hold vote on tax cuts for middle class, in order to engage the base:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/top_pollster_to_dems_hold_a_vo.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 16, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Politics isn't a GAME you freaking idiot.

It's an organized way to run for office so that the elected representatives can GOVERN and SERVE THE PUBLIC GOOD ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

You prove your hatred of representative democracy every single day with your pathetic games.

The Republican Party is cold, heartless, pathetic, careless and irresponsible; and you prove it every day with comments like the ones on this thread.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

As I predicted: John Kevorkian Boehner has now flip flopped on his position, that he would vote for a bill that cut taxes for the middle class only. He now is insisting on a straight up or down vote on Borrowing Four Trillion Dollars to cut taxes for Fat Cats, who did not create any jobs with their Bush Tax Cuts.

Boehner went on to say, when asked if he would still vote for tax cuts for the middle class, that he would not answer that hypothetical.


The would be next Speaker of the House, will not say where he stands on rescuing our Middle Class, but he does want to add Four Trillion Dollars to our national debt, in order to Pamper his party's Fat Cat pets.

Yes indeed. It does appear that John Kevorkian Boehner really has learned his lesson, and has become a Deficit Hawk. What better way to prove that is what he has become, than to insist on adding Four Trillion Dollars to our national debt, in order to rescue The Haves.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 16, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Right Wingers like to cherry-pick Rasmussen and Fox News numbers to make their fantasy case, but Gallup shows that Obama polls the same as he did at the beginning of the year (45-50%) and that Republicans haven't gained much after two years of screaming. They have a lead of around 5 points. That's enough to take a couple of House seats and that's about it. It'll be funny to see their heads explode when they finally realize Fox lied to them.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 16, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

John Boehner, and the R's, have made their calculations and have decided that the American people either 1) want tax breaks for the "haves" (not supported by the polls) or 2) are too dumb/disinterested to figure it out.

The D's have made their calculations that the American people 1) do not want tax breaks for the "haves" but 2) are scared to be bold.

This is like poker. You've got to know when to call the bluff. CALL IT!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 16, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I thought I read that the President is an excellent poker player. True?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 16, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

It'll be funny to see their heads explode when they finally realize Fox lied to them.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 16, 2010 12:20 PM
-----------------------------
With all due respect, I doubt they will ever realize that Fox lied to them. Fox controls the vertical...Fox controls the horizontal...

This will make sense to the Twilight Zone fans.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 16, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

12bar if Ds want to hold on to Congress, they need to think bold and I agree with
you, HOLD THE VOTE ON TAX CUTS Before the election.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 16, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The American voters love what they are hearing from the Tea Party winners. Even Republicans are surprised by their success and some of the “old guard” GOP is “shaken up” a bit. The Tea Party supporters have shown all American politicians of their Republican candidates will win primaries and Nov 2 general elections.

American voters know that Tea Party candidates are speaking the truth. The Tea Party movement represents wide contingency of American voters who do not want to be mislead by the Obama Democrat politics of left-wing propaganda deception. Taxes on high wage ($250,000) earners will not scratch the surface of Obama’s debt accumulation. It will hurt those in the best position to help the economy.

The President is not telling the truth when he says the economy is moving in the right directions. Review the facts of national debt, unrelenting spending of tax dollar that do not solve problems, white washing the national security threat of religious terrorist of the Islam religion, and continuously downgrading American values in favor of foreign country ambitions. U.S. trade policy with China advances them and retards U.S. economic incentives and growth. Muslims become more important than Americans. Join the Tea Party movement to Restore America by voting Republican.

Posted by: klausdmk | September 16, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

@leichtman,

Not only hold the vote on middle class tax cuts--but make it theatre (an idea espoused on the next thread, and one that I think is excellent). Make it THEATRE! Hold the VOTE!

Fortune favors the bold.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 16, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Both findings also reflect that the majority is just now starting to pay attention. The Tea Party Republicans have been the most interested up to now, but now the other 75% of the population is atarting to pay attention, just in time for the tax cut debate.

Posted by: Mimikatz | September 16, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

its called messaging and framing, something Ds are just not skilled at.
Hold the vote timed precisely to wrap up at the beginning of the evening news and then repeat the message ad nausea precisely the way the GOP would. That is the way you do it. Have Katie Couric have the lead story for the Friday evening news break away for a live final vote count and then pray that there are enough votes for its passage.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 16, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Blame Bush. A truly stupid stategy. These were right wing extreme policies that Bush was the front man for.

And whether it was the crackpot wars or taxcuts for the rich (wars are free remember) the right wing voted LOCKSTEP for these policies for 8 years.

Posted by: Modeldon_9 | September 16, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Blame Bush. A truly stupid stategy. These were right wing extreme policies that Bush was the front man for.

And whether it was the crackpot wars or taxcuts for the rich (wars are free remember) the right wing voted LOCKSTEP for these policies for 8 years.

Posted by: Modeldon_9 | September 16, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

@ruk: "R's are the party of the wealthy plutocrats..D's are the party of the people"

If only it were true. From what I've seen, the best that can be said is that the Rs are the party of the wealthy plutocrats, while the Ds are the party of the *other* wealthy plutocrats that aren't currently with the Rs. The people? Useful for photo ops and busing around for this or that election, sure, but, come on. Democrats ain't calling up the random average joe citizens and hitting them up for campaign donations. And least, not like the personal calls they give the lobbyists. "Oh, and by the way, I manage these committees that you get money from. Or that might regulate you guys. Just mentioning that."

http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/09/15/shock-audio-facing-obligations-from-leadership-democrat-house-member-puts-the-squeeze-on-lobbyist/

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 16, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "Christine O'Donnell, Tolkien scholar"

Well, that's done, then. She's got my vote.

That is, if I lived in Delaware. Which I don't. But if I do, oh, baby . . .

I wonder what her thoughts are on Morwen, wife of Húrin, and mother to Túrin Turambar. Or the tale of the long-suffering Erendis, wife of sea-faring Aldarion. Or the epic history of the powerful Galadriel and her husband--yet never quite her equal--Celeborn.

Important questions, in an important election.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 16, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@klausdmk "The American voters love what they are hearing from the Tea Party winners."

What country do you live in..or perhaps I should ask about what meds you are taking.

The tea party has won one race and lost one race. They claim credit for Scott Brown's win in a normally Dem state...but they also were the total reason N.Y.'s 23rd went Dem in many many decades. In other words a very conservative area of the country completely rejected the Teabaggers.

Wait until the actual races. You're trying to claim victory before there's even a contest.

Christine O'Donnell won a REPUBLICAN PRIMARY in a BLUE STATE. She gathered a fraction of the actual number of registered R's...many of whom apparently stayed home. She defeated an establishment R with less than 5% of the registered voters in Delaware.

The ONLY chance for you teabaggers is a low voter turnout...if there is even a reasonable turnout you teabaggers will be sent packing for good...perhaps to Alaska..where you belong.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 16, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin....I'd accept your point that not ALL Dems are for the people. There are plenty of them that sold out..blue kitties especially. We should have had a P.O. and the blue kitties were just as responsible for that failure as the R's

However in a general sense there really can be little argument. I've conceded your few Nixonian examples of Environmental regs..and a minimum wage...and in fact Nixon's folks were the first to consider what Obama eventually accepted as HCR. However I would posit that is the rare exception hardly representative of R policies.

Saint Ronnie is just as famous or perhaps infamous for his record blasting Medicare...his administration started the whole entire supply side trickle down fiasco that has eventually crashed our economy and led to the most drastic redistribution of wealth since the late 1920's. And simply look at legislation that benefits common people...OMG Union members included...
S.S. Dems...R's still trying to undue S.S.
Medicare/Medicaid Dems
Most labor laws Dems
Health Care Reform..TOTALLY Dems with zero help from the "death panel" "pull the plug on granny" R's. If only we could pull the plug on Grandpa Grassley. :-)

This list could go on and on..but the current fight on this MARGINAL rate tax increase is so typically Republican.

Certainly there are some Dems who are corporatist pigs..bought and paid for...
and there are a few R's who actually vote their conscience and do not always side with the wealthy...I consider these to be exceptions.

At the end of the day...actions speak louder than words...and results even louder.

In 1915 the richest 1% accounted for 18% of all the wealth.
By 1929 that number grew to 24%..and voila a Great Depression
In Post WWII America the distribution remained relatively stable..
Today once again the top 1% possess again 24% of the wealth and surprise..surprise..a great recession that was a whisker away from being a Depression.
Of course most of those on the right simply consider that a coincidence...I do not.

From 1980 to 2005, more than 80 percent of total increase in Americans' income went to the top 1 percent. That was certainly a result of R tax policy and the R laizzez faire attitude towards regulation.

http://www.slate.com/id/2266025/entry/2266026

Are their "some" Dems complicit in all of this...certainly...but by and large it is the R's who trickled down on us...not the Dems.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 16, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The people should know by now the Republican policy - they have only one - cut taxes for the rich and corporations - has proven to be a disaster for the lower class and middle class. 9% unemployment, the highest deficets in history, the worst economic performance since the 1930's.

Obama and the Democrats are at least trying to make things better.

If you want total gridlock; if you want to make no progress on anything for the next two years, if you want Bush Lite, then by all means vote Republican. Otherwise...

Posted by: alfa73 | September 16, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7:

Put your money where your mouth is, how about $100? You should feel extra confident since the first post-primary polling shows Chris Coons already beating Christine O'Donnell. So, how about a friendly wager? If Coons beats O'Donnell in November, I will donate $100 to the ACLU; if O'Donnell beats Coons, you will donate $100 to the Heritage Foundation.

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 16, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

People are confused. Winning a republican primary is not the same thing as winning the general election. The media is driving the Tea bagger movement.

Posted by: nsu1203 | September 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

So blaming Bush and class warfare now (still) garner spots 1 and 2 for the Dem's and their "strategy"?

What happened to "welcoming the fight" on all their super-duper legislative achievements?

Posted by: bzod9999 | September 16, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Of Course Bush Is To Blame.

The Tea Party blames those who helped Bush do what he did. Isn't that why they voted to oust incumbent Republican candidates?

Therefore, Democrats have every right to blame Bush for the mess he created, that we are still trying to dig out from under.

The Tea Baggers want to have it both ways. They want to blame all incumbents for what happened under Bush/Cheney, but they do not want Democrats to be allowed to blame the guy, that those very same right wing voters kept in the White House for eight years.

Grand Old Tea Party;(GOT-P)

Posted by: Liam-still | September 17, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

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