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Rand Paul kisses neocons' ring, but some neocons remain wary

One faction of the GOP that has remained particularly wary of Rand Paul's Senate candidacy are neoconservatives who are still angry about his father Ron Paul's criticism of Israel and his disdain for Bush-era military adventurism.

In the past, Rand has echoed his father's views, opposing the Iraq War, and from the neocon point of view, the Paul family's isolationism is as whacked out as anything hatched by the anti-war left.

Now, it turns out, Rand is looking to mend fences. He made a quiet pilgrimage and met privately with some of Washington's most influential neocons, as well as the pro-Israel lobby, delivering them a not-too-subtle message: Never mind my father's views, you guys can trust me now.

The episode is buried in Jason Zengerle's big new profile of Rand in GQ Magazine:

At a private office in Dupont Circle, he talked foreign policy with Bill Kristol, Dan Senor, and Tom Donnelly, three prominent neocons who'd been part of an effort to defeat him during the primary. "He struck me as genuinely interested in trying to understand why people like us were so apoplectic," Senor says of their two-hour encounter. "He wanted to get educated about our problem with him. He wasn't confrontational, and he wasn't disagreeable. He didn't seem cemented in his views. He was really in absorption mode."

The following month, he met with officials from the powerful lobbying group AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee), which has frequently clashed with Ron Paul over what the group views as his insufficient support of Israel. Paul, according to one person familiar with the AIPAC meeting, "told them what they wanted to hear: 'I'm more reasonable than my father on the things you care about.' He was very solicitous."

But some neocons still remain highly wary of Rand. Michael Goldfarb, who still works closely with Kristol, tells me that Rand's summit with the neocons has "dampened some of the concern" but that neocons remain split over whether Rand can be trusted.

"While there was once pretty much universal hostility to Paul among neoconservatives, there's now a split, with some folks inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and others still convinced he's his father's son," Goldfarb says. "Those folks aren't likely to change their minds until he starts casting votes on national security and defense issues."

It's the latest chapter in Rand Paul's extreme makeover: From neo-isolationist to neocon in 60 seconds!


By Greg Sargent  | September 22, 2010; 3:36 PM ET
Categories:  2010 elections, Foreign policy and national security, Senate Republicans  
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Another tea-party thing they are trying to hide that should terrify anyone with young female children:

"Call it the Palin Standard, the new normal creeping into Republican abortion politics—opposition even in cases of rape and incest. When Sarah Palin was plucked from obscurity two years ago to become the VP nominee, McCain’s senior policy aides did not know that she held this extreme position, which is shared by only 15 percent of the population, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll.

Now at least six Tea Party-backed statewide GOP candidates—Nevada’s Sharron Angle, Delaware’s Christine O’Donnell, Colorado’s Ken Buck, Kentucky’s Rand Paul, Alaska’s Joe Miller, and New York’s Carl Paladino—back this absolutist stand."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-20/the-palin-abortion-standard-makes-gop-inroads/

Voters need to know their intentions on when they vote on Judges both to the Supreme Court and lower level Federal judges.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 22, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"It's the latest chapter in Rand Paul's extreme makeover: From neo-isolationist to neocon in 60 seconds!"

You say that like it's a bad thing?

Posted by: sbj3 | September 22, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

mike, I'd been wondering where O'donnell was on that. interesting.

sbj -- no judgment here.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 22, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul has kissed no one's ring. Why do you go out of your way to be obnoxious?

And what do you mean 'Ron Paul's criticism of Israel?' Ron Paul isn't against Israel, and has been the only one to stand up for them, on occassion, when they have defended themselves. He just views foreign policy through AMERICA's interests, not those of another country.

Posted by: sailingaway1 | September 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Mike

Still haven't heard from you on what you would say to the families of the victims of the terrorist attack which Obama is risking with his weak Mid East policy.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Woodward's book portrays Obama and the White House as barraged by warnings about the threat of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil and confronted with the difficulty in preventing them. During an interview with Woodward in July, the president said, "We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever . . .


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Just so everyone is clear - the Pentagon was telling Obama numerous times that a weaker policy in the Middle East would RISK a terrorist attack on US Soil -


The Generals believe there is a trade-off - a weak policy risks a terrorist attack in a US city - a strong policy reduces the risk of such an attack.


Obama expressed a willingness - a DESIRE - to take that trade-off - in exchange for a WEAKER POLICY IN THE MIDDLE EAST, OBAMA WAS WILLING TO RISK A 9/11 SIZE ATTACK IN AN AMERICAN CITY.


This is a conscious decision by Obama.


Obama has no judgement - he is seriously flawed.


NO ONE can be sure WHAT is motivating Obama - Is Obama a muslim ???


Who know what would motivate a person to want such a thing.


Obama is NOT UP FOR THE JOB - IF HE CAN NOT GET THIS DECISION RIGHT, OBAMA SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.


OR BE IMPEACHED.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

STRF - The weakness is all in your mind.

Posted by: nisleib | September 22, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

OT:

This is a fascinating look at the density of innovation in metropolitan areas, measured by patents per square kilometer.

It should come as no surprise that innovation density is closely tied to "key regional economic outcomes" such as wages, incomes, and economic output.

It should also come as no surprise that the metro areas with the highest innovation density are the Liberal bastions:

LA, SF, NYC, Trenton, Bridgeport-Stamford, Connecticut, Greater Boston, Boulder, Ann Arbor, and New Haven

Also, "The density of innovation in these metros ranges from 25 to more than 100 times the national norm."

These areas do better because we believe in investment in, and the advancement of, science and technology.

* The Density of Innovation *

http://www.creativeclass.com/creative_class/2010/09/22/the-density-of-innovation/

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Shorter Goldfarb: How can we unprincipled neocon scorpions trust someone who will say anything to get what he wants?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 22, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Are you sure it was the neocons' ring that he kissed?

Posted by: wiccan | September 22, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing wrong with Obama being a muslim - he said himself that he thinks the muslim call to prayer was one of the most beautiful sounds on Earth.

However, saying that he is "willing" to "absorb" a terrorist attack - that is out of bounds.


That indicates such a flaw in character - a flaw in judgement - A FLAW IN REASONING ABILITY - that Obama should resign immediately.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"When Sarah Palin was plucked from obscurity two years ago to become the VP nominee, McCain’s senior policy aides did not know that she held this extreme position, "

How can this possibly be? I understand that he didn't spend much time vetting her, but I have a difficult time believing that they wouldn't find out exactly what her views are on such a defining issue.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Biased, ignorant "journalism" strikes again.

First of all, there is a profound difference between "non-interventionism" and "isolationism". The Pauls are NOT isolationists. They are non-interventionists, in the best tradition of our Nation's Founders.

Regarding Israel, Ron Paul has often voiced support for their right to self-defense. On the other hand, he does not believe that arming both Israel and their Arab neighbors is helping the cause of regional peace.

Posted by: rblauvelt | September 22, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

IIRC, the McCain campaign learned alot about her after the fact. Once he made is decision, he couldn't back down. Maybe they told her to keep it to herself?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | September 22, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"IIRC, the McCain campaign learned alot about her after the fact. Once he made is decision, he couldn't back down. Maybe they told her to keep it to herself?"

I'm just stunned. I always thought that one of the first or 2nd questions asked of a potential Republican VP is "Where do you stand on abortion?"....quickly followed by "What church do you attend?" and "How many pictures of Ronald Reagan are in you house?".

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 22, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

O/T: "Scientists discover the 'Homer Simpson' gene that makes mice more intelligent if it is switched off"

There's gotta be a joke about Reid or Angle in here somewhere...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1314323/Scientists-discover-Homer-Simpson-gene-makes-mice-clever-switched-off.html#ixzz10IERkpQH

Posted by: sbj3 | September 22, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Scientists discover the 'Homer Simpson' gene that makes mice more intelligent if it is switched off"

It must be stuck in the "on" position for Republicans.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Biased, ignorant "journalism" strikes again.
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Posted by: rblauvelt | September 22, 2010 4:32 PM |
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How about a lack of reading comprehension strikes again, rblauvelt?

Greg Sargent is reporting what Michael Goldfarb said. If you don't like it, your beef is with Goldfarb and the other neocons, not the reporter.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 22, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

this is absurd:
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Greg Sargent is reporting what Michael Goldfarb said. If you don't like it, your beef is with Goldfarb and the other neocons, not the reporter.
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Read Mr Sargent's words a bit more carefully. Typically he relies on liberal cant to spice up his entries. A perfect example from this one is the use of the phrase "Bush-era military adventurism"

That's just typical of the man. Leering cynical condescencion from the left is just about all we expect anymore. Sargent choses HIS words with a certain amount of care and that cynicism and gross micharacaterization of others shine through all the same.

Mr Sargent, how nice for you. You now have an apologist! What's next? groupies?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | September 22, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"skipsailing28 | September 22, 2010 5:15 PM"

Typical judgment of Liberals.

No substance.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

O/T (sort of)

O’Donnell continued to live in the Lincoln town house until the summer of 2009, paying rent to Vasher, she said.

Next-door neighbor Kathleen Benedetto, 51, said O’Donnell arrived at the house one day last summer and couldn’t get in. Benedetto said the locks had been changed. Neither O’Donnell nor Vasher would confirm why O’Donnell moved out.

“I told her she was a day late and a dollar short,” Benedetto said.

Benedetto said it was miserable living next door to O’Donnell for five years. She said Vasher gutted the home, removing piles of trash after taking possession.

Wilmington city records detail several complaints about the upkeep of the house while O’Donnell lived there.

In September 2008, she was ticketed for high grass and weeds, according to city records. The ticket was appealed and later paid. The ticket was a result of a complaint that the high grass was providing a breeding ground for opossums, according to Wilmington spokesman John Rago.

http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 22, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Opossums!

That's good enough for me - she's lost my vote.

Posted by: sbj3 | September 22, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

POSSUMS!

HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

lindalovejones 4:22 PM


I would put that intelligence failure squarely in front of Bill Clinton - who cut intelligence assets in the Middle East for years - AND ignored repeated task force recommendations to improve intelligence and defenses against terrorism.


Bush had TOO MUCH CLASS to blame Bill Clinton for anything.


Such WAS the tradition among Presidents and former Presidents - the blame game stops when the administration changes. Obama has displayed a complete lack of everything in blaming Bush for anything.


As to your comment about terrorist attacks

We have Fort Hood in Texas from last year.


The Detroit bomber last winter didnt go off


The Times Square bomb didn't go off


And a bome in Chicago last Saturday night did not go off yet.


To try to give Obama credit because terrorists get through - but the bombs do not go off - well that is highly questionable.


I would say you are wrong on all accounts - as you have been in the past.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Before he kissed their ring, did he clean the feces off of it?

Posted by: hellslittlestangel1 | September 22, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skipsailing28 | September 22, 2010 5:15 PM |
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1) The complaint I referenced transferred neocon opinions about Ron Paul and concerns about his son to the reporter. It had nothing to do with your gripes.

2) You don't like "Bush-era military adventurism"? Would you prefer "Like Hannibal leading his troops through the Alps, Bush attacked Iraq in a war that would pay for itself and forgot about Afghanistan for the remaining 7 years of his term". Whatever the label, it's still not shinola.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 22, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

OT - Here is an interesting Tea Party tidbit about nazis and the seperation of church and state:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/22/5157895-debunking-gop-candidates-link-between-church-and-state-and-hitler

Is there any nonsense tea partiers won't say?

Ethan - FYI, I found some video of STRF, JokeD2 and that kadafi dude (the guy who calls us quislings), it is below, enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs

Posted by: nisleib | September 22, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I can see all the democrats have been trying to ignore this all day


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Woodward's book portrays Obama and the White House as barraged by warnings about the threat of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil and confronted with the difficulty in preventing them. During an interview with Woodward in July, the president said, "We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever . . .


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The TWO NEW YORK SENATE SEATS are now in play.

I don't think anyone wants the mosque either - and they certainly don't want to increase the risk of another terrorist attack.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The funniest thing I've seen today:

"Bush had TOO MUCH CLASS to blame Bill Clinton for anything."

ROFLMAO! You. Are. So. Stupid.

Posted by: nisleib | September 22, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

If this is true it is a major insult to thinking people left and right. These neo-cons have dominated interventionism and colonialism since 1913. The war profiteers are afraid to talk about policy blowback. The neo-cons and likuids represented by AIPAC money and military industrial occupiers and profiteers have ruined both Israel and US standing in the world. Rand stick by your principled moral beliefs. Policy matters and blowback is real. America deserves the truth not propaganda from the media cartel. The FCC and the first amendment freedom of the press is abused by the major network media cartel. It is not liberal or conservative it's statism vs. libertarian.

Posted by: highwaytoserfdom1 | September 22, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

If this is true it is a major insult to thinking people left and right. These neo-cons have dominated interventionism and colonialism since 1913. The war profiteers are afraid to talk about policy blowback. The neo-cons and likuids represented by AIPAC money and military industrial occupiers and profiteers have ruined both Israel and US standing in the world. Rand stick by your principled moral beliefs. Policy matters and blowback is real. America deserves the truth not propaganda from the media cartel. The FCC and the first amendment freedom of the press is abused by the major network media cartel. It is not liberal or conservative it's statism vs. libertarian.

Posted by: highwaytoserfdom1 | September 22, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

This is the GO-BP agenda. Not helping America. It is two lists of Republican paranoid delusion that they will use to attempt to undermine the President of the United States and the government of the United States:

* The Investigation Agenda *

Former President Bill Clinton warned that House Republicans would launch "two years of unrelenting investigations" if they took control of the House. Today, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) has apparently tipped his party's hand in a new document.

Dave Weigel: "There are two lists: One of oversight totally neglected by Democrats, one of hearings requested by Republicans that never happened. The first list: federal agency performance management, federal emergency management, federal IT systems, federal financial management, the Presidential Records Act, ACORN, Countrywide, food safety, stimulus spending, the SEC, TARP, and "the independence of inspectors general.' The second list: Food Safety, Homeland Security, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Health care reform oversight, stimulus spending, the Minerals Management Service, and Climategate (which Issa's staff calls 'Politicization of Science')."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/09/22/the_investigation_agenda.html

The WITCHHUNT AGENDA.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

nslieb


You are aware that Presidents traditionally have not criticized former Presidents?


I don't think you know what class is.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

@ethan: Am I to understand, then, that you do not think that congressional oversight of federal agency performance management, federal emergency management, federal IT systems, federal financial management, the Presidential Records Act, food safety, stimulus spending, the SEC, and TARP is a good idea?

Posted by: sbj3 | September 22, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

@Benen:

Disgraced Republican lobbyist Ralph Reed insists he's "proud" of the work he did for Jack Abramoff.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ralph-reed-proud-his-work-jack-abramoff-it-was-outstanding-it-advanced-sound-public-policy

Chuck Grassley wants a return to the ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION... ummm one would hope that he meant without slavery and with women's and minority voting rights... But jeez, how ignorant do they come?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025796.php

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

STR, I scroll by 99% of what you write here, because it's a waste of space and time, but the claim that "both NY Senate seats are in play" is a great measure of your political judgment.

Gillibrand will win in a walk. Period.

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 22, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/happy_hour_roundup_93.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 22, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

SBJ, they already have oversight of those things, dimwit.

Issa thinks they don't.

Which, substantively, means absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

@ :Such WAS the tradition among Presidents and former Presidents - the blame game stops when the administration changes.

Reagan blamed Carter through 1984, that would be 4 years.

"Bush had TOO MUCH CLASS to blame Bill Clinton for anything."

What planet are you living on? Here on earth the Bushies are still blaming Clinton for all of their mistakes. 911 was Clinton's fault. Economic troubles in the Bush administration were routinely blamed on the Clinton administration. Energy price shocks, Clinton's fault for not drilling more.

Posted by: srw3 | September 22, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Right -- isolationism of the anti-war left, because everybody knows if you don't want to drop bombs on them then you don't want anything to do with them. Crazy.

Posted by: junket | September 22, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The neocons are dead and soon they will be no more. Long live the second American Revolution! Restore The constitution and stop meddling in the affairs of others and return to the good example of Freedom and Liberty that America was meant to be.

Not overthrowing foreign governments is not isolationism.

Posted by: dddienst | September 23, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Please understand that Dan Senor says that neocons are "aplopletic" over Rand Paul is that Dan Senor is Jewish, and filters everything thru his personal filter; it's like farmers being interested in nothing except government support for farming. Look it up.

Posted by: Fazsha | September 23, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Please understand that the reason Dan Senor says that neocons are "aplopletic" over Rand Paul is that Dan Senor is Jewish, and filters everything thru his personal filter of Jewishness; it's like farmers being interested in nothing except government support for farming. Look it up.

Posted by: Fazsha | September 23, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Greg:

Please post ONE EXAMPLE of Ron Paul's "criticism of Israel." Just one.

I bet you can't. You are a journo? What a joke.

Posted by: figyelo | September 25, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

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