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Sharron Angle's `chickens for checkups' moment?

Ever since video started circulating yesterday of Sharron Angle appearing to belittle mandated coverage of autism, Dems have been working hard to turn this into Angle's very own "chickens for checkups" moment.

It's unclear whether it will rise to that level. But this exchange captured by the Las Vegas Sun, in which Angle brushed off a questioner who asked her why she wants to curtail help to autism victims, suggests the story has the potential for real resonance:

As the forum ended and Angle turned to leave the stage, a woman approached her to ask why she wants to limit help for people with autism. The Reid campaign this week released video of Angle in which she appears to criticize a Nevada mandate that requires insurance companies to cover treatment for autism.

Angle ignored the question. Her handlers had warned that she would not be speaking with anyone after the event. They had to whisk her away to catch a flight to Reno for a morning fundraiser.

Angle looked past the woman, waved to the crowd one last time and walked away.

Dems are hoping that Angle's autism moment, which they are portraying as heartless and cruel, will take on the same kind of let-them-eat-cake aura and momentum that "chickens for checkups" ultimately did. Of course, Sue Lowden was the one gave "chickens for checkups" its legs by ham-handedly confirming that poultry barter for health care is a legitimate policy prescription. Angle and her campaign, for all their early missteps, have sharped up a good deal in recent weeks and won't do anything so inept.

Also: You just never know which incidents and gaffes will take on the kind of defining quality that "chickens for checkups" did. That some take on a life of their own and others sink like a rock is one of the mysteries of politics. This one doesn't seem quite on that level.

But the autism moment is, however, beginning to gain some traction: The Nevada media is on the story, and autism advocacy groups are now calling on Angle to apologize.

By Greg Sargent  | September 24, 2010; 4:00 PM ET
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THE ECONOMY


The public KNOWS perfectly well what happened.


George Bush was never smart enough to mess up the economy this bad - everyone in the country KNOWS he was off fighting two wars and he didn't do anything to the economy.


The American People know that BILL CLINTON IS TO BLAME FOR THE ECONOMY.


Derivatives were deregulated by Clinton - at exactly the time Hillary was thinking about running for Senator of New York. coincidence? I don't think so.


Clinton REPEALED the Glass Steagall Act - if you don't understand that, look it up.


Clinton's people were STACKED INTO FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC WITH LONG-TERM DEALS - it was the Clinton people who were in charge at FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC the whole time.


Obama Still will not fix Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - for unknown reasons.

MOST IMPORTANTLY - Bill Clinton SOLD OUT the country with the Free Trade Deals. Millions of jobs shipped overseas - the promise of high-paying jobs coming here broken.


Again - Clinton had charges of campaign contributions coming from Indonesia and China when these deals were being talked about.


THE DEMOCRATS DESTROYED THE ECONOMY.


The American Public knows that Bush is not responsible - could not possibly be responsible.


Obama loves to "blame Bush" but Obama never gives specifics - this short post has more specifics on Clinton than Obama ever gave about the blame Bush deserves over the economy.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Every time the nutbag loon "Right" Angle opens her mouth, it's a "koo-koo for Cocoa Puffs" moment. The woman is a raving lunatic (and with that bowl haircut looks like one too).

Posted by: Observer691 | September 24, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargant:

Oh, so now it's "unclear whether it will rise to that level" but just yesterday, you wrote:

"Angle mocks autism? I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing this."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/the_morning_plum_96.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 24, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It's what I've been saying... Republicans are heartless and cold. It's that simple.

Case in point, the Republican Tea Party Sharron Angle supporter who struck a Dem Reid supporter in the face at a campaign forum.

This autism thing is AGAIN way way across the line of normal common decency.

They want Americans to have jobs but they BLOCK A DEM BILL calling for an end to FEDERAL SUBSIDY of OUTSOURCING.

WHEN DOES IT END with these Republicans?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Nsleib

There used to be a protocol between Presidents and former Presidents


Former Presidents usually withheld comments about the policies of current Presients -


And current Presidents did not criticize former Presidents.


It was the protocol. There was a politeness - a tradition.

Obama has TRAMPLED on this tradition - trampled on this protocol - IT is extremely low-class and rude.

Pretty simple.


I gave the example of 9/11. You didn't hear Bush blaming Clinton for his Middle Eastern policies which led up to 9/11 - no that was not proper territory.


The intelligence failures - the pulling out of intelligence assets - the whole story of Clinton not taking Bin Laden into custody when he had the chance.


Bush never did that.

So don't twist my words around - everyone who knows what they are talking about understands this point clearly.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Poor STRF: Couldn't even go a single post before veering completely off topic.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 24, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010:

Self-defense is legal in Nevada.

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 24, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Jake, that's a fair point, and I'll respond.

I stand by what I wrote yesterday: It was not mockery of autism. But what she was saying policy terms is fair game, and that's what people are now attacking.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 24, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 at 4:09 PM


Harry Reid said the Iraqi war was lost


Harry Reid we should leave in defeat - the war was unwinnable.


George Bush chose the SURGE - WON THE WAR - PUSHED OUT AL QUEDA.

If we listened to Harry Reid, Iraq would be a TERRORIST BASE FOR AL QUEDA RIGHT NOW


Seriously Ethan - think about what you are saying


Are you that shallow?


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Joke,

Being an obnoxious ________ is legal in Connecticut.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Poor STRF: Couldn't even go a single post before veering completely off topic.

Posted by: Observer691

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I don't think he gets paid a lot for posting those things. But it's the only job he can get.

Posted by: James10 | September 24, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent:

She didn't SAY anything today re: said policy. You just keep reading these comments to see what Dems are attacking.

Ethan2010:

Could you at least TRY "officially" ignoring me, even for ONE DAY?

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 24, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

STRF wrote:

"Derivatives were deregulated by Clinton - at exactly the time Hillary was thinking about running for Senator of New York. coincidence? I don't think so.


Clinton REPEALED the Glass Steagall Act - if you don't understand that, look it up."

Why don't you call the legislation by it's proper name, The Gramm Leach Bliley Act (all Republicans)?

Why don't you mention that the derivative deregulation legialtion (and Enron legislation ) was the CFMA, WRITTEN by Phil Gramm?

Or you could even mention that former Senator Gramm's wife Wendy was in charge of the CFTC and orchestrated this?

See, I can use CAPS TOO!

Posted by: 54465446 | September 24, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010:

I will show you what IGNORING looks like now (pay close attention ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 24, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The finger quote thing wasn't the thing that really stood out in the video to me. The, "I don't expect to have more children, why should I support maternity leave," was.

How selfish and wrong is that?

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"Case in point, the Republican Tea Party Sharron Angle supporter who struck a Dem Reid supporter in the face at a campaign forum."

Meaning "defended himself against a bellowing Reid supporter who tried to push him down."

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 at 4:09 PM


Harry Reid said the Iraqi war was lost


Harry Reid we should leave in defeat - the war was unwinnable.


George Bush chose the SURGE - WON THE WAR - PUSHED OUT AL QUEDA.

If we listened to Harry Reid, Iraq would be a TERRORIST BASE FOR AL QUEDA RIGHT NOW


Seriously Ethan - think about what you are saying


Are you that shallow?


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Ethan

Everyone KNEW that Sharon Angle was NOT taking questions after that event.


Harry Reid - saying a WAR was lost - when it was winnable with the Surge


THAT IS COLD AND HEARTLESS TOWARD THE FAMILIES OF THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES IN IRAQ.


You really do not know "cold and heartless" until you have had that loss - and then LISTENED TO HARRY REID.

Is there any end to your PARTISAN BLINDNESS?

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

STRF:

Why don't you address me?

Son, do yourself a favor and go watch CNBC, Fox Financial Network, or Bloomberg for a month. Then maybe you can stop humiliating yourself by being a know-nothing when it comes to money.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 24, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

54465446 AT 4:21 PM


Bill Clinton caved into Wall Street interests - at exactly the time that Hillary was thinking about running for Senator of New York.


Clearly - Bill Clinton AGREED to all of these items


WITHOUT BILL CLINTON'S SUPPORT, NONE OF THESE THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN PASSED.


Bill Clinton sold you out


Bill Clinton sold the country out


This financial CRISIS is Bill Clinton's fault


Every economist in the country would agree


Bill Clinton is running around New York with his initiative.


What a joke.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

STRF says "I gave the example of 9/11. You didn't hear Bush blaming Clinton for his Middle Eastern policies which led up to 9/11"

Really? Maybe you should learn to use the Google before you go and type such things. Bush may have used cut outs most of the time, because he lacked the courage to make his claims personally, but they spent years blaming Clinton for 9/11 the Iraq war and everything else.

They, and you, are STILL blaming Clinton for everything.

Google "Bush blames Clinton". I'm sure you won't find more than 90,000 results.

Oh, and here is Bush from Aug 2005:

"They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy"

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Nice try, Greg - but this ain't gonna work either. The Angle campaign has a response and I would think you might include it as an update to your (incomplete) post:

"Sharron believes that anyone affected with autism deserves the best medical coverage and treatment."

Heartless! Cruel!

"... She speaks out against these expensive government mandates which falsely label other symptoms as autism because it creates this huge cottage industry that drives up health insurance cost while diluting the needed coverage for those patients affected by autism."

http://www.mynews4.com/story.php?id=28446&n=122

That being said the trend was certainly moving towards mandated coverage and probably rightly so.

But her campaign hits the nail on the head with this:

"... Nobody is buying Senator Reid's latest despicable attempt of trying to distract voters from his failed record."

Posted by: sbj3 | September 24, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Nisleib


Sudan offered to hand Bin Laden over to Clinton


Clinton said no.

Case closed.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, and here is Bush from Aug 2005:

"They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy""

I guess you should have said "Bush blamed Reagan and Clinton (and his own dad)."

Try harder, liberal trolls. Look, no President has ever been as whiny, blaming, petty, thin-skinned, and shirking of responsibility as Obama, nor as unpresidential in habitually mocking his opponents or predecessor.

In all this, he's a perfect embodiment of liberalism today.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

STRF - Case closed my arse. Bush and the Republican and now you blame EVERYTHING on Clinton, you've been doing so for a decade. I just proved it and your response is, "Well it is Clinton's fault!"

Which just proves my freakin' point you idjit! Good lord you're dense!

Do you take pride in being ill informed?

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

54465446:

At least SaveTheRainforest "address[ed]" you, happy now?

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 24, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Try harder, liberal trolls. Look, no President has ever been as whiny, blaming, petty, thin-skinned, and shirking of responsibility as BUSH, nor as unpresidential in habitually mocking his opponents or predecessor."

There, I fixed it for you.

And given that this is a liberal blog we aren't the trolls, you are.

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

They say voting Democratic is like "abused spouses who keep returning to their aggressors."


Great quote
_________________________________


Jake


I was actually typing the response when this 544655537398923744967 was sending his demand - the time is the same.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Nislieb


Bill Clinton sold you out


You are angry about the economy - blame Clinton and his policies.

If inflation started to develop as a result of Obama's overspending, I will blame Obama for that - because there is an economic linkage.

The Free Trade problems today - the jobs overseas - BLAME CLINTON


DERIVATIVES - BLAME CLINTON


REPEALING GLASS STEAGALL - BLAME CLINTON


Bill Clinton sold you out.


Bill Clinton sold out the whole country.

,.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

STRF - Go ahead, you just keep proving my point.

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget that Obama reported Jan Brewer and Arizona to the UN.


For treatment of illegal aliens which most countries would regard as gentle and kind.

Obama is a laughing stock of the UN.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

STRF,
The Gramm (R-Tex)-Leach (R-Iowa)-Bliley (R-VA) Act was tucked into an omnibus spending bill that Clinton had to sign to keep the lights on.

The banks had been lobbying for it for many years, and their Republican buddies came through for them.

Do some research yourself.

Posted by: Pamsm | September 24, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"There, I fixed it for you."

Brilliant. But without any factual support. Obama is what I described. It's why the public is growing to loathe the very sight (and sound) of him.

"And given that this is a liberal blog we aren't the trolls, you are."

Says you.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"who tried to push him down"

You mean the guy who was seated and stood up to strike the woman in the face after he wouldn't let her leave?

That guy?

Such a liar. That's Republican morals for ya.

QB, defending a man who struck a woman in the face, and then lying about it. That sums up QB, Joke, SRTF, TrollMcWing and rest of the GOP to a "T".

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

nisleib at 4:42 PM you write

"now you blame EVERYTHING on Clinton"

__________


I blame Clinton for what is Clinton's fault.

I blame Obama for what is Obama's fault - mostly hypocrisy and lying about his campaign platform.


I also blame Obama for wasting the stimulus dollars - 800 BILLION WORTH OF BLAME.


I also blame Obama for ignoring the economy for a year and half - while he jammed a far left-wing health plan down the throats of Americans who didn't want it - a plan that still has UNCERTAIN TRILLION DOLLAR COSTS.


The benefits coming in just this week will cost $460 BILLION IN HIGHER INSURANCE PREMIUMS


There is more to come with the health care bill


But add that to the $700 Billion Obama wants to raise our taxes -


AND THAT IS A $1.16 TRILLION OBAMA DRAG ON THE ECONOMY.

Yea, I blame Obama for that too.

Any other questions ???


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Why is this woman even running? She has no intention of helping anyone and if people are different from her or not up to her version of an American citizen, then forget it. she's not interested in working to make positive changes for you. Someone needs to explain to her that this is not a positon of royalty. If she wants to be queen, she needs to go to another country.

Posted by: valerie14 | September 24, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

QB - Actually my fix of your quote has far more support than your original quote.

As to this, "the public is growing to loathe the very sight (and sound) of him." That is factually inaccurate. Obama is still fairly popular. He is more popular than Bush was when he left office. He is about as popular as Reagan was at this point in his first term.

Finally, "And given that this is a liberal blog we aren't the trolls, you are. Says you"

Great rejoinder! That must have taken you weeks! But really, Greg Sargent is a liberal blogger. He always has been. I've been reading him since he was the editor of Election Central at TPM. TPM, in case you didn't know, is a LIBERAL website. So, "Says you," should read, "Says Greg Sargent's biography."

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess WaPo needed to get Senator Reid paid off with this pathetic story. 

Really, of all the things going on, trying to take a statement by Sue Lowden and put it in the mouth of Sharron Angle?  I would have loved to of heard Senator Reid's call:  "I'm begging you, take any random statement by Angle and call it chicken for checkups. I'm hemorrhaging independents! Yeah, this'll work.  You owe me!"

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | September 24, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Nisleib said "The finger quote thing wasn't the thing that really stood out in the video to me. The, 'I don't expect to have more children, why should I support maternity leave,' was."

Yeah, that part struck me, too. I have no kids, but have never resented that being part of the deal - nor having my real estate taxes pay for schools.

That should go over well with the working moms of Nevada - no strategy like p*ssing off a bloc of voters.

Posted by: Pamsm | September 24, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"You mean the guy who was seated and stood up to strike the woman in the face after he wouldn't let her leave?"

Shame on you. Everyone who's looked at the photos knows you are lying.

I don't care what you think of the justifiability of his response to being assaulted. I am just noting how you can't force yourself to be honest about the objective facts of what happened.

You are incapable of independent, rational thought.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

QB

The precise definition of troll is beyond their comprehension.


However, Ethan, nislieb, Mike from Arlington, schrodingerCat, observer - and several others certainly FIT the definition.


Clearly.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone saying that the stimulus was a waste is a hypocrte. If not for the stimulus we would have gone into a depression and Bush was the one in fact who began the bail our of the banks costing taxpayers billions! The wars, especially the one in Iraq which cost us in lives dollars is the real calamity. War, deficit spending, and tax cuts is what is to blame, and who was in charge when all that was going on?

Posted by: valerie14 | September 24, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

wow what a crock from pamsm. Clinton didn't have to sign that bill. But he did.

This is just liberals trying, in vain I might add, to deflect blame away from a liberal stalwart, the philanderer in chief.

further, no one has really proved that the revocation of glass steagle was the proximal cause of the financial collapse. Personally I view it a failure of the SEC and the rest of the regulatory apparatus that costs us a fortune, limits our freedom and fails when we need it the most.

Americans have taken a beating on the value of their single most important asset, their home. Most will never recover from it. In the meantime the disaster in housing is dragging the rest of the economy down. Banks got a bail out why we got the shaft.

Democrats will pay for this in November and all this crapola about Angle and O'Donnell is just a function of denial.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | September 24, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010:

"WHEN DOES IT END with these Republicans?"

In November. That's about as far ahead as they've thought it out.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 24, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Says you"

Hilarious.

"you can't force yourself to be honest ... You are incapable of independent, rational thought."

Hilarious.

You defend a 300lb man who struck a woman in the face and then lie about it.

Nice morals QB!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

QB


It is CLEAR from all media accounts that the Harry Reid people had pre-planned to be RUDE to Sharon Angle by creating a disturbance by walking out during her closing remarks.


The forum was NOT over


The Harry Reid people in the audience started fist fights - when they felt that walking out did not create ENOUGH OF A DISTURBANCE.

So the Harry Reid people have lost their minds - all they had to do was wait until the forum was over.


But they were intent on creating a disturbance.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Save the rainforest- pushed Al Qaeda out of Iraq, are you rewriting history to suit your needs? Al Qaeda wasn't even in Iraq until we invaded and opened that opportunity up for them. And for your information they're still there, as strong as ever. The bombings and killings continue, thanks to Bush's holy nonsensical war.

Posted by: valerie14 | September 24, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"Shame on you. Everyone who's looked at the photos knows you are lying."

No, he isn't lying. The guy blocked her way, when she got upset (for good reason) he then popped her one in the face. Here is the link, let people judge for themselves.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/photos/galleries/2010/sep/23/reid-angle-forum-fight/

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"That's about as far ahead as they've thought it out."

Ain't that the truth.

When the new Republicans suck worse than the old ones -- and the few remaining demographics that support the GOP give up on them -- it really WILL end for the GOP. That is, until, the corporations go ahead and buy them some new ignorants.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"TPM, in case you didn't know, is a LIBERAL website. So, "Says you," should read, "Says Greg Sargent's biography.""

No kidding? It doesn't change the fact that the bulk of commenters here post brainless liberal talking points for no apparent reason but to provoke or say something outrageous. Seems trollish to me.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

valerie14 | September 24, 2010 5:14 PM


I disagree - the vast majority of the stimulus was a complete waste.


Much of the money was spent - and got siphoned off to CHINA - and stimulated CHINESE FACTORIES.

Amazingly - the stimulus MAY have INCREASED OUR TRADE DEFICIT WITH CHINA - AND INCREASED OUR NATIONAL DEBT TO CHINA.

By the way, Valerie -


THE ECONOMISTS SAYS we were coming out of the recession in March- June 2009 -
BEFORE THE STIMULUS MONEY WENT INTO THE ECONOMY.


The economy started GROWING IN THE THIRD QUARTER 2009 - THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WITH OR WITHOUT THE STIMULUS.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Even if your assertion that, "the bulk of commenters here post brainless liberal talking points for no apparent reason but to provoke or say something outrageous," were true, which it most certainly isn't, how could we be trolls by posting liberal talking points on a liberal blog? We couldn't.

Now if we were posting liberal talking points on Redstate, then we would be trolls.

What STRF does every day is trolling. If she were to post the same exact comments on Mark Levin's blog (assuming he has one) then he wouldn't be a troll.

Are you cabable of seeing the difference?

I guess not.

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"No, he isn't lying. The guy blocked her way, when she got upset (for good reason) he then popped her one in the face."

Now you are lying too. I was the first one to post the link. I've examined them carefully and compared the news reports. If you had, you'd know what you just said is untrue in multiple respects.

"You defend a 300lb man who struck a woman in the face and then lie about it."

No, I pointed out the falsity of your accusations and posted the link to the photos that show what actually happened: a large woman (Reid supporter) provoking a confrontation and shoving down a fat old man.

It was all part of the well documented disruption effort of the Reid supporters. All laid out in the news reports and documented on the video.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, let's look at the news report, shall we?

* Brawl erupts between Reid, Angle supporters at forum *

"He punched me twice, so I punched him back twice," Kay Mehta said as she nursed a red, tearing eye and waited for police to arrive. "I was just defending myself."

No arrests were made. Police interviewed those involved for a report on the incident. The names of all of the participants were not released.

[...]

A Reid backer, Kelly Tanaka, said one male Angle supporter refused to let her pass in front of him.

She alleged he tried to push her over the seats in front of him when she tried to pass. That is when the Reid and Angle partisans began to tussle and then exchange blows.

Tanaka accused the Angle supporter of hitting her. Mehta said she then got involved. Some bystanders said one of the women shoved the man back into his seat when he tried to get up.

The fight escalated after Angle finished speaking and blew a kiss to supporters in the audience. She left quickly to catch a flight to Reno as the scuffle disrupted the auditorium.

"I was just trying to get him off her," said Mehta, a Reid supporter. "We were just trying to get by."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/fight-erupts-at-reid--angle-election-forum-103685344.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"Are you cabable of seeing the difference?

I guess not."

What is funny is that you actually bothered to go fetch someone's definition of a troll, and it doesn't support your own position.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"...the regulatory apparatus that costs us a fortune, limits our freedom and fails when we need it the most."

Anyone who doesn't find this statement funny has no sense of irony.

Posted by: Pamsm | September 24, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest aha 37th & O street, god you are boring and you never give up do you?

Did you think taking that screen name would trick us into thinking you were a liberal?

How many screen names is that now and why?

Posted by: JRM2 | September 24, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like an obnoxious obese redneck punched a woman in the face after refusing to let her out of the row.

Obviously this person is near and dear to QB's heart.

A man who strikes a woman is no man.

And a man who defends such a person is a disgusting pig, more frequently known as a Republican.

GOP, the party that values men who have such a lack of decency that they strike a woman in the face and then lie about it.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

nisleib


YOU are still a troll -

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Rainforest- I disagree, but the fact still remains that Bush's gross incompetence (spending, tax cutting, and unnecessary war) got us into a mess. We are coming out of it, but interesting that people like you see Obama's tough decisions differently. My job was saved because of the stimulus, and in turn, I am putting money into the economy. I lost my home, but I have my dignity and a way to get back on my feet thanks to a president who thinks of the average american and not just the rich white male.

Posted by: valerie14 | September 24, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

nislieb


YOU are like a duck saying:


"No, I am not a duck Quack, Quack, Quack."


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

QB - I've posted the photos. I'll let people decide for themselves.

This is a matter for a jury.

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

A No Diversity Pledge
A Political Wire reader spent time looking at the photos included in the GOP's Pledge to America:

"I counted 42 photos with people in them, and in only two are there African-Americans -- and they're tiny specks in a much larger group, barely visible. There are maybe two identifiable people of Asian descent and no one who might be considered Latino. Basically almost all whites in the Pledge, hundreds of them, with barely any noticeable minorities. Most telling is the large auditorium featured on page 12 -- a crowd of maybe 300 and only if you look hard toward the back do you see someone who might be African American."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/09/24/a_no_diversity_pledge.html

More of the GOP's "values" (ahem racist values) on parade.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Glass Steigal was written by my R Senator Phil Gramm and his R buddies who bragged to Clinton he had a veto proof Senate to override. SEC Chair bragged about derivatives he refused to regulate in '05
Only 37th aka STR and a handful of Rs believe Bush was not responsible for our current economy.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 24, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

JRM2 at 5:36 PM


I am pretty sure that no one thinks I'm a liberal.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

QB1,

In your defense you did originally denote her as a "rather unkempt woman".

Also, reports are conflicting as a bystander said that one of the "rather unkempt women" pushed him back in his seat when he tried to get up. That seems like a provacative act. Also, the picture spread showed that the man kept his eyes forward, trying (IMO) to not engage or further antagonize these two "women". Seems like somebody was spoiling for a fight. Further, the pictures do not show one of the "women" throwing two punches herself as reported by bystanders.

So, we have a jumble of eyewitness reports but Ethan2010. Knows. Exactly. What. Happened. And. Can. Make. Definitive. Statements. About. It. Oh. To. Be. That. Self. Rightous.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | September 24, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Chix & air quotes notwithstanding.

The cold fact that Ms. Angle is competitive in this race, and may very well win against a sitting Majority Leader, says all one needs to know about the people of Nevada's regard.

Avoiding the issues like they're typhus, WaPo stenography, union cash & outof statefootsoldiers may float the fellow, but his damaged political status at this juncture and the mortal wound to his legitimacy will linger.

Posted by: tao9 | September 24, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

valerie14 - You are arguing with a wingnut troll that is immune to persuasion unless it comes over Hate Radio.

QB - It certainly does fit my description. And I was right, you can't see the difference.

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

That was very convenient editing of the article, Ethan, leaving out for example that the altercation was precipitated by Reid supporters' attempting to disrupt Angle by leaving en masse while she was speaking, and shoving their way in front of Angle supporters.

The pictures tell the basic story, and of course it isn't what the two Reid women claim. For example, this statement simply isn't consistent with the photographic evidence:

"I was just trying to get him off her," said Mehta, a Reid supporter."

There is no point in the photo series where he is "on" her. To the contrary, she is "on" him.

You can fault him for defending himself or retaliating or whatever you want, but the photos make rather clear she committed an assault, and it was all started by the Reid supporters' deliberate effort to disrupt and obstruct.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I looked at the pictures and it looks to me like this guy slugged the woman in the face. And, I am not taking political sides. I'm not too sure which is the Reid vs Angle person.

My dad hit me when he was 89 and dying. It knocked me out. Men have a lot of upper body strength at any age.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 24, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Do not mess with the autism advocates.

Autism is chronic, it is lifelong, it is financially and emotionally devastating, and it forces families to dramatically change every aspect of lives. And not only is it becoming more common, it is random. Unlike many other diseases, it affects its fair share of well-off, connected, educated families--which means people with resources are on the case, and other people with resources know someone whose kid has autism and thinks "there but for the Grace of God go I."

This is not a constituency that any politician wants to mess with. They are passionate. They are well-resourced. They have an unbelievable amount deal of public sympathy.

Angle made a major, major mistake when she treated them like she treats the powerless.

Posted by: theorajones1 | September 24, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

valerie14 at 5:38 PM


If your job was saved, how did you lose your home ?


No economist will tell you that those items you cited (spending, tax cutting, and unnecessary war) CAUSED the economic crisis. Lots of Presidents have done things like this without this kind of crisis.


The crisis was caused by the derivatives markets - and the run-away mortgage market.


Bill Clinton appointees had long-term deals at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.


Bill Clinton DEREGULATED THE DERIVATIVES MARKETS AND AGREED TO THE REPEAL OF GLASS STEAGALL.

Clearly Bill Clinton is responsible FOR THE FREE TRADE DEALS AND ALL THE JOBS GOING TO CHINA AND INDONESIA AND MEXICO - AND WHERE-EVER ELSE - the jobs ARE not here.

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Thank you All


Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse


Ethan

Again your own evidence that you give works to prove the case against you


IN your link, phono #5 clearly shows that She the Reid supporter attacked the Angle supporter FIRST

She was also in his face first.

What is wrong with you ? How can you lie so easily?


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Yet another Palin Grifter Mama. President Palin can have an entire Grifter Mama cabinet. I suggest Grifter Mama Angle as Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Troll:

"So, we have a jumble of eyewitness reports but Ethan2010. Knows. Exactly. What. Happened. And. Can. Make. Definitive. Statements. About. It. Oh. To. Be. That. Self. Rightous.'

This. My point exactly.

I believe I called her a burly and unkempt woman, though. Snarky? Yes. A point to make? Yes. Ethan makes sound as though some burly "300 lb" man cold cocked a defenseless princess.

The pictures tell rather a different story, no doubt not covering anyone in glory, although more opposite Ethan's fantasy than consistent with it. But I have to say, I have a special place (not) in my heart for this special breed of loud, aggressive, violent liberal women who seem to have come to believe they can assault a man with impunity.

12bb said:

"I looked at the pictures and it looks to me like this guy slugged the woman in the face."

Of course he did. The question is what happened before that. For one, she was clearly shoving him down.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Well, it would be interesting to see this woman's face. And then, look at the man's face. Who's injured?

hm........anybody want to guess?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 24, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

12Bar

You must be blind


In photos 3 and 4, she is clearly in HIS face - he is sitting there trying to ignore the insane democrat.

Then in photo 5, she attacks him - you can clearly see her hand on him.

So, you are a liar - I don't know what possesses you to go to your computer and start off with lies.


Go show your girlfriend, OK?

Do you lie to her too ?


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

O/T (sort of)

You right wingers know that Steven Colbert is a "character" right? And you also know that he is making fun of you, right?

It seems Republicans are so desperate for someone to endorse the Pledge that they are now touting the fake support from a fictional character. Today, Comedy Central host Stephen Colbert testified — in character — before Congress on migrant labor issues. During the hearing, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) noted that Colbert supports giving lawmakers 72 hours to read bills before they’re voted on and extrapolated that Colbert must support the entire Pledge because that “idea” is within it.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/24/colbert-fake-endorsement-pledge/

That renowned car thief, Darrell Issa, later tweated Colbert's endorsement to his throng of trainees.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 24, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

loud, aggressive, violent liberal women
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And you know that from photos?

Come on. You don't know anything like that.

I kept my comments to what can be observed from the photos--not assumptions. Surely you can do likewise.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 24, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

12Bar'


I actually think you are the woman in the pictures


If not, you certainly look like her.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

STRF,

You must be running out of things to say. Wait, that's impossible.

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 24, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Rep. Issa was having a little fun as well?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | September 24, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/happy_hour_roundup_95.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 24, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"I kept my comments to what can be observed from the photos--not assumptions. Surely you can do likewise. "

I don't think it's an assumption. The guy is sitting there while she is yelling in his face and jabbing a finger at him. And she does make first contact. Seems to me clear proof she's being loud, aggresive, and violent. But maybe you don't consider shoving violent.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

STRG wrote:

"Bill Clinton caved into Wall Street interests - at exactly the time that Hillary was thinking about running for Senator of New York.


Clearly - Bill Clinton AGREED to all of these items


WITHOUT BILL CLINTON'S SUPPORT, NONE OF THESE THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN PASSED.


Bill Clinton sold you out


Bill Clinton sold the country out


This financial CRISIS is Bill Clinton's fault


Every economist in the country would agree"

See I saved you from posting the same thing over again. You don't know any economists, nor can you quote even one national level economist who would agree with you. You don't understand anything about what happened. You porbably never heard of Wendy Gramm or the CFTC. You don't know what Gramm did to be involved with Enron. You don't know what derivatives are, or how John Paulson made a billion on them. You can't quote anyone other than yourself but that is certainly good enough for you!

Posted by: 54465446 | September 24, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

A conservative opposed to insurance mandates! Dog bites man.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | September 24, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

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