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* The Tea Party-fication of the GOP continues apace? As I've noted here, the impact of the Tea Party on the GOP and the broader political landscape is only beginning to be felt, and now the new NBC/WSJ poll finds that an astonishing 71 percent of Republicans describe themselves as Tea Party supporters.

Key point: The Tea Party is a major force driving the "enthusiasm gap," with two-thirds of GOP voters saying they're intensely interested in the election, versus only half of Dems.

* Dem enthusiasm ticking up? But: The NBC/WSJ poll also finds the enthusiasm gap narrowing, with a gain in interest among African Americans and Latinos (but not young voters yet).

She didn't attend Claremont, either! Christine O'Donnell didn't attend a second school listed on her LinkedIn bio, Claremont Graduate University, a school spokesman tells Gary Scott and Christina Bellantoni.

* And: Ben Adler points out that O'Donnell's Oxford fib is especially ironic and amusing, because "conservatives and Republicans are famously suspicious of educational credentials and disdainful of cultural (as opposed to economic) elites."

* Understatement of the day: Carl Hulse notes that the GOP establishment's need to embrace, er, unorthodox candidates like O'Donnell and Sharron Angle is a "telling example of the volatility of the cycle."

* The White House-versus-left battle continues: Glenn Greenwald makes the case that the White House has every right to push back on lefty critics -- but he adds, and I agree, that pillorying or browbeating them isn't going to do jack to help Dem among base voters who are disaffected with Obama policies.

* And: Politico's Keach Hagey has a very good overview of the whole debate.

* Dueling memos: The DCCC and NRCC are locked in a war of dueling memos, releasing one after another purporting to show they are winning in key individual races. The DCCC's latest, showing Dems up in 10 key House races, is here.

Meanwhile, the NRCC has released its own batch of polling showing Dem incumbents in trouble in key battlegrounds in Florida, Maryland and Virginia.

* And Dems are on defense in bellwether state of Ohio: GOP candidates are aggressively challenging at least six House Dem incumbents -- and are leading in a Senate race by double digits -- in a state that's generally seen as the nation's leading battleground.

* And: The new NYT/CBS poll finds that in Ohio it's the same story as everywhere else: More blame Bush for the current state of the economy, and more disapprove of the GOP than of Obama or Dems -- but the GOP is leading among likely voters in the generic Congressional matchup.

* Catch of the day: Amanda Terkel: "Marco Rubio airs Spanish-language ad, despite promoting English-only policies."

* Corporate cash to flood our electoral process, too? It's not just the midterms: Karl Rove's outside group is looking to spend money influencing Congress, including pressing for the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. DISCLOSE Act, anyone?

* And the takedown of the day: Nevada journalist Jon Ralston catches Sharron Angle revising the history of her own words yet again, and asks:

I am beginning to wonder about this seemingly pathological habit Angle has of saying she never said something when it is on tape and so easily retrieved. Does she really not remember, or does she think this is a "Mission Impossible" world where all tapes self-destruct after five seconds?

What else is happening?


By Greg Sargent  | September 29, 2010; 8:35 AM ET
Categories:  2010 elections, House Dems, House GOPers, Morning Plum, Senate Dems, Senate Republicans, Tea Party  
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Comments

Greg,
Watching the Wisconsin rally totally brought back the '08 feeling back. It is a feeling of hope and exhilaration. It is a feeling that ANYTHING is possible. It is the counterweight to the anger of the teaparty.

We LOVE this "Candidate Obama", "Professor Obama" not so much.

"Candidate Obama" INSPIRES us to vote by tapping into our hopes and desires. "Professor Obama" SCOLDS us to vote which taps into our guilt.

The White House needs to drop the scolding and do more of the inspiring.

Posted by: maritza1 | September 29, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Greg,
Watching the Wisconsin rally totally brought back the '08 feeling back. It is a feeling of hope and exhilaration. It is a feeling that ANYTHING is possible. It is the counterweight to the anger of the teaparty.

We LOVE this "Candidate Obama", "Professor Obama" not so much.

"Candidate Obama" INSPIRES us to vote by tapping into our hopes and desires. "Professor Obama" SCOLDS us to vote which taps into our guilt.

The White House needs to drop the scolding and do more of the inspiring.

Posted by: maritza1 | September 29, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

As JakeD proved on the earlier O'Donnell post, she never said that she attended either Oxford or Claremont Graduate University. That won't stop Greg Sargent from lying about it still.

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 29, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

clawrence12 and JakeD don't get it--it's the implication. Even if she left herself wiggle room on her credentials claims, she's still a first-class BS artist. Please. If she was applying for a corporate job and HR verified her resume, she wouldn't get the job. Or she'd be fired if she was checked out later.

Posted by: KathleenHusseininMaine | September 29, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Listing colleges she didn't attend under the "Education" section of her resume isn't saying she attended those colleges?

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 29, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I visited Washington DC once. I was employed at the same time. From now on, under the employment section on my cv, I will list "White House" and "US Capitol".

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 29, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

clawrence12 - Are you high? The only thing Jake proved was that he was less honest about his educational background than Christine O'Donnell.

Posted by: nisleib | September 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

@clawrence: "That won't stop Greg Sargent from lying about it still"

Greg isn't lying. O'Donnell is/was. It's clearly misrepresentation. O'Donnell knew she was attending classes from Phoenix, not Oxford. There is no way she could have been confused about that. Apparently, it's okay to lie if your tricksy enough about it. Well, technically, I was in a building at Oxford at the time I was taking a class . . . that's just goofy. That's not attending Oxford, and she knows it, and so does anybody who stops and thinks about it.

I understand that conservatives and Republicans are frequently accused of lying when stating opinions or accurately relating their experiences or their policy goals, but when someone really is kind of full of it, just because they share the same political label as you--be it conservative or liberal--is not a good reason to defend misrepresentation that you'd almost certainly be willing to call out a liberal on.

However, if O'Donnell manages to beat Coons in Delaware (who, more relevantly to his candidacy, demonstrably lied about not raising taxes) it will suggest that almost anybody can win against bearded Marxists, so the Democrats should either try fielding more candidates without facial hair, or more candidates of the non-Marxist variety. /snark

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Greg:

"conservatives and Republicans are famously suspicious of educational credentials..."

They are? Really? And this "suspicion" is evidenced by.....?

Posted by: ScottC3 | September 29, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

New O'Donnell Commercial: "Yes, it's true. Christine O'Donnell fudged a few credits on her resume. Of course, Chris Coons lied about taking your money. He said he wasn't going to, and then, the minute he got the chance, he did. He raised your taxes. And he might as well have stuck his hand right into your wallet and pulled out the cash. The cash you were going to buy your children some Christmas presents with. So, Christine O'Donnell: really didn't attend Oxford. Chris Coons: wants to steal money from your children on Christmas. It's your call, Delaware."

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

KathleenHusseininMaine, I get it. You (and Greg Sargent) jumped to the wrong conclusions based on an implication. That's neither Christine O'Donnell's nor my fault. Now, others are even lying about JakeD.

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 29, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

maritza1 at 8:47 AM writes:

Watching the Wisconsin rally totally brought back the '08 feeling back.

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Yea, I had the same feeling - the feeling that the country was going to be in for a period of misguided policies.


I fear for the families of the victims of terrorist attacks yet to happen because Obama is soft on terrorism.


I wonder when the liberal spending spree will end - and what the damage to the economy will be.


I wonder what the COSTS of the health care plan will be - and how badly the economy will be distorted in the end.


MY '08 feeling is that I wish that EVERYONE COMING OUT OF AN OBAMA RALLET GETS THE BILL FOR HIS POLICIES - JUST HAND EVERYONE A SLIP WHICH SAYS


- 800 Billion dollars for stimulus

- 500 Billion that Obama took from Medicare, that now has to be replaced


- 460 Billion dollars in HIGHER health insurance premiums just this year.


- 700 Billion dollars in higher Taxes which Obama wants to drag the economy down


- 3 Trillion for health Care - distributed to the states and additional federal taxes.

Just give everyone a BILL, like they were leaving a restaurant.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

New Coons Commercial: "Christine O'Donnell claims she never lies or exaggerates. She claims that if she were in Germany in WWII and had Jewish people in her attic and Nazi's on her doorstep she wouldn't lie to the Nazi's; that would be bad. Yet she has NO problem lying about her education. O'Donnell: fine with lying for personal gain, against stopping genocide."

Posted by: nisleib | September 29, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"You (and Greg Sargent) jumped to the wrong conclusions based on an implication."

This is such a great loophole! I love it! Think of all the research I can now list on my CV under "Publications".....after all, I've read them and as long as I don't specifically say that I actually WROTE the article or participated in the research....it's not MY fault if people just jump to the wrong conclusions.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 29, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I got totally lost while driving around in New York while eating a Mars bar.

Does that make me a Mars Explorer from Manhattan?

Posted by: nisleib | September 29, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

KathleenHusseininMaine at 8:59 AM writes:


Please. If she was applying for a corporate job and HR verified her resume, she wouldn't get the job. Or she'd be fired if she was checked out later.

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That is not true at all - yesterday I called a friend who works at a recruiting firm and they have rules concerning resumes.


Christine O'Donnell followed the rules concerning resumes -


For instance, Christine O'Donnell did not list a DEGREE from Oxford - that is what is meant by "graduated" - you list a DEGREE.


Otherwise, it just means you attended the school in some form. I agree the issue about Phoenix can come up - however the course was held on the campus of Oxford - and who knows what was in the promotional materials which Christin O'Donnell signed up for. I would imagine the word "Oxford" and "England" were in large letters - and in the fine print it said which institution ran the course.


In addition, many universities are composed of various colleges and institutes - many of which are PART of that university -


There is nothing wrong with Christine O'Donnell's entries.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

@ScottC3: "They are? Really? And this "suspicion" is evidenced by.....?"

When well-accredited academicians discuss their hatred of America or western civilization and we don't agree with them, it's clearly because we are suspicious of their book-learnin', not because we disagree strenuously with their ultra-pampered, tenure-bred arrogance.

Also, when we don't acknowledge that human beings who--while putting their pants on a leg at a time, and having to go to the bathroom just like all the rest of us--are not Gods among Men due to the impressive number of dissertations on the oppressive patriarchal sexism of the English language that they managed to turn into multiple doctorate degrees, it's because of our deep suspicion of "book lernin" and education. Given that we are all, for the most part, risible hayseeds--except when were voting for theocratic extremists, and then us hillbilly folks are downright dangerous.

In my experience, it's just another one of those self-congratulatory myths that allows liberals to dismiss conservative criticism out of hand, while simultaneously patting themselves on the back and admiring themselves in the mirror. A neat trick, if you can do it.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

@STRF: "There is nothing wrong with Christine O'Donnell's entries."

Except for the part where she lied. Would you say Chris Coons was engaging in the "rules of politics" when he said he wasn't going to raise taxes, then did? So it technically wasn't a lie, because, you know, that's the "rules of politics".

That's like telling your wife it was just a bj, so it's not "technically" adultery. Don't you know the rules of adultery?

Well, I guess in the case of O'Donnell, it just depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

That's the thing, nisleib, she didn't lie about her education and what she said about stopping genocide is that God would give her a way to do so short of lying (just so that no one jumps to the wrong conclusion based on your proposed commercial). I realize that I won't convince you, but I'm just giving her side.

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 29, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis at 9:27 AM writes:

O'Donnell knew she was attending classes from Phoenix, not Oxford. There is no way she could have been confused about that.

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OH REALLY? Have YOU ever attended a study abroad or a summer program abroad ???


Do YOU know which institution ACTUALLY ran the course abroad ???


I am actually wondering which insitution ran the programs I attended - it was never on my resume - however if I were to write a resume line, I'm wondering which institution ran the program -


I would SURELY LIST THE LOCATION OF THE STUDY ABROAD PROGRAM.


That was the POINT - she had some study abroad.


Study abroad doesn't have to be one's entire junior year - it could be a summer program - it is extremely common. You take a course and jump a train and go around Europe.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Here in Cincinnati I have yet to see a SINGLE TV ad for Lee Fisher, the Dem Senatorial candidate. Plenty of Portman adds though. If Portman's adds didn't feature a picture of Fisher, I wouldn't know what he looks like. What should have been a solid pickup chance for Dem's against a Bush toady looks like a total route. Not good for the "enthusiasm" of the base here.

At least first timer Steve Driehaus is putting up a good effort over the Clinton impeachment manager, Steve Chabot, who he deposed in 08. Chabot is tieing Driehaus with Obama, but Driehaus in contering with Chabot's pitiful record while in Washington on spending and ignoring local concerns. He may pull it out.

Kasich has been running more adds then Strickland, but in Strickland's adds he comes across as tough. Kasich's ties to Lehman Bros is hindering him. Slight edge to Kasich at this point, but very tight.

Posted by: cintibud | September 29, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

@nisleib: That's a good one. "Christine O'Donnell: Thinks all the Jews should have immediately been turned over to the Nazis, because to not have sent them to their certain death in concentration camps would have been 'lying' and lying is bad. She should know. She attended Oxford University."

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

cmccauley60 | September 29, 2010 9:05 AM


If she took a course there, then she followed the resume rules.


IN order to accurately write that one graduated, ONE LISTS THE DEGREE NEXT TO THE NAME OF THE COLLEGE.


It is simple. The recruiting firm friend of mine said she did nothing wrong - and he interpreted the line as such.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Kevin:

"it's clearly because we are suspicious of their book-learnin' "

They're on to us!

Posted by: ScottC3 | September 29, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

The tea party people have little concrete, constructive ideas. They are merely bleating out the refrain "big government bad; small government good" without any rational, educated, and comprehensive thought or understanding behind this mantra.

You have within the tea party people who (a) want to dismantle social security and medicare, (b don't believe in science (i.e., evolution), and (c) lean to the extreme right and fundamentalist Christianity. This is not the thinking of the educated, thoughtful, and compassionate mainstream American -- this is the rabble ranting without reason, criticizing without a clue, and blindly following the propagandists while wearing blinkers.

Posted by: abbydelabbey | September 29, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis at 9:27 AM writes:

O'Donnell knew she was attending classes from Phoenix, not Oxford. There is no way she could have been confused about that.


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If I were looking at her resume item, I would interprete it as a study abroad course - based in Oxford.


The POINT of study abroad is to get exposure outside the country.


If Christine O'Donnell wrote "Pheonix" I would think she studied in Arizona - and the "study abroad" experience would not be shown.


There is nothing wrong with that resume item.

I would be more concerned with the Bearded Marxist - he has some educational situation on his hands now -


NOW we are going to investigate every summer program, every study abroad program - and see which institution ACTUALLY RAN THE COURSE - instead of which CAMPUS the course was held on ???


I'd like to see the brochure that the Phoeniz people put out.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"Well, I guess in the case of O'Donnell, it just depends on what the meaning of "is" is."

Kevin - That has been the amusing part of watching O'Donnell's defenders. They are engaging in Clintonian parsing, and they really aren't that good at it.

I was never a Clinton fan. I thought he was a lying womanizer pretty much from day one. Even so, watching Clinton behave like JakeD2 was painful! Now I'm enjoying watching the people whom I would guess were virulently anti-Clinton doing the same thing Clinton did. And the wheel keeps turning!

PS - The one thing I enjoyed about the Clintonian parsing was SNL's take on it. Remember the skit after the impeachment trial where it was Livingston, Newt and Clinton? Takeaway line, "Next time, bring kryptonite."

Posted by: nisleib | September 29, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Some real winners at politicalwire:

O'Donnell's Elitism

Ben Adler: "What makes this irony particularly rich and amusing is that, unlike actually going to Oxford or Princeton, lying about where you went to school really is elitist... pretending that you took courses at Princeton or Oxford when you did not, and you are many years past college-age, demonstrates that you think having done so is really a necessary credential."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/09/29/odonnells_elitism.html

Whitman's Housekeeper to Speak Out

Meg Whitman's former housekeeper is about to make "controversial and explosive allegations about her former employer," TMZ reports.

"We're told the housekeeper has lawyered up with none other than Gloria Allred. The housekeeper and Allred will hold a news conference today in Gloria's office at 11 AM PT, 'to tell how she suffered as a long-time, Latina household employee in Meg Whitman's home.'"

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/09/29/whitmans_housekeeper_to_speak_out.html

Melancon Plays Prostitution Card

Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-LA), consistently running behind Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) in their U.S. Senate race, unleashed a tough two-minute ad that attacks his rival's prostitution scandal in vivid detail.

The spot features a former prostitute who recalls her time with Vitter: "He went in, took a shower, spoke very little to me at first. He did his thing. He wasn't there 15, 20 minutes at that."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/09/29/melancon_plays_prostitution_card.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

@STRF: "Do YOU know which institution ACTUALLY ran the course abroad ???"

I've taken courses from Phoenix. If you're smart enough to register for the course, then there is no confusion who is conducting the class. She would have know it was the University of Phoenix.

If I were to list said classes on my resume, I'd say University of Phoenix, not "The Koger Center", which is the name of the office park that Phoenix occupies.

"For instance, Christine O'Donnell did not list a DEGREE from Oxford - that is what is meant by graduated - you list a DEGREE."

Nobody is accusing Christine O'Donnell of saying she graduated from Oxford when she didn't. They are accusing her of saying she attended Oxford when she knew full well that she was taking a class from another learning institution (one not nearly as respectable, although one that, arguably, offers more useful classes in many cases) in the building at Oxford. There is a clear and unambiguous difference.

She clearly has an Al Gore-like compulsion to fudge and pad the truth to make herself look better. And yes, I like her smile, but once she claimed that her life was the basis for the movie "Love Story", that was it for me. /snark

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: quoting Adler: "What makes this irony particularly rich and amusing is that, unlike actually going to Oxford or Princeton, lying about where you went to school really is elitist... pretending that you took courses at Princeton or Oxford when you did not, and you are many years past college-age, demonstrates that you think having done so is really a necessary credential"

I was going to say this (but I got distracted). The point being, there's nothing wrong with attending the University of Phoenix. Acting like there is--which is sort of what picking the Oxford location over the course, and she could have just as easily have said "Attended the University of Phoenix at Oxford", is--is at least taking the elitist position, or acting like you have to curry favor with "elitists". Personally, I have a lot more respect for a votech degree. But then, I'm not an elitist. :)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis at 10:10 AM


I think the "Pheonix Institute" is different from the "University of Pheonix"


The resumes was NOT misleading to professionals in the field - that is the reading I get.


The resume ACCURATELY indicated that it was a "study abroad" program - and that is just about all anyone cares about.


I personally do not know which institution was running the summer program I attended - but does it really matter? It was on a campus in a foreign nation.


NEXT ISSUE - it appears that Chris Coons was more of a Marxist than we knew.

If Mike Castle runs a write-in, then Christine O'Donnell just might win.

She will be a good Senator - these Congressmen - you would be surprised what is in their backgrounds - they are not all lilly white.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Fascinating look at the success of de-centralized distributed renewable energy in small rural towns. This one in Italy.

* Ancient Italian Town Has Wind at Its Back *

Faced with sky-high electricity rates, small communities across a country known more for garbage than environmental citizenship are finding economic salvation in making renewable energy. More than 800 Italian communities now make more energy than they use because of the recent addition of renewable energy plants, according to a survey this year by the Italian environmental group Legambiente.

Renewable energy has been such a boon for Tocco that it makes money from electricity production and has no local taxes or fees for services like garbage removal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/science/earth/29fossil.html

Really makes you wonder just exactly why conservatives still oppose sustainability -- and that goes double for conservatives in rural America who typically stand to benefit the most from sustainability and renewable energy.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Wow. The amount of denial re: O'Donnell amongst the Tea Party/Know-nothings on this board is hilarious. I can't figure out if y'all are as mentally challenged as she is and don't know it, or you realize she is the candidate whether like it or not and are duty-bound to defend this shyster with a third-rate education.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | September 29, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Patty Murray is going to lose - every state which has been a battleground in the past will not even be close this year.


The polling model in Washington State is not correct.


I think the democrats will hold California -


Even in West Virginia the Republican might win.


Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

The pundits seemed surprised that Obama got a crowd at a college campus in liberal Madison Wisconsin.


That is ridiculous. Of course Obama is going to get a crowd on a liberal campus.

How silly is this going to get. The cheerleading from the democrats has to have a credibility test -

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

* Republican governor candidates deny climate change *

We at Grist have been writing about the throngs of GOP candidates this year who deny climate science and oppose efforts to address global warming, including many House hopefuls and nearly all Republicans running for Senate. Now we've got the goods on gubernatorial candidates, many of whom are just as skeptical.


http://www.grist.org/article/2010-09-27-republican-governor-candidates-deny-climate-change/

Details at the link...

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Is the Phoenix Institute affiliated with the University of Phoenix?

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 29, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what is more pathetic: O'Donnell's lies or the attempts to defend her by the likes of Joke, STRF, and clawrence (I actually thought clawrence's first post was a good attempt at humor, then realized he was serious).

But the winner today has got to be STRF.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 29, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Whews! Just finished my first model spaceship.

Lemme add Rocket Scientist to my resume rly quick...brb.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington - Just curious, I played Call of Duty: World at War the other day, does that qualify me for the GI Bill and health care at the VA?

'Cause that would be swell!

Posted by: nisleib | September 29, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

And re conservative suspicion of elite or foreign schools.

It comes up every general election. The class warfare. So and so attended an elite college, etc. Palin brought it up quite often so I'm surprised you Kevin, being Palin's #1 fan doesn't remember her trying to tear east coast elite colleges and cities.

Also, conservatives seem to also be suspicious of schools in general, calling them all liberal bastions of whatever. It's brought up quite often.

I realize playing dumb is more fun though. It's politics.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Chuck, arguably Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan had third-rate educations too.

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 29, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Here's an easy way to tell if O'Donnell attended any classes at Oxford: See if Oxford has any record of her attending.

They don't, because she didn't.

Colleges and universities rent out their facilities all the time. Only a moron/pathological liar would claim to be attending the school that rented out the facility.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 29, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

All, new Adam Serwer post up:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/the_ongoing_palinzation_of_the.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 29, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Is the Phoenix Institute affiliated with the University of Phoenix?

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 29, 2010 10:40 AM


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I'm guessing the answer is no.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

clawrence12 is comparing Christine "mice have fully functional human brains/evolution is a myth" O'Donnell to Abraham Lincoln.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Chuck, arguably Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan had third-rate educations too.

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 29, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse"

But they didn't lie about them. O'Donnell must be embarassed about her education to fudge her resume in such a laughable manner.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 29, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 10:31 AM


Do you have any idea how much it will COST to create the wind energy you are talking about ????


You are talking electricity rates 7 - 8 TIMES today's electricity rates.

Please look up T. Boone Picken's wind project in Texas - and see if it was economically feasible.


YOU keep on talking, but you are ingoring the fact that the American People do not want their electricity to go up by 7 Times.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

@Kevin Call me an elitist for sure...I do believe there is a wide disparity in Educational Institutions and the quality of the students they produce. Just as I feel safer in my Volvo than I would in a Yugo.

For those who are aware even the colleges within the same University can vary in quality. The University of Cincinnati has several excellent Colleges within, including a world class performance College..the College Conservatory of Music.
When I attended UC as a Broadcast Journalism major we had 200 applications for 30 spots. It was part of that world class College Conservatory of Music. It featured a difficult and demanding curriculum. The Liberal Arts College at U.C. was not nearly as prestigious (elitist ;-) ). They continually lobbied to steal the Broadcasting Dept from CCM so that they could accept a far greater % of those 200 applicants and make more MONEY for the school. Fortunately the Dept won out and we remained in the higher quality CCM.

On the other hand there is the Broadcast Journalism degree one could obtain from East Tennessee State University. When I was a Sports Director in the Tri Cities of Tenn..a place you know...I had an intern who had graduated from ETSU with a Broadcast Journalism Degree! The same degree as Sister Sarah achieved from whatever 5 schools she attended. Now for the sake of time I'm going to construct a sentence for you that this poor young man might literally say...he made all of these errors. He might say of a guy looking at a window..
"He don't know no better than to look out them windows" I swear that I am NOT exaggerating. I would frequently catch him in these errors and say, "You'll never get on the air until your learn to speak proper English. Perhaps that is why Sister Sarah was a bust as a sportscaster. He would always reply...you sound like my mom she always nags me about grammar.
At any rate IMHO ETSU is guilty of malpractice..or malfeasance...how can a University possibly award a degree in a COMMUNICATIONS major without at least making sure that graduate is qualified to speak ENGLISH?

I do not imply all ETSU grads are illiterate. I have some wonderfully intelligent and successful friends who are grads. I would however suggest that their success is in spite of the AWFUL product ETSU offers. I would also bet that if you placed UC Broadcast grads against ETSU grads there would be a SIGNIFICANT difference in the mastery each group demonstrated on many subjects...including if you are in communications..the important subject of English.
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1.( often used with a plural verb ) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.

Why would our nation not look for the "choice" or "best" of education in our candidates. It's not the end all or be all but it should certainly not be considered a pejorative as Sister Sarah and some posters here suggest.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 29, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Observer, neither did Christine O'Donnell lie about her education.

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 29, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

@ruk: "@Kevin Call me an elitist for sure...I do believe there is a wide disparity in Educational Institutions and the quality of the students they produce."

Oh, I could probably agree with that, I just think that often the quality of actual education is sometimes inverse to the reputation and augustness of the esteemed institution of higher learning. But, I speculate at a distance, never having had the honor of being a Skull & Bones man myself.

But I think a traditional votech curriculum gets short shrift in certain circles, when there's nothing morally superior in deconstruction post-modernist literature or what have you in comparison to be able to being able to fix air conditioners. In fact, myself, I've frequently had the need for professional in air conditioning and refrigeration--in literary deconstruction, not so much. ;)

Most of that is snark, btw, I recognize the esteemed alma maters of the Ivy League offer degrees in subjects other than advanced navel-gazing.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

@mikefromArlington: "It comes up every general election. The class warfare. So and so attended an elite college"

As I recall, Bush went to both Yale and Harvard. What was his campaigns take on the Ivy League? I forget.

"Palin brought it up quite often so I'm surprised you Kevin, being Palin's #1 fan"

I am the #1 fan of 1980s Flash Gordon, the original Tron, Thomas Dolby, and very high up in the fan rankings when it comes to some other thing, but I don't think I'd rate nearly as high in the Palin fan club. I like the lady, it's true, but she's got much bigger fans than I. For me, quitting the governorship and her current preoccupation with king-making don't particularly appeal to me, and there are plenty of folks who think it's just awesome, so they'd beat me in the #1 fan category.

"doesn't remember her trying to tear east coast elite colleges and cities."

Well, I'm sure the pampered and tenured elite of the east coast are more than up to the task of defending themselves, if not repairing their own cars or air conditioners, as such menial tasks are best left for the rabble. /snark

"Also, conservatives seem to also be suspicious of schools in general"

Which would be because . . . why? They're stupid? So they're jealous of all those smart liberals? Well, just makes sense when you think about it.

"calling them all liberal bastions of whatever. It's brought up quite often."

When talking about the very large segment of academia that is pervasively, if not oppressively, under the thumb up Political Correctness, and dominated by the extreme left of academia, it does, for some reason. Don't hear much about that when talking about Hillsdale or George Mason.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

clawrence: Nice try, but your Clintonian defense fails miserably.

Christine O'Donnell has NO connection to Oxford. Her resume implies otherwise.

Of course you don't see a problem with that, because you have your head completely up her rear end, like the good teabagger that you are.

Out here in the real world, people have lost their jobs for less egregious resume offenses.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 29, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

@Kevin "But I think a traditional votech curriculum gets short shrift in certain circles,"

Agreed. And also agree that is a problem for our country right now. As you suggest we do need competent plumbers, electricians, etc. And they don't really need to be able to explain the difference between communism and socialism or supply side versus Keynsian. My brother in law a retired educator here in Pinellas County would love to hear you saying that. He is apoplectic about how many kids take college prep courses...try and attend college..all without the talent required for success..while at the same time..as you correctly suggest...Votech schools are demeaned. That is a societal problem. Perhaps we don't value labor as much as intellectual prowess. The top 25 Hedgefund managers each earned ONE BILLION dollars for pushing paper around and coming up with glorified ponzi schemes. Wonder how many plumbers it would take to earn ONE BILLION dollars. I think we've sent a clear message to any young person about what our society values.

We are probably in agreement. Again I have the same degree as Sister Sarah and so one could say I'm slamming myself. I don't suggest that being a Broadcast Journalism major disqualifies one from becoming a successful elected official.
I would suggest however that comparing my degree with that of say Obama's who actually studied law, edited the Harvard Law Review would result in a lopsided advantage for Obama...at least in terms of qualifying one of us to be a legislator.
After all one of the prime functions of legislators is to write laws. Wouldn't it be nice if they had studied law?

On the other hand I'd like to see Obama try to stand in the infield of Daytona Intl Speedway and basically ad lib the results of the the first of two 125 mile races, voicing over to the video, all the while the second race is roaring around you and you have a director yelling instructions and time cues in your earpiece. In that situation I'd feel very comfortable competing against Obama...as well as Sister Sarah and anybody who graduated from ETSU's Broadcast Journalism Dept. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 29, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

@clawrence: "Is the Phoenix Institute affiliated with the University of Phoenix?"

Whoops. No. They are not. I had read the Phoenix Institute as University of Phoenix. Because I am familiar with the last one.

My bad. She attended a seminar held by the Phoenix Institute. Not the University of Phoenix, which is at least an accredited educational institution. So, she's trying to say going to a seminar--like Tony Robbins, only not as famous, is the same as studying at Oxford.

By that logic, I've studied Business Processes at the airport Holiday Inn.

That's not how you include seminars in your resume.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

@ruk: "The top 25 Hedgefund managers each earned ONE BILLION dollars for pushing paper around and coming up with glorified ponzi schemes."

And don't get me started on what some folks get paid for throwing a ball around, or for putting on make-up and play-acting on the film shows. :)

"After all one of the prime functions of legislators is to write laws. Wouldn't it be nice if they had studied law?"

I may be in the minority here, but I disagree. I liked Jefferson's idea of the citizen legislator. He believed that the congress and the senate should be something akin to jury duty, something you did for 2 or 4 years or so, taking a break from farming or being a haberdasher, and then returning after you were done. My problem with lawyers writing all the laws is that, when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I think our country would benefit from a greater variety in the background of our legislators. I'd as soon as see a Ruk in congress as an Obama.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

@Kevin BTW In the interest of fairness...

As someone who has given plenty of speeches and spent countless hours on the air in radio and television...I give Sister Sarah high marks indeed for the ability to DELIVER a speech. I find her voice and her accent particularly annoying and so she hasn't been blessed with the greatest physical gifts...perhaps offset for the men in the audience by her beauty. However there is no doubt she does have great poise under pressure and just like Obama does an admirable job of reading teleprompter. Some people demean that skill because they've never tried to do it themselves. Not only do you have to be an excellent sight reader, a talent not everybody possesses, you then have to develop the skill set so that you don't get "prompter stare". In other words so it doesn't "look like" you are reading but instead are simply speaking. Again I give Sister Sarah excellent marks there. She reads a prompter just as well as Obama.

And so Kevin...perhaps we should cut and paste this post and save it...because we may have to go several more years before you see me post something so positive about Sister Sarah!!! :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 29, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

@Kevin...". I think our country would benefit from a greater variety in the background of our legislators."

I was all set to agree with you my Memphis friend until you had to go and ruin it...

"I'd as soon as see a Ruk in congress as an Obama."

Not only do I not possess his skill sets...remember I was a rock and roll jock for the first ten years of my broadcast career. In other words..I DID inhale and I DID have sex with that woman! :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 29, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest and clawrence12:

Thank you for holding down the fort while I'm gone (but there's no use trying to reason with O'Donnell-haters ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 29, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

As JakeD proved on the earlier O'Donnell post, she never said that she attended either Oxford or Claremont Graduate University. That won't stop Greg Sargent from lying about it still.

Posted by: clawrence12

Don't tell me there are actually TWO different people who insist on defending O'Donnell's absurd lies? HAH!

Posted by: Rachelva | September 29, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Oh good, now we get to hear Joke defend O'Donnell's latest misstatement. Go for it, Joke!

Posted by: Observer691 | September 29, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

@ruk: "I find her voice and her accent particularly annoying and so she hasn't been blessed with the greatest physical gifts..."

To each their own. I love the accent.

"In other words..I DID inhale and I DID have sex with that woman!"

Which makes you, frankly, more representative of most of the American people than those that didn't. And it's called "the house of representatives", right?

Ruk for Congress!

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"I think our country would benefit from a greater variety in the background of our legislators."

I am okay with that on principle.

But they have to be smart, informed, and committed to the public good otherwise citizen legislators could really do a disservice to the governance of the country.

To suggest that you wouldn't approve of Obama just because he is a lawyer, for example, is taking this idea to the extreme. He should not be discounted just because he has legal training when he has SO MUCH MORE to offer. Yet, again, on principle I could very easily support citizen candidates over the average legal eagle.

The key to me is that the person is dedicated public service. Without that, you really have NO business being in government at all.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"Ruk for Congress!"

SECOND!

:-)

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan & Kevin....Thanks for the nomination guys but I'm here to say...LMAO!!!!

Actually Ethan I do believe in your sentence..."The key to me is that the person is dedicated public service. Without that, you really have NO business being in government at all."

I am well aware of my limitations but I do serve on my city's Planning Commission. We joke that when the annual meeting comes up those who are absent get railroaded into being the Chair or Vice Chair.

Fortunately since I'm here you two can't railroad me. However since my town does have a population about half the size of Alaska's...and I have been Chairman of our commission....perhaps I could start at the top as a VP nominee. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 29, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Shockingly, I don't disagree with much of ruk's 11:38 post on Sarah. Mark it down!

I don't find her voice or accent annoying, but I don't think they are great, either. On the other hand, I think it is harder for women to have good public speaking voices. Call me sexist, but it's true. A female politician with a pleasant and effective voice is much rarer than a male. It just is.

I actually find Obama's voice and accent more annoying than Sarah's, though. He has a good voice when he uses it properly, but he often doesn't and sounds nasally, whiny, or too clipped, and he has those verbal tics that Rush's voice guy exaggerates with good effect. Worst accent of any recent pres imo.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 29, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"The key to me is that the person is dedicated public service. Without that, you really have NO business being in government at all."

The trouble is that we know what you mean by that -- dedication to big government.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 29, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

@qb: "The trouble is that we know what you mean by that -- dedication to big government."

Well, yes, but folks in government can be dedicated to public service, as in serving the public, as well. In fact I think most are. It's just, that to a hammer, everything is a nail. When serving the public, the best way to serve the public is with more government. Thus, the impetus is to always increase the size of government.

Re: presidential voices. No president has done it for me since Reagan. Sigh.

That being said, I love Sarah's voice. I can't think of a conservative chick whose voice I prefer. I prefer Sarah's speaking voice to Ann Coulters or Laura Ingrahams or Tammy Bruces, no doubt. S.E. Cupp is all right. I think we'll be hearing more from her, over the years.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: "To suggest that you wouldn't approve of Obama just because he is a lawyer, for example, is taking this idea to the extreme."

Well, it's a good thing I didn't suggest that.

But, in a contest between former pot-inhaling, women-scoring rock-and-roll DJ with standing-out-in-the-middle-of-the-Daytona-500-or-whatever-it-was experience. If he can present evidence of more than one ménage à trois, he'd definitely win my vote over Obama. Any guy who can repeatedly score with two-or-more women at the same time should be able to whip the economy into shape and solve middle-east peace, no problem. ;)

Ruk for Congress!

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Well Q.B. an historic day. I compliment Sister Sarah and you agree with one of my posts...all in one day. Miracles.
Although if I have to pick a conservative chick with beauty and a good voice I go with Christine O'Donnell. She is terminally cute in both her looks and mannerisms as well as her voice. I'd never vote for her...but she is the hottie of all the women in politics right now...left or right. But really Ingraham and Coulter...they almost look like transvestites or drag queens. As much as I disagree with her politically I'd give Michele Bachmann credit for being a lot hotter than those two or Sister Sarah. Michelle may be squirrelly but she is very attractive. In fact...right now if you take O'Donnell and Bachmann your side LOOKS better than our side. :-)

Back to where we disgree. I find the the Big Gov't small gov't meme is just a canard. I'm sure there are some progressives who enjoy big government just as there are some conservatives. Remember Gov't grew wildly under Bush II. And for all their braying the tper's never really get down to specifics on how to shrink gov't. Couldn't we ALL agree on making a really herculean effort for EFFICIENT gov't.

One of the things Obama initiated that he doesn't speak enough about is his order to review all the government agencies from top to bottom and try to find some inefficiencies to eliminate some of the COST of Gov't.

See that's what's wrong with today's political debate. There are many progressives who are just as concerned about making government more efficient, just as there are conservatives..my personal fave as I've mentioned..Dr. Ron Paul who wish to address our bloated defense spending and the incredible waste of the MIC.

The sad part...the reason IMHO..we all talk past each other is because of the rampant over generalizations by BOTH sides.
All progressives are not simply for bigger gov't. Personally I could easily see how to shrink Gov't...but I'm sure we'd disagree on the how...same thing with the deficit..we all want to eliminate it but can't agree on how...increased taxes...gov't spending cuts. Again IMHO it probably will require a combo of the two...but our defense budget right now is certainly bloated and we could save billions there.

If we hate Muslims and are at war with Islam why are we going to shell out trillons for THEIR infrastructure. How about ours FIRST?

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 29, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin

If this wasn't a family blog...OMG would I irritate our arbiter of everything moral JakeD...if I started sharing stories about menage a trois and other adventures of rock and roll disc jockeys...if not I could share some entertaining stories...at least they entertained me at the time. :-)

Plus now that you've blown my cover Kevin our excellent women posters are going to view me as a misogynist. For all that fun though I can say the singular most arousing part of a woman for me is her brain. Yes looks, voice, personality are all nice...but I've always been an absolute sucker for a woman with brains...which is why even though Christine O'Donnell is so very very cute...if given the choice I'd rather spend the evening with Hilary or I can confess that like many ladies I find power to also be a great aphrodisiac which is why I like Nancy Pelosi. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 29, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

@Ruk: re, Big Government.

You will never catch me saying that the Republicans or the GOP do anything to reduce the size of government. While the Obama administration will arguably oversee the greatest increase in the size of government in history, he's unusual in that respect. The last Democrat to oversee such a large increase in the size of government was LBJ. After him, it was Nixon and Dubya who oversaw the greatest expansions of government. And, even with the Republicans had ever branch of government, the government did nothing but grow and grow and grow.

The Republicans are not going to be the stewards of smaller government.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 29, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

If we do not get rid of these Unconstitutional following politicians, who are under the power of the Global Corporate Elite, I am inspired to tell you that this will be the end of any type of quality life for everyday Americans, dad and mom the children - son and daughter, sister and brother along with the family dog!

As it has been previously said the agenda of the Global Elite, toward American middle class citizens or any countries citizens for that matter, is so evil that the average human being cannot concieve it!

Don't hesitate to the point, whereby you are going to experience it - but put forth your effort in some way to help end the Globalist agenda! All of us doing a little will go a long way toward ending the tyranny that the Global Elite are presently performing against you and your family!

TRAINED TO RULE. THE CFR
'The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence into an all powerful, One World Government.'
- Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy
The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) conspiracy has infiltrated all elements of American society. It's agents are in the school system, media, and government. The CFR began in 1921 and has been working ever since at destroying the minds, morals, and liberty of the American people.
In order to rise to the office of President today, a person must be picked by the elite banking cabal. He (or she) must be approved and trained by a CFR 'adviser'. Once proven that this person will do the bidding of the elite, that person is propped up as the next savior (president). This person is nothing but a puppet, not a 'leader of the People'.

Who the heck was Obama before being taken under the wing of the CFR? How do you think Bill Clinton became president?

'The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American Branch of a society which originated in England... (and)...believes national boundaries should be obliterated and One-World rule established.'
- Carroll Quigley, member of Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), mentor to Bill Clinton
TRAINED TO RULE. DOES YOUR VOTE COUNT AT ALL?
Planning to vote for one of these people? Great. just understand that they're all members of the CFR, which is telling them to work toward weakening your freedom in the name of a New World Order. Your vote really means zippo (unless you vote for someone other than a Republican or Democrat).

Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Jim Gilmore
Newt Gingrich
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

Make sure the candidates and incumbents, you vote for in November this year and in 2012, do not belong to any of the Global Elitist Organizations: Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Club of Rome, Skull and Bones.
http://www.truth-it.net/trained_to_rule.html

Posted by: PaulRevere4 | September 30, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

KathleenHusseininMaine, I apologize for the delay in responding. Apparently, LinkedIn has taken her bio down because she did not even write it. Would you care to revise and extend your remarks?

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 30, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

PaulRevere4, neither Christine O'Donnell nor Sarah Palin are in CFR.

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 30, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

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