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* Obama to celebrate health reform's six month anniversary: President Obama is set to do a slew of events today celebrating the six month anniversary of the passage of health reform. How long until anonymous skittish Dems run to the media to grouse that talking about health reform at all is going to destroy their hopes in the midterms?

The Obama events today include the unveiling of a new Web site designed to educate voters on the law and a visit by Obama to a private home in Virginia, where he will meet with a chronically ill individual and discuss the law's benefits.

* The GOP response: No funding for you: Republicans are gearing up for a major battle to block funding for health care and Wall Street reform.

* Mystery of the day: In the wake of the DADT repeal vote, who left the message "All f-ggots must die" on top gay blogger Joe. My. God.'s Web site? The sender appears to have a Senate I.P. address.

And it turns out the office of Senator Saxby Chambliss is investigating whether it was one of his staffers.

* Woodward blitz begins: Obama battled military advisers as he looked for way out of Afghan war: Bob Woodward's highly anticipated new book reports that the President repeatedly pressed top advisers for an exit plan, and when they didn't give him one, he came up with his own -- a short term escalation with getting out as the primary goal.

* Book a net win for the president? The book portrays Obama's national security team as roiled by infighting, but Mike Allen points out that it also portrays Obama as "thoughtful, decisive, seeking advice, and knowing what he knows and what he doesn't."

* Coming controversy of the day: Prediction: This quote from Obama, in an interview with Woodward, will generate a lot of noise:

"We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever .. we absorbed it and we are stronger."

* Very much worth watching: An interesting discussion between Fred Hiatt and Lawrence Lessig about the pending Fair Elections Now Act, a radical new effort to restore confidence in government, where members of Congress can opt into a system where they accept only small-dollar donations in exchange for government matching funds.

* Ominous development in Pennsylvania for Dems: A new Quinnipiac poll finds that Pat Toomey has now hit the 50 percent mark, leading Joe Sestak by seven points, 50-43.

Key number: A majority, 52 percent, want the next Senator from Pennsylvania to oppose Obama's policies.

* Senate map cause for panic among Dems? Chris Bowers says that despite very bad polling news out of the West Virginia and Wisconsin Senate races, overall Dems still have a very good shot at holding the Senate with 52 seats.

* Chamber of Commerce won't get their way this fall, despite all those millions? Tom Donohue, the president of the U.S. Chamber, which has vowed to spend $75 million on the midterms, has privately predicted Dems will hang on to the House.

* Preemptive strike of the day: White House comm director Dan Pfeiffer drops a bomb on the House GOP's new agenda a day before it's been released, asking in advance whether Republicans will do anything to limit the outsourcing of jobs.

Key takeaway: As we saw when the White House and Dems released a blizzard of statements attacking John Boehner's recent economic speech, Dems are determined to deny House Republicans any kind of clean rollout in advance of the midterms.

* Dems slipping in the suburbs? The battle for control of Congress may come down to whether Democrats can hang on to the now-disenchanged outer ring suburban voters who propelled them to power in 2006 and 2008,

* Hey Dems, how's that vote on the middle class tax cuts coming? Dana Milbank marvels at the fact that "Democrats are unable to rally themselves around tax cuts for millions of Americans."

We should know how Dems intend to proceed within a few days. But hey, what's the rush? After all, time is on Dems' side here, right?

* And Christine O'Donnell calls in the legal cavalry: Ruh roh. O'Donnell's campaign has enlisted a lawyer who is now threatening legal action against Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics for alleging that she misused election funds by putting them to private use.

Also: CNN reports that O'Donnell aides are frustrated that the allegations are getting so much media attention. No wonder she's swearing off any more interviews with the national media!

What else is going on?

By Greg Sargent  | September 22, 2010; 8:28 AM ET
Categories:  2010 elections, Foreign policy and national security, Health reform, House Dems, House GOPers, Morning Plum, Political media, Senate Dems, Senate Republicans  
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O'Donnell was just on Hannity. Also Rachel Maddow blew some serious holes in all the excuses Republicans and two bigoted Democrats including Blanche Lincoln gave for voting against cloture yesterday. Might be worth linking. One major thing I bet a lot of people didnt realize is it wouldnt have repealed DADT but instead gave the military the authority to do so when they signed off on it presumably after the report comes out in December.

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | September 22, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

O'Donnell was just on Hannity. Also Rachel Maddow blew some serious holes in all the excuses Republicans and two bigoted Democrats including Blanche Lincoln gave for voting against cloture yesterday. Might be worth linking. One major thing I bet a lot of people didnt realize is it wouldnt have repealed DADT but instead gave the military the authority to do so when they signed off on it presumably after the report comes out in December.

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | September 22, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

hey sg, where you been?

and I'll def look up the Maddow seg.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 22, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS TO RESIGN OVER THIS ONE


IN Bob Woodward's book, Obama is quoted as saying "We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever . . . we absorbed it and we are stronger."

So, the person in charge of DEFENSE, wants to LEAVE THE NATION UNDEFENDED ???


All this - is apparently a part of a DECISION ON THE PART OF OBAMA to leave Afghanistan - in DIRECT VIOLATION of Obama's campaign pledges.

I for one am getting sick of saying that Obama said one thing in 2008 - only to see Obama TURN AROUND AND DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE. That is bad faith - I have never seen a bigger deception in my life.

Obama is WEAK ON NATIONAL SECURITY - and this book proves that OBAMA HAS BEEN DOING THIS ON PURPOSE. Obama would rather have innocent Americans DIE ON THE STREETS OF AMERICA THAN FIGHT IN AFGHANISTAN.


This is a betrayal of the American People.


Obama should be IMPEACHED IMMEDIATELY IF HE WILL NOT RESIGN.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Overall, the Woodward's book is a net plus for Obama because it does make him look like a decisive leader.

Posted by: maritza1 | September 22, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

"We'll do everything we can to prevent it,"

"So, the person in charge of DEFENSE, wants to LEAVE THE NATION UNDEFENDED ???"

Do you even read your own posts?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 22, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

@Greg

Congrats, you called the hypocritical bullsh*t outrage of the day and it came true in your own comments thread!

*sigh*

It must be nice to be a right-wing troll and have nothing better to do with your time than wander around message boards spitting vitriol all day.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | September 22, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

The New York City Police Department released a report a few months ago stating that if the Times Square bomb had gone off last April, more than 3,000 people would have been killed - more than the 9/11 attacks.

Last weekend - Saturday night - a terrorist attempted to place a bomb in Chicago on a crowded street in Wrigleyville after a Dave Mattews concert got out - while 40,000 people were departing the area.

OBAMA IS NOT TAKING TERRORISM SERIOUSLY.

Obama wants to "ABSORB" another terrorist attack ?


Just so he can leave Afghanistan in disarray - directly CONTRARY to Obama's promises to the nation ???

This IS A BETRAYAL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

OBAMA IS GUILTY OF TREASON.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

@Greg

"Book a net win for the president?"

This might be true as it pertains to those that actually read the book, but I think we both know that a large majority of the public will only know the aspects of the book as it's reported on media sites.

And we both know that coverage is most likely going to focus on the infighting.

Your professional colleagues are mostly f*cking terrible, dude.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | September 22, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

@TheBBQChickenMadness:

Greg didn't "call it." The quote -- truncated, of course, to exclude the part about doing everything to prevent it and the part about our nation's resilience -- is getting the Drudge red letter treatment.

Drudge's minions will undoubtedly push a distorted meme based on the truncated quote.

Greg, had enough sense to know that that's their typical modus operandi.

Posted by: associate20 | September 22, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

@TheBBQChickenMadness:

Greg didn't "call it." The quote -- truncated, of course, to exclude the part about doing everything to prevent it and the part about our nation's resilience -- is getting the Drudge red letter treatment.

Drudge's minions will undoubtedly push a distorted meme based on the truncated quote.

Greg had enough sense to know that that's their typical modus operandi.

Posted by: associate20 | September 22, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Greg, the PPP WV poll should be taken with large dose of salt. It has Manchin's job approval at 59%, which the PPP release says is very high but doesn't mention that Rasmussen poll previous day showing Manchin with 7% lead had approval at 69%. Also had electorate with 68% over age of 46, likely on high side. Ain't saying that Dems shouldn't be concerned there, but let's wait for another result before jumping. PPP release also notes need for caution in interpreting the results.

Also in WI, where Feingold SHOULD be concerned, PPP poll with 11% Johnson lead had Feingold with job app at 40/53. This is lowest approval and by far highest disapproval Feingold has ever had. PPP may be on to something but would also like to know how their likely voter screen is applied.

Posted by: BillB10 | September 22, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

schrodingerscat 8:57 AM


NO, Staying in Afghanistan is "everything" we can do to prevent it.


Obama is WEAK ON NATIONAL SECURITY.

If Obama said in 2008 that he was planning on leaving Afghanistan, Obama would NEVER have been elected.

THIS WAS A BOLD-FACED LIE BY OBAMA.


The country CAN NOT TRUST OBAMA.


Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Since you won't hear this part of the story in the media:


"Town Hall Questioner: Obama 'Right Man for the Job'"

"Velma Hart, who now-famously told President Obama at Monday's Town Hall that she was “deeply disappointed” with his attempts to revive the US economy, said on CNBC Tuesday that Obama is the “right man for the job.

I’m a firm believer that when you’re the head honcho, you have to be held accountable and that incorporates some hard questions,” said Hart, who is a veteran, an Obama supporter and the CFO of the veterans group AMVETS."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39291163/

Posted by: associate20 | September 22, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Since you won't hear this part of the story in the media:


"Town Hall Questioner: Obama 'Right Man for the Job'"

"Velma Hart, who now-famously told President Obama at Monday's Town Hall that she was “deeply disappointed” with his attempts to revive the US economy, said on CNBC Tuesday that Obama is the “right man for the job.

I’m a firm believer that when you’re the head honcho, you have to be held accountable and that incorporates some hard questions,” said Hart, who is a veteran, an Obama supporter and the CFO of the veterans group AMVETS.

...

"Hart said the Post headline is a false depiction of how she feels about Obama’s presidency. She added that she would vote for Obama again.

“I knew I was there [on the front page], but I didn’t realize I was there with that horrible word,” she added. “I have not felt betrayed.”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39291163/

Posted by: associate20 | September 22, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"We'll do everything we can to prevent it,"

"So, the person in charge of DEFENSE, wants to LEAVE THE NATION UNDEFENDED ???"

Do you even read your own posts?

Posted by: schrodingerscat |
--------------------------

@schrodingerscat:

It's great that you pointed out the flaws in that commenter's post.

But you shouldn't feed the trolls.

Ignore them.

They're here only to incite and have no interest in reasonable conversation.

Posted by: associate20 | September 22, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Bob Woodward just proves what many of us have suspected all along: The Obama Administration is a ruckus group
of advisers that regard each other as a misfit for the job! And meetings that were held in order to make policy were often ended up in a cacophony of views, boasting egos, and spilling out unsavory epithets against each other! It sounds to me like the the inner-circle council of the Roman emperors, and our empire is probably going to have the same fate in Afghanistan.

Then we learn that Afghan president Hamid Karzai is "bi-polar!" Well, squeezed by "two poles," the U.S. on the one side, and the Taliban on the other, would certainly make one "bipolar!" After all, it is not easy to
become an American strongman like Ferdinald Markos, Anastasio Somoza, Napoleon Duarte, Papa Doc Duvallie, or
Mobutu Sese Seko in the "Graveyard of Empires." And having a group of "water bugs" -according to General Jones description of Obama's Chicago inner advisers, designing the future of Afghanistan - a country they don't understand- will certainly be enough to make Karzai a schizophrenic!

Now we also learn that the Generals pushed Obama for a larger surge and more war. Is that a surprise? Most generals become consultants of procurement and acquisition for the Military and Industrial complex after they retire, and they make hundreds of thousands of dollars helping to grease the war industry - in addition to their hundreds of thousands dollars military pensions. More war, therefore, means buttering the bread of the industry that feeds the military, and securing a part-time job in it afterward that doubles their pensions. Dwight Eisenhower predicted it on his speech to the U.S. Congress in 1956, and his prediction that
the "political leadership will be outranked by the barons of the war industry and the generals" is now on place. They pushed down the throat of Obama a 30.000 troops surge in Afghanistan, but the situation still keeps getting worse, and many U.S. allies there -Spain, Netherlands, and Great Britain- have seen the futility
of the Afghan war, and they are planning to, or are getting out!

Obama has certainly made a big mistake to keep the Afghan war going until he could find a "face-saving"
U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan that will not damage his 2012 re-election bid. Now Afghanistan has become a quagmire; the persistent high unemployment has become his "2nd" quagmire; the polls on his job performance are down to "borderline incompetent," and he has been in a "depressive mood" lately. And his "spin doctor" David Axelrod is probably at loss of what to prescribe next!

The Bob Woodward account on the White house travails, therefore, seems to explain how a high-flying neophyte president who was totally clueless on foreign policy has kept the country lagging into an uncertain future -both internally and externally. And that may, in the end, be his undoing on 2012. Nikos Retsos, retired professor

Posted by: Nikos_Retsos | September 22, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

The truth of the matter is Obama PROMISED the nation during the debates that he would fight Afghanistan.


Obama got into office and then acted to do the EXACT OPPOSITE.


AND OBAMA DID THIS IN SECRET.

Obama can not be trusted - it is a BETRAYAL.

Don't complain to me - complain to the families of the next victims of the terrorists.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a NATIONAL DISGRACE

Obama should RESIGN IMMEDIATELY OVER THIS - AND IF HE WILL NOT, OBAMA SHOULD BE IMPEACHED IMMEDIATELY - WITHOUT DELAY.

"We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever . . . we absorbed it and we are stronger."

_________________________________

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, if Obama's going to be impeached, it will definitely be without DeLay, because he's been disgraced for what, 4 years now? Though he's BEEN a disgrace for far longer.

Posted by: JennOfArk | September 22, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

This Should Help Him In The Southwestern States.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-1-in-5-americans-believe-obama-is-a-cactus,18127/

"Poll: 1 In 5 Americans Believe Obama Is A Cactus


WASHINGTON—According to a poll released Tuesday, nearly 20 percent of U.S. citizens now believe Barack Obama is a cactus, the most Americans to identify the president as a water- retaining desert plant since he took office.

A growing segment of the population believes the president is pollinated by moths and hummingbirds.

The poll, conducted by the Pew Research Center, found a sharp rise in the number of Americans who say they firmly believe Obama was either born a cactus, became a cactus during his youth, or has questionable links to the Cactaceae family.

"We asked people of varying races, ages, and backgrounds the same question: 'What is President Barack Obama?'" Pew spokeswoman Jodi Miller told reporters. "And a fifth of them responded, 'A cactus"'

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Some Troubling Internals From That Cactus Poll:

It may not be such good news for President Obama, after all.

"According to the poll, Obama has lost favor among many voters who supported his candidacy in 2008 but have since come to doubt he is a mammal. While these Americans concede Obama may not specifically be a cactus, most believe he is a plant of some kind, with 18 percent saying the president is a ficus, 37 percent believing him to be a grain such as wheat or millet, and 12 percent convinced he is an old-growth forest in Northern California.

When asked why they agreed with the statement "President Obama is a large succulent plant composed of specialized cells designed for water retention in arid climates," many responded that they "just know," claiming the president only acts like a human being for political purposes and is truly a cactus at heart."

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama simply does not understand national security.

What in Obama's background gives him ANY qualifications to draw up military plans?


Obama basically IMPOSED his own military plans on the Pentagon - IN DIRECTION CONTRADICTION OBAMA'S COMMITMENTS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Obama is RISKING another terrorist attack.

Obama should RESIGN IMMEDIATELY - AND HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.


These quotes are beyond anything which can be justified to defend America.

Calling ALL BLUE DOGS - WILL YOU VOTE TO IMPEACH OBAMA?

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

@Nikos Don't know if you're new here or not but I haven't seen you post before.

If you are....welcome. You make some very valid points. The only part I would take issue with is laying it all at the feet of Obama and his advisors. EVERY Administration since WWII has made the mistakes(in the larger sense) you have enumerated. Even Ike himself who as you point out was prescient enough to accurately predict the future made the mistake of the Bay of Pigs. Yes it was on Kennedy's watch and so he deserves the discredit for letting it happen...but it was actually hatched by Ike's Administration and left for Kennedy to execute.

But my point is not to place blame on ANY Administration but rather on ALL Administrations and most accurately on ALL OF US. If you read Andrew Bacevich's recently released "American Rules" America' path to permanent war..you'll see WHY what you have described is true.

As the cartoon character Pogo once accurately described.."We have met the enemy and it is us!" This is not a problem peculiar to the Obama administration...or the Bush administration...it's not R or D or I...although give the libertarians some credit here..Dr. Ron Paul is certainly against all this interventionism...but the entire width and breadth of our society...the largest pillars of our society are now resting on obsolete inaccurate views.

Some of these views are motivated by fear, some by profit, some are simply glacier like...one of the hardest thing to do as a human is CHANGE.

No thinking person can show that Iraq or Afghanistan have made us a scintilla safer.
A reasonable person could conclude that being attacked by 19....19...does everybody get that number...19 criminal co conspirators does not constitute a MILITARY assault on our nation. We truly have gone after the mosquitos with sledgehammers and in the process have been destroying our own nation...for what...read Bacevich...institutional and cultural delusion!!!

Again for those keeping score...
Osama Bin Laden's goals with 9/11

1.) Create a tremendous PR win. CHECK

2.) Provoke the U.S. into invading a
sovereign Middle East Arab
nation. CHECK

3.) Provoke the U.S. into engaging in
expensive military adventures that
would wreck our economy. CHECK

Score...OBL 3 U.S. 0

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

A Cactus should know better than to think that it could thrive in Afghanistan. George W. Bush knew full well that place is Shrub country,


""You can't go a day without hearing how Obama's a radical cactus sympathizer who wants to sap America of all its drinking water, or how he was actually born in the Kalahari Desert," said media critic Lynn Pelmont, referring to cable news outlets that suggest the president has prickly spines he uses to protect himself from thirsty animals. "For a man who prides himself on delivering a coherent message, there's an awful lot of confusion out there about whether he's a Harvard Law graduate or a leafless flowering shrub."

"He must speak frankly to the American people about his mammalian background," Pelmont added. "If not, it's only a matter of time before people start believing those fringe bloggers who claim the president of the United States is actually an old washing machine."

Some Beltway observers have accused Republicans of tacitly encouraging the cactus rumor, pointing out that if millions of voters believe Obama produces buds through spirally arranged areoles situated along his stem, the GOP has a much better chance of retaking Congress in November.

"If the president says he is a human being, I'll take him at his word," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Sunday on Meet the Press. "Though I've never heard him complain about being thirsty. Not once. That could be a coincidence, I suppose, but it's really not my place to say."

During a Wednesday morning briefing, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs once again denied that President Obama is a cactus, citing numerous physiological attributes of the nation's chief executive, including his ability to walk upright and to manipulate objects with his opposable thumbs.

"Cacti don't talk," said Gibbs, shaking his head. "They just don't."

President Barack Hussein Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu, HI to parents Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, Sr. From the ages of 6 to 10 he lived with his mother and stepfather in Indonesia, where he attended Besuki Public School and St. Francis of Assisi Catholic School. In 1971, Obama returned to Hawaii, where he was raised primarily by his grandmother until he left home to attend Occidental College in Los Angeles.

"I don't care what he says or what his people say or what anybody else says," 48-year-old Kansas resident Jake Nolan told reporters. "The guy's a cactus, plain and simple. I mean, Christ, look at him.""

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

This is the quote from Obama - HOW OBAMA WANTS TO PROTECT INNOCENT AMERICANS FROM TERRORISM ON AMERICA'S STREETS:


"We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever . . . we absorbed it and we are stronger."


_________________________________


Well Obama political advisors - YOU don't think New York is in play now?


TWO SENATE SEATS ARE NOW AT RISK.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

This is the quote from Obama - HOW OBAMA WANTS TO PROTECT INNOCENT AMERICANS FROM TERRORISM ON AMERICA'S STREETS:


"We can absorb a terrorist attack. We'll do everything we can to prevent it, but even a 9/11, even the biggest attack ever . . . we absorbed it and we are stronger."


_________________________________


Well Obama political advisors - YOU don't think New York is in play now?


TWO SENATE SEATS ARE NOW AT RISK.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Like everyone..on BOTH sides of the spectrum I am frequently irritated by a poster who fills the blog with utter partisan nonsense.
A person who doesn't even enjoy reading comprehension skills.

I've come to view this poor unfortunate soul as the little six year old who wants to play basketball with the big kids...and keeps interfering with the game. Aggravating..YES
But a person to be pitied not scorned.
And so once again I take a deep breath.....

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 22, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Shrub did a wonderful job of defeating The Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.


That is why it is so hard to understand, why President Obama decided to invade the place, and to then turn his back on the place, to go off and get bogged down in Iraq, for a couple of decades, at least.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

@nikos: " The Obama Administration is a ruckus group"

A ruckus group? Sounds fun. What's a ruckus group?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Amazing - Obama seemed to take the attitude with the Generals at the Pentagon: DEMANDING THAT THEY AGREE WITH HIS STRATEGY.


So, even if they didn't agree, Obama started to demand that they said they agreed with him.

Obama simply does not understand what he is doing.


After this, Obama went on to diss the People of Massachusetts -

And then Obama unleashed his crew to level False Charges of Racism against the American People.


It really is amazing.

Obama is OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY -


It appears that Obama is trying to force the people around him to conform with his twisted views of how the world is.


And they say, the world is not like that - and Obama forces people to AGREE WITH HIM - AGAINST REALITY.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse


@nikos: " The Obama Administration is a ruckus group"

A ruckus group? Sounds fun. What's a ruckus group?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 22, 2010 9:48 AM

..................

I don't know why the "retired professor" would find that so objectionable. After all, candidate Obama said that he wanted to surround himself with people who would not be afraid to voice different opinions, and that he wanted to avoid becoming trapped in a bubble, where people would only tell him, what they thought he wanted to hear.

Sounds like this "retired professor" is a big fan of "yes men".

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

It seems the manic depressant forgot his meds again. Random caps ftl.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 22, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Show some pity for the poor sick soul.

He can't help himself. Like I have pointed out before; STRF suffers from the worst case of Typerette Syndrome, that I have ever come across.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"The book portrays Obama's national security team as roiled by infighting,"

I'd much rather have that than an echo chamber that decides to invades other countries on faulty intelligence.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 22, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"Fixed Intelligence", according to the Brits.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Greg really should ban (yes I said it) STRF. The guy (bot) is a cancer on the comments section.

Posted by: nisleib | September 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Liam, you'll enjoy this.

Here is what I imagine happens to STRF on a daily basis. :)

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?s=c76f1a3eddf697866eb1052650bb3723&attachmentid=55242&stc=1&d=1142920093

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 22, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"It's A Slam Dunk, Mr. President"

Thank you George Tenet, for telling me what I wanted to hear, and for not raising a ruckus. Here is your Medal Of Freedom, for having done a heck of a job, Tenny.

George W. Bush

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

It is not the role of the President to decide that innocent civilians are going to DIE ON THE STREETS OF AMERICA.


Just so Obama's untra-liberal pacifist ideas can proven to NOT WORK.

Right now - Obama has decided that a number of innocent Americans - on the streets of American cities - are EXPENDABLE.


This is just like a big corporation - deciding in advance - how much they are going to RISK people's lives with faulty safety equipment.

OBAMA IS NEEDLESSLY RISKING AMERICAN LIVES -


OBAMA IS NEEDLESSLY RISKING ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK.

There was a bomb in Times Square last April - which could have killed more that 3,000 people according to a NYC PD report.

LAST WEEKEND, a terrorist tried to place a bomb on the street in Chicago - which could have killed thousands of people leaving a concert.

OBAMA MUST RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.


Calling all BLUE DOGS - WILL YOU VOTE TO IMPEACH OBAMA IMMEDIATELY ???

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Aggravating..YES
But a person to be pitied not scorned."

Sorry, I have to disagree with this. It's part of the strategy, wear us down and chase reasonable people away. Some of you may have noticed we're missing a rather large number of posters. Most people feel they can make better use of their time than scrolling through nonsense which is exactly the point. Scorn would be an appropriate response except that he is immune obviously. We have to continue to steer the dialogue toward valuable debate and discussion.

It's rather ironic that digby has a post up this morning regarding this very same thing.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"And that brings me to the exhaustion part of her statement yesterday. Those of you who went through the 90s will recognize this phenomenon. It's when the right's ferocious attacks are so vicious and relentless that they eventually wear down average, common sense people with normal lives to lead --- and even scare them a little."

"The right's non-stop attacks eventually just wear people down, sap them of their enthusiasm, make them question their own judgment, especially in the face of a negative and less than hopeful future. You have to be pretty committed to want to wallow in this toxic mud every day and most people have better things to do with their time."

"So there is a method to this madness. It's the same method that all bullies use. And it's very effective."

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/method-to-their-madness-how-freakshow.html

Posted by: lmsinca | September 22, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington @10:11

That was awesome!

Posted by: nisleib | September 22, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington,

That link does not work for me, and Google can not find anything on it, either.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Get that General Shineski out of here. I do not want that fellow to continue raising a ruckus, about if we have enough troops assigned to my Iraq Invasion and Occupation.

No Medal Of Freedom for Shinny. George W. Bush

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

The RISK of TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICAN SOIL is too great - Pentagon officials have REPEATEDLY TOLD OBAMA.


Instead of listening to top military advisors, Obama has decided TO RISK MORE TERRORIST ATTACK IN AMERICAN CITIES.

This is a NATIONAL DISGRACE.


Obama has to RESIGN OVER THESE COMMENTS.

Calling All Blue Dogs - will you vote to IMPEACH OBAMA OVER THESE COMMENTS ???


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

mike-

brilliant!

Liam-

The Onion!

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | September 22, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Liam, make sure when you paste it all 3 lines get pasted. It should work fine unless you have some crazy security settings on your browser.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 22, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Greg, the only problem is that we know from the past that Woodward just makes up quotes to fill in the blanks of what he thought the person would have said i.e. his deathbed interview with Bill Casey.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 22, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

mike, that is just about as good as it gets around here. Thanks.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

@lmsinca...I take your point and you might very well be correct.

I'm not certain however. I'm not sure this loser has enough mental ability to actually plan this...Then again...if you're correct lmsinca that would make he/she smarter than the rest of us.

There is no denying the person is mind numblingly rude and ignorant.

@Greg Again can we simply get your techies to post our names at the head of our posts. This is SOP at HuffPo..even here at WaPo on Cilizza's Fix and the Daily Beast even heads the comments with the posters name in bright red.

I don't need another color..:-) but I truly would appreciate having the posters name at the head of their comments. Then we can ALL edit this loser and prevent he/she from wasting our time. THANKS.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 22, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Here we go Liam, this should work. Music is a little loud on this...watch it lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cB7_D645kQ&NR=1

STRF on a daily basis.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 22, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

ruk, we were warned and even Kathleenhussein who very rarely posts anymore recognized him from a couple of years ago. But let's not assign mental acumen to it.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 22, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Mike and Liam, thanks for the funnies. I *so* needed that this morning.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama is simply NOT QUALIFIED to hold the office.


Take this passage: The president is quoted as telling Mullen, Petraeus and Gates: "In 2010, we will not be having a conversation about how to do more. I will not want to hear, 'We're doing fine, Mr. President, but we'd be better if we just do more.' We're not going to be having a conversation about how to change [the mission] . . . unless we're talking about how to draw down faster than anticipated in 2011."

________________________________

Obama simply REFUSES to listen.


At one point, Obama draws up his OWN military strategy - and distributes a six-page document to military advisors - and THEN DEMANDS THAT THEY ALL AGREE TO IT.

Obama is a disgrace.

Obama right now is RISKING another terrorist attack - risking Americans being killed in the streets of American cities.

Just so Obama can EXPERIMENT WITH HIS PACIFIST IDEAS.

Obama MUST RESIGN

Calling all Blue Dogs - will you vote to IMPEACH OBAMA IMMEDIATELY ???

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Again lmsinca...Thanks for the Digby post btw. It was excellent and does describe what is happening pretty accurately.

The lunatic fringe of the right...and by this I mean folks like STRF..not Scott/Q.B. and other sane posters..have completely ruined any chance at genuine conversation.

We waste our time on absurdities like Czars because these sheeple listen to bloated drug abusers like Limberger and to moronic Pols like O'Donnell bring them up as if they are real. Of course there is no such thing as a Czar in American gov't.
When people have difficulty discerning a media shorthand description from reality...and that's what is wearing us down IMHO lmsica. We waste our time on absurdities like Czars, he's a Muslim, he's not born in the country, he's a Marxist/Socialist, a colonialist, death panels, pulling the plug on granny...

The right has literally made sure our nation is unable to have a genuine debate on the many serious problems that face our nation. It's unpatriotic in the literal sense of the word and yet these same loonies prance around waving the flag and copies of the Constitution which they don't even understand, and continually misapply.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

STRF is just feeling nostalgic for the days when Tom Ridge used to entertain him with his frequent staging of his Terror Alert Color Swatches Cabaret act.

Every one knew for certain, that the Mauve Swatch repelled Bin Laden and all his minions, especially when Mr. Ridge flourished it on the eve of elections.

I still have my stash of Plastic Sheeting and Duct Tape, so thanks to George W. Bush and Tom Ridge, I am feeling very safe and secure here at Camp Paranoia.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

@nisleib: "Greg really should ban (yes I said it) STRF. The guy (bot) is a cancer on the comments section."

I agree, just on his abuse of the ALL CAPS alone. And the double spaces. It really comes across as spam, and drives me batty.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 22, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

rukidding7


The vast majority of your postings are "partisan nonsense."


Come on - let's be serious here.


You have hundreds of liberal comments - and a few by some conservatives gets you unhinged ???


How about we agree on a 50-50 split of the number of comments, would that make you happy?

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest why are you trying to destroy the rainforest?

SAVE THE RAINFOREST FROM SAVETHERAINFOREST!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"Republicans constantly claim to be the party that defends the Constitution. We have no legitimate right to that claim until we get right on gay rights."

-- GOP strategist Mark McKinnon, writing for the Daily Beast in the wake of yesterday's successful effort by Senate Republicans to block repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/09/22/bonus_quote_of_the_day.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

@Mike....Wow..you 10:11 post and link have described STRF to a tee. It's perfect!!!!

@lmsinca I miss KathleenHussein as well.


@GREG...PLEASE..PLEASE..PLEASE HELP US!!!!
Can we please move poster's names to the top of their posts. If it takes money we'll take up a collection and I'll be the first to contribute. This moron really is gunking up your wonderful blog!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 22, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Mike, Ethan, Insinca - Are you sure STRF is even a person and not just a group of halfwits, paid by the RNC, to disrupt lefty blogs? After all, half of Republican bloggers are naught but paid hacks.


" 'It’s standard operating procedure' to pay bloggers for favorable coverage, says one Republican campaign operative. A GOP blogger-for-hire estimates that 'at least half the bloggers that are out there' on the Republican side 'are getting remuneration in some way beyond ad sales.'"

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/23/true-stories-of-bloggers-who-secretly-feed-on-partisan-cash/#ixzz10GkBYvAH

I know, who would pay someone to be so stupid? Surely nobody is so dense as to pay STRF for the "Thought free Zone" he is trying to install here at the Plum Line comment section... Oh, wait, "Who would pay," is obvious; Michael Steele. If there is anyone who likes to spread stupid like warm butter on a hot bisquit it is Michael Steele.

Posted by: nisleib | September 22, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

To All Mike, Liam, Nslieb - All you who think you are so smart and morally superior:

A terrorist tried to put a bomb on the street in Chicago last Saturday night while a Dave Matthews Concert was getting out.

Thousands could have been killed.


The FBI was happy to have the terrorist have a fake bomb.

But what IF the terrorist was able to build his own bomb - one that worked???

This is SERIOUS - just this year we have had TWO TERRORIST INCIDENTS which could have each killed more people than 9/11.

Obama is NOT taking that threat seriously.


The partisan democrats are BLINDLY following Obama's lead - and not taking the terrorist threats seriously either.

Don't tell me YOU ARE SORRY.


Tell the families of the victims when it happens.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest, you're right.

It's time to gather up all your belongings and run to the hills quickly! I'll meet you on the border of TN and W. VA in 24 hours and we'll head south from there.

God Speed!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 22, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Why bother trying to ban STRF? Without opposing viewpoints, wouldn't all of us on here be doing what Christine O'Donnell tells God doesn't want us to do with ourselves?

Posted by: 54465446 | September 22, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Well, one way to fight back is to donate money to some hard fought campaigns on our side. Hint, hint. Come on people. We can fight against the crazy and for something at the same time. It's not one or the other.

http://www.actblue.com/page/plcommunity

Posted by: lmsinca | September 22, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The New York City Police Department released a report a few months ago stating that if the Times Square bomb had gone off last April, more than 3,000 people would have been killed - more than the 9/11 attacks.


Last weekend - Saturday night - a terrorist attempted to place a bomb in Chicago on a crowded street in Wrigleyville after a Dave Mattews concert got out - while 40,000 people were departing the area.


OBAMA IS NOT TAKING TERRORISM SERIOUSLY.


Obama wants to "ABSORB" another terrorist attack ?


Just so he can leave Afghanistan in disarray - directly CONTRARY to Obama's promises to the nation ???


This IS A BETRAYAL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


OBAMA IS GUILTY OF TREASON.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest,

I'm serious, why do you have a handle of saving the rainforests but you never ever speak about rainforests? You never ever speak in favor of protecting the environment. Why is that?

Rainforests are the lungs of the Earth, converting CO2 (which as we all know is a greenhouse gas that contributes to the devastating effects of climate change) into oxygen (the gas we need in order to survive).

But you never talk about the rainforests nor climate change? Why is that STRF? I thought you wanted to save the rainforests, but I guess you're just a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE.

You are probably mentally unbalanced and should really be on medication. And if you are on medication you should probably up the dose. You should also be happy that Health Care Reform benefits children who have pre-existing conditions and seniors who fall into the doughnut hole. Assuming you are a senior citizen, you will benefit from HCR! Many of the HCR provisions take effect tomorrow, so you should be happy about that.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

That is what terrorists try to do. That is why they are called terrorists. Poor STRF thinks that If President Obama went around pissing in his pants, all the time, like all those Bedwetting Republicans do, then Terrorists would stop trying to carry out terrorist acts.

The FBI gave the guy in Chicago a dummy device to plant, so they were on to him, all the time, and have him locked up, as we speak. However, that means nothing, since President Obama has not run around with his hair on fire, like Bush/Cheney/Ridge/Tenet/Rumsfeld used to do, so not enough people have been frightened into wetting their beds, over the staged incident, that foiled the would be terrorist.

Republicans are the bigest cowards on the Planet. They are scared of everything, all the time.

They have nothing but fear to offer the American People.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I am no fan of banning anyone but this STRF character is not presenting "opposing viewponts," it is simply spamming every thread with nonsensical rantings. Although the posts are relatively easy to skip, they are distracting.

STRF is a menace.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 22, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Why bother trying to ban STRF? Without opposing viewpoints, wouldn't all of us on here be doing what Christine O'Donnell tells God doesn't want us to do with ourselves?"

It's not an opposing viewpoint, it's a blog bully with a bull horn. We have plenty of opposing viewpoints here, but this thing isn't one of them.

I don't care one way or another about banning, that's up to Greg. I just think it's important for us all to realize what we're dealing with and act accordingly.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 22, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

It is Greg's call. It is up to him to decide how he wants to monitor his blog site.

This STRF is just one of those White Supremacist Morons who have been driven around the bend, by the fact that there is a magnificent black First Family in everyone's White House.

I am proud of the Obama family, and proud of this country, for having put them there.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

rukidding, I just was about to post, and I happened to scroll up to catch the STRF flack. And I saw what you posted. Aw.

Mostly gone cause I'm super busy at work. But Save the Rainforest and Jake D and there's another troll just making it a waste. So I read Greg's post and try to scan for good comments.

All I wanted to note was that my conservative Facebook friends are loving the Mourning in America commercial, and rejoicing in the news about health insurers cutting out children. Because, see, that's what happens when you put in this stupid health care law. Aaarrrggghhh. The Republicans and Blue Dogs save the insurers bacon by blocking a public option, then the fat cats end run the law so you NEED a public option more than ever.

Hi everybody.

Posted by: KathleenHusseininMaine | September 22, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"I am proud of the Obama family, and proud of this country, for having put them there."

Me too, Liam. Me too.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

54465446 - I don't think we should ban Kevin. Nor do I think we should ban QB, Scott, or even JakeD2. We don't agree on much, but at least they are willing to engage in debate, which a blog comment section is for.

Not so with STRF. He, and that guy that calls everyone a nazi/quisling, are not here to share ideas and opinions. They are here to disrupt the comments section and drive off those of us who like it here. They don't add anything to the conversation, that isn't their goal. They want to flood the comment section with unintelligent rightwing talking points to the point that being here is unpleasant.

Posted by: nisleib | September 22, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"How long until anonymous skittish Dems run to the media to grouse that talking about health reform at all is going to destroy their hopes in the midterms?"
---------------------------------------------

I'm sure the Politico is out there trolling as we speak, so however long it takes them to dig up unattributed quotes from two people. They'll need at least two in order to say they're hearing it from, "Democrats" (plural).

Posted by: CalD | September 22, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Kathleen, I saw that commercial this morning. Nice how we have no idea who is behind it right? Re HCR, what's happening is exactly what some of us predicted, big surprise. We're glad you still read here sometimes.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 22, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

@54465446545455544 (sorry, pure number handles befuddle me, and I lose track, but: "Why bother trying to ban STRF? Without opposing viewpoints, wouldn't all of us on here be doing what Christine O'Donnell tells God doesn't want us to do with ourselves?"

First of all, there's nothing wrong with that. O'Donnell is wrong on onanism, and wrong for America. /snark (in case anyone gets confused, like happened with my "has some good ideas for Delaware")

Second, nobody is suggesting dumping STRF because of opposing viewpoints. It's spam and, often, a form of mild harassment. Which shouldn't be tolerated. Frequently, he's off topic over many, many multiple posts, in addition to formatting them in the most irritating way possible. ;)

And, he's been asked to modulate non-viewpoint related things, like ALL CAPs and multiple returns, and basically just ignores everybody. When it comes down to it, it's just spam. He's about 3° away from trying to sell us all name-brand handbags.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 22, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

@Nisleib: "54465446 - I don't think we should ban Kevin."

Man, I do. That guy's a jack@ss.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 22, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"When it comes down to it, it's just spam. He's about 3° away from trying to sell us all name-brand handbags."

That's really good Kevin. It's like that telemarketer that just won't take no for an answer.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 22, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

STRF should not be banned.

Posted by: clawrence12 | September 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

@Nisleib: "54465446 - I don't think we should ban Kevin."

Man, I do. That guy's a jack@ss.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 22, 2010 11:05 AM

.............


No No No. Do not ban Kevin. I do not want to be the only remaining j@ckass around here.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

@KathleenHussein....Wow how great to see you here again. Glad you are busy...busy is always a great thing..especially in these times when a large % of our fellow Americans wish they could get busy.

Tell us Kathleen what is up with your "Bobbsey Twins" Senators. Boy you'll have to be plenty old Kathleen if you can decipher a "Bobbsey Twin" reference. :-)

Seriously though...Susan and Olympia have really been dancing along the tightrope...not wishing to join the right wing reactionaries...but not wanting to get TPed out of their seats. I realize they are not up for reelection this cycle but how are their favorable/unfavorable s amongst you natives? Is their tightrope act working?

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 22, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Kevin - Ah, come on man, you aren't THAT bad.

Besides, we love ya here. You may not share my politics, but this is a community and yours is a valued voice. Honestly, it is nice to hear from ANY rational Republican; they seem to be a dying breed online.

Posted by: nisleib | September 22, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

All, check out the Dems' new game plan on the stimulus:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/how_dems_should_talk_about_the.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 22, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Why not deal with STRF the way it should have been done with Terry Jones, by just ignoring him. You have all given him the attention he desperately craves. Not to go all Biblical on you (for I'm actually an agnostic) but take the Gamaliel approach. "If their work or counsel is of man, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot destroy it,"

Posted by: 54465446 | September 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

@Liam and Ethan

"I am proud of the Obama family, and proud of this country, for having put them there."

Me three.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 22, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

What should really concern us is a public backlash against muslims in America.

The muslims have had nine long years to prove to America that Bush was right when he claimed that Islam is a religion of peace. They failed in that mission.

Instead we've seen a steady stream of attempts against US citizens coupled with an overt attempt to use American money and America citizens to wage jihad against us. This of course played out against a back drop of hideous muslim on muslim savagery in Iraq and A stan. these terror acts did nothing to improve the image of Islam among Americans here.

the controversy over the GZ mosque and undisguised attempt to blackmail us with radical violence have amplified the tension.

Americans will not allow themselves to live with a security risk, even if the government refuses to act against it. A backlash would not be pretty and many innocents will suffer.

but unless someone from within the American Islamic community can come forward with a sincere effort at healing, the tension will spiral upward and I fear that violence will ensue.

Certainly the recent car fire sends a signal that the patience of ordinary American with Muslim prevarication and hedging is at an end.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | September 22, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

According to the story in the Post, this was Reid's fault. He had Collins vote, but he wanted to add amendments that would enable illegal aliens to become legal by attending college. It was a stupid ploy to appeal to the Hispanice vote, and would actually have helped no one since few illegals can afford to attend college. Just another reason why the Tea Party has actually helped the Democrats. In any other year, Reid would have been a slam dunk lost seat.

Posted by: 54465446 | September 22, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

RU --

Oh, I'm old enough for the Bobbsey Twins. 55/55 coming Monday (as in, born in/turning).

Our Senators make me ill, at this point. I thought for sure Tom Allen could take down Susan Collins, but anger at her war antics died down by the fall of '08. Mainers like to split their votes, and people "respect" them both.

We'll have to see what happens in our governor's race in terms of TP influence. The Republican nominee has the benefit of being a native, being of French Canadian descent (apparently, we've never had a governor with that heritage), and he's "plainspoken." I'm noticing more Republican lawn signs for local elections this year, in my generally Republican suburb. We also have Eliot Cutler running as an uninspiring independent, who will siphon off just enough Dems to keep Libby Mitchell, the Dem, out of the governor's mansion. She has weaknesses, including being part of the Augusta system forever, and a former teacher, which could factor against her this year.

At least Lady Gaga came to town. That was fun.

Posted by: KathleenHusseininMaine | September 22, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

To All Mike, Liam, Nslieb - All you who think you are so smart and morally superior:


All your words, all your defenses of Obama will be MEANINGLESS if - as Obama is anticipating - this country "ABSORBS" ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK as a result of Obama's policies.

Obama WANTS TO TAKE THE RISK.

I don't - the country doesn't.


This isn't what Obama promised during the campaign - it represents another set of DECEPTIONS AND LIES FROM OBAMA.

Please don't tell it to me - Please don't type anything to me - JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WILL SAY TO THE FAMILIES OF THE DEAD AFTER OBAMA'S POLICIES LEAD TO A FEW MORE THOUSAND TERRORIST DEATHS.

What are you going to tell them Liam?


What are you going to tell them Mike in Arlington?


What are you going to tell them Ethan ?


What are you going to tell them nsleib??


What are you going to tell them rukidding?

Seriously folks - if the terrorist in Chicago had built his own bomb -


OR if the terrorist in Chicago had decided to team up with someone else who would be giving him a real bomb...


We would be having a few thousand funerals right now, THIS WEEK.

What are you going to tell the families ???


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington 10:42 AM


Tennessee and West Virginia do not border each other


I suggest you pick another location and go there.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 22, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

STRF,

Why are you ignoring my questions that I posed directly to you?

Why do you have a handle of saving the rainforests but you never ever speak about rainforests? You never ever speak in favor of protecting the environment. Why is that?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 22, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Reality Check:

That is what terrorists try to do. That is why they are called terrorists. Poor STRF thinks that If President Obama went around pissing in his pants, all the time, like all those Bedwetting Republicans do, then Terrorists would stop trying to carry out terrorist acts.

The FBI gave the guy in Chicago a dummy device to plant, so they were on to him, all the time, and have him locked up, as we speak. However, that means nothing, since President Obama has not run around with his hair on fire, like Bush/Cheney/Ridge/Tenet/Rumsfeld used to do, so not enough people have been frightened into wetting their beds, over the staged incident, that foiled the would be terrorist.

Republicans are the biggest cowards on the Planet. They are scared of everything, all the time.

They have nothing but fear to offer the American People.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 22, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Liam, that was pretty much what I was going to say, but you also gave an example. STRF is typical of the breed. Thank god for Depends. Think what a stink the red states would be without Depends, all these pants wetters piddling every time someone with a dark skin says boo!

Posted by: dkmjr | September 22, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Just so y'all know history on STRF. He spent a few years on the Fix where he did the same spamming and repeat postings. Everyone complained endlessly. We ignored him, we challenged him, we asked him to stop with the formatting nonsense, we ridiculed him. Finally, a few months ago, posters organized a boycott of the blog to impress on Chris Cillizza we were all sick of it. STRF (his handle there was 37th&OStreet) was generating sometimes 70% of the lines and going 24/7.

Chris Cillizza asked STRF numerous times to stop spamming. Finally, he started blocking his handle. STRF would just change to another and this was happening a couple of times A DAY. Finally, Cillizza implemented a whole new comments software and human moderators who finally blocked STRF.

All Greg has to do is talk to Chris Cillizza to learn what a plague he's gotten.

From my experience, STRF hasn't really ramped up yet on this blog. He's afraid of getting banned. When he does (finally), his swan song will be: "oh, I didn't know the rules. No one else follows the rules. It's a violation of my right of free speech."

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 22, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Keep up the good fight, SaveTheRainforest -- Ethan2010 doesn't answer my questions to him, so don't worry -- also, I don't think that SaveTheRainforest should be banned. Maybe 12BarBlues and Ethan2010 should be?

Hi KathleenHusseininMaine : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 22, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

@KathleenHussein Thanks for that insight from the great state of Maine.

"At least Lady Gaga came to town. That was fun."

I'm envious. I actually enjoy Lady Gaga's music..and I'm 62. In fact I'm getting ready to head out for the gym and "Just Dance" and "Poker Face" will definitely be part of the music for my workout.

Ironically I'd put Lady Gaga up against the Wasilla Hillbilly in terms of education and intellect. But then Gaga had the benefit of NYC private schools while the intellectually lazy Palin was suffering through Alaskan education where they apparently major in Moose and minor in Wolves.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

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