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* What to watch for today: Dems punted on extending the middle class tax cuts because they were worried that their failure to also extend the high end ones would allow Republicans to blast them for raising taxes.

Now, in a move as predictable as the roar of media attention that greets every Sarah Palin tweet, Republicans are already blasting the Dem failure to act on the tax cuts as ... a tax hike! Here, for instance, is Orrin Hatch: "It's unfortunate that politics has gotten in the way of making sure the American people's taxes don't go up."

In short: The Dems' decision to punt has actually given Republicans a tax-hike cudgel to use against them, rather than deprived them of one. Expect lots more of this.

* Important read of the day: Mike McIntyre digs into the shadowy third party group Americans for Job Security, which is dumping huge amounts of cash into the midterm elections without telling anyone where that money is coming from.

Flashback: Recall that this is the group that sank over a million into the Arkansas Dem Senate primary, and that its public address is a P.O. box in Virginia.

* Left struggles to keep up: Relatedly: MoveOn is calling on multiple local TV stations across the country to yank the nonstop flood of dishonest ads coming from right-wing groups, a tactic, Ben Smith notes, that reveals yet again how badly the right is outspending the left.

* Yet another Dem Senate seat in play? National Republicans are going up with a million dollar ad buy targeting Joe Manchin, the Dem candidate for Robert Byrd's seat, suggesting the GOP smells the possibility of an upset. At a minimum this broadens the map yet again and forces Dems to consider spending cash on an unexpected race.

* But Dems still likely to hold that majority: Chris Bowers keeps calling for calm, insisting that no matter how bad the polls look, Dems will still hold their Senate majority with 52 seats.

* Hey, if fibbin' works, Angle will stick with it: Sharron Angle is up with a new ad repeating the claims that Harry Reid voted to give special tax breaks and Social Security benefits to illegal aliens -- assertions that Politifact already debunked as "false" and "misleading."

* Tea Party delusions: When the Tea Partyers tell you they are the intellectual descendents of the Founding Fathers, they're revealing far more about their delusions of historical grandeur than anything else.

* More delusions: And as Dana Milbank notes, when House GOPers Kevin McCarthy and Marsha Blackburn liken the GOP "Pledge to America" to the Declaration of Independence, they, too, are revealing far more about their delusions of historical grandeur than anything else.

* Confusion continues to drag down health reform's popularity: The law remains unpopular partly because people are still struggling to understand it, and ABC News offers a detailed explanation of what it means to small businesses.

* Obama to respond to Ahmadinejad? Obama is set to respond in an interview with BBC Persia to the Iranian president's comments about 9/11 being an inside job. Prediction: No matter what he says, the right will deem it weak and insufficently bellicose.

* Forget 2010's "enthusiasm gap." What about 2012? Digby notes that the enthusiasm gap was inevitable after the euphoria of Obama's victory, leaving "nowhere to go but down," and asks, ominously, whether it will return in time for 2012, let alone 2010.

* The latest on DADT: White House advisers swear up and down that it will be repealed this year.

* Unwittingly buffoonish self-parody of the day: In a Facebook post called "lies, damned lies," Palin resurrects the death panels.

* And a special commenter book plug: One of this blog's most valued commenters, David Shaughnessy, has written a political thriller set in Boston called "The Bitter End." I've just started it and I'm enjoying it. I'll leave it to Shaughnessy to reveal his commenter pseudonym below if he feels like it.

Relatedly: Any other commenters in the book writing game? Let me know.

What else is happening?

UPDATE, 9:35 a.m.: Shaughnessy's book is available right here.

By Greg Sargent  | September 24, 2010; 8:31 AM ET
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Mucho Gracias, Greg:

What better way to relax from the intensity of politics than to settle down with a novel of political intrigue?

Coatue Publications is pleased to announce the release of David Shaughnessy’s debut novel. The Bitter End is a novel of political intrigue set in the Irish working-class enclave of South Boston. A breezy read, stocked with vivid characters and snappy dialogue and flush with local color, The Bitter End indelibly captures a world that is passing, but not going easily.

The work is available at http://www.lulu.com/content/hardcover-book/the-bitter-end/9055921 in hard copy or as a download for e-readers.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Regarding yesterday's question of the day:

I have a very simple answer to the question why Democrats are hemorrhaging support among Independents, which I also think applies to the Youth and Black voters that Obama brought into the voting pool:

These voters don't know consider Republicrat obstructionism a valid excuse for failure. Almost by definition, such voters will be uninformed about intra-party squabbles and uninterested in them as well. Americans elected Obama as president and gave his party overwhelming majorities in Congress. Yet the Democrats have failed to lead; they have bogged down in intra-party schisms that no one outside political junkies cares about. The combination of a dysfunctional Congressional caucus coupled with the absence of forceful presidential leadership has resulted in Democratic failure. And that is all Independents and other non-partisan voters see. Democratic failure to govern.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure this will help the GOP:

Boehner assured people: "We are not going to be any different than what we've been."

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 24, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi, intellectual heir of Jefferson and the Founders:

""We will honor the vows of our founders, who in the Declaration of Independence said that we are “endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” This legislation will lead to healthier lives, more liberty to pursue hopes and dreams and happiness for the American people. This is an American proposal that honors the traditions of our country.""

I guess it all depends on who claims the Founders' legacy how liberals feel about such claims.

But let's not pretend there is any reasonable debate whether Obamacare Big Government or the popular uprising against it is closer to the Founders' vision.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Ok. I think I get "IT" now.

Independents hate both parties. They are Dem, Reps, Progressives, Libertarians, and non-committed voters. They have some policy gripes but largely they hate establishment politics. Everything about it.

The reason Obama is losing these people is a direct result of letting Congress do the majority of the bill writing.

What needs to happen is we need to reform our political system. The first party to do so wins large segment of the Indie voting block.

And here's how the Dems do it:

Push for the mainstreaming of open primaries and non-partisan elections. I believe that includes instant run-off voting.

Here is a sample of this Indie voter distrust of establishment politics:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/19/independents.wedge.issues/index.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"""We will honor the vows of our founders, who in the Declaration of Independence said that we are “endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” This legislation will lead to healthier lives, more liberty to pursue hopes and dreams and happiness for the American people. This is an American proposal that honors the traditions of our country.""

The Horror! Americans coming together to solve their common problems. The Horror! American citizens challenging the power of Concentrated Wealth.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I guess qb and kevin really didn't like the mother's story I linked to yesterday. There is a sense of relief for some of us out here in middle class America now that a portion of the provisions in HCR are beginning to kick in. We have the Dems to thank for that, regardless of our opinion on whether the bill went too far or not far enough. Men and women who's children were pushed out of the insurance pool will be grateful.

And for those of you who just happened to be thinking that there are subsidies available for things like the new high risk pools, or the availability of insurance for young adults up to 26, there aren't. People are still paying for these policies at the same rate generally that those in the small group insurance pool pay. The point is that now a few more folks will have the opportunity to purchase it.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 24, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"The Horror! Americans coming together to solve their common problems. The Horror! American citizens challenging the power of Concentrated Wealth."

Typical hysterics from a person who left reason behind somewhere along his plunge into permanent rage.

Greg links liberals mocking claims of conservatives to be heirs to the Founders. One says no one is really heir to the Founders. Milbank's is just his usual vaccuous sneering.

Go ahead and make your historical argument that Obamacare is just the realization of the Founders' dream, and particularly of the opening lines of the Declaration.

LOL

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Greg;

I love reading this stuff.

You are an unabashed, liberal Democrat, media promoter of all things Obama.

There are tens of thousands of you in the Democrat media from coast to coast churning out Democrat propaganda day in , day out. A constant drumbeat.

After years of this crafted information you guys managed to limit George Bush to only eight years in office and you did manage to defeat an old RINO and by default Barack H. Obama landed in the White House with Nancy Pelosi free to cast her spells.

BUT, after only two years of pro-Obama propaganda that would make Joseph Stalin blush, the Obamacrats are about to get the bum's rush by the American people and B.O. has become another Carter.

Your propaganda just does not work so well.

Look at the results. They are all in your disfavor. You guys may do your Democrat pals more good by just shutting up.

Really, I'm serious. Think about it!

Posted by: battleground51 | September 24, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"The reason Obama is losing these people is a direct result of letting Congress do the majority of the bill writing."

Ethan: You may well be correct that election reform will help Democrats but I'd suggest two other concerns should be addressed:

1. As you note, Obama's deferring to Congress has been a disaster. Whoever advised him to do that should hang his or her head in shame.

2. And, in a related matter, this is where we see the true measure of the harm that Republicrats do to the Democratic Party. Since Independents don't know or care about intra-party fissures, they will not accept those as excuses for failure. Independents want results, not excuses.

3. This business of Landrieu extorting Obama on Big Oil's behalf is the perfect illustration of the Democrats' dysfunctionality: here we have a Dem Senator defying and attempting to humiliate a Dem President. What Independent voter would be moved to support such a party?

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Here are a few or thousands or millions of people who will benefit from the new laws just in CA:

Small Business Tax cuts
503,000 businesses
Donut Hole rebate
382,000 seniors
Medicare preventive services
4,470,000
No lifetime caps or recissions
18,883,000
Coverage up to age 26
196,000
Early retirement reinsurance
118 have currently qualified
430,000 could benefit

I don't have the numbers on the high-risk pool here yet, but it's up and running a the applications are pouring in.


Posted by: lmsinca | September 24, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"I guess qb and kevin really didn't like the mother's story I linked to yesterday."

What I don't like is her fundamental and malicious dishonesty. Motherhood doesn't excuse it.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"What I don't like is her fundamental and malicious dishonesty."

Ha! You live for "fundamental and malicious dishonesty"! It is the GOP's lifeblood. But, once again, it is GOP Propaganda 101 to accuse its adversaries of what they do routinely.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"What I don't like is her fundamental and malicious dishonesty."

Ha! You live for "fundamental and malicious dishonesty"! It is the GOP's lifeblood. But, once again, it is GOP Propaganda 101 to accuse its adversaries of it does routinely.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"What I don't like is her fundamental and malicious dishonesty."

Ha! You live for "fundamental and malicious dishonesty"! It is the GOP's lifeblood. But, once again, it is GOP Propaganda 101 to accuse its adversaries of what it does routinely.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

And I would like to offer a really big congratulations to our PL author. I will definitely buy the book, I love a good mystery.

I'm working on updating our PL Actblue page. Hopefully, we can squeeze a few more dollars out of our wallets. Thanks to everyone who contributed.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 24, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

The Dems' decision to punt has actually given Republicans a tax-hike cudgel to use against them, rather than deprived them of one. Expect lots more of this.

___________________________________


One can not spin this issue this way


ANY tax INCREASE above what taxes are NOW will be called a TAX INCREASE.

The democrats' best move is to adopt the ADLER PLAN RIGHT NOW - call a vote and pass that now.

The issue is a thicket - the expiration did that - the recession made the issue more complex -

Obama and the democrats have ONLY ONE OPTION - THE ADLER PLAN - any other move will cause them to appear to be in favor of tax increase.


Obama's other problem is clear: the tax bracket issue is causing Obama to look PARTISAN - which is NOT what he was elected to do.

Obama has a unique problem - his own platform - Obama's own platform is limiting what Obama can do without looking like a hypocrite. The left thinks it doesn't matter. It does. Alot.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Oops.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

All, I just updated with a link to wbgonne's book

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 24, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Once again, great thanks to Greg (Oprah) Sargent for mentioning The Bitter End (and in the MP, to boot!).

Later, All.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh good, it's official, congrats wbgonne. I knew it was you after following your comments to Greg etc. and I can't wait to read it.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 24, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Reading these headlines shows how well the GOP has done with making the Dems feel there is no reason for them to bother to vote. They got this election so won no democrat should waste time going to the poll. America is so in favor of their agenda that anyone who disagrees should stay home, feel unamerican and never vote again...

I have to say that they have messaging down to a science...

Posted by: soapm | September 24, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Well we've all had our morning dose of "I know you are but what am I". This poster is such an intellectual lightweight that he contributes nothing of substance...just the daily drone of tit for tat...he should change his name to tit4tat...that is ALL he has to offer...nothing ever of real substance.

But the moronic post of the day...the most absurd hyperbole revealing a total lack of critical thinking or ability to express himself...

"BUT, after only two years of pro-Obama propaganda that would make Joseph Stalin blush,"

I guess that's progress...we've moved from Adolph Hitler to Stalin. Did these people EVER actually attend school...learn anything about socialism or communism which they freely conflate...or what Stalin REALLY did? Stupid is as stupid does and that will probably secure that poster STUPID POST OF THE DAY!!!!

Perhaps that can be a new feature on P.L.
During the Evening Roundup we can all vote for "Stupid Post of Day". That poster already has a huge head start on today's award for brain dead efforts.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 24, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Well we've all had our morning dose of "I know you are but what am I". This poster is such an intellectual lightweight that he contributes nothing of substance...just the daily drone of tit for tat...he should change his name to tit4tat...that is ALL he has to offer...nothing ever of real substance.

But the moronic post of the day...the most absurd hyperbole revealing a total lack of critical thinking or ability to express himself...

"BUT, after only two years of pro-Obama propaganda that would make Joseph Stalin blush,"

I guess that's progress...we've moved from Adolph Hitler to Stalin. Did these people EVER actually attend school...learn anything about socialism or communism which they freely conflate...or what Stalin REALLY did? Stupid is as stupid does and that will probably secure that poster STUPID POST OF THE DAY!!!!

Perhaps that can be a new feature on P.L.
During the Evening Roundup we can all vote for "Stupid Post of Day". That poster already has a huge head start on today's award for brain dead efforts.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 24, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Harry Reid's supporters - apparently had a pre-planned plan to disrupt Sharon Angle at a debate.


While Sharon Angle was starting with her closing statement - the Harry Reid supporters started to leave en masse.


The problem was - apparently the Harry Reid people didn't feel they disrupted the place enough - Harry's people STARTED FIST FIGHTS WITH THE ANGLE PEOPLE.


And there was a brawl -


Unbelievable.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

@Save = "The democrats' best move is to adopt the ADLER PLAN RIGHT NOW - call a vote and pass that now."

The democrats best move was to energize their base by passing middle class cuts. However, the Democrats, unlike the GOP, is a diverse party capable of self centering which is why there isn't the votes to pass just middle class cuts.

If only the Dems had been selling this self centering attribute since day one it would show by contrast just how partisan and extreme right the GOP has become...

Posted by: soapm | September 24, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Wb, I think our Tea Party is called "Independent Dems" and focuses on election reforms and maybe calling reforms of the legislative process too. The whole process, soup to nuts, is broken and we need to fix it even while staying true to our historical progressive policy roots.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Wb, I think our Tea Party is called "Independent Dems" and focuses on election reforms and maybe calling reforms of the legislative process too. The whole process, soup to nuts, is broken and we need to fix it even while staying true to our historical progressive policy roots.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps we can get past Stalin, Hitler, Pelosi and look at some simple facts...

http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001448.htm

"Of course, forgotten in Republican fear and loathing is the inescapable historical truth. Since the time of Herbert Hoover, Wall Street and the American economy overall almost always do better under Democratic presidents."

And better doesn't just mean for the middle class but for EVERYONE!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 24, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Congrats wb. Best wishes for huge success with the book.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 24, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

May your tax rate soon be 39.6%

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 24, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

after only two years of pro-Obama propaganda that would make Joseph Stalin blush,

_________________________________

Excellent


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

@Ethan

"The whole process, soup to nuts, is broken and we need to fix it even while staying true to our historical progressive policy roots."

100% agree!!! It's not even a Dem or R thing it's what you have just described with most people pointing to the root of all evil...money as the culprit for gumming up the works.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 24, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"Well we've all had our morning dose of "I know you are but what am I"."

Talking about wb, right, since he's the only one who said anything remotely like that?

""that is ALL he has to offer...nothing ever of real substance."

Hmm. I've provided quite a few substantive comments just in the past 24 hours. Your knee-jerk attack . . . not so much. And so surprising after you just swore off such entanglements.

And, you don't think it is notable that Greg is linking and puffing pieces slamming Tea Partiers for claiming Founder lineage when Nancy and crew explicitly invoked them in passing Obamacare?

I'm sorry you find having your side's hypocrisies and double standards to be Pee Wee-esque. You don't have a problem with playing Pee Wee yourself, or applauding Greg or your pals do it. What does that make you?

Your one-note (well, two-note if I credit your incessant carping about "wealth disparity" and that God Who Was FDR) act is really tiresome. Seriously. Don't you think you've whined your "Pee Wee" whine enough?

"Stupid is as stupid does and that will probably secure that poster STUPID POST OF THE DAY!!!!"

Oh the irony.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

But, ru, the nickel claims there is no emprical evidence to support any of these claims of economic success under democrats. How dare you contradict such genius!?

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 24, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

LMAO...When STRF describes a post as excellent...it appears we have our winner for
"The Stupid Post of the Day"

Of course STRF is disqualified from the competition as it's strictly for amateurs not professionals like STRF. Seriously...nobody could be as ignorant as STRF unless someone was paying them to do it.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 24, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

@wbgonne:

"1. As you note, Obama's deferring to Congress has been a disaster."

Obama's "deferring to Congress" has indeed been a "disaster" that has resulted in Obama being one of the most successful Presidents in modern history. The success he's had in implementing his agenda is among the best -- according to historians and objective analyses -- in the nation's history.

And by the way, with regard to voters being turned off by intraparty feuding, etc., I think you're giving voters too much credit.

There have been polls that show that many people have never even heard of the Tea Party. Yes, let that sink in.

Most people don't pay any attention to politics.

Instead, I think many Americans operate with a bandwagon mentality: Most of the nation supports the war in Iraq? Well, so do I. People are willing to vote for the Republicans again? Well, I am, too. My friends are disappointed with Obama? Me too! me too!

That's not to disregard the personal experiences that inform one's opinion. It's simply that, based on how this nation generally responds to issues and/or people, the masses -- since they aren't informed about details, and usually don't care enough to inform themselves -- seem to operate more off of a general, collective sentiment than their personal experience.

That's why I'm so adamantly against polling EVERY single issue. Many people don't even know enough to have an informed opinion. Sounds elitist, sure. But, it's real. When approximately 40% doesn't know who the Tea Party is, or when about 12-14% "don't know enough about" Obama to have an opinion about him [That's actual polling data.]... Well, maybe we shouldn't think that they're being too analytical about this political stuff.

Posted by: associate20 | September 24, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

ru,

And btw, the other poster didn't call anyone Stalin. Try using your razor-like analytical prowess here for a change.

You'll note that a favorite theme of your friend Bernie is supposedly discerning and diagnosing the propoganda schemes of the right. He not infrequently cites the successful propoganda campaigns of "totalitarian" states in comparison or to validate his opinions.

Now, exactly which totalitarian states do you think he is talking about? And are you going to assail him the next time he starts up his propoganda "messaging" again? For being moronic, stupid, and without substance?

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

My take on why Democrats are losing independents. Take it FWIW - I am not a bagger by any stretch, but I am probably to the right of most of you.

To me, the reason why is not surprising - jobs. He gambled that the stimulus package would be enough to get unemployment down to 8% and then proceeded to use the rest of his political capital on health care. The gamble didn't pay off, and it left the impression that his priorities were not the priorities of everyone else. Is it fair? Not entirely, but... kinda-sorta.

Second, his policies have created some economic and regulatory uncertainty for business. True, that isn't the whole story by any means, and it gets massively overplayed by the right, but there is enough of a kernel of truth in it for it to resonate.

When Obama publicly blasts the health insurance industry, Wall Street, the drillers, or Big Pharma, I often find myself asking "What is he trying to prove?" If you want to blast CEOs, fine. They probably do deserve some of it, but do it in private. Don't do it publicly, because you inevitably hit targets you don't want to hit. It also just feeds the anti-business impression.

Treating business and workers as adversaries is at best incomplete. They have a symbiotic relationship, and workers will fear for their jobs if their employers are attacked. Not only that, but in a conflict between your employer and government who are you going to identify with? Some on the left may dismiss it as stockholm syndrome, but a lot of people do put a lot of their self-worth on what they do for a living, and dismissing it or attacking it is going to rile some feathers.

Just an impression from someone who doesn't fit into any political box.

Posted by: sold2u | September 24, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

For a different read on the decision to punt--

Jonathon Zasloff: "Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid aren’t stupid. They did what they had to do. This was the best of a bad series of choices."

http://www.samefacts.com/2010/09/politics-and-leadership/self-fulfilling-prophecy-department-the-democratic-punt/

Posted by: converse | September 24, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"May your tax rate soon be 39.6%"

lol

Cheers to that.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 24, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Greg:

I've been drifting over here of late from "The Fix." The other day, I argued for a strong national television campaign from the Democrats highlighting the Tea Party candidates and their lunatic positions and asking if voters really wanted to turn the country over to them.

With ads like this going up against Manchin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbElTuHnM2M

Don't you think it's time the Democrats started fighting fire with fire?

Battleground51: "After years of this crafted information you guys managed to limit George Bush to only eight years in office...."

You are familiar with the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, yes?

Posted by: Bondosan | September 24, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

rukidding7 at 9:47 AM

Did these people EVER actually attend school...learn anything about socialism or communism which they freely conflate...or what Stalin REALLY did?


__________________________________

The poster was referring to the PROPAGANDA OF STALIN.


"after only two years of pro-Obama propaganda that would make Joseph Stalin blush,"

_________________________________

It is legitimate and fair to point to the fawning of the press over Obama -


The journolist situation is well known - but the problem is way way beyond that.


Clearly, listen to the ED show - MSNBC, some of the side comments by anchors at CNN.

Before 1995, NONE of this would have been allowed on television - even the worst liberal bias of the three major networks was never this bad.

The Fawning of Obama - it has gone into deceptions and lies.


It started with Rev. Wright - there was NEVER an adequate portrayal of that church and its teachings in the press -


The press prefers to FORGET that Obama initially wanted to stand by Rev. Wright -


AND that Philadelphia speech was basically in Support of Rev. Wright's teachings - the press treated it like it was a great speech - it was not - the press was pathetic and LYING ABOUT ITS CONTENT.

THAT is not PROPAGANDA?


There has to be standards here - and the liberals in the press who THOUGHT they were helping Obama - have actually HURT him with the Fawning.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Converse-

Intersting, thanks for the link.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | September 24, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Colbert is on CSPAN 3 right now.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 24, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 at 9:15 AM

If you really want to "get it"


You can start with "the democrats sold us out" - with the


Free Trade deals

The pushing of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

The end of regulation of derivatives by Bill Clinton

Bill Clinton set-up the collapse of Wall Street - because he wanted Hillary to collect campaign contributions.


Let's just stop all your stuff right now.


If you understand WHY the democrats SOLD OUT AMERICAN WORKERS WITH THE FREE TRADE DEALS


And why Bill Clinton SOLD OUT THE COUNTRY TO WALL STREET


Then maybe you can BEGIN to understand Indpedents.

Case closed.


Until then, will you hold your shallow comments - they mean nothing.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

lmsinca at 9:22 AM


Everytime you post your list of things you are giving away - or increased benefits.


WOULD YOU PLEASE also post HOW MUCH THESE THINGS COST ???


And then please tell us WHO is getting hit with the costs??? The country is getting hit with MASSIVE PREMIUM INCREASES - linked directly to Obama's give-aways.

We just want you to be honest.


SHOW US HOW MUCH THESE INCREASED BENEFITS COST. And who is paying. Many health insurance plans are having increases in the area of 20% THIS YEAR ALONE.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of "razor-like analytical prowess"

WHO claimed a poster called Obama Stalin?

If you wish to use YOUR razor like analytical prowess perhaps you can reread my post. If you wish to parse what the meaning of is...is...and try to trip people up on specific wording...at least try to get it correct!!!

I simply reposted the moronic COMPARISON.
I never claimed the poster "called" Obama Stalin or even said the poster "compared" Obama to Stalin...I simply reposted the EXACT quote from the poster and observed we are making progress...at least a little variety...whether it's comparing Obama to Hitler...or calling him Hitler...or comparing him to Stalin or 'calling" him Stalin. I don't really care...either or reveals a true dimwit who knows little about history...and perhaps less about economics and politics...as revealed from the posters OWN words...not mine!

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 24, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

battleground51: if you are searching for a proGOP/D bashing site I strongly suggest that you visit Chis Cilizza's The Fix. Since January their threads have been daily D bashing stories which I am sure you will feel more comfortable participating in.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 24, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

OT - Headline of the day:

"Rightbloggers Beat Off Charges of Lunacy in Christine O'Donnell's M@sturbation, Satanism Remarks"

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/09/rightbloggers_b_1.php

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I could link a few other sites that daily bash the Dems but I'd get in trouble.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 24, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

@sold2u:

I know people like to do these very intelligent and eloquent analyses about why certain political phenomena occur. But, sometimes it's more simple.

With regard to independents, the number of independents surged after the Republican losses in 2008, and after the Tea Party became active last year, as many Republicans left the Republican Party and declared themselves "Independents."

Those "Independents" were always inclined toward conservatism generally and/or the Republican Party specifically. They simply, perhaps because of the cachet of the "Independent" moniker and/or the frustration/shame of being associated with a soundly defeated party, no longer wanted to be called Republicans.

As such, contemporary assessments of the sentiments among Independents was already going to be skewed (probably heavily) toward Republicans, since the ranks of current "Independents" owes its growth to individuals partial to conservatives.

Thus, ultimately, I think any assessment of Independents should take this recent phenomenon into account, and not assume, as many are, that Independents have moved -- in a substantial way -- away from Obama.

To understand the nature and magnitude of any shift, one would need to parse the 2008 voting behavior, any previous party affiliation, etc.

Based on the aforementioned issues, I suspect that any general assessment of "Independents," is likely to be flawed.

Posted by: associate20 | September 24, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington 10:08 AM


"May your tax rate be 39.6%"


___________________________________

PLUS STATE INCOME TAXES - SOME ARE 6%


PLUS STATE SALES TAX - SOME ARE 7%

THAT equals 52.6%

PLUS PROPERTY TAXES


PLUS

PLUS


PLUS

PLUS

PLUS

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Colbert is a trip. lol

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 24, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"whether it's comparing Obama to Hitler...or calling him Hitler...or comparing him to Stalin or 'calling" him Stalin."

He neither called Obama Stalin NOR compared them. He said the pro-Obama MEDIA campaign would make Stalin blush.

But your knee-jerk response clearly treated this as an Obama = Stalin comparison.

I.e., he made a claim equivalent to what your friend Bernie routinely does, if perhaps exaggeratedly, and you went unhinged on him. Sad, very sad.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

omfg. Colbert is going crazy lol. I don't think people are getting it.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 24, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I love you to death and you mock the media's coverage of sarah palin, but this blog mentions her more than any other that i read. it's kind of crazy.

Posted by: adammc123 | September 24, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

sold2u: you might notice that the stock market has been so hurt by Obama's policies that it has moved from approximately DOW 6000 when he assumed office, to DOW 10,841. Wallstreet protest too much, they are doing just fine under his leadership. Incidentally, the GOP which was calling for the liquidation of GM, and the collapse of Chrysler, is issuing an IPO next month. Had the GOP had their way in 2009 the entire auto industry including their suppliers would not exist today and there likely would have been an additional 2 million unemployed in Michigan and Ohio alone. And that is what you and the GOP advocate?

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 24, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

And why is Dana Bash at this hearing? She's back there in screen shot just being distracting.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 24, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Obama's "deferring to Congress" has indeed been a "disaster" that has resulted in Obama being one of the most successful Presidents in modern history."

associate:

I'm sorry but that's NOT how Independents see it. And that is the question we are considering. Why ask for an explanation why the Dems have lost Independents if you're simply going to reject the Independents' view as incorrect and invalid? That is exactly the hubris that drives Est Dems to disparage Liberals. I find the Est Dems approach monumentally stupid and the proof, as they, is in the polling. Independents see nothing but a mess since the Dems took power and they don't like it. Yes, the GOP ran circles around the Dems tactically but that is significant only b/c it is yet another demonstration of Est Dems political ineptitude. Independents put Obama and Dems into power and they have little but ugly squabbling, dirty compromises, and political cowardice since then. If you're wondering why the Independent voters (not to mention Young people and Afro-Amercians voters) have abandoned the Dems I think that's the explanation. If you DON'T WANT TO KNOW why that support has eroded --because it is politically inconvenient or otherwise -- that's another matter.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

insinca writes


Small Business Tax cuts503,000 businesses
Donut Hole rebate82,000 seniors
Medicare preventive services
4,470,000
No lifetime caps or recissions 18,883,000
Coverage up to age 26
196,000Early retirement reinsurance
118 have currently qualified
430,000 could benefit


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DO YOU HAVE THE COST FIGURES ON THIS ???

Well - let's just talk about the Premium Increases -


20% increase in the $ 2.3 Trillion market

SO JUST THESE ITEMS COST $ 460 BILLION DOLLARS

That represents AN OBAMA TAX INCREASE OF $460 BILLION DOLLARS JUST THIS YEAR

AND Obama has MORE TO COME.


__________________________________

Is there no end to your PARTISAN BLINDNESS ?


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

@associate20

True. In a lot of ways, the tea partiers resemble to Perot voters of 92.

I think a lot of the independents are reasonably liberal on social issues and are put off by the religious right and the Republican party's fealty to it. A lot of independents may lean right but cringe at Beck, Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, and the rest of the tea-party crazies.

On the other hand, IMO a lot of independents don't consider income inequality to be an important issue and are put off by the Left's focus on it. Also, I believe they are put off by being called closet racists for disagreeing with Obama.

FWIW, I am a free-market guy who wants single payer, so I fit absolutely nowhere.

Posted by: sold2u | September 24, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca & cmccauley:

Thanks re: the book. I hope you enjoy it should you choose to read it.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

soapm AT 9:49 AM


Few people in the country will be "energized" by seeing taxes increased on their neighbors, customers and their local small business owners.


The only people "energized" are those who think in terms of BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY - and that somehow they were "disadvantaged" -


And somehow raising taxes on someone else will help some historical "inequity" or "disadvantage"


But that really doesn't "energize" anyone, does it?


People who think that way never REALLY get satisified, do they? They always are upset about something. No amount of welfare, affirmative action or progressive tax rates seems to SATISFY them - they keep on COMING BACK THE NEXT YEAR WITH THE SAME SENSE OF BEING DISADVANTAGED AND DEMANDING MORE COMPENSATION.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

@sold2u You posted...

"Just an impression from someone who doesn't fit into any political box."

And this is why many of us are very glad to have you posting here. You are not only very informed about the financial sector (perhaps you work there) but as you correctly point out..your posts don't seem to come from any political box.

I always enjoy your thoughts and for the most part agree with them..and even when I don't I can at least see the logic and sense that comes from your thoughts. Wish we had more like you.

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 24, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Wb, I think our Tea Party is called "Independent Dems" and focuses on election reforms and maybe calling reforms of the legislative process too. The whole process, soup to nuts, is broken and we need to fix it even while staying true to our historical progressive policy roots.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 24, 2010 9:52 AM

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Bill Clinton and the democrats ALREADY SOLD YOU OUT.


You are saying - forget about the sell-outs, just keep on voting for the democrats, who will SELL YOU OUT AGAIN.

Obama already SOLD YOU OUT.


Someday you will realize what is going on.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

From Sept. 16, 2009. Anyone think their HC premiums wouldn't have gone up this year without passing reform? Maybe they would just magically have stayed the same or even gone down? Maybe we should have just let the whole thing spiral out of control and call it survival of the fittest or population control.

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The data was collected by the Kaiser Family Foundation and comes via USA Today:

Since 1999, health insurance premiums for families rose 131%, the report found, far more than the general rate of inflation, which increased 28% over the same period. Overall, health care in the United States is expected to cost $2.6 trillion this year, or 17% of the nation's economy, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 24, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe we should have just let the whole thing spiral out of control and call it survival of the fittest or population control."

A corrupt version of Social Darwinism is the root of Conservatism. Conservatives pretend they gained what they have solely through merit, not the luck of fortunate circumstances, and Conservatives then condemn those who aren't as lucky as inferiors who deserve to suffer.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

@leichtman1

The stock market sell-off was completely overdone in 2008. You could buy companies for under net cash on the balance sheet. Yes, the market has rallied strongly in the last two years; part of that is the realization that the world is not coming to an end, and the other part is that the market sold off too much in 08 and early 09.

Regarding the auto industry: There was zero probability the auto manufacturers would have disappeared if Washington didn't step in. GM and Chrysler were always worth more alive than dead. They would have gone into Chapter 11 bankruptcy, split up the assets between the different creditors, had it approved by a bankruptcy judge, and re-emerged with the creditors holding the equity. The "there would be no auto industry and 2 million unemployed" meme is pure bs.

Second, just because GM is going public again does not mean the story is over. Look, the government rolled over the secured bondholders in favor of the union. Did anyone in the administration wonder what would happen when GM has to refinance that post-reorganization debt? Does anyone think that GM will be able to issue senior secured debt at competitive interest rates now that the administration has injected itself into the reorganization? To ask the question is to answer it. So what happens? Either (a) GM has to finance its business at a higher cost of capital than its competitors, which will be disastrous, or (b) the government will have to backstop some of GM's debt to entice people to lend at lower rates. Which means the government gets another contingent liability on its balance sheet and can never extricate itself from the car business.

Obama screwed the pooch on this, thinking that the GM bankruptcy was too important to be left to some bankruptcy judge. He didn't think this one through.

Posted by: sold2u | September 24, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Totally off topic, but fun:

Apparently Minnesota is a hotbed of radical nullification. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/09/emmermentum.php?ref=fpblg

I wonder how much they are taking in stimulus funds?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | September 24, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

sold2u:

I disagree with you. Economic populism was (is?) a dead-bang political winner for the Democrats. The problem, as we've seen in many areas with the Est Dems, is that they are unwilling or unable to adopt and enact popular positions into legislation. That is seen by many as a failure to govern effectively, which is exactly what it is. And the fundamental problem is the cancer known variously as the DLC, the Blue Dogs, the Conservadems, the Republicrats. The Democratic Party brand is in the toilet and the Republicrats put it there, enabled by Dem "Leadership" that refused to confront them.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

All, check this out: Senate Dems who are involved in plotting political strategy WANTED the tax cut vote:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/politically_savvy_senators_wan.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 24, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

O&O, for now.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca


Clearly adding those benefits to the system had ADDITIONAL COSTS


You can make all the lists you want - and drum up all the stories you can - bogus or true.


The bottom line is PREMIUMS HAVE GONE UP $460 BILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR.


So, the industry has estimated the costs of the additional benefits at about that: $460 Billion dollars.

THAT represents the same as an OBAMA tax increase of $460 BILLION DOLLARS.

Well - that is not the end.

Next year, more provisions come in, 2014 more - then more, then more.

WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST OF OBAMA'S PLANS TO THE ECONOMY???


This is the IRRESPONSIBLE NATURE of the democrats - they are trying to FORCE permanent changes on the economy WITHOUT KNOWING THE ACTUAL COSTS.

Irresponsible.


If you make a list, give us the COSTS.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

@ruk,

thanks for the kind words.

Posted by: sold2u | September 24, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

OT - TPM says the tax cut vote may NOT be dead after all:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/how-house-dems-might-still-vote-on-middle-class-tax-cuts.php#more

Posted by: nisleib | September 24, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey out there! I did not try to compare Obama, any Obamacrats, or anyone in the Obamacrat media to Joseph Stalin. No way!

Stalin was a lot more clever than any of the above.

His propaganda worked, most of the time.

Posted by: battleground51 | September 24, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

@wbgonne:

"Why ask for an explanation why the Dems have lost Independents if you're simply going to reject the Independents' view as incorrect and invalid?"

When did I ask for that? And when did I reject it?

I'm not sure you're following what I'm saying.

I was simply asserting that I think you're giving too much credit to people when you assume that they follow politics well enough to think about things in the manner in which you've suggested that they do.

People who don't know who or what the Tea Party is... Haven't heard of Harry Reid... Don't have the slightest clue about who John Boehner is... Those people aren't going to know, or care, too much about infighting.

They are more likely to vote based on the sentiments "in the ether." That's why people often say that there's something to politicians losing late night hosts, SNL, Jon Stewart, etc.; they -- directly or indirectly -- greatly impact the general consciousness.

Case in point, SNL went after Obama around October 2009, saying essentially that he had done, literally, "nothing" (even after the Recovery Act had passed & it looked, at the time, like the recovery would be more robust, and Obama had signed several other, smaller but important, bills into law). Shortly thereafter, that sentiment became pervasive among pundits and bloggers. Perhaps, it was coincidence. But I think not. The sentiment existed until some of the more major legislation passed, and it's still reflected in some quarters even today.

Yes, I understand that one could argue that those individuals simply reflect collective sentiments. I would submit that the less-than-enthusiastic, or even angry, pushback they sometimes get following those forays counters that notion. Additionally, I would submit that people look to those individuals, not to reinforce current beliefs, but to introduce novelty.

With regards to the Independents, I'm simply saying that I think analyses of any shift among Independents needs to be more carefully constructed because of the "Great Republican Exodus" that occurred to swell the ranks of the "Independent" identification.

Posted by: associate20 | September 24, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

sold2u,

Re GovMotors, very incisive. I've never understood how the Obama admin thinks its expropriation of the bondholders in favor of the union will be forgotten once -- if ever -- it tries to return the company to independent life. You generally only get to destroy trust once.

And the problem may be broader than GM. Now that the market has seen the government intervene to dispossess security holders of one large company in order to reward its union backers, there is a general distrust and apprehension across the market. Screwed the pooch indeed. These people simply do not understand economics or free enterprise.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

GALLUP reports that trust in the legislative branch of government is at an all-time low, while trust in the executive and judicial branches are also falling away.

Pay no attention! This is just more right-wingnut, racist propaganda. We all know that Gallup guy is a FOX tool.

Posted by: battleground51 | September 24, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

anywone who does not believe that the GOP was advocating the liquidation of GM and Chtysler was obviously not listing to either Richard Shelby or Senator Corker on CNBC daily rants against both. Its truly rivisionist history to believe that the GOP did not believe that both GM and Chrysler were not too big to fail and advocated for that policy.

As far as the stock market sold2y has made my point when he/she said: Yes, the market has rallied strongly in the last two years; part of that is the "realization that the world is not coming to an end".

as to GM's demise, I would be happy to refresh your memory with daily talking points from both GM and Chrysler bashers Corker and Shelby who implored POTUS to just let GM go under.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 24, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

@leichtman1

you do know there are two flavors of bankruptcy, don't you?

Posted by: sold2u | September 24, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

battleground failed to post the rest of that poll he brags about. Voters distrust GOP Congressman by almost 10% points over D Congressmen. While he is correct in stating that Congress is at an all time low, more voters believe that of Rs in Congress than Ds. As to the POTUS his numbers have remained b/w 45-48% since January 20-25% points higher than Bush in 2008. Reagan was also in a recession and his polling numbers did not improve until 1983-85 when we were coming out of a recession but leave it up to GOP apologists like battleground51 to just tell you 1/2 the story line, just like his friends at faux news, the GOP channel.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 24, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

absolutely and Corker and Shelby advocated for liquidation.

yea free market unregulated SEC Cox policies that led us to Enron, Bear Sterns, and Lehman were brilliant GOP policies. Please Sir, Can I have Some More.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 24, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

None of the democrats want to talk about the costs of this round of Obama benefits.


It is about $460 Billion.

Add that to the $700 tax increase Obama is trying to get - and you have $1.16 Trillion dollars worth of a DRAG on the economy - just in these few months.


This is extremely serious - the economy can not handle all these Obama increases.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 24, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

what is ridiculous is that 37th/STR has posted his advocacy for Paris/Lindsay tax cuts at lease 10 times. We get it 37th you are excited for giving the very very rich more tax cuts.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 24, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"yea free market unregulated SEC Cox policies that led us to Enron, Bear Sterns, and Lehman were brilliant GOP policies. Please Sir, Can I have Some More."

Um, Cox became SEC chair in 2005 -- a few years after Enron. That was on the Big Creep's watch.

Your belief that Bear Sterns and Lehman were felled by "free market unregulated" policies is equally quaint. They were floating on the junk mortage market that was a creation of government regulation.

I swear, for all the whining about trolls on this blog, the worst and most trollery is of the know-nothing liberal variety.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 24, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

yea quarterback it was just left wingers who faulted failure to regulate the derivatives market on the R's stupid insistance on the appt of Chris Cox to the SEC in 2005. And it is that exact same type of deregulation we should expect repeated when Boehner told us to expect more of the same if Rs take over The House. Oh those good old days, please sir can I have some more.

"CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Republican John McCain, buffeted by criticism about his response to Wall Street's financial problems, said Thursday he would fire the SEC chairman and create a special trust to help strengthen weak institutions.

In all but calling for the firing of Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox, McCain turned on a fellow Republican and former 17-year House member who served on committees overseeing investor protection and U.S. capital markets. President Bush appointed Cox in 2005"

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 24, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"I was simply asserting that I think you're giving too much credit to people when you assume that they follow politics well enough to think about things in the manner in which you've suggested that they do. People who don't know who or what the Tea Party is... Haven't heard of Harry Reid... Don't have the slightest clue about who John Boehner is... Those people aren't going to know, or care, too much about infighting. They are more likely to vote based on the sentiments "in the ether.""

Perhaps I am misunderstanding you because I agree completely with what you say here. In fact, it is precisely what I was arguing: because these Independents are NOT partisans or political junkies all they know is the bottom line: namely, whether things are getting done under control. For that reason, Independents will not excuse Democrats when they complain they would have done this or that but for the Blue Dogs, blah blah blah. It is results and results only that matter. Independents who voted Obama and the Dems in expected to see a party an effective party led by a forceful leader who would move the country forward. And that is not what they have seen: they've seen a feckless Dem president deferring to a disorganized and ineffective Cong Dem Caucus.

"With regards to the Independents, I'm simply saying that I think analyses of any shift among Independents needs to be more carefully constructed because of the "Great Republican Exodus" that occurred to swell the ranks of the "Independent" identification."

These voters were won over by Obama and the Dems. Now they've been lost. How else can you see that other than as horrid political failure?

Posted by: wbgonne | September 24, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

wrote:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/global-tax-scam-shifts-from-climate-change-to-poverty.html

The elite are determined to rob the American people blind while creating a slush fund for world government by any means possible.

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, September 21, 2010
As the science behind global warming becomes increasingly discredited and its proponents are exposed as eugenics-obsessed control freaks who care only about destroying freedom, the effort to make Americans pay a global tax has shifted from the justification of climate change to that of poverty.

Be careful how you votein the Congressionals, there are lots of RINOS in there that are working for the very same people Obama is, they are now throwing out the peanuts, with pledges and whatnot, they are going to woe you! As soon as they would get into power, it will be "business as usual",

Re:Be very,very careful how you vote on these Congressionals, if you have hopes of getting back your freedoms of being an American again in the land of the free and the home of the brave! http://www.truth-it.net/trained_to_rule.html

To learn who not to vote for!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw The Obama Deception

Fall of The Republic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

Posted by: PaulRevere4 | September 25, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

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