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The Nevada dogfight: Reid blasts Angle as "crazy"

This new ad from Harry Reid, hitting back at an earlier spot from Sharron Angle blasting him over immigration, is the clearest indication yet of what a brutal dogfight the Nevada Senate race has become:

Reid's ad is a response to the Angle spot earlier this week that declared Reid "the best friend an illegal alien ever had."

Reid has come out in support of immigration reform, part of an effort to boost the Latino turnout that will be critical to his chances, but the Reid camp's swift response to the Angle spot illustrates how lethal the politics of illegal immigration remain.

Also note the spot's quick pivot at the end back to one of the core issues in the race: Angle's suggestion of phasing out Social Security. And: After hinting at it for weeks by characterizing Angle as "extreme and dangerous," for the first time, the Reid campaign has come right out and used the word "crazy."

By Greg Sargent  |  September 16, 2010; 3:25 PM ET
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So the goodwill Reid tries to get one day he loses the next? Tough spot for Reid to be in. I wonder if either Reid or Angle made it to any Mexico Bicentennial celebrations?

Posted by: sbj3 | September 16, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Angle has already called Reid crazy in numerous press releases. Reid knows how devastating Angle's last ad was. He knows he's falling behind in this race.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | September 16, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"...the Reid campaign has come right out and used the word 'crazy.'"

Good, it is about time. Why is it Republicans get to say things like, "OBAMA IS A NIGERIAN ISLAMO-SOCIALIST WHO’S GOING TO MAKE YOU GAY MARRY AN ANCHOR BABY” and Democrats are too timid to call an obviously wacked out psycho "crazy?"

The D's could REALLY use some help with their messaging.

PS - I fully took the above quote from Scalzi:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/09/15/how-to-lose-the-house/

Posted by: nisleib | September 16, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid and Obama are responsible for increasing health care costs 20%.


NOW WHO DO YOU THINK IS CRAZY ???


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I might have gone with "lunatic". Either way, it's always a good thing to speak the truth.

Posted by: bernielatham | September 16, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

OT:

A top Republican on financial issues said Thursday he was concerned that Elizabeth Warren would use a position in a new consumer protection agency to promote "social justice."

Gregg, the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee and a senior member of the Banking Committee, expressed dismay at President Obama's decision to tap Warren as a key "adviser" to help set up the new Consumer Financial Protection Agency established in the Wall Street reform bill.

"My concern is that she would use the agency for the purpose of promoting social justice," Gregg said on ABC's "Top Line" webcast.

@benen:

Maybe someone can remind me -- what's so bad about social justice?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025695.php

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Michele Obama says that life with 10 vacations a year - including one to Spain - and eating lobster on Martha's Vineyard -

is "hell."

HHHMMMMM - not sure what to think her version of heaven is.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the SocSec claim by Angle appears to be correct: Reid voted against an amendment designed to prevent illegal aliens from getting SSN benefits. Reid is misleading (imagine that!) because the benefits would have only gone to them after being legalized (LVRJ report: peekURL.com/zu7oy2v ).

That said, Angle's ad isn't that good because it doesn't strike Reid where he's weakest. Reid is pushing an amendment that would let illegal aliens take college educations away from Americans:

http://24ahead.com/s/dream-act

Reid is pushing that openly anti-American plan that would see struggling Americans have their college educations taken away from them by illegal aliens. That's what Angle should concentrate on.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | September 16, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Ethan-

It has the word "social" in it-as in "socialist".

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | September 16, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@Save = "Harry Reid and Obama are responsible for increasing health care costs 20%."

Any proof of this or is this just more hypothetical talking points from the right? So far, I haven't see anyone HC increase. There has been threats but no actual increases. Once the legislation is fully implemented all increases will be run by the feds to be approved so i don't see a 20% increase passing unless cost of living rises that high...

Posted by: soapm | September 16, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Senator Reid call me crazy, than have him call me "his pet" (shiver). 

The bearded Marxist probably lost 5 points alone for being Reid's lap dog. 

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | September 16, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe someone can remind me -- what's so bad about social justice?"

Like judges making law from the bench, it is only bad when Democrats do it. It is American returning to America when they do it...

Posted by: soapm | September 16, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Angle's ad is totally accurate. Reid voted no on the Ensign amendments in 2006. Now he is lying to hide what he voted on.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | September 16, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Insane, right Chuck?

And this is from Judd Gregg. A "moderate" from NH.

Republicans are irrational to the point of being truly mentally disturbed.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Social justice is a horrible thing. Before people got this crazy notion in their heads, we had workhouses for children and rule by aristocracy and women dropping babies rather than voiting and negros out in the fields in cast-iron bling. But then everything went south and we want out America back.

Posted by: bernielatham | September 16, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Reid is pushing that openly anti-American plan that would see struggling Americans have their college educations taken away from them by illegal aliens. That's what Angle should concentrate on."

I thought the dream act would help them become citizens which would mean American's taking education from American's. I think it is you who is getting the facts twisted if that is the case...

Posted by: soapm | September 16, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

nisleib 3:37 PM

He's Keynan or Indonesian, not Nigerian.


You are soooo racist if you can't get your countries straight.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Around the country hundreds of thousands of honest contractors have lost their businesses, dropped employees, because other companies are cutting costs by utilizing cheap labor. The consequences are lost jobs, wages falling and approximately 8.5 million illegal nationals stealing jobs from citizens and green card holders. According to (FAIR) Cost of Illegal Aliens in 2005 for Nevada - $629,900,000. With 15 million Americans OUT-OF-WORK--forcing Amnesty into the people's faces is political suicide. If this bill is passed it leaves intact the “chain migration system” that will permit these 2.1 million illegal aliens, to eventually send for millions more relatives. The ominous DREAM ACT leaves intact the chain migration system that will allow these 2.1 million illegal aliens to ultimately send for millions more relatives.

In quick succession, the legitimized illegal aliens would be able to get green cards for their parents. In the future millions of additional relatives would be able to start planning their applications and getting in line. This starts with adult siblings and moves on to aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. A large percentage of the illegal aliens in the U.S. today are extended family members of the illegal aliens who got amnesty in 1986 and also those in the six more-limited amnesties throughout the 1990s.

Questions to ask your local politician. 1. Why did Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, author an amendment to change the 2006 Secure Fence Bill, to only one border fence,--INSTEAD OF TWO--which would have aided in closing the border down-tight? Why are our Corp of Engineers building a bomb proof fence between Palestine and Egypt, when our border remains open is still not secure to invasion by criminals and unceasing hordes of illegal aliens.

2. If a mass amnesty is passed by the Democrats, how are they going to pay for the 18 million people to be processed --TAXPAYERS? How are they going to enforce the rush by millions for the border, or a one-way-plane-ticket, aware that this Amnesty is going to be signed--or the next million or those who come after?

Vent your anger on the phone lines to Washington and your Senator and Congressman at 202-224-3121. Join millions of other Americans and freely email, fax or you can aid in stopping the corruption in the Capitol. NumbersUSA has all the tools to return this country to THE PEOPLE. Be aware that illegal households may try and vote for Reid in November as our voting system is easily compromised.

Posted by: infinity555 | September 16, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

H. Reid is definitely a tax and spend undercover Liberal progressive, because of the costs involved with the Dream, but any kind of Amnesty. It becomes an extreme proposition on any taxpayer, because the large majority of illegal aliens are poor, with no education that will become dependent on taxpayers. Reid is only doing this--to expand--his voting bloc, which he certainly will—as illegal aliens will violate federal law to vote for him. NEVADA HAS AN OVERALL POPULATION OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, WORKING IN CASINO"S, ENTERTAINMENT AND BEFORE THE BUBBLE BURST IN REAL ESTATE. UNSAVORY CONTRACTORS WAS USING ILLEGAL WORKERS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY FOR YEARS, UNDERMINING WAGES.. We already have a back door Amnesty as under the direction of ICE's Chief John Morton only criminal aliens are being detained. Why bother with a border fence--such as it is--when the are letting thousands of foreign nationals back into our cities?

This Path to citizenship or the "DREAM ACT" is not limited to a few College grad’s but an amnesty that includes illegal aliens up to age 35! And the illegal families homesteading arrival can even incorporate children as late as age 15! This bill is a giant fraudulent loophole that nationals can claim an amnesty without providing proof of meeting certain conditions. Even some factions of the DREAM ACT amnesty have divulged that around 2.1 million people could be eligible. This amnesty has no restriction procedures at all as it still allows businesses to persist in hiring illegal aliens. Further—it tempts millions more parents to fetch their children here illegally and stay long enough for them to become high school students and demand another amnesty in a few years. Sen. Harry Reid has become an irritating thorn in the minds of all Americans—more so in Nevada.

Senator Harry Reid is also one of the principle lawmakers, who have suggested opening our Social Security system to illegal aliens. That means access to our pensions and safeguards for our sick and senior citizens. When house building collapsed Sen. Harry Reid allowed illegal labor, to collect unemployment benefits even though this is against the law. More than half of Nevadans think undocumented immigrants are taking jobs away from Nevada citizens, a recent Las Vegas Review-Journal poll showed. Angle's ad blasts Reid for voting to give "special tax breaks to illegal aliens" and to give those Social Security benefits "even for the time they were here illegally." Be aware Angle can be shaped by public opinion, because as yet she hasn't been corrupted by Washington. However Reid is an insider, who is part of the rancid power elite, which voted for trillions of dollars for Wall Street.

Posted by: infinity555 | September 16, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

soapm at 3:47


Obama and Harry Reid increasing health care costs by 20%

NOW who do you think is crazy ???


_____________________________


I am referring to ACTUAL filings by ACTUAL health insurance companies with State Regulatory Agencies in Connecticut - similar increase ARE going on all over the country.


Here is your proof - Obams should run on his RESULTS.


http://www.ctnow.com/health/hc-health-insurance-rate-hike-0914-20100914,0,5611833.story

_________________________

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Ensign Act?

Good idea:

http://www.citizensforethics.org/crew-calls-on-ethics-committee-to-act-on-ensign
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 16, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

soapm at 3:47


Obama's health care plan is a COMPLETE DISASTER - the increases are out-of-control.


Obama PROMISED the nation that health care costs would be lower, not higher.

Here are some examples:

Aetna asked earlier this summer for an average 24.7 percent increase over last year for small-group HMO plans. State regulators approved an average increase of 18 percent for all of Aetna's small-group plans and 14.2 percent for large-group and middle-market plans


ConnectiCare is seeking an average 22.2 percent hike for its individual-market HMO plans, according to a filing with state regulators. The insurer's plans would result in an average annual increase of about 13 percent for the overall individual market, including HMO and other plans; 12 percent for small-group plans; and 11 percent to 12 percent for large-group plans, said vice president of actuarial services Kevin Grozio.

Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield in Connecticut, by far the largest insurer of Connecticut residents, said in a letter that it expects the federal health reform law to increase rates by as much as 22.9 percent for just a single provision — removing annual spending caps. The mandate to provide benefits to children regardless of pre-existing conditions will raise premiums by 4.8 percent, Anthem said in the letter. Mandated preventive care with no deductibles would raise rates by as much as 8.5 percent, Anthem said.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

actuaries have said there is a 12% increase in HC premiums this year while in past years it has averaged 14-16%, interesting since Anthem was trying to raise their rates 40% to Californians months before there was even a final vote on HC reform.
Incidentally those who want to trash HC reform should be reminded that most of its provisions do not even go into effect until 2014 when the exchanges are created. All of these delays were crafted to appease Sens. Snowe and Collins for no good reason.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 16, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Rand Paul falls in line with Republican economic notions (roguish fellow that he is)...

"As The Wonk Room explains, Paul would have to eliminate nearly the entire discretionary side of the budget — including some veteran’s benefits, FEMA, the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Secret Service — or raid entitlement programs in order to eliminate the deficit in one year, even before extending the Bush tax cuts."
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/16/paul-bush-tax/

Posted by: bernielatham | September 16, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

so, what's the definition of "social Justice"?

How will we know when it is acheived? What process for adjudicating "social justice" is in place now?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | September 16, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 4:08 PM
===========================

You could do an even better job of spamming every Plum Line thread by using even more space breaks.

By the way, how much have those health insurers been hiking rates over the past many years? Maybe if they had some competition from a public option, they wouldn't be able to act as the oligopoly that they are.

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/health/96851494.html

"The findings also underscore challenges that people in the individual market will still face until changes under the new health care law go into effect in 2014, Altman said."
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 16, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

bother reading the bill. It is phased in over 10 years. Its a disaster? Try telling that to a family with a 26 year old kid that can now get coverage, or a cancer survivor who will no longer be denied coverage for a pre existing condition or denied coverage b/c of their age, what doctor's think about its new Wellness Program or seniors seeing the Medicare D dougnut hole being closed, or ending the practice of lifetime and yearly healthcare limits that have previously been the largest source of personal bankruptcy filings in this country.

And what has the GOP contributed to this reform? Precisely their same contribution they made to Medicare when it was created in 1965, and who's candidates now proclaim they want to privatize? You got it, nada, squat, nyet, zero..

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 16, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Back to the Obama tax cuts -- what's so complicated about this?

Well, there's a simple solution to that: hold two votes. First have a vote on the tax cuts for all income under $250,000. (That of course, also provides significant tax relief to upper-income taxpayers. Indeed, under that plan, the rich would get more than the middle class in total dollars). [...]

Then you hold a separate vote on tax cuts exclusively for people earning more than $250,000 a year. Anybody who wants to vote for that can vote for that, too.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/77717/solution-the-blue-dog-tax-dilemma

Why would they do it any other way? As Benen said:

Boehner demanded "an honest up-or-down vote" on this -- so give him one. One vote for the Obama policy with middle-class tax breaks, and one vote for the GOP plan for wealthy. Let's get everyone on the record and let the chips fall where they may.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | September 16, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 4:14 PM

I would like to trash Obama's version of health care reform, not more rational approaches.


I disagree - many provisions were set to come into effect in 2014 because Obama wanted to PRETEND that 10 years of taxes against 7 years of benefits would mean that health care was "paid for"


IN addition, many many insurance companies see what is coming - they see their COSTS increasing under Obama's version - and they want to PRICE IN those costs before the new regulations start to kick in - which may limit their ability to price in costs.

So, Obama's health care plan is a complete disaster on many levels - it is more expensive for the individuals AND it is not "paid for" on the Federal level


PLUS Obama has PUSHED MANY COSTS onto the States - who will have to RAISE TAXES to cover those.

Let me be CLEAR - the democrats really didn't want to talk about COSTS on the health care bill - THEY NEVER CARED - but that is what is important


Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya 4:25 PM


When you say "competition from a public option" -


Do you mean take TAXPAYER MONEY - give it to a fund called the "public option" - and allow that fund to offer lower health insurance premiums ???


I don't know what business you are in - but what if the government suddenly gave YOUR COMPETITORS taxpayer money to offer DISCOUNTED PRODUCTS AND SERVIES

How would you keep your job? They would put you out of business.


That doesn't do anything to "bring the cost of health care down"


WHY ? Because the actual cost of health care is what the medical costs ARE - NOT the subsidized health insurance premiums - if the government money is keeping those premiums artifically down.

That is why NO ONE has ANY IDEA what the democrats are talking about - except they are SURE the democrats don't EITHER.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"so, what's the definition of "social Justice"?"

Skip,

Um, why don't you LOOK IT UP?

You do have a connection to the internet right?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Look here, STR!

http://www.insurance-forums.net/forum/anthem-blue-cross-california-30-rate-increase-thread4462.html

Apparently health insurance companies knew Obama was going to become president and pass Health Care Reform back in March, 2008. Man, those actuaries are good!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 16, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

@bernie: "Social justice is a horrible thing. Before people got this crazy notion in their heads, we had workhouses for children and rule by aristocracy and women dropping babies rather than voiting and negros out in the fields in cast-iron bling. But then everything went south and we want out America back."

Goodness. Well, I always sort of suspected that's how you felt, Bernie, but I didn't expect you to actually go and *admit* it!

/snark

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 16, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

cmccauley60 4:27 PM


Fine - let's have ALL the democrats voting to raise taxes $700 BILLION DOLLARS IN THE MIDDLE OF A RECESSION.

The Congressional Budget Office says those tax cuts CREATED JOBS by the way - when they were originally put in.

So, you are proposing a JOB KILLING BILL.


And you want it - badly.

Then when those jobs are lost, the government has to pay unemployment benefits to those people - so you can add those costs in.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 4:27 PM


Tell that to people who can't afford health insurance now - because the premiums are 20% HIGHER.


And don't for a minute think all those subsidies are going to go into effect - they really have NO IDEA what the total cost is going to be.


AND what about all the people who are going to LOSE their jobs as a result of OBAMA'S $700 BILLION TAX INCREASE - now they can't afford these increases either.

The whole thing is a COMPLETE DISASTER.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

* Mike Castle won't endorse Christine O'Donnell for Senate, citing 'smears' *

Still grappling with his shocking primary defeat, Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) said Thursday that he will not endorse GOP Senate nominee Christine O'Donnell because he could not tolerate some of the "personal smears" he faced during the campaign.

[...]

"There are a lot of personal feelings in all this," Castle said in an interview off the House floor, citing "some of the personal smears" in the bitterly fought campaign. "At this point I have no intention of endorsing."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/16/AR2010091604717.html

Love thy neighbor.

Or something...

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 16, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Begging your pardon, but could one of you kind conservatives tell me what I should be more concerned about: raising taxes during a recession, or the exploding deficit?

Posted by: wiccan | September 16, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't get mad at me because the health insurance companies are raising their rates 20% - as outlined above.


Blame Obama.


Blame Harry Reid


Blame Nancy


Blame all the corporate sell-out deals that Obama made to keep health care ads OFF THE AIR.

The democrats in Washington SOLD YOU OUT - don't blame me.


Leichtman - that means you - the democrats sold you out - not my fault - just don't get mad at me about something that Obama did.
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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

obviously you are naive about how insurance companies push premium unjustifiable increases
precisely the way Anthem did with their totally 40% increase that was implimented months before the bill was signed into law.

Its a disaster? Try telling that to a family with a 26 year old kid that can now get coverage, or a cancer survivor who will no longer be denied coverage for a pre existing condition or denied coverage b/c of their age, what doctor's think about its new Wellness Program or seniors seeing the Medicare D dougnut hole being closed, or ending the practice of lifetime and yearly healthcare limits that have previously been the largest source of personal bankruptcy filings in this country.


As to Hillary supporters now supporting O'Donnell; precisely the same way Palin thought that we were that dumb. As a Hillary delegate to our Texas convention, I recently sent Coons a $100 contribution in response to her lunacy. She is a totally blank slate who's only known policy position is that she opposes ma*********n.

As for HC reform generations from now the country will understand that Ds created Medicare and HC and that the R party offered the country absolutely nothing. Debate is over, it is the law of the nation, get over it. I have been to numerous HR Conferenecs and despite what the right wants to tell you, corporations are dealing with it just fine.

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 16, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

wiccan 4:56 PM


Great question.

However, it is ridiculous to hear Obama talk about his concern for the deficit after he has run up more debt than ALL the Presidents from George Washington to Ronald Reagan - ALREADY


Obama has wasted much of the $800 Billion stimulus - and now he wants MORE MONEY even though he hasn't spent all of the $800 Billion - which was supposed to be emergency spending for last year. (shovel-ready)

Anyway - to hear Obama talk about the deficit - after his health care bill will EXPLODE the deficit in several places - as well as EXPLODE the deficits in State budgets -

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

So Bernie is social justice achieved if the things you list
are absent?

I'm fuessing not. I wonder what the name of that fallacious rhetorical device is.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 16, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who responds to STRF should pay his psychiatrist in advance,

so when they take you out in a straight jacket,

stick you in an ambulance to his office,

all the while screaming "I can't stand STRF, he's batsh!t crazy",

you can go directly into therapy.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 16, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

26 year olds can get insurance - that has never been the problem


.


Obama's health care plan is causing health care premiums to SKYROCKET

Call the DNC - see if they want their candidates to talk about health care premiums after the democrats promised LOWER premiums all last year.

Call the DNC - see what they want to say about health care premiums.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@SaveTheRainforest = those are companies seeking increases, you didn't show one rate that actually went up. Why, because none have yet...

Posted by: soapm | September 16, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues - I don't even read his posts, why bother? It isn't like he has anything intelligent or interesting to say.

Trolls should be ignored.

Posted by: nisleib | September 16, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"actuaries have said there is a 12% increase in HC premiums this year while in past years it has averaged 14-16%, interesting since Anthem was trying to raise their rates 40% to Californians months before there was even a final vote on HC reform."

The legislation hasn't kicked in yet and wasn't approved when these increases went through.

Posted by: soapm | September 16, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/happy_hour_roundup_89.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 16, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

in other words you don't have a definition, right Ethan?
=========================
"so, what's the definition of "social Justice"?"

Skip,

Um, why don't you LOOK IT UP?

You do have a connection to the internet right?

===========================

Its a simple question. Either you can define it or you can't.

Apparently you can't. Instead you demand that America chase around trying to achieve something vague.

No thanks.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | September 16, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Typically smart observation from Ed Kilgore at Dem Strategist...

"The reality is that well before 2008, conservatives decided to separate themselves from the unpopular Bush by moving to his right, even as they explained his failures as resulting from infidelity to conservative principles. Epitomized by their 2008 vice-presidential nominee, they became "mavericks" by way of ever-more-intense ideological rigidity and polarization. This development nicely coincided with the immediate need to avoid going down the tubes with W., and with the conservative movement's ancient tendency to attribute all political failure to moderation and bipartisanship. Thus was born the Tea Party Movement in all but name."
http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2010/09/that_liberal_george_w_bush.php#comments

Posted by: bernielatham | September 16, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

soapm 5:15 PM


Call the policy holders and tell them that.


You are going to pay the difference if they do go up?

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 16, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Call me batsht crazy for reminding him that 26 year olds could go out and Buy their own coverage but until this legiation kicked in could not take advantage of being under their parent's own policy. I agree that it is a total waste of time just like at The Fix .

Posted by: leichtman1 | September 16, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

@leichtman,

Take your blood pressure. You are playing with fire, man. One Fixer told he privately that if his scrollUp landed him in the middle of a 37th post, and he accidently read as little as one line, his head would start to throb.

:o)

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 16, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"You are going to pay the difference if they do go up?"

There you go now saying IF...

You initially started the lie that, "Harry Reid and Obama are responsible for increasing health care costs 20%.". If is a far cry from that statement. How many if statements make up a single truth?

If fish had legs they could walk. If Republican's had their way this would be a 3rd world country with 2% rich and the rest of us dirt poor...

Posted by: soapm | September 16, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

PS... and it looks like they are getting their way after 8 years of conservative policies. The poverty rate just went up, unemployment is up and wages are down...

Posted by: soapm | September 16, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Gracias Dios, gracias Señor Obama, gracias Senator Reid. You helping us get free two years college in U.S.A. We worried that must serve in army for get green card. ¿Who would go fight in war if get green card by going to free college? We also get free place to live and free food while going to college. We buy papers now to prove my relatives in Mexico been here long time so they get free college and green card. Gracias.

Posted by: NocheGarcia | September 17, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

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