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"The Obama tax cuts for the middle class"

Call them "the Obama tax cuts for the middle class."

Top Democratic leaders in the House are discussing using that phrase to rebrand President Obama's proposed extension of the Bush tax cuts for those making less than $250,000, senior leadership aides tell me.

The use of the phrase has the informal support of Nancy Pelosi and Majority Whip James Clyburn, and Pelosi has used the phrase in private meetings, leadership aides tell me. Rank and file House Dems are privately discussing the phrase. Top Senate aides also like the idea.

The concept behind the new phrase, which has been kicked around by liberal bloggers and others, is that calling them the "Bush tax cuts" cedes the rhetorical game to Republicans in advance. It obscures the history here -- the GOP built in the sunset of the cuts to begin with, to obscure their true costs. The new formulation would also do a better job of highlighting the fact that Obama is willing to extend tax cuts for the middle class now, while Republicans insist on linking that extension to one for the rich, a key distinction in the debate.

"The Bush tax cuts are sunsetting by design, due to legislation that almost the entire Republican leadership supported," one senior House Dem leadership aide says. "President Obama and the Democrats want to implement the `Obama tax cuts for the middle class.' It provides a nice contrast between what the current administration is proposing and what Republicans did in the past."

"We're kicking it around," adds one senior Senate Democratic aide.

The question is whether some Dems will conclude that attaching Obama's name to the tax cuts could have a downside, something that may be hashed out in coming meetings, one senior aide says. Though no formal decisions have been made, the phrase could catch on soon enough.

Republicans are banking heavily on the fact that they will be able to win the coming debate over the tax cuts by claiming that Dems -- by insisting on letting the high-end tax cuts lapse -- are pushing for a tax hike in the middle of a bad economy. Dems have been searching for ways to cut through this noise, forcing Republicans to own the tax cuts for the rich even as Dems take ownership of the tax cuts for the middle class for themselves. This phrase could fit the bill.

By Greg Sargent  |  September 13, 2010; 12:21 PM ET
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Comments

This must be a joke, right?

Posted by: sbj3 | September 13, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Greg: Why do Democrats insist on telegraphing every punch? Don't announce it: Just do it!

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

It's truly astounding that "senior Senate Democratic aides" don't get this intuitively. What the heck is wrong with these people? I think we are going to have to name a new disease "Democratic stupidity" for those that need reminding about these kind of things.

Posted by: Calvin_Jones_and_the_13th_Apostle | September 13, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh my god!

They've been reading my crappy blog!

(though they did delete the cursing)

Posted by: JennOfArk | September 13, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

For a group of people who ran around for years saying "Bush Lied" - this sounds really ridiculous.


The democrats have lost it - they have lost ALL touch with the American people -


Are the democrats that under the impression that the American people BELIEVE ALL THEIR LIES ???


The democrats are "clinging" to the fooling they did in 2008 - they fooled the American people -


It is sad how many democrats regard that as what they want - the height of what democrats can achieve - to fool the American people with one set of promises and turn sharply left.


It is not the color of one's skin, but the content of one's character........


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 13, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Boehner handed the Dems a gift and they need to seize hold of it. Instead the Melissa Beans of the party are undermining their strategy.

The simple message should be: Obama gives every taxpayer a tax cut but the GOP wants to give millionaires additional thousands in cuts that will have to be borrowed from our children and explode the deficit.

The GOP: bad for the economy, bad for the future.

Posted by: Mimikatz | September 13, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

From an earlier quarterback post:

"That's a pretty cynical and dishonest approach, wouldn't you agree, since all the tax cuts were initiated by the GOP to begin with and it was always the GOP that wanted them to be permanent?"

Posted by: sbj3 | September 13, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Is the point of this piece that the democrats are COMPLETELY UNQUALIFIED TO GOVERN ???


Because that is what this means.......


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 13, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

'Obama tax cuts for the middle class'

FTMFW!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 13, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

John Boehner now says that he is for "spreading the wealth around". (snark)

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"That's a pretty cynical and dishonest approach, wouldn't you agree"

Saying Obama wants to raise taxes on everybody -- "biggest tax increase ever" etc -- is a pretty cynical and dishonest approach, wouldn't you agree?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 13, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

John Boehner Abandons Deprived Billionaires.(Snark)

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Heh.

Since when is it dirty pool to allow something to expire as intended, according to the legislation passed? If something is expiring which was intended to last forever, shouldn't the law be written that way? Maybe the dirty pool occured when the law was being written and passed, eh?

And in what way is it dirty pool to come back with additional legislation restoring some of what expired, but not all of it?

We do this with legislation all the time.

Apparently it's dirty pool because it's the Democrats doing it.

Posted by: JennOfArk | September 13, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Right on cue, here come the Republicrats to make sure that Democrats stay right there in FUBAR World:

Lieberman Favors Extension of Bush-Era Tax Rates

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/us/politics/14cong.html

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

For those who are saying; "why do Democrats not get it?"

You are the ones who do not get it. President Obama put the heat on John Boehner, and Boehner could not stand it.

I think Boehner, even if Republicans capture the house, has just tossed away his chance to become Speaker.

The Rabid Right Wingers, will not forgive him for what he just said.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

wbgonne, you can be sure the press will chase down every single Dem that could possibly be on the edge to get them on paper.

It's a race to see how much inter-party tension the press can get going.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"you can be sure the press will chase down every single Dem that could possibly be on the edge to get them on paper"

Probably so. Watching a political party in power commit suicide is always news. Now please remind me again how great it is to have Republicrats in the Democratic Party because, you know, they are with the Democrats 90% of the time. (And Harry Reid gets a big office.)

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"Right on cue, here come the Republicrats to make sure that Democrats stay right there in FUBAR World"

We should be hearing from Ben Nelson any minute now....

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 13, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Right you are WoeBegone. Democrats are to blame for everything. Cheer up. You just might get rid of them soon, and then all your angst will Vanish.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

If the Democrats really want to pass these tax cuts then this is a terrible idea. Calling it "The Obama Tax Cuts" is a sure fire way to insure that Republicans fillibuster.

Posted by: nisleib | September 13, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The football team sucks because the cheerleaders aren't loud enough. Huh, Liam?

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I think Democrats should offer a: A Tax Cuts For Deprived Billionaires, Bill.

I want to see how hard each Republican, or Lieberman, or Ben Nelson, will then come out in support of such a clean bill, and actually vote for it.

Make it a separate bill, from the Middle Class Tax Cuts bill. Give them nothing to hide behind.

Call it what it is: The Tax Cuts For Billionaires Bill. I would love to go to the country, on that one.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Everyone see this site yet?

http://politiwidgets.com/

Pretty cool little tool to see what the tools are up to.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Geez, it only took them two years to figure that out?

Posted by: jimeh | September 13, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Great smackdown of the D'Souza article everyone was arguing about yesterday:

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/adam_serwer_archive?month=09&year=2010&base_name=forbes_embraces_birtherism

My favorite line:

"For whatever reason, elements of the right have chosen not to evaluate Barack Obama based on his actions or his policies but through the kind of postmodern literary interpretation that wouldn't make it through the vetting process of a freshman bong circle at Wesleyan."

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 13, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

he football team sucks because the cheerleaders aren't loud enough. Huh, Liam?

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:05 PM

.................

I would not say that. I do not blame The Republicans Sucking on your failure to cheer against their opponent loudly enough. God knows, you certainly do more than your share of that.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Just heard on ABC news:

Eric Cantor is now taking on John Boehner. No, Cantor wants to take the tax issue to the mattresses. No compromise!

Pull up the barcaloungers and popcorn.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 13, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Newt Gingrich Sings The Praises Of Colonialism.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

WoW! For the last 8 years all I've heard was that Bush only cut taxes for the rich. Now it's apparent that the middleclass got a tax cut also. It's funny how things change when your butts backed against a wall and you stand to lose re-election.
as the old saying goes "It's the economy stupid",real smart move raising taxes right now.
Try cutting spending for a change.

Posted by: jhnjdy | September 13, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

MikefromA

As someone who regularly argues in favor of Republicrats, this is for you:

Now please remind me again how great it is to have Republicrats in the Democratic Party because, you know, they are with the Democrats 90% of the time. (And Harry Reid gets a big office.)

Or, to put the question another way. just how much evidence do you require before agreeing that Republicrats are harmful to the Democratic Party?

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

It's official. McConnell is going to hold 98% of this country hostage for 2% of the population.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100913/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts

Now all he needs is the peons that vote Republican to put up a nasty fight for the wealthy. Gather your weapons teabaggers, the oligarchs need you!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton balanced the annual budget, and was paying down the national debt.

Bush came along and ran up a massive annual budget deficit. He would not even pay for his stupid war in Iraq, but instead borrowed the money from China.

Republicans calling for fiscal responsibility is like The Palin Family calling for Sexual Abstinence.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"The Bush tax cuts are sunsetting by design, due to legislation that almost the entire Republican leadership supported,"

I think this is a non-starter, targeted only at those who already are permanently entrenched on the side of the Democrats, anyway. At the end of the day, that was their only option for getting tax cuts against the opposition of some Democrats. Only way to do it. So that's what they did. The argument sounds like they are trying to say that the Republicans wanted the tax cuts to go away in 10 years because they didn't like the tax cuts, and that the tax cuts were originally the Democrats idea. I mean, it's a neat trick, if they can pull it off, but I don't think it'll work.

However, that argument is neither here nor there. What's really significant is that conservatives are winning 90% of the argument on taxes--ergo, many of the Democrats, and of the leftish punditry, are accepting the historically conservative argument that taxes are generally a bad and need to be cut. They may maintain that the argument doesn't apply to those making more than 250k, but, never the less, it's a significant lurch to the right regarding the tax argument.

Which is just more of a justification for the Republicans position regarding the original Bush tax cuts--it was worth it to get them, even if it require reconciliation and an expiration date to make them happen, in order to get to this point, where the argument is how low do taxes go or who gets how much in the way of tax cuts, as opposed to the old argument of tax cuts vs. tax hikes.

@wbgonne: "Why do Democrats insist on telegraphing every punch?"

They're called "trial balloons". They want to see what the reaction to every punch is going to be before they actually do the punch.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 13, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"Try cutting spending for a change."

OK. Let's cut the National Security State by 70%. That'll save a trillion dollars a year.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"As someone who regularly argues in favor of Republicrats"

The only argument I would make is holding the majority is important in determining what makes it out of committee's and who controls the overall agenda.

Do 10%-15% of their votes suck? Yes.

Is it better than 95% of the bills coming out of Republican controlled committee's sucking? Yes

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

mike wrote: It's official. McConnell is going to hold 98% of this country hostage for 2% of the population.
------------------------------------
Yeah, but let's not discount it. We all know that the 2% are the REALLY IMPORTANT people. You know, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 13, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"They want to see what the reaction to every punch is going to be before they actually do the punch."

Far too timid. And THAT is really the Democrats' problem in a nutshell.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

ust heard on ABC news:

Eric Cantor is now taking on John Boehner. No, Cantor wants to take the tax issue to the mattresses. No compromise!

Pull up the barcaloungers and popcorn.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 13, 2010 1:11 PM

................

Just like I said would happen. I knew that Boehner had caved, because of the heat that President Obama put on him, and that he was going to rile up the majority of his own caucus, and probably has tossed away any chance he had to become speaker.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

If the Democrats simply announce that all of the current cuts will be allowed to expire, and they are introducing separate legislation for Obama middle and low income tax cuts, I invite McConnell to filibuster to his heart's content.

They really don't have any bargaining chips here, and neither do Lieberman or the other conservadems. This thing will be set up where you have one choice - to vote for or against tax cuts for middle and low income working people - 98% of the workforce.

Posted by: JennOfArk | September 13, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington:

Putting the policy merits aside for a moment, do you recognize that the Republicrats cause the Democratic Party terrible POLITICAL problems such as this one right now on taxes or in health care with the public option? Meaning, I think, that if one could engender the same or better policy results WITHOUT the Republicrats then the Republicrats are less than worthless, because they are politically harmful. Yes?

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

liam wrote: probably has tossed away any chance he had to become speaker.
--------------------------------
A little research on the Rise and Fall of Speaker Gingrich reveals that John Boehner was part of the plot to throw Gingrich out of the speakership, a plot which ultimately failed because Dick Armey broke secrecy.

I wonder if Gingrich has revenge in mind for Boehner when he's in a position to do so.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 13, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Jenn,

President Obama has just ignited a civil war in the Republican House ranks.

Cue: STRF and Woebegone, to complain about how he can do nothing right.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and US troops are being pulled from Iraq due to the success of the Obama Surge Strategy.

Democrats are pretty dumb and desperate to think that they can fool the public just by renaming something.

America got fooled into giving Democrats control of the government. They are not going to get fooled twice in a row by the same tricksters, however.

Posted by: danamo | September 13, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

If you know of a way to get rid of Lincoln, Nelson, Landrieu, Pryor, Droopy Dog and the rest of the Republicrats and keep the Democratic majority, then let me hear it! :)

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"If the Democrats simply announce that all of the current cuts will be allowed to expire, and they are introducing separate legislation for Obama middle and low income tax cuts, I invite McConnell to filibuster to his heart's content."

I'm not disputing that the Democrats COULD do let the cuts expire for the Rich. The question is whether they WILL. I think not. Instead, the Democrats will pass up yet another political winner because they are too timid to challenge the GOP on anything.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

This works for me. Obama's Middle Class tax cuts vs Bush's tax cuts for the rich.

Posted by: maritza1 | September 13, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

wonder if Gingrich has revenge in mind for Boehner when he's in a position to do so.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 13, 2010 1:26 PM

........................

I doubt if Newt holds ant sway in today's Republican House ranks.

What I saw was that Boehner had stepped on the mine field, that President Obama had planted for him. Brilliant stuff. I see it as Boehner thinking that he could take away the Tax Breaks for Billionaries issue from Democrats, because the polls are against it. What he failed to do, was to consider what he was handing to his opponent, Cantor, by doing so. Also; he must have completely overlooked what would be the reaction of the Stark Raving Bachmann TeaBagger Caucus in the Republican House ranks.

Great stuff President Obama. Divide and conquer. Well done. I still say you have accomplished more, in less time in office, than even FDR did, and he did not come in, having to take charge of two botched wars.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"America got fooled into giving Democrats control of the government."

America has been overwhelmingly ruled by Democrats during this countries finest hours and a large majority of the last 100 years. If Democrats were so horrible how did we maintain being #1 in so many aspects of life.

Now that I think about it, during the last 20 years of mainly Republican rule and complete corporate sellout of the middle class and working class, we've fallen behind globally.

So, it would be safe to argue overwhelmingly that Democratic liberal based rule has shepherded this country in a good way and Republican conservative corporate sellout ruling philosophy has torn this country apart.

Or maybe you can point to aspects of the economy where the U.S. has excelled under Republican rule.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Obama go to Times Square - without telling anyone-

Go there on a busy Saturday night


Stand up on a platform - get a microphone - and say "SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE - IF THAT BOMB HAD GONE OFF LAST APRIL - A NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIKE WHO IS HERE NOW WOULD BE DEAD."

and THEN ASK THEM IF THEY WANT THE MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO.

If the bomb did go off in Times Square, killing another 3,000 people - would the New York Imam want ANOTHER MOSQUE IN TIMES SQUARE ????


just for the "unity of it all"

I just don't think Obama and the liberals "get it" They haven't taken the War on Teror seriously - and they haven't taken the economy seriously.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 13, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"keep the Democratic majority"

It appears that the Republicrats don't help achieve that goal except in the most ephemeral sense. And right now, it seems to me that the Republicrats' outsized clout in the Democratic Party is about to cost the Democratic dearly. The Democratic Party is too divided internally to function properly. And that, I think, is the primary problem they confront in November.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Start the count down to when John Kevorkian Boehner reverses himself, and comes out against the position he took yesterday.

He will claim that he is being taken out of context, and that he even took himself out of context(snark).

The Boehner flip-flop will happen, within the next twenty four hours, or may happen, any moment know. Start the count down now.......

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"They haven't taken the War on Teror seriously."

Increased number of troops in AfPak by 100k. Drone strikes up 10 fold under Obama. Dozens of foiled plots.

Bush instead took his eye off our target and sacrificed 4500 of our soldiers so he could settle a score with Saddam.

Now tell me again tweedledum. Who doesn't take terrorism seriously?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"took his eye off our target and sacrificed 4500 of our soldiers so he could settle a score with Saddam"

And rid the world of Evil. Don't forget that one.

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Slightly OT, but interesting: O'Donell vs. Mike Castle in Deleware is revealing something of a fault line between "true conservatives" like Mike Levin and inauthentic conservatives, like Patterico and Ace of Spades:

http://patterico.com/2010/09/12/odonnell-leads-castle-in-poll/

Also, read the recent O'Donnell stuff at Ace of Spades, ace.mu.nu . . .

These are some very conservative folks that Levin (and others) are attacking as being "traitors to the cause" or "inauthentic" conservatives. Could be that Republicans take back the house and make strides in the senate, only to be at war with themselves, in the political class and the punditocracy.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 13, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"America got fooled into giving Democrats control of the government."


__________________________

I call 'em as I see 'em


The truth is the truth


A duck is a duck


Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 13, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Kevin,

Scott Brown has to be watching what is happening to Mike Castle, with great trepidation, about his chances of winning the nomination, the next time around.

After the dust settles, Democrats should approach him, about coming over to their party.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, when all else fails, "reframe" the debate.

This is just another shallow attempt at the big lie. It smacks of Lackoff rhymes with.

Right up there with "96% fat free" or "as much as 1 million dollars an hour" and all the other cynical advertising ploys that Americans have tolerated since our inception.

this is a non starter. Just like "man caused disaster". What a joke.

If this is all they've got, then they should be in a panic.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | September 13, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

America has been overwhelmingly ruled by Democrats during this countries finest hours and a large majority of the last 100 years. If Democrats were so horrible how did we maintain being #1 in so many aspects of life.

Now that I think about it, during the last 20 years of mainly Republican rule and complete corporate sellout of the middle class and working class, we've fallen behind globally in areas such as education, standards of living, successful birth rates, etc, etc, etc.

So, it would be safe to argue overwhelmingly that Democratic liberal and progressive based rule has shepherded this country in a good way and Republican conservative corporate sellout ruling philosophy has torn this country apart.

Or maybe someone can point to aspects of the economy and way of life where the U.S. has excelled under Republican rule.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:

This Just In;

Minority Leader, John Kevorkian Boehner, has requested more checks from The Tobacco Lobby, so that he can pass them out, to try and heal the rift he created in his own caucus.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"Scott Brown has to be watching what is happening to Mike Castle, with great trepidation, about his chances of winning the nomination, the next time around. After the dust settles, Democrats should approach him, about coming over to their party."

Where are you getting that information? Brown is rock solid for the GOP in 2012. The question is who the Democrats will nominate. Will it be Blue Dog Steven Lynch? Or will it be a Progressive like Capuano whom they should have run last time instead of GOP-lite Coakely?

Posted by: wbgonne | September 13, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Mike from Arlington


"They haven't taken the War on Teror seriously."


__________________________________

If you are more concerned with giving a terrorist a lawyer - than FINDING OUT IF THERE IS ANOTHER BOMB ON ANOTHER PLANE, then there is a problem.


Clearly, Al Queda has a history of multiple plane attacks.

Obama was more concerned with giving the terrorist a lawyer and TELLING HIM TO REMAIN SILENT.

Sorry - what is worse, there appeared to be confusion within the FBI as to what Obama's new policy was last winter.


The whole thing smacks of a stupid national security policy - misguided legalistic theories - AND putting American lives AT RISK.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 13, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

All, check out the new Harry Reid ad bashing Angle's voting record:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/reids_next_target_angles_extre.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 13, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe someone can point to aspects of the economy and way of life where the U.S. has excelled under Republican rule.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 1:59 PM
-------------------------------------
Wrong question, mike.

Right question: Or maybe someone can point to aspects of the economy and way of life where the wealthy have excelled under Republican rule.

Now, that's an easy question to answer.

:o)

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 13, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"If you are more concerned with giving a terrorist a lawyer - than FINDING OUT IF THERE IS ANOTHER BOMB ON ANOTHER PLANE, then there is a problem."

On in your little bizzarro world does that happen.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 13, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

@mikefromArlington: "Increased number of troops in AfPak by 100k. Drone strikes up 10 fold under Obama. Dozens of foiled plots."

Well said. Unlike the Clinton admin, that helped erect a wall between the CIA and the FBI and obstruct information sharing between agencies, Obama has done no such thing. He's made no attempt to reign in presidential powers in regards to national security or repeal the Patriot Act. If you pay more attention to Al Qaeda leaders blown to bits by drones than you do to who Obama has bowed to (and thus surrendered our sovereignty, somehow) then it's hard to argue that the Obama administration does not get the war on "terror". The war against terrorist organizations, like Al Qaeda, needs to be conducted exactly the way Obama is conducting it. If it turns out to be imperfect, I'm pretty sure the Obama administration will adapt.

Obama is clearly an aficionado of progressive Republican Teddy Roosevelt: speak softly, and carry a big stick. And whack terrorists with it. Repeatedly.

"Bush instead took his eye off our target and sacrificed 4500 of our soldiers so he could settle a score with Saddam."

Perhaps. But I think it really was a well-meant strategy, a long term one, regarding the war on terror. I just don't think it was that hot an idea. In retrospect. As I am not a big fan of The Department of Homeland Security, either.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 13, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Kevin,

Some times I start to feel nostalgic about the good old days, when Tom Ridge used to stage his color swatches terror alert cabaret act.

I still have my stockpile of Plastic Sheets, and Duct Tape, so thanks to Tom Ridge, we are all feeling safe and secure, here at Camp Paranoia.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Whatever's going on behind the scenes, Obama and the Dems are eating the GOP for lunch today:

McConnell Spox: *No* Pledge From GOP Members To Filibuster Tax Cut Bill

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/mcconnell-spox-no-pledge-from-members-to-filibuster-tax-cut-bill.php

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 13, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:


This Just In:

Eric Cantor dons his suit of shining armor, and rushes to defend Deprived Billionaires from an assault on them by John Boehner.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "Some times I start to feel nostalgic about the good old days, when Tom Ridge used to stage his color swatches terror alert cabaret act."

Yes, that was embarrassing. Get duct tape! Duck and cover! Orange alert. Today's alert is Mauve.

For some reason, all that nonsense just made me want to go back and watch the original Logan's Run movie from the 70s. Don't know why.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 13, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Kevin,

We have nothing to fear, but fear itself. FDR.

We have nothing but fear. Dick Cheney.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Whenever you think the Dems cannot get lower, more cynical, more dishonest, more Orwellian, more demogogic, think again.

They are just beyond disgusting. Tax cuts they've opposed forever are now democrat tax cuts. Unbelievable.

Posted by: quarterback1 | September 13, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, when all else fails, "reframe" the debate."

Well, we learned from the best. Remember "death panels", "death tax", and (my all time favorite) "enhanced interrogation"?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 13, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Apparently you don't know much about the ham fisted rationing mechanism that are common in socialized states. Death panels resonated with Americans because we are smart enough to know that Obama cannot "bend the cost curve down" without some rationing mechanism. And given that obama is a dyed in the wool statist, that rationing mechanism will wind up being a bureaucracy that makes critical decisions regarding American lives. It is just that simple.

Remember that the icons of the socialized approach are Britain and Canada, both impose massive rationing on their citizens, with little recourse.

The Americans agreed with the death panel comment because common sense supports it.

The only thing more ghoulish that the liberals love of death taxes is the angry reaction of folks like Ruth Marcus when Mr Steinbrenner had the unmitigated gall to die before the Democrats could hammer his estate.

It is just amazing what people will say and do once they forgo any sense of shame, Isn't it dearie?

Yeah, let's talk about enhanced interogation. I notice that this one slid off the radar scope quite a while ago. Among the reasons for this are:
(1) Waterboarding is not torture and the left could not effectively make the case that it was. Americans simply didn't buy the righteous indignation
(2) The technique worked. Attempts to deny this truth failed miserably. Most notably when Mr Theissen published his book.
(3) It was clear that prominent Democrats, including sanfrannan, knew about the use of the technique and said nothing at the time. They aren't making a big deal out of this because they don't want too much egg on their face.
(4) Americans were smart enough to see political posturing that was adversely impacting our security. The stupidity of the DoJ jerkoffs about investigating the CIA was met with derision just about everywhere.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | September 13, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"The Americans agreed with the death panel comment because common sense supports it."

Yes, common sense also supports the sun orbiting the earth. Doesn't make it any more true though, does it?

"Waterboarding is not torture"

Says who? Bybee and Yoo? Excuse me if I don't take your statement seriously.

"The technique worked."

I think that's up for debate. But even if it did work - so what? It's still torture.

"It was clear that prominent Democrats, including sanfrannan, knew about the use of the technique and said nothing at the time. They aren't making a big deal out of this because they don't want too much egg on their face."

So? It's still torture.

"Americans were smart enough to see political posturing that was adversely impacting our security. The stupidity of the DoJ jerkoffs about investigating the CIA was met with derision just about everywhere."

So? It's still torture. (But nice to know you think our ideals and constitutional principles should be based on the whims of the American public.)

Posted by: schrodingerscat | September 13, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Republicans backed Insurance Industry Death Panels, all the way, In fact; Boehner wants to restore the right of Insurance Death Panels to drop coverage of sick people.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 13, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Duuuuuhhhh! Ya think? (Maybe) better late than never, I guess.

Dems. Sheesh!

"Can't anybody here play this game?" --Casey Stengel (of his hapless Mets)

http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/post/4110540.aspx

Posted by: oaguabonita | September 14, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse


You guys should stop complaining because, one the health care we have now isnt as good as it was supposed to be. also the law has just been signed so give it some time. so if u want to say u have the right to choose tell that to ur congress men or state official. If you do not have insurance and need one You can find full medical coverage at the lowest price by calling 877-882-4740 or check http://bit.ly/9fDY7U If you have health insurance and do not care about cost just be happy about it and trust me you are not going to loose anything!


Posted by: juanluis14 | September 14, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

@skipsailing28

"Remember that the icons of the socialized approach are Britain and Canada, both impose massive rationing on their citizens, with little recourse."

Umm, I'm Canadian. No, we don't ration health care up here.

But I'm glad you heard that we do from some talking head on Fox News!

Posted by: TheSavage | September 14, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we call it what it really is, another "Obama jobs killing program"

Posted by: md18 | September 15, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Why don't we call it what it really is, another "Obama jobs killing program"

Posted by: md18 | September 15, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

"...the GOP built in the sunset of the cuts to begin with, to obscure their true costs..."

This statement by this "journalist" is an outright LIE.

I recall the debate over the tax cuts very well. The ONLY reason the "sunset" language was in the bill was because the ORIGINAL "party of no," the DEMOCRAT Party, was threatening to filibuster yet again if the tax cuts were to be permanent. They shrieked "NO!!" until the "sunset" language was included. How disgracefully dishonest this writer is, and how disgracefully dishonest the Democrats are if they call extending these cuts "Obama's tax cuts for the middle class."

Posted by: srpatterso | September 15, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

for a president who blames every problem on george bush, it seems like the only ones working are those he inherited from W:

george bush's PATRIOT act is now being implemented by obama

george bush's gitmo facility is now being implemented by obama

george bush's iraq "surge" is now being implemented in afghanistan by obama

george bush's tax cuts are now being implemented by obama

heck, we might as well get W back in DC, since the best the rookie can do is create policies that even the democrats run away from, like the stimulus and obamacare!

Posted by: sofedup | September 15, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

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