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In case you were wondering why Bill Clinton is in such heavy demand on the campaign trail this year, Gallup finds, remarkably, that a Clinton endorsement commands more weight among Democratic voters than one coming from the current occupant of the Oval Office:

If the following individual campaigned on behalf of a candidate in your local area, would that make you more likely to vote for that candidate, would it make no difference to your vote, or would that make you less likely to vote for that candidate?

More likely:

REPUBLICANS

Barack Obama 2

Bill Clinton 9

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INDEPENDENTS

Barack Obama 12

Bill Clinton 21

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DEMOCRATS

Barack Obama 48

Billl Clinton 53

It's another reminder how powerful nostalgia is for the Clinton economy, and why Clinton is indispensible in making the case for Dem economic policies -- and against Republican ones -- among Democratic swing voters who are disillusioned by Obama's stewardship amid the sputtering recovery.

By Greg Sargent  | October 19, 2010; 4:22 PM ET
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A sign in a pub in Dublin, Ireland.


Nostalgia isn't what it used to be, and what's more it never was.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "It's another reminder how powerful nostalgia is for the Clinton economy, and why Clinton is indispensible in making the case for Dem economic policies."

I don't believe the polling supports these assertions in any way?

Posted by: sbj3 | October 19, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Poor SBJ, he is convinced that people do not fondly remember the good times, and are just hungry for more of the Bush era economic misery.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Bill, how can we miss you if you won't go away?

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is very politically savvy but he blundered when he assured all the little Obamacrats that their butts would be saved if they got Obamacare passed.

Or did he blunder???

Hmmmmmmmmmm!

That old rascal!!!

Posted by: battleground51 | October 19, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Feingold only down by 2 in a recent poll!

Come on WI!

Let's hope the land line polling is lagging and Russ will make it in the end.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It's hardly surprising that a president who's been out of power for more than 10 years would be more popular than the one who's in power. Obama's the one who must make decisions that are guaranteed to anger large segments of the public no matter what he decides. People have largely forgotten the things that Clinton did that angered them when he was president.

And, by the way, Obama has a higher job approval rating now than Clinton did at this point in his presidency. Obama's job approval numbers are even higher compared against Saint Ronnie of Reagan 2 years in (35% was Reagan's low point in the Gallup poll).

Posted by: Spacer | October 19, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Liam-

Amen. Having sold many Americans down the river via NAFTA and other "tiangulations", its a wonder why any true Liberal gives a damn for him.

However, I'd like to think part of his popularity is payback for the impeachment b.s.. Folks could see right thru the GOP on that one.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse


Liam-

Amen. Having sold many Americans down the river via NAFTA and other "tiangulations", its a wonder why any true Liberal gives a damn for him.

However, I'd like to think part of his popularity is payback for the impeachment b.s.. Folks could see right thru the GOP on that one.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 19, 2010 4:53 PM

.................

Chuck, it is the havoc created both at home and abroad by his successor that makes Bill look better now.

Merely average looks exceptional, when compared to the dismal failure that came after him.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

@ChuckinDenton: NAFTA and Welfare Reform aside (both of which I supported), Clinton is still making the best argument for Democrats that almost any national politician is making. I watched him (and the extended web cut of him) on Jon Stewart, and he was great.

He made a cogent argument for progressive (or, at least, more progressive than Republican) policies, and did it pretty much without ever saying the voters were idiots.

Strangely, when Democratic politicians spend more time arguing for their policies than complaining about mouth-breathers and bitter clingers, they can actually do pretty well. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

No, sbj, you believe in retarded assh0les and psychopaths.

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

It's no wonder Democrats are very nostalgic for Bill Clinton. He just happens to be the only two term, Democrat president since Woodrow Wilson way back in the World War I era. About 90 years ago.

Wow! Has it been that long???

Posted by: battleground51 | October 19, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton SOLD YOU OUT.

Bill Clinton agreed to all the Free Trade deals.

Bill Clinton took our intelligence assets out of the Middle East.

Bill Clinton refused to take Bin Laden into custody when Sudan offered him

Bill Clinton agreed to repeal Glass Steagall

Bill Clinton agreed to DEREGULATE DERIVATIVES.


TO SAY that Bill Clinton is "better than Obama" is a little like saying

"that smell is better than the smell of a rotten egg"


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, that's right bg51, FDR was a 4 term president, not a 2 termer.

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 19, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

He just happens to be the only two term, Democrat president since Woodrow Wilson way back in the World War I era. About 90 years ago.

battleground51
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Nice use of the limiter "two term." That erases from history FDR, who served three full terms and was elected four times. Or are the Repubwiccans claiming him now?

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 19, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

FDR was a 4 term president, not a 2 termer.
--------------------------
Well, don't you know in the world of sophists, it is much more important to be able to say 90 years than to factor in FDR.

Definition of SOPHISTRY
1
: subtly deceptive reasoning or argumentation

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 19, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Battleground

Roosevelt had three terms.

Truman had virtually all of the fourth term and his own. So almost two, off by a few months.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Also eliminates Truman and Johnson, both of whom served more than one term. I'd say they were reelected, but that'd get Jake's panties in a twist.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 19, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Great take from Drudge


The American People are about to FORECLOSE on Nancy Pelosi, and take their House back.


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

OT by a longshot.

Schwab is having a webcast tomorrow night for their investors. "Bumpy Road Ahead, Invest Carefully." Just thought I'd pass the advice on.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 19, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Retarded Assh0le - You need to keep adjusting that tinfoil hat of yours, I can still see your circumcision scars.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 19, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

OT:

Kentucky Station Pulls NRSC Spot For Inaccuracy

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/kentucky-station-pulls-nrsc-spot-for-inaccuracy.php

Liars caught lying... by a local TV station.

Go WHAS-TV!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@prags: "What I Believe."

I believe in rainbows and puppy dogs and fairy tales.

... And I believe 8 of the 10 Commandments.

And I believe in going to church every Sunday, unless there's a game on.

And I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and natural things.. that money can buy.

... And I believe in equality, equality for everyone.. no matter how stupid they are, or how much better I am than they are.

And, people say I'm crazy for believing this, but I believe that robots are stealing my luggage.

... And I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was - an arctic region covered with ice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFrYGCU460

Posted by: sbj3 | October 19, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Pacoboy


When you get nasty, it is a reflection on you, not anyone else.

Here your character is on full display. Everyone can see who you are.


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Leaf (AKA STR), WOW, Drudge??

Drudge?

That's bad even for you.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine with who I am. I don't spend all day begging for attention from people that hate me.

That is your gig, you retarded assh0le.

There are plenty of wingnut web sites that love people like you. Go find one and leave us alone.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 19, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

OT, what a MESS!

Joe Miller Security Team That Detained Journalist Included Active-Duty Soldiers; Didn't Have a License!!!

DropZone has faced some questions over its license with the Alaska Division of Corporations, Businesses, and Professional Licensing, which the Alaska Commerce website shows expired at the end of 2009.

Fulton claims they "just got a renewal the first of the month, that should be done within 30 days," and that the revelations were "bad timing" in light of the Hopfinger incident. But he said, the state licensing department "never got mad at me."

A representative in the Alaska Division of Corporations, Businesses, and Professional Licensing told TPM that the license had never been renewed.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/joe-miller-security-team-were-active-duty-soldiers.php

And he wants to be a SENATOR?!?!

Didn't even bother to check if his "security team" had a license?!?!

Um, WTF?!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

They actually changed the starting dates of Presidential terms during Roosevelts terms.

So Roosevelt first came into office in March - and later his terms ended in January.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Feingold only down by 2 in a recent poll!

Come on WI!

Let's hope the land line polling is lagging and Russ will make it in the end.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 4:51 PM |
...........

Who conducted the poll, and what are the numbers?

As for our resident Sybil; I would say that The Sludge Report is a step up for him.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know how Joe Miller is polling right now? Is he ahead or behind Scott McAdams? I did some Googling, but I could find nothing. I'm sure it's out there. I'm just not finessing the Google.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Liam:

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/polls/14194

I'm setting too much stock in this poll, I'm just glad to have some positive news about Feingold. It's driving me crazy that he's losing to Johnson. I think the good people of WI will come to their senses (at least 51% of them).

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Paco

Please don't give me any more attention.

thank you.


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

iam:

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/polls/14194

I'm setting too much stock in this poll, I'm just glad to have some positive news about Feingold. It's driving me crazy that he's losing to Johnson. I think the good people of WI will come to their senses (at least 51% of them).

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 5:39 PM |
.....................

Both Russ and Tom Barrett need to start showing a bit more energy in their campaign and debating styles. This is a red hot campaign year, and they both come across as almost being detached.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

AK-SEN ----

10/13/10
Rasmussen
McAdams (D) 27.0%
Miller (R) 35.0% Murkowski (R) 34.0%

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/2010-ak-sen

National Research Inc. for Club Growth. 10/8-9. Likely voters. MoE 4.9% (no trend lines).

Joe Miller (R) 33
Lisa Murkowski (R) 31
Scott McAdams (D) 27

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/15/910606/-AK-Sen:-Club-for-Growth-poll-shows-three-way-tossup

WI-SEN ----

Poll: Feingold Down Only Two In WI-SEN Race

A newly released poll on the Wisconsin Senate race suggests Republican businessman Ron Johnson's lead is much smaller than recent polls have shown. Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold only trails by two in the survey, 49%-47%. The poll, which was conducted by St. Norbert College, shows the race's slimmest margin through recent months' polling. The TPM Poll Average still has Feingold down 51.7%-44.4%.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/live/tpm-midterms-wire/?ref=fpblg#524

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Folks, how about we all stop giving this Sybil creature what it craves, and from now on, completely ignore it, and just leave it twisting slowly in the wind.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Ethan.

What have we been saying about Dems and general voters waking up?

GOTV!!!

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Funny sbj ... really funny but also telling. Perhaps a bit Freudian, sbj, but this does seem to be a pretty accurate description of the psychopaths and assh0les currently populating the GOP.

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 19, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Progressives; If you can not get energized to go vote for your Democratic Candidates, can you at least get energized to go vote against The Tea Party, John Boehner, and Mitch McConnell?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Greg, you made the front page at Balloon Juice. Check out the comments too.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/10/19/greg-sargents-primal-scream/#comments

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The American People do NOT want Obama's health care plan.

The American People care more about the economy as compared to any other issue.


The democrats talking right now is nothing more than "background noise" - no one cares


Then the democrats get nasty about it.


That doesn't help.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/happy_hour_roundup_112.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 19, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS HIRING IRS AGENTS to enforce his health care bill


Obama is OPENING UP 20 AFFIRMATIVE ACTION OFFICES TO ENFORCE HIS VERSION OF HOW MANY MINORITIES SHOULD BE HIRED BY PRIVATE COMPANIES.


The American People do not realize yet how Obama is seeking to COERCE the American People into doing what he wants - and acting according to his far-left agenda.


There is a sick aspect to this all.


WE HAVE TO STOP OBAMA IMMEDIATELY, the nation depends on it.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The nostalgia story is misleading.

It's right up there with "after two years, the president is no longer as popular right after the inaugeration!11!" yawner.

Unemployment is near 10%. It's because of 8 years of Republican misrule, and 2 years of Republican filibusters.

Heck, I'll be charitable and cast blame on the conservadems, too. The liberals were right, as usual.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

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