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Do you want to live in "Sharron Angle's Nevada"?

Though plans could still change, this new ad from Harry Reid, I'm told, is his final closing spot:

The ad paints a stark and perhaps somewhat distorted picture of "Sharron Angle's Nevada" as a place with no background checks for sex offenders working with kids, no Social Security, no mandates that insurance companies cover cancer tests, no City Center, and no Senator who thinks it's in her job description to create jobs.

Interestingly, there's no affirmative message about why Reid should be re-elected. The ad's entire message is summed up in a concise closing declaration: "Sharron Angle's Nevada? No."

Which is to say that the Reid campaign has come full circle. The unpopularity of Obama/Dem policies in Nevada; Reid's role as a leading enabler of those policies; Reid's own unpopularity in the state; and the Nevada's highest-in-the-nation unemployment rate all forced the Reid team to throw everything it had into painting Angle as not just an unacceptable alternative, but a hideously awful one.

Whatever happens on November 2nd, you have to give it up for the Reid campaign in one sense. With the help of Angle herself, of course, they made about as strong a case for Angle's unfitness for office as anyone could possible make. Now it's up to the voters to decide, and if they do pick Angle, they can't claim they weren't warned about who they were getting.

By Greg Sargent  | October 27, 2010; 12:34 PM ET
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Sharon Angle will be just fine.

Take a serious examination of some of the wacko democrats who have been in Congress for years - and she is well within the "range of wackiness."

Harry Reid, who wanted to cut and run out of Iraq after so many Americans had given their lives, should be sent out of office.

The country will be far better off.

And there are 50 Million hispanics in this country now - they are here. However, with a 43% increase since 2000, the nation really has to start to regard this as an illegal invasion.

What we have done is tell the law abiding immigrants - put your name on a list

The law-breaking immigrants - we have told to come here, and the democrats will find a way to get you benefits and find a way to give you a "path" down the road.

So who would you RATHER have - the law-abiding immigrants who have FOLLOWED the rules - or the immigrants who have BROKEN THE LAW from the beginning ???

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 27, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes.

Next question?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 27, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

(sorry, LeafofLife, I was watching the Reid ad and answering that question, not yours. To answer your questions, as I am sure you know, I would prefer LEGAL immigration ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 27, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been putting a MASSIVE DECEPTION onto the nation - and even Greg Sargent has been fooled.

Obama REALLY has a $270 MILLION MONEY ADVANTAGE this year.


There is no other way to describe Obama other than to say he is a SERIAL LIAR.


The money race totals come to $856 million for the Democratic committees and their aligned outside groups, compared to $677 for their Republican adversaries, based on figures compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Case Closed. Obama is a liar. The democrats are hurting the nation by not honestly evaluating Obama. We have an inexperience and unqualified person in office - the nation would be far better off once he is out.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 27, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"And there are 50 Million hispanics in this country now"

Ughhhh. Why is that a problem? Are you just afraid of brown people?

******

"However, with a 43% increase since 2000"

I doubt those numbers. Evidence?

******

"The law-breaking immigrants - we have told to come here, and the democrats will find a way to get you benefits and find a way to give you a "path" down the road."

You are making that up.

*******

Why are you so afraid of brown people?

Posted by: nisleib | October 27, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Republican politicians are against amnesty is because they are whoring themselves out to the business community to protect their cheap labor. It's all about the bottom line and zilch to do with what being a Christian or human is about.

OT but I stumbled across a pretty cool person mapping site that maps individuals to other individuals and organizations.

I only started looking at it but it seems pretty cool.

http://mapper.nndb.com/

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Angle just isn't bright enough to be a senator. Unfortunately, her opposition isn't exactly brilliant either. They could have easily reduced the popularity of the teapartiers if they'd done things in smarter ways rather than just playing the race card over and over.

And, regarding Angle and immigration, she's made things worse with inflammatory and not-entirely-true ads. If she were smarter she could have made a rational and highly effective argument against things like the DREAMAct:

http://24ahead.com/s/dream-act

That bill would let the illegal aliens covered by the bill take college away from Americans. The vast majority of Americans would oppose that, but Angle's opposition initially only consisted of procedural complaints and then a complaint that it was amnesty.

Only several days later did Angle finally make a resources argument against that anti-American bill. And, she bolloxed that up too.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | October 27, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm too scared to live in NV, what with the dangerous Mexican Union Thugs coming in wave after wave over the Nevada-Mexico border.

Come on NV, vote for Angle and DEMAND your right to below the minimum wage jobs, substandard services, and the lack of a viable economy.

You'll feel safer together living under a bridge.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 27, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Do you want to live in 'Sharron Angle's Nevada'?"

I didn't realize that Angle and Reid were competing for Supreme Dictator of Nevada. For some reason, I had thought they were running for one of two senate seats, and then would represent the interests of Nevada, along with all the other senators representing their states, in the senate, while crafting legislation that would have to be compromised with the house and the executive branch.

Who knew she would actually get to become dictator of Nevada. No background checks, no Social Security, no cancer screenings! So says Supreme Leader Angle!

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 27, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Right Kevin, because her "policy" positions don't matter. Is that what you're saying?

Greg's point, obviously, is that when you vote for someone who holds stated positions, you are tacitly (or really, directly) voting for instituting them.

Your fake naivete isn't at all convincing.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Nisleib

My source is the the recent set of articles on Univision. I believe the 50 Million number and the 43% increase was coming from US census data.

The articles focused on television ratings - there are so many hispanics in the US that Univision's ratings are on track to EXCEED CBS, NBC and ABC in five years.


Yea - look it up - google it.


The 43% number is correct.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I also want to live in an America where Sarah Palin is President of the United States, at least 51 Senators are Republicans, and John Boehner is Speaker of the House : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 27, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

OT but read it and weep you psychopath nut-jobs.

"A lawsuit claiming President Barack Obama is not eligible to occupy the White House because he is not a natural born citizen was thrown out by a state appellate court on Monday.

The leading plaintiff of the lawsuit, which was filed shortly after the 2008 election, was Alan Keyes."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/appellate-court-dismisses-birther-lawsuit/

That two now. Orly Taitz and this wacko.

What's it gonna take to pound his legality into your thick skulls?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"perhaps somewhat distorted picture"

My, what strong condemnation!

Posted by: sbj3 | October 27, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"...all forced the Reid team to throw everything it had into painting Angle as not just an unacceptable alternative, but a hideously awful one."
---------------------------------------------

Which turns out to be rather a lot like painting a turd brown. Or perhaps, slapping some gray paint on the elephant in the room.

Posted by: CalD | October 27, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Jake wants to see Sarah become Pres so she can quit half way through her first term because she can't take political pressure and starts losing her hair again.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

BGinChi

Chicago isn't much different from Nevada - the Mexican gangs are everywhere.

Take a ride up Milwaukee Avenue - which used to be a Polish neighborhood.


Just look at the signs - they are all in Spanish now.

Chicago has been flooded with illegal immigrants.


I just do not believe the democrats REALIZE the scope of the situation. Driving through the nation, whole neighborhoods have changed. We are talking about one-fifth of the nation in just a few years - a population that wasn't nearly that strong 20 years ago.


The democrats have done it.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 27, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Nevadans are between a rock and a hard spot, selecting between the lesser of two evils. Which shall it be? A long term Hill clone or a newbie who has no brains and runs on an intellectually defunct compass? Should we feel sorry for the "sin capital" of the U.S.? Whatever happens it won't change the fact that big money and big gambling interests will still come out on top.

Posted by: catinca | October 27, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"The democrats have done it."

Here that people. The democrats have done it!

It!!! Whoohoo! We did it guys. I can't believe we finally did it.

Oh wait, what did we do again?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainForest | October 27, 2010 1:00 PM

So is Angle suggesting we deport US citizens of Hispanic ethnicity?

You seem to be saying we should deport the brown folk because, well, they frighten you.

I live in Texas and one of the things that bug me is that the wingnuts here think like you do. They think this is our (and by our they mean white people) country and Hispanics should leave. But the Hispanics were here first!

I saw something similar growing up in Alaska. There was a lot of prejudice against the Native Americans coming from the wingnuts, but once again, the Native Americans were there first!

It seems to be a part of the Cult of Victimhood that so many rightwingers like to wallow in. They can't take responsibility for anything; so they cast about looking for a scapegoat. The scapegoat is always someone who doesn't look like them, or someone who talks with an accent, or someone who doesn't think Baby Jesus is the world’s foremost expert on NASCAR.

Really, wingnuts, "man up," as Angle would say, and admit that this countries problems aren't all tied to brown people.

Posted by: nisleib | October 27, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't want to live in Nevada, or even visit the place. It's bad enough just driving through it. It's just tragic that we have to share the same planet as Angle.
She is the lowest form of the human species.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 27, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

ALL

Illegal immigration IS an issue. It has to be addressed.

At this point, all the talk of a "path to citizenship" is bascially leading to an OPEN BORDERS SITUATION.


Let's be honest here: if you were in Mexico right now, and you heard all this talk from the democrats, it would be REASONABLE to break the law, come to the US and wait for the "path to citizenship"


This "path" talk is just NOT finding a solution for the people who have been here for years, this talk is ENCOURAGING more illegal immigration.


The line HAS TO BE DRAWN - if it is not drawn, we have a true OPEN BORDERS situation in which any person in Mexico can come to the US, receieve benefits, find work and vote.


Do YOU want that?

AND it is NOT just the Mexicans - the SAME immigration rules apply to Asians, Muslims and ALL the other people in the world - who may SEE OPEN BORDERS and just come to the US.

AT what point does it stop???


I have mentioned areas which used to be relatively free of immigrants - like Fairfax VA - now completely overrun with immigration.


AND it is just NOT these people. Immigrants tend to be young, in their 20s. They settle down and have children relatively quickly.


50 Million people can turn into 100 Million in 10 years - and 10 years after that ALL those people will be looking for jobs.


HONESTLY - do we have 100 MILLION ADDITIONAL JOBS IN THE US by 2025 for all these new people???

or by 2030 - those dates are only 15 or 20 years off. Do we have 100 Million additional jobs for all these immigrants and their children ???


NO - the job creation will not be there. The democrats are making some partisan calculation based on that idea that they believe they will get more VOTES - but WHO IS GOING TO EMPLOY 100 MILLION PEOPLE ?


Posted by: LeafofLife | October 27, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@LeafofLife | October 27, 2010 1:13 PM:

"Take a ride up Milwaukee Avenue - which used to be a Polish neighborhood."

LOL! Of course when the Poles first moved in, people a lot of people weren't too happy about that either... nor the Italians... nor the Irish... All of the above (and many more besides) were seen by many as a threat to the very fabric of American society in their time, and none were in exactly what you'd call universal compliance with immigration laws 100% of the time.

Posted by: CalD | October 27, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

OT but Patrick Murphy (R) was involved in a hit and run in VA.

http://www.bluevirginia.us/diary/2125/patrick-murray-involved-in-hit-and-run-leaves-scene-of-accident

Should be fun.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

ALL

You just don't understand the scope of the situation.

The "path" to citizenship is going to lead to MASSIVE UNEMPLOYMENT -

One has to add the children into the equation - legalization actually leads to TWICE the amount of people looking for work in the US in 15 or 20 years.

It is a serious problem.


Do we have 100 MILLION ADDITIONAL JOBS IN THE US in 15-20 years - in order to absorb all these additional people?


The democrats THINK they are going to get additional votes - that is IRRESPONSIBLE, PARTISAN AND JUST STUPID.


Do you really want a nation in which over 50 MILLION PEOPLE CAN NOT FIND WORK???


THAT IS THE QUESTION -


DO YOU WANT A NATION IN WHICH 50 MILLION PEOPLE ARE UNEMPLOYED, LOOKING FOR BENEFITS ???

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 27, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Another OT regarding VA races.

Apparently, if you show up to a Cantor meet and greet and you are a Democrat, you get ARRESTED!

http://www.bluevirginia.us/diary/2124/so-much-for-the-right-to-assemble-free-speech-in-eric-cantors-america

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

@BG: "Your fake naivete isn't at all convincing."

It's not fake naivete (I'm much too much the ingenue for that), but an illustration that such commercials are nothing but hyperbole.

The commercial isn't saying that if you vote for Angle, then you are voting for her policy positions, some of which may be instituted and reflected in a limited form, if there are enough senators to break the filibuster and the legislation in question affects Nevada. It's saying that if you vote for Angle, it will be a dark and desolate place where everyone gets cancer and nobody gets social security.

That was the point.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 27, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Kevin, I was talking more about Greg's post than the ad.

Do you really think Angle is a viable candidate? Seriously?

You're smarter than that. Reid is far from perfect, but this is no contest.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 27, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

All, Leaf of Life has been banned because of thread bombing and an overuse of hectoring capital letters.

I reserve the right to decide who is posting with intent to harass.

No more thread bombing, no more strings of capital letters. Those things will get you banned.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 27, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I think this Democrats being thrown out of an Eric Cantor event speaks volumes about what modern day Republicans are about. Freedom of Speech doesn't exist for Democrats apparently.

I suppose I'll hold definitive judgment but if those rural cops were abusing their power, there will be trouble.

http://www.bluevirginia.us/diary/2124/so-much-for-the-right-to-assemble-free-speech-in-eric-cantors-america

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent | October 27, 2010 1:42 PM

Good call.

Please keep in mind that LeafOfLife is only one of many names it uses.

SaveTheRainForest
CapitalorCapital
Classic777
LeafofLife

I'm missing a few...

Posted by: nisleib | October 27, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

After the GOP take-over, will any prominent Democrat run for President next year?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 27, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's look at Harry Reid's tenure as Senate Majority Leader. He received this title in 2007, when Democrats took over the Senate. This was well before the "inherited mess" he claims. He has allowed Obama to blast Las Vegas twice. He shut down the nuclear storage facility that cost taxpayers millions of dollars to study. He denegraded the President when he said he could speak "negro dialect when needed". Nevada also leads the nation in unemployment. I guess this means nothing to a biased media.

Posted by: slake2 | October 27, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I would go with Sharon Angle long before Harry Reid. Obama already threw Nevada under the bus & if Nevadans vote Harry back in they deserve the consequences. It's time to clean house. A Reid return might encourage tourists to seriously think about not supporting Nevada's industries. Maybe they'll just go to other places for conventions etc. Nevada's decisions affect the whole country. Harry had a lot to do with the current negative conditions in place now...he's so far left, now heading towards the right (as in complete circle, but it's facade)all the 'new' centrists, it's all a facade.....

Posted by: HMarie1965 | October 27, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ouch! Is "GOP" and "NASCAR" also a prohibited string of capital letters?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 27, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2, no matter how many seats they gain, they will hold nowhere near the majorities Democrats now hold. Not now and most definitely not in the near future.

Why?

Because of their appealing only to a dying demographic.

To reach the current advantage Democrats hold they would have to win around 80 seats. So the question is this, will they over reach considering their majority will be less than the current Democratic majority in the House?

My guess is yes with the current intolerant batch of right wingers out to make a name for themselves.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

HMarie1965:

Great idea! If Harry Reid wins, let's all boycott Nevada : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

slake2 | October 27, 2010 1:52 PM

Actually Harry Reid's, um, oddness is well remarked upon.

Notice that most of us don't defend Reid that much. If asked we would probably say we wish he had retired like Chris Dodd did. Indeed, we thought he was a lost cause until Sharron Angle beat Sue "Chickens for checkups" Lowden.

None of which changes the fact that Sharron Angle is best suited for a job that involves sitting in a corner eating paste.

Posted by: nisleib | October 27, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

@Greg 1:42pm -- An enormous "thank you" from a regular reader! Does this mean its other identities also are banned?

Posted by: okiegirl | October 27, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Because of their appealing only to a dying demographic."

I guess a question is why the Right refuses to accept this electoral and demographic fact. All you have to do is look at the electoral map of 2008, and realize that it will be even Bluer in 2012.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 27, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"All, Leaf of Life has been banned because of thread bombing and an overuse of hectoring capital letters."

YES.

Thank you Greg!

More of this, please!

This is not the Wild West.

This is a private website. And it apparently needs to be heavily moderated in order to keep out the psychopaths and/or poseurs and/or shills who happen to have an interest in keeping America stupid and under the thumb of the extreme Right.

Thank you Greg.

I will also tone down my use of capitol letters. Hopefully banning a few idiots who aren't interested in dialog will encourage more actual substantive discussion. I am not here to yell. I am here to have a dialog on politics and policy, and I have found that to be nearly impossible given the threadbombing from certain extremists on the right.

If your sole intent is stifling intellectual debate, then you ought to be banned permanently.

Thank you again, Greg, and WaPo. Please stay on it with the moderation. PL will only benefit in the end.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 27, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"This is a private website. And it apparently needs to be heavily moderated in order to keep out the psychopaths and/or poseurs and/or shills who happen to have an interest in keeping America stupid and under the thumb of the extreme Right."

Maybe it's just my paranoid nature, but seeing many of these Right Wing troll postings on other progressive sites, I have a feeling that many of them are flunkies of the RNC hired to disrupt discusssion.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 27, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"Notice that most of us don't defend Reid that much."

Posted by: nisleib
++++++++++

Harry is rather underwhelming, isn't he?

And what has he done to seal Nevada's infamously porous border with Mexico?

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 27, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"... no Social Security"
No Social Security. If only that were true. Never understood why so many are so quick to defend a system that relies on regressive taxes. But there's debate over how regressive the taxes are when compared to the benefit paid for low-income workers.

In any case, it should be geared so you're saving for your own retirement so you build wealth over time. Wealth that can be transferred to from one generation to the next.

At a minimum, means test it based on lifetime earnings.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | October 27, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

All, check out Charlie Crist's final flip flop:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/charlie_crist_flip_flops_on_sa.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 27, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Never understood why so many are so quick to defend a system that relies on regressive taxes."

It's keeps millions of seniors out of poverty. That's gotta be worth something.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just my paranoid nature, but seeing many of these Right Wing troll postings on other progressive sites, I have a feeling that many of them are flunkies of the RNC hired to disrupt discusssion.

******

Didn't the Daily Beast report that half of right wing bloggers were paid schills?

But come on, nobody made conservatives look worse than SaveTheRainForrest. Do you think Kevin_Willis liked sharing a political party with STRF? I kind of doubt it.

Posted by: nisleib | October 27, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It's a good ad - and dems should have been running a version of that in every district in the country.

Posted by: lcrider1 | October 27, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

And what has he done to seal Nevada's infamously porous border with Mexico?

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 27, 2010 2:17 PM

*****

He picked up the entire state and moved it north!

Posted by: nisleib | October 27, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

leafoflife may have went overboard in his postings but he/she was speaking the truth. Couldn't you have game him a warning? anyway....

I know young men out of high school who can't find a job but I see illegal immigrants working for verizon and other local companies. So nisleib please explain to these young men why they should be out of work while illegal aliens perform jobs they could be doing?

Illegal immigration is out of control and has to be stopped. It's not a race thing as nisleib is trying to make it. We are being invaded and the liberals and dems are allowing it. The repubs are just as bad. It's up to the states and the people. The Feds have turned their back on the will of the people and cater to special interests groups.

Posted by: howduyudo | October 27, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"It's keeps millions of seniors out of poverty. That's gotta be worth something."

A worthy goal. But you can do that without having low-income workers and the young subsidize the middle class.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | October 27, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Couldn't you have game him a warning?"

What makes you think he wasn't given one?

"So nisleib please explain to these young men why they should be out of work while illegal aliens perform jobs they could be doing? "

Perhaps Verizon and other local companies should offer up the explanation. They wouldn't be coming here if no one was offering them jobs.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 27, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Illegal immigration is out of control and has to be stopped. It's not a race thing as nisleib is trying to make it

******

You misread me. I don't deny it is a problem, but when anyone says the problem is "50 million hispanics" they aren't talking about illegal aliens, they are talking about hispanics in general. The vast majority of Hispanics in this country are legal US citizens.

Posted by: nisleib | October 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

""It's keeps millions of seniors out of poverty. That's gotta be worth something."

A worthy goal. But you can do that without having low-income workers and the young subsidize the middle class."

A system that everyone pays into that benefits them when they retire. Seems like a conservative way of paying for it.

The reason why the wealthy don't want to pay into it and want to privatize it is a few reasons.

The investors think they can get a better ROI on what they pay into that system.

Investment firms see a brand new revenue stream out there to sap money from.

And millionaires really don't need to fall back on it when they retire so would rather have it to spend on whatever.

The problem is that for the system to work, everyone needs to pay their fair share.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 27, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@nisleib: "But come on, nobody made conservatives look worse than SaveTheRainForrest."

Well, there are a few. Tim Proffit?

"Do you think Kevin_Willis liked sharing a political party with STRF? I kind of doubt it."

Big tent and all. I can't control whose across the nebulous center with me, and, occasionally, LeafOfTheForest had a good point. How he conducts himself in a mixed forum is another thing again. There's a give-and-take of cooperative social interaction that should take place in a forum, even when folks disagree profoundly, and there is an implicit agreement to stick to the subject, and not try to sabotage the conversation for fun. STRF was a saboteur. Trying to eat up screen space and pasting the same, or essentially the same, comment a dozen times just got old. I would have kicked him out after the fourth or fifth accusatory message re: 12Bar. That was just quasi-stalking weird.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 27, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@BGinCHI: "Do you really think Angle is a viable candidate? Seriously?"

Depends what you mean by "viable"? If by that do you mean, "do I think she can win"? Then, yes, this year, I think it's possible. Many years, I would say no.

If by viable do you mean: do I think she will make a good senator? Or be a good standard bearer for Republicans or the GOP? I'm very skeptical about that. But almost none of these folks do as poorly as I suspect they will before they get elected, so I'll reserve judgement. But I remain dubious of Angle.

I'm even more dubious of O'Donnell, but I don't think she's a viable candidate (I don't think she can win, and not because she's "so conservative" and a conservative can't win in Delaware--I think a bright, articular, charismatic conservative far to the right of Mike Castle could have won that seat). I think she's likely to be a conservative Shiela Lee Jackson, if elected, but I'm pretty sure she won't be.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 27, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis:

It was more like 12BarBlues stalking him, if you ask me, posting how he got banned at The Fix on every new thread.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"A system that everyone pays into that benefits them when they retire. Seems like a conservative way of paying for it." Assuming you make it to retirement. Die before then, get nothing. Die one year or shortly after retirement, get very little.

"And millionaires really don't need to fall back on it when they retire so would rather have it to spend on whatever." I wouldn't limit it to millionaires. Net worth is highest among seniors compared to other age brackets, and it's not because of social security.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | October 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Must we continue to have a fact free debate?

Facts show that illegals have been crossing the border in ever decreasing numbers. A partisan could say...see Obama's ramped up efforts are having an effect....

A pragmatist might say this drop corresponded directly with the drop in our failing economy and the loss of jobs and opportunities.

If you have visited Mexico you will know that there are many incredibly beautiful areas, they have a warm sunny climate with beautiful blue skies..and so why do the illegals cross....duh let's see once again...

Job opportunities drop, illegal immigration drops...could there be a connection? All the danged fences and border patrol are just window dressing if we don't address the root cause of the problem...horrible economy in Mexico...jobs available in the U.S.
Of course we should give Bush credit for helping solve this problem. He crashed our economy so thoroughly that the jobs disappeared and the illegal immigration numbers are down significantly.

And so here is the solution to our immigration problem. Everybody vote Republican every chance you get...Palin/O'Donnell in 2012 Speaker Boner and Senate Majority Leader McConnell.
Given the R record on economics that will do the trick so well that the illegals will not only stop coming here for non existent jobs...the problem will become Mexico's to deal with as the tide reverses and millions of poor Americans have to sneak over the border to Mexico to survive.
Vote R!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 27, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Harry should have added:

"And lastly, she's crazier than an s-house rat."

Posted by: Observer691 | October 27, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

looks like 53-46 Angle

Posted by: Truthteller12 | October 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

well RUK gets close. The problem for Mexico is a truly oppressive government that acts to retain its own power while cementing a caste system of peons and jefes.

America is just the great enabler right now.

Sealing our border and making illegals unwelcome in our country would be the best thing we could do. Why couldn't those folks who live in that sunny climate with the blue sky stay there and make a living? Hmmmm?

If they have no alternative perhaps the people will find the nerve to "alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Nah, its easier to travel to America where the liberals are standing there ready to hand out other people's money, just for the asking.

What a country.

and of course Ms Angle is a viable candidate. She's in the race and the polls have her with a slim lead. I guess the liberal definition of viable is "Agrees with the liberal agenda"

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 27, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"I know young men out of high school who can't find a job but I see illegal immigrants working for verizon and other local companies."

howduyudo, how can you tell people are illegal immigrants by seeing them?

Posted by: carolanne528 | October 27, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"Nah, its easier to travel to America where the liberals are standing there ready to hand out other people's money, just for the asking."

If they're just here taking handouts from liberals, then who's stealing all the jobs?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 27, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I can see that S cat's never been to the 'hood.

Here's how it works in the region I live in now. I'm certain, based on my years on or near the Mexican border that the process hasn't changed since I moved:

The welfare spigot opens for single moms. So we have a lot of single moms. Boyfriend, never husband mind you, "works", single mom "collects" both reside together.

What a country.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 27, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"I can see that S cat's never been to the 'hood."

Please - I grew up on the border.

"The welfare spigot opens for single moms. So we have a lot of single moms. Boyfriend, never husband mind you, "works", single mom "collects" both reside together."

And you know all these people are "illegal" how?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 27, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Exagerrations. After hearing the fat redhead on the View call Angle a "B..ch"
for the 2nd or 3rd time, I WISH I COULD
VOTE FOR ANGLE!
The fat redhead on the view needs to be FIRED. This is totally unacceptable and this is one former viewer who won't be
watching that show anymore.

Posted by: ohioan | October 27, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

@Skip Stick to the health care debate where you have some experience and expertise.

Your views and hyperbole about immigration are illogical and not connected to reality.

You said...."The welfare spigot opens for single moms. So we have a lot of single moms. Boyfriend, never husband mind you, "works", single mom "collects" both reside together."

So then why has illegal immigration dropped precipitously almost in direct proportion to our joblessness? They can still get the "welfare" if that's what was going on...did welfare suddenly become unpopular.

I live in Florida and like you in health care I have some experience seeing immigrants at work...how many were illegal I can only guess but I know how the system works. I used to drive a truck out to the Dairy Farms here in Florida to pick up milk each morning to take to the processing plant. Immigrants do the filthiest of jobs for far below minimum wage. On the farms where they need pickers they provide double wides suitable for four and cram a dozen people into them.
Then they pay less than minimum wage, treat the workers as virtual slaves...and they love the illegals the best because they cannot complain or report the abuse.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 27, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"this is one former viewer who won't be
watching that show anymore."

The fact that you don't know her name completely convinces me that you were a regular viewer.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 27, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

@S'sCat "The fact that you don't know her name completely convinces me that you were a regular viewer."

There you go again you elitest! LMAO

You mean you think a knuckle dragging neanderthal who refers to Joy Behar as "The fat redhead on the view" probably saw the clip on Faux News? Nahhh say it ain't so.
I can't believe he might have heard that kind of descriptiong from the fat bloated drug addict who does his haterade radio show from Florida. Really? You mean this type of person does not fit the profile of a typical viewer of "The View". Hey at least he can separate the "fat redhead" from the black ones. And he probably loves Elizabeth.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 27, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

did I say all, no I didn't.

And I note that you didn't refute my position. You just made an irrelevant comment.

Again, living in the hood proves to me, daily I might add, that the liberal approach is not only a failure but it doing lasting damage to the fabric of our society.

it is hard to accept that people who view themselves as superior to everyone else because of their laudable desire to do well cannot recognize the facts as they stand. Yet the facts are there.

Illegals are just another endangered species that liberals believe to be in need of special treatment.

To me the situation could be resolved by a few simple, but not easy steps. It is critical that we make illegals unwelcome in this country. We must overcome the liberals need to hurl money and solicitude in the general direction of people who are stealing our jobs and wasting our substance. When Mexico has a reasonable government and better prospects for prosperity the illegal problem will fade. We should not be the safety valve that enables massive corruption in elgrande at the cost of lost jobs and misspent entitlements here.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 27, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD2: "It was more like 12BarBlues stalking him, if you ask me, posting how he got banned at The Fix on every new thread."

I can't speak to The Fix, as I wasn't there. It might have justified his behavior re: 12Bar here. But as a random viewer, it looked creepy to me. However, he has been reincarnated as SolarEnergy, so all is well.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 27, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

That's good to hear : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 27, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"And I note that you didn't refute my position. You just made an irrelevant comment."

It's entirely relevant as you claim "illegals" are gaming the system.

"did I say all, no I didn't."

Very well, I'll bite: How do you know any/most/some were illegal?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 27, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse


It is a certainty that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant homes have in that family group at least one unprocessed person, therefore illegal entrant. That anybody can get from the Post Office, Drivers License Department a voter registration or by canvassers of which Acorn had the monopoly of this vulnerable system. Senator Reid has already proved this, by--BUYING--votes for himself, with free food and drink. Other questions should be asked about SEIU union who have a past history of voter fraud, should not be allowed any intimate programming contact with electronic voting machines. or within certain any legal distance near polling sites. Then again, in Orange County Democrats gave illegal aliens the right to prospect for votes in neighborhoods. With majority leader Harry Reid promising-AMNESTY, that any new administration and then--whatever political party is seated--better take note of the public’s fury that the majority of Americans will not sign on to any form of Amnesty whatsoever. IF ANY POLITICAL PARTY OR GOVERNMENT AGENCY HAD ANY TRUE COMMITMENT TO HALTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, THEY WOULD MAKE ILLEGAL ENTRY A CLASS ONE FELONY?

Two Skeletons in Senator Harry Reid's closet: GOOGLE-- In 1998, Reid bought undeveloped land on the edge of Las Vegas for $400,000 in a deal set up by friend and lawyer Jay Brown, whose name has popped up in organized crime probes. In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a company formed by Mr. Brown in exchange for a share in the company. Reid didn't disclose the sale or note his stake in Brown's company. No document exists that proves Reid's stake.Brown fought for and obtained rezoning of the residential property to commercial use. The land was sold for $1.1 million in 2004. Reid reported a personal sale.This is a matter for investigation by the ethics committee, the feds and Nevada. GOOGLE--In November 2005 the Associated Press reported that Senate Minority Leader Reid had accepted tens of thousands of dollars from an Abramoff client, the Coushatta Indian tribe, after interceding with Secretary of the Interior Gail Norton over a casino dis

Posted by: infinity555 | October 28, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Less educated citizens have been programmed to believe that this seventh AMNESTY isn't going to cost the taxpayers--ANYTHING. But ask Robert Rector, Chief analyst at the Heritage Foundation that taxes will go up, to pay the 2.6 TRILLION dollar bill. Slowly this federal government is growing and spreading and we can only hope that the Tea Party candidates will begin reduction in this administration--TAX and SPEND--monstrosity. Yesterday the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals yesterday threw out part of an Arizona law requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, but left standing a section requiring registered voters to present proof of identification to cast a ballot. This at least can divorce most non-citizen voters from casting a vote. This is extremely significant in tight races, when only say 800 voters can have a completely different outcome to who goes to Washington or State assembly.

To be fair, every polling location should have one Democrat and one Republican and an Independent as oversight referees to check for absentee ballots irregularities. This is where the honor system is most weak. With the money wasted by Democrats, Republicans it would be prudent to have a national Voter Identification card, with fingerprint and picture to halt for good any form of spurious voting. Vote for Candidates of the TEA PARTY, as our agenda is to remove the taint of escalating power of an out-of-control government, shrinking its size, reintroduce the instruction of the US CONSTITUTION and return the empowerment of the People from the overzealous and arrogant politicians. Tea Party will conform to the citizen’s referendum and not to the Socialist plan of President Obama and the majority of Democrats.

By the end of this election, illegal aliens will have figured out how easy it is, to check off Senator Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and even Jerry Brown on absentee ballots? This is not just saying Voter fraud is prevalent in the Border States, but every state is equally at risk. Consider the situation that Border States are heavily impregnated with foreign nationals, more so in California, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas. That Senator Harry Reid has promised them some form of mass path to citizenship, if they vote for him in this midterm. Now when illegal aliens have already committed one offense by entering America, so committing a second crime by voting is certainly insignificant to people after the first crime. The fact that potentially filling out a registration forms to vote at home opens a gaping loophole in the voting process.

Posted by: infinity555 | October 28, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

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