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* The Dems' triage continues as the DCCC cancels its ad buys in six embattled districts for the remainder of the cycle, a sign national Dems view these seats as lost.

* Responding to Karl Rove, the White House releases its "enemies list," i.e., a blank index card.

* CNN reports on Rove's false equivalences without challenge.

* Ben Smith notes, rightly I think, that the foreign money had become a distraction from the larger issue of secret special-interest cash swaying our elections.

* Jake Tapper says the Chamber is refusing to do any on-camera interviews.

* Add Republican John Raese, who's running for Senate in West Virgina, to the list of GOP candidates who have come out against the minimum wage: Raese would abolish it altogether.

* Obama's town hall meeting tonight at George Washington University is being live-streamed right here.

* It pays to be running against Harry Reid, no matter who you are: Sharron Angle reports raising a startling $14 million this quarter.

* And Angle's campaign struggles to clean up her Sharia Law mess.

* Chris Coons, a crafty fellow, has figured out that if your opponent wants to stop all of America from having sex and believes mice have been genetically engineered with human brains, it's best to let her self destruct rather than go on the attack.

* People may say they dislike the health reform bill, but they like many of the provisions in the health reform bill.

* Even GOP Rep. Pete King is willing to flirt with criticizing Glenn Beck over alleged gunman Byron Williams' embrace of the talk show host.

* Yeesh, another Sarah Palin?

And what else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | October 12, 2010; 6:47 PM ET
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Comments

"Clever" bit of self-promotion:

"A self-described hardcore hip-hop group from Orange County caused havoc on the southbound 101 freeway near Sunset Boulevard on Tuesday morning when they began performing atop its trailer.

"... According to Liu, witnesses reported the group was playing guitars on top of a truck while blocking three lanes of the freeway.

"... The group, called Imperial Stars, is based in Westminster, according to the band's Facebook page. Their latest song is called "Traffic Jam 101."

http://www.ocregister.com/news/liu-270782-freeway-band.html

Posted by: sbj3 | October 12, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

When Axelrod and Gibbs say they will keep up the attacks on foreign money, what they really mean is Obama is so arrogant he won't admit he is wrong on this issue

The hypocrisy is thick


Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

A cover up of the dire financial straits that Milwaukee County is in, just to give Scott Walker(R), the guy who created the disaster, a chance to win the Governorship in Wisconsin. The head of the committee that decided to not issue the report, until election day, is also the Republican candidate's campaign chairman. Hmmmmmmmmm

Walker has run on the claim that he has been such a great fiscal manager as the Milwaukee County Chief Executive, and that he will do the same for the State Of Wisconsin. He has been campaigning on this claim, while all the while he knew that he has brought Milwaukee to the brink of financial ruin.
http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/noquarter/104647809.html

"Milwaukee County government is in such dire financial shape that state lawmakers should push through legislation that would allow it and other local governments to file for bankruptcy.

That's one of several recommendations included in a super-secret report drafted by the Greater Milwaukee Committee last month. This group of movers and shakers has decided to hold off releasing the details until after next month's election.

But a copy of the report's draft executive summary obtained by No Quarter shows the powerful committee is looking to recommend doing away with the elected county executive's post, slicing county worker benefits and spinning off the zoo, the bus system, the parks and much else under separate commissions.

If these dramatic steps - or something like them - aren't taken county government will collapse, the draft report suggests. In fact, in just six years, the report estimates, the county's pension and health care obligations will eat up every dollar raised through the county tax levy.

"The short-term 'solutions' and one-time 'fixes' have been exhausted," it says. "Without real reform, the County will be forced to eliminate whole areas of service to our community."'

"Michael Grebe, the head of the conservative Bradley Foundation, is chairman of both the Greater Milwaukee Committee and the campaign for Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker, the Republican gubernatorial nominee. Walker is taking on Mayor Tom Barrett, the Democratic nominee."

Posted by: Liam-still | October 12, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

From the rest of the article about Scott Walker:

"But it was Julia Taylor, president of the committee, who recommended delaying release of the report, Grebe said. He then presented it to the full board, which agreed."

"Members of the 32-member committee - composed of business leaders with ties to Republicans and Democrats - decided jointly at their September meeting to sit on the recommendations for a couple of months."

"Mueller added that Grebe has been very careful about not mixing his roles. Besides, Mueller noted, the committee has several members close to Barrett, including lawyer Marc Marotta, a former top aide to Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle, and Jill Morin of Kahler Slater Architects. Mueller said no one used their political affiliations to influence the direction of the draft report."They don't bring politics into that meeting," Mueller said. "They're really focused on, 'How do we get this to happen in the best way possible?'"

Not said in the article, but certainly an issue is that the mostly Democratic board routinely overrides Walkers veto's of increased spending. And from today's Journal Sentinal:

"With an eye toward the post-election environment, an angry Milwaukee County Board Chairman Lee Holloway warned Tuesday he would fire county staffers who show disrespect to the County Board if he becomes interim county executive."

Holloway is a Democrat, in case you are wondering.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/104785759.html

Posted by: Bailers | October 12, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to think that sbj is feeling more than a little foolish about giving $ to Angle seing as how she doesn't know her "Frankfort" from her frankfurters.

But, I guess I'd be wrong about that...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 12, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Grebe is Scott Walker's Campaign Committee Chairman. I am not about to take his word for what the Democrat did or said. The fact that he tried to speak for her, is a dead give away.


Scott Walker(R) has been going around Wisconsin bragging about what great shape he has put Milwaukee county in, while all the while he knew that there was a detailed report being kept from the public, that revealed that the exact opposite to what Scott Walker has been claiming, is the real truth. The report clearly reveals that Scott Walker has brought about the financial ruin of Milwaukee County.

Scott Walker has been lying and lying, to the voters of Wisconsin, about what shape he has left Milwaukee County in.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 12, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

elscott (from a previous thread):

"Frankly? Yes, that pretty much sums it up."

Kudos for your honesty, if not for your hubris. It is rare that someone is
so upfront about their utter contempt for such a significant swath of the
citizenry.

"Do you believe what these people say?"

Not always, but then again I don't believe much of what Obama says either.
That doesn't mean that I think only manipulated ignoramuses could be
Democrats.

"I would refer you back to rukidding's..."

ruk didn't really demonstrate or explain how the Tea Partiers are being
manipulated, unless you strangely think that providing transportation to a
protest constitutes "manipulation" of people. He did suggest that some of
the coverage of the events had been manipulated, but that is not the same
as manipulating the people to actually involve themselves.

"I didn't know you were a Tea Partier"

I'm not (although I am sympathetic to some of the concerns they express).
It's just that I don't see any cause to treat them with such elitist
contempt and derision as you do. I suspect that your whole "manipulation"
theory derives simply from the conviction that your own political opinions are
so manifestly and self-evidently correct that only fools or knaves could
possibly have different opinions. Hence the Tea Partiers are necessarily
either fools (most of them) or knaves (the organizers), just as the night
follows the day.

"I do appreciate Ethan's explanation of where you are coming from."

What have you ever seen me say here that would lead you to "appreciate" the
notion that I have "no principles or morals", am only interested in
"profiteering", or am supportive of "massive fraud" of any kind? I am
genuinely interested.

I suspect that in fact this is simply yet another manifestation of your own contempt for anyone who dares to disagree with your obviously correct political opinions. Afterall, the only thing you really have even the slightest bit of knowledge about with
respect to me is my politics (which do not agree with yours).

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 12, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

@chuck: My whole point in giving money to Angle was to point out Greg's unfairness in constantly pushing Reid's preferred narrative. She'll probably lose but now at least she has enough money - even with the Sargents of the world - to make it a fair fight. (I wonder how much of Angle's money came from small donations versus Reid?)

It's completely beyond me how anyone on either side of the aisle could support Harry "Negro dialect" Reid.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 12, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama knew about the FRAUD by bi banks in foreclosures

Numerous stories have told that several groups, while discussing the mortgage modification issue with Obama officials, told the Obama officials of the fraudulent documents being used in Court


Obama did nothing. One has to wonder. Why is Obama doing nothing ?

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party claimed to be a movement against Powerful Special Interests and Big Banks having too much influence in DC.

Now that those same Sinister Powerful Special Interests are using Karl Rove and The Chamber Of Con Artists as their beards, while they attempt to install their very own puppet government;

The Tea Party has gone silent. Gee, I wonder; did they all just happen to choke on their teabags, at the same time. Hmmmmmm.

The Tea Party.

A gang of gullible patriots,

Or a gang of dumb Koch-Suckers?

We report; you decide.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 12, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"So the real problem is simply that the GOP is doing a better job of the anonymous fundraising and attack ads that both parties do?"

No, the real problem is that our country has been hijacked by Plutocrats so bold they say the American People don't even have the right to know what the Plutocrats are doing to manipulate our elections.

Posted by: wbgonne | October 12, 2010 3:17 PM
-----

Let's play a little game. Free association. I'll throw out some words and names and you tell me the first thing that comes to your mind.

Buddhist temple, bagman, Al Gore, Chinagate, Johnny Chung, Chinese military service, Bill Clinton, Charlie Trie, defense fund, Chinatown, Hillary Clinton, Norman Hsu, caught red-handed, sentencing.

Now since there was no foreign money involved in the Chamber of Commerce political activities, come back when your hands aren't so filthy. And take a class in obedience to the law.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

It's completely beyond me how anyone on either side of the aisle could support Harry "Negro dialect" Reid.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 12, 2010 7:23 PM
----

Ethan has no problem with actual racists. It's the imaginary kind that give him fits.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Haley Barbour raising millions in Hong Kong for the Republican Party

Posted by: Liam-still | October 12, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Richard Nixon with his big cash slush fund in a White House safe.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 12, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

One has to approach the conservative ideology from the most irrational anti-intellectual view possible, otherwise it makes no sense.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 12, 2010 3:47 PM
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You must have it all figured out then.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

wbgonne posted,
"Senator Mary Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat and critic of the moratorium, said today she won’t release her hold on Obama’s nomination of Jack Lew to lead the White House budget office. Landrieu had said she would delay Senate confirmation of Lew until the moratorium is lifted."
----

Well, what do you know? There are still a few Dems with principle.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington wrote,
"Our Govn't is no longer working for people, it's working for corporations, which is having the result of laws skewing to favor business over labor."

And this after Dems have controlled both houses of Congress for four years. Definitely time for a change.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jake D2, if you're on here, I answered you on the old thread.

Posted by: 54465446 | October 12, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

It's like when Wall Street crashed, they blamed poor minorities.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 2:31 PM
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Who blamed poor minorities? Is there one single problem facing this country that cannot be chalked up to racism by the loonie left?

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Liam,
Actually, it wasn't Scott Walker (R) that brought Milwaukee County to it's knees. That die was cast in 2000 with former County Exec Tom Ament (D) put in place lavish pensions and set Milwaukee on a path for future fiscal ruin.
Or ask the Democratic board that continually veto's Walkers attempt to right the ship.
But don't take my word for it:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/104194024.html

Posted by: Bailers | October 12, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I find it astonishing that formulaic attack ads persuade anyone, and that both sides are willing to blow huge sums on ads that are dishonest in ways that pharma can only dream of. My preference is just to spare myself the annoyance by avoiding commercial television during the campaign season. But the Giants are headed into the National League championship against the Phillies. Can't miss that, especially if Game #1 is Halladay against Lincecum.

I take comfort in the knowledge that it was for circumstances such as this that God invented the remote control, and gave human kind the sacred mute button.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 12, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I have to laugh at the idea that no one really cares if there are foreign contributions to our campaigns. Imagine an article listing the foreign countries/entities along with their $ contribution.

That list would be on the FRONT PAGE of every newspaper and on every news show.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 12, 2010 2:47 PM
-----

Unfortunately there isn't a scintilla of evidence linking these GOP contributions to foreign governments. A very, very small part of Chamber of Commerce money comes from abroad, so what would be their motive for using that pittance for campaigning when they have so much other money at their disposal? Most of the liberals have already received the memo that explains the idiocy of this line of attack, so now they're just whining about full disclosure.

If you want to find people who'd willingly sell out their country for foreign campaign contributions, look no further than Gore and the Clintons.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama's job performance has been nothing but a national disgrace

Many commenters on this blog do not agree

However the American People agree

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

However the American People agree

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 7:53 PM
+++++++++++++++++++

How about you use a term (such as Tea-merican People) that gives a clearer picture of the group for which you are the One Holy Annointed Spokesprophet? Thanks.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 12, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I take comfort in the knowledge that it was for circumstances such as this that God invented the remote control, and gave human kind the sacred mute button.

Posted by: bearclaw1
___________________________

And thank goodness for DVR's and Netflix.

Posted by: Bailers | October 12, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington wrote,
"Our Govn't is no longer working for people, it's working for corporations, which is having the result of laws skewing to favor business over labor."

Brigade wrote, And this after Dems have controlled both houses of Congress for four years. Definitely time for a change."

Nope. Solution is to clean up the campaigning. No more soliciting donations from individuals and PAC's. It corrupts.

and...

It's like when Wall Street crashed, they blamed poor minorities.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 2:31 PM
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Brigade wrote,

Who blamed poor minorities? Is there one single problem facing this country that cannot be chalked up to racism by the loonie left?"

I could do a Google search and find just about every conservative commentator at one point or another pointing to the CRA as a cause for the collapse.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Rove, Gillespie and others wouldn't be setting out so vigorously on damage control if they weren't anxious that this story hurts them and their electoral hopes.
---------------------------
If there is nothing there, the Republicans can sit on this story until the precise right moment, and then disclose their domestic donors. Right?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 12, 2010 5:22 PM
-----

You might want to check the law. Then ask yourself why Dems are campaigning on this instead of the issues that actually resonate with the voters.

Was it Perot who once said the secret to his success was hiring people who were smarter than him? A non-secret of building a successful business is you hire good people and pay them what their worth.
If some of your employees are doing a very poor job and they're hurting your business, how do you respond?

Many of the same people who seem to understand why Republicans were shown the door in 2006, can't understand why, after four years of failure, two years of Obama, a struggling economy and 10% unemployment, someone like me would say ENOUGH! and look for some new employees. I don't necessarily have to know the job inside and out myself to know when it's not being done right. I don't want excuses and "give us more time and we'll get it right", I want a change.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Classic777, how many accounts you got on here? 3, 4?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

ScottC3 wrote,
"That doesn't mean that I think only manipulated ignoramuses could be
Democrats."
----

But it does seem to make it a lot easier.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

"You might want to check the law. Then ask yourself why Dems are campaigning on this instead of the issues that actually resonate with the voters."

I'd say there are multiple factors at play with this strategy.

1) Encourage donations to fight against the right wing flood of money.

2) Turn independents against Republicans. Only partisan Republicans are fine by this (see your and other conservative defenses of CoC actions)

3) De-legitimize Republicans victories. If they win, the only reason they did is because of hidden donations by radicals like the Koch brothers.

4) Discourage some donors to right wing orgs that may get skittish fearing their donations might one day become public.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I could do a Google search and find just about every conservative commentator at one point or another pointing to the CRA as a cause for the collapse.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:04 PM
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Which CRA? The Civil Rights Act?

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Bearclaw

Nice name. Howver this blog is far from representative of the American People.

The people on this blog routinely miss the point. The economy is the most important issue.

There is no reason to defend Obama anymore. Obama is a liar. Obama has shown extreme disrespect to the American People by trying to continue to DECEIVE the people who put him into office

Obama deserves to be fired

If one of your employees lied to you and then tried to deceive you, there would be no question that they should be fired.


Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

The Community Reinvestment Act

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

And thank goodness for DVR's and Netflix.

Posted by: Bailers
++++++++++++++++++

I am what is known as a "last adopter" of technology. No DVR. I suppose I'm contributing to unemployment in China, but so be it.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 12, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Scott said: "It is rare that someone is
so upfront about their utter contempt for such a significant swath of the
citizenry."

Perhaps not so rare. Could you speak to us a bit on the topic of liberals?

Posted by: bernielatham | October 12, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey SaveTheRainforest, I mean Classic777, did your other account get banned or something?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

3) De-legitimize Republicans victories. If they win, the only reason they did is because of hidden donations by radicals like the Koch brothers.

4) Discourage some donors to right wing orgs that may get skittish fearing their donations might one day become public.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:13 PM
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3 and 4 are right on the money. But I don't see how that saves Dems in November 2010.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I am what is known as a "last adopter" of technology. No DVR. I suppose I'm contributing to unemployment in China, but so be it.

Posted by: bearclaw1
_________________________________

I'm now obliged to call you a communist, and ask if you want the terrorists to win.

Posted by: Bailers | October 12, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

The Community Reinvestment Act

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:15 PM
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I don't see how thinking that CRA was a contributing factor is blaming it on poor minorities. If people are blaming poor minorities for the 2008 economic meltdown, then they are certainly misguided---maybe Ethan really does have something to worry about.

Posted by: Brigade | October 12, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it'll help much in this election. Maybe only on the margins in a couple races. Places where 1% might be the diff. Maybe discourage some indies from showing up to the polls. Discourage any further donations. Start a national dialog on anonymous donations from outside sources.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Re the Chamber of Commerce refusing to do interviews...

That's really in the mode of Palin, Angle, Paul etc etc, isn't it? And the modern conservative base will find the decision both justifiable and proper. Because of how the non-conservative media has been, for them, defined.

But they will speak through FOX, won't they? That is pretty much 100% guaranteed.

This bifurcation of media/news is a much more serious problem for your society and politics than most people recognize, I think. It not merely reflects divisiveness but promotes it. Harder and harder to imagine how this is going to end up happily.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 12, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Is it racist to HOLD BACK criticism of Obama????

Is that why the democrats insist on backing up the deceptions and lies of Obama?

Is it because Obama is black, the democrats refuse to be critical of him. This is RACIST

Well

When the democrats start acting and talking in a post racial way. Talking about Obama the same as if he was white, that is when the democrats can start to be taken seriously again. Otherwise the American People can see clearly that the democrats have NOT met the standards they themselves have set.

Everyone knows the are not treatiing Obama equally.

In order to heal, the nation needs a PostRacial impeachment of Obama


Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Bailers,

No teevee at all at the tao house. I guess that makes me a Whig.

bearclaw: Don't give in...never surrender!

Posted by: tao9 | October 12, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Classic777,

I don't think there is such a thing as a blog that is "representative of the American People," if by that term you really mean all of the American people. And anyone -- liberal, conservative or in-between -- who purports to speak for the "American People" is as loony as people who purport to speak for God.

And I agree that the economy (in my opinion, not the opinion of the "American People") is the most important issue.

From there, we part ways.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 12, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Clearly partisan motives can not explain all the motivation behind how the democrats defend Obama. There must be racism involved

If one changes what one would say about Obama's policies on account of Obama being black, that is racist.


This racism must end.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"This bifurcation of media/news is a much more serious problem for your society and politics than most people recognize..."

"your" society?

hmmm...

Posted by: tao9 | October 12, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

@Mike

Technically, it wasn't the CRA that forced Fannie and Fred to increase minority ownership goals - the mandates actually came from HUD.

But to assert that social engineering had nothing to do with the housing bubble completely flies in the face of the evidence, not to mention common sense; and to claim that anyone who points this out is a racist is the equivalent of using a hammer as a screwdriver.

Posted by: sold2u | October 12, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

tao9,

Not much risk that I will give in on the DVR thing -- there isn't enough on television that I would care to record.

And congratulations on being TV-free.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 12, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

@tao - Yes, interesting, isn't it. I've noted myself that I use "us" or "you" variably and that when my noggin is more negative is when I go with "you". My citizenship is still Canadian and though I have a green card (the fools!) I have no need nor desire to change that. No particular loyalty to that nation but no particular loyalty to this one either. The Seventh Galactic Confederacy is another matter however and I would die for them or at least offer up my firstborn male child.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 12, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The housing bubble had everything to do with overzealous high end investors looking to perpetuate the bubble and zero to do with the CRA.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

B,

Noted. Just always figgered you were a dual. There are more than a few knockin' around from whence I hail, mostly hockey guys that married Yankee gals.

Interesting.

Posted by: tao9 | October 12, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

@Mike,

Technically you are correct, but only because it was HUD holding the minority home ownership hammer of FNM and FRE, not CRA.

But otherwise, no.

Posted by: sold2u | October 12, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

yes. It is becoming clear that many democrats prefer to overlook the deceptions and lies of Obama

This is racism at it's worst

When the democrats start speaking honestly about Obama, maybe the nation can heal. Until then the democrats are causing a severe division in this country. And they are being racist about it.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Good god! I just got wind of this Washington Post piece from Perkins...
http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2010/10/christian_compassion_requires_the_truth_about_harms_of_homosexuality.html

What the hell is going on at this paper?

Posted by: bernielatham | October 12, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse


It is clear that Obama is so desperate, they will try to provoke some racial controversy before the election

This will be done in a lame attempt to rally the base

It is a risky move because most of the American People ate onto Obama and his pathetic uses of false charges of racism

Clearly the ONLY person who should be investigated for foreign money is Obama

Watch for Obama's allies to try to start a racial controversy. And for Obama to rush to the controversy. My guess it will backfire

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Tao - my daughter has dual as her mom (my first wife) was a yank like this present one. Not sure what nationality I'll choose for number three when this one passes mysteriously.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 12, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Interesting. Politico piece details the civil war in the Nevada GOP...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43491.html

Posted by: bernielatham | October 12, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is now a high-wire political act

Each trial balloon of an issue which doesn't increases the pressure on the democrats and increases the likelihood Obama will come crashing down

The democrats are far better off without Obama When will that clear calculation be made ?

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

From the Citizens United ruling. I really don't understand how any citizen with one vote only can claim the court was correct in this. Why did the Disclose Act fail? And then why has the middle class fallen further and further behind? And why are individual citizen on this blog defending the shadow funding of elections? This should be about as non-partisan as any question or issue before us.


"this court now concludes that independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption. That speakers may have influence over or access to elected officials does not mean that those officials are corrupt. And the appearance of influence or access will not cause the electorate to lose faith in this democracy."

Posted by: lmsinca | October 12, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

At some point the democrats will realize Obama us dragging them down so much it would be a good idea to call fir his resignation

Before then Obama will try to provoke some fake racial controversy in an effort to rally the base

When the American People see through this charade, the democrats will be ready to abandon Obama and call for him to resign

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Let Me Be Clear

The WHOLE WORLD RIGHT NOW is looking at a hole in the ground

And they are waiting for a person to come out of that hole

You would think they were waiting for a Martian.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Classic/STRF reminds me of the religious fanatic that stands in the town square in olden times, preaching endlessly with a wild eyed look in his eye, staring down individuals that walk by him as though they are the target of his scorn.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 12, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Imsinca

That quote refers to the standards established in a 1970s campaign finance case. I think it was Butler

Meaning the standard for restrictions on money has to be the potential for corruption to individual candidates

Apparently they are saying that paying for an ad on an independent basis does not have that same level of potential for corruption


I say get ALL money out of politics.

Pass a Constitutional Amendment.


Remember Obama refused to have a level playing field in 2008. He has zero credibility on campaign finance reform because Obama destroyed the only part of campaign reform that was working prior to 2008


Obama has nothing to complain about after spending $700 million

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

If McCain had a $700 Miilion to $87 million avantage in 2008, McCain would have won

That is why Obama is being such a vicious and hideous hypocrite in this issue

How can Obama complain about $50 million after that?


But for Obama to complain that something is not fair or not right after what Obama did in 2008 to trash the campaign finance system

The democrats have NOTHING to complain about.

It is hypocritical to complain but then remain silent about what Obama did. The democrats are worthless. They deserve to lose the election this year.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama has nothing to complain about.

Seriously. This issue is ANOTHER DECEPTION by Obam


Roll Call. Do you democrats support Obama attempting to deceive the American People ?


This is your crucible democrats.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

lms,

1st things 1st: Hi! How you been?

OK, now...

"Why did the Disclose Act fail?"

Some, mind you, conjecture:

It would be, as written, eventually shot down by SCOTUS, so it was recognized bi-partisanly (sic?!?) as a fools legislative errand. This case would have come up: NAACP v Alabama. Bad optics, as they say.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP_v._Alabama

More importantly, there was a ban on speech by TARP receivers and entities receiving $50K+ in fed contracts. The public unions and the folks at GE, et.al. disliked this very much. A carve out for Dem allies would have been also bad optixz.

I think inside-baseball DC Dems (aka allies of an AR power couple, who really, really don't like the senior NY Senator; Did I mention really?) killed this bill.

My final thought is
The DISCLOSE acronym's
So sophomorically lame,
The vacant robot VanHollen
Couldn't handle the shame.

Which makes the current attempt to conjure up an issue by IDreamOfJeannie, oops I mean Axelrod, so much the more pathetic.

Posted by: tao9 | October 12, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

C777

Ban Yourself.

In Your Pants!!! (h/t Liam)

Posted by: tao9 | October 12, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

For anyone out there interested in the foreclosure mess, below is a link to a five part series that really explains it in layman's terms (good for me) and discusses some of the ramifications and possible consequences. Also Yves Smith at nakedcapitalism has been following the story very closely. There are also lots of great links in the series.

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"What’s the worry here? Well many of these mortgage originators were fly-by-night shops, shady enterprises that collapsed the moment they hit trouble. And many of them cut corners and one of the corners they may have cut would have been to send the note to the trust. Specifically, there is worry that many mortgage originators never sent the notes to the depositors. Originators wanted volume to get fees and may not have done all the paperwork correctly. There are a lot of things that have to end up in the trust when I take out a mortgage, things like the note, title insurance, supporting documents. But the note is the most important.

Why is this important? Well the trustees usually sign several certificates saying that they have verified all the documentation in these trusts. Many of these trusts are under New York trust law which is particularly clear and strict when it comes to these matters."

http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/foreclosure-fraud-for-dummies-1-the-chains-and-the-stakes/

Posted by: lmsinca | October 12, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

@c777: campaign reform that was working prior to 2008

Was that the campaign system that allowed Kerry to be swiftboated by independent groups with no recourse, (because he was limited on what he could spend before the general election)? Is this the campaign system that allowed bush pioneers to bundle payments from rich donors and funnel that money into his and other repub campaigns? Obama walked through the door that Bush opened in 2004... Presidential campaign spending is as flawed as congressional election spending, and will get worse with citizens united. Just another of the blame Obama first crowd...

Posted by: srw3 | October 12, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

It occurred to me tonight that those crazy people that used to be telling everyone about the brain clouds that sneak up on you and getcha...those people are no longer out in the cold, often rainy, parks of our nations.

They're on these internets.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 12, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Hi tao, fine thanks how about you? Great TV tonight, Whitman/Brown debate, baseball and they just brought the first and youngest miner up after 68 days. Amazing. American ingenuity made it possible. They brought one of our guys back from Afghanistan to work on it in conjunction with other geologists and engineers. They left the site to let the Chilean people celebrate and work the rescue and are themselves watching it on TV. Glad to see our education system is still functioning on some level.

Anyone out there with young children or grandchildren, science, science, science and of course math. I'm working on my grandkids now.

Thanks for your take on Disclose. Now I'll have to delve deeper, thanks a lot. And, BTW, ugggghhhh, Schumer.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 12, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Heh,

Insty brings the irony.

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/107829/

Not to compete with Ethan or STRF,

FIRST MINER IS UP AND OUT IN CHILE!!!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 12, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone out there with young children or grandchildren, science, science, science and of course math. I'm working on my grandkids now."

Don't forget "GoodNight Moon." Highly recommended by the 22month redhead lit critic.

Posted by: tao9 | October 12, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

"Don't forget "GoodNight Moon." Highly recommended by the 22month redhead lit critic."

Of course, everyone from 4 to 40 here is working on their Christmas Amazon wish list so Grandma knows what books to buy. I'm working on mine as well.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 12, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

My my my. 37th lasted for less time on the Plum Line than he did on the Fix. Unfortunately, he's as pernicious as a Knidd and as difficult to get rid of as a bed bug.

On topic. I'd say there's two big events out of Google. The headliner of today is the big investment in a transmission line for east coast off shore wind power. This could be big. Longer term, but possibly as big, is the work on the autocar. Imagine getting rid of tens of thousands of deaths per year and a more rational rush hour. Not to mention the bastage who drives up the turn lane and cuts in at the last moment.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 12, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

"They're on these internets."

Must be why I avoid parks, street corners and the internet on occasion, for my own sanity. JK about the parks.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 12, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Srw3

No the presidential find campaign finance system. Which insured a level playing field for Presidential candidates

Obama lied. First he said he was in. Then Obama went back on his word

The result was a 700 million to 87 million UNFAIR advantage for Obama

If a democrat can't see that problem there is something seriously wrong with you

The democrats have nothing to complain about.

At this point the democrats ate supporting Obama's attempts to DECEIVE the American people again

The American people want to get rid of the LIAR democrats. What part of that do you not understand ?

Posted by: Classic777 | October 12, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

“Could you speak to us a bit on the topic of liberals?”

Sure, if you are really interested. Although if you were simply trying to insidiously advance the notion that I hold liberals in contempt for their liberalism, it’ll suffice to say that, not surprisingly, you haven’t the slightest idea what you are talking about.

Let me know which it is.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 12, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I take comfort in the knowledge that it was for circumstances such as this that God invented the remote control, and gave human kind the sacred mute button.

Posted by: bearclaw1

bearclaw1, I really enjoy your sense of humor. Wish there were a "reply to" button or something similar to make the back and forth easier.

And bernielatham, I got wind of and read the Perkins piece earlier today. I hated it, but took heart in the comments that were almost unanimous in condemning it.

And lmsinca, I watched the first Chilean miner being brought up just a little while ago. It was wonderful, wasn't it? I agree, science and math are important, but don't discount the importance of history and lit. if you want educated voters.

Posted by: carolanne528 | October 12, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

If STRF ever met a FACT maybe people would take him seriously, although his reputation is completely ruined at this point. From the Federal Election Commission:

Total 1689.9 (all are in millions)
Democrats 1080.7
Obama (D) 748.2
Republicans 609.2
McCain (R) 353.5
Clinton (D) 228.4
Romney (R) 105.5
Giuliani (R) 59.9
Edwards (D) 48.2
Paul (R) 34.5
Thompson, F (R) 23.4
Richardson (D) 22.5
Huckabee (R) 16.1
Dodd (D) 15.3
Biden (D) 11.9
Tancredo (R) 6.4
Kucinich (D) 5.5
Brownback (R) 4.3
Hunter (R) 2.9
Thompson, T (R) 1.2
Cox (R) 1.1
Gravel (D) 0.7
Gilmore (R) 0.4

Posted by: lmsinca | October 13, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Not one democrat is willing to say that Obama's deceptions are wrong

That goes directly to the quality of one's character


Martin Luther King was a Republican for a reason.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca

General election numbers please


Obama spent 105 million in the first two weeks of October 2008

Again you are attempting to deceive

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Carolanne, I agree all subjects are important, I even raised a couple of really fine artists. I recall though my daughter's struggles and in some cases downright discouragement from certain quarters to follow her scientific bent. Luckily for her, she pursued it and wouldn't take no for an answer. Also, she'll be the one making the most money in the family. :>)

Posted by: lmsinca | October 13, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca

Obama and the democrats are the only ones who have tried to steal our democracy from us


They have also tried to steal our economy from us too. With their 1.3 trillion dollar defecit. And their massive deficits in their health care bill

It really is a national disgrace

The country agrees with me.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

FACT from FEC on Oct. 27, 2008, GENERAL election for President of the USA.

In Your Pants/ht liam & tao

Obama: 745m
McCain: 368m

Posted by: lmsinca | October 13, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

imsinca

First. Obama is complaining about $50 million this year. When his numbers were far greater than that in 2008


Second. Check you numbers again


Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

@ srw3 - Ultimately, I'm unconvinced by the effectiveness of the swift boaters. He took on a sitting president at a time of war and pretty much fought him to a draw. It's less a matter of the attack and more a matter of the response. Clinton proved that.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 13, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Educate yourself. From the campaign finance institute. FACT

http://www.cfinst.org/Press/Releases_tags/10-01-08/Revised_and_Updated_2008_Presidential_Statistics.aspx

Posted by: lmsinca | October 13, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Night all!!!!!!

Posted by: lmsinca | October 13, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca

McCain was in the campaign finance system. That was $87 milllion.

The fact is Obama promised be would be in the system. Then Obama went back on his word

Given the importance of campaign finance issues, that proved that Obsma was full of it on his Change promises

Obama has zero credibility on this issue. And if a democrat can not be honest enough to agree on theses basics, that person has zero credibility as well


It is time fir the democrats to figure out a way to dump Obama before he does more damage to the economy.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca

McCain was in the campaign finance system. That was $87 milllion.

The fact is Obama promised be would be in the system. Then Obama went back on his word

Given the importance of campaign finance issues, that proved that Obsma was full of it on his Change promises

Obama has zero credibility on this issue. And if a democrat can not be honest enough to agree on theses basics, that person has zero credibility as well


It is time fir the democrats to figure out a way to dump Obama before he does more damage to the economy.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca runs after he tried to blur the facts


A freshman Senator raises $700 million dollars. Something is wrong. Everyone didn't just fall off a turnip truck

In addition didn't Obama take almost $990 thousand from BP. Now Obama is complaining about foreign money?


It's a joke. Get rid of all the democrats and the nation will be better off.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca runs after he tried to blur the facts


A freshman Senator raises $700 million dollars. Something is wrong. Everyone didn't just fall off a turnip truck

In addition didn't Obama take almost $990 thousand from BP. Now Obama is complaining about foreign money?


It's a joke. Get rid of all the democrats and the nation will be better off.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca runs after he tried to blur the facts


A freshman Senator raises $700 million dollars. Something is wrong. Everyone didn't just fall off a turnip truck

In addition didn't Obama take almost $990 thousand from BP. Now Obama is complaining about foreign money?


It's a joke. Get rid of all the democrats and the nation will be better off.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 1:03 AM | Report abuse

My highlighting this story is probably some form of "propaganda". The story itself is, I'm sure, entirely neutral. With that out of the way, Barry is going to give a speech in Mumbai post mid-term election. The final paragragh of the article is perhaps the most interesting:

"The U.S.-India Business Council, formed in 1975 to advance commercial ties between the world’s two largest free-market democracies, is hosted under the aegis of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the world's largest business federation representing more than 3 million businesses and organizations of every size, sector and region."

He's going to cancel right?

http://www.indusbusinessjournal.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications::Article&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=15A62385BD5F40F7A7043601CD39181E

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 13, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca runs after he tried to blur the facts


A freshman Senator raises $700 million dollars. Something is wrong. Everyone didn't just fall off a turnip truck

In addition didn't Obama take almost $990 thousand from BP. Now Obama is complaining about foreign money?


It's a joke. Get rid of all the democrats and the nation will be better off.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

This issue is horrible for Obama

No one likes a cheater. Obama cheated in 2008.

Now Obama is highlighting that he chested in 2008


That is stupid

Obama's lack of character is really getting ugly to watch.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

This issue is horrible for Obama

No one likes a cheater. Obama cheated in 2008.

Now Obama is highlighting that he chested in 2008


That is stupid

Obama's lack of character is really getting ugly to watch.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

srw3 wrote,
"Was that the campaign system that allowed Kerry to be swiftboated by independent groups with no recourse"
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Kerry didn't need recourse. The media came to his defense. Lots more free air time defending Kerry than paid air time attacking him. Fortunately, the voters saw through the media bias.

Posted by: Brigade | October 13, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

It occurred to me tonight that those crazy people that used to be telling everyone about the brain clouds that sneak up on you and getcha...those people are no longer out in the cold, often rainy, parks of our nations.

They're on these internets.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 12, 2010 11:23 PM |
----

Is this your way of coming out?

Posted by: Brigade | October 13, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Non-bailout federal spending has increased over 20% in two years of Obama.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/249548/deficit-fy-2010-nearly-13-trillion-veronique-de-rugy

But Krugman and the left claim it hasn't increased enough, that the claim of growth in government spending is a complete "myth."

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 13, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

@Brigade: "Kerry didn't need recourse. The media came to his defense. Lots more free air time defending Kerry than paid air time attacking him. Fortunately, the voters saw through the media bias."

Also, Kerry was a bad candidate. He couldn't have looked and acted more like he should have been rolling up his limousine next to his neighbor's limousine and asking for some Grey Poupon if he tried. He was the very stereotype of northeastern limousine liberalism. George W. Bush may have been a cowboy, but it shouldn't be surprising more folks voted for the Marlboro Man than voted for Thurston Howell the 3rd.

Which goes to my point--egregiously fawning media coverage or oodles of money spent in advertising does not make up for week or demotivating candidates, and neither thing will talk people into believing a bad economy is good.

Re: bernie and brain clouds. Bernie is a very smart guy, and I'm sure he appreciate the irony of critiquing others for belief in sometimes strange and outlandish conspiracy theories. Although, rather than "brain clouds", I think Bernie's more prone to warn us of "Koch clouds".

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 13, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Kevin:

"I'm sure he appreciate the irony..."

Wanna bet?

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 13, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

@FairlingtonBlade: "Ultimately, I'm unconvinced by the effectiveness of the swift boaters."

They were preaching to the choir. If there was more than .01% of the people won over by the swift boaters who weren't already pre-disposed to believe them (I read the book, and didn't find it particularly compelling, and found the whole argument of what Kerry did 30 years ago as having a bearing on his candidacy in 2004 kind of stretching it).

It might have done damage if there was more there "there", but nothing in the swiftboaters allegations were as problematic as the candidate himself (what with his early, anti-war testimony that appears to have largely been made up or 3rd hand, throwing somebody else's medals over a fence as a sign of protest, voting for the war before he voted against it, etc).

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 13, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/the_morning_plum_110.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 13, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Kevin

What Koch brothers cloud? Did you mean the million dollar one sitting over CA? We're actually more like Texas than people think, we don't appreciate outsiders (Texas oil men) trying to influence our environmental policy.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 13, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

"We're actually more like Texas than people think, we don't appreciate outsiders (Texas oil men) trying to influence our environmental policy."

Except that only California has tried to dictate policy to the rest of the country. Expect some push back.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 13, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

The Swift Boat Vets crystallized something that rang very false about Kerry to just about everyone but hard-core Dems from the moment the pompous oaf stepped to the podium and said "reporting for duty."

He was incredibly stupid for positioning his campaign that way without considering the likely backlash in view of his sordid post-Vietnam history starting with Winter Soldier. Did he really think no one would bring that up, that all the other vets would have forgotten his slanders and betrayals? He tried to run as a super patriot but looked like a phony.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 13, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Actually, my twin brother was travelling in Europe in the last sixties and was alerted by an anxious Belgian fellow to brain clouds. You turn a corner - could be anywhere - and the cloud slips over you from behind, smothering the brain. Uncertainty and confusion, the fellow warned, was how you knew such a cloud had overtaken you. My brother promised to show appropriate caution in the future. And he has. Immediately upon his return here, he became a conservative, recognizing that this was the only surefire way in which he would never suffer confusion nor uncertainty.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 13, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"Except that only California has tried to dictate policy to the rest of the country."

Hey the rest of you can follow us or not and the assertion that our policies effect the cost of autos in the rest of the country has been thoroughly debunked, if that's what you're saying. Our Federal waiver doesn't give us permission to adversely affect everyone else.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Looking first at the regulation’s potential impact on out-of-state consumers, the vehicle emissions standards’ reliance on fleet-wide averages—rather than vehicle-specific mandates—allow manufacturers to meet California standards without having to make modifications across product lines, minimizing the impact on out-of-state consumers. Manufacturers do not have to build new “California cars.” Instead, they can comply by altering the mix of car models sold in a jurisdiction. Even for 2009 model-year cars—2009 being the first model year to which California’s regulations were scheduled to apply—most leading automobile manufacturers had at least some vehicle models in their fleet that comply with California’s standards. California’s regulations admittedly may increase the cost of less fuel efficient vehicles by altering patterns of production and diminishing economies of scale. However, they should also correspondingly increase the market for high fuel efficiency vehicles, creating additional economies of scale for these vehicles and making them less expensive both in California and in other states."

Posted by: lmsinca | October 13, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

@bernie: "Immediately upon his return here, he became a conservative, recognizing that this was the only surefire way in which he would never suffer confusion nor uncertainty."

There's always one in the family, isn't there?

However, I occasionally suffer confusion, uncertainty, and--now and again--painful bloating. I'm not sure being conservative is quite the panacea your brother supposes.


Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 13, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"and the assertion that our policies effect the cost of autos in the rest of the country has been thoroughly debunked, if that's what you're saying."

lms, even the excerpt you quote proves the contrary. It isn't just cars, either, but pretty much everything. I am not an environmental law expert, but there is no controversy about the fact that California regulations broadly impact manufacturers and the rest of the country. Nor is it just environmental regulations. California's UCL generally has become an arbitrary bludgeon to "regulate" all products and their labelling, advertising, etc., on whatever ad hoc basis best serves the interests of California's plaintiffs' attorneys.

Be a proud progressive and own up to the consequences of the policies you support.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 13, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

qb

I read the quote, and I think it shows how we can balance the need for emission and efficiency standards over the long term by weighing the positive and negative impact of these policies short term. The world is not black and white, and I admit to being a proud progressive. As such I'm not interested in short term immediate gratification when it comes to the environment but long range goals that improve both air and water quality for the generations behind us.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 13, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

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