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* Keep an eye on the money in the final stretch. Chris Cillizza reports that Dems are sinking roughly $1 million each into the Nevada, Colorado and Pennsylvania Senate races, and he has the rundown on which vulnerable House Dems are getting a new cash infusion.

* Media Matters gets its first real-life check from George Soros, after receiving years of phantom Soros checks that only existed in the fevered conservative imagination.

* And Duncan Black gives it up for conservatives who, it turns out, were dead right about Soros and Media Matters all along.

* Darrell Issa's grand plan: If the GOP takes back the House, he'll use his subpoena and investigative power to move America "back to the center right where it exists."

* Rand Paul plans to decide in the next two days whether he will debate Jack Conway again after the Aqua Buddha ad, a decision that will be made entirely based on his own sense of personal honor and will have nothing whatsoever to do with the campaign's internal polls.

* And: Paul leads by five in a new Kentucky poll.

* "Around here": The DSCC keeps up the assault on John Raese, the wealthy GOP Senate candidate in West Virginia, with an ad subtly alluding to his out-of-state links.

* But: Rasmussen has Raese up by seven, which, if true, would be a bit of a reversal of Dem Joe Manchin's "hicky"-fueled momentum.

* Jonathan Capehart doesn't think Thanksgiving at the Clarence Thomas household would be a particularly happy affair.

* Millions of Americans grind their teeth in suspense as Rick Santorum edges closer to announcing whether he'll run for president.

* She's a rock star!!! Gallup finds that only 40 percent of Republicans say a Sarah Palin endorsement would make them more likely to vote for a candidate, versus 49 percent who couldn't give a hoot what she says.

Also: Only 19 percent of independents would be positively swayed by a Palin endorsement, versus 35 percent who would be turned off by one.

* And this has to be one of the funniest Fox chyrons ever:

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What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | October 20, 2010; 6:28 PM ET
Categories:  2010 elections, Campaign finance, Happy Hour Roundup, House GOPers, Independents, Political media, Senate Dems, Senate Republicans  
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Truly fun!

"Karl Denninger, Tea Party Founder, Blasts Palin, Gingrich & 'xxxxxxbag' Tea Party Groups"

Karl Denninger, an original organizer of the Tea Party, is out with a livid blog post blasting current leaders of the conservative movement and the apparent hypocrisy in their views of the economic issues that originally catalyzed its creation.

According to Denninger, "Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, and xxxxxxbag groups such as the Tea Party Patriots" are to blame for the bastardization of a movement that now seems focused on "Guns, gays, God," instead of the Tea Party's original mission: to castigate the federal government for supporting the "rampant theft" of taxpayer dollars that went toward "propping up FAILED private businesses."

Denninger's analysis of the movement now led by former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin and represented by GOP candidates such as Sharron Angle, Rand Paul and Christine O'Donnell is biting:

Tea Party my a $$. This was nothing other than The Republican Party stealing the anger of a population that was fed up with The Republican Party's own theft of their tax money at gunpoint to bail out the robbers of Wall Street and fraudulently redirecting it back toward electing the very people who stole all the ****ing money!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/20/karl-denninger-tea-party_n_770108.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | October 20, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Early voting is now taking place in AK, AZ, AR, CA, CO, FL, GA, HI, IL, IN,IA, KS, LA, ME, MT, NV, NM, NC, ND, Ohio, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, WV, WI,and WY.

--- If you are in any of those states, GO VOTE TODAY or TOMORROW! ---

VOTE INFO:

http://www.vote411.org/

En Espanol:

http://www.rockthevote.com/en-espanol/

Pass it on!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 20, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Rep. Issa, nothing says "center right" quite like "Inquisition."

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 20, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

If you missed it earlier, this is brilliant:

Donald Duck Meets Glenn Beck in Right Wing Radio Duck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfuwNU0jsk0

Posted by: suekzoo1 | October 20, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Spread the word:

ATTENTION ALL IN : AK, AZ, AR, CA, CO, FL, GA, HI, IL, IN,IA, KS, LA, ME, MT, NV, NM, NC, ND, Ohio, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, WV, WI,and WY.


Go vote STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN TODAY OR TOMORROW


Do not wait to register how you feel about Obama and his far-left agenda and his arrogant ignoring of the economic crisis !!

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

54465446 posted this on the prior thread, but it is applicable here too:

"Don't worry Greg. The polls aren't reflecting yet the inroads made by the foreign donors campaign issue among likely voters. This will surely cause heavy participation at the last minute, since it is an issue that hits the wallets of every single American, unlike health care, mortgage foreclosures, Afghanistan, and unemployment.

(yes, this was satire)"

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Greg, what is the status on fixing the troll patrol problem?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | October 20, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Once again Fox displays its contempt for the lower class.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 20, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

bearclaw1:

Don't worry, no one will be subjected to the rack OR suspended from the ceiling by the wrists, which are tied behind the back, sometimes with weights tied to the ankles, with a series of lifts and drops, during which the arms and legs suffered violent pulls and were "sometimes" dislocated ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll be early voting in OH-15 for Mary Jo Kilroy (and other assorted Democrats) in the next couple of days.

;)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 20, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Fox, fair and balanced news for the destruction of the working class in America. Brought to you by an Aussie and plenty of Saudi cash.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 20, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Also, no "burning at the stake" this time around (I prefer my steak medium rare).

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Gee. Rasmussen has the Republican up while other polls don't. Say it isn't so.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Mike said: "Once again Fox displays its contempt for the lower class."

In all sincerity I don't get the 'lower class' reference. What's that mean?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 20, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cizzilla cited another poll earlier that shows Conway up by 2. I don't know anything about the poll and don't have time to check it out; nevertheless, it seems that the race is fairly tight, which makes me hopeful.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/afternoon-fix/afternoon-fix-dem-poll-shows-c.html

Also, Imsinca--I've contributed via this community's ActBlue page to Sestak and Feingold, and separately to my Rep., John Hall, and another Dem hoping to represent us in Albany, NY (which I'm not sure can ever be fixed, lol). My $$ contributions are paltry, but so's my income! I'll be phone-banking for John Hall, so maybe that will help too.

Posted by: carolanne528 | October 20, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The basic truth is the American People do not want Obama's health care plan.

The American People care far more about the economy - which Obama has made a point to ignore. Obama's ego would not let him be distracted by an economic crisis and high unemployment.


The American People want to know that their leaders care about them during an economic crisis - not about their far left agenda, which they believe they have a short window to ENACT PERMANENT CHANGES.


It was the very idea the Obama tried to take a temporary position and turn it into permanent changes that CREEPED OUT AMERICA.


Yes, America is creeped out by the guy - he doesn't know what he is doing - he is unqualified - and somehow Obama WANTS TO TELL US WHAT TO THINK. There must be a way to vote this guy out sooner, rather than later.


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks carolanne, for the dough and for the time you are spending.

I hope we can all follow your excellent example.

I also hope The Rent is 2 Damn High guy gets more votes than Paladino.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 20, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Republicans want to adhere to the constitution, except when it comes to the 14th amendment.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-10-20-citizenship20_ST_N.htm

1 day old, but I haven't seen it mentioned here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Brishon | October 20, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

How is it that the Obama position seems to be that Americans were enlighten in 2008 - but now Americans "just don't understand the numbers and are wrong?"


How could that change in qualities which Americans possess be so different now?


Could it have anything to do with the fact that Obama is not spending $700 MILLION in ads now - and instead someone else appears to have the money-advantage.


Is that the correct analysis ??


Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya and others, please let me know what you see if/when you do early voting.

and sue and carolanne, good to see you here.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 20, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Greg, what is the status on fixing the troll patrol problem?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | October 20, 2010 6:44 PM
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The status is you're soon to be history, troll.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

The "Rent is Too Damn High" guy has not even paid his $800 /mo rent since the 1980s!

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-renttoodamnhigh1020,0,1469787.story

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"An openly gay Iraq War veteran on Wednesday said he was “angry,” hurt and “disgusted” by President Obama’s decision to appeal a court ruling ending the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

"Lt. Dan Choi, who was forced to leave the Army after publicly announcing he was gay in 2009, applied to re-enlist Wednesday. Choi has become the face of the movement to allow gays to serve openly, and he strongly expressed his dismay with the administration in an MSNBC interview.

“I’m angry,” Choi said. “I respect my president. I love Barack Obama. And that is why when I hear him doing these things, I just cannot help but be so disgusted. It’s — it’s really — it’s really hurtful to hear that the president says he wants to get ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ repealed but the courts are doing their job.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/20/gay-soldier-disgusted-by-obamas-action-on-dadt/#ixzz12waWSRgG

Posted by: sbj3 | October 20, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Once again Fox displays its contempt for the lower class.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 20, 2010 6:49 PM
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Try not to take it so personally. You're not the only member of the lower class.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Sue...again thanks for the Donald Duck link.

Don't know if you've heard Beck's response yet or not...it's so pathetic..straight out of the Q.B. hyperbole notebook...Beck in ONE SENTENCE..ONE PHRASE...communists...socialists...union bosses..."dare I say" progressives.

These EXTREME right wing reactionaries like Beck and Q.B. do not have the intellectual heft to actually discuss real issues and so they resort to the most mindless of drivel...hyperbolic descriptions that are THEIR definition of progressives or liberals...so typical..let's all conflate together now..
Communists, Socialists, Union bosses, progressives...all one and the same when you are so weak minded!!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I am going to watch the baseball game.

Try not to be too hard on poor Nelson Muntz Brigade. It is his terrible feelings of inadequacy that makes him strike out at others, just like all pathetic bullies do.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

@SBJ What is your point with that last post.

Is it simply part of your Obama derangement syndrome and you enjoy pointing out ANYTIME someone is disappointed in Obama?

Or as a gay man do you have genuine issues with DADT and the President's lack of fortitude in simply telling the opponents to p*ss off?

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

McWing:

"In all sincerity I don't get the 'lower class' reference. What's that mean?"

I'm guessing it is a reference to the belief that FOX is targeting the "lower class" with "propaganda" because they are the ones dumb enough to be susceptible to it. Which makes one wonder just who it is that is displaying contempt for the "lower class".

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 20, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Carolanne

How does it make you feel to know that your hard-earned money means nothing in a flood of special interest money?

Might as well ban all money in politics


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

@Carolanne....I second BG's thoughts!

THANKS!!! For trying to make a difference.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Just to shed a bit of light on the Anita Hill story (even though it will be ill received in the echo chamber):

"The reason the polygraph is not a lie detector is that what it measures--changes in heartbeat, blood pressure, and respiration--can be caused by many things. Nervousness, anger, sadness, embarrassment, and fear can all be causal factors in altering one's heart rate, blood pressure, or respiration rate. Having to go to the bathroom can also be causative. There are also a number of medical conditions such as colds, headaches, constipation, or neurological and muscular problems which can cause the physiological changes measured by the polygraph. The claim that an expert can tell when the changes are due to a lie and when they are due to other factors has never been proven.

"Furthermore, even the most ardent advocate of the polygraph must admit that liars can sometimes pass their tests. One need only remember the spy Aldrich Ames, who passed the polygraph test several times while with the CIA."

High tech witchcraft for the gullible.

The reason you know Hill is a liar is that only a sack of sh/t would have come forth with a ridiculous story like that when Thomas was up for the Supreme Court. After all he'd done for her, she's going to come out and accuse him of sexual harrasment? Strictly political. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that someone greased her palm and filled her butt in exchange for the whoppers, although we'll probably never find it out. Common sense tell's you that such a contemptible person would certainly lie at the drop of hat. But libs like unsubstantiated allegations. Of course when Bill Clinton, the serial sex predator, was involved, it was all part of a vast rightwing conspiracy, even when it was proven true. Double standards?

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7

There is ZERO honest evaluation of Obama from the democrats - they feel like they have to defend him to the end - or just call people racist.

There are little discussions of his policies - whether the stimulus was written correctly - or about alternate versions of health care.


Don't you get it? Obama doesn't know what he is doing. He has little experience and he isn't qualified. But the democrats continue to follow him like lemmings in a toyota.

Anyway - it is a complete disaster.


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Lmao at ruk's raving. It's so dripping with self parody and contradiction . . . no further comment necessary.

ruk, do you seriously not realize how hilarious what you just posted is? Intentional comedy? (Might not be too late to save face by saying so.)

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Fox news emulating Q.B.

Since Nancy Pelosi has the temerity to point out that the wealth in our nation has been concentrated in the fewest number of people in the past 80 years....how dare she point out that FACT...Fox's conclusion...same as Q.B. She's a SOCIALIST!!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"Hello? Oh, ohhhh...hi again Ethan."
~~~
"Uh, no, I've got to, er, uh, run over to my aunt's."
~~~
"Um, no, I don't think she lives very near the middle school."
~~~
"Vote? Tonight?"
~~~
"For who?"
~~~
"Uh, that guy kind of creeps me out."
~~~
"Well, I know, I guess...but Obama's not even running, I don't think. Is he?"
~~~
"Hey! What? I don't think... sheesh man, Alison's been looking for months, can't even get an interview."
~~~
"Maybe, OK, yeah, I know...I guess...but my health care already went up."
~~~
"What? What chamber? Uh, at this point I...shadowy? Cotch, who's cotch? No...
~~~
"OK, um...allright, soon, if I can get over there...when? Uh, not sure man, I've gotta run Ali's resume over to..."
~~~
"Look! I'm busy, man. If I can I will. Who? I told you he kinda creeps..."
~~~
"OK, uh, OK, hey, HEY! Later, gotta go."

CLICK

Posted by: tao9 | October 20, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS ALERT


A Federal Appeals Court has now granted a stay in the "Don't ask, don't tell" case - meaning that the LAW ESTABLISHED BY CONGRESS can now be enforced.


It also means that ONE closeted Judge can't tell the Pentagon what to do on military policy.


The US has the strongest military in the world - we should be proud of it - and don't mess with success.


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

@Brigade..."The reason you know Hill is a liar is that only a sack of sh/t would have come forth with a ridiculous story like that when Thomas was up for the Supreme Court. After all he'd done for her, she's going to come out and accuse him of sexual harrasment?"

Brilliant reasoning. Wow! Of course the fact that one of Thomas's former paramour's is now ready to publish a book in which she says Hill's claims fit perfectly with Clarence's behavior at the time she knew him makes her a sack of sh6t as well.

So let me see if I follow your "reasoning".
Anybody who says something Brigade disagrees with is a sack of sh&t.
Brilliant I tells ya..just freaking brilliant reasoning.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Things must not be going very smoothly in the Thomas marriage, if Virginia is still gnawing over that long ago event.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

WOO HOO!!! Emergency stay granted and DADT survives (for now ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Down the stretch I would take Rasmussen polls with a grain of salt.

Posted by: maritza1 | October 20, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes, she is a socialist. Except when it comes to her own dough, like all good socialists.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Gee. Rasmussen has the Republican up while other polls don't. Say it isn't so.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2010 6:55 PM
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Did you finally get banned from the Fix? Or your're just here because you agree that the Fix sucks after the format change?

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

You can read Obama's motion (the frivilous opposition) and wonderful order HERE:

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/view.php?pk_id=0000000492

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Jake

I seriously doubt that a Federal Court can create a protected class.


I just don't get the reasoning. If that were possible, there never would have been a debate over the Equal Rights Amendment - and all that -

Compared to the history of the country, that wasn't that long ago.

.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

sbj3,

It is certainly troubling to see the Department of Justice defending DADT. While it is true that USDOJ generally defends the laws that are on the books, the arguments USDOJ must make in opposing the suit are weak and at the same time undercut the Administration's arguments for legislative repeal. Add to all of that the fact that a solid majority of Americans oppose DADT. It is past time to let DADT die.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 20, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

There will be far less bed wetting in Right Wing houses tonight, now that DADT has been restored.

If Bin Laden ever recruits a couple of gay terrorists, all those Right Wing Patriots will drop dead of fright.

Tea Party candidates keep telling their opponents to "man up" when it is their faux men who are scared to death of a few gay people.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Try not to be too hard on poor Nelson Muntz Brigade. It is his terrible feelings of inadequacy that makes him strike out at others, just like all pathetic bullies do.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 7:28 PM
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Did you used to get beat up a lot on the playground? Quit being hateful to others, and I'll quit being hateful to you. Comments like Agent Orange and Dubya and Kervorkian whoever and all of your unflattering remarks about Palin remind me of a politician who self-described himself as a mongrel. Do you think we should just start calling him "the mongrel" when we talk about him? And when you make serious post instead of just snark, you might not get so much snark in return.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I really think that Linda McMahon will win in Connecticut -

I think that is the wildcard race for the Republicans.


The democrats might be trying to save Patty Murray, but Linda McMahon can cancel that out.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

QB1,

Apparently, rukidding is currently tied with Ethan2010 for The Plum Line's annual ALL CAPS award and wants to get her/his average up. The concern is that after 11/2, Ethan will go ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME and win it in a rout. Time will tell.

I personally think rukidding will take the Dripping With Contempt Award in a walk and wonder over the concern about the ALL CAPS category when clearly it's a lesser award.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 20, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

LeafofLife:

I hope so.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Of course the fact that one of Thomas's former paramour's is now ready to publish a book in which she says Hill's claims fit perfectly with Clarence's behavior at the time she knew him makes her a sack of sh6t as well.
------------------------------
Who's the former lover? You have a link?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 20, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Hi Tao.

Not looking very good for The Yankees. I bet your crocodile tears would fill an ocean.

Texas has won all five road games in the playoffs. Very impressive. Yankees might be glad to get back to Texas.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me why liberals think that MRS. Clarence Thomas should have apologized to Anita Hill before this phone call?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

A quiz...who said this...Glen Beck or Q.B.?

"But that ain't the approach of liberalism. The default for liberalism is that no matter how much government interferes and spreads the wealth around, it can't be enough, because that is the life blood of liberal political power. And liberalism can never stop finding new ways to use the tax system to interfere and reengineer and "plan" the economy. Because liberals believe they can plan the economy and make it more just than free markets."

Yes just one of the partisan hyperbolic extreme rants of Q.B. this morning. Is it hard for anybody to imagine those very words coming out of Beck's mouth?

Ah yes PLAN the economy just like a COMMUNIST. Great suggestive language you right wing pig. NO hyperbolic ranting there now is there? Speaking of LMAO!!!!

And again all of this because someone dared to point out the FACT..that since the late 1970's the middle class has been shrinking and wealth has been increasingly concentrated in the top 2% of our country.

Q.B. thinks that is fine..let the rich get as rich as possible and eff the middle class...we can know that he believes this because he has YET to post any solution to the problem (no solutions necessary if you don't see a problem) and labels anybody who even brings this FACT up as a socialist. He has literally done this just as Faux news did this morning with Pelosi. Quick everybody stick their heads in the sand and shut the eff up...no dare talking about how rich the rich are becoming...that's class warfare...the elimination of the middle CLASS...that's not class warfare...that's tough sh*t!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Who's the former lover? You have a link?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 20, 2010 7:53 PM

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5915178/clarence_thomasanita_hill_scandal_exgirlfriend.html?cat=49

"Ex-Girlfriend of Clarence Thomas Talks - Anita Hill Knows the Man She Did

Lillian McEwen came forward and said she wasn't surprised by Virginia Thomas' voicemail to Hill. More than anything, she understands Anita Hill's allegations towards Clarence Thomas.

McEwen is a former Senate Judiciary Committee lawyer dated Clarence Thomas from 1979 through the mid-1980's. She's working on a memoir which details her relationship with Thomas. She claims that her experience with Clarence Thomas was more consistent with Anita Hill's accusations. When the hearings were taking place, it was a national scandal being investigated.

Lillian McEwen said of Thomas, "The Clarence I know was certainly capable not only of doing the things that Anita Hill said he did, but it would be totally consistent with the way he lived his personal life then."'

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Troll,

After long experience with ruk, I'm pretty well convinced that he posts while hammered. Or maybe it's a different issue with "meds." No one who's sentient could otherwise post such blindly self-parodical (is that a word?) and ironic tirades. It's so nutty it really cracks me up anymore.

Ethan will always take the Angriest Young Man hardware home. (Truly a dangerous personalilty, though, and not as amusing as ruk.)

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

According to a transcript of the message from ABC News -- take that for what it's worth -- Mrs. Thomas identified herself and then said, "I just wanted to reach across the airwaves and the years and ask you to consider something. I would love you to consider an apology sometime and some full explanation of why you did what you did with my husband. So give it some thought and certainly pray about this and come to understand why you did what you did. OK, have a good day," Thomas said.

In her follow-up statement, Mrs. Thomas said she did not intend to offend Hill. "I did place a call to Ms. Hill at her office extending an olive branch to her after all these years, in hopes that we could ultimately get passed what happened so long ago. That offer still stands, I would be very happy to meet and talk with her if she would be willing to do the same," Thomas said.

Hill declined comment to reporters who stopped her in Waltham on her way to work Wednesday.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

BTW: Sharron Angle was right ...

http://volokh.com/2010/10/20/islamic-law-in-u-s-courts/#comments

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of sbj, nickel and the other retarded assh0les (you know who you are):

In a debate today hosted by local television station WHYY, Delaware Republican Senate nominee Christine O’Donnell seemed unable to name a single sitting Democratic senator.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/20/o%e2%80%99donnell-dem-senator/

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 20, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

pragmaticstill:

Luckily for her, knowing all of the Senators is not a requirement to actually BE a Senator.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Virginia is the one who needs to let it go. It was stupid of her to resurrect it, unless she is just trying to get ahead of the book that is coming out by a former girlfriend of Justice Thomas, or perhaps Virginia has seen how easily it is to gain a Tea Party nomination, and she is just trying to get the past out of the way, so that the media does not focus on it, when ever she announces that she is running for office.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar...."Who's the former lover? You have a link?"

Sorry don't have a link. Just saw it on the noon news..CNN...the book is yet to be published but when it's released I'm sure this story will be drug up once again to promote the book.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

In a debate today hosted by local television station WHYY, Delaware Republican Senate nominee Christine O’Donnell seemed unable to name a single sitting Democratic senator.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/20/o%e2%80%99donnell-dem-senator/

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 20, 2010 8:08 PM

..................

Seriously? She does not know the name of the other Senator from Delaware, the state she wants to represent, as a US Senator?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

BTW All,

The Exclamation Award is still wide open!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 20, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Liam...thanks for the link...I was writing that last post before I saw your response.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Does Juanita Hill need to just "let it go" that Bill Clinton raped her too?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Please, please stop corrupting the language.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 19, 2010 6:46 PM
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It's always projection with you wingnuts, isn't it?

"Yes, she is a socialist. Except when it comes to her own dough, like all good socialists.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 7:43 PM"

P.S. "Enhanced interrogation"

Tell me again who is corrupting the language?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 20, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"Ah yes PLAN the economy just like a COMMUNIST. Great suggestive language you right wing pig. NO hyperbolic ranting there now is there?"

And yet, strangely, no mention of "communist" or "communism" anywhere in what I said.

Perhaps you should talk to some of your friends like Ethan and lms and Barack, who argue that what we need is for the government to "invest" for us in "growth industries," i.e., the industries they believe should "grow" in the future. Perhaps you should go back and read some of your own posts about how we should emulate China's ecomonic . . . er . . . what's another word for planning . . . how about "industrial policy."

This is economic central planning, ruk. I'm surprised a proud believer in hybrid socialist-capitalism like is ashamed to call it planning. Because that's what it is.

Yet, even though this is a perfectly accurate and factual description of what you and your liberal comrades explicitly advocate, you shriek that it is suggesting you are a "COMMUNIST!"

And again accuse me of hyperbole!

Like I said, it is hilarious stuff. Truly. You are a bona fide nut job who doesn't realize he has a screw or two loose.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Troll...do you EVER post anything that's issue oriented...of course not..you're a troll you're just here to protect your wimpy fellow righties when they get busted...like Q.B.

Just as they say consider the source when receiving a compliment...same holds true for an insult...so when it comes to your praise/snark..whatever...considering the source it's actually worthless.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar...."Who's the former lover? You have a link?"

Sorry don't have a link. Just saw it on the noon news..CNN...the book is yet to be published but when it's released I'm sure this story will be drug up once again to promote the book.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 8:13 PM

Look up a few posts. I provided the link for 12BB.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant reasoning. Wow! Of course the fact that one of Thomas's former paramour's is now ready to publish a book in which she says Hill's claims fit perfectly with Clarence's behavior at the time she knew him makes her a sack of sh6t as well.

So let me see if I follow your "reasoning".
Anybody who says something Brigade disagrees with is a sack of sh&t.
Brilliant I tells ya..just freaking brilliant reasoning.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 7:40 PM
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Now I wonder---do you suppose this paramour may possibly be hoping to make some, er, money with this book? Certainly no one would ever lie for money, especially a liar. Hill's claims "fit perfectly with Clarence's behavior?" LOL. Then I guess that settles it.

I recall thinking at the time that even in the event that Thomas rented dirty movies and made jokes about pubic hairs, I didn't think it should disqualify him for the Supreme Court.

I'd be interested if the names Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broderick, and Paula Jones ring a bell? Would you say the charges they made re Bill Clinton fit his behavior?

"On November 18, 1998, Clinton agreed to an out-of-court settlement, and agreed to pay Jones and her attorneys a sum of $850,000.00. Clinton, however, still offered no apology to Jones and still denied ever engaging in a sexual affair with her."

Just a nice fellow I suppose?

"In 2000 the Arkansas Supreme Court's Committee on Professional Conduct called for Clinton's disbarment, saying he lied about his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

"In January 2001 Clinton reached an agreement under which he was ordered to pay $25,000 in fines to Arkansas state's bar officials and his Arkansas law license was suspended for five years. The agreement came on the condition that Whitewater prosecutors would not pursue federal perjury charges against him. Clinton was suspended by the Supreme Court in October 2001, and, facing disbarment from that court, Clinton resigned from the Supreme Court bar in November."

Lying in a sworn deposition in a case of alleged sexual harassment. What do you think of a dirtbag like that? Do you think he deserved to be the second President in the history of the republic to be impeached? Does in hang on the meaning of the word "is?" Clinton's accusers were all liars but Hill isn't? A President of the United States can be accused of sexual harassment, perjury, and rape, but it's all part of a rightwing conspiracy. The left finds some sleazebag who says Clarence Thomas tells dirty jokes and we're supposed to take her seriously.

Do you see my point, or are you also a liberal apologist (sack of sh/t)?


Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Does Juanita Hill need to just "let it go" that Bill Clinton raped her too?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 8:15 PM |

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So you are claiming that Anita Hill raped Clarence Thomas, or are you claiming that he raped Anita Hill, or are you claiming that Virginia Thomas is claiming that she was raped by Anita Hill?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Juanita Hill = Juanita Broaddrick (darn spellchecker ; )

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/juanita.htm

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

quarterback1 wrote,
"After long experience with ruk, I'm pretty well convinced that he posts while hammered. Or maybe it's a different issue with 'meds.'"
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Or meth.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

At least I knew that the Thomases were MARRIED when Hill testified against him.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

This tells us everything we need to know:

I recall thinking at the time that even in the event that Thomas rented dirty movies and made jokes about pubic hairs, I didn't think it should disqualify him for the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:19 PM

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 20, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Look up a few posts. I provided the link for 12BB.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:18 PM
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I hope there are no pictures. You've indulged in enough self abuse for one day.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I will say that at the time of the Anita Hill testimony, I just did not see what was the point of having her testify.

What she described, if true, made Clarence Thomas sound like a very crude fellow, but did not rise to the level of having done something that would disqualify him from being a judge or justice. As I recall the events; there were several other African American women that worked in the same offices, who testified on behalf of Clarence Thomas, and swore that he never acted like that around them, so since it was just a she said he said, situation, I still feel that it was pointless to have Ms. Hill testify.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Jake

Do you have any thoughts on the "protected class" - I was under the impression that the Constitution or a law had to expressly create a "protected class."


Have the Courts ever created protected classes?

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

@Brigade "I'd be interested if the names Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broderick, and Paula Jones ring a bell? Would you say the charges they made re Bill Clinton fit his behavior?"

ABSOLUTELY. It fit his behavior to a tee.
I am no defender of the Clintons. Unlike you reactionary righties I'm willing to throw any Dem under the bus when they deserve it and Clinton DESERVES IT.

I do not understand his popularity at the moment. When Clinton looked into the camera and said, "I did not have sex with that woman" I took that as a PERSONAL affront. It hacked me off so badly, left such a bad taste that I cast the most ignorant vote of my life...for G.W.'s first term. Of course Iraq and all the other blunders showed me the error of my way but it was too late. To this very day I'll NEVER forgive Bill Clinton for looking me in the eye and lying and in the process leading me to cast the single most embarrassing vote of my life.

Glad you agree with my basic point however.
Where there is smoke there is fire. I have no doubt Thomas did all the cr&p of which he was accused. And ironically like Clinton if he had just come clean I wouldn't have had a problem with his confirmation..although he obviously is not intellectually solid enough to be a Supreme. But I place Thomas' racial rant of "high tech lynching" right up there with "I did not have sex with that woman".
Perhaps the two most odious phrases uttered during my lifetime of watching politics. I guess we'd have to add Tricky Dicky's "I am not a crook" into that competition. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe so.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 20, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I will say that at the time of the Anita Hill testimony, I just did not see what was the point of having her testify.

What she described, if true, made Clarence Thomas sound like a very crude fellow, but did not rise to the level of having done something that would disqualify him from being a judge or justice. As I recall the events; there were several other African American women that worked in the same offices, who testified on behalf of Clarence Thomas, and swore that he never acted like that around them, so since it was just a she said he said, situation, I still feel that it was pointless to have Ms. Hill testify.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:29 PM
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At long last, something we can agree on. But you've just told pragmaticstill everything he needs to know.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

@Q.B. & Brigade....I feel very comfortable on this blog. The people I respect..respect me. You two losers can talk about screws loose and meth all you want because you don't have any facts to back up your EXTREME right wing rants.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

ruk said: "Troll...do you EVER post anything that's issue oriented...of course not..you're a troll you're just here to protect your wimpy fellow righties when they get busted...like Q.B."

All the time. Why, just the other night there was a spirited discussion involving such diverse topics as the late Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley. The modern TeaBagger movement and it's relation to Goldwater/Buckley conservatism of the early '60's. In fact, bernielatham even discussed his, well, should I say "admiration" for Dwight D. Eisenhower and his prowess for writing letters to his brother.

All in all a rather interesting interchange. I'm guessing you missed it because it was reasoned and articulate but missing what all good PL comments have... ALL CAPS and exclamation points!!!!! So it's no surprise it didn't catch your eye. Pity.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 20, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"Troll...do you EVER post anything that's issue oriented...of course not..you're a troll you're just here to protect your wimpy fellow righties when they get busted...like Q.B. "

LMAO! I need protection from you like Reggie White needed protection from Troy Aikman.

More irony, too, given that you showed up to smear me for no apparent reason at 7:26 above. You're not exactly bathing yourself in glory here. Are you drunk?

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

@Q.B. & Brigade....I feel very comfortable on this blog. The people I respect..respect me. You two losers can talk about screws loose and meth all you want because you don't have any facts to back up your EXTREME right wing rants.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 8:35 PM
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What rants exactly? I respect your opinions, but can't I respect you and suspect you're a crackhead at the same time?

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The democrats have really dragged down this blog with their horrible behavior.

Civil discussion has been thrown out the window.

A few months ago, several democrats claimed that they had quality reasoned intelligent conversations on this blog.


WHERE ?


I haven't seen anything approaching that.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Want to see some racist stuff? I just saw this on one of those Republican extremist email lists:

"The administration's collaboration with organized minority blackmail efforts and unilateral expropriation of taxpayer dollars -- without Congressional approval -- is the latest example of Obama's ongoing, stealth campaign of racial reparations."

That was part of one of these Republican emails. The email was about the recent settlement with Native American farmers who won in court after proving that they were discriminated against.

Southern Strategy in FULL EFFECT, people.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 20, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Want to see some racist stuff? I just saw this on one of those Republican extremist email lists:

"The administration's collaboration with organized minority blackmail efforts and unilateral expropriation of taxpayer dollars -- without Congressional approval -- is the latest example of Obama's ongoing, stealth campaign of racial reparations."

That was part of one of these Republican emails. The email was about the recent settlement with Native American farmers who won in court after proving that they were discriminated against.

Southern Strategy in FULL EFFECT, people.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 20, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

At long last, something we can agree on. But you've just told pragmaticstill everything he needs to know.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:35 PM |

...............

Didn't you write earlier today, that no one pays any attention to what I write?

Apparently you do. You must stop stalking me online.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"What she described, if true, made Clarence Thomas sound like a very crude fellow, but did not rise to the level of having done something that would disqualify him from being a judge or justice."

I have seen Liam say far too many conciliatory or reasonable things lately. Let's hope all is well.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the two most odious phrases uttered during my lifetime of watching politics. I guess we'd have to add Tricky Dicky's "I am not a crook" into that competition. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 20, 2010 8:30 PM
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Really? Are you kidding?

Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
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George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
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Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.
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George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
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Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
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George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
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Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
---
George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
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Donald Rumsfeld, US Secretary of Defense at the time of the quote, on Oct. 2, 2003, stated in a Pentagon news conference:

"The bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis -- from oil revenues, recovered assets, international trade, direct foreign investment -- as well as some contributions we've already received and hope to receive from the international community."
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 20, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

BGinCHI and rukidding7:

Thanks! I hope no one thought I was boasting or anything. I just wanted to let like-minded people here know that I'm trying to help and that I appreciate your efforts as well.

And LeafofLife: "How does it make you feel to know that your hard-earned money means nothing in a flood of special interest money? Might as well ban all money in politics."

Well, it makes me feel like I'm swimming upstream, but I'm a pretty strong swimmer and I think I'll make it. As to banning all money in politics, that's not possible, as you well know, but leveling the playing field is. I'm not sure how it can be done, but I'm certain it can be done; that's why I support candidates such as Feingold, who will try.

Posted by: carolanne528 | October 20, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Southern Strategy in FULL EFFECT, people."

Dangit, the word leaked out again. Those were the EXACT words in my sealed orders from Rove just yesterday.

How do these people keep finding out!?


Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

A guy gets charged with multiple felony counts. He looks around for a good lawyer and finds one who's sure he can get him a year's probation and maybe some community service, but certainly no more than six months in stir, if he'll agree to plead guilty to two of the counts. He does, and he pays the lawyer a sizable amount for his services.

When the day of sentencing roles around, the guy goes before the judge and is sentenced to 10 years in prison. Outraged, he contronts the lawyer, who tells him, relax, it could have been worse; he was going to give you 25 years and would have if it hadn't been for me.

Does this story seem like a metaphor for anything going on in the political world today?

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

QB, it is called being open minded and fair. Try it sometime. You must be suffering from memory loss. I congratulated the Republicans when the won in Mass, New Jersey and Virginia.

If they come out winners in this election, I will congratulate them again. I alway try to be modest in victory, and magnanimous in defeat.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

carolanne528 at 8:47 PM

Please excuse my cynicism.

The special interests have so much money.

I agree - the nation has to come up with a way to level the playing field - and stop the constant opening of new loopholes in the system. This will obviously require a Constitutional Amendment.

The democracy has been taken away by the money - however both parties are equally guilty.

I don't like to see one side or another make a partisan issue out of this - and then just continue to cause the problem to get larger.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Didn't you write earlier today, that no one pays any attention to what I write?

Apparently you do. You must stop stalking me online.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:42 PM
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I don't think I said that, did I? I read lots of your stuff. I can't speak for anyone else.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Brigade,

Yes, it does, except what the lawyer promised was more like dismissal of charges, a big movie deal, and earthly paradise (not to mention forgiveness of sin).

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 20, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

carolanne528, awesome that you're helping John Hall. Westchester County area simply cannot have a climate change denying, anti-environmental regulation Republican in Congress.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 20, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Didn't you write earlier today, that no one pays any attention to what I write?

Apparently you do. You must stop stalking me online.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 8:42 PM
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I don't think I said that, did I? I read lots of your stuff. I can't speak for anyone else.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 8:54 PM
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I have no problem with someone calling me out on what I say, but when someone stoops so low as to forge words, and put my name to them, then I think they have lost any right to be allowed to continue posting.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 3:48 PM
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Now give us two people in the entire world who give two hoots what you think. You and that thing in your pocket.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 6:58 PM

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Looks like you could use some memory pills too. The problem with those damn things is one often forgets to take them.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

carolanne528, awesome that you're helping John Hall. Westchester County area simply cannot have a climate change denying, anti-environmental regulation Republican in Congress.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 20, 2010 9:03 PM
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Well not when the alternative is John Hall. He must be a lover of the environment after all those south sea island movies. . . . Or was that Jon Hall?

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that the Southern Strategy is not really in high gear - most of the Republican pick-ups will be in the north -and midwest.

Anyway - Obama had such a massive money advantage last time - that led to additional gains.

Just take those gains away - plus add some for a rejection of Obama's programs -

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010: About John Hall--I'm ashamed to admit that I was surprised when I realized he might actually lose. This district just barely went for Obama, so I should have known it might go for someone like Hayworth. It's an odd district--plenty of wealthy people (as the media always emphasize), but also lots of middle and working class voters, and veterans, who seem to really appreciate his advocacy.

LeafofLife: That's okay; I'm cynical much more often than I like. Not sure about a constitutional amendment or that both sides are equally guilty, but I certainly agree that "the nation has to come up with a way to level the playing field - and stop the constant opening of new loopholes in the system."

Posted by: carolanne528 | October 20, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

McWing:

Not sure if you saw it, but I left you a post on last nights Happy Hour. Last post, I think.

Brigade:

re Thomas’s ex, ruk said: “Of course the fact that one of Thomas's former paramour's is now ready to publish a book in which she says Hill's claims fit perfectly with Clarence's behavior at the time she knew him…”

I guess she must have been digging that kind of behavior since she was reportedly with him for 5 years.

pragmatic:

“Speaking of sbj, nickel and the other retarded assh0les (you know who you are):”

Since I don't know that I am one, I guess I am not. But I wouldn't mind being in such esteemed company. Can I join?

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 20, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

BGinCHI: "I also hope The Rent is 2 Damn High guy gets more votes than Paladino."

Ha! Not sure if it's possible, but wouldn't it be sweet! Paladino is such an embarrassment.

Posted by: carolanne528 | October 20, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

ScottC3,

Saw it, thanks. I agree, he's got the gnosis but is unwilling to do anything about it. What that really says is that he does not believe it himself but wants to be seen as the, I don't know, wizened purveyor of doom. Respectable but ultimately helpless. Plus, as he himself admits, he's not a citizen and can therefore tsk his tongue at us savages while he sits back and ponders for us, our fetishistic fascism.

I also think he is a closet Truther. Not sure it it's of the Zionist Plot, PNAC originated or willful allowance variety. Someday he'll say and we'll know. Till then, I'll enjoy his ever ready signs of the inevitable rightwing fascist police state.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 20, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

carolanne528, awesome that you're helping John Hall. Westchester County area simply cannot have a climate change denying, anti-environmental regulation Republican in Congress.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 20, 2010 9:03 PM |
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I donated to John Hall, meself. Back in 2006, through firedoglake, in fact. And again this cycle.

Could someone put up lmsinca's Blue America link again? I've got more campaign donation money that needs a home.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 20, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Now give us two people in the entire world who give two hoots what you think. You and that thing in your pocket.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 6:58 PM

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Looks like you could use some memory pills too. The problem with those damn things is one often forgets to take them.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 20, 2010 9:12 PM
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You need some comprehension pills. I no where said that I don't READ your posts. They're mostly junk and make my eyes glaze over, but I'm a glutton for punishment.

Posted by: Brigade | October 20, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

carolanne, I lived in Buffalo for four years. Paladino seems completely predictable given the mooks around that place. A lot of nice people, but lotsa crazy and conservative.

I do miss the beef on weck though.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 20, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Here you go thunder and thanks carolanne, I was just reading the thread after getting back from a little door to door spreading the socialism and recommending that the country we really need to emulate is China. Oh wait, I think I got that mixed up with the CofC and secret meetings re the best way to outsource to China. I forget who I'm working for sometimes.

http://www.actblue.com/page/plcommunity

Posted by: lmsinca | October 20, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The troll is strong on the thread tonight.

DFTT!

And yet sometimes I can't resist myself...

It's clear that Thomas was not the most qualified candidate at the time and remains undistinguished on the court. That is why he doesn't belong there. His desire to pull up the equal opportunity ladder that he used to his advantage is another disqualifying character flaw, IMHO. Hill's description of Thomas's behavior constitutes sexual harassment. Remember, she did not come forward on her own and was contacted by senate committee staffers and asked to testify. There were corroborating witnesses that were not allowed to testify at the Thomas hearing. I don't think that Thomas using his position of authority to subject employees to inappropriate comments and suggestions would be disqualifying in an of itself, if he had acknowledged and apologized for it earlier. But, I don't believe his denials and his adopting the role of "victim of a high tech lynching" was as ludicrous as it was insulting to the real victims of racism.

Posted by: srw3 | October 20, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

thunder:

I enjoyed your lengthy list of quotations, but I have a few more you may want to add to your list.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

(cont'd)

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 20, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

thunder:

(cont'd)

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 20, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Scott

Thank you for that list

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

srw, nice to hear/see you.

We need you around here.

Good NLCS game on right now.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 20, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

NAACP should not be getting involved in politics - they are sending out a report CLEARLY intended to rally Obama's base.

So the NAACP should lose its tax status - it should have to register as a political committee and DISCLOSE as such.


WHY would the NAACP risk its reputation this way? Risk, I should have said destroy.


I supposed they are searching for a purpose, now that we have entered a post-racial era.

The election of Obama puts these guys in a difficult position - the country has proven it is not racist anymore, there has been racial progress. So what does the organization do? Disband?

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

So Scott, you think nobody notices when you type and fall backwards in it?

Chaque fois qu'il pleut, il pleut à verse dollars du ciel?

Isn't this the worst liberal nightsweat, that the whole middle of the country would wake up one fine morning and realize that the 'First Ever'-in-Chief is just another gas bag, blowing up a Bush-Doll and draggin' it around the stage at Dem Town Haul Meetin's, alternately promising even more mayhem without end, and beating the Doll about his head and stomach, blaming it for all his no-relief in sight problem solving drought. What a contrast, and it is startling, a gang of Carpet Baggers holed up in Tent City @ 1600 Progressive Pirate Ship Ave., and a fresh, energized and determined pantheon of not-so Clueless young Amateur Patriots ready to step into the whistling wind at the brink, board the USS Golden Goose sailing US back to the shore of the good land of 'Prosperity', and Plenty of IT...and all y'all got is: "the funny money boss", look it's raining down in buckets from the Mother-Ship of 'special foreign interests', oooh, beam US up there Scotty, maybe there's more of that Soros funny plastic banana good time rock and a hard place foreign exchange rate money that didn't find it's way to BarackObama.Com. Follow the wee, wee, wee all the way home to where that cash walked to...

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 20, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

NAACP should not be getting involved in politics - they are sending out a report CLEARLY intended to rally Obama's base.

So the NAACP should lose its tax status - it should have to register as a political committee and DISCLOSE as such.


WHY would the NAACP risk its reputation this way? Risk, I should have said destroy.


I supposed they are searching for a purpose, now that we have entered a post-racial era.

The election of Obama puts these guys in a difficult position - the country has proven it is not racist anymore, there has been racial progress. So what does the organization do? Disband?

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

McWing:

"Till then, I'll enjoy his ever ready signs of the inevitable rightwing fascist police state."

Speaking of which, I had to go to a meeting tonight at the local high school, at which a police officer, in uniform, was speaking. Everyone was very respectful to the officer.

I never knew, pace Bernie, that my town was so full of fascists!

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 20, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"I never knew, pace Bernie, that my town was so full of fascists!"

I bet bernie knew... 6 months ago!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 20, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

SERIOUS TOPIC

It is time to end the racial gerrymandering.

From an objective point of view, the black community would be better off.

It is better for the black community to make up an important part of many districts, rather than ALL of a few districts.


Take this election for instance: the black community has little impact this year.

That is because many blacks are ALREADY living in black-majority districts - which means a black democrat will be elected, no matter what.


That is NOT progress.


WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS IS THOSE BLACK VOTES DON'T COUNT FOR MUCH.

If the black were spread out over more districts, a greater voter turn-out would help campaigns. Now the efforts are muted.


Even more, at this point it would be good for the political system to have more Republican candidates seek support in the black community. The only way that is going to happen is to make the black communities a part of WIDER, MORE DIVERSE DISTRICTS.


Black Majority districts have their other side: White districts all over the place. It would be better if things were spread out, and the influence is in many more districts.


There - I said it - it should be done and done in this cycle.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Clip clop, clip clop, who dat trampin' over the out of touch vitual bridge tonite? Thought trolls lived under the bridge, bats fly out of the belfrey, and cuckoos fly over the bridge, anyway:

Here's an idea for the Partee' of Yes you can...

Get the Boys and Girls of Reform back to the Hill and Act on this:

We are imploring the Department of the Treasury to forebear and suspend the collection of any wages, profit, and/or interest/principle for the period of one year.

We are petitioning the Congress of the United States of America to enact in the most expeditious manner a law to collect revenue from the 50 States and Those Protectorates in Proportion to the distribution of population certified by the Census of 2010, and further enact a codicil (ensuring the) graduating (of) the responsibility of each and every Jurisdiction based upon the level of un-employment in that Jurisdiction.

So have WE been empowered, so should it be considered, forthwith.

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This would be validation and vindication for ALL.

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 20, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

SpendNoMore


WHAT are you talking about? Everyone knows that trolls live in trees. Silly.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Democrats, meet the Tree that's prepping to take you down on November 2nd.

This is Pterocarya fraxinifolia.

Common name: Caucasian wingnut.

Ironically, this Caucasian Wingnut is most common, or at least started out, in Northern Iran, which isn't necessarily what you'd figure for your garden variety Tea Partier. But there you go. JB says it's the official tree of the Tea Party Movement. But I'll just say you've been warned.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/10/dems_meet_your_tree_maker.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 20, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I am suspicious of the supposed recent movement in the polls.


The reason is the underlying fundamental polling numbers have not changed.

The public's attitude toward the economy and health care has not changed.


The only thing that may have changed is the attack ads are on everywhere.

But that does not account for a 10 point swing in PA - so I don't believe it.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Why can't ScottC3 glaring problems with the picture? The Pirate Ship has all the guns, all the money, the printing presses, the 'War Machine', as much of that Soros funny plastic banana good time rock and a hard place foreign exchange rate money as he dared launder...and still it's wee, wee, wee, all the way, whining and complaining about facisism, polleece state, etc...beam yourself into the real world, how can those with so much goin', come up with nothin' but gripe?

Maybe this will help with the answer:

How many jack*sses will fit on the head of a pin?

One, the rest of them are busy trying to be the head of the pin!

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 20, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

pragmaticstill, Les chauves-souris sont de retour en ville, le coucou a volé hors du nid, regarder le manuel de votre

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 20, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Lo siento, gasta no más, no puedo entender el francés.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 20, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter what language you use, the democrats are still going to lose the election, big time.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Imsinca and everybody else with a sense of humor: Ethan posted this earlier today but in case you missed it, I think it'll make you laugh, and it certainly shows that Greg's not up to snuff in the pessimism department :)

"WASHINGTON—According to recent media reports, Democrats stand to lose as many as 8,000 congressional seats and more than 917 gubernatorial races in November's midterm elections."

More in the link: http://www.theonion.com/articles/democrats-could-lose-up-to-8000-seats-in-upcoming,18285/?utm_souce=popbox

Posted by: carolanne528 | October 20, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Quercus alba
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A main structural and tensile component of nearly every house, church, public and commercial building, ship, bridge, port, plank road, kitchen table, writer's desk, rocking chair, public house bar, pew, library shelf, and butcher block in the pre-Mid20th Century Eastern United States.

{{{And Canada too, Bernie!}}}

Posted by: tao9 | October 20, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Carolanne

That was posted from the Onion - however there are races in 50 states this year. Republican pick-ups will probably be between 10,000 and 20,000.

That is over the State legislatures, county and local offices.


Yea, the Onion vastly underestimated the number at 8,000, which would be only 160 per State if spread out evenly.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

BGinCH: My son went to graduate school in Buffalo and hated the place :) Could not stand the wind, the snow, the "lake effect." He never mentioned beef on weck, so I guess he never had it. I looked it up after your post--sounds grand to me, although I probably wouldn't go to Buffalo for it, lol.

Posted by: carolanne528 | October 20, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the red oak, tao. Too often overlooked and just as useful, except for whiskey and wine barrels.....

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 20, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

carolanne, grad school too.

What did he study?

It's a town you grow to love and hate. If you can live there you can live anywhere. It's a rust belt/Great Lakes/sort of Midwest town. NOT to be confused with New England.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 20, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

From the Hotline

Democrats falling by the wayside......

The DCCC did not spend money on behalf of Reps. Mary Jo Kilroy (D-Ohio), Debbie Halvorson (D-Ill.), Betsy Markey (D-Colo.), Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), Suzanne Kosmas (D-Fla.), Patrick Murphy (D-Pa.) and Steve Kagen (D-Wis.), the filings show. Republicans believe those seven seats are all but guaranteed to fall their way.

Even in some races where Democrats did spend money, their advertising indicates little more than a token effort at salvaging seats that are also likely to fall to the GOP. The DCCC is spending just $30,000 for Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-Ohio), who polls show trailing ex-Rep. Steve Chabot (R) by wide margins.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

BG,

Hi! Reading "The End of the Affair." Somehow managed to miss G. Greene in all these years and it was laying around at a friends.

Off to crack it right now.

Play nice now PL/utocrats.

ps: Do you remember snow in Buffalo? I'm drawing a blank...darn I only recall warm summer nights in Cheektowaga.

Posted by: tao9 | October 20, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

carolanne, thanks I missed the Onion today. Republican optimism taken to the extreme. I just wish they had some optimism or ideas to get us back on track then maybe I wouldn't be so worried.

When we discover Glenn Beck has become a spokesperson for the CofC and is essentially asking people to donate their hard earned money back to their employers, I think we're probably in trouble. It's become a trendy thing to do. Is everyday opposite day now?

When people accuse us of wanting to emulate China while we're fighting the outsourcing of jobs to China, something's screwed up. Isn't the idea to beat China and bring the manufacturing jobs back to the US? If anyone's in cahoots with China is the US CofC.

Quercus alba, sort of reminds of that old saying, we used to treasure, Made in the U.S.A.

Giants won, so on that happy note I'm out.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 20, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

tao, love the Graham Greene Great writer.

The economy in his prose is masterful. I admire that.

lms, rooting for the Gigantes. Great game!

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 20, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I just read this and I'm sorry but it's just too funny. These are the smart guys in the room, really? Seems to me the title insurance companies just wrote their own demise. If the banks are essentially going to self-insure to guarantee the title, what the hell do they need title insurance for? No wonder our financial industry is so screwed up.

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"The big fear from the title insurance market is that they would issue insurance to a borrower on a recently foreclosed property whose previous owner was improperly evicted from the home. The round of lawsuits end with the previous owner being given back the home. This triggers the title insurance taken out by the new borrower. If done on a mass scale, the title insurer could go bankrupt.

Presumably, the threat to the title insurer is that their customers might actually have to use their title insurance. But clearly they carry a lot of risk by offering insurance on foreclosed properties, given the confusion over ownership. So Fidelity National Financial Inc., the largest title insurer in the US, reached a deal with Bank of America, whereby the bank would pay back Fidelity National for any problems created by faulty foreclosures."

Posted by: lmsinca | October 21, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

The democrats just want to find a way to distract people AWAY from their horrible policies that no one wants.

The democrats who SAY they want those policies, would be HORRIFIED when they find out the actual costs, which Obama is hiding from them.


We can not allow the democrats to continue to force their far-left agenda on America.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

The democrats just want to find a way to distract people AWAY from their horrible policies that no one wants.

The democrats who SAY they want those policies, would be HORRIFIED when they find out the actual costs, which Obama is hiding from them.


We can not allow the democrats to continue to force their far-left agenda on America.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

What is the best way to shop for a mortgage refinance? It is a good idea to contact at least three to five lenders for input on mortgage programs and rates. Also search online for "123 Mortgage Refinance" they found me 3.32% refinance rate really fast.

Posted by: harryblack21 | October 21, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

"It's clear that Thomas was not the most qualified candidate at the time and remains undistinguished on the court."

The person who wrote this is woefully ignorant. Thomas has been the most independent thinker on the Court during his tenure, and his opinions are exceptionally clear and well written.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

The person who wrote this is woefully ignorant. Thomas has been the most independent thinker on the Court during his tenure, and his opinions are exceptionally clear and well written.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 6:55 AM
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There you go again. Please, please stop corrupting the language.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 21, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Grassroots and libertarian. The Tea Party is really a new thing. Take for example this fellow below. Mr. Dennison is the founder of the Corydon Tea Party...

“It [global warming] is a flat-out lie,” Mr. Dennison said in an interview after the debate, adding that he had based his view on the preaching of Rush Limbaugh and the teaching of Scripture. “I read my Bible,” Mr. Dennison said. “He made this earth for us to utilize.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/us/politics/21climate.html?hp

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

qb:

thunder said: "Please, please stop corrupting the language."

Ah, the unintended irony.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Lots of fun quotes in the above NYT piece but this is my fave...


“Carbon regulation, cap and trade, it’s all just a money-control avenue,” Ms. Khuri added. “Some people say I’m extreme, but they said the John Birch Society was extreme, too.”

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

re: your favorite quote...yes, that was a good one. So is this, from the author of the piece:

"Skepticism and outright denial of global warming are among the articles of faith of the Tea Party movement."

Skepticism...an article of faith? That's an interesting notion.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

"The Defense Department has notified Congress that it wants to sell $60 billion worth of advanced aircraft and weapons to Saudi Arabia. The proposed sale, which includes helicopters, fighter jets, radar equipment and satellite-guided bombs, would be the largest arms deal to another country in U.S. history if the sale goes through and all purchases are made."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/20/AR2010102006518.html?hpid=topnews

Previous big arms deals with Iran and Iraq, of course. It's a spreading-liberty thing.

There's the obvious points of where the 9/11 boys came from and the awkward fact that the nation's constitution is the Qur'an and is governed according to Islamic law with amputations for, say, theft, and the thing about women not permitted to drive etc etc.

But heck, we're talking oil.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

and...uh...60 billion to the arms industry

It's a win/win.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Scott,

I don't know whether you saw the original thread from which that statement was lifted, but it was part of a short response to ruk's (for the 1000th time) strident claim that "WE ALREADY HAVE RATIONING!" of health care.

Our opponents on the left really do have a regular practice of corrupting thought by corrupting language. In this case, they are outraged that those against government take over of health care and insurance pointed out that it means inevitable rationing, and at the same time they claim "we already have rationing! By insurance companies!"

So private health care decisions made in a free market are now "rationing," but decisions made by government or under a system of government regulation and mandate are not rationing. That's just "we the people" organizing and "doing things for ourselves through governement." It's deliberate corruption of language and thought. What's that word -- oh, yeah, "propoganda."

lmsinca mentioned "every day is opposite day." Indeed, it is, just not in the way she suggests.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

From the Guardian this morning...

"The Tea Party movement has extensive links to white supremacist groups, a report published by the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights today has alleged."

Report here: http://www.teapartynationalism.com/

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

qb:

"lmsinca mentioned "every day is opposite day." Indeed, it is, just not in the way she suggests."

In fact, it is in a way opposite to which she suggests! Imagine that.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"The Defense Department has notified Congress..."

Bernie...would that be the same Defense Department that comes under the authority of Democratic President Obama? Just wanted to make sure.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Goodness! Conrad Black gives his impressions of Rupert Murdoch (warning: the careful reader might wish to consider, before wading into these comments, that one meglomaniac viewing and opining on another meglomaniac is probably going to produce a mix of insight and not sight at all):

"Generally not overly forthcoming, rather monosyllabic, an enigma whose banter is nondescript bourgeois filler delivered in a mid-Pacific accent. His idea of humour is pretty coarse, in the Australian manner, without being very original, or very funny.

Murdoch has no discernible attachments to anyone or anything except the formidable company he has built... no business associate lasts long... Save for Ronald Reagan, he turned on every politician he ever supported in every country where he has operated; he discarded every loyal lieutenant, two wives and countless friendly acquaintances, as if he were changing his socks.

Murdoch is a great white shark, who mumbles and furrows his brow compulsively [with] orange-dyed hair... a man who is airtight in his ruthlessness, unlimited in his ambition, with the iron nerves to have bet the company again and again... is monotonous as a public speaker and unfathomable as a personality...

I have long thought that his social philosophy was contained in his cartoon show, The Simpsons: all politicians and public officials are crooks, and the masses are a vast lumpen proletariat of deluded and exploitable blowhards."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/oct/21/conradblack-newspapers

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

"The Defense Department has notified Congress that it wants to sell $60 billion worth of advanced aircraft and weapons to Saudi Arabia. The proposed sale, which includes helicopters, fighter jets, radar equipment and satellite-guided bombs, would be the largest arms deal to another country in U.S. history if the sale goes through and all purchases are made."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/20/AR2010102006518.html?hpid=topnews

Previous big arms deals with Iran and Iraq, of course. It's a spreading-liberty thing.

There's the obvious points of where the 9/11 boys came from and the awkward fact that the nation's constitution is the Qur'an and is governed according to Islamic law with amputations for, say, theft, and the thing about women not permitted to drive etc etc.

But heck, we're talking oil.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:56 AM

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Well thank God that "The Surge Worked" and the Invasion of Iraq has spread Democracy Peace And Security In The Region. Other wise; Saudi Arabia might feel so threatened, that they would start arming for war, O wait, "laser guided bombs", never mind.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

lms said:

"When people accuse us of wanting to emulate China while we're fighting the outsourcing of jobs to China, something's screwed up. Isn't the idea to beat China and bring the manufacturing jobs back to the US? If anyone's in cahoots with China is the US CofC."

I gather that this was a shot at me, for pointing out that liberals on this blog in fact advocate that we emulate China in having the government undertake economic planning. So a few questions:

Do you deny that commenters here, including you, regularly argue that our government should use taxes and regulations, as well as direct investments, to finance and promote the "right" industries for the future? Isn't this exactly what commenters here have praised Obama for doing by "investing" in battery companies and similar "green" and "growth industries."

Do you deny that China has repeatedly been held up as setting an example that we should follow in this regard? Do you have some problem with this policy approach being called economic planning?

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

From the Guardian this morning...

"The Tea Party movement has extensive links to white supremacist groups, a report published by the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights today has alleged."

Report here: http://www.teapartynationalism.com/

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 8:09 AM

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Have you ever noticed how the members of white supremacist groups, tend to come from the bottom of our Caucasian barrel.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"(warning: the careful reader might wish to consider, before wading into these comments, that one meglomaniac viewing and opining on another meglomaniac is probably going to produce a mix of insight and not sight at all)"

Thanks for the warning. You may want to save and attach this warning to the bottom of all your posts about Murdoch.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse


My favorite NRO headline this morning:

"Tea Party Neophytes Shine"


Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"Do you deny that commenters here, including you, regularly argue that our government should use taxes and regulations, as well as direct investments, to finance and promote the "right" industries for the future? "

Which begs the question...are you so ignorant of history and facts...so unobservant that YOU deny that the Government has used taxes, regulations, etc. since the time of Washington to promote the right industries for the future.

What do you suppose Lincoln's policy of "Land Grant" Universities was designed to do? How about the Oklahoma land giveaways...that wasn't Government trying to influence our economy now was it...the La. Purchase...no economic ramifications or planning there. It's really, really difficult to believe you ever made it through law school!!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/the_morning_plum_116.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 21, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

The proposed sale of Weapons of offense, to Saudi Arabia has let the cat out of the bag. It is a clear indication that the USA is expecting Iraq to splinter, with Al Qaeda growing stronger in the Sunni region, and the Shiite government forming a close alliance with an Iran, that will supply it's arms needs, and dare we say it? Gasp; even WMD.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Morning boys,

I suppose the Chamber working with China in "how to outsource jobs to China" is somehow more patriotic than me wondering how we could beat China in the manufacturing game in the 21st Century. And I also suppose employers asking their employees, via Glenn Beck, to donate money to them so they can attend a seminar related to the above or maybe get to hear Beck speak at their next "top secret" meeting, or even dump their money back into a campaign that supports this profit making scheme, is just normal business practice in your neck of the woods.

And since this is a TP piece I'm sure you won't believe it, or maybe you will but just don't care, the link has the invitation to the "outsourcing party".

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"Among the many lies told by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce recently, chief Chamber lobbyist Bruce Josten said that his organization’s foreign affiliates, called AmChams, are only “comprised of American companies doing business abroad in those countries.” In fact, the Chinese AmCham is comprised of Chinese firms like Northern Light Venture Capital; the AmCham in Russia is comprised of Russian state-run companies like VTB Bank; and, the AmCham of Abu Dhabi is comprised of UAE state-run oil companies.

The ties between the AmChams and the U.S. Chamber are deep. In addition to sharing staff members, the Chinese AmCham has worked closely with the U.S. Chamber and the Chinese government to sponsor a series of seminars in America to teach American businesses how to outsource jobs to China (called the China Grassroots Program). Below is an invite to an event sponsored by the right-wing billionaire Sheldon Adelson, inviting local businesses in Florida to come to Jacksonville and learn about outsourcing from Chinese government officials like Li Haiyan, the Counselor for Economic Affairs for the People’s Republic of China, U.S. Chamber lobbyist Joseph Fawkner, and BChinaB, a firm that specializes in helping American firms outsource their manufacturing jobs to China."

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/19/chamber-chinese-seminar/

Posted by: lmsinca | October 21, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"So private health care decisions made in a free market are now "rationing," but decisions made by government or under a system of government regulation and mandate are not rationing."

For idiots who can't understand the English language or derive specious conclusions.
Actually what was SAID and the clear meaning intended..was that people like Palin and other dimbulbs like Q.B. act as if Gov't rationing will be something NEW!
The point has ALWAYS been clearly made that we have rationing...will have rationing..and a SENSIBLE discussion would involve THOUGHTFUL rationing not simply the rationing determined by insurance companies.

Q.B. is such an EXTREME reactionary with zero conception of nuance that he is unable to function in an actual discussion.
He tries to overwhelm with sophistry and assumes his opinion is fact.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Liam asks: "Have you ever noticed how the members of white supremacist groups, tend to come from the bottom of our Caucasian barrel."

My wife is from Dallas and her family connections run right into the Tim LeHaye crowd (LeHaye studied "theology" under my wife's ex's father). The mix of end of days religious ideas and classic Bircher notions makes for a formidable package of fears, hatreds, and ideas so solidly fixed that talking with such folks is pretty hair-raising.

The isolation of modern movement conservatives into their own network of "information" sources and their growing tendency to discount all others (to even hold such sources up as axiomatic models of that which is false) has a precedent in the anti-intellectualism of the fringe Christianity which isolated itself in it's own theological and epistemological universe and which axiomatically held that other education (schools, universities) would only, and necessarily, lead one astray.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

ruk, I'll take that as a "no, yes, no, no."

As for the examples you give, I think you'll need to find some better ones if you want to go back to Washington and claim we've always engaged in industrial policy and economic planning. I wouldn't deny for a minute that the government has already done some of what I described, and I am very critical of it. But it's silly to put the Louisiana Purchase or Oklahahoma land rush in that category.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

qb

To answer your question, did you happen to see my link to the story of the small Kansas town who managed to take politics out of the energy debate and the citizens came together through the schools, business and churches to cut their energy usage by 5% in one year? And they're now building a wind farm to bring their usage down even lower. What a bunch of dorks, huh?

We can either work together, government, private enterprise and ordinary citizens to solve our problems or we can just continue to decline at the altar of the "free market". If you refuse to see how the incentives for progress have gradually shifted away from the middle class, and some of us are fighting to restore it, I can't really help you.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 21, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"The point has ALWAYS been clearly made that we have rationing...will have rationing..and a SENSIBLE discussion would involve THOUGHTFUL rationing not simply the rationing determined by insurance companies."

No, the "point" asserted most often has always been that the claim that Obamacare would involve rationing was a vicious "lie." You've repeatedly made this claim yourself, such as here: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/open_thread_7.html

Just as I said, you've denied that Obamacare would involve rationing, even while claiming that there was "already" rationing.

But now you are admitting that Obamacare will mean rationing. It's just that you still don't know what rationing actually means. In the pre-Obamacare, semi-free market, you could by all the health care you wanted and could afford. That's not rationing. When the government decides what health care you can have, that's rationing. See? The sophistry and failure to make distinctions are what you are doing by conflating rationing with a free market. You've just tried to redefine rationing in a way that makes it meaningless, since everything is rationed under your corrupted usage. Since I can't afford all the cars and TVs and filet mignon and vacations I would like, they are "rationed" in your usage by the people who refuse to give them to me.

This is corruption of discourse. And that's your goal, of course, to corrupt the language and corrupt the debate.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Q.B.

http://www.georgewashingtonmythsymbolandreality.org/Martinez_GW-Ecomomics.pdf

"No study of George Washington would be complete, or more topical, without mention
of the economic policy created during his administration. It was responsible for the formation of many of the country’s most important public institutions: the system of federal taxation, government finance, public credit, banking and currency. This would establish the blueprint for
a strong federal government at the heart of all things economic.

OMG Q.B. According to your oft repeated pronouncements and YOUR definition of liberalism/progressivism...our founding father was a SOCIALIST!!! Ohhh the humanity.

@lmsinca Nice try, but you can make points until the cows come home and Q.Beck will NEVER be able to comprehend much less admit to a good idea that came from the left. If you read the end of one of his posts yesterday he views the world in black and white as an endless battle between his side and our side. Compromise, nuance, WORK TOGETHER...surely you jest lmsinca.

If only we had more lmsincas and fewer Q.Becks.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"No, the "point" asserted most often has always been that the claim that Obamacare would involve rationing was a vicious "lie."

More sophistry and ignorance on your part Q.Beck. I've called "death panels" and "pulling the plug on granny" deceptive...but I've NEVER claimed there would be no rationing. Certainly there is NO RATIONING caused by Obamacare. He went with the private insurers and so they will continue to do most of the rationing although the Gov't through Medicare/Medicaid also certainly has a heavy hand in our rationing decisions.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

lms,

I saw the story although I didn't spend a lot of time on it. If a town in Kansas wants to do that, bully for them. I doubt building a town windfarm makes a lot of sense, but it's there business.

That is somewhat removed from the idea that the federal government should be picking the "growth industries" of the future and doing our investing for us, and planning our economic future. Whatever one thinks of that, I was simply pointing out that it is what the left -- including this blog's commenters -- generally advocate, and that China has routinely been held up as a positive example for us to follow.

I'll take free markets over continuing down the road to serfdom. Incentives for progress are exactly what the programs and policies of the left are destroying. Indeed, the truth is that the left largely denies the reality of economic incentives. That's why they are always shocked to find that taxes have consequences they didn't anticipate.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"OMG Q.B. According to your oft repeated pronouncements and YOUR definition of liberalism/progressivism...our founding father was a SOCIALIST!!! Ohhh the humanity.'

Perhaps you could point out exactly which policies of Washington fit the description of what we were actually talking about -- using regulation and taxes, and particularly government "investment," to select and promote the "growth industries" of the future, since nothing that your source attributes to Washington has anything to do with such economic planning.

P.S. Washington didn't exactly establlish the system of taxation as it exists today, since that didn't come along until the 16th Amendment.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

qb

Apparently the right largely denies the reality of the economic incentives they've created for the outsourcing of jobs through tax policy and the advantage the big oil companies have through tax policy. While the Chamber fights to keep these incentives and favorable conditions for the oil companies, the banks, the insurance industry and pharmaceutical industry, I'll just keep pluggin' along fighting for the incentives to go into the hands of emerging industries and small businesses creating jobs for Americans. If an investment by the government or new rules from the government is the only way to get there, so be it. Let's see government, chamber, government, chamber, government, chamber...
.......I pick government, preferably one run by Democrats, thank-you very much.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 21, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"More sophistry and ignorance on your part Q.Beck. I've called "death panels" and "pulling the plug on granny" deceptive...but I've NEVER claimed there would be no rationing. Certainly there is NO RATIONING caused by Obamacare. He went with the private insurers and so they will continue to do most of the rationing although the Gov't through Medicare/Medicaid also certainly has a heavy hand in our rationing decisions. "

Lol, you are just repeating exactly what I said you said: there is only rationing in the private sector; government regulation and mandates as to which benefits will be provided aren't rationing.

You've completed reversed the definition of rationing. And you're so profoundly confused that you think using the true definition of rationing is sophistry.

That's all the time I have for your doublespeak and histrionics right now.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

ruk, I think we've been dismissed. LOL

Posted by: lmsinca | October 21, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"ruk, I think we've been dismissed. LOL"

It would be a mistake to put yourself in the same category as ruk. But I have to work.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"It would be a mistake to put yourself in the same category as ruk."

I don't see why, you largely dismiss us in the same way. No big deal, I have to work also.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 21, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

No, I don't dismiss you, but I find ruk to be unwilling or unable to engage different ideas without melting down and resorting to florid rhetoric and logic that is . . . elusive. In my experience you don't really share that problem, but suit yourself.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

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