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* Thinkin' ahead: House Speaker-in-waiting John Boehner is already taking steps to bring the unruly Tea Party caucus set to arrive in D.C. into the fold.

* Anne Kornblut has Obama's homestretch campaign schedule: He's hitting Philadelphia, Bridgeport, Chicago, and Cleveland over the final campaign weekend.

* Michael Crowley gently skewers the false equivalences between anonymous spending on left and right.

* Steve Benen makes a point that keeps getting overlooked: Dems are right to hammer the secret cash funding elections because it's, you know, an important issue that deserves public attention.

* Eugene Robinson says Juan Williams got a raw deal, and posts video of the full exchange.

* Distinction-without-a-difference of the day: NPR tries to justify the firing by claiming that Williams isn't supposed to offer his opinions, just his analysis. Whatever you think of what Williams said, that's just bogus.

* Glenn Greenwald makes the full case against Williams, as only he can.

* Fox News gives Williams a very soft $2 million landing.

* Brian Montopoli informs Sarah Palin and other opportunists calling for the defunding of NPR that less than 10 percent of its budget comes from public funding.

* Brutal new ad targeting Colorado Tea Party Senate candidate Ken Buck on the "high heels" crack and other such gender sensitivity.

* Liberals continue targeting Grassley: The Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Democracy for America have raised $25,000 in just one day to run this new ad painting Grassley as, well, a clown. Libs are gung ho for lefty challenger Roxanne Conlin.

* Dems can finally breathe easy in one blue state as the Cook Political Report moves the Connecticut Senate race from Toss Up to Leans Democratic. That this is such welcome news is another sign of how rough Dems have it this year.

* But: The AP reports that early voting is showing surpising turnout for ... Democrats.

What else is happening?


By Greg Sargent  | October 21, 2010; 6:24 PM ET
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The Aqua Buddah Church has just released the following statement:


May you all drown in your political correctness....


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Defunding 10% of NPR's budget is a start, at least. I may have to drive to Bridgeport to protest Obama about that!

As for Juan Williams, congrats on the $2 million. BTW: Greg Sargent is "bigoted" against Republicans, as evidenced every day right here on these threads. Should he be fired too? Maybe George Soros will pay Greg $2 million as well?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Benen linked to an interesting article by Jonathan Martin about angst and anger among GOP campaigns over Sarah Palin playing hard to get, and other assorted games. It's worth a read.

"Sarah Palin is wreaking havoc on the campaign trail, GOP sources say"


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43936.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | October 21, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Juan Williams ends up with $2 Million??

Well good for him


Finally someone doesn't get caught because liberals are insane.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

WOW Juan Williams should wear this as a Badge of Honor

NPR is out of its mind.

Yes, the Obama people are on a WITCH HUNT and it is a disgrace.

It is about time that Obama's people leave NPR

Obama should take responsibility for his own people when they are idealogical.

Obama SHOULD RESIGN OVER THIS INCIDENT ALONE.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Juan, congratulations on the $2 million from Fox. Did you put your soul up for auction, or did you just take the first offer?

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 21, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

All the Rabid Right Wing Hate Mongers who never have contributed to NPR, are promising to stop contributing to NPR. They will really feel the virtual pain of that imaginary Boycott.

Parnell would have laughed his Arse off at them.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I think it's funny, all the angst over Juan Williams.

The interesting thing is that his primary defenders are 1. conservative, 2. fellow journalist.

Conservative because he was THE TOKEN Black "Liberal" guy on FOX news. If Juan Williams was on MSNBC (first of all, he probably wouldnt' have felt comfortable enough to say the comments anyway), I bet dollars to donuts all this "concernerd conservatives" would not be so quickly defending Juan.

Journalist like Eugene are defending Juan Williams, cause as they say, "there by the grace of God go I..", and if not Juan, then it could be them next.

If anyone cared, they could research and see that NPR have had a laundry list of problems with Juan Williams. This incident was just the straw that broke the camels back.

Posted by: lynell33 | October 21, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS A PARTISAN LYNCHING


NPR's Obama allies are obviously taking action at Juan Williams - because he is A BLACK WHO EXPRESSES HIS OWN OPINIONS.


A black which does not agree with the liberal agenda is just wrong, according to those people.


The liberals believe that BLACKS MUST THINK a certain way because of the COLOR OF THEIR SKIN - nothing else should enter into their thoughts.

This is shameful and disgraceful.


Obama should take responsibility for the actions of these partisans - and Obama SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

House Speaker John Boehner is already taking steps to bring the unruly Tea Party caucus set to arrive in D.C. into the fold.
.................

He is just the boy to pull it off. He is a master at distributing Tobacco Lobby and K Street checks. That should reduce the tannic acid level in their teapots.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

For those interested in some first-hand reactions to the Politico hit piece on Gov. Palin:

"Hey Jonathan,

Hope you're doing well. Just read your article on Palin and wanted to add my two cents. (this wasn't requested by anybody and feel free to quote me if you'd like)

As you know the 2010 SRLC was the largest Republican Leadership Conference in 30 years, with more speakers, more press and more attendees than ever before. Governor Palin's staff was incredibly easy to deal with and very professional.

I interacted with every major GOP personality in the country leading up to the conference and can tell you first hand that the only thing different about Governor Palin was the intensity of the interest from the attendees, sponsors and even other speakers.

She's easily the most requested surrogate our party has and it's a shame that Republicans would rather gripe that they can't get more of her time instead of being appreciative of everything that she does do."

Charlie Davis
President and CEO
2010 Southern Republican Leadership Conference

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Another thing, bully for Juan, he got 2 million for an extended role.

So what? Notice it's an "extended role" but NOT HIS OWN SHOW! Which in and of itself tells you a whole hell of a lot, especially since Fox News can surely use some shall we say "diversity" in their "hosted programs"?

Also, this 2mill is a 2 headed sword now. At least with the NPR gig in his back pocket, Juan was not TOTALLY at the mercy of his Fox News overlord! Well now he has sold his soul, and Fox like their "liberals' to follow their script. So Juan continues on in his chosen profession thanks to the "genorosity" of Fox News. And he soul will be more barren for it.

Look for Juan to either go full "Alan Combes" are to be even worse of a "Fox Liberal" than he already is. Expect more stories or appearances involving Juan as the true evidence of the rift between Blacks and Obama. Here's betting we will be seeing a Juan Williams special report on the truth behind the New Black Panther party.

Posted by: lynell33 | October 21, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

* But: The AP reports that early voting is showing surprising turnout for ... Democrats

...................

It is only surprising to those who fell in love with their own fantasy "enthusiasm gap" hysteria.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

and our resident troll has already proven my point.

"NPR's Obama allies are obviously taking action at Juan Williams - because he is A BLACK WHO EXPRESSES HIS OWN OPINIONS."

This is all that FOX News viewers and concerned conservative trolls are thinking when they see Juan Willaims

Nevermind the fact, that Juan Williams was supposed to be the "liberal" on Fox's panel.

Idiots.

Posted by: lynell33 | October 21, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Anyone employed by a left leaning news organization who tries to bring a reasoned,balanced and realistic argument to a right leaning org is risking the employer's ultimate wrath. Juan Williams revealed his internal personal reactions to certain situations that many of us share. That he spoke this truth was less important than the logic he later displayed in the O'Reilly segment. Political Correctness was more important to NPR which was probably just looking for an excuse. In this age of murder and mayhem perpetrated by Muslim terrorists, how many can honestly say they don't have a similar gut reaction. It may be inappropriate, but it would not be abnormal IMO.

Posted by: actuator | October 21, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Brian Montopoli uses the "smaller" 10% because he knows most Americans would agree that $422 million is considerably more than what we should be spending for public TV and radio!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Juan can use the 2 million to charter flights, and never again have to be frightened out of his mind, by clothing.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

This is a LIBERAL LYNCHING OF A BLACK MAN - BECAUSE HE DOESN'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY DO

Let's call it the way it is.

Nina Tottenberg is allowed to say whatever she wants...... because she is white and liberal.


This is a RACIST ACT ON THE PART OF NPR.


It is disgraceful that a Black man can not say what he thinks - and the liberals think that they should make an issue out of it.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Instead of Muslims in full garb, Mr. Williams should be afraid of IVANA TRUMP:

"In response to a Nigerian Muslim trying to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day, the government will now prohibit international travelers from going to the bathroom in the last hour before the plane lands.

Terrorists who plan to bomb planes during the first seven hours of the eight-hour flight, however, should face no difficulties, provided they wait until after the complimentary beverage service has been concluded.

How do they know Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab didn't wait until the end of the flight to try to detonate explosives because he heard the stewardess announce that the food service was over and seats would have to be placed in their upright position? I can't finish my snack? This plane is going down!

Also prohibited in the last hour of international flights will be: blankets, pillows, computers and in-flight entertainment. Another triumph in Janet Napolitano's "Let's stay one step behind the terrorists" policy!

For the past eight years, approximately 2 million Americans a day have been subjected to humiliating searches at airport security checkpoints, forced to remove their shoes and jackets, to open their computers, and to remove all liquids from their carry-on bags, except minuscule amounts in marked 3-ounce containers placed in Ziploc plastic bags -- folding sandwich bags are verboten -- among other indignities.

This, allegedly, was the price we had to pay for safe airplanes. The one security precaution the government refused to consider was to require extra screening for passengers who looked like the last three-dozen terrorists to attack airplanes.

Since Muslims took down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, every attack on a commercial airliner has been committed by foreign-born Muslim men with the same hair color, eye color and skin color. Half of them have been named Mohammed.

An alien from the planet "Not Politically Correct" would have surveyed the situation after 9/11 and said: "You are at war with an enemy without uniforms, without morals, without a country and without a leader -- but the one advantage you have is they all look alike. ... What? ... What did I say?"

The only advantage we have in a war with stateless terrorists was ruled out of order ab initio by political correctness.

And so, despite 5 trillion Americans opening laptops, surrendering lip gloss and drinking breast milk in airports day after day for the past eight years, the government still couldn't stop a Nigerian Muslim from nearly blowing up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day.

The "warning signs" exhibited by this particular passenger included the following:

His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

He's Nigerian.

He's a Muslim.

His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

He boarded a plane in Lagos, Nigeria.

He paid nearly $3,000 in cash for his ticket.

He had no luggage."

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

(cont.)

[In case you missed it the first time] "His name was Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

Two months ago, his father warned the U.S. that he was a radical Muslim and possibly dangerous.

If our security procedures can't stop this guy, can't we just dispense with those procedures altogether? What's the point exactly?

(To be fair, the father's warning might have been taken more seriously if he had not simultaneously asked for the U.S. Embassy's Social Security number and bank routing number in order to convey a $28$ million inheritance that was trapped in a Nigerian bank account.)

The warning from Abdulmutallab's father put his son on some list, but not the "no fly" list. Apparently, it's tougher to get on the "no fly" list than it was to get into Studio 54 in the '70s. Currently, the only people on the "no fly" list" are the Blind Sheik and Sean Penn.

The government is like the drunk looking for his keys under a lamppost. Someone stops to help, and asks, "Is this where you lost them?" No, the drunk answers, but the light's better here.

The government refuses to perform the only possibly effective security check -- search Muslims -- so instead it harasses infinitely compliant Americans. Will that help avert a terrorist attack? No, but the Americans don't complain.

The only reason Abdulmutallab didn't succeed in bringing down an airplane with 278 passengers was that: (1) A brave Dutchman leapt from his seat and extinguished the smoldering Nigerian; and (2) the Nigerian apparently didn't have enough detonating fluid to cause a powerful explosion.

In addition to the no blanket, no computer, no bathroom rule, perhaps the airlines could add this to their preflight announcement about seat belts and emergency exits: "Should a passenger sitting near you attempt to detonate an explosive device, you may be called upon to render emergency assistance. Would you be willing to do so under those circumstances? If not we will assign you another seat ..."

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=348

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of sleezy characters populating the modern scene but Dick Armey is in the running for top spot...

"In response to the somewhat counterintuitive (or at least counter-narrative) news that Dems are doing reasonably well in early voting, Tea Party chieftain Dick Armey says Dems are voting early to commit voter fraud. Particularly in the "inner city.""
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/10/they_just_wont_stop.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful quote from that disgusting communist heathen America-hating Mark Twain...

"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code.
- Mark Twain, a Biography"

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

Smart of you to pick Pan Am 103 (Dec. 21, 1988) as your cutoff for attacks on commercial airliners.

That way you don't have to address Iran Air Flight 655, which was attacked and destroyed on July 3, 1988, killing all 290 people aboard.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 21, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Interesting question surrounding Juan Williams dismissal. A collection of statements by NPR's Nina Totenburg. My guess is that it will be different because she's not an analyst, or, she wouldn't be afraid to say these things on the air at NPR, or, she's not a contract employee, or, she's not mentally ill (or, she doesn't appear on FOX). Mara, watch your back.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/nina-totenberg-next_511512.html

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Bearclaw

We are all so glad you are here to point out little tiny, meaningless things.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Bearclaw1 is apparently unable to discern between tragic error and intentional, terror driven tragedy.

Posted by: actuator | October 21, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I still believe the CT Senate race is a Toss-Up, and not just because Blumenthal lied about military service in Vietnam:

"Among Blumenthal's taxpayer-funded citizen-persecution projects was the one he waged against Gina Kolb, owner of Computer Plus Center in East Hartford.

After selling $17.2 million worth of computers and servers to the state in 2001, Kolb found herself being sued by Blumenthal for $1.75 million for allegedly overcharging the state $500,000.

Publicity-wh0re Blumenthal sent out an accusatory press release about Kolb, saying: "No supplier should be permitted to shortchange or overcharge the state without severe consequences."

Soon thereafter, Kolb was arrested at her home on seven first-degree larceny charges, courtesy of Connecticut's crazily hyperactive attorney general.

Wonder why you have a $4 billion deficit, Nutmeggers? Blumenthal's endless investigations into responsible, law-abiding citizens like Kolb have now cost more than the entire Iraq War. (And that's just the cost of the paper for Blumenthal's 12 billion press releases!)

A court dismissed all charges against Kolb and her company in 2008. But not before this female businesswoman had her company completely shattered by the pathologically ambitious attorney general.

I'm sorry, I know you need to be on television every single day, Dick, but that's not enough of a reason to destroy innocent citizens' lives, much less use taxpayer money to do so.

Kolb was far from the only innocent citizen persecuted by Blumenthal. The reason we know her story is that, instead of moving as far away from Connecticut as she could, Kolb turned around and sued the state for violating her constitutional rights.

The jury agreed, awarding her $18 million for Blumenthal's "pattern of conduct" that destroyed Kolb's business and impugned her integrity.

Noticeably, the attorney general who spends most of his waking hours phoning reporters, holding press conferences and issuing press releases did not make a peep about Kolb's total vindication in court, despite his having earlier blackened her name. Perhaps he was busy attending a fake Vietnam veterans' reunion that day.

To the contrary, Blumenthal continued using the power of his office to persecute Kolb. This is the problem with government officials using taxpayer money to further their own political ambitions: No one could tell him to cut his losses and stop harassing Kolb.

Blumenthal filed a blizzard of motions -- at taxpayer expense -- appealing the jury's verdict in favor of Kolb. One of them finally succeeded in getting a judge to reduce the damages to Kolb ...

[He has actually done this over and over again to innocent citizens]

I understand why Connecticut would like to get rid of him, but that's no reason to foist this menace on the rest of the country. How about sending him to Vietnam?"

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=391

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Another thing, I work at a hospital, if I was to go on TV, in my work uniform, with my work badge on, identifying me as working for "X" hospital, and bad mouth the health care given at my hospital, or talked trash about how dumb the nurses and interns are, my 1st ammendment rights say I can say whatever I like, but it doesn't say that my job can't fire me for exercising that right while implicitly representing the hospital!

That's what NPR did.

Posted by: lynell33 | October 21, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Bernie,

How much blood has Christianity spilled in, say, the last 150 years, in it's intolerance to it's neighbor's religion?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Blumenthal even looks creepy.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Juan Williams ends up with $2 Million??
Well good for him.
Finally someone doesn't get caught because liberals are insane.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 6:32 PM
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Right. One place really IS fair and balanced.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

bearclaw1:

Smart of Ms. Coulter, whom I was quoting and provided a link to her article, not me : )

Other news showing that GWB was "smart" too:

"Moon Not Only Has Water, but Lots of It"

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303339504575566194097878552.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEADNewsCollection

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

From that noted lefty Andrew Sullivan:

So if you say that all terrorists are Muslims (untrue), you're fine with Fox. If you blanketly conflate American Muslims with al Qaeda, as O'Reilly did on The View, you're a Fox star. And if you're a "liberal" hired by Fox to legitimize the bigotry of your paymasters and say it's legit to fear anyone wearing Muslim garb as a terrorist (also empirically ludicrous), you get a raise.

Of course, he's gay so not a legit conservative to the tea baggers.

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 21, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

The statistically most advantageous means to producing more stupid people...

"The regional trends are unmistakable: in the Northeast, where sex-ed is the norm, teen-birth rates are extremely low. In the "Bible Belt," where abstinence education is the norm, teen-birth rates are extremely high. That's not a coincidence."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_10/026248.php

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I DISAGREE

_______________________________

With less than two weeks to go before the midterm elections, a survey conducted by Gallup shows that only 39 percent of Americans think Obama deserves to be re-elected in 2012.

A staggering 54 percent think he should be a one-term president, the poll found.

____________________________

I believe Obama should resign, and he should be a half-termer.


Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

But that's not the most implausible result in the latest Gallup likely voter survey. Among nonwhites other than blacks, a group that comprises about 13% of likely voters, a generic Republican is leading a generic Democrat by 10 points, 52% to 42%. That's a group that voted Democratic by a 2-1 margin in the 2006 midterm election. Moreover, it's a group that has never given a majority of its vote to Republican candidates for Congress in any election since the advent of exit polling. According to the 2006 exit poll results, about two-thirds of these "other nonwhite" voters are Latinos. How plausible is it that at a time when the Republican Party is closely associated with stridently anti-immigrant policies that Latino voters are moving in droves toward Republican candidates? Not plausible at all, especially when Gallup's results are directly contradicted by other recent polls of Latino voters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-abramowitz/gallups-implausible-likel_b_764345.html

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 21, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Bernie,

How much blood has Christianity spilled in, say, the last 150 years, in it's intolerance to it's neighbor's religion?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 7:35 PM

.......................

Just add up all the slaughter that Christian lands have inflicted on the lands that they colonized, and you will have your answer. In fact; they used religion as an excuse to persecute and eradicate millions of indigenous people. They were still at it, after the civil war, here in America.

The English were waging a war, based on religious differences against the Irish in Ireland during that time period. Priest were outlawed and hunted down and executed by the English.

Did you forget what the Germans did to the Jewish people.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

There are some liberals who believe the Constitution should be suspended and Obama should be in there for life.


We realize that liberals think that Obama should have more than two terms to destroy the economy.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

While Juan Williams and his defenders whine about NPR's bias,

"Breaking News: Rep Grijalva's Office On Lockdown"

"Breaking News out of Tucson:

U.S. Rep. Raúl Grijalva’s congressional office is closed this afternoon as police respond to a suspicious piece of mail.

An envelope arrived with swastikas drawn on the outside and a white powdery substance on the inside, said Adam Sarvana, Grijalva’s spokesman.

The office is on lockdown as police investigate. Those outside the office are not allowed in, and the workers and constituents inside are not allowed to leave until police clear the scene, Sarvana said.

Preliminary health checks show those in the office are OK, but further testing is needed because the substance has not been identified, Sarvana said"

http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/pueblo-politics/article_39525176-dd57-11df-b68e-001cc4c002e0.html

But hey, forget 'bout that, back to the Juan Williams/conservative boo hoo fest!

Posted by: lynell33 | October 21, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Liam

And you forget how many witches were burned in Massachusetts.

And how many muslims were killed by the jews.


What else do you want to complain about?


Stalin?
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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Instead of going to the Jon Stewart / Stephen Colbert rallies in D.C. n Saturday, Oct. 30th, people should go protest Obama in Philadelphia PA or Bridgeport CT.

The "Moving America Forward GOTV Campaign Rally" here in Connecticut will take place at the Arena in Harbor Yard, 600 Main St, Bridgeport, CT. I suggest we camp out on the I-95 frontage road for maximum exposure.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Pragmaticstill, 7:38 PM. Your use of the term "ludicrous" applies to most of your post.

Posted by: actuator | October 21, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Bernie, I was just about to post on the Dick Armey thing.

What a horrible human being. I'm so hot about it I can't begin to express my disgust and contempt for the man.

GOTV!!

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 21, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

The liberals in this country are way out of control.

This midterm election is producing a good amount of arrogance ahead - a sense that they should "fight-back" to defend their bankrupt idealogy.

The nation has rejected liberalism - the liberals responded by JAMMING a far-left agenda down everyone's throats -

This was done in the hopes that a short-term majority in Congress could be used to FORCE permanent changes on America

That is UNAMERICAN - it is disrespectful of the voters - and disrespectful of the next election.

NOW the liberals are desperate.

Juan Williams This is a LIBERAL LYNCHING OF A BLACK MAN - BECAUSE HE DOESN'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY DO

Let's call it the way it is.

Nina Tottenberg is allowed to say whatever she wants...... because she is white and liberal.


This is a RACIST ACT ON THE PART OF NPR.


It is disgraceful that a Black man can not say what he thinks - and the liberals think that they should make an issue out of it.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Buck called the TeaParty insane during the primary curious why that footage not being used by Bennett.

my wife and I just doubled our yearly pledge to NPR. By the way:
"NPR gets no allocation from CPB. Zero. We are a private 501(c)3. We’ve had journalists call up and ask what department of the government we report to."

the right is always looking for a new boogeyman today its NPR. For Sharon Angle its the Dept of Energy that employs 11,000 Nevadans and alcohol and gambling that employs most of the rest of the state she wants to cuts ties with. But we know that is not her job to help create jobs as long as she and her husband live off of a federal pension.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Did you forget what the Germans did to the Jewish people.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 7:46 PM
=============================

Look at what we've done to the Iraqis. First we aided Saddam throughout the 1980s right up until he annoyed our even better friends, the Kuwaitis.

Then used the crimes he committed while we supported him as an excuse to reduce their country to rubble. (Along with the imaginary WMD, of course.)
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 21, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Buck called the TeaParty insane during the primary curious why that footage not being used by Bennett.

my wife and I just doubled our yearly pledge to NPR. By the way:
"NPR gets no allocation from CPB. Zero. We are a private 501(c)3. We’ve had journalists call up and ask what department of the government we report to."

the right is always looking for a new boogeyman today its NPR. For Sharon Angle its the Dept of Energy that employs 11,000 Nevadans and alcohol and gambling that employs most of the rest of the state she wants to cuts ties with. But we know that is not her job to help create jobs as long as she and her husband live off of a federal pension.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

"Dems can finally breathe easy in one blue state as the Cook Political Report moves the Connecticut Senate race from Toss Up to Leans Democratic..."

Unless of course one had been of the opinion that moving it Toss-up was a bit idiotic in the first place.

Posted by: CalD | October 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1:

We are all aware that CPB only funds "local" members stations who, in turn, do fund NPR (that's why Gov. Palin used the word "indirectly"). Keep on donating, though, because they will need it once the GOP take over ...

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 wrote,
"Health care costs will go down in the long-term because of the bill.

"Health care costs are still increasing NOW because, again, nothing short of the government investment of billions or trillions of dollars would prevent that."
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I'll take this as intentional humor. It can't really be that even one person in the entire country actually believes this.
Six years of revenue to cover ten years of "projected" costs? A $500 billion cut in Medicare that's never going to happen? And that's just to help come up with the bogus numbers to score the bill. No one could be that gullible.

What's more likely to happen is that increased numbers of doctors and medical facilities will refuse to accept medicare patients (or patients of whatever other beast emerges from the coming carnage) because of the paltry government compensation. In fact, that's already happening. A two tier healthcare system will develop where those who can afford the premiums will have "regular" insurance and access to quality healthcare of their choice, while the remaining masses will be herded into the waiting rooms of whatever doctors and hospitals are willing to have their rates and income regulated by Uncle Sam. If you're in the latter group, don't expect to see Nancy Pelosi or Barack Obama in the chair next to you.

As quality declines and costs soar, as always happens when the government is too deeply involved in any field of endeavor, no one will know what's happening to the money. As premiums rise and the government via the IRS is authorized to collect, the property and assets of people who can't keep up will be assigned to the government, voluntarily or otherwise. Medicaid and welfare are voluntary; this isn't; you HAVE to participate. But as you become unable to afford participation you will necessarily become "asset free" and the government will take over.

Those who choose to pay the fine...er, "tax"...rather than participate will jump in when they really need coverage and presumably join the illegal immigrants in the emergency room in the meantime.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1:

We are all aware that CPB only funds "local" members stations who, in turn, do fund NPR (that's why Gov. Palin used the word "indirectly"). Keep on donating, though, because they will need it once the GOP take over ...

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Watch out, NEA; you're next ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 21, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

yea we will and don t dance in the end zone yet. We know that the right has problems with the cultural contributions that NPR makes to my community, calling it that
cultural thingy they despise.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

As quality declines and costs soar, as always happens when the government is too deeply involved in any field of endeavor, no one will know what's happening to the money. ...
Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 8:08 PM |
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What happened when we outsourced to Blackwater?

You keep reciting your Rand novel. The rest of us live in the real world.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 21, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Liam,
I would agree that, in the last 150 years, many Native Americans died as a result of exposure to diseases by Christian missionaries attempting to convert them.  I would not say it was done intentionally as in convert or die.    Natives in other regions were exploited, and died from that exploitation, more out of greed and racism rather than religious zealotry.  In fact, the Catholic church was, and has been, a force in the curbing of said exploitation for more than 150 years.

I'm not familiar enough with "The Troubles" to form a informed opinion, though I do tend to think that it had/has more to do with Nationalism first, with religion a by-product of it.

Finally, the orchestrators of the holocaust were not Christians so much as some weird Viking paganism.  Their victims were killed though, because of their Judaism. I'm sure many of their executioners were in fact Christian and some, I'm sure, thought they were doing it for religious reasons. I do think though, that the holocaust would not have occurred without the "pagan" architects pushing it so I do not know that we can attribute that to Christianity.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

yea we will and don t dance in the end zone yet. We know that the right has problems with the cultural contributions that NPR makes to my community, calling it that
cultural thingy they despise. And we were just shocked that O'Donnel had now idea that the first amendment includes the etsablishment and free excericse clause, she obviously learned about while studying at Oxford and Princeton. Someone should tell that poor lost candidate the name of the other Delaware Senator she could not even recall, Tom Carper. Jake you really need to send her some more money.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

SHAMEFUL

The liberals believe they are ENTITLED to the support of blacks - based solely on the color of their skin.

THAT IS RACIST.

The liberals believe that ANY BLACK that expresses opinions outside of their idealogy has 'GONE ROGUE' - AND SOMEHOW RETRIBUTION IS CALLED FOR.


It is completely disgraceful.


Juan Williams is banned from NPR just like liberals here want to ban people - no difference.


IT IS INTELLECTUAL CORRUPTION.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

along with the minimum wage, SS, Medicare, The Dept of Education,Dept of Energy,Civil rights,open housing, and contraceptives all in the right's cross hairs. we know what is at stake.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"Liberals continue targeting Grassley: The Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Democracy for America have raised $25,000 in just one day to run this new ad..."
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Oh well. You certainly have to admit that it's a long way from the dumbest or most destructive idea that PCCC has ever gotten into their furry little minds. Sure, it may be a complete waste of time and money, but it's not like they're actually hurting anyone (least of all Chuck Grassley, one imagines). At least they're not out campaigning to kill healthcare reform and/or running attack ads against red state Democrats or something. If it helps keep them out of real mischief, I'm for it!

Posted by: CalD | October 21, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

along with the minimum wage, SS, Medicare, The Dept of Education,Dept of Energy,Civil rights,open housing, and contraceptives all in the right's cross hairs. we know what is at stake.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Name how many Christian Countries have been occupied by Muslim nations in the past hundred years.

Then go count up the number of Christian lands who have occupied Muslim lands in the same time period. To make it easier for you. Take a look at all those Christian lands who were ruling Muslim lands at the time WW2 started. Hint. Egypt. Iraq. Algeria. Morocco. Sudan. Palestine. Yemen etc.

Throw in non Arab muslim lands such as Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. Get the picture yet?

Now name all the Military bases in the USA that are under the control of armed forces from a Muslim nation. How many times has a Muslim nation invaded the USA.

Did Iran ever send over a military force to overthrow the elected government of America, and Install an American Puppet dictator?

Yes the terrorists are homicidal psychopaths, but they are not a Muslim nation, any more than the Christian KKK were or are.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

As Greg Sargent pointed out just last week, if Republicans are given control of the House, they will propose a bill to cut different government spending "every single week.". Let Obama try to veto ALL of those.

Posted by: clawrence12 | October 21, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I se.e that 37th is now on his fifth name now still pushing his racist drivel here, nothing ever changes with him

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7 wrote,
"On the other hand Obama inherited a nation deeply shaken, dare I say near panic. Perhaps he made the calculation that stopping anymore panic was more important than the bleak unvarnished truth."
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Wrong. Obama could not have done differently because he did not know what he was doing in the first place. Yes, I know he graduated from college, but I've known any number of college graduates who were woefully ignorant in many areas and lacked good common sense. Making a record number of speeches while reading from an idiot board does not amount to real leadership.

Blaming a mess on Romer, Bernstein, Summers, or whoever else is a non-starter. Barry is the President and he picked his cabinet. Unfortunately, he's in over his head, as even he admitted when he said he was not qualified to be President a short time before he decided to actually run. His lack of executive experience has been telling, and his general incompetence should by now be obvious to all.

It's ironic that his most successful work thus far has been in the area of foreign policy, and that only because he has pretty much acquiesced to the demands of the military, realizing his own ignorance. On the domestic front he has merely served as house boy for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid when he wasn't making his boilerplate speeches or playing golf. The result has been disastrous.

To suggest that he could have done differently implies that he actually had some idea what he was doing in the first place. He said the stimulus would do wonders because he really thought it would; he didn't allow for 10% unemployment because he didn't think it could happen under his "leadership." During the campaign, he chided McCain for wanting to return to Washington when the economy appeared to be in crisis and work on the bipartisan legislation that many liberals now claim saved the economy from a general depression. Obama wanted to stay on the road and campaign. We have an educated fool in the White House, and some misguided idiots credit him with the legislation that was fashioned when Bush was still President.

No matter now. The voters are going to defang him and his masters, Pelosi and Reid, in a couple of weeks. And in a couple of years, they'll likely rough him up a bit and send him back to the Chicago gutter from whence he came.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

On Palin (re the Politico piece)...

As others have noted, the criticisms in the piece come from Republican sources and this poses some questions about her future in the party/movement.

I don't think that matters of bruised egos are other than superficially interesting here. Republicans have a real fat problem with Palin. There is simply no way she could survive either the election, if she ran, nor the fight for the nomination. She would be - and this seems a certainty - eviscerated in both contests simply because of what would happen in the debates. She would be an embarrassment far greater than what happened two years ago because she'd be in the spotlight and not a sidekick.

But for the Tea Party/movement people, she would be without fault. She'd be a victim. In the contest for candidacy she would be, obviously, victimized by Republicans! The capacity here to rip the coalition apart is serious and the smart folks will not want this to happen.

But even if through some unimaginable route she gained the nomination, then she's into serious spotlight territory and debates and what a friggin disaster that would be. So the smart folks in the Republican circle can't allow this to happen because the whole party/movement would be thrown into unprecedented disrepute for advancing this incompetent creature.

So no good can come from a run by Palin and much that is bad can. Will.

Thus, she has to be disempowered but without damaging the coalition and the fundraising/activism stimulation she can provide. And I think few if any of the boys at the top know what she is planning to do (nor does she) so she's a loose cannon, nuclear gauge.

From my standpoint, it's all quite delicious.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

our POTUS camr from the gutter? I see that you are in fine disgusting form brigade.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman


NONE of those things were threatened under Bush or Reagan


WE ARE TAKING OUR NATION BACK.


You are going to have to live with a Traditional America - one that we ALL grew up with.


YOU can take your liberal trash and leave if you don't like it.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

back to the 18th century, will you have a new name to hide under tomorrow?

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable - the liberals ARE out of control in this nation - they are losing it


AND look at the WACKADOODLE solution

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Some 6,400 staffers and students at Winston-Salem State University received e-mail exhortations Monday to take advantage of early voting and help the Democratic Party, setting off local Republicans.

After a complaint by Nathan Tabor, the chairman of the Forsyth County GOP, university officials acknowledged that the e-mail — sent from the student-affairs division — was improper.

The university cited a state law that prohibits the use of a state employee’s authority or state property to support or oppose a person or an issue in any election.

“We regret it,” said Nancy Young, the director of public relations at WSSU. “We sent out a retraction and said to disregard the earlier e-mail.”

That wasn’t the end of it, though. Yesterday, the university sent out what Tabor called an “equal time” e-mail inviting all the same recipients to work for Republicans during early voting.

That message was to be retracted by the university last night once it had been out six hours — the same amount of time the Democrat message was out before being retracted.

Tabor said he’s upset that he had to call the university and complain.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Liam said: "Name how many Christian Countries have been occupied by Muslim nations in the past hundred years.

Then go count up the number of Christian lands who have occupied Muslim lands in the same time period. To make it easier for you. Take a look at all those Christian lands who were ruling Muslim lands at the time WW2 started. Hint. Egypt. Iraq. Algeria. Morocco. Sudan. Palestine. Yemen etc.

Throw in non Arab muslim lands such as Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. Get the picture yet?

Now name all the Military bases in the USA that are under the control of armed forces from a Muslim nation. How many times has a Muslim nation invaded the USA.

Did Iran ever send over a military force to overthrow the elected government of America, and Install an American Puppet dictator?

Yes the terrorists are homicidal psychopaths, but they are not a Muslim nation, any more than the Christian KKK were or are."

If your assessment of the motivation of the above is, as Twain put it: "So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code." We'll just have to agree to disagree. I do not believe that any of your examples was/is a result of religious intolerance as posited by Twain.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

back to the 18th century, will you have a new name to hide under tomorrow? secession and nullification also high on gop goals

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

You forget, in the 19th century, it was the Democratic Party which wrote the Jim Crow laws - and arranged to have them enforced by the KKK.


So don't look back, it only hurts your cause.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"WE ARE TAKING OUR NATION BACK.


You are going to have to live with a Traditional America - one that we ALL grew up with.


YOU can take your liberal trash and leave if you don't like it."

Sorry, but the USA is a left of center nation. Look at the Bush and Republican Congress years. Arguably one of the most conservative governments we'd had since WWII. What did they do with the educational system? Did they pass a bill to expand charter schools? Did they bust teachers' unions? No. They passed a bill requiring schools to live up to Federal standards. What about health care? The signature Bush accomplishment was to expand Medicare. If the US is so right of center, then why aren't Republicans proposing any spending cuts? Why is it that their defense against the Affordable Care Act is to lie about it? If America was so right of center, you would think that the truth about the law would be enough to turn public opinion against it.

Republicans might take the House. They won't take the Senate. But one thing is for sure, they'd better maintain expanding government and passing liberal proposals otherwise they will be out on their asses.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Now folks do you understand why Juan Williams, Mara Liasson, and Alan Colmes were hired by Ailes.
He hired them because he wanted three “of the dumbest liberal f*ucks he could find.”
And believe me, he got what he wanted.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010
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I haven't noticed that much difference in the intellects of liberal talking heads. MSNBC has undoubtedly scraped the bottom of the barrel with Olbermann, Schultz, and O'Donnell---surely they don't pay them more than minimum wage---and Nina Totenberg would be working on her back for $2 a throw if she wasn't old and ugly. As for the rest, Ailes could have just drawn names out of a hat if he wanted bonafide morons.

Welcome to the wide, wonderful world of liberalism, Juan Williams. You reaped what you helped sow. What it must feel like to be a black liberal in America fired for racial bigotry! The irony. This is exhibit two---exhibit one being the election of Obama---that African-Americans are at last fully integrated in American society. They must now relinquish their status as favored minority to gays and Muslims.

Juan can now have dinner with Don Imus, who groveled before Al Sharpton when he should have spit in his face. Or Rick Sanchez. Or Helen Thomas. Or the late Howard Cosell. You see, liberals aren't really tolerant at all. They even eat their own. You can rant and rave all you want about white (or even black) conservatives, but lay off everyone else. Or else.

If the folks at NPR weren't bed-wetting, pants-sh/tting ninnies, Williams would still be there. You didn't see Fox fire Bill O'Reilly when he so flustered Joy Behar and the Walking Mop of the View that they had to go backstage and scrape their legs. Don't like what the guys at Fox say? Tough.

I'm a sick of my tax dollars going to support a pinko propaganda mill like NPR. If you in the otherwise unemployable NPR crowd can't compete in the marketplace of ideas, spit out the federal teat, go lay down in a corner somewhere and lick your privates. Go on real welfare.

Republicans are always asked what they want to cut to get this massive deficit under control. They should be put on notice when they regain control of the House to not budget one thin dime for NPR.
A small move, but somewhere to start. Let the Dems go public and fight for these commie idiots.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I do not believe that any of your examples was/is a result of religious intolerance as posited by Twain.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 8:50 PM

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You still have not answers my questions. Name all the Christian Lands that have been invaded by Muslims, and occupied by them, in the past hundred years. Then name the Muslim lands that were occupied by Christian Lands, in the same time period.

Name one Muslim nation that has ever attempted to invade the USA, or to establish military bases here.

You are engaging in sophistry, by hiding behind the religious motivation. Al Qaeda is not a Muslim nation, no matter how many times Bill O'Reilly and Juan Williams tries to convince people that they rule all of Islam.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

we have heard that tired argument that Strom Thurmond and Jessie Helms were all loyal Ds. Problem with that is that is R revisonist history and no one is buying that racist garbage we have heard from you for 2 years.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Actually, if Republicans ever wanted to regain status as an intellectually honest party, NPR would be a good place to start. During the health care debates, they frequently had intelligent Republicans on there talking about it. I don't know that their points were completely valid, but they came across as normal, thinking human beings. They won't have Glen Beck on there, but NPR is pretty balanced. Conservatives just think that any entity that doesn't spout Republican white paper is liberally biased. Hence, the formation of the conservative version of Wikipedia. Since the general public just has a liberal bias.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 21, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

The subject of the day is JUAN WILLIAMS


And how RACIST the liberals are against BLACKS WHO DON'T AGREE WITH THEIR AGENDA

Clearly, if a black man appears on Fox News, that something that they view as wrong.

AND, if that black man starts to agree with some of those views, that is viewed as a major problem as well.


NPR's actions are RACIST - those actions would NOT have been taken against a person who was white or liberal.


NPR is disgraceful - and SHAMEFUL.


To the liberals on this blog - it would be appreciated if you would start AGREEING - and start being HONEST -


And let's hear it - let's hear it now.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

He is just the boy to pull it off. He is a master at distributing Tobacco Lobby and K Street checks. That should reduce the tannic acid level in their teapots.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 6:49 PM
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That's ole Liam. Posting while stupid again.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

YOU ARE A LIAR.

Clearly and simple - the House Republican Conference put out a plan of what they are running on - and NONE of those cuts are in the plan


So - if you want to CHARACTERIZE the position of the other side, please be HONEST.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Here's betting we will be seeing a Juan Williams special report on the truth behind the New Black Panther party.

Posted by: lynell33 | October 21, 2010 6:54 PM |
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Why don't you give us the truth? I'd like to hear it from a true D-bagger.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

No. I was not posting as you.

Did someone say; A Brigade to no where.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Bearclaw1 is apparently unable to discern between tragic error and intentional, terror driven tragedy.

Posted by: actuator | October 21, 2010 7:32 PM
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Are you implying he's an idiot?

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

America wants to get rid of the liberals, who have clearly over-stepped the bounds of what is considered ACCEPTABLE IN THE AMERICAN POLITICAL SYSTEM.


Transfers of wealth are considered UNAMERICAN - and the country is sick of these schemes and deceptions from the democrats.


Yes, I WILL call you are LIAR.


What is at stake is AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT.


Here is the Republican Plan - if you mischaracterize it, you are LYING - and that is EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

http://pledge.gop.gov/resources/library/documents/pledge/a-pledge-to-america.pdf

If you want to read it, go ahead, I SUSPECT YOU ARE COMMENTING ON THIS DOCUMENT WITHOUT READING IT FIRST.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful quote from that disgusting communist heathen America-hating Mark Twain...

"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code.
- Mark Twain, a Biography"

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:26 PM
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Bernie always has to get in a shot against Christianity, even if his post has nothing whatsoever to do with any ongoing discussion. I suppose if you're headed where he seems to be, you might as well enjoy the ride.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Re the Twain quote and subsequent discussion...

Twain isn't indicting the Church for being uniquely destructive, for goodness sakes. He's indicting the us/them tribalism that members of the Church OR ANY OTHER SUCH COMMUNITY can, and so commonly do, fall to - with murderous consequences.

He speaks of the Church specifically because that is the most prevalent and consequential religious community of his nation and culture. And because it bears enormous moral guilt for what it has done. This is a moral basic - we are most acutely responsible for ourselves and our community. That the Hutus and Tutsis hacked each other up or that the Iranian regime murdered many protesting Iranians recently are horrid moral acts but that others have done such things, perhaps far worse than the Church offers us no moral excuse for what we have done.

Too be "indifferent" as Twain argues is to avoid the us/them tribal opposition. It means not defining yourself or excusing yourself in relationship to some "other".

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

What happened to Juan William PROVES THE INTOLERANCE OF THE LIBERALS.


That is NOT how America should be.


Obama and his liberal crew should all be FORCED TO RESIGN.


Juan Williams was FIRED FOR NOT BEING LIBERAL


This is a complete joke - but that is how Obama and the democrats think - it is disgraceful and shameful.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Christianity appears to have gotten in a lot more real gun shots at non Christians than the other way around.

Those were German Christians that slaughtered six million of Bernie's people.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Bloomberg has an interesting article about how GOP business leaders are shunning the Tea Party candidates, in favor of more establishment Republicans.

"Sarah Palin is on the cover of the current edition of Bloomberg Businessweek, but it's not necessarily an endorsement of her or the tea party. "The tea party's small-government slogans may be appealing, but its policies could throw the U.S. economy into chaos," says the cover story's intro."

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The Tea Party's brand of political nitroglycerin, in short, is too unstable for businesses that look to government for predictability, moderation, and the creation of a stable economic environment. "A lot of the agenda is being driven by the extremes," says John Castellani, the former head of the Business Roundtable who left in July to take the helm of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA). "This kind of extremism makes it much harder to plan from a business perspective."

Read more: http://www.adn.com/2010/10/20/1510758/why-business-doesnt-trust-the.html#ixzz132tcHENr

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 21, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Liam said: "You are engaging in sophistry, by hiding behind the religious motivation. Al Qaeda is not a Muslim nation, no matter how many times Bill O'Reilly and Juan Williams tries to convince people that they rule all of Islam.:

Look, if you think I'm engaging in sophistry than I apologize, bernie, in his infinite tut-tutting use a quote from Mark Twain, the implication of which is that reason most wars, and deaths that result, are a result of religious hostility. I furthermore took it to mean that said religious bloodletting, in particular Christian related bloodletting, was still going on and asked where it has occurred, respective of Christianity, in the last 150 years.

Every example you have provided I have disagreed with as to the motivation (and that's what I thought we were discussing) of the parties involved. Granted, the dominant religious affiliations are often of different religions, I just disagree that their primary motivations were due to religious intolerance.

Therefor, given my understanding of the issue at hand, how did I not answer your questions, let alone use sophistry. We obviously disagree on the prime motivations in your example.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Another thing, I work at a hospital, if I was to go on TV, in my work uniform, with my work badge on, identifying me as working for "X" hospital, and bad mouth the health care given at my hospital, or talked trash about how dumb the nurses and interns are, my 1st ammendment rights say I can say whatever I like, but it doesn't say that my job can't fire me for exercising that right while implicitly representing the hospital!

That's what NPR did.

Posted by: lynell33 | October 21, 2010 7:33 PM
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Your post is incoherent. No one is saying NPR can't fire Williams. They can and did. We're just saying the powers at NPR are fools and long overdue to have their hog-like snouts kicked out of the federal trough. They have a right to say whatever they want, but I don't have to pay to keep them on the air. This isn't going to help liberals. The public is just going to take an even dimmer view of them.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

liar is that the best you got. Notice ZERO Rs are running on the pledge that neatiy avoided
cutting back Earmarks or specific deficit cuts. Why b/c Bachman and Sessions have been some of the highest users of stimulus funds. And no R has proposed edding the Minimum Wage? Apparently you have not listened to anything all of your whacked out loonie candidates from Alaska, to Wisconsin, to Nevada, to Colorado have repeated and won't back away from when they call the Minimum Wage an UNCONSITUTIONAL INFRINGEMENT on small businesses. Certainly in your world that means they stand 4 square behind the Minimum Wage.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

The NPR firing of Juan Williams is a perfect example of the AMERICA THE LIBERALS WANT TO IMPOSE ON YOU.

If you don't agree with them, they do not respect your Freedom of Speech.

Instead, they believe you should be subjected to retribution. If you are black, the liberals believe that you SHOULD agree with them - based solely on how THEY think you should THINK BECAUSE YOU ARE BLACK.


It is completely disgraceful.


THAT IS NOT THE AMERICA THAT AMERICANS WANT


This election is important - it is important to TURN THE TIDE on Obama and the liberals who have ABUSED THIS POLITICAL SYSTEM.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

The statistically most advantageous means to producing more stupid people...

"The regional trends are unmistakable: in the Northeast, where sex-ed is the norm, teen-birth rates are extremely low. In the "Bible Belt," where abstinence education is the norm, teen-birth rates are extremely high. That's not a coincidence."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_10/026248.php

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:39 PM
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Speaking of stupid, a topic on which you are undoubtedly speaking from experience,
give this a liberal spin for me:

A recent study indicated that among the American population Hispanics have a longer average life span than either whites or blacks, yet they use health services at a much lower rate. ???

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Eisenhower overthrowing the elected government of Iran, is what brought about today's Iranian Theocracy. The USA meddles too much in the affairs of sovereign nations, and then wonders why some of their people get so mad at us, that they join terrorist groups.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

So common as to almost seem unremarkable...

"GOP Candidate Hartzler Wants ‘Government To Leave Us Alone’ Yet Has Taken $774,325 In Federal Subsidies"

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/21/hartzler-hypocrite-farm/

I am, as a matter of steadfast and noble principle, totally against what I have, and continue to, receive.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

But hey, forget 'bout that, back to the Juan Williams/conservative boo hoo fest!

Posted by: lynell33 | October 21, 2010 7:49 PM
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Tell me, libs, is it okay now to make fun of Juan Williams and belittle him without being a racist? Has he joined the club of Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele, et al., where we can call him names? Has he ever said anything about being a mongrel?

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

NOT only word from you on the totalitarian firing of Juan Williams - that is how the liberals think.

The liberals have become a threat to LIBERTY.

Seriously man, you haven't said anything about Juan Williams. You have to grow up and admit the liberals are completely out of their minds.


The liberals came in, promising bipartisanship - instead the nation got an attempt to jam through liberal policies which they hoped would be permanent.

That is not bipartisan - it is a bunch of liars who can NOT be trusted.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The regional trends are unmistakable: in the Northeast, where sex-ed is the norm, teen-birth rates are extremely low. In the "Bible Belt," where abstinence education is the norm, teen-birth rates are extremely high. That's not a coincidence."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_10/026248.php

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 7:39 PM
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Sarah Palin's own family is a clear example of what happens when you rely on modern day teens just saying no to sex. Hell Palin herself was pregnant when she got married, in her mid twenties.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

bernie said: "consequential religious community of his nation and culture"

I disagree. I think he was referring to religious intolerance. I'm curious as to what "bears enormous moral guilt for what it has done" he holds the various religions that existed in the U.S. at that time is quilty of. Agsin, if your opinion is that he is indicting intolerance of some "other" and used religion as the "meta" we disagree.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

What a horrible human being. I'm so hot about it I can't begin to express my disgust and contempt for the man.

GOTV!!

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 21, 2010 7:55 PM
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Didn't he once say something about Barney F*gg? The horrors! Only liberals are allowed to be bigots and say disgusting things.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

there is a very simple legal concept that I have never been thrilled with but apparently the wing nuts here tonight want to end, its called Employment at Will. Or perhaaps the GOP is now advocating frivolous litigation for wrongfull termination for Mr. Williams. Apparently only brigade understands that in a free market economy employers can hire and fire anyone they want for most any nondescirimination baisis they see fit. But I am on board to end Employment at Will. It is good to know that the GOP hates the minimum wage AND employment at will laws.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"He's indicting the us/them tribalism that members of the Church OR ANY OTHER SUCH COMMUNITY can, and so commonly do, fall to - with murderous consequences."

The Koran enjoins perpetual jihad against infidels, and their conversion (forced if necessary), murder, or subjugation. Islam and Christianity are not the same.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Greg (from the previous thread):

“Williams needed to say more than just that our anti-Muslim instincts can't translate into mistreatment of Muslims. He needed to clarify that anti-Muslim feelings need to be battled against, by saying something like: "It's wrong for us to feel this way, even if it's understandable." “

Does it really make sense to assert that thoughts or feelings can be “wrong”? I don’t think so. Morality is a standard of behavior, not feelings. We cannot choose how we will “feel” towards this or that, but we can choose how we behave in light of those feelings, and that indeed is the important thing. It is not “irrelevant”, as Greg claims. To declare that it is “wrong” to even have particular feelings or fears (regardless of whether or not they are grounded in reason) is, it seems to me, not only an incoherent understanding of the concept of morality/"wrongness", but is precisely the foundation on which the notion of thought crimes is built.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

You don't want to talk about how much of a threat to the nation the liberals are.

Instead, you come up with some set of DECEPTIONS - and say people should support your side.

The deception is the Republicans are NOT going to make the cuts you say. They NEVER made those cuts under Reagan or Bush - so where is your basis for saying that? You have none.

I gave the website address for the Republican positions -


The issue of today is Juan Williams - and it show just how nutty the liberals are. And how unqualified to govern the liberals are.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I am, as a matter of steadfast and noble principle, totally against what I have, and continue to, receive.

Posted by: bernielatham

Renault: "I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here."

Croupier: "Your winnings, sir."

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 21, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

totalitarian firing. Nice theatrics, so I guess we can include your name(one of 5 in the last 30 days) to ending Employment at Will laws.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

The liberals have become just that: totalitarian.

Address the issues.


Don't try to deceive people into believing that things will be cut - things that were never cut under Reagan or Bush. There is a clear track-record there.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

leichtman1 wrote,
'my wife and I just doubled our yearly pledge to NPR. By the way:
"NPR gets no allocation from CPB. Zero. We are a private 501(c)3. We’ve had journalists call up and ask what department of the government we report to."'
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Good to know you're supporting intolerance. Make your contributions big, because Public Broadcasting's days at the trough may be about over. If you're implying that NPR doesn't get federal funding, that's clearly false. They get millions each year. Say, what happened to Air America? Didn't you send them enough money to keep them on the air?

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Juan can file a $6.9 million suit against NPR, like Christine O'Donnell did against the nonprofit that dumped her.

And then, like Christine, he can opine that the solution to rising health care costs is to stop frivolous litigation.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 21, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"Those were German Christians that slaughtered six million of Bernie's people."

Guess I have to clear this one up. Though I most definitely wear, as a genetic bequeathment, what Larry David referred to in one episode as a "jewface", I was raised as a Mennonite.

My people got it quite a bit earlier through rejection of the notion that fealty was due some ambitious royal or aristocrat who currently held sway over land where we resided and who thought it convenient to use us for cannon fodder. And there was a thing about baptism too which wasn't popular with more dominant Christian groups. So we got a shitkickin' but who hasn't?

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's why Fox get everyone in a tizzy to try to de-fund NPR.

George Soros grant

In October 2010, NPR accepted a $1.8 million grant from George Soros, given through his Open Society Foundation. The grant is meant to begin a project called Impact of Government that is intended to add at least 100 journalists at NPR member radio stations in all 50 states over the next three years[22]

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 21, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

What happened when we outsourced to Blackwater?

You keep reciting your Rand novel. The rest of us live in the real world.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 21, 2010 8:15 PM
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Always happy to respond to a troll, even a stupid one. Come back when it's been an hour or two since you smoked crack. Outsourcing to Blackwater has nothing to do with any post I made.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow...all I can say is wow. Listen to how some of these right wing...there really is no other word than fascists..post here. Let me make it clear I'm not calling all righties or R's fascists...I'm not going to return the favor as they label us so often..socialists..no I'm not calling Q.Beck a fascist...but when people use this kind of language...words have freaking meanings..

"once the GOP take over" Not when the GOP wins..or gets elected..but TAKES OVER.
I realize I have selected a line from one of the cretins who posts here but he is not alone...in fact if you add up all of STRF,C.oC.Leaf et al sock puppets you could get a large number. Seriously though there are a frightening number of cretins who think this way who are now posting here.

A little lesson. Party's don't take over unless are truly fascist. They are elected to REPRESENT ALL of their constituents. See if some of you mental midgets can understand this...R's represent D's as well as R's...D's represent R's as well as D's...it is their freaking CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY! They don't TAKE OVER!!!

But when you think of how incredibly ignorant the titular head of the tea party...Sarah Palin is about the Constitution...the 1st Amendment guarantees the right of free speech...not the right to be paid to exercise that free speech..or even exercise that free speech in a PRIVATE domain...i.e. Greg has the right to ban any of us...it WOULD NOT BE A VIOLATION OF OUR FREE SPEECH OR THE FIRST AMENDMENT...if the Government tried to ban us...THAT's the violation of our 1st Amendment rights. Stupid Sarah STILL hasn't learned this simple fact about the 1st Amendment in over two years now. What a freaking cement head! Simple Sarah seeks to divide our nation into "real" America and what.."unreal" America? Sharon Angle is looking for 2nd Amendment solutions if these people DON'T get to TAKE OVER. Dimbulb Christine O'Donnell who literally has Zero accomplishments in life, who has lied, showed her ignorance time and again...also doesn't comprehend the 1st Amendment and what it MEANS! And yet thanks to the morons in the tea party this BIMBO is actually a nominee for the U.S. Senate. She is an embarrassment to America and even the sane R's realize this.

TAKE OVER my a&s! That is how some of you inbreds view this...it's pathetic and it's unpatriotic and completely UNAMERICAN.
Check yourselves...please. Whoever wins in two weeks will be required to represent ALL OF US...not just those in his party...unless you are a fascist...it will be an ELECTION..NOT A TAKEOVER!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The Right Wing Chicken Hawks love to cite the Koran, and yet; no Muslim nation has every invaded the western hemisphere.

But America sure has waged war, and fomented wars in Muslim lands.

Reagan pitted Saddam against Iran, and helped that monster wage war.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Liam

would you stop with the "slaughter" and "kiling" comments - let's get serious

In an era of de-colonization, the Christians have WITHDRAWN from many lands.


What did the Christians get in return? Terrorism.


You really don't have a point - or one that you are making with any clarity.


This nation is fighting terrorism - we are PROTECTING American citizens from people who want to kill Americans. Whether you like it or not that is the reality.


If you are nice to these people, they still will want to kill innocent Americans.


Your plan will not work. What works is killing the terrorists - and militarily taking out their forces.

Right now, Obama is negotiating with the Taliban through Karzai in Afghanistan. Obama is giving the Taliban SAFE PASSAGE to these talks.


Why don't you comment on that? That certainly is a good debate as to whether that policy is wise or not.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

you just don't get it, you never have. Rs in Alaska, Wisconsin, W Va, and Nevada .are not calling to cut the minimum wage, they are calling it UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Apparently they would prefer the same wages paid in China and Indonesia. How about sweat shops and child labor laws, likely the next unconstititional infringement on small businesses according to the whacked out GOP. Maybe ending the minimum wage is the GOP answer to ending outsourcing jobs to China.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

our POTUS camr from the gutter? I see that you are in fine disgusting form brigade.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 8:35 PM
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And I see that you're three sheets to the wind again.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

The minimum wage is Constitutional, so you stop with the crap.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

and you think it cute to post that YOUR POTUS came from the gutter? Sorry it is no longer humorous to hear that kind of garbage, some of us were not raised that way to say ugly things about our POTUS. Save it for your Tea Party friends.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

A lot of other folks have underlined the quote I posted this morning:

"Carbon regulation, cap and trade, it's all just a money-control avenue," Ms. Khuri added. "Some people say I'm extreme, but they said the John Birch Society was extreme, too."

Here's a portion of Tomasky's comment on it...

"We tend to laugh these people off, but sometimes you have to remember that it really isn't a laughing matter. From Kelly Khuri to Ginni Thomas to Sharron Angle and Rand Paul and Ken Buck to many many others, these are some of the unfunniest people out there."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/oct/21/us-politics-tea-party-movement

I'm not laughing. Not even chuckling.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 21, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Those were German Christians that slaughtered six million of Bernie's people.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 9:17 PM
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Really? What part of the New Testament did they use as justification? Just curious.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I really like the programming on NPR. Does anyone else listen to Diane Rheem or Tom Ashbrook or those two hilarious car mechanics on Saturday?

Rheem and Ashbrook have hour long interview programs which are immensely interesting and allow enough time for the subject to be discussed at length. In this day of instant analysis of the most difficult subjects, I find NPR's approach to be old fashioned but admirable.

Another thing I like about the interview shows, which on Friday are panels, is that they don't waste the listener's time by having shouting matches. Respect and civility is demanded of the guests, and they comply.

A third thing I like about Rheem and Ashbrook is that there are many shows that are about topics other than politics. Writers, playwrights, philosophers, scientists all appear as guests.

The car repair guys (Car Talk) are just the greatest, dispensing their auto repair advice with maximum laughs.

After a day of NPR, I have learned something new. I have listened to at least one or two important topics, at length. I am a better informed person.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 21, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"John Raese, the Republican candidate for Senator in West Virginia, is running against the minimum wage. But he is not just saying it is a bad idea — he's arguing that it is fundamentally unconstitutional. Joe Miller, the Republican candidate for Senate in Alaska, is saying the same thing."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2026515,00.html#ixzz1334NawGZ

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 21, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Liam

9/11 was an Act of War

The detroit plane bomb last December was an Act of War

The Fort Hood shooting was a Act of War

The bomb in Times Square on May 1 was an Act of War.


Would you just STOP IT ???

Grow up, people are trying to KILL INNOCENT AMERICANS - and our nation is ACTING TO PREVENT THAT.


If you don't like it, leave the country.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman

Many States also have minimum wages - if the State minimum is higher, that wage prevails.

If you are so concerned about this issue, the State legislatures can also act in this area.

So you have two avenues to do what you want to do.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Q.Beck strikes again. Once again he presents his exalted opinion from on high as fact..he knows all...errr except when he doesn't!

"The Koran enjoins perpetual jihad against infidels, and their conversion (forced if necessary), murder, or subjugation. Islam and Christianity are not the same."
Posted by: quarterback1 | October 21, 2010 9:34 PM

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/beliefs/other.htm

Contrary to Islam's reputation of converting by the sword, the Qur'an is clear that there must be "no compulsion in religion." {1} Yet Muslims are not pluralistic in their worldview - they consider their religion to the be the true religion and invite people of all races, nationalities and religions to be part of it.

Islam is closely connected to the two other Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Christianity. In fact, the Qur'an explains that the religion of the Jews and Christians is the same as that revealed to Muhammad, and Allah is God of them all.

Muhammad spoke approvingly of Jews and Christians as fellow "People of the Book," and the Qur'an even allows a Muslim man to take a Jewish or Christian woman for his wife. {4} It also expresses admiration for the Jews, in that "they know the Book as they know their own children!" {5}

If there is anything worse than a pompous arrogant a-hole it's an ignorant, bigoted, pompous a-hole!

BTW smarmy religious bigots...take this paragraph and simply substitute Christianity for Islam and the sentence is just as accurate!

Yet Muslims (CHRISTIANS) are not pluralistic in their worldview - they consider their religion to the be the true religion and invite people of all races, nationalities and religions to be part of it.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

That is how some of you inbreds view this...it's pathetic and it's unpatriotic and completely UNAMERICAN.
Check yourselves...please. Whoever wins in two weeks will be required to represent ALL OF US...not just those in his party...unless you are a fascist...it will be an ELECTION..NOT A TAKEOVER!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 9:46 PM
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Believe it or not, I've been called worse things. You're not doing drugs again tonight are you?

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Bush Sr. urged the Shiites to rebel against Saddam, and when they did, he then let Saddam attack and slaughter them.

Then along comes Dick Cheney to claim that the Bush/Cheney invasion would be greeted with sweets and flowers by those very same Shiite people who Bush Sr. had betrayed to Saddam.

Right Wingers Chicken Hawks are the scum of the earth, and Brigade is their pet sewer rat.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

ScottC3 said: "To declare that it is “wrong” to even have particular feelings or fears (regardless of whether or not they are grounded in reason) is, it seems to me, not only an incoherent understanding of the concept of morality/"wrongness", but is precisely the foundation on which the notion of thought crimes is built."

It's almost as if Greg is imposing a religious test to Juan Williams. Isn't it a tenant of Pauline Christianity that "sinning in one's heart" should be avoided?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still at 9:27

So what now, we are supposed to apologize for what we did in the 1950s when we were fighting the COLD WAR ???


OH by the way, if you have a complaint about that Iranian action, CALL BP


yes, CALL BP AND COMPLAIN TO THEM.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

and you think it cute to post that YOUR POTUS came from the gutter? Sorry it is no longer humorous to hear that kind of garbage, some of us were not raised that way to say ugly things about our POTUS. Save it for your Tea Party friends.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 9:52 PM
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I wasn't raised that way either, but I'm a quick study. You should drop by more often. That was a compliment compared to most of the remarks the liberals here direct at conservatives. Have you seen what they've said tonight about former Congressman Dick Armey. Have you ever heard of Agent Orange? Or Dubya? Or any of the talk about how Cheney should be tried and executed? I'm just around to provide a little balance.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

interesting that you think that the MW is constitutional. Joe Miller is an actual legal scholar who I think actually went to Yale Law School, maybe Princenton and he disagrees with you and has not backed down in calling the MW Unconstitutional. Dumb political move that will likely cost him a Senate seat to Lisa. By the way the primary host on Air America has a title that Ms. O'Donnell will never have. As for Air America their corporate model was poorly conceived. It is fascinating that every week the radical right comes up with new boogeymen as though having Faux News as the face of the GOP is not enough. I wouldnt get bent out of shape over your newest faux outrage, NPR will be just fine regardless of how much the radical right wants to try and intimidate them.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Brigade...way to reveal your total lack of intellectual capacity. A childish ad hominem attack worthy of any 3rd grade brain or 3rd rate mentality..you're not taking drugs...oooohhh Brigade so smart..he make funny...he know how to insult..ohhh Brigade rub hair off his knuckles as they drag the ground.

Do better loser...try some facts of links and dispense with the ad hominem. The hilarious thing about your post is I went to great lengths to CLARIFY that I wasn't talking about Q.Beck or many other righties and R's Your post simply reveals that since you feel it was directed at you even though only STRF and his many sock puppets you feel you must be a cretin.
It also believes you feel like fascists that if the R's win substantial gains in an ELECTION they are TAKING OVER.
Sig Heil Brigade!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

“The statistically most advantageous means to producing more stupid people...”

One wonders if Bernie would have felt comfortable with such gratuitous insults if he had bothered to read what Leslie Kantor, national education director of The Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said in the article highlighting the report:

“"The report demonstrates that the surest way to reduce teenage pregnancy is to provide young people with comprehensive, medically accurate sex education, and doing so is especially urgent for African-Americans and Latino teens, who are getting pregnant more frequently than other young people.”

To be fair to Bernie, I’m pretty sure he had no intention of suggesting that African-Americans and Latinos were producing “stupid people”. Surely his prejudices were focused on the more acceptable (in the bizarre world of liberals) target of “Bible Belt” religious folks. Still, a good reminder that even progressives can be bigots.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/state-issues/125059-cdc-finds-stark-regional-disparities-in-teen-pregnancy-rates

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Did someone say; A Brigade to no where.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 9:08 PM
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Brigade is just as much of an information-free spammer as STRF is.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 21, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7 wrote,
"If there is anything worse than a pompous arrogant a-hole it's an ignorant, bigoted, pompous a-hole!"
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See, leichtman1, this is the kind of junk we conservatives have to put up with here. Aren't you even a wee bit reluctant to be associated with a political party populated by such hate-mongers?

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The MOST IMPORTANT THING right now is to get a check and balance onto the FAR LEFT WING AGENDA OF OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS


The future of the nation is at risk right now.


I urge ALL AMERICANS to ACT IMMEDIATELY to get this check and balance on these people who want to IMPOSE THEIR WILL on the AMERICAN PEOPLE.


We all know what they want to do - and what they want to control


There are many in this nation who believe the liberals have CROSSED THE LINE into being UNAMERICAN. And that, is a matter of debate. I would rather judge each specific statement and action by the liberals as whether it is AMERICAN OR UNAMERICAN.


However at this point, something has to be done.


We have to STOP THESE PEOPLE - AND PLACE A "CHECK AND BALANCE" on their far-left agenda which THREATENS so many things that Americans hold dear.


If you want to SAVE THIS COUNTRY, go out and VOTE - and STOP THE FAR LEFT AGENDA FROM TAKING OVER.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

@Thunder "

Brigade is just as much of an information-free spammer as STRF is."

In fairness he is not alone. When you have mental midgets like simple Sarah...Christine O..Sharron Angle...Iott..Paladino...well it's best to live in a fact free world to avoid total humiliation.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

@Brigade...."this is the kind of junk we conservatives have to put up with here."

Again Brigade try to use your intellect...such as it might exist..if indeed you have an intellect. You post this after another riposte that I'm doing drugs..or as STRF likes to say I post drunk..you are two peas out of the same pod.

But notice I didn't say anything about W. I didn't call him a fascist...just those who feel a party is taking over. As for an insult of Q.Beck that certainly falls in the category of tit for tat...again he along with you were the ones who wished to launch the meme that I am doing drugs.
Class acts you two!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

yea I know about Agent Orange a family member was exposed in VN and developed cancer over it. Armey is a self proomoting jerk, its good to know he is no longer in Congress. Cheney is in the past and doesn't have much time left so I won't wish him harm. The time to have prosecuted him, and I think he and Libby masterfully manipulated the legal system, but that is in our distant past, no need to dwell on him, no one much cares. As to the garbage characterizations of POTUS, they are dispicable and uncalled for, and certainly not what we should be teaching our children about the POTUS. Its interesting that we now hear that this kinds of childish name calling was never said about The Clintons is being used against YOUR POTUS, Obama. And I repeat that he is still YOUR POTUS whether you or the right wing friends agree with his policies or not.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Right Wingers Chicken Hawks are the scum of the earth, and Brigade is their pet sewer rat.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 10:01 PM
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Are you still here leichtman1? Look at this. This is one of your Democratic compadres. This is someone who found fault with what Juan Williams said. Believe it or not, he and about three-fourths of the other liberals here have called to have me banned. LOL. You could never make this stuff up. It's like when you were a kid in fourth-grade and there were these whining, sisified bawl-babies who tattled on everyone---ran to the teacher and continually tried to get everyone in trouble. They'd stand behind the teacher and make faces at you, and then crawl under her skirts if you scowled at them.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

From TPM. Be sure to read the entire article.

"The Right On Juan Williams: Don't Diss The Jews! But Muslims? Eh, No Problem."

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/dont-cross-the-jews-do-cross-the-muslims-the-juan-williams-story.php?ref=fpa

Excerpted:

"Karl Rove was on Fox News today, and said of NPR: "It doesn't deserve a dime of the people's money and it's been increasingly left wing, and now it's gone completely cuckoo crazy politically correct. Shame on them for having taken this man who worked for them for 10 years and fired by a phone call."

Rove said of Helen Thomas's comments in June: This was a "typical, bile-filled remark that she has increasingly tended to in recent decades. I think the Hearst papers did the right thing by cashiering her."

Bill O'Reilly decried the Williams firing on Fox News today, calling it "outrageous." He continued:

As Woody Allen once said, this is a travesty of a mockery of a sham. But it's not out of character for NPR -- they've been trying to get rid of Juan for a while because Juan is associated with the Fox News channel and NPR is -- it's not a news organization. It's basically a left wing outfit that wants one opinion.

Just a few weeks ago, O'Reilly defended CNN's decision to fire Rick Sanchez, since the network "sells their credibility as a hard news organization" and Sanchez "is supposedly representing CNN."'

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

@Brigade...for the record and I spend a lot of time on this blog and have been here long before you back in the days before it joined the WaPo and we picked up trolls like fleas..

Perhaps you can cut and paste any poster who suggested you be banned. I certainly do not advocate that. And in my memory...which you are free to challenge and disprove with your cut and paste technique...I respect you doing that..nothing like that or a link to validate...but the only two people I've heard posters wish to ban...and I say two with tongue in cheek because STRF and his many sock puppets..what is he these days..leaf or something...and Joke.

People from the right and left have tried to get rid of STRF/CoC/Leaf...people got exercised about JakeD after his post that it was his "job" to crash progressive blogs. I have yet to hear anybody advocate banning you...perhaps it happened late one night when I wasn't around.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"information-free spammer"


OH yea, take a look at some of the comments from liberals


You think some historical points - completely devoid of historical context - make any sense at all.


The liberals have ceased to make sense.

It is that simple.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

don't take yourself so seriously this is a frikin blog and certainly playing the victim card doesn't really impress anyone. You USED to be the serious conservative voice here. What happened while I was in trial, too much tea?

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Bernie,

I know you have no country, but you should at least gather some geography into your sad, empty quiver.

To wit: Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont ain't the Northeast.

And Arkansas, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas have something else going on other than being part of the BibleBelt. (Plus, to say that the region is an "abstinence only" educ regime is an outright lie.)

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/state-issues/125059-cdc-finds-stark-regional-disparities-in-teen-pregnancy-rates

Do you perhaps see anything about the above state's demographics that may effect the WaMo/Benen proggdung you parrot?

You know, if I really thought you believed what you wrote (I don't, and I know you didn't go past Benen's BS to the link), I'd say you're a stone racist a&&.

And if I was as dishonest as the shatrack Benen I'd journospam it so it would show up from Huff2Salon2Digby before you had a chance to change your Mark Twain union-suit.

Then you could be the new Juan W.!

As it is, I guess, you merely hail from the Island Principality of Lesser Smug, and don't know any better.

Dude?

Posted by: tao9 | October 21, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

It also believes you feel like fascists that if the R's win substantial gains in an ELECTION they are TAKING OVER.
Sig Heil Brigade!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:12 PM
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Omitted most of the screed. I guess you ARE on drugs.

Here's something by Howard Kurtz from The Daily Beast (read and learn):

"Who's to blame for the coming electoral tsunami? We ought to be careful about dumping on the most convenient scapegoat, those moronic voters. It's not that complicated: You either deliver or you pay the price."

Aside, of course, from all that secret foreign campaign money.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

A question for all the Juan defenders. Wonder how Juan would have felt if a white TV pundit had proclaimed on O'Reilly's show..."When I get on the DC Metro after dark and there are only a couple of black men on board...I'm afraid". Would Juan be cool with that if the black people were he and his brother?

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

tao9: "As it is, I guess, you merely hail from the Island Principality of Lesser Smug, and don't know any better.

Dude?"

Dude indeed.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

when I heard about the Juan Williams firing I thought, "good for NPR." The more I think about it, the more I am sticking with my first reaction.

He was on double (not so) secret probation for his previous work on Fox so he should have known better if he wanted to keep his NPR gig. Besides, since he stopped doing Talk of the Nation he was relegated to giving analysis on election night or doing fluff pieces; he didn't really fit there anymore.

NPR has a reputation to uphold and they do it well. The put restrictions on their employees. It is their right. They have high standards for journalism, I applaud this move.

Posted by: matt_ahrens | October 21, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7 at 9:46 PM


Now you are losing it - or you are drinking again - or both.


However, the liberals view the last election as if they "took over" - and they attempted to enact PERMANENT changes in the country based on temporary majorities.

Yes, we are having an election - and the ONLY thing at stake is whether the nation will have a "CHECK AND BALANCE" on the far left agenda.


No one is taking anything over. So just chill, it is simply about whether there will be BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE for the next two year.

That is what America will be voting for - BIPARTISANSHIP.

Which is what Obama promised AND LIED ABOUT.


So you can either vote WITH THE LIAR or vote for WHAT YOU VOTED FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

and precisely who in the world takes anything written by Howard Kurtz seriously? And as soon as the radical new House starts their impeachment and subpoena nonsense around February 1, 2011 they will be done and Obama will have the perfect foil to run against in 2012.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7,
I don't recall that you were one who called for me to be banned. And maybe it wasn't three-fourths of the liberals here; maybe it was only three-fifths.

leichtman1,
Wrong Agent Orange. It's Liam's pet name for John Boehner. Some even refer to him as Boner. Not very respectful for the next Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

ruk:

"A little lesson. Party's don't take over unless are truly fascist."

Well then I guess the Democrats are pretty widely seen as fascists then:

"U.S. generals call for Democratic takeover" – Salon, Oct 26, 2006

"Reasons for the Democratic party takeover include…” – Wikipedia, 2006 US election entry

“The Democratic takeover of Congress…” – USA Today, May 28, 2007

“President Bush this month issued his first signing statement since the Democratic takeover of Congress…” – Boston Globe, march 28, 2008

"The impending Democratic takeover of Congress..." - New York Times, Dec 5, 2006

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

and precisely who in the world takes anything written by Howard Kurtz seriously? And as soon as the radical new House starts their impeachment and subpoena nonsense around February 1, 2011 they will be done and Obama will have the perfect foil to run against in 2012. Just wait until Chairman Barton moves for raparations for poor old BP and Tony Hayward that will be a hoot.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Does Juan Williams know that the 9/11 hijackers didn't look anything like his pathetic stereotype?

Bigot is as bigot does.

And Brigade, Howard Kurtz? Hell, you probably do think he's a liberal....

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 21, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

A question for all the Juan defenders. Wonder how Juan would have felt if a white TV pundit had proclaimed on O'Reilly's show..."When I get on the DC Metro after dark and there are only a couple of black men on board...I'm afraid". Would Juan be cool with that if the black people were he and his brother?

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:36 PM
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That's very close to what Jesse Jackson once said.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

ruk, Jesse Jackson said the exact same thing several years ago.

My question is, what if Juan had expressed fear upon seeing two white men with a confederate flag symbol on their hats?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Pandaforum/juan-williams-fired-npr_n_770901_64442080.html

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Wrong Agent Orange. It's Liam's pet name for John Boehner. Some even refer to him as Boner. Not very respectful for the next Speaker of the House.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:40 PM |
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I have never called him either one of those names. I call him full body nicotine stain Boehner in honor of both his weird color, and his famous corrupt stunt of passing out Tobacco Lobby Checks on the floor of the house, just before a crucial Tobacco Industry bill was to be voted on.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 21, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

matt_ahrens wrote,
"NPR has a reputation to uphold"
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LOL. I think you mean a reputation to live down.

Posted by: Brigade | October 21, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

actually calling him Orange man is kind of funny. As I recall many of your loonie friends have called Nancy witch, bth, and worse etc didn't hear much complaining by you then. How about just calling him Speaker Oeange for the 24 miserable months we will have to deal with his theatrics.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

tao:

"You know, if I really thought you believed what you wrote (I don't, and I know you didn't go past Benen's BS to the link), I'd say you're a stone racist a&&."

I guess you noticed the same thing I did when you bothered to read the actual article.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 21, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

@leichtman Brigade has never been the serious voice from the right here. We have Kevin W. sold2u perhaps 5546433 as well although he may simply be an independent.

My first impression of Brigade was not good because he was on one of his right wing rants. Later I did read a post of his that was reasonable and so perhaps that is what you experienced.

I do give Brigade this much slack...because I am a mirror who responds to what I receive...I have a feeling that Brigade considers himself the same way.
Perhaps I've encountered him after he was already peoed by some other poster...perhaps he feels the same way about me...who knows...but we do have rational righties here...sometimes it varies from issue to issue...skipsailing and I have certainly gone round and round a time or two...but if the issue is HCR Skip becomes very rational and enjoys conducting an actual give and take discussion. IMHO that's because it is Skip's are of expertise...he's been hospital finance his adult life...and so he has confidence in his opinion and grasp of the facts.

Anyway leichtman I enjoy your posts...sorry when you wander in one of our frequent food fights...every now and then though and actual genuine discussion on the issues breaks out and we all get to learn something.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

ruk, how's it going down there? Chill in the air and leaves falling steadily, but a lovely fall so far.

Your Gov race gonna work out? I hope for your sake you don't get that criminal Rick Scott.

Looks like Rubio is a lock though, no?

Still spinning?

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 21, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

BGINCHI

Sound like Rahm is not making much headway - the aldermen don't want him.


There was a meeting of black leaders and hispanics - they don't want Rahm


Sounds like Rahm should become a Washington lobbyist - forget even fighting the residency issue.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

@Troll "My question is, what if Juan had expressed fear upon seeing two white men with a confederate flag symbol on their hats?"

I've tried to come up with an answer to your question since you first asked it.

My first thought is that wearing a confederate flag symbol is akin to a skinhead wearing a nazi swastika. Personally when I see either I don't automatically think all Southerners or all Germans are dangerous, but those symbols both represent something other than religion or nationality or color. They have been used repeatedly throughout the years as symbols of hate and violence. I don't suspect it would be irrational for anybody..white or black to become nervous when confronted by symbols of hate and violence.

As far as Juan's reaction....I'd suggest it depends on the situation...if he was out at a country bar in Elizabethton Tn. and he was the only black man and the crowd was liquored up...having lived near that wonderful community (no snark..it is a beautiful spot in the Appalachians) I would suggest he should be nervous.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

rukidding


You must be drunk NOW


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

curious why any of us should care about JW.
As for Fla, boy your state party really has problems logically Meek should have been out of the race a month ago, he is really enabling Rubio and many of us won t forget that after the election. I posted that sentiment months ago and we round and round and now look what Fla will get.Not your fault just seems pretty basic a guy 20% down like Meek is not going to get it done.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Scott,

Missed your post above...but yeah, I noticed that.

Posted by: tao9 | October 21, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

BG Yes still spinning. It's the only thing keeping the lbs off. :-)

Rubio is a lock unless as you suggest Meek drops out...not likely since Clinton just came to town to campaign for him. If Crist dropped out is vote would probably split between Rubio and Meek and so Marco still cruises.

The Governors race according to the polls is a dead heat right now. That's not how it feels on the ground here however. My wife went to her annual dental meeting two weeks ago...and she is one of about 3 Dems in the entire Florida delegation. When she asked all those R friends however they were aghast at the prospect of a crook like Scott getting the Governor's mansion.
In addition.all ten of the state's major newspapers have endorsed Sink including the righty papers like the Tampa Tribune and the Orlando Sentinel. Basically Scott has to count on the rabid R's like Joke and STRF who would vote for an R even if he advocated embracing East Germany's methods...ohhh wait that's Alaska not Florida. lol

Our weather has also been terrific...not as good as the Windy City in the fall..but still nice...highs in the 70's lows in the 60's...next week a return to the 80's.

BTW Did you ever get to read Andrew Bacevich's book. You are a writer and so I don't recommend it for it's prose...but it is an excellent study of how Eisenhowers M.I.C.'s predictions have come to fruition and our ignorance when it comes to defense...and written from the perspective of a retired U.S. Army Colonel.
Well thought out tome indeed.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 21, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

rukidding,

I get the symbolism represents a history of violence. That, i think for Williams is the point. Islamic Terrorism is something that we're afraid of and it's symbolism, for us westerners is the familiar islamic type dress. He, Williams, went on to condemn the actual discrimination of muslims, perhaps driven by his primal fear and the knowledge that that (his primal fear) needs to be conciounsly muted. I also think Williams was trying to come across as empathetic to make a larger point, and maybe he just made up this primal fear to relate to the rubes. Who knows. I honestly don't really care much about Williams as working at NPR makes him as suspect to as his work at FOX makes someone suspect to you (presumably)

As a side not, I do not think this would have ever become an issue if he had never worked for FOX.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 21, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I presume you understand that newspaper endorsements mean zero to voters. I will certainly want to have a good read about Ike who would surely be Tea Partied out of the GOP today and we could never pass the Interstate Highway system with today's GOP in charge.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

What's interesting to me is that per the tenor in the blogotubes (of pundits across the left-right spectrum, and of the commenters here) there's clear agreement:

Stipulated: NPR is a solidly left-liberal institution as to content and administration.

An unusual confluence.

Posted by: tao9 | October 21, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Time just to return to Constitutional Government

Instead of the ANCORN - and $700 Million plunge to get to 60 votes -

Don't forget the vote counting in Minnesota that took months -

AND they had to change the law in Massachusetts


THAT is how they got to 60 votes - quite ILLEGITIMATE if you ask me.


Anyway -

The country has ANOTHER ELECTION -


AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL TAKE BACK THEIR COUNTRY.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 21, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I truly hope that Greg will discuss with a thread whether Alaskan Ds should be supporting McAdamas or Murkowski in 2 weeks,
If its a choice b/w Ms. Murkowski and Miller that decision seems pretty easy for Ds. If McAdamas has little chance and Miller and Murkowski are essentially tied at 34% it would be difficult as a D to not write in her namme. I would likely wait until the night before to decide.

Posted by: leichtman1 | October 21, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman and ruk, the 3-way races are tough calls. Who blinks first? It's like a John Woo movie.

For Dems it's an especially horrible choice. Doubt it'll work out reasonably.

ruk, haven't read Bacevitch, but will do so. Heard quite a bit and read reviews. Sounds like a smart, solid guy.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 21, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Ruk, leach, and BGinchi


Tell that to Meeks


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 22, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

@tmwn: He, Williams, went on to condemn the actual discrimination of muslims, perhaps driven by his primal fear and the knowledge that that (his primal fear) needs to be conciounsly muted.

This was not William's motivation...

" This is important: for those claiming that Juan Williams bravely talked about his fears of Muslims only in order to repudiate those fears, or that his remarks were taken out of context, not even Williams himself claims that. To the contrary: in a statement he released today, he re-affirmed his original comments as NPR understood them, citing 9/11 and the Times Square bomber's comments as justification for viewing Muslims and Terrorism as connected. There's no point in raising excuses for Williams which he himself does not even raise and which, in fact, he negates with his own statement." GG

"As a side not, I do not think this would have ever become an issue if he had never worked for FOX."

this is the latest in a series of misguided (to be charitable) statements he has made as a pundit on fox and in the editorial pages. .

Posted by: srw3 | October 22, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: mafenjuoy21 | October 22, 2010 3:07 AM | Report abuse

God! The NPR is RACIST. Got rid of their last remaining high profile Black talent. As I've said ever since the the early 60's, Dems & libs are racists.

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 22, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

@tao - your outrage is noted. It seems like you are suggesting that the criticism is directed at a region rather than common cultural tendencies within a region. I know you've never spoken of "east coast elites" or "san francisco liberals" etc. so I won't mention that stuff.

This CDC study is hardly unique in identifying negative relationships between lack of sex ed and unhappy outcomes. And the main drive to inhibit sex ed comes out of the christian right.

You can cast this as some indictment of the center of the country if that's fun for you but that's hardly the point. The point is the value of education and the significant level of neurosis regarding sexuality that is evident in pockets of culture here and elsewhere.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 22, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

There is some talk now that Juan Williams had a contract with NPR and was not subject to any "At Will" statutes. Also a suggestion that NPR had technically waived any right to fire Williams for the reasons given because they had stood by for so long and allowed him to do the very same things for which he was dismissed. NPR's lawyers must disagree. We'll see if Juan decides to take legal action and if he has any legs on which to stand.

Posted by: Brigade | October 22, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Very good piece by Greenhouse this morning on the obstruction by Republicans of court appointees when Dems are making the appointments along with her hope that Roberts will get his friggin act together on this issue (I'm not hopeful but she lays out a valid ethical challenge for the CJ)
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/calling-john-roberts/?hp

Posted by: bernielatham | October 22, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Brigade - any reason why you don't link that "talk"?

Posted by: bernielatham | October 22, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"The point is the value of education and the significant level of neurosis regarding sexuality that is evident in pockets of culture here and elsewhere."

Do you mean the pockets of culture occupied by African-American and Latino teens? Because according to national education director of The Planned Parenthood Federation of America Leslie Kantor's reading of the study, that is the demographic which is "getting pregnant more frequently than other young people" and for whom sex education is "especially urgent".

Is this the demographic that is producing, according to you, "stupid people"?

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 22, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

This piece will gain a lot of attention and it should...

"These records show that while the chamber boasts of representing more than three million businesses, and having approximately 300,000 members, nearly half of its $140 million in contributions in 2008 came from just 45 donors. Many of those large donations coincided with lobbying or political campaigns that potentially affected the donors."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/us/politics/22chamber.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

Posted by: bernielatham | October 22, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Scott. As you intuit, my position is that the white race is superior.

Otherwise...

Checking around a bit, I see that NPR seems to be doing very well in terms of growth of audience numbers and loyalty with now over 30 million weekly listeners and stat on a good continuing rise. I hadn't known that (or had forgotten).

But I guess this ought not to surprise as America is a center-left nation.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 22, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"Eugene Robinson says Juan Williams got a raw deal,"

if you read Robinson you know he defends anyone that's black.

Posted by: newagent99 | October 22, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

And another good NYT piece on Bob Perry just popped up...

“It’s not just Swift Boat, it’s not just Karl Rove,” Mr. Wheat said. “There are a range of federal and state races. He’s a partisan who believes in investing in Republican control at the state and federal level, and people around the country are starting to get to know Bob Perry.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/22/us/politics/22perry.html?hp

Posted by: bernielatham | October 22, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"As you intuit, my position is that the white race is superior."

Actually, I didn't intuit that at all. Indeed, last night I explicitly rejected the possibiliity, saying "To be fair to Bernie, I’m pretty sure he had no intention of suggesting that African-Americans and Latinos were producing “stupid people”." What I intuited was that you made your "stupid" comment without actually having read the report (or the article on the report) on which you were drawing your "stupid" conclusions.

But please do confirm for us Bernie...who are these "stupid people" of whom you were speaking last night, and what, exactly, leads you to conclude that they are "stupid"?

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 22, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

NPR is clearly treating Juan Williams differently because he is black.

If Juan Williams was white, or appeared white with his same ethnic make-up, his treatment would have been different.

That is RACIST.

There appears to be a demand from the left that minorities should think a certain way based on the color of their skin.

That attitude is outrageous.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 22, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

@Troll

"That, i think for Williams is the point. Islamic Terrorism is something that we're afraid of and it's symbolism, for us westerners is the familiar islamic type dress."

Let me be clear. I'm not a PC crazy person.
I don't have a need for either Sanchez, Thomas, or Williams firing. Although now that you've opened my eyes with your last post I think Williams firing was the most appropriate.

I agree with your observation that like a confederate flag or a swastika..Muslim garb has come to represent for many Americans a symbol of violence. But while the confederate flag and swastika have earned their fear...Muslim dress has not.
I'm not saying that Muslim dress doesn't frighten Americans, I'm saying that the fact that it does feeds into the terrorist victory over us...their goal..to terrorize us...I'll ask you...do we act like a nation terrorized?

19 men dressed in WESTERN clothes blew up the buildings on 9/11. The shoe bomber and the Christmas bomber were all dressed in WESTERN clothes. The Times Square bomber lived a WESTERN life. The Fort Hood Assassin was of course in uniform.
And so my first point would be that we have NEVER been attacked by folks wearing MUSLIM garb. That's just a simple reality.
My 2nd point re Williams firing is that yes...the fact that he worked for Fox..probably had something to do with his firing...it SHOULD have had something to do with his firing. I don't know if I can find the link for you...youtube...but you can see a montage of Fox blaming all terrorism on Muslims and repeatedly engaging in Islamaphobic statements. When you see these dozen statements spliced together along with Williams statement it does provide some chilling context..

So far..19 on 9/11..plus the four others I mentioned...perhaps you can add a few more attempts like Padilla and others...but the point is a BILLION or so folks worldwide have been tarred with the brush of crimes of LESS THAN 30 people all dressed in WESTERN garb. This IMHO is akin to tarring Christians around the world with the egregious excesses of the Fred Phelps crew that desecrates the sanctity of our military funerals. It's horrid...yet I do not believe all Christians are like that...anymore than I believe all Muslims are terrorists...nor that all terrorists are Muslims. You've heard it all before but Timothy McVeigh...or even the CHRISTIAN terrorists who murder physicians and blow up clinics.

At any rate Troll thanks for engaging civilly and btw again...I'm not really that supportive of the firings of William,Sanchez, or Thomas. I'm not a big PC policeman. On the other hand...not of those three are particularly worthy of sympathy so I'm not too exercised about their dismissals.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 22, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

@Scott - Not interested. If you wish to discuss in some honest manner whether or not sex ed results in a social good or a social negative, I might be interested (depending on how you went about it) if I thought it worth my time.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 22, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/the_morning_plum_117.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 22, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

OK. Have to restrain my urge to throw spitballs at Gerson this morning. His column is the best thing I've seen him do by a country mile. And I highly recommend the research he cites in the piece. I'm just going through it now.
http://showtime.arkansasonline.com/e2/news/documents/2010/10/13/AVS_2010_Report_FINAL.pdf

Quick take: Tea Partiers are mainly Republican partisans and social conservatives (not libertarian). They loves them FOX real big.

Posted by: bernielatham | October 22, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Brigade:
What's more likely to happen is that increased numbers of doctors and medical facilities will refuse to accept medicare patients (or patients of whatever other beast emerges from the coming carnage) because of the paltry government compensation. In fact, that's already happening.
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I don't think many hospitals are going to drop Medicare patients. A disproportionate amount of our health care dollars are spent in the last few years of life and those dollars mostly come from Medicare. I don't think most hospitals can survive without getting some of that money.

I know you were talking about Medicare, but the Medicaid reform concerns me for sort of the opposite reason you expresssed concern about Medicare. In my area a local non-profit hospital was purchased by a for-profit group who is spending a billion dollars on capital improvements. They see all the new Medicaid covered patients as a great new revenue source. Pardon my skepticism about us saving money when hospitals are actively looking to expand.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | October 22, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"Not interested."

Not surprised.

"If you wish to discuss in some honest manner whether or not sex ed results in a social good or a social negative..."

You mean by declaring certain people to be "stupid"? Is that the "honest manner" you are talking about?

I'd be happy to have that discussion, and to be honest we'd probably agree. But what really interests me at this point is who exactly you were referring to as "stupid", and why. Your reluctance to be explicit on this is telling.

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 22, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

ruk blurted:

"Q.Beck strikes again. Once again he presents his exalted opinion from on high as fact..he knows all...errr except when he doesn't!

. . .

If there is anything worse than a pompous arrogant a-hole it's an ignorant, bigoted, pompous a-hole!"

Congrats on posting standard talking points designed to mislead "infidels" about Islam. Your knowledge of the subject would fit in a thimble at most.

You might start to free youself from confusion and deception if you look into the doctrine of abrogation and its application regarding jihad and your comfortable acceptance of the "no compulsion in religion" myth. Spend some time at Jihad Watch and the sources there, or, since you will refuse to do that, take a look at this site, which I easily found by searching the doctrin of abrogation and "no compulsion": http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam

It isn't a "religion of peace" just because you want it to be. You have to actually look at what it teaches. Once you learn something about the subject and can explain why the Koran's clear command to convert or kill all infidels is not operative, go ahead with your insults about pompous arrogance, etc.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 22, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

It isn't a "religion of peace" just because you want it to be. You have to actually look at what it teaches. Once you learn something about the subject and can explain why the Koran's clear command to convert or kill all infidels is not operative, go ahead with your insults about pompous arrogance, etc.

Posted by: quarterback1

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What is it you suggest we do about this? Should we just be afraid when we get on planes with Muslims?

Posted by: ashotinthedark | October 22, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"What is it you suggest we do about this? Should we just be afraid when we get on planes with Muslims?"

I suggest we first face reality and reject the lie that Islamic terrorism and aggression have nothing to do with Islam. Stop pretending that that thoughts that Juan Williams expressed are irrational, bigotry, or uninformed.

And I suggest that ignorant and uninformed people like ruk go learn something before spouting their stupid insults.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 22, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I suggest we first face reality and reject the lie that Islamic terrorism and aggression have nothing to do with Islam. Stop pretending that that thoughts that Juan Williams expressed are irrational, bigotry, or uninformed.

And I suggest that ignorant and uninformed people like ruk go learn something before spouting their stupid insults.

Posted by: quarterback1
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Ok, so lets assume that all non-muslim Americans accept this to be a fact, presumabely Muslim Americans have already accepted your position seeing as it's their religion and all.

What next?

Posted by: ashotinthedark | October 22, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

How many millions of commercial plane flights, both within the USA, and in and out of it, take place each year?

Juan Williams is far more likely to get killed by lighting, by gun shot, or car accident, than he is to ever be on the same plane flight as a terrorist.

Juan will fit right in with all those irrational right wing bedwetters.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 22, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"Ok, so lets assume that all non-muslim Americans accept this to be a fact, presumabely Muslim Americans have already accepted your position seeing as it's their religion and all.

What next?"

So you want to assume that all Muslim Americans follow the Koranic teaching of jihad? Are you assuming that all Muslims worlwide do as well?

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

After Bush's Iraq "Crusade", I think that America has managed to kill a hell of a lot more Muslims, than they have killed Americans.

Right Wingers are afraid of their own shadows.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 22, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Ok, so lets assume that all non-muslim Americans accept this to be a fact, presumabely Muslim Americans have already accepted your position seeing as it's their religion and all.

What next?"

So you want to assume that all Muslim Americans follow the Koranic teaching of jihad? Are you assuming that all Muslims worlwide do as well?


Posted by: quarterback1 |
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I thought that was your argument.

And you continue to avoid the question of what to you propose we do about it.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | October 22, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"I thought that was your argument.

And you continue to avoid the question of what to you propose we do about it."

No, it wasn't my argument, as I think you well know, and I'm not avoiding any question.

Is that the premise of your question, that all Muslims follow the Koranic teaching of jihad?


Posted by: quarterback1 | October 22, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Is that the premise of your question, that all Muslims follow the Koranic teaching of jihad?

Posted by: quarterback1
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No, that's not the premise of my question, but the confusion is mostly my fault and I apologize for misunderstanding and misstating your position.

I asked what do you propose we do about the operative Islamis instruction to convert or kill all infidels. You responded that all Americans need to accept that fact.

Is that where it ends or do actions beyond convincing Americans of the violent nature of Islam need to be taken?

Posted by: ashotinthedark | October 22, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

It is mostly Right Wing fear mongering nonsense. Out of more than a billion Muslims in the world, a minuscule number of them have been trying to kill Americans. In fact; that same minuscule number of terrorists, have been busy slaughtering far more Muslims than they have been killing non Muslims.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 22, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"Is that where it ends or do actions beyond convincing Americans of the violent nature of Islam need to be taken?"

It undoubtedly has to go "beyond" recognizing the truth, but I make no claims that it is simple or easy to say what that precisely the actions are. We are faced with a "religion" that has as one of its central commands its followers to wage jihad until all nonbelievers convert or are destroyed or live in subjection (inter alia paying the dhimmi tax). Hence, I do not believe we can treat it merely as a "religion" like Hinduism or Judaism or Christianity. It requires "treatment" at some level as an ideology committed to the destruction of the country as it exists, setting it apart from ordinary religious and political ideologies. Of course, we have under our Constitution established a history of tolerating mere belief in and advocacy of the overthrow of the government, as opposed to action or immediate incitement. But we should pretend that the commitment to jihad is an idle one unrelated to terrorism, or that "stealth jihad" does not exist as well.

On the other hand, it is true not all Muslims appear to accept or at least to carry out the command to wage jihad (although you may find that you get surprising opinions about the ideal "America" and what would be justified to achieve it even from "peace-loving" Muslims in this country). This is why imo it is one of the great and difficult challenges in our history, and one that we will battle for the foreseeable future.

But at the very least it ought to be recognized that the sentiments expressed by Juan Williams are perfectly rational. They are in no way bigoted or irrational. If we can't even get beyond that level of self-destructive stupidity, we really are doomed to the Suicide of the West.

Now, what if we assume that your side is right, that Islam is a "religion of peace," and that Islamic terrorists have distorted the "true" teaching of their religion and are only attacking us because of our own wrongs against them, or because of the ordinary "us/them" group dynamics Bernie claims explain everything.

What then?

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 22, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Now, what if we assume that your side is right, that Islam is a "religion of peace," and that Islamic terrorists have distorted the "true" teaching of their religion and are only attacking us because of our own wrongs against them, or because of the ordinary "us/them" group dynamics Bernie claims explain everything.

What then?


Posted by: quarterback1
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I dispute this last part, but certainly some liberals do make that argument.

Thank you for a thoughtful and insult free response.
The rationality of Williams fear is debatable to me, but who really cares. Lots of people feel like he does and lots of people have irrational fears. As others have noted if you aren't even allowed to discuss your prejudices how can you get over them. Not to mention that stoping people from verbally discussing their prejudices (maybe that's the wrong word, but try not to get hung up on that) does nothing to end those prejudices. If anything it makes it more likely that those prejudices will continue.

What would have been far more productive would have been for NPR to have a segment where Williams discusses his fear and is confronted with facts about how many flights a year occur and how many likely contain Muslims and how terrorist generally aren't wearing traditional Muslim clothing.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | October 22, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

@ashotinthedark...."Thank you for a thoughtful and insult free response."

There is nothing thoughtful about Q.Beck's response. He continues his lying and right wing propaganda even after it was directly refuted by ReligionFACTS!!!

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/beliefs/other.htm

"Contrary to Islam's reputation of converting by the sword, the Qur'an is clear that there must be "no compulsion in religion." {1} Yet Muslims are not pluralistic in their worldview - they consider their religion to the be the true religion and invite people of all races, nationalities and religions to be part of it. Islam is closely connected to the two other Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Christianity. In fact, the Qur'an explains that the religion of the Jews and Christians is the same as that revealed to Muhammad, and Allah is God of them all."

How about the words of Islam's founder and their holiest prophet Muhammed himself..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_other_religions

"This is a message written by Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, far and near, we are behind them. Verily, I defend them by myself, the servants, the helpers, and my followers, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be changed from their jobs, nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they (Christians) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them."


But of course Q.Beck is so "thoughful" and learned that HE knows more than religionFACTS and Muhammed himself. Q.Beck is no more than the Wizard of Oz...a complete intellectual fraud who has yet to admit an error even when he is caught blatantly making stuff up...as in LYING..or perhaps simply trying to pass off his ALMIGHTY OPINION as FACT. Q.Beck is not "thoughtful" he is a johnny one note reactionary ideologue who often muddies the water with his ignorant demonstrably incorrect opinions and then tried to rebound with reams of sophistry.
Toto has pulled the curtain on the fraud Q.Beck!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 22, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

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