Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity

Is the "hicky" actor in GOP ad a non-story?

Sam Stein digs into the question of whether national Republicans were in any way responsible for the casting call that asked for "hicky blue collar" actors to play regular Joes bashing Obama in the NRSC ad in West Virginia.

The story has been "driving the day" ever since Politico popped it this morning, and some outlets are asserting flatly that an "NRSC casting call" used the "hicky" language.

But as Sam notes, there are no signs anyone directly associated with the NRSC ever used that language, and indeed, buried in the Politico story there was this: "The casting language did not come from the NRSC."

What seems to have happened is that the NRSC's independent expenditure unit -- which is walled off from the NRSC strategic offices -- asked one of its vendors to round up the actors for the ad. That vendor is Jamestown Associates, which then contacted a Philadelphia talent agency in hopes of getting actors for the ad. Someone at that talent agency -- whose name is undetermined as of now -- used the language in an email sent around looking for actors.

If this is the case, then the language wasn't even used by anyone at the entity that was contracted by the NRSC. As for the actors themselves, actors appear in ads on both sides -- it's the "hicky" language that made this a story.

I don't really fault Dems for jumping on this. Republicans would have done the same, and as Ben Smith notes, this is a time-honored genre of political hit. But if it's true that the person who used the "hicky" language was twice removed from the NRSC, I'm with Sam: I'm not sure this should be driving our day.

By Greg Sargent  | October 7, 2010; 2:44 PM ET
Categories:  2010 elections, Senate Dems, Senate Republicans  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: RNC circulates study that shows Dem tax plan is better for poor than GOP one
Next: Axelrod: I did not endorse "ground zero mosque" compromise

Comments

It is the use of the word "hicky". I imagine it has made Christine O' Donnell feel icky!

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Whatever Greg.

They can't take responsibility for THEIR OWN AD?

What are they, in the 5th grade?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps I took the word "hicky' wrong. I thought they were casting for to fill the roles of Halloween time, West Virgina Vampires.

Good Eeevnin', I Vant to drink Y'all's blood!!!

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

This is no time to be all ethical with the republican party. The fact is that the ad is misleading - they got actors playing "down home" looking people to star in their ad. The client, the NRSC surely approved the concept. It just proves what the Rs think about blue collar voters.

They deserve to get pounded over this.

Posted by: lcrider1 | October 7, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Can I just take a moment to say two things?

@Greg: Good on you.

@Ethan: Phwwwtttt!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdmcmgIkt6c&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: sbj3 | October 7, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Either the RNC approved the ad, in which case they are FOOLS.

Or the RNC never saw the ad, in which case they are FOOLS.

End of story.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: Good on you.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 7, 2010 3:05 PM

....................

Show Greg you really mean it, by sending a donation to the Harry Reid campaign.

"Fine words butter no parsnips"

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: "They can't take responsibility for THEIR OWN AD?"

Well, I suppose they could, but they really aren't actually responsible for it. They are responsible for the type of ad they wanted to run--why not focus on that?

The client is rarely (if ever) going to have anything to do with the language of a casting call, and, even if they suggested they wanted a certain type, the actual solicitation is going to handled by the agency (or whoever the agency uses to come up with actors and models for advertisements).

You might as well as attack them for having the temerity to want to produce an add. "They should have known that one of the actors was, in fact, a card carrying Democrat! Can't they take responsibility for this travesty?"

Also, I expect campaign cycles move pretty fast with their advertising, so there's not a lot of back and forth, step-by-step approval for ever bit and piece of the campaign.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"they really aren't actually responsible for it."

Really?

What a bunch of garbage.

Who's responsible, Kevin?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Kevin,

I view it as much ado about nothing, and nothing for anyone to throw a hicky fit over.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

@liam:

"Show Greg you really mean it, by sending a donation to the Harry Reid campaign."

Two things - (1) Lack of money is not what's hurting Reid. (2) Greg is not a big fan of Reid.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 7, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Good reporting. Of course, there's Beck earlier this week doing his "hicky" interpretation of the Tennessee home-fire fellow's accent.

And, on some earlier discussion of the rightwing's susceptibility to the charge of lack of compassion for those suffering, there's this story...

"Now, a group of Missouri tea partiers have found a new target: regulations that would mandate more humane conditions in the state’s puppy mills"
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/07/missouri-plumber-ballot-puppies/

Posted by: bernielatham | October 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

@lcrider: "The fact is that the ad is misleading - they got actors playing "down home" looking people to star in their ad. The client, the NRSC surely approved the concept. It just proves what the Rs think about blue collar voters."

I worry for our electorate (not to mention our commercial-watching public) if anybody believes that this is unique, that this is the first time, that 90% of political (and all other) commercials aren't scripted and staged, and that the remaining 10% aren't manipulatively edited.

Good golly. I'm hoping there isn't anybody out there who, watching this commercial, without these scandalous revelations, would have thought, "Wow, I wonder how those cameramen just happened upon these folks discussing politics and recorded for this political commercial. That was certainly good luck for his campaign, eh?"

In case you're curious . . . if it's on TV, it's staged. If it's a commercial, it's definitely staged. Even if it's found footage or hidden-camera footage, it's editorially manipulated, participants have to sign releases . . . and most of the time, it's scripted.

Goodness. I hope everybody understands that all advertising is trying to sell you something, and not trying to be your friend or help you out.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Did someone say Christine O'Donnell got a hicky? Does that mean she's no longer chaste?

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 7, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Yup, when the targets are white people, Politico and the entire press are up in arms over it. Of course, when the ad is like the one Sharon Angle put out recently where the purpose is to make whites scared of the sinister looking brown people, Politico will laud the ad for how great it is and so forth.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 7, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

RNC: "We're not responsible for our own ads"

Steele: "I don't do policy"

The Republican Party is no longer a political entity.

The Republican Party is TRANSPARENTLY and EXCLUSIVELY a Big Money, Big Energy, Big Insurance, Big Finance operation designed to take subjugate the U.S. federal government.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: "What a bunch of garbage."

Well, that's irrefutable.

"Who's responsible, Kevin?"

The advertising agency, or the casting agency.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't this kind of thing happen fairly regularly?

Remember the 3AM ad by Team Hillary? The actress in the ad was an Obama supporter. Team Hillary got pounded over using stock footage (and fear-mongering, you can't forget the fear-mongering) of an actress who was a huge Obama fan.

My point is that the NRSC, and all campaigns, need to be far more cognizant of the marketing material that is being formulated in their names. They can't expect to be able to disavow their own product, regardless of how it was manufactured. After all, it is their money that is being used and it has their name on it.

They, and all campaign managers, should know better. This has come up before and will come up again.

PS – Just writing the term “Team Hillary” reminds me of how much I loathe Mark Pen and Lanny Davis. Hillary I'm okay with, but her team? Not so much.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 7, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD = absolutely correct

Speaking of, anyone see this GREAT GREAT GREAT catch by The Upshot...

Sharron Angle anti-immigrant ad:

http://mit.zenfs.com/5/2010/10/Screen-shot-2010-10-07-at-11.48.56-AM.png

David Vitter anti-immigrant ad:

http://mit.zenfs.com/5/2010/10/Screen-shot-2010-10-07-at-11.51.19-AM.png

Same exact image.

The Republican Party is dead in the water. It's sole existence right now is as a phantom party while the real Republican Party -- Big Money, Big Energy, Big Insurance, Big Finance -- gets to work subjugating the entire United States of America to their profiteering interests.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

TURNS OUT - the person actually USING the "hicky" word was a registered DEMOCRAT

Anyway -


ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY - AND HOW OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE PLAN HAS LED TO ECONOMIC STAGNATION ?

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 @ October 7, 2010 2:58 PM Wrote "They can't take responsibility for THEIR OWN AD? What are they, in the 5th grade?"

Sadly (for them and especially us), they have not advanced even to the 5th grade. A normal 5th-grader at least tries to appear sad or upset when caught. The Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Partiers simply refuse to acknowledge that they have any responsibility or accountability.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | October 7, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"In Your Pants!!!"

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@PaciolisRevenge: "They can't expect to be able to disavow their own product"

It's worth noting that the finished add, and a casting call, are not the same thing.

It might be equally scandalous to discover, after an ad (about Apple Pie and American Flags) hits the air, that while they were videotaping, some of the actors had been inebriated. However, that's not the same as having a poorly considered ad that seems to promote underage drinking. The campaign would have had to approve the latter ad--they would have had no idea (and no opportunity to sign off on) the early morning cocktails some of the actors (who all not-so-secretly hate the candidate they are taping the ad for) had been drinking.

There's almost certainly no point in the production process where the campaign would have seen the wording of a casting call, not even if it had gone out from the original agency and had not been subcontracted.

Which is not a defense of the ad (which I haven't seen) or political advertising in general, but I think--just as important as who funds what--people ought to have at least a basic understanding of how ads get made.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Is Newt Gingrich a misinformed hick or a disingenuous a*$h01:

But Gingrich couldn’t quite wrap his head around the fact that food stamps have a stimulative effect on the economy:

GINGRICH: Well, you know, I carry around a bumper sticker that says 2 plus 2 equals 4. So I’d be very curious how a dollar given to somebody becomes a $1.79. And I think if we could get that to work with the U.S. Treasuries, so if people gave the Treasury $1,000, it became $1,790, we could pay off the federal debt and never worry about spending or anything. I mean, I — you know, somehow, I don’t understand how liberal math turns $1 into $1.79

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/07/gingrich-food-stamps-liberal-math/

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 7, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: "The Republican Party is dead in the water"

It what sense? Because, polling-wise, they don't exactly look dead right now.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The ad is insulting.

The total lack of responsibility is frightening.

The Republican Party is finished. All that's left for the right is Big Money special interest PR campaigns. Nothing left. Period.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

A national telephone survey finds that just 36% of voters now say relations between blacks and whites are getting better. That’s down from 62% in July of last year at the height of the controversy involving a black Harvard professor and a white policeman. That number had fallen only slightly to 55% in April of this year.


_________________________________

Seems like Obama has FAILED to improve race relations too. So all the democrats who voted for Obama thinking that his election would lead to "racial harmony" - that did NOT work.

I suppose that making False Charges of Racism over policy differences - that doesn't help "race relations"


Obama has FAILED on the stimulus.


Obama has a $1.3 TRILLION dollar DEFICIT


Obama is SOFT ON TERRORISM.


Obama lied about Afghan war policy.


Obama WANTS the mosque at Ground Zero


Obama's health care plan is a DRAG on Hiring - and is leading to the Great Obama Economic Stagnation.


If the American People don't get the democrats OUT of Congress as fast as possible, this country is going to be in SERIOUS TROUBLE.

WHAT is AMAZING: The democrats say they "haven't finished" their agenda - they still want to TRIPLE your electricity bills and put into effect more of their far-left agenda which will DRAG THE ECONOMY DOWN FURTHER.


The democrats want to ADD to the STAGNATION.


Apparently that is their story, and they are sticking to it.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"It what sense?"

What do you mean?

I've made perfectly clear my thoughts in this thread.

The Republican Party, as a political entity, is finished. All that's left for the right is Big Money special interest PR campaigns.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I've got it figured out. There's a Republican impersonating Ethan today. Someone is just effin' around trying to make Ethan look less than sensible.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 7, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Great posts here! Man, who would have thought the GOP was so funny!

Posted by: arancia12 | October 7, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Ethan

Did you do your research on the alternative energy?

Windmills are 7-8 times more expensive than electricity you buy now.

Solar energy is 4-5 times more expensive than electricity you buy now.

So, the "wonderful world" you were talking about will be extremely expensive -

AND the "poor" that democrats say they care most about - they will be hit the hardest.

THIS says NOTHING about the inflation - because every product, every company that uses electricity will have to RAISE prices to pass-on those extra costs.


OUCH - the whole program is INSANELY EXPENSIVE.


Add to that cap-and-trade costs.


Meanwhile, if you think China and other developing nations are going to do the same things, you are sadly mistaken - THEY will take the cheap energy out there and BE THE LOW COST PRODUCERS.


The ideas become a formula for the long-term decline of America.


Obama and the democrats are DESTROYING THE COUNTRY WITH THESE CRAZY PLANS.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Just goes to show the NRSC thinks WV voters are a bunch of ignorant red necks.

Who's surprised really?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 7, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 3:30

You are missing the point. The campaign (or the NRSC in this case) was making an ad for WV using outside contractors from out of state. That, in and of itself, should be a no-no, especially if the ad in question has people portraying West Virginians.

"There's almost certainly no point in the production process where the campaign would have seen the wording of a casting call, not even if it had gone out from the original agency and had not been subcontracted."

How is that relevant? You want to blame the contractor/agency, but who hired the contractors? Who went with an out of state contractor? Who failed to provide the contractors with a set of instructions that would have limited their political liability?

I'd guess the NRSC went with a low bidder on this ad and didn't exercise proper oversight. That is their fault and their fault alone.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 7, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Folks.

This is just a pimple, and no amount of words of outrage are going to turn it into a mountain. It was just PR people using internal short hand to outline the type image they wanted to cast to fill the roles.

Focus on the big issues, instead of trying to score points over silly crap.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

What an utterly unimportant story.

Policy issues are so much more important.

For instance, does anyone know Christine O'Donnell's stance on hickeys?

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 7, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington


The person who used the word "hicky" was a registered DEMOCRAT.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The issue is, That in order to meet the RNC description of what they wanted in the commercial, did the casting company follow directions by casting for hicks? The RNC seemed to think so,at least by the amount of air play they gave the commercial before the sh*7 the fan. The RNC seemed to have no problem airing a commercial that portrayed WV folks as hicks. Know your audience.

Posted by: crete | October 7, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

'Hicksville eh? Mildly sinister, maybe.
But guess what else is going on, especially in the Midwest states?
Some factory wholesale producers' are having some of their employees show up for work at the beginning of their shift ... and then immediately sending them home. No work that day.
One can find some of this within the "Temp" work force in any economy, but imagine the impact of this on some, ... in October, just before a general election on November 2nd, 2010.
Somebody out there must like "their" voters to be lean, mean and hungry. ... Why?

Posted by: deepthroat21 | October 7, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"the NRSC went with a low bidder on this ad and didn't exercise proper oversight. That is their fault and their fault alone."

Precisely.

This is a big deal because it shows just how utterly incompetent and irresponsible the Republican political apparatus really is. Every single ad they've put out is suspect.

Again, it's all just cover for the REAL Republican Party... the Big Money special interests behind American Crossroads, Americans for Prosperity, 60-Plus, U.S. chamber of Commerce, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

THAT's why this is a story.

And THAT's why the Republicans are scared that this has drawn so much attention.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Hungary: Toxic red sludge has reached the Danube"

A very sad development.

The Blue Danube Waltz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTqlLKBKFhg

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

“We are going for a ‘Hicky’ Blue Collar look,” read the casting call for the ad. “These characters are from West Virginia so think coal miner/trucker looks.”

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 7, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

PaciolisRevenge at 3:45 PM


Before you start down that line of reasoning, don't you think it would be a good idea to see how the democratic committees make ALL their commercials?


Clearly, if the democrats do the same things - hiring agencies, et al - and the filming doesn't take place in the actual state targeted in the ad - well.


ALSO remember the firewalls that are in place with independent expenditures.

You can't be in favor of a firewall, and then try to assess BLAME through that firewall.

I suppose the democrats are doing just that today, but at this point, most of the democratic party is sounding like Ethan - they are on an internet connection from another planet.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

It's NOT driving the day. Anywhere.

No one is paying attention except you and fellow mouthbreathers at HuffPo.

Nice try though.

Posted by: etpietro | October 7, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The People of West Virginia are not stupid


Compare this "hicky" thing to Obama's actual words -

People "clinging to their guns and religion"


OH Yea - the democrats are the ones with the "elitist" image problem - not the Republicans


Quite a feat - for the democrats and liberals to cast such an arrogant image - that no one believes the Republicans are near them in that category.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 3:58

My comments on this matter apply to ALL political campaigns, regardless of party.

I provided one example of this hurting a campaign, and that was Hillary's 2008 campaign.

You don't have very good reading comprehension, do you?

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 7, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Just goes to show the NRSC thinks WV voters are a bunch of ignorant red necks.

Who's surprised really?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 7, 2010 3:44 PM |
======================

I'm surprised that anyone would think the Republican party will do a thing after this (or any other) election to help working class people.

It's not in their DNA.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 7, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why Republican elitists hate blue collar workers so much.

Cantors quote in the WSJ just supports this.

What a shame.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 7, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Funny,

I thought that the NRA are all about getting people to cling to their guns,

And The Christian Right Republicans are all about Clinging To Religion.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"It's not in their DNA."

The GOP is obviously and transparently a big money operation.

There can literally be no doubt in anyone's mind that this is the case. The Republican Party is exclusively a Big Money, Corporate Special Interest party that outsources the entirety of their politics to these special interests for targeted PR campaigns.

American Crossroads/GPS
Americans for Prosperity
60-Plus
U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Koch Industries "Hot Air Tour"

The list goes on and on and on.

There can literally be NO doubt.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Cling Cling Cling Went The Poli!

"I will cling to the old rugged cross" American Christian Hymn.

"I will cling to my gun, and they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands". Charlton Heston, NRA spokesperson.


Sounds like there is actually a whole lot of clinging going on. Get off the Piano, killer! This is not your tune.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Greg "shill" Sargent.

Posted by: mtravali | October 7, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

@PaciolisRevenge: "You are missing the point. The campaign (or the NRSC in this case) was making an ad for WV using outside contractors from out of state. That, in and of itself, should be a no-no, especially if the ad in question has people portraying West Virginians."

Well, I'll just tell, you from my experience, that's how it usually works. There is nothing unusual about this. You find it's just anothe reason to hate Republicans? Awesome. I'm just telling you--this isn't remotely unusual. You will find this is also true of most campaign ads, especially those that have national input. Or campaigns that bring in consultants from out of state who have agencies they have relationships with (which is one of the reasons you might contract certain consultants).

Not to over-use one of my favorite metaphors, but how it happened is how the sausage is made. You may not like it when you find out that tasty morning sausage is actually stuffed with ground up pig parts, but . . . it actually is. Out of state actors portray folks in a given state (or in an implied position) all the time.

Actors frequently portray real people in testimonial ads, even though though don't actually come from the state of the person whose testimonial they are dramatizing. Occasionally, an actor of a different race or even gender reads a testimonial. It's practically fraud!

Or, as some might call it, advertising.

"How is that relevant? You want to blame the contractor/agency, but who hired the contractors? Who went with an out of state contractor? Who failed to provide the contractors with a set of instructions that would have limited their political liability?"

It's entirely relevant. The sort of political litmus test you're suggesting is not only practically impossible to administer to the folks you hire on a campaign (and this is true on either side, which is why Democrats involved in advertising and crafting campaign commercials are not jumping to attack on this), but, depending on what sort of litmus test might be proposed (such as being a member of the correct party, so as not to sabotage the production with poorly worded casting calls) might be actionable in court.

It's not a standard people with a product to sell could meet (and this is just as true of the Democrats, or Ralph Nader, for that matter), and I can pretty much guarantee you there is no authentic expectation regarding anyone who works on political advertising, or in advertising in general, that they should have been in control of the language on a call sheet sent out by a 3rd party. Or the decision to contract "non West Virginian" labor.

"I'd guess the NRSC went with a low bidder on this ad and didn't exercise proper oversight. That is their fault and their fault alone."

You mean it's their fault that this ad was made pretty much the way all such ads were made? Yes, indeed, they are solely to blame for their business-as-usual approach.

You know the stuff you see on TV isn't real, right?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still at 4:04 PM writes:

I thought that the NRA are all about getting people to cling to their guns,

And The Christian Right Republicans are all about Clinging To Religion.


____________________________________

EXACTLY my point


The People of West Virginia KNOW it is the democrats with the negative sterotypes


NOT anyone else

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"In Your Pants!!!"

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

WV is an overwhelmingly Democratic state. That means they KNOW its themselves with the negative stereotypes.

lol

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 7, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

David Axelrod says he did NOT endorse any ground zero mosque compromise, despite claims to the contrary:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/axelrod_i_never_endorsed_groun.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 7, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

You know the stuff you see on TV isn't real, right?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 4:13 PM....


Of course I know that the only real characters on TV are Kermit, Miss Piggy, and Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"You know the stuff you see on TV isn't real, right?"

You know the Republican Party isn't real, right?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 4:13 PM

"You find it's just anothe reason to hate Republicans? Awesome"

Please read my comments again, they apply to both parties.

The gist of your comment seems to be thus, A) It is impossible to make ads in West Virginia B) This is the way it is done, everyone does it, suck it up.

I've never been to West Virginia, but I'd be amazed if there weren't actors, or advertising agencies, there. Of course the NRSC could have had the ad made in West Virginia. And yes, they could have issued instructions to an ad agency outlining what kind of language was acceptable. Using language that demeans the people you are trying to convince to buy your goods is usually not a good idea.

This is, indeed, the way it has been done in the past. And that has hurt candidates. This isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened. That is why I'd suggest that ALL campaigns, regardless of party, make their state specific ads in the state the ads target. I'd also suggest a strong set of internal controls that limit political liability by outlining what kind of language is strictly prohibited by all agencies and contractors. That way if this kind of thing happens they at least can point to their written policies and say, "Hey, ad agency X went against our direct instructions." I'd also ban the use of stock footage, it is too hard to vet.

But your bigger point seems to be that the Republicans aren't responsible for anything ever. While that is a common sentiment amongst Republicans, I find it sad and pathetic.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 7, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: "You know the Republican Party isn't real, right?"

This is actually true of any party made up of politicians. And any group whose primary constituent are lawyers. Or used car salesmen.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

As usual, stereotyping hard-working hill people as mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging hicks gets a GINORMOUS reaction from lefturds like Weigel and DNC shills at POLITICO like Mike Allen, but when SNL does the same with Appalachian Hospital, it’s all yucky yuck okay because libturds are exempt from racism and ethnic stereotyping.

Anderson Cooper is a total gay dude whose contempt for straights is only exceeded by the straights’ completely ignoring his unwatched CNN show 360. Looks like 60 Minutes has taken him off their roster because his “teabaggers” slur was too much even for the staunchly libturd DNC stenographers at the CBS agitprop program.

Posted by: djman1141 | October 7, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Out of Obama's own Mouth, regarding Appalachians: "THEY CLING TO THEIR GUNS AND
RELIGION" .... I don't think anything can top that!

Posted by: ohioan | October 7, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Keep trying!

Posted by: sbj3 | October 7, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

@Paciolis: "The gist of your comment seems to be thus, A) It is impossible to make ads in West Virginia"

No, not at all. It's also possible to buy books in WV, but I guarantee you there are people in WV who buy books on Amazon. I know it's possible to shoot TV shows in LA, but then you have LA production companies shooting series up in Vancouver. Not saying it's impossible, just saying it happens that actors play people from cities they don't live it quite a lot. Even in political advertisements.

"This is the way it is done, everyone does it,"

I think that's, um, kind of relevant.

"suck it up."

Nope. Didn't say that.

"And yes, they could have issued instructions to an ad agency outlining what kind of language was acceptable."

For the casting call? Okay. Yeah, I guess they could have. You could also give your yard guy a list of acceptable curse words, and I don't know that it never happens, but would that be typical? Expected? Seems like it's just a "gotcha" to me. If it turns out they didn't provide guidelines for the casting call, that specifically forbid using the word "hick" or "hayseed" (never mind that they'd then be in trouble for _that_, and you know they would be) and then somebody did anyway, then they'd be responsible for not insisting that the reviewing the 3rd party call sheet from the casting service contracted by their advertising agency.

I don't think this is a criticism that takes place in the real world, is what I'm saying.

" I'd also ban the use of stock footage"

Trying to put our hard-working American stock footage houses out of work, are you? ;)

@PaciolisRevege: "But your bigger point seems to be that the Republicans aren't responsible for anything ever."

No, my larger point is that it's better to operate from reality rather than finger-pointing gotcha fantasies.

Where have I suggested that this would somehow be different if it were a Democrat? If there was questionable language in a casting call for Democrats, and someone was saying it was outrageous that the Democrat candidate didn't vet the casting call from a 3rd party casting service for mildly offensive language, I'd suggest the same thing: that that person has very little experience with advertising, and is, frankly, just barking up the wrong tree. If there's something wrong with this candidate, you aren't going to find it here.

"While that is a common sentiment amongst Republicans, I find it sad and pathetic."

What I find, well, let's just say "regrettable", is that despite having said nothing to imply, or from which you could rationally infer, that Republicans were somehow not responsible for anything ever, or that I would hold any Democrat or liberal or used car salesman to any different kind of standard, you leap to this absurd proposition that I'm arguing in favor of reality-based thinking solely because it gives Republicans a pass.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"This is actually true of any party made up of politicians."

The Democratic Party largely seeks to strengthen the American middle class and working families.

While corporate interests have bought out many "conservative" Democrats, by and large the majority of the Democratic Party is VERY real and VERY concerned about the direction of the country, as opposed to the profit margin of massive -- in many cases multinational -- special interest corporations.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: "The Democratic Party largely seeks to strengthen the American middle class and working families."

Well, I believe that you believe that, Ethan. And that's what's important.

Unfortunately, I think you're wrong. But then, I'm a cynic. I don't believe in good guys and bad guys, I believe in bad guys and worse guys.

But, I love humanity, for all our tragic flaws.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Poor Richard's Almanac reminds us: Fish and Visitors Smell in Three Days.

In this NEWS ITEM reference is made to the NRSC. A little bit of Google reports this is the National Republican Senatorial Committee, located at 425 2nd St, NE
Washington DC 20002 US ...

According to their web site, they use English (thier official language!) and are Campaign headquarters for the Senate Republicans.

They aim to Defeat Democrats on Nov 2nd, and Stop Socialism.

This particular "hicky" ad is not mentioned, but maybe it was not produced in English (since it was produced in one of those elite NE states)?

Posted by: rmorris391 | October 7, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Again, the MSM misses the point. The story is not how the Washington-N.Y media feels, its how the voters of West Virginia react to being called and portrayed as "hicky".

Posted by: BBear1 | October 7, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Sure, everybody does it; but not everybody gets caught doing it.

Posted by: thrh | October 7, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Hickey Ad = COLOSSAL SCREW-UP

* West Virginia Gov. Manchin's "Blood Boiling" Over "Hickey" Casting Call *

“I wouldn’t have been upset if they said we want coal miners and truckers,” he told me. “Those are 2 of the most honorable professions we have- hard-working people. But to cast that in such a disparaging light is just awful. And that does get your blood boiling in West Virginia whether you’re a democrat, republican, or an independent. It should get them fired up.”

[...]

...Raese campaign says it never wanted this ad to air in the first place:

“The ad is ridiculous and I am happy to say that no one with the Raese campaign had anything to do with it. As a matter of fact, we asked that it be taken down long before it went public,” Raese Press Secretary, Kevin McLaughlin said in a statement.

But this ad was done as an independent expenditure by the NRSC, which means it could be a violation of FEC rules if the Raese campaign saw the ad before it went public. Independent expenditure ads by party committees are not allowed to be coordinated with the campaigns of individual candidates.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/10/west-virginia-gov-manchins-blood-boiling-over-hickey-casting-call.html

OOOPS!!!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The purpose of this story was to castrate the ad.

It doesn't matter if this controversy ends today or even who is right. Whenever the ad plays, people will think of the casting controversy instead of what the ad is saying.

Well played.

Posted by: brettt502 | October 7, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@thrh: "Sure, everybody does it; but not everybody gets caught doing it."

Like the time they caught that guy at the restaurant, cooking the food. Or that time they caught the truck driver, driving his truck. Or that time I got caught filling my pool up. With water. From a hose.

What, "caught"? The decision of whoever put the casting call out is one thing, but the rest of it . . . its how advertising is done. Not only is it typical, there's nothing "wrong" with hiring a casting service, or employing ads from another city because the casting director knows a guy who knows a guy . . .

"Sure, everybody puts gas in their car. But they don't all get CAUGHT DOING IT! GOTCHA!"

Adult political life is becoming an endless game of "tag, you're it!"

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

This is more proof that Democrats are getting desperate for political ammunition to blast Republicans with. That desperation is plain to see for those that will.

Posted by: battleground51 | October 7, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Is "hicky" to be added to the growing list of words that are not allowed? Is it possible to lose one's career by saying that word? Is it possible for that word to change the outcome of an election? I wish that the Democrats would grow up.

Posted by: bobbo2 | October 7, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"its how advertising is done"

BALONEY.

The client ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS inspects the final product. ALWAYS.

You have no idea what you're talking about if you think a major ad client would allow an ad to run without inspecting it carefully.

"Mistakes" like this are entirely the CLIENT's fault.

But it wasn't a "mistake," except in the political sense. It was purposefully designed to cater to "hickey" West Virginians. That is wasn't STOPPED by the NRSC before the final edit was produced is the major embarrassment to the Republican Party here.

Don't believe me?

“The ad is ridiculous and I am happy to say that no one with the Raese campaign had anything to do with it."

~ Raese Press Secretary, Kevin McLaughlin

It is both insulting to rural Americans in West Virginia AND a perfect example of the incompetence and irresponsibility of the Republican Party elite.

And THAT is why you have all of these special interest groups and their massive corporate-funded PR campaigns.

Without these massive corporations to spend tens or hundreds of millions of dollars the GOP would be DEAD IN THE WATER.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

While that is a common sentiment amongst Republicans, I find it sad and pathetic.


Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 7, 2010 4:36 PM
----

Sort of like you.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party of Cheap Labor and Wall Street thinks working people are idiots. That's news?

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 7, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party largely seeks to strengthen the American middle class and working families.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 4:54 PM
-------

I'll point out that they do a pee poor job of it, even though I've been warned about feeding trolls like Ethan. Gingrich was about right when he called Dems the party of foodstamps---that's why Nancy P's panties were bunched in a wad over the comment.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised that anyone would think the Republican party will do a thing after this (or any other) election to help working class people.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 7, 2010 4:03 PM
----

They'll definitely help "working class" people; it's the deadbeats like you they have trouble with.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"that's why Nancy P's panties were bunched in a wad over the comment."

Classy.

You're a joke.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

You know the Republican Party isn't real, right?

Posted by: Ethan2010
________________________

Are you okay today? Usually your posts seem thought out, but I think you've been replaced by an 8 year old. I'm just waiting for you to call Kevin a poopy face.

Oh, and since you want the Democratic Party and Obama Whitehouse to take the blame for prescreening a townhall on MTV right? I think they are just looking for non-hicky people to be in their audience.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1010/MTV_screening_Obamas_audience_for_views_looks.html

Posted by: Bailers | October 7, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

"In Your Pants!!!"

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 3:28 PM
---

Sure, everybody does it; but not everybody gets caught doing it.

Posted by: thrh | October 7, 2010 5:29 PM
---

You guys are busted. What a pair of weirdos.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I remember back when the Republicans were caught behind closed doors laughing and calling the christians who voted for them "nutjobs" a few years back.

Of course Republicans really think the American people are "hicks" and "nutjobs". As proven time and again, they can so easily manipulate them on behalf of Wall Street to vote against their best interests. No solutions or ideas necessary. Just toss out a few "death panels" or "socialism" lies...repeat endlessly...and BINGO!

So why shouldn't Republicans think voters are idiots and poodles?

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 7, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

This is more proof that Democrats are getting desperate for political ammunition to blast Republicans with. That desperation is plain to see for those that will.

Posted by: battleground51 | October 7, 2010 5:53 PM
---

It's all they've got. The voters know they've failed miserably at governing. They don't dare run on their record, so they attack and tell lies.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

OK, people. I'm FROM West Virginia and I see that miserable puke-inducing ad whenever I have the TV on. I could care LESS where the actors are from or how they were described in some memo between twits working in or with a casting agency.

What I care about is that Joe Manchin, who is generally highly-regarded here (and has, I think, MOSTLY earned those marks) could quite possibly lose his race against John Raese. Raese is (IMHO) an odious slug firmly committed to lining his own pockets and working against the vast majority of WV's citizens.

Raese's own commercials use the tag line, "I won't be a rubber stamp to Barack Obama." Clever, effective, and totally bogus. The fact that Raese would be an obsequious rubber stamp to the DeMints of the world and espouses policies that will make peoples' lives worse won't matter enough, I fear. But 30-second political ads aren't about thought, of course--they're about anti-thought. Sorry to say that too many of my fellow West Virginians, who are typically genuinely admirable folk (generous, hard-working, etc.) won't be investing enough thought in this matter.

For the record, I'm a centrist, not a liberal. While not native to WV, I've lived here for over 40 years, and my daughters were born here. I really love this place, and it will disappoint me considerably should Raese beat Manchin.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | October 7, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Bailers, you ignore my point entirely because it is true.

The Republican Party isn't real.

The Republican Party has been reduced to a ghost party that owes its existence to massive corporations and their Big Money front groups.

Are you blind?

Look:

American Crossroads/GPS
Americans for Prosperity
60-Plus
U.S. Chamber of Commerce
Koch Industries "Hot Air Tour"

How many millions upon millions upon millions of dollars have CORPORATE outside special interest groups spent trying to buy seats in the U.S. Government this election cycle?

How many millions?

Where is the line?

The Republican Party has no line. There is no Republican Party anymore. The Right would be NOTHING politically without massive amounts of spending by the corporate special interest groups and everyone here knows it.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

You know the Republican Party isn't real, right?

Posted by: Ethan2010
________________________

Are you okay today? Usually your posts seem thought out, but I think you've been replaced by an 8 year old. I'm just waiting for you to call Kevin a poopy face.


Posted by: Bailers | October 7, 2010 6:24 PM
-----

"though out?" You're thinking of someone else. Ethan's always seem like the work of an 8 year old.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Of course Republicans really think the American people are "hicks" and "nutjobs". . . why shouldn't Republicans think voters are idiots and poodles?

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 7, 2010 6:28 PM
-----

They've probably read some of your comments---if they think that. But just because they think that of people like you, doesn't mean they think that of everyone.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I'm a centrist, not a liberal.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | October 7, 2010 6:29 PM
----

Hahahahaha. You and me both.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Sure, everybody does it; but not everybody gets caught doing it.

Posted by: thrh | October 7, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

(omitted the blather)

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 6:31 PM
---

Why are you formatting your posts like Rain Forest? Is he your hero or are you, like Liam, wanting to get in his pants?

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey brigade...is sitting here all day long making asinine responses to every comment REALLY the best way to be using your welfare check? Most people use it to go out and look for work or feed their kids...you know...something USEFUL.

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 7, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party has no line. There is no Republican Party anymore. The Right would be NOTHING politically without massive amounts of spending by the corporate special interest groups and everyone here knows it.

Posted by: Ethan2010
___________________________

Do you think the Democratic party is better? Been to a protest recently? I see them all the time, and half the time I can't tell what they are protesting. You want to talk about money, how about the teachers unions, or labor unions, or MoveOn, or any of the other hundreds of special interest groups. Do you think George Soros is a positive influence on the Dems with his Billions?

You are kidding yourself if you think they are better somehow. Obama raised most of his money from small donors of $200 or less right? Wrong.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/22/politics/washingtonpost/main4538028.shtml

Plum jobs (no pun intended) go to only qualified and not as political paybacks right?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31292932/

How about that welcome home ad that Rahm has been pushing here in Chicago that was made by a DC firm?

Where is the line that Democrats won't drop below in asking people of this country for the slightest bit in return? Are you proud of a party that went from "Ask not what your country can do" to "how much more can we pay off the poor to vote for us?"

Don't lecture people about the evils of the Republican party. I'm not one of them. And don't kid yourself that your chosen ones are sent from heaven to save our eternal souls.

Posted by: Bailers | October 7, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a damn if the guy was 100 people removed; the Republicans ran the ad, and it's cowardly and sickening that you just let them off the hook.

These are anti-American creeps. Quit making excuses for them, lightweight.

Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"Don't lecture people about the evils of the Republican party. I'm not one of them"

So, you think war crimes, treason, corporate criminality, fixed energy policies that favor the energy companies, illegal wars, illegal executive power...

You have no relevance in this forum. Ignoring the Worst Administration in History shows you're either in deep denial, or just another Tea Liar. Either way...who cares?

Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Bailers:
"And don't kid yourself that your chosen ones are sent from heaven to save our eternal souls."

This is a joke, right? Coming from the most religiously deranged group of people in the country, the Tea Bigots?

Your adult Santa Claus, if it existed, would smack you silly for loving the War Criminal administration and pretending Bush and Cheney were other than traitors to their country.

Nice priorities.


Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

There is no bottom to this swamp. And, if you turn away the Republicans will steal your clothes.

The Republicans are closer and closer to resembling a certain church in Kansas.

Posted by: rusty3 | October 7, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think the Democratic party is better?"

Than the Tea Bigots? Of course! Empirical evidence tells you so.

The first time a Democrat is guilty of war crimes and treason, I'll quit supporting them.In the meantime...why haven't Bush and Cheney been executed? It's a mystery.

In the meantime, grow a brain. Were you in a coma between 2000 and 2008?

Another Tea Liar, impressing no one.

Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Democrats are WAY WAY WAY better. Not perfect, but WAY WAY WAY better.

"how about the teachers unions, or labor unions, or MoveOn"

How about them? Teachers teach children. Unions are our country's bluecollar workforce. MoveOn is a grassroots group that has had some larger contributions but mainly gets their funds from Americans.

That is not even REMOTELY the same thing as being funded by massive corporations!

It's like you're playing dumb. You can't possibly be that stupid as to think that corporations -- whose ONLY, yes ONLY, motivation is their own profit -- is the equivalent of TEACHERS who TEACH OUR CHILDREN and our blue collar workers who work long tedious hours making products for Americans.

Maybe you ARE that dumb. But I'm sorry, I'm not. Corporate influence over American politics is destroying this country. Plain and simple. And that destruction is being cheer-led by the remnants of the old Republican Party.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a damn if the guy was 100 people removed; the Republicans ran the ad, and it's cowardly and sickening that you just let them off the hook.

These are anti-American creeps. Quit making excuses for them, lightweight.

Posted by: 2229
________________________

At what point do you stop trying to blame for the actions of others? Its called personal responsibility, you should try it.

As far the illegal war, I'm not clear what you mean. Are you talking about the Iraq war that was authorized by congress in 2002, or the Afghanistan invasion that while never implicitly authorized, continues to be funded by Congress to this day?
Or the illegal presidential powers that Obama immediately stopped upon his innauguration. You'll have to remind me what those are, because I don't remember any charges being brought, or actions being stopped.

Or how the Bush administration was the worst in history. Yes, I remember clearly how he cowed the Supreme Court into submission by threatening to pack more judges in there, and how he locked up all the muslims into concentration camps. Ooo, do you remember when he authorized the breaking and entering of the democratic headquarters?

Ah yes, it seems like only yesterday when we were discussing the Teapot Dome scandal, and how many people from the Bush administration would go to jail.

Fool.

Posted by: Bailers | October 7, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey brigade...is sitting here all day long making asinine responses to every comment REALLY the best way to be using your welfare check? Most people use it to go out and look for work or feed their kids...you know...something USEFUL.

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 7, 2010 6:45 PM
----

It isn't "day" fool. I worked all day to pay taxes for supporting deadbeats like you. Don't bother to thank me. Do some more crack and go to bed.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Brigade:
"Gingrich was about right when he called Dems the party of foodstamps---that's why Nancy P's panties were bunched in a wad over the comment."

Gingrich served divorce papers on his wife as she lay dying in a hospital. He was already having an affair.

Gingrich matters in this country about as much as yesterday's dogcrap. Your support for him speaks volumes on your own personality.

Tea Liars, front and center! Why do Republicans hate the American people so much?

Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"Big Man" Brigade:
"I worked all day to pay taxes for supporting deadbeats like you. Don't bother to thank me. Do some more crack and go to bed."

I'll bet you'd whimper like a scared little puppy, trying to say something like that to a person's face.

But hey, you're a Tea Coward. No surprise. No guts. No logical arguments.

Thanks for the laughs, little boy.

Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

2229 wrote,
"So, you think war crimes, treason, corporate criminality, fixed energy policies that favor the energy companies, illegal wars, illegal executive power...
...why haven't Bush and Cheney been executed? It's a mystery."

----

Okay, your fact free rant has convinced us: you're an idiot. Of course if you had any facts or evidence to back up your idiotic rant, you wouldn't be a liberal.

Take Wilder and go get some free government cheese. I work hard to pay for it so you won't starve. I'm what you call a compassionate conservative.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Bailers in a fog:
"Or how the Bush administration was the worst in history."

It's about time you realized. Most Americans, and everybody in the rest of the world, certainly.

You want to stick your head up your own butt and pretend Bush and Cheney weren't war criminals, go right ahead. You have a right to be a deluded liar. Bush and Cheney should have already been executed for treason, war crimes, corporate crimes, illegal executive power, illegal energy policy...you can't win, Brickhead. The facts get in the way of your lies.

Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I'll bet you'd whimper like a scared little puppy, trying to say something like that to a person's face.

Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 7:24 PM
---

No doubt. Scared to death of wingnut weenies like you. I think it's that yellow streak up your back that does it.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Brigade: "Take Wilder and go get some free government cheese. I work hard to pay for it so you won't starve."

I doubt you even have a job. Blowhard liars like you rarely tell the truth.

" I'm what you call a compassionate conservative."

You're what I call a blustering liar. You're a hating Tea Bagger, with no love for your own country. There's no such thing as a Tea Idiot with compassion that I've seen. Give Beck a big smooch on his butt, OK?

Posted by: 2229 | October 7, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey brigade...is sitting here all day long making asinine responses to every comment REALLY the best way to be using your welfare check? Most people use it to go out and look for work or feed their kids...you know...something USEFUL.

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 7, 2010 6:45 PM
----

It isn't "day" fool. I worked all day to pay taxes for supporting deadbeats like you. Don't bother to thank me. Do some more crack and go to bed.
=====

There you go again. Another asinine response. It took you over HALF AN HOUR to make that one up?

Try doing something more useful with those 30+ minutes...like calculating how much of your welfare check you just wasted coming up with such a lame excuse for yourself. Or better yet, spend a few minutes writing a thank you note to the rest of us for supporting your "hobby" here. If you did that...we wouldn't mind supporting you so much.

We might even be okay with that case of beer you bought with our money...and have so obviously finished drinking.

Posted by: wilder5121 | October 7, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

You want to stick your head up your own butt and pretend Bush and Cheney weren't war criminals, go right ahead. You have a right to be a deluded liar. Bush and Cheney should have already been executed for treason, war crimes, corporate crimes, illegal executive power, illegal energy policy...you can't win, Brickhead. The facts get in the way of your lies.


Posted by: 2229
___________________

I should have married Heidi Klum and should have been born rich so I could buy that Bugatti Veyron that I've wanted. What's your point? Until there are convictions, you are just chasing at windmills with your vision of all the illegal actions.

Posted by: Bailers | October 7, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I usually detest the tiresome back-and-forth bickerfests between persons commenting here, so I hope the adults in the room will forgive for this, but . . .

Brigade wrote:
"For the record, I'm a centrist, not a liberal.
Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | October 7, 2010 6:29 PM
----
Hahahahaha. You and me both."
_____________________________

Given the content of your other posts, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you can't distinguish between a centrist and a liberal (hey, when you're on the bottom, everything looks like "up."). But no matter. You aren't inclined to do so anyway. After all, you've dedicated all seven of your neurons to writing snarky but otherwise totally pointless comments. I'm thinking that you're not among the thoughtful conservative voices I want to hear . . . .

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | October 7, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that most West Virginians were "OK" with the casting of this commercial and already know that city folks call them "hicks." I know a number of very sophisticated people in rural Virginia, North Carolina and West Virginia who refer to themselves as "hicks."

Posted by: amazd | October 7, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Wilder5121,
"Try doing something more useful with those 30+ minutes...like calculating how much of your welfare check you just wasted coming up with such a lame excuse for yourself."

----

I think you sort of gave yourself away as to which one of us (you) is a welfare chiseler. Most working people who have internet service don't pay by the minute. Just deadbeats who use internet cafes.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking that you're not among the thoughtful conservative voices I want to hear . . . .

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | October 7, 2010 7:44 PM
-----

That's terribly disappointing. I had sooooo hoped and expected to win you over to the conservative side. I guess I'll have to leave that to someone capable of formulating better talking points.

Posted by: Brigade | October 7, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Yes Greg, its a non-story. It will be dropped by the news cycle in 24 to 36 hours. O'Donnell's witch dabbling (also a non-story) had been on the way out, but for that creepy commercial she ran. Amazingly she brought it up again which gave it new life. Bad strategic move on her part.

Posted by: Frazil | October 7, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Why not ask Jonathan Franzen? He cast a group of West Virginian "hill people" in his new novel FREEDOM, and compared to the elite morons who tried to use them, they came off very well.

I would suspect that this script (not the one for the advert) will play out the same way.

Posted by: mini2 | October 7, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Frazil wrote:

"O'Donnell's witch dabbling (also a non-story) had been on the way out, but for that creepy commercial she ran. "

O'Donnell ran another ad today. This time it's "I didn't go to Yale". The saga continues in her ever-evolving education resume.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20018978-503544.html

Posted by: B2O2 | October 7, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

You know, it is too bad that IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT was made so long ago (1967 release). The redneck depictions in that film would undoubtedly give the 'Publican publicists wet dreams.

And they OWN SOUTH Carolina, for what that's worth.

Posted by: mini2 | October 7, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Sam, I live in West Virginia and you are correct, this is a non story! I watched the ad before it was pulled and was not offended by it in the least. Part of the problem is the media. If any news worthy item happens in WV the media will interview
the person with the worst grammer and the least education. Besides, it was the ad agency, not the republican party. For the record, I am not a Republican. No amount of advertising will chnage the result of this election anyway. The people who vote for Rease in reality voting against the Obama administrations agenda.

Posted by: donniewv | October 7, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Sam, I live in West Virginia and you are correct, this is a non story! I watched the ad before it was pulled and was not offended by it in the least. Part of the problem is the media. If any news worthy item happens in WV the media will interview
the person with the worst grammer and the least education. Besides, it was the ad agency, not the republican party. For the record, I am not a Republican. No amount of advertising will chnage the result of this election anyway. The people who vote for Rease in reality voting against the Obama administrations agenda.

Posted by: donniewv | October 7, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Someone in the NRSC had to specify more than "we want a 30 second ad". What were their specifications that were eventually translated to "hicky"?

Posted by: chucko2 | October 7, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Post a Comment

We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features.

User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site. Additionally, entries that are unsigned or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. Finally, we will take steps to block users who violate any of our posting standards, terms of use or privacy policies or any other policies governing this site. Please review the full rules governing commentaries and discussions.




characters remaining

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company