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Joe Miller, tear down this wall

Adam Serwer is a staff reporter for The American Prospect, where he writes his own blog.

Yesterday, my colleague Tim Fernholz had this to say about the news that bodyguards of Alaska Senate Candidate Joe Miller had handcuffed a journalist:

What is it about the fear of big-government fascism that makes Tea Party candidates act like big-government fascists?

For Miller, this irony doesn't end with his private security handcuffing reporters he sees as hostile. As a way to stop illegal immigration, he suggested emulating Communist East Germany by simply building a wall:

"The first thing that has to be done is secure the border. ... East Germany was very, very able to reduce the flow. Now, obviously, other things were involved. We have the capacity to, as a great nation, secure the border. If East Germany could do it, we could do it."

This seems to be one of those moments where it's worth reflecting on what the reaction at Fox News would be if a liberal, sarcastically or otherwise, suggested replicating the "triumphs" of East German communism, or had his private security detain a journalist they thought was being hostile. 

There also may be some small objective economic and logistical factors missing from Miller's analysis. First, as Steve Benen notes, East Germany mostly wanted Berlin Wall was built mostly to keep people in, not out. Second, there weren't any jobs in East Germany because communism doesn't work. In addition to the terrifying and brutal repression, that's part of the reason they were worried about people leaving. Third, the Berlin Wall was about 100 miles long, while the U.S.-Mexico border is about 2000 miles long. Miller also seems to be under the common but mistaken impression that absent some kind of policy addressing labor market factors, border security can reduce illegal immigration over the long term. 

Finally, despite having been stationed in West Germany, Miller seems to be under the impression that the Berlin wall spanned the entire border between East and West Germany. It did not. 

But other than that, sure, imitating East Germany? I mean how could that possibly end badly?

UPDATE 12:34 p.m: The audio from blogger Steve Aufrecht makes it clear Miller was referring to the border fence, not the Berlin wall, so I was wrong to suggest otherwise. The U.S.-Mexico border is still substantially longer.

By Adam Serwer  | October 19, 2010; 11:36 AM ET
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What is it about the fear of big-government fascism that makes Tea Party candidates act like big-government fascists?
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They are authoritarians, through and through. They didn't make a peep during the Bush-Cheney years of domestic spying.

What they fear is simply a government run by someone they didn't vote for.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Can we build a wall around Alaska, to prevent the Caribou Barbie Southern Migration?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Take an unconcealed weapon to a Miller or Palin rally and see what they think of 2nd amendment rights.

Posted by: Papagnello | October 19, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

As long as there are people living on a diet of gravel stew that know travelling to the north means the chance at a job that pays them enough to afford McDonalds, we will not be able to "secure the border."

In other words, if the demand for cheap illegal labor remains constant the supply will find a way to meet that demand.

We could start levying huge fines on those that hire illegal workers; that would put a crimp in the demand side of the equation. But money behind the Republican Party would never allow that.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 19, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Chamber of Con Artists promotes Outsourcing to foreign lands, as both a way to use cheap labor with no unions or EPA to deal with, and also to soften up the American Blue Collar workers, to force them to settle for less than the minimum wage.

We should build a virtual wall around domestic manufacturing jobs, to prevent the Robber Barons from resettling them inside The Great Wall Of China.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

If I were from Alaska, the decision to write in Senator Murkowski would be a simple one. Senator Murkowski has her flaws, but is a much better standard bearer for the party of Reagan, Eisenhower, and Lincoln.

Joe Miller and his attempts to hide his fascism behind his crypto-Constitutional purist facade doesn't work with me. I'm a traditional fiscally conservative, pro-life, and socially conservative Republican and have been for my whole life. Joe Miller and his private security force's handcuffing of a reporter and admiration for East Germany have no place in the Republican Party.

Furthermore, his refusal to talk to the press about his background is a disgusting to me as Pelosi's forcing of the Health scam through Congress "so that we can see what's inside of it"... So if you elect Joe Miller, we'll find out more about his background --- but I think what we've already seen says it all.

Lisa Murkowski has her flaws and isn't as conservative as me, but at least I'd know where she was coming from if I were Alaskan.

Posted by: chrojo01 | October 19, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

We knew all along Miller was a nut case.

Being that he's running for a Senate seat representing Alaska, he, of all people, couldn't be further away from the U.S. and Mexican Border.

Posted by: moonbat23 | October 19, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd really like to see an ad about how Joe Miller thinks it's ok to falsely imprison the people he says he wants to "represent" if they deign to ask any questions. Apparently Miller is unfamiliar with the concept of "public servant" as in, being the employee of the citizens of the state who he thinks he should be able to lock up for asking him questions.

How many of you work at jobs where it's considered business as usual to handcuff the boss if he asks you a question you don't like?

This guy isn't running for Senator, he's running for dictator.

Posted by: JennOfArk | October 19, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

It is now being reported, that Joe Miller's Security Goons are not even licensed, so they have no authority to arrest and handcuff anyone.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

OT - Man, the teabaggers are really funny today!

********

Pennsylvania voters can't afford cap and trade legislation, says Sarah Palin. And that's why they need to send Republican John Raese to the Senate.

Except that John Raese is the Republican nominee in West Virginia.

Welcome to the latest Sarah Palin Twitter #fail.

This morning, the former half-term Alaska Governor turned kingmaker and kingbreaker in GOP politics told her hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers today: "Pennsylvania:makes sense 2 send GOP 2 DC 2 avoid PA economic disaster that will occur under Obama/Pelosi Cap & Tax scheme; workers need Raese."


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/fail-palin-endorses-raese-in-pennsylvania-hes-from-west-virginia.php#more

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 19, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

@chrojo01

Thanks! As a progressive I obviously differ with you on most issues. However you've done something that we on the left have been waiting for a long long time to see. Just as many are upset with Muslim moderates for not expending enough energy decrying Islamic terrorism..we on the left have been waiting for our THINKING brethren on the right to decry the growing fascism on the right. Miller is one of a growing number who refuse to speak to the media and instead rely on the :30 commercials funded by...well who knows these days who is funding them. Here in Florida the ultimate scumbag Rick Scott is pursuing the same strategy. Between refusing to address media questions...even with a simple "no comment" which is certainly one available answer...and hiring your own goons to police gatherings...it's really getting a bit frightening. Imagine if Miller's "security guards" had been wearing brown shirts that day...what comparison would we all be floating today...and would it really be unjust?

Of course my choice as an Alaskan would be the Dem candidate Scott MacAdams but at least Murkowski is as you suggest a rational conservative.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 19, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

This morning, the former half-term Alaska Governor turned kingmaker and kingbreaker in GOP politics told her hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers today: "Pennsylvania:makes sense 2 send GOP 2 DC 2 avoid PA economic disaster that will occur under Obama/Pelosi Cap & Tax scheme; workers need Raese."


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/fail-palin-endorses-raese-in-pennsylvania-hes-from-west-virginia.php#more

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 19, 2010 12:21 PM |
.................

"Pennsylvania, West Virginia; what's the difference! They are all "The real America" to me. Why not go Rogue and have Pennsylvania elect a US Senator to represent West Virginia. It is the mavericky way that I roll. Yup Yup. You Betcha!"

Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I see that the head of the security firm, Drop Zone, also threatened to arrest and handcuff other reporters who tried to talk to the handcuffed reporter. Just think, the halls would have been lined with handcuffed reporters.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 19, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Papagnello @ October 19, 2010 11:48 AM wrote "
Take an unconcealed weapon to a Miller or Palin rally and see what they think of 2nd amendment rights."

George Allen, a great defender of the 2nd Amendment, put 1 restriction on CCW when he passed his legislation allowing anyone to carry guns: Around the governor!

Interesting, isn't it?

Posted by: AMviennaVA | October 19, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

How surprising! An Alaskan fascist named Joe Miller thinks that communist Germany, and probably Nazi Germany as well, are appropriate models for the United States.

Posted by: jjedif | October 19, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

@chrojo01: I agree. I liked Miller's resume at the outset, but his behavior since getting the nomination has been tediously typical of the entitled, better-than-the-rabble politician.

And a wall, like Easter Germany? Either he wants to lose, or he's so confident that he's going to win he's made a bet with somebody that he can any stupid, self-sabatoging thing, and still win the election.

I'm all for securing the border. I certainly believe we can put up a Superfence across 2000 miles of border. The US Interstate system is 46,876 miles long. Link for Ruk, so he knows I'm not lying or trying to manipulate the numbers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Highway_System

As such, we could build a fence, or a wall, or some other effective interdiction/deterrent system across 2000 miles of border. We are not incapable of doing that.

Actually comparing securing our southern border to the Berlin Wall (which, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned, featured gun turrets from which East German military police shot people) is crazy-stupid, however. I'm beginning to wonder if some of our Tea Party candidates are stealth liberals, out to sabotage the Republicans. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

@me: "And a wall, like Easter Germany?"

Ah, one of my many typos. But this one should be understandable. I really like bunny rabbits. And colorful eggs.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Even if the Repubs squeak by a win this Nov, they won't be anywhere close to the huge majorities we hold in the House and Senate.

Boehner will no doubtingly say the People have overwhelmingly spoken if they do regain the House.

If they did in fact overwhelmingly speak, wouldn't the Republicans end up with super majorities like the Democrats hold?

Center right my booty.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 19, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to wonder if some of our Tea Party candidates are stealth liberals, out to sabotage the Republicans. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 12:35 PM

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Kevin,

I am glad to see that the scales have finally dropped from your eyes. Didn't I provide clear proof for you that Sarah Palin governed Alaska like a Spread The Wealth Around Socialist Muslim, Nazi, Communist, Granny Grizzly?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

What Miller said is bad enough without the biased and inaccurate depictions offered by this posting. See Aufrecht's blog post for a fair and accurate depiction. Miller didn't say we should build a wall. He didn't say we should emulate East German methods--barbed-wire fences, no-man's lands, shoot-on-sight orders, etcetera. The numbers in this posting on the lengths of borders also are inexplicably wrong. Miller is quite able to say unfortunate things (i.e., dumb things) without help from sloppy bloggers. It would have been fair to say that Miller's reference to East Germany conjures up methods that America would not employ, raising the question of what methods Miller desires.

Posted by: pjro | October 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Kevin....Do you seriously suppose that building your 2,000 mile wall would REALLY keep people out....IF jobs ever return to this country?

Of course now G.W. and the gang have found the real solution to our immigration problem...simply crash the economy to it's worst condition since the Great Depression. Magically the immigration flow has slowed dramatically..without any walls...no gun turrets...nothing more than eliminating potential employment. Seems a bit like a no brainer to me.

Although as a job generator with great multiplier effect,,,construction jobs rank high in the NAIC's...I'm not against your 2,000 mile long construction project. :-)
Don't believe it would have any significant impact on immigration...but it would create a lot of jobs and make some bedwetters feel more secure at night. Although after yesterdays posts from the righties revealing that most terrorists actually come over from Canada..I'm not sure how secure.

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 19, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Joe Miller and his jackbooted, handcuffing, wall-building thugs seem to be establishing the new American National Socialist Party.

Posted by: markiejoe | October 19, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

@Liam: "I am glad to see that the scales have finally dropped from your eyes. Didn't I provide clear proof for you that Sarah Palin governed Alaska like a Spread The Wealth Around Socialist Muslim, Nazi, Communist, Granny Grizzly"

You did, indeed, Liam. And I think you might be right. It's not just a coincidence both these candidates hail from Alaska now, is it?

Alaska, which is so close to the Soviet Union Sarah Palin held secret communications with Putin, and took her marching orders from the reconstituted KGB, right from her back yard.

It's all making sense, now. /snark

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

While we are on Alaskan pols and even Sister Sarah's tweet fauxpaux today....

Isn't she going to be interesting after the election. Yesterday while campaigning for Sharon Angle she spent minimum time bashing Reid and plenty of time bashing the R establishment types...telling them to "man up"...always an amusing choice of words coming from a woman who claims to be a feminist...why wouldn't they then "woman up"...perhaps when she suggests they grow a pair..she really means breasts...maybe she's conflicted about her sexual ID...whatever..she's not conflicted about throwing all in with the Tea Party. She now makes no bones about it...man up you R's and back these tea party candidates...except perhaps for Joe Miller because he didn't respond properly when asked if Palin was qualified to be President. As Palin is now saying...she can see 2012 from her house. LMAO...Rove and the boys must wonder what they are going to do with this loose cannon!!!!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 19, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy!

This guy is a lawyer?

By the way the Berlin Wall was for stopping the people from LEAVING! Is this nut worried that the Americans may leave US for Mexico?

"Nut! A T-Nut!" (The phrase is not copyrighted. People are welcome to use it generously).

Posted by: kishorgala | October 19, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The EU is flooded with undocumented immigrants from overseas. Plenty of them have made their way into Britain, which has no common border with any foreign nation.

For those who love a wall, they should read Robert Frost's poem on the subject, and also read how secure The Maginot Line kept France, when all those undocumented Germans decided to pay a visit.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Looks like this is a "Nuts gone Nuts" week. Angle making a Macaca comment (it is not the words, it is the thought that counts!), O'Donnell questioning the First Ammendment, Palin seeing 2012 from her house and now Miller lauding the East Germans.

Go Nuts, Go! We need more entertianment!

Posted by: kishorgala | October 19, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

@rukidding: "Kevin....Do you seriously suppose that building your 2,000 mile wall would REALLY keep people out....IF jobs ever return to this country?"

I believe it could. "Would" and "could" are two very different words. If we can get pictures back from Pluto and pilot a rover around Mars and put man on the moon and bring him back, we could construct and maintain a non-porous southern border. Will we, even if we put something along the border, is another question.

"Although as a job generator with great multiplier effect,,,construction jobs rank high in the NAIC's...I'm not against your 2,000 mile long construction project. "

BTW, I'm all for easing immigration restrictions. I'm also not for spending a lot of resources to round up illegal immigrants and deport them.

"n't believe it would have any significant impact on immigration..."

Hopefully it would have none. Or it might even increase. Illegal immigration, on the other hand . . . ;)

"at most terrorists actually come over from Canada..I'm not sure how secure"

Although I'm pretty sure they come straight through, legally (or with forged documentation). Or that's how it's supposed to work, anyway.

I'm all for a wall across the Canadian border, as long as it includes the entire border, so that no Canadians can ever come over. Ever. :P

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

All, my final primal scream on the secret money funding ads:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/why_karl_rove_and_us_chamber_a.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Almost every reporter has a story about being threatened with arrest by police. Miller should not be defending this action, but it also shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

When I worked for a newspaper, I was told a few times that I would be arrested if I didn't leave. When I asked what the charge was, or why I couldn't be there, the cops usually just glared and walked away. It's par for the course.

Posted by: Bailers | October 19, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Days after violating the First Amendment this man laudes and wants to emulate a tyranical, dictatorial Communist regime? The people of Alaska are not crazy enough to elect Miller, are they?

Posted by: Lefty_ | October 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

This is just amazing. It is small wonder that liberalism is being rejected. Its most devout believers simply can't get anything right. Here's a perfect example:
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As long as there are people living on a diet of gravel stew that know travelling to the north means the chance at a job that pays them enough to afford McDonalds, we will not be able to "secure the border."

In other words, if the demand for cheap illegal labor remains constant the supply will find a way to meet that demand.

We could start levying huge fines on those that hire illegal workers; that would put a crimp in the demand side of the equation. But money behind the Republican Party would never allow that.


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The oh so insightful wag that wrote this simply doesn't get it. The critical question is this: why are the Mexicans in Mexico so poor? Why the disparity between the Americans and the Mexicans?

Here's a clue, Mexico has been a nominally socialist state for a hundred years. and look how well it worked! So a hundred years of socialism in Mexico has resulted in the citizenry living of a diet of gravel soup.

It is small wonder that liberals never want to discuss the real problem with illegal immigration. After all that would lead to a questioning of many of the central theses of their agenda and they cannot tolerate that.

so they do what this guy did, point to some other issue as a distraction.

Let's be real here. If the Mexican economy generated prosperity for the citizens they would have no need to migrate here illegally. Only when we face that root problem will we successfully confront the issues.

Sure, e verify makes complete sense. Enforcing existing laws against hiring illegals makes sense. but a fence and an effort to rid ourselves of entrenched illegals makes still more sense.

When America is no longer the safety valve of the corrupt and inept Mexican government the mexicans themselves can face the task of re ordering their government in a manner that suits them. There is no reason to do that as long as bleeding heart Americans grant illegals access to our now depleted treasury.

Get it right. solving the symptoms will never improve the situation. Obama insulted America when he had CAlderon come here to scold us. He's part of the problem and Obama lost a lot of respect with that snotty little move.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 19, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

ou did, indeed, Liam. And I think you might be right. It's not just a coincidence both these candidates hail from Alaska now, is it?

Alaska, which is so close to the Soviet Union Sarah Palin held secret communications with Putin, and took her marching orders from the reconstituted KGB, right from her back yard.

It's all making sense, now. /snark

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 12:49 PM
....................

Beware of Commissar Palin. She already has named Raese to be the Politburo Representative for the Pennsylvania/West Virgina Region of American Socialist Republics.


Start the count down to when Palin claims that it was a typo, and she meant to tweet "workers need raise".


I love having Palin posting tweets. It is like watching a Monkey trying to solve a Rubik's Cube puzzle.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

and you all thought that we could not get any weirder than sarah

Posted by: mamoore1 | October 19, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse


and you all thought that we could not get any weirder than sarah

Posted by: mamoore1

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All you have to do is follow the trail of Sarah The Endorser, and(With apologies to Chief Joseph) you will discover that she leaves behind her a Trail Of Weirds.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"liberals never want to discuss the real problem with illegal immigration."

Hilarious.

"If the Mexican economy generated prosperity for the citizens they would have no need to migrate here illegally."

It's not just Mexico. Almost every country in Latin America is represented in the population of illegal aliens of Hispanic origin.

And also, people want to come to the United States for a wide variety of reasons. It's not just for jobs. For many people life in America would be a wholesale improvement in their quality of life. Particularly for those with children.

But then again, you're just talking out of your rear again, so I don't know why I bother.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

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Adam J. Levitin & Susan M. Wachter

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Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 19, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of people of Hispanic origin:

GOP Group Airs Ads That Tell Latinos Not To Vote

Yesterday, Latinos for Reform — a Republican 527 group — announced that it purchased an $80,000 buy on Univision to air ads urging Nevada Latino voters not to vote. Robert Desposada, a conservative political consultant and political analyst for Univision, has described the ad as an expression of the Latino community’s frustration with the lack of immigration reform. Apparently, telling Latino voters not to vote will somehow empower them. “It’s the only way for Hispanics to stand up and demand some attention,” Desposada claims. “I can’t ask people to support a Republican candidate who has taken a completely irresponsible and bordering on racist position on immigration,” he said about senatorial candidate Sharron Angle (R-NV). (As a side note, the ad doesn’t mention Angle or the fact that Republicans have been obstructing reform for the past year).

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/19/univision-latinos-for-reform/

So heinous.

It's not like they are fighting for more Latino votes. They are actively trying to SUPPRESS the vote, just like they've done for decades in African-American communities.

The Republican Tea Party should just come out and say it -- and campaign on it:

White votes only.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

what a crock Ethan. You completely ignored my point.

and do yourself a favor boy. If you don't like my comments, then show some self control and ignore them. All you've managed to do here is prove that you don't actually have a response, but you do have an endless stream of nasty comments.

Is this the best you've got sonny? It certainly seems that way to me. but I'll say it again: the real answer is a prosperous Mexico. the Mexicans and their government have no impetus to change because they are using fools like you to bank roll their corruption. No thanks.
And why would their lives be better in America? the only reason is that the government in their countries suck. Taking the path of least resistance gets them here where, again, fools like you offer up other people's money to them for nothing.

Thanks Ethan for proving two things;
(1) You don't know what you are talking about.
(2) You are just a rude little boy.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 19, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Skip,

As I said, it's more than just Mexico. According to Pew Hispanic Center, Mexicans are the majority of undocumented immigrants, but a significant portion comes from Asia, Central America, South America and elsewhere.

A Portrait of Unauthorized Immigrants in the United States

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/107.pdf

I agree that Mexico needs internal reform and never said I am okay with the status quo in Mexico.

But the fact that you put those words in my mouth as if I think that all of the reforms need to be on our side of the border -- which again I do not -- is a perfect example of the fact that you just talk out of your arse on every issue.

You may also want to look at this publication before you start throwing billions upon billions of dollars at a ~2000 mile border fence:

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Flows
Are Down Sharply Since Mid-Decade

http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/126.pdf

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The reason that a Republican group would want to stop hispanics from voting in Nevada is because 61% of likely Hispanic voters favor Reid.

The motivation is totally partisan.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 19, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Once again, you miss my point. Does it really matter if it is mexico or Guatemala? No, the fact remains that citizens of other countries are coming here because the government at home sucks.

InMexico's case the government sucks because it is old line socialist and as corrupt as any part of the old Spanish Empire can be. Instead of promoting the betterment of their citizens they are relying on ill gotten gains being sent to Mexico by illegals in America. Substitute guatemala or ecuador or any other central American state and voila, same problem.

and tell me Ethan, do you think that the efforts of the Mexicans to stem the flow of immigrants INTO mexico will work? Isn't the liberal argument that there is no effective way to stop illegals at the border? so tell me why Mexico would waste the money trying to keep guatemalans and Ecudorians out?

and again, if you don't like my comments, don't bother with them. show some self control.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 19, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Great another jack-wagon! If this guy will probably win though.

Posted by: UnknownHenson | October 19, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow, and no mention that the only reason the Berlin Wall worked so well was because of the snipers. Stray into no-mans land and you get a 7.62 round through the head. No trial, no due process... Instant death sentance. That is what the Tea Party represents.

Posted by: jhalldc | October 19, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

All we truly need is a flaming moat with fire retardant asbestos coated crocodiles and flocks of giant carnivorous owls for when the crocs are sleeping...

Posted by: ozpunk | October 19, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"do you think that the efforts of the Mexicans to stem the flow of immigrants INTO mexico will work? Isn't the liberal argument that there is no effective way to stop illegals at the border? so tell me why Mexico would waste the money trying to keep guatemalans and Ecudorians out?"

I honestly don't know enough about Mexico's efforts to stop other Latin American immigrants into their country to speak to that issue.

As for the liberal argument on the border, all I can say is, like you said, stopping the symptom doesn't effect a cure. I have already agreed with you that Mexico and other Central American and South American countries need to do more to generate economic activity in their home countries in order to minimize the outflow of immigrants to America.

In the USA we need to responsibly acknowledge the facts that immigrants come here to work and that there are 13 million or so illegal immigrants here already. As such, the LAST thing we need on our side of the border is to spend billions of taxpayer money on a border fence that does nothing but add an immensely costly speed bump for immigrants who will find a way under, over and around soft areas of fence.

We need comprehensive immigration reform, a worker ID card, severe penalties on employers who hire outside the new immigrant worker program, a pathway to citizenship for those who want to stay here and contribute to the American economy, among other sensible reforms.

In a rational world a border fence and deportation of responsible immigrants would be non-starters. But unfortunately for ALL involved, immigration reform is hung up on those issues by the Republican Tea Party.

If you want to address the problem, you need to first sit at the table and open your mind to compromise.

Otherwise, if you take a my-way-or-the-highway approach it shows that you really are not serious about the problem in the first place. As a matter of fact, immigration reform was, to me, one of the more promising aspects of the Bush administration. But, as we all know, sadly, the Republican Party put all that to a stop despite the legitimate attempt at reform by a president from their own party.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"InMexico's case the government sucks because it is old line socialist and as corrupt as any part of the old Spanish Empire can be."


Mexico's problem isn't that it's "socialist" - (laughable that you would even claim that) - Mexico's biggest problem is that it's a corrupt oligarchy: it's got a small, wealthy minority who effectively run the country, a tiny sliver of middle class, and then the largest segment of the population lives in moderate to severe poverty.

Anyone who lives in the US who isn't worried about the growing gap between the have and the have nots, should take a little trip across the border to see just what those conditions can lead to.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 19, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still scrawled: "It is now being reported, that Joe Miller's Security Goons are not even licensed, so they have no authority to arrest and handcuff anyone."
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Actually, in AK, CA and MANY other states, a citizen can arrest anyone and detain them in handcuffs. TOTAL authority exists to do so. I guess you don't know much about AK, do you?

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Just because you can make up stuff and provide no proof, does not mean that I have to believe your nonsense.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

@12BarBlues: "The reason that a Republican group would want to stop hispanics from voting in Nevada is because 61% of likely Hispanic voters favor Reid. The motivation is totally partisan"

Well, yes, but I'm not sure how much sense that make as a strategem. Why not just run ads everywhere saying "Whoever you are, Democrats take you for granted. If you normally vote Democrat, this year, make a statement and don't vote. Since, you know, you probably wouldn't vote for a Republican, even as a statement. So make your statement by not voting for Democrats! That'll learn 'em!"

I mean, really? Why not start running ads that say: "Because of poll overcrowding, Election Day is being Held on November 11th for Democrats. So, if you plan to vote Democrat, Remember . . . November 11th is the day you need to vote. And all Democrat absentee ballots should be addressed to the North Pole."

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@schrodinger: If you want to know what the problem with Mexico is, just look at the names of it's political parties. The National Action Party (PAN), the Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) and the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI). Yikes.

While I'm not an expert on Mexico (someone could enlighten us, no doubt) there tax structure is very similar to America's, overall. But, as the Wizard of Oz told Scarecrow, "but there's something they've got that you haven't got!" And that's a VAT tax.

There's also compulsory profit sharing with the employees, so all businesses have to distribute about 10% of income to all employees. I think that's where some people might start to consider it socialist.

They don't tax dividend distributions, in order to encourage foreign investment, and thus fund the oligarchy.

Note that neither compulsory profit sharing, or a VAT tax, seem to have done much to mitigate the gap between the haves and the have nots in Mexico.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still babbled: "Just because you can make up stuff and provide no proof, does not mean that I have to believe your nonsense."

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ROFLMAO. How 'bout a bet boy? I show you the law and you leave WaPo forever? (no sock puppets)

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"Steve Aufrecht makes it clear Miller was referring to the border fence, not the Berlin wall, so I was wrong to suggest otherwise. The U.S.-Mexico border is still substantially longer."

Wrong, of course as usual.

The border IS longer. However, not at all a problem to put a wall up. Just the decision to do so.

BTW, the difference in length is a bit over twice as long.

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness, very few people broke INTO E. Germany. May be he is onto something ;)

Posted by: AMviennaVA | October 19, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I commend Ozpunk for being astute enough to think of the owls as backup for the sleeping crocodiles. If only the East Germans had engineered such redundancy in their wall...

Posted by: wlgiii | October 19, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't want a "path to citizenship" for illegals. I want them to return to whence they came. I don't much care how many years they screwed the system.

but I'm also a realist. Here's what I predict: If America makes it tougher for illegals to stay here (there are a variety of ways to do this, btw) many will return under their own power. Those that chose to stick it out will have to face a process that assesses their relative contribution to our society.

I don't want a path to citizenship for the downtown LA drug lords Ethan. Neither do you. I don't want a path to citizenship for anyone who would be a detriment to our society.

The big problem that the liberals face is the failure of the Reagan era immigration reform. We granted amnesty and received millions of new illegals as our reward.

No thanks.

S cat you are missing one salient fact, there is virtually no barrier to wealth in America today. In Mexico the jefes act to keep the poor poor. We don't. The income disparity is a huge deal for liberals but they can never really answer the question: Why is this a problem if anyone with sufficient ambitition can become rich?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 19, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

It's not a bad idea, although it would cost a lot. Build an immense wall between Alaska and the lower-48. Don't let anyone cross it for at least fifty years. Considering some of the Alaskans invading us in recent years, like Sarah Palin and Ted Stevens, it would only improve both us and Alaska!

Posted by: JONWINDY | October 19, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

JONWINDY siad: "It's not a bad idea, although it would cost a lot. Build an immense wall between Alaska and the lower-48. Don't let anyone cross it for at least fifty years."
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Let me guess, you are a liberal? Would you care to show us on a map, where the wall would go between Alaska & the lower 48 since they don't meet?

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to tell Crazy Joe Miller that it's far past time for him to quit hiding behind his beard and start answering some serious questions. This is a general election not a Teabagger primary, people have the right to know whether or not he's (Miller) an anti govt hypocrite who can't hold a job.

Politics, beanbag, Crazy Joe. Life outside the confines of the primary and the Teabaggers gets a little rough, and when you say outrageous things about Medicare, Social Security, unemployment benefits and other entitlement programs being unconstitutional, you're opening yourself up to scrutiny, and people are going to find out that you're a hypocrite, bilking the state to get a cheap hunting license, taking farm subsidies you condemn, and your family unemployment benefits, or Medicaid that you call unconstitutional.

Not that ethics or fitness to serve seems to get in the way with the Palin cabal. They're like a bunch of mini-Roves, with about half the brain power, smart enough to cook up ratfreaking schemes but not smart enough to cover their tracks.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39621624/ns/politics-decision_2010/
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Joe Miller ACTUALLY complimented the East Germans on their ability to secure the border. This person is a serious candidate for senator from Alaska? He seems to be a nut. How can he admire the East German communist regime for anything?

Posted by: janye1 | October 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

skipsailing28 wrote "The income disparity is a huge deal for liberals but they can never really answer the question: Why is this a problem if anyone with sufficient ambitition can become rich?"

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Ambition is only part of the secret to becoming rich!! The other parts are LUCK, education (generally), a unique idea or product, skill, and the ability to use all of those qualities in a concerted effort.

Of course, it is much easier to become wealthy if Daddy is wealthy and has wealthy friends. For example "W". "W" was a mediocre student, known to be less than ambitious, a less than serious warrior, a failure as a businessman, he was given the interest in the ball team and yet he overcame all of that to be elected President and become wealthy.

Posted by: Freethotlib | October 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"But, as the Wizard of Oz told Scarecrow, "but there's something they've got that you haven't got!" And that's a VAT tax. "

True - but they also do not have local sales taxes as we have here in the states.

" Note that neither compulsory profit sharing, or a VAT tax, seem to have done much to mitigate the gap between the haves and the have nots in Mexico. "

And you know this how? I think it's pretty well accepted (from everything I've read) that poverty rates have declined significantly in the last decade. I'm not suggesting that they are solely responsible...but what leads you to believe that they've played no role whatsoever?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain why Macho Joe Miller needs a security detail? He's a vet, he reveres the 2nd Amendment, knows firearms is a big enough guy who can defend himself. Maybe it's that whole faux Bush Cowboy persona thing. He played cowboy but was afraid of horses.

If Joe Miller was black, blonde heads would be exploding over at FOX.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | October 19, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

It would seem to me that having a southern border 2000 miles long is all the more reason to build an effective wall. Or, if the illegals come here because they will be able to eat at MacDonalds cheap...let's put MacDonalds, Taco Bell, Burger King, Whitecastle, etc in Mexico so they can dine in the comfort of their own country.

Posted by: biteoh | October 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

UPDATE 12:34 p.m: The audio from blogger Steve Aufrecht makes it clear Miller was referring to the border fence, not the Berlin wall, so I was wrong to suggest otherwise. The U.S.-Mexico border is still substantially longer.

Of course, that border we have to defend contains some really significant geographical features, like deserts and rather rugged mountain ranges, that don't exist at all, are only present in the extreme south. Miller references the Fulda gap, which is a low spot in low mountains that was expected to be the one place tanks could reasonably attack NATO with some defense, since on the North German plain they would be sitting ducks before they ever got close enough to NATO to be much of a threat.

But Joe has lots of other troubles so his understanding of geography probably can be ignored.

His understanding of the fourth amendment however leaves a lot to be desired.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 19, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Why does the Serwer "article" seem so blatantly to be selectively written with a tidbit here, there, and then adding up to some real garbage and distorted "information"?

Joe Miller when interviewed appears to be the antithesis of what is being "implied" here.

These days, being leery of the stated "facts" is the best route.
The conniving and manipulating of people's / candidates' words and actions is way beyond blatant.
Thank you "Skewer" but I'll do my own research of this.

Posted by: pjcafe | October 19, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm just saying if people like Miller, O'Donnell, Palin, Angle and the rest of those Nazi TEA PARTY and GOP clowns get into office rest assured this country will look more like 1930's Germany than a democracy!

They'll take away our social security, medicare, unemployment, and they'll tramp on our constitution in such a way as to put Hitler or Stalin to shame.

What worse is these people do this in the name of the lord.

Are people in this country becoming so intolerant and hateful that they'd give up all of our freedoms and what makes this country great so a few brown shirts can take over the government they claim to hate so much?

Posted by: davidbronx | October 19, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"If America makes it tougher for illegals to stay here (there are a variety of ways to do this, btw) many will return under their own power."

You seriously haven't a clue.

I grew up on the border. I spent a great deal of time in Mexico growing up and got a first hand view of the poverty and hardships that exist. Most people grew up hearing their mother talk about starving children in Africa.....I grew up hearing my mother talk about the children living in cardboard boxes and caves just a few miles away.

If there's the slightest chance for these people to improve their lives and the lives of their families they will continue to come. People may choose to demonize them....but there's not a single person in this country - conservative, liberal, libertarian, - who wouldn't do the same thing for their own family if faced with the same situation.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 19, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I think you leftists have it all wrong. The example of the Berlin wall was an excellent way of saying that it can be done. You communists are really reaching.

Posted by: IamWright | October 19, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"I don't want a path to citizenship for the downtown LA drug lords Ethan. Neither do you. I don't want a path to citizenship for anyone who would be a detriment to our society."

No s__t sherlock!!!!!!

Comprehensive immigration reform includes a very well-defined (read: not easy) pathway for citizenship.

THE COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM ACT OF 2010

Introduced by Senator Robert Menendez (D‐NJ) and Senator Patrick Leahy (D‐VT)

Title V – Legalization of Undocumented Individuals

* Creates Lawful Prospective Immigrant (LPI) status for non‐criminal undocumented
immigrants living in the U.S. since 9/30/10. Requires applicants to submit biometric and biographical data, undergo security and law enforcement checks, and pay a $500 fine plus application fees. LPI status lasts four years and can be extended. It includes work authorization and permission to travel abroad; immediate family members are also eligible for status under the program.

o Immigrants may apply for LPI status even if they are in deportation proceedings at
the time of application or have an outstanding removal order.

o In order to transition from LPI status to Legal Permanent Residency (i.e. a “green
card”), applicants are required to wait at least six years; pay taxes and a $1000 fine; learn English and U.S. civics; and undergo additional background checks. They will not obtain green cards before those who were waiting “in line” to immigrate as of date of enactment.

o The LPI program includes a level of administrative and judicial review, confidentiality protections for applicants and their employers, and fraud prevention measures.

* Incorporates the DREAM Act, which creates a path to legal status for individuals who were brought to the U.S. illegally as children, provided they meet age and other criteria and enroll in college or the U.S. military.

http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?bc=1019|6712|8846|33251

Seriously, go read that page Skip.

It's only 3 pages.

GO READ IT!

Tell me what you oppose.

As for Reagan's immigration law:

"The law granted amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants, yet was largely considered unsuccessful because the strict sanctions on employers were stripped out of the bill for passage."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672

It looks like a blanket amnesty because the employer restrictions were STRIPPED OUT.

Oh gee, why was it stripped?

@wikipedia:

"the Chamber of Commerce persistently opposed sanctions against employers"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

UNBELIEVABLE. The CoC AGAIN.

It's up to YOU, Skip, to make sure that comprehensive immigration reform IS comprehensive. That's the ONLY way it will be effective.

And the best way for you to support comprehensive immigration reform is to tell the Chamber of Commerce to get on the right side of history for once.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

schrodingerscat said: "If America makes it tougher for illegals to stay here (there are a variety of ways to do this, btw) many will return under their own power."

You seriously haven't a clue.

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No, YOU are the clueless one. We did EXACTLY that during Ike's Administration. The illegals self deported.

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The folks who run the Tea Party (like the Koch Brothers) need cheap labor. There will be no Berlin-wall like fence built cause the ruling class doesen't want it.

Posted by: Ralph_Indianapolis | October 19, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Palin seeing 2012 from her house and now Miller lauding the East Germans. Go Nuts, Go! We need more entertianment! Posted by: kishorgala"

Maybe she wasn't talking about the year 2012.

Does she live near or in the 2000 block of her street>

Posted by: ceflynline | October 19, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Ralph_Indianapolis: "The folks who run the Tea Party (like the Koch Brothers) need cheap labor. There will be no Berlin-wall like fence built cause the ruling class doesen't want it."

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Is THAT Why Oblather is supporting the lawsuit against the AZ law that cracks down on companies hiring illegals?

ROFLMAO at know nothing libs.

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"All you have to do is follow the trail of Sarah The Endorser, and(With apologies to Chief Joseph) you will discover that she leaves behind her a Trail Of Weirds. Posted by: Liam-still "

Liam: Wrong Chief, wrong trail.

The Trail of Tears is here in the East, from Western North Carolina and Eastern Tennessee up through Kentucky and Ohio and Indiana and down the Ohio and Mississippi to Arkansas and eventually Texas and Oklahoma. The tribes were the Eastern part of the Five Civilized tribes. The Choctaw and the Chickkasaw walked more directly to exile.

Chief Joseph was a Nez Perce, and fled from the Wallowa range to almost to Canada. His last line is "Hear me great chiefs, from where the sun now stands I will fight no more forever."

Posted by: ceflynline | October 19, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Although I do not think they realize it yet, this is the path of authoritarianism the right wing is going down. The tea partiers have a point that government is not functioning for the people, but they are being led by the worst abusers using slogans that make it appear they are their supporters. As our freedoms slowly disappear under the cloak of fighting Obama's "socialism"; as common sense disappears under the fears of "fair and balanced" Fox News; as our elders loose their social security and medicare due to tax cuts for the rich; it will only get worse until our country returns to fighting for the benefits of the average American- not the wealthy media types like Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, or Michelle Malkins "Have Mores".

Posted by: A_VOICE_OF_CONCERN | October 19, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

""If the Mexican economy generated prosperity for the citizens they would have no need to migrate here illegally." It's not just Mexico. Almost every country in Latin America is represented in the population of illegal aliens of Hispanic origin. And also, people want to come to the United States for a wide variety of reasons. It's not just for jobs. For many people life in America would be a wholesale improvement in their quality of life. Particularly for those with children. But then again, you're just talking out of your rear again, so I don't know why I bother. Posted by: Ethan2010"

And so many of those Central American "Democracies" are Banana Republics run on the Principle of, "Our Rich Friends get what they want, and to hell with the middle class and the poor."

Posted by: ceflynline | October 19, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Gee GI Joe Miller, go build a fence between Canada and Alaska. You pay the bill. Canada also needs to protect our border from the fasist gun toting Americans. And prevent you from bringing your pot into Canada. I understand it is legal in Alaska.
I suppose Joe you would rather have East Germany for a neighbour than Canada.

Posted by: fransh | October 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, in AK, CA and MANY other states, a citizen can arrest anyone and detain them in handcuffs. TOTAL authority exists to do so. I guess you don't know much about AK, do you? Posted by: illogicbuster "

No, not really.

Years ago I had an ex Stocton CA cop explian citizen's arrest to me.

Essentially, no cop has any power to arrest not vested in any citizen. What he has is enough knowledge of the law to have a decent cover statute under which he can claim to arrest you, and knows how to so testify that you stand damn little chance of getting him for false arrest.

ANY citizen may arrest a criminal, PROVIDED, that the citizen has competent knowledge of the crime for which he is arresting the perp, and has competent knowledge of the perp to know that he did commit the crime, (here the cop gets a break. The cop needs only probable cause. You try arresting someone on "probable cause" and see how much sympathy you get when he sues you for every cent you have).

The cop makes his arrest on his knowledge of the law, and of the things the perp did to break it. YOU have to have the same knowledge to arrest and get by with it.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 19, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow alot of corrections there Greg. Miller is absolutely correct. Can you imagine the force that would be brought to bear if you tried to run through customs at Dulles or Reagan? Why would we have anything less at the boarder? We can penalize employers and enforce a federal style law like the one AZ mirrored in the states. Indeed, AZ style laws probably will be the most effective. But to suggest force at the boarder is not a necesarry component is ridiculous.

Posted by: dummypants | October 19, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

ceflynline wrote: "No, not really."
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Yes, really. Read the statutes.

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Why did you not report that two soldiers were part of Miller's security team? Why did you not report that USA military members arrested a journalist and withheld his 1st Amendment rights?

Neither of the Ft. Richardson soldiers had been cleared to work the off-duty Miller security. Is the military now complicit in the abrogation of constitutional rights?

Posted by: neec13 | October 19, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"ceflynline wrote: "No, not really."
Yes, really. Read the statutes. Posted by: illogicbuster "

Quite obviously you didn't read my post.

All 50 states have some form of citizen arrest, based at least on common law.

But like the adage, "Anyone can sue about anything, but not anyone can win", anyone can make a citizens arrest, but the trick is to avoid getting sued, and losing, for doing it. It is the not getting sued part that makes it "Not Really."

So go ahead, arrest someone, handcuff him, and wait for the cops. When he sues you for false arresty, wins, and takes everything you got, comfort yourself with your yes, really. When, in the process, he files criminal charges and you lose there too, again, comfort yourself with your, yes, really.

But for us pragmatic citizens, remember, "No, not really."

Now, should you ever learn to read, get back to me. 'Til then you join STRF, Skipsailing, Brigade, and Jake D on my delete before reading list.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 19, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

"ceflynline wrote: "So go ahead, arrest someone, handcuff him, and wait for the cops. When he sues you for false arresty, wins,"

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I've done so twice. No problem. But then again, I have a brain...

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"ceflynline wrote: "So go ahead, arrest someone, handcuff him, and wait for the cops. When he sues you for false arresty, wins,"

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I've done so twice. One time I actually had to beat the person into submission (tried to resist the arrest, a BIG no, no) No problems. But then again, I have a brain...

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 19, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"We did EXACTLY that during Ike's Administration. The illegals self deported."

And we all know the world hasn't changed at all in the past half a century, has it?

"But then again, I have a brain..."

Yet you apparently lack the intelligence to run the internets well enough to avoid double posting. Go figure.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 19, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's take this same set-up, and run it through a wingnut translator:

A. Joe Miller recommended East German methods to solve American problems.

B. East Germany was a lying, murderous Communist regime. America is the greatest nation that ever existed in human history.

C. Anyone who would suggest adopting the ways of a lying, murderous Communist regime here in God's most blessed America must be a lying, murderous Communist themselves.

D. Therefore, Joe Miller is a lying, murderous Communist who wants to bring lying, murderous Communism to our great nation.

E. Joe Miller is also a Republican.

F. Therefore, all Republicans are lying, murderous Communists, too!

Wow, that was EASY! Guilt-by-tenuous-association is FUN! You can slime ANYBODY doing that! No wonder the wingnuts do it all the time. Sure beats thinking!

Posted by: WaitingForGodot | October 19, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

What many of you miss about the U.S/Mexico border is that it is 2000 miles when driven in a straight line. If you followed the line of the Rio Grande with every twist and turn and oxbow, it would be closer to 4000 miles in Texas alone.

Another point, is where would you build this wall?

In the U.S.? Where would the ranchers and farmers along the border get their water? The Rio Grande feeds many farms and ranches along it's banks.

In Mexico? That would go over like a lead balloon as an internation border dispute erupted.

With all of that considered; I would surmise that it would be easier to annex Mexico and make it part of Texas, than it would be to build that wall and then try to enforce the immigration laws along it.

Just a thought...... or two...

Posted by: HarashoPuck | October 19, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Is that "America, the greatest country in the world" ?
To me it looks more than the Roman Empire at its downfall.

Posted by: modar | October 19, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Is that "America, the greatest country in the world" ?
To me it looks more than the Roman Empire at its downfall.

Posted by: modar | October 19, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

One could only assume that Ronald Reagan would step out of his grave to intone, "Mr. Miller, take down this wall."

Posted by: joachim1 | October 19, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis didn't read his cite to show how we were able to construct over 40,000 miles of interstate. The initial cost estimate for the system was $25 billion over 12 years; it ended up costing $114 billion (adjusted for inflation, $425 billion in 2006 dollars[14]) and taking 35 years to complete.[15, still is not completed, and also included highways which were over 30 years old when it was proposed by Eisenhower.

Posted by: reiter22 | October 20, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

"The Berlin Wall" and the "Iron Curtain" were common terms used to refer to the entire border controls between Western Europe and Eastern Europe.


For instance, one could not be in East Germany, go south - and then dash from a Soviet bloc nation into the West.


"Berlin Wall" was a common term for the ENTIRE border between West And East Germany - NOT just the border between West Berlin and East Germany.


Trying to say that Joe Miller was historically inaccurate with this quibbling is ridiculous.


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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 20, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Can we just give Alaska back to Russia...the cold must have affected some of the brains up there. Now not only is Abraham Lincoln rolling in his grave, but Ronald Reagan is also.

Posted by: Sherry91 | October 21, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

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