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Lou Dobbs's illegal immigrant problem -- and ours

Adam Serwer is a staff writer for The American Prospect, where he writes his own blog.

The fact that Lou Dobbs, who is responsible for some of the absolute worst lies about illegal immigrants, may have actually hired some should come as a shock to no one:

But with his relentless diatribes against "illegals" and their employers, Dobbs is casting stones from a house -- make that an estate -- of glass. Based on a yearlong investigation, including interviews with five immigrants who worked without papers on his properties, The Nation and the Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute have found that Dobbs has relied for years on undocumented labor for the upkeep of his multimillion-dollar estates and the horses he keeps for his 22-year-old daughter, Hillary, a champion show jumper.

Dobbs lives in a sprawling white mansion on his 300-acre estate in Sussex, New Jersey, where he and his family run a horse farm. In 2005 he acquired another house -- a spacious multimillion-dollar winter holiday home in Eagle Isle, the most exclusive enclave of the Ibis Golf and Country Club, a gated community in West Palm Beach, Florida. It offers his daughter a place to stay during her competitions at the Wellington Winter Equestrian Festival, one of the most important events in the horse show world.

If this is accurate, Dobbs deserves to be raked over the coals for it. He's spent the last several years of his career doing his best to dehumanize illegal immigrants, from popularizing the myth that immigrants cause leprosy to mainstreaming the conspiracy theory that Mexicans are seeking to annex the American Southwest through "reconquista." 

The problem is that fixating on the personal hypocrisy of border hawks such as Dobbs and California Republican gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman threatens to obscure the larger problem, which is that our current immigration system doesn't remotely recognize the realities of domestic demand for unauthorized immigrant labor. Instead there's a lot of posturing about the border, despite the evidence that increased spending on border security doesn't reduce unauthorized entry, because as long as there are jobs here to get, desperate people will cross an increasingly dangerous border to come to get them. The only thing that seems to have substantially reduced illegal immigration since 1993 is the worst recession since the 1920s, and I think we can all agree that cure is worse than the disease. 

Sure, Whitman and Dobbs deserve the public criticism they're getting. The bigger issue remains, as I wrote last week, that "as a country we dehumanize undocumented immigrants even as we demand and depend on their labor. We beckon them with one hand while trying to crush them with the other." No one is more emblematic of this dynamic than wealthy border hawks who hire undocumented immigrants, but they're not the problem -- they're the symptom of a problem, and we shouldn't get so caught up in their personal hypocrisy that we lose what should be a teachable moment about how broken and useless our current immigration system actually is. 

By Adam Serwer  | October 7, 2010; 11:47 AM ET
Categories:  Immigration  
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Lou Dobbs is a disgusting, pitiful human being.

His demonization of illegal aliens is partly responsible for the overt race-baiting we've seen in the GOP.

This is most recently born out by the horrific, overtly racist ad ran last week by Sharron Angle.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"as a country we dehumanize undocumented immigrants even as we demand and depend on their labor. We beckon them with one hand while trying to crush them with the other."

We?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 7, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The silver lining here is that Olbermann will be able to reprise his creepy, perfect Dobbs imitation during what will no doubt be another Worst Person in the World victory for Lou.

Pitchforks and torches, indeed.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 7, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Senate

It seems like North Dakota, Arkansas and Indiana are going to be democratic pick-ups.


In the second category - PA, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Colorado - The Republicans are in the lead and will win absent any major movements.


So that leave the third category - the real toss-up races Illinois, Nevada, Washington State - and now because of her money, Connecticut.

So, if one looks at this clearly, the picture emerges


The Republicans have to run the tables - however in 7 states, they are looking good - the Republicans need 3 more to take control - and here are the possibilities: NV, Washington State, Illinois and Connecticut.


The one place the democrats really have a chance for a pick-up is New Hampshire, but the Republican is still ahead at the present time.


We all know what is going on in Nevada - in Washington State there are some polls which have Dino Rossi ahead. That would put the Illinois race as the one for control of the Senate. The democrats have a 34 year-old-candidate whose family BANK just went under. Not exactly the best profile for this year.


In Connecticut, this race has to be on the list because Linda McMahon has so much money and has flooded the airwaves. Blumenthal has a stiff appearance on the campaign trial - and lied about fighting in Vietnam. Again, why the democrats didn't get him out a long time ago is beyound reason.


The Republicans have to run the tables - that is true - but the path to victory is there.


I personally believe that people want to VOTE AGAINST OBAMA this year - and the close races will experience a shockwave of those voters on election day.

A democratic candidate is really going to need a lead of 5 points going into election day.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

What is a new theme of this blog ? Pick out Republicans who we have a reason to vilify - and let's EXPOUND on that vilification?


It seems like the HATE is out there.


Hypocrisy is all over the place. Go to ANY restaurant - hire ANY landscaping firm - DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO IS WORKING THERE, AND THEIR LEGAL STATUS ???


But YOU are patronizing those businesses - and YOU should know better - you were sitting right there when SOMEONE took your plate, right?

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who uses illegal aliens or for what reason, it is WRONG.

Outlaw "immigrants" should not be encouraged to keep breaking American law in any way.

Illegals should NEVER be enticed to hide in the shadows with promises of AMNESTY and cheap, easy American citizenship. That is also wrong.

Americans are fed up with apologetic politicians who seem to side with these border bandidos. We are tired of America being used as a dumping ground for Mexico's unwanted humanity.

The Dobbs thing only demonstrates the magnitude of the outlaw "immigrant" problem. Illegals are everywhere. There are so many of them it is getting hard to find any, real Americans to do anything. They have all been driven out of business by dirt cheap illegals. We have reached an illegal saturation point and now we must begin unsaturating.

At least Obama has stepped up the deportations but it is like trying to save the Titanic with a bucket brigade.

We need drastic solutions!

Posted by: battleground51 | October 7, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin: FWIW, I find your writing insightful, amusing, and even debonair. Don't agree with your politics, mind you, but I enjoy your comments!

But then, I like Troll McWingnut's comments, too. :-)

And to quote Liam, to a certain poster above, "In your pants!"

Posted by: Michigoose | October 7, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I hired Lou Dobbs to take my plate, and the bastard never did. Instead he took off to play himself in a episode of The Good Wife.

Just goes to show, if you want to have your plate removed, you should not hire Lou Dobbs.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

NO - what they should do is raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour - and HIRE AMERICANS.

Those companies should be required to ADD health care benefits to those wages - which will ADD about $2 per hour to the cost of employing those workers.


AND that is is - labor should be $12 an hour.


The COST of everything should GO UP to reflect those additional costs.


I don't buy the idea that our economy is so HOOKED on cheap labor. How much more expensive would restaurants and landscaping be if we had to raise the prices to reflect these???


THEN the Free Trade deals have to be re-visited to even out the TRADE - so foreign labor doesn't get an advantage in the marketplace - our LABOR gets first priority at $12 - and the labor of foreign nations at $2 or $3 per hour comes next.


It is amazing that the TOTAL COST of labor in other countries is ABOUT the cost of just HEALTH CARE for workers.


I really believe if the liberals would just SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS - there would be much much MORE AGREEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY.


Spell out ALL THE COSTS, ALL THE ECONOMIC DISLOCATION - ALL THE ECONOMIC GROWTH ISSUES - and just come to where one has to be.


Labor here in this country is $12 PER HOUR including Health Care - employ ALL AMERICANS BEFORE WE HIRE AN ILLEGAL OR IMPORT ANYTHING FROM CHINA.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

right on schedule, mr Serwer serves up today's dose of misleading anti opponent nonsense.

Here's the pivotal statement from good old Adam: "If this is accurate..."

This is an admission that he doesn't actually know. The rest of the blog entry is just prove that even if he doesn't know, he certainly doesn't care. Isn't this the same emotional dynamic that ended Dan Rather's career? Mr Serwer are you sharing something unvetted because it is just to juicy not to do so? Is this really what journalism has come to?

next, what proof does Mr Serwer offer that Mr Dobbs knew or even reasonably could have know about the legal status of the folks that are mentioned? Again, is Mr Serwer suffering from Rather syndrome wherein he wishes this to be true so badly that he'll abandon ethics to print it?

Finally, what does this say about the state of mind of the American left? Given the looming repudiation of their agenda is the politics of personal destruction all they have left?

thanks Mr Serwer for not disappointing. I wonder what new depths of yellow journalism you'll dream up tomorrow!

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 7, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Shorter SaveTheRainForest:

Pay no attention to the subject matter at hand...


Look

Over

There

!!!

Posted by: bmcchgo | October 7, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Dobbs (and Whitman) did nothing illegal AND verified on the I-9 forms any (fake) information provided to them by said illegal aliens. The SOLUTION of course would be to seal the border and deport all illegal aliens.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Forest Creature.

"In Your Pants!!!"

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

It would be far less costly, and much easier, to just deport Dobbs and Nut Meg for having violated the emigration laws.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Is this the CNN version of Hate Bush - take some guy from years ago - and have a discussion how everyone should REMEMBER how much they hate that guy - and that is supposed to sway an election about TODAY'S ECONOMY ?


ok that isn't going to work.

NV, Washington State, Illinois and Connecticut - those are the States which are the real race for the Senate. There are polls which show the Republicans ahead in NV, Wash and Illinois - so those races are certainly possible pick-ups.


Linda McMahon is the wildcard - she has so much money - but Connecticut is an unusual State - and her resume really does not excite people there - that could be the one factor which is holding her back.


QUESTION Can Obama go to the southside of Chicago - and excite the blacks there to vote for a baby-faced 34-year-old whose family BANK just got taken over by the FDIC ???

It is ALMOST FICTION - who could have written that? A writer bringing that story to an editor whould have the manucript BURNED.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"from popularizing the myth that immigrants cause leprosy"

And that women spread diphtheria just by looking at you.

"doesn't remotely recognize the realities of domestic demand for unauthorized immigrant labor"

By which you mean rich people want to pay slave wages for their domestic help, rather than mowing their own yards or doing their own laundry, like the rest of us? Or paying, I dunno, a jobless American citizen minimum wage to do the drudgery their too all-fired important to handle for themselves?

Color me unimpressed.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

the only thing worse than a hatchet job is an inept hatchet job.

here's a close as we'll get to "proof" that Mr Dobbs knew, or reasonably could have known, that illegals were working at his place:
"When I asked whether the Dobbs family knew that undocumented workers were caring for their horses, Gomez responded by saying that at least in the case of Hillary Dobbs, "I believe she knew." The stable owner knew "that some people didn't have papers," Gomez said, and had even taken precautions to keep the workers away from the immigration agents who often patrol the areas around horse shows. Gomez said it was hard to believe that Dobbs's daughter, who was in close contact with these undocumented workers almost every weekend, could have been unaware of their status."

so Mr Serwer asks us to take the word of a 24 year old criminal rather than that of a successful fellow journalist. I see.

ah yes, the politics of personal destruction rears its ugly head. The American left no longer needs proof of anything at all. They just have to believe that it is true and magically it is.

In the meantime their cynical use of illegals is the kind of treatment they used to reserve for America's blacks. As long as these folks stay on the Democrat plantation they will get crumbs thrown at them by the like of Obama while the real opportunities that freedom engenders eludes them.

This is a shame. Mr Sargent is this honestly the best you can do for "guests"?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 7, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's talk about Krystal Ball - Democratic candidate for Congress in VA 1.


I don't think those pictures are that bad.

IN fact, I would probably vote for Krystal Ball

Those who say that Krystal looked like a "dominatrix" in the pics - I really don't see that.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Let's talk about Krystal Ball - Democratic candidate for Congress in VA 1.


I don't think those pictures are that bad.

IN fact, I would probably vote for Krystal Ball

Those who say that Krystal looked like a "dominatrix" in the pics - I really don't see that.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

During his 2008 campaign for President, John McCain said that American Workers would not pick lettuce or other crops, even if you paid them $50.00 per hour, to do so.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Bmgcchi

What part of Chicago are you from and what do you hear from the people on the street about Rahm?

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 7, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Before we have to waste taxpayer $$ to arrest him, Dobbs should turn himself in.

Posted by: lichtme | October 7, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I doubt anything will change regarding immigration for three reasons:

1) The money behind the GOP LOVES illegal immigration. They like having access to a cheap workforce that they can treat poorly.

2) Given that deporting 11 Million people is fiscally and logistically impossible, any workable solution will involve some form of legalization. There is no way the Republicans will allow that to happen because once legalized a large majority of those legalized would be reliable Democratic voters.

3) Much of the Republican base is, well, virulently anti-brown people. They love to blame everything that is wrong anywhere in this country on said brown people. I’ve not seen anything recently from the Republicans that shows they are willing to stand up to that portion of their base that holds these feelings. They can’t even stand up to Rush Limbaugh, and Rush would lose it if the GOP went along with a comprehensive immigration policy.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 7, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "During his 2008 campaign for President, John McCain said that American Workers would not pick lettuce or other crops, even if you paid them $50.00 per hour, to do so."

Um, no. If the gig was steady enough, I'd do it. Even if it only last 6 months, that'd be $52k . . . I'd pick lettuce for that, especially if I could find something profitable to do for the remaining 6 months of the year.

Alas, it gets to the point where paying workers $50 an hour for field work makes almost any form of automation more profitable. Which, frankly, I'm thinking we'd probably have a lot more of in the US now, if it weren't for illegal immigrant labor.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Should anyone be surprised that they unknowingly have an illigal immigrant working for them?

In Meg Whitmans case it seems she did her best to hire legally. First off She turned to a legitimate temp agency, she paid way above average wage ($23 per hour! - not exactly taking advantage of an undocumented) She (the Whitmans) filed and paid the employers share of taxes, which is what brought up the issue of the maid's social security number in the first place.

It wasn't Meg Whitman taking advantage of the illegal immigrant, it is Gloria Alred and the Dems who are, and shame on them.

As for Lou Dobbs, I only ask that you get real.... Contract with almost any company for lawn or farm care and you are likely to have an illegal or two who works for that company. Not to mention roofing, excavation, concrete, paving etc.

Now I ask you, do you look to see if the company you are contracting with is legit?, or do you investigate every employee working for them? Get real.

Yes illegal immigration is an employer problem, but in Lou Dobbs case the employer was the company contracted to dp the work for him. In Meg's case, by going through an employment agency she assumed the agency did a background check. They didn't, or they flubbed it.

Posted by: robinTX54 | October 7, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"We need drastic solutions!"

At this point, anyone who doesn't want comprehensive immigration reform is FOR the current broken system.

That includes ALL Republicans and ALL dittohead Republican Tea Partiers.

No if's and's or but's.

We either reform the system or we don't.

Those against comprehensive reform DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE CURRENT SYSTEM. Simple as that.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Social Security notified Meg Whitman, back in 2003, that the maid's social security record did not match their records. Meg ignored that alert, because she was not running for any office back then. Now that she has entered politics, and has called on all employers to be held accountable, Meg has had her own previous indifference on the matter, come back to haunt her.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I want comprehensive immigration reform (seal the border and deport all illegal aliens ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Actually, robin, the right wing ALIPAC, Americans for Legal Immigration, disagree with you.

From their 9/30 press release:

"We need equal justice for both the illegal alien and the employer," said William Gheen, President of ALIPAC. "Nicky Diaz should be charged and deported and Meg Whitman should face the existing penalties under current US law as well. No Amnesty for Whitman or Diaz, the Rule of Law must be restored in America."

Let's see if they add Lou Dobbs to the list of employers who should face penalties.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 7, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Dobbs is just another televangelist who makes money via racebaiting, like Limbaugh and Beck. And, they are laughing all the way to the bank. And, just like all the drug users here that are fueling the drug lord insurgency in Mexico, so go our racist fellow Americans who fuel the bank accounts of Dobbs of our airwaves.

Posted by: dozas | October 7, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Let me translate Ethan's 12:46 posting:

either you support the liberal "solution" or you are in favor of loading babies into boxcars with a pitchfork!

yeah, right Ethan. Polarized much?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 7, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Liar-still:

There's no proof that Mrs. Whitman ever saw that "alert". While there is allegedly her husband's handwriting on the letter, he says that he does not recall the letter.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

wow, what a shock...not. Rush rails against drug addicts and is one, many GOP who vilify gays are secretly chating on their wives with men, and now Lou is just joining the hypocritical Convervative windbag tribe. But, stupid people listen to them and make them money none-the-less.

Posted by: sux123 | October 7, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest:

We are discussing Ms. Ball on the prior thread.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/hicky_actor_in_gop_ad_speaks_l.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

robinTX54, ignorance of the law is an excuse?

Maybe in Texas.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 7, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

sux123 (not even gonna touch that one):

What does "secretly chating" mean? Franck Eggelhoffer, is that YOU?!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Meg Whitman-Harsh said that employers must be held accountable for making sure that they do not hire people with false documentation.


That means that Mrs Meg Whitman-Harsh must be held to the very same accountability hiring standards that she has demanded that all employers be held too.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

All check this out RNC circulates a study that find the Dem tax plan on the Bush tax cuts is better than the GOP one:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/rnc_circulates_study_that_show.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 7, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

More tired old, phony, hypocritical "Christian" Republican "do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do" demonizing Mexicans as a hateful Rovian political wedge issue while exploiting them to mow the lawns at Romney's mansions, to clean Whitman's house and to scoop up horse poop at the racist Dobb's ranch.

Please, dear Jesus, do not allow there to be more than 25% of Americans who are addicted to Fox News and therefore can't see through the evil these teabaggers intend to inflict on the rest of us.

Posted by: areyousaying | October 7, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Liar-still:

Without proof that Mrs. Whitman ever saw that "alert", the STANDARD she's being held to is exactly the same as everyone else. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"either you support the liberal "solution" or you are in favor of loading babies into boxcars with a pitchfork!"

That is skip's pathologically insane response to my post.

Basically she is saying that she WANTS the current immigration system and she WANTS illegals in her community without any way to track them or make sure they are being treated fairly by employers.

If that's what you want Skip, the status quo, then by all means continue to scream bloody murder any time an issue is brought to the table.

If you DON'T want the status quo, then propose something intelligent or shut up.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that when someone presents falst documents and a fake SS number it's hard do know who's legal and who's not.

E-verify has been scuttled by this administration.

The correct solution, which I use, is to never hire anyone with an accent.

Posted by: joe_g | October 7, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

ALIPAC, Americans for Legal Immigration:

From their 9/30 press release:

"We need equal justice for both the illegal alien and the employer," said William Gheen, President of ALIPAC. "Nicky Diaz should be charged and deported and Meg Whitman should face the existing penalties under current US law as well. No Amnesty for Whitman or Diaz, the Rule of Law must be restored in America."

Let's see if they add Lou Dobbs to the list of employers who should face penalties.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 7, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well...ALIPAC Americans for Legal Immigration have already turned on Lou Dobbs:

Per their 12/09 press release:

Americans for Legal Immigration PAC is withdrawing support for Lou Dobbs after years, including the suspension of websites calling on Dobbs to run for President due to the perceived change in Mr. Dobbs's stances on immigration issues.

"While Mr. Dobbs claims his positions have not changed, however, that is not the perception of many of our mutual supporters," said William Gheen of ALIPAC. "His recent comments on Telemundo and his national radio show supporting some kind of path to citizenship for illegal immigrants is inconsistent with positions of ALIPAC and the views of most American citizens."

http://www.alipac.us/article4744.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 7, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

he correct solution, which I use, is to never hire anyone with an accent.

Posted by: joe_g | October 7, 2010 1:24 PM

.....................

Republicans hired Arnold, and he does sound like he may have a slight hint of an accent.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

And again, Ethan re iterates his position: my way or the highway. Either one whole heartedly supports the liberal "solution" or one is in favor of loading babies onto boxcars with a pitchfork.

Tell me Ethan, have you whined much about a lack of bipartisanship in congress these days? If so do you wonder why compromise is so hard to achieve? How does any rational person compromise with an unyeilding dogmatic purveyor of the "one right way" like you?

My point is simple. Try this Ethan: dig yourself. Just try reading what you've written. Perhaps some day after your fevered brow has been soothed you'll see yourself in a much different light.

In the meantime I will continue to poke fun at your inability to see anything other that what you believe is there.

Have a great day!!

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 7, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Republicans hired Dinesh, Newt praises his work, and Dinesh has a heavy accent.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Louie Lou Lie!

Posted by: piemcj | October 7, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Adam Serwer is, of course, misleading. There's nothing in the article that I can see that alleges that Dobbs actually hired anyone.

Further, after he left CNN (pushed out by someone who's since been fired), Dobbs supported amnesty. The current version of Dobbs is more on Adam Serwer's side than most Americans. And, we see how those like Adam Serwer treat their new friends.

The bottom line here is the bottom line: powerful interests see illegal aliens as a source of money and power, and this smear campaign is part of their larger campaign to profit from illegal activity.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | October 7, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Dinesh has a heavy accent.
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And then there's Haley Barbour.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 7, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

More tired old "do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do" from Republicans who demonize Mexicans as a Rovian political wedge issue while exploiting them to cut the lawns at Romney's mansions, to clean Whitman's house and to pick up horse poop at the racist Dobbs ranch.

Please, sweet Jesus, don't let there be more than 25% of Americans addicted to Fox News who can't see through what evil theocratic, radical right-wing extremist intentions the teabaggers have for the rest of us Americans.

Posted by: areyousaying | October 7, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Dinesh has a heavy accent.
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And then there's Haley Barbour.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 7, 2010 1:33 PM

.................

These modern day Xenophobes would have deported Lawrence Welk, because he talked with a strange accent.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"my way or the highway"

That's right.

"My" way is called legislating reform via Congress. That's not just "my" way, it's the AMERICAN way.

You have no way. Your "way" is to do nothing but scream at clouds. You are lost. You are as ignorant as you are pathologically insane.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Downright dishonest post by Serwer. There's no allegation in the Nation article that Dobbs hired illegal immigrants. He hired a company, and of course Dobbs has no right or capability of checking the status of its employees.

As for Whitman, had she taken employment action on the basis of the SSA mismatch letter, she could have been sued for discrimination.

Posted by: tomtildrum | October 7, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Before we kill Dobbs, can we at least note the following. The article provides info from 5 anonymous former workers. I'm enough of a justice nut to want to have a more fair trial than that. Also the article doesn't diffrentiate between whether or not these workers were hired by Dobbs himself, or work for an outside contractor that does work for him. I think that makes a diffrence, but some of you may not.

Posted by: 54465446 | October 7, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I always thought that Lou Dobbs should have been televising his illegal Hispanic rants over at FIXED News, as opposed to CNN. At least over at FIXED News he would have been right at home with the rest of the Elitist Right-Wing racist critters.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | October 7, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

tomtildrum:

To be fair, we don't KNOW if Dobbs hired anyone directly or not, but the allegation is that his DAUGHTER did know the workers were undocumented.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, loved the music of Lawrence Welk, legal or not.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse


Dinesh has a heavy accent.
---------------------------
And then there's Haley Barbour.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 7, 2010 1:33 PM

.................

These modern day Xenophobes would have deported Lawrence Welk, because he talked with a strange accent.

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I didn't say deport them, I said "Don't hire them", because it's impossible to verify someone's elligability to work. As far as Arnold and Dinesh are concerned, has anyone checked their SS numbers?

Posted by: joe_g | October 7, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "These modern day Xenophobes would have deported Lawrence Welk, because he talked with a strange accent."

That's just silly. Lawrence Welk was conducting the easy-listening orchestras that American's just didn't want to conduct. Not for $50 an hour would an American conduct an orchestra--but Lawrence Welk stepped up to the plate and made it happen.

Except, of course, having been born in Strasburg, North Dakota, he actually was an American citizen. So there goes that theory.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

More tired old "do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do" from Republicans who demonize Mexicans as a Rovian political wedge issue while exploiting them to cut the lawns at Romney's mansions, to clean Whitman's house and to pick up horse poop at the racist Dobbs ranch.

Please, sweet Jesus, don't let there be more than 25% of Americans addicted to Fox News who can't see through what evil theocratic, radical right-wing extremist intentions the teabaggers have for the rest of us Americans.

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Explain to me, with 9.5% unemployment, why we have to import roofers, cement layers, construciton guys, waiters, cooks, etc? Go to any restuarant; the cooks are all from Central or South America and Mexico. The same with contsruction sites. Why don't we hire Americans and get that unemployment figure down.

Posted by: joe_g | October 7, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"because as long as there are jobs here to get, desperate people will cross an increasingly dangerous border to come to get them."

Wouldn't it be more effective to punish the people and corporations who HIRE illegal workers? If the job market for illegal workers were to shrink, then there would be less incentive for them to risk their lives to get here. I mean, there are laws addressing this on the books.

Posted by: Skowronek | October 7, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Everybody,

GREAT GREAT GREAT catch by The Upshot...

Sharron Angle anti-immigrant ad:

http://mit.zenfs.com/5/2010/10/Screen-shot-2010-10-07-at-11.48.56-AM.png

David Vitter anti-immigrant ad:

http://mit.zenfs.com/5/2010/10/Screen-shot-2010-10-07-at-11.51.19-AM.png

SAME D@MN PHOTO OF "SCARY LATINO IMMIGRANTS"

Article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101007/pl_yblog_upshot/attack-ads-riddled-with-gaffes-as-midterms-approach

Unbelievable.

What a total disgrace the Republican Party is.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

That's just silly. Lawrence Welk was conducting the easy-listening orchestras that American's just didn't want to conduct. Not for $50 an hour would an American conduct an orchestra--but Lawrence Welk stepped up to the plate and made it happen.

Except, of course, having been born in Strasburg, North Dakota, he actually was an American citizen. So there goes that theory.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 7, 2010 1:53 PM | R

Ever hear Stan Freberg's parody of Mr. Welk. "Stop the bubble machine, we are drifting out to sea"?

There is a scene in one Richard Pryor movie; it may be titled Moving?, where he has to move, but leaves his African American teenage daughter behind, with a couple of lovely older white neighbors, so that the girl can finish in the same high-school. They cut to a scene of the couple sitting on the couch, with the girl sitting between them, and the Lawrence Welk show is on. The look on the girl's face is priceless.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

This is where the bigotry comes in Ethan:
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You have no way. Your "way" is to do nothing but scream at clouds. You are lost. You are as ignorant as you are pathologically insane.

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How the f word do you know this? simple answer you don't. Rest it old son. You're a polarizing figure because you cannot brook disagreement. Instead you hurl spittle fleck invective instead of engaging in honest discussion.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 7, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

joe_g:

It's actually 10.1% unemployment (Obama is LYING again).

Friday's Unemployment Rate Report Likely to Understate

The government's final unemployment report before the midterm elections is based on job market conditions around mid-September. Gallup's modeling of the unemployment rate is consistent with Tuesday's ADP report of a decline of 39,000 private-sector jobs, and indicates that the government's national unemployment rate in September will be in the 9.6% to 9.8% range. This is based on Gallup's mid-September measurements and the continuing decline Gallup is seeing in the U.S. workforce during 2010.

However, Gallup's monitoring of job market conditions suggests that there was a sharp increase in the unemployment rate during the last couple of weeks of September. It could be that the anticipated slowdown of the overall economy has potential employers even more cautious about hiring.

...

Further, Gallup's underemployment measure suggests that the percentage of workers employed part time but looking for full-time work is declining as the unemployment rate increases. To some degree, this may reflect a reduced company demand for new part-time employees. For example, employers may be converting some existing part-time workers to full time when they are needed as replacements, but may not in turn be hiring replacement part-time workers. Another explanation may relate to the shrinkage of the workforce, as some employees who have taken part-time work in hopes of getting full-time jobs get discouraged and drop out of the workforce completely -- going back to school to enhance their education, for example, instead of doing part-time work. It is even possible that some workers may find unemployment insurance a better alternative than part-time work with little prospect of going full time.

Regardless, the sharp increase in the unemployment rate during late September does not bode well for the economy during the fourth quarter, or for holiday sales. In this regard, it is essential that the Federal Reserve and other policymakers not be misled by Friday's jobs numbers. The jobs picture could be deteriorating more rapidly than the government's job release suggests.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

ha ha ha. this is just too funny. another right-wing demagogue all fire and brimstone, but nothing more then lip-service to wast he condemns - a PR stunt. and the GOP?TeaParty lemmings eat it up as they jump off the cliff. ha ha ha

Posted by: funkey | October 7, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Lawrence Welk--what a coincidence to bring him up. He was born in the U.S. but he spoke almost no English growing up even up until adulthood. The story is that Welk definitely fought xenophobia being a non-English speaker and German, to boot. He spoke barely a word of English at 21, when he headed up his first musical group, Lawrence and His Hotsy Totsy Boys. Don't you love that name?

Welk not only had an accent--he didn't even speak English. It goes to prove you can't judge citizenship by accent (or even English).

North Dakota is very proud of their native son.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 7, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Not to interrupt with good news or anything, but the White House is going to pocket veto the bill that would have legalized all the illegal things lenders have been doing to foreclose. The Senate passed a version of it yesterday without a vote, but the President had the guts to say no. He should get out there on the campaign trail about this one. One more reason to gut the Senate of it's old men when they run for re-elction!

Posted by: 54465446 | October 7, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Now there is a chorus of commenters questioning the integrity of Mr Serwer.

the best he's got is an allegation made by an admitted criminal. We're supposed to believe that because this 24 year old illegal thinks that maybe, just maybe someone ought to have known that he was lying Dobbs is a horrible hypocrite.

what complete nonsense. If Mr Serwer ever wonders why the credibility of his trade has evaporated he need look no further than the vanity mirror in the men's room.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 7, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"You're a polarizing figure because you cannot brook disagreement"

What the heck are you talking about?

I'm talking about the U.S. Congress finding a solution to immigration by engaging legislation.

You're doing nothing but attacking ME.

You have NO solution whatsoever, so therefore you SUPPORT the current broken system that allows immigrants to flood our communities with no oversight of either them nor their employers.

Again, your avoidance of any solution just proves me right. You are ignorant. You are delusional. And idiots like you are THE reason we have a democratically-representative Congress in the first place.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Any illegals employed for the several McCain Homes????????

Posted by: lufrank1 | October 7, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's the shorthand version of illegal immigration, per Republicans.

1. Illegals should be deported ASAP.

2. Employers of illegals should be prosecuted.

3. If I have employed an illegal, I should NOT be prosecuted because I did not know.

4. Other employers should be prosecuted because "the law is the law".

5. Repeat.
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Some call that hypocrisy. Some call it a legal defense. At least ALIPAC didn't buy it--they are consistent--you do the crime, you do the time.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 7, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Here is what Mr. Serwer wrote. Read his actual words, instead of paying any attention to the unhinged ranting of this Skippy character.

"f this is accurate, Dobbs deserves to be raked over the coals for it. He's spent the last several years of his career doing his best to dehumanize illegal immigrants, from popularizing the myth that immigrants cause leprosy to mainstreaming the conspiracy theory that Mexicans are seeking to annex the American Southwest through "reconquista."

The problem is that fixating on the personal hypocrisy of border hawks such as Dobbs and California Republican gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman threatens to obscure the larger problem, which is that our current immigration system doesn't remotely recognize the realities of domestic demand for unauthorized immigrant labor. Instead there's a lot of posturing about the border, despite the evidence that increased spending on border security doesn't reduce unauthorized entry, because as long as there are jobs here to get, desperate people will cross an increasingly dangerous border to come to get them. The only thing that seems to have substantially reduced illegal immigration since 1993 is the worst recession since the 1920s, and I think we can all agree that cure is worse than the disease.

Sure, Whitman and Dobbs deserve the public criticism they're getting. The bigger issue remains, as I wrote last week, that "as a country we dehumanize undocumented immigrants even as we demand and depend on their labor. We beckon them with one hand while trying to crush them with the other." No one is more emblematic of this dynamic than wealthy border hawks who hire undocumented immigrants, but they're not the problem -- they're the symptom of a problem, and we shouldn't get so caught up in their personal hypocrisy that we lose what should be a teachable moment about how broken and useless our current immigration system actually is. "

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Everyone see this?

GREAT GREAT GREAT catch by The Upshot...

Sharron Angle anti-immigrant ad:

http://mit.zenfs.com/5/2010/10/Screen-shot-2010-10-07-at-11.48.56-AM.png

David Vitter anti-immigrant ad:

http://mit.zenfs.com/5/2010/10/Screen-shot-2010-10-07-at-11.51.19-AM.png

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues,

Republicans can not have it both ways. Ignorance of the violation must be accepted as an excuse from all employers, or for none. Meg Whitman-Harsh wants to have it only accepted as an excuse for herself, and her Harsh other half. She still insists that all other employers must be held accountable, and no excuse should be accepted, to let them off the hook.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

You're wasting your time trying to out Republican hypocrites. They wear their hypocrisy as a badge of honor and refuse to believe their knee-jerk supporters will even care.

Just move along. Nothing new here.

Posted by: HillRat | October 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I used to catch some of his shows but I stopped because he became too shrill for my taste. Now it turns out that he is just another hypocrite.

So it's true that those who complain the loudest are the guilty ones (I suspect we'll find it applies to the Tea Partiers as well, but after we are screwed)

Posted by: AMviennaVA | October 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

AMviennaVA

Actually many of those Tea Party, protesters who have been complaining about Big Government are drawing Social Security and relying on Medicare for their health-care needs.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 7, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues, employers who KNOWINGLY hires illegal aliens should be prosecuted. It's not a strict liability crime.

Posted by: clawrence12 | October 7, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Axelrod on Letterman last night? Really hit him hard on not closing Gitmo! Too bad that Letterman does know what "Taxed Enough Already" means though.

Posted by: clawrence12 | October 7, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah, can't get past "if this is accurate" It is a clear admission that Serwer doesn't know. That's my point: its a hatchet job.

And yes demand for illegals is part of the problem. but it is not the only problem. Mr Serwer gives us the emotional gambit about desperate people crossing the border. but he falls into the same trap as most liberals. Whence the desperation? Why aren't Canadians, with an even longer border, illegally crossing to seek work in America? could it be (gasp) that Canada is still reasonably prosperous?

As long as America's bleeding hearts and indifferent employers sustain the emotional myth of desperation the government of Mexico has absolutely no reason to reform. NONE.

so if Mr Serwer, or anybody else for that matter, wants to bemoan the plight of the illegals here, he must also acknowledge the millions of Mexicans trapped in their own country who are facing lives of grinding poverty for no apparent reason. The socialist experiment in Mexico is failure. We see the net result of that here in America. time for another Zapata?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 7, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

54465446:

You think that Obama has the "guts" to POCKET-veto?! What's next, ask Iran to be nice again, pretty please? LOL

If he had GUTS, he would veto it out-right and hold a Press Conference denouncing these foreclosures -- not just use it on the campaign trail -- and you know he's not going to do either.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Last year I was put in charge of making a hire. One gentleman applied for a job and presented us a birth certificate and his drivers license which we copied. By law both parties had fulfilled their responsibilities. When I looked at the documents presented to us, I noticed that the date of birth on the birth certificate was 14 February 1920 which would make his 89 years old. In addition, on both the driver's license and birth certificate the gender of the individual was female. Since I was certain that this gentleman was not 89 years old or a female, I quickly told he that he would not get the job. I thought that this was the end of the matter. Boy was I wrong. An immigrant rights group took on fighting for this individual arguing that I was discriminating against an immigrant. Considering the fact that the birth certificate was issued in Maryland I found this was rich. They argued that I could not possibly know that this gentleman was in fact not 89. Implausible, but our legal people told us that this was a potential problem. Fortunately for me, at the end of the day, they could not get around the fact that his documents said he was female and it was a male. This is my one and only experience in hiring and the next time I was approached about a hire I said no.

Posted by: jeffreed | October 7, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised either...that a liberal hack like you would write an article with absolutely NO PROOF. The WP realizes that the teleprompter-reading monkey is a failure and since they won't write about that, they're now making up news. Pathetic!

Posted by: mgrantham2 | October 7, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"teleprompter-reading monkey"

Wait! A racist Lou Dobbs fan?

NO. WAY.

What a shock.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

GWB was called a "chimp", "monkey" and much worse (that wasn't racist, of course ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 7, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Joke, is GWB BLACK?

No.

Is calling a black person a monkey racist?

Gee, I don't know. Why don't you drive into any major city, find the first African-American you can, and call them a monkey.

Why don't you do that, you pathetic pos, and tell me what happens.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 7, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Jake said "and much worse" (some of it no doubt said by African-Americans who hated him being white). Yet, no Republican dismissed out-of-hand all criticism of Bush as being racist.

Posted by: clawrence12 | October 8, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

The feds say over 8 million illegal alien's provided their employers with stolen SSNs and claim to be citizens. Most of these illegal's work in manufacturing, construction or service industries.

If often takes years for the victims of identity theft to realize they have been ruined by these criminals.

We have 15 million unemployed citizens looking for jobs with nearly all of them willing to work in manufacturing, construction or service industries.

Under direction from president Obama, ICE no longer deports any illegal aliens unless they are violent criminals.

Posted by: fury60 | October 8, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be quick to demonize anyone who has found out they have employed an illegal immigrant; papers are forged,
fraud is rampant. I can believe that someone may not realize they have an illegal immigrant working for them.
If you were to check out all legislators, government folk, I bet you would find many who have hired illegal immigrants. Legislators have sat on their hands for years not doing anything about it. Greed is rampant. Those in power have turned their backs on the issue for years, both Republican and Democrat. We desperately need a third party or just eliminate all parties and vote for the best person.
That's my opinion!

Posted by: Dagfinius2 | October 9, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

What tripe! No evidence at all that Dobbs actually hired any illegal immigrants. Not even any clear statement as to who is making the accusations. As for the general ptich that Americans who oppose open borders and illegal immigration are rich and/or hypocrits who hire illegal immigratios: No evidence whatsoever that Americans who oppose open borders and illegal immigration are any richer, on average, than those who support open borders and illegal immigration. Also, no evidence whatsoever that any significant portion of the Americans who oppose open borders and illegal immigration are hypocrits who hire illegal immigrants. In fact, most Americans who oppose open borders and illegal immigrants are ordinary Americans, with average incomes, and do not hire have any hired help of any kind. Further, even among Americans who ordinarily vote Democrat, a significant portion oppose open borders and illegal immigrants, and these voters include most non-Latino Democrat voters, and even a significant minority of Latino Democrat voters. Democrat politicians, along with their mainstream media and academic poohbah syncophants, try everything they can to distract these ordinary Democrat voters from the fact that they are pandering to the open borders, pro immigration crowd. As for Republicans, yes, some belong to the pro-cheap labor business wing of the party, and are all to eager to have more immigrants who will supply more cheap labor but whose health and education needs will be met at the expense of the ordinary American taxpayers. But most oppose open borders and illegal immigration.

Posted by: samfinn | October 10, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

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