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Sharron Angle on Sharia law in America: "That's what I had read"

Sharron Angle has now addressed the national flap over her suggestion that Sharia law might be a threat in certain American cities, and while she seemed to try to disavow the claim, I'm not sure her clarification will clarify all that much.

Angle was asked about her comments during an exchange in the safe confines of conservative radio host Lars Larson's show. She has been attacked by the Mayor of Dearborn, Michigan, one of the cities she discussed during her earlier discourse on Sharia law, and Larson served up Angle a great big meatball, giving her a chance to distance herself from the mess.

You tell me if she took the bait:

LARSON: Hey Sharron, let me ask you about something that it sounds like the City of Dearborn Michigan is going after you because of some things you've said about Sharia law. Why don't you tell people what you really said and tell me what your response is to the Mayor of Dearborn.

ANGLE: Well, what I had been hearing was that there would be quite a ruckus there because of what's going on in Michigan in response to Sharia law and people that think that Sharia law should be in place here in the United States. So of course I didn't intend to offend anyone with my remarks. It's just that people are quite nervous about the idea of having anything but a Constitutional republic here in the United States.

LARSON: Now did you say though that Sharia law was in place in Dearborn right now?

ANGLE: I had read that in one place, that they have started using some Sharia law there. That's what I had read.

Angle did say she didn't mean to offend anyone, but she didn't really say that those who are nervous about the Sharia law threat needn't be nervous at all.

Still, let's give Angle the benefit of the doubt and stipulate that what she meant to say here was that she had read that Sharia law had taken hold in Dearborn but that this turned out to be wrong.

UPDATE, 4:21 p.m.: Audio here.


By Greg Sargent  | October 13, 2010; 4:07 PM ET
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Comments

Well, there's no doubt that SOME people do think that Sharia law should be in place here in the United States.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

This person is psychotic and is in no way qualified to be a U.S. Senator.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which:

"Obama administration appeals gay marriage ruling"

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69B63U20101012

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle is more "qualified" than Al Franken.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Heard It Through The Jakevine!

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Four straight posts on the Chamber and Tea Party


Four swings. Four strikes.


Everyone knows you are out after three strikes.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Ohmigod! Shadowy anonymous donors supporting Dems in Nevada and PA! Where's the outrage?

"The liberal group VoteVets says it's going up with this ad in Nevada in support of Harry Reid, along two ads in Pennsylvania.

"... The group's leadership is made up of veterans, but it makes no claim that its money comes from veterans.

"Indeed, it is, like Crossroads GPS, a non-profit that doesn't have to disclose its donors. Which is to say that Democrats, too, have the infrastructure for this kind of money, even if they're getting buried by it this year."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1010/VoteVets_for_Reid.html?showall

Posted by: sbj3 | October 13, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I am beginning to think that there is something organically wrong with this woman. She seems like she is suffering from some kind of dementia or mental distress-- in her speech, the way she smiles at the strangest times, how she composes sentences (yea, I know Palin is the master-of-sentence-mangling...)

Posted by: LAB2 | October 13, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"It's just that people are quite nervous about the idea of having anything but a Constitutional republic here in the United States."

This nutbag may become a United States Senator?! Have we all lost our minds in this country?

Posted by: wbgonne | October 13, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"Well, there's no doubt that SOME people do think that Sharia law should be in place here in the United States."

Put up or shut up.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 13, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle is more "qualified" than Al Franken.

Posted by: JakeD2
++++++++++++++++

Qualified: "modified, limited, or restricted in some way"

Yep, that's Sharron. Very limited or restricted. How enlightened of Jake to admit it.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Classic777

So why did you drop your SaveTheRainForest name? Too much mildew started growing in your double and triple spaces?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"ANGLE: I had read that in one place, that they have started using some Sharia law there. That's what I had read."

Yeah, right, as if she can read!

I pity this woman. That people are actually paying attention to the things she says... She should be standing on a corner in Reno preaching about how the end is coming and urging everyone to buy asbestos underwear. Instead she is on TV and radio making a fool of herself.

Look, the left has a few loose screws too. Alvin Greene for one. But the left admits these people are nut sacks and dismisses them as such. The right actually defends its crazies, which makes them all look crazy.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 13, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Isn't their debate soon? Harry and Sharry?

Posted by: LAB2 | October 13, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

filmnoia:

Osama bin Laden
Omar Abdul-Rahman
Ayman al-Zawahiri
Barack Hussein Obama
Abu Ayyub al-Masri
Adnan Gulshair el Shukrijumah
Mohammed Ali Hammadi

I am, obviously, not shutting up ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows you are out after three strikes.

Posted by: Classic777
++++++++++++

Are you really an American? You seem utterly ignorant of the rules of baseball. Please review Rule 6.09 of the Official Rules of Baseball.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

This is the same woman who wanted to stop water fluoridation, and who pushed for to hire The Church Of Scientology to give massages to prison inmates.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

bearclaw1:

Young fool! Only now, at the end, do you understand.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Thats what I read". What a fracking idiot. Jeebus, why doesn't anyone ask her about "Frankfort, Texas"?

She shot from the hip and didn't bother to do due diligence and *find out* if there was any evidence.

Now, if this were isolated crazy, we could all probably agree to look past it, but it isn't.

She plainly meant to stoke the hate and fear fires-pure and simple, and anyone who finesses this is full of it.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 13, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I once read that Sharron Angle is a nitwit and a bigot. That's what I had read.

So that's all Sharron thinks it takes to make a claim seem credible -- that she read it.....somewhere.

Gee, when I was a child I also once read that the moon is made from green cheese. Suddenly, I'm wondering where Sharron Angle stands on that little tidbit of information. Seems like she might go either way on that.

Posted by: elscott | October 13, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Classic777:

That only applies when the third strike -- as called by the umpire -- is NOT CAUGHT (i.e. catcher drops it, which is why you see the good ones tag the "runner" if there's any question whatsoever) providing (1) first base is unoccupied, or (2) first base is occupied with two outs.

Rule 6.09(b) Comment: A batter who does not realize his situation on a third strike not caught, and who is not in the process of running to first base, shall be declared out once he leaves the dirt circle surrounding home plate.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

I am on record as saying that while I disagree with you, you are not Hitler. But apparently you are Emperor Palpatine . . .

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't anyone asked Angle about the Christine O'Donnell ad where O'Donnell says she is, "Not a witch?"

Angle says the color black is satanic - Yet in the O'Donnell ad she is wearing black! Gasp!

The other slightly disturbing thing about the O'Donnell ad: O'Donnell is wearing a pearl necklace. Who gave her that pearl necklace? Could it be, Satan? Seeing as how she is "chaste" it couldn't have been her boyfriend.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 13, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Why are we giving her the benefit of the doubt??? This is crazy, we are so afraid of offending someone who is in no way afraid to blatently lie. Please stop the madness and call these people out as loudly as you can.

Posted by: dalyl | October 13, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Just ignore The Joke.

He makes about as much sense as John "1000 Lasers in the Sky" Raese.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Come to the Dark Side, bearclaw1. Join me and, together, we can rule the galaxy as father and son!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Reed needs to put the final stake into this one.

Just put all her outrageous statements with all their half-@ss walk backs together in a 30 sec ad and call it a day.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 13, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

If she believes anything she reads, which apparently she does, she better not ever go to the rest stop on I-5 just south of Portland. If she does she will spend her life in search of, "The man from Nantucket."

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 13, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Why are we giving her the benefit of the doubt??? This is crazy, we are so afraid of offending someone who is in no way afraid to blatently lie. Please stop the madness and call these people out as loudly as you can."

Co-sign

+1

Agreed.

Yes x 1 million.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Never! I'll never turn to the dark side. You've failed, Your Jakeness.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't hear any disavowal. She says she read it but she doesn't say anything about later finding it to be untrue. This woman obviously did not reach first on a passed ball, she had to have been hit in the head with a pitch.

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 13, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Are we to assume that she can't or won't produce the source of this *ahem* literature that she read and used to form her rather striking opinions?

Has anybody asked her WHERE she read that, or to produce a copy of what she read?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 - I think she was going to provide a copy, but she couldn't because she ran out of crayon.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 13, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

When I read "let's give her the benefit of the doubt..." I assumed that Greg was being facetious.

But perhaps I was just projecting my own sarcasm into his prose?

Posted by: elscott | October 13, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010:

Note that I was not the first to bring up "Star Wars" today. Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. You must be bearclaw's ... SISTER?! Obi-Wan was wise to hide you from me. Now, his failure is complete.

I will now complete your training! With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict, and bring order to the galaxy.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"All eyes on showdown between O'Donnell and Coons
By:
CNN Political Unit

Newark, Delaware (CNN) – "I am not a witch."

Those are usually not the first words spoken by a political candidate in their first general election campaign commercial. But this year's battle to fill the Senate seat in Delaware held for nearly four decades by Vice President Joe Biden is anything but usual, which is why Wednesday's night debate between Republican Christine O'Donnell and Democrat Chris Coons, the first showdown between the two candidates, should be 'must see TV' for anyone with even a remote interest in politics."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/13/all-eyes-on-showdown-between-odonnell-and-coons/?hpt=C2

Clear your social calendars for tonight! This just cannot be missed.

Posted by: wiccan | October 13, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Jake -
"I am, obviously, not shutting up ; )"

Each one of your comments is more perverse than the last one. Who cares what this litany of losers on your list think? Name me one person here in the confines of the good old US of A who has said we would be better off under Sharia law?

Posted by: filmnoia | October 13, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

bearclaw1:

So be it ... Jedi! If I can't turn you, I will turn your SISTER!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

LARSON: Now did you say though that Sharia law was in place in Dearborn right now?

ANGLE: I had read that in one place, that they have started using some Sharia law there. That's what I had read.
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Not only that, there are headless torsos lying in the streets of Dearborn.

Brewer/Angle 2012!

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Actually, according to this excerpt from what Greg posted, she said she had been hearing about it:

"ANGLE: Well, what I had been hearing was that there would be quite a ruckus there because of what's going on in Michigan in response to Sharia law and people that think that Sharia law should be in place here in the United States. So of course I didn't intend to offend anyone with my remarks. It's just that people are quite nervous about the idea of having anything but a Constitutional republic here in the United States. "

Here we have her saying that she just had heard about it. Of course she was not asked the logical follow up question: From whom had you been hearing about it, and what exactly did they tell you?


Imagine this crazy woman as a sitting US Senator, proposing legislation on the basis of some rumors she might have heard, or imagined that she heard. Between her and Christine O'Donnell, every day would be Halloween in America.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

C'mon people, is the bar really set so low for our legislators that ms angle is even considered a viable candidate. Good lord, what's happened to this country??

Posted by: JilliB | October 13, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

wiccan:

Do YOU think that Christine O'Donnell is a witch?

filmnoia:

Who are you calling a LOSER?!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Marriage is defined as a Church-Approved Union between a man and a woman - Is this a Christan Sharia Law?

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

JilliB:

Not only "viable" (70,452 voted for her in the GOP primary) but the latest polling has her in a statistical TIE with Harry Reid! What does that say about him?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/nv/nevada_senate_angle_vs_reid-1517.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Some LOL hilarious commentary on John "1000 Lasers in the Sky" Raese over at TPM. Worth a laugh:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/one-gopers-proposal-to-save-the-world-1000-lasers.php

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

kishorgala,

I'm not sure that there is any state that only recognizes a marriage before ordained clergy. In every state of which I am aware, marriage can also be "solemnized" by a civil authority such as a judge. Is that not the case?

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

~400,000 registered Republicans in Nevada. ~18% voted for Angle, 82% did not.

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

She sounds just like Fox "news."

"people think" shariah law could be imposed.

That way she can just make things up or listen to the voices in her head and duck any need for producing actual information.

"Some say" Angle is crazy. "People are talking about" the fact that she doesn't know what she's talking about.

Is Angle a psycho who has no business being in elected office?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.

Posted by: Mikeystyle | October 13, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

At least I can throw a baseball.

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Mayor O'Reilly of Dearborn Michigan has reiterated his offer to Sharron Angle to come visit Dearborn. She has not responded to his invitation.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

bearclaw1,

The question is not of legality. If some people believe that a marriage should be blessed by the Church and must be between a man and a woman (of opposite sex) - those people are following the Christian Sharia.

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Good lord, what's happened to this country??

Posted by: JilliB | October 13, 2010 5:04 PM
==========================

A thirty year old project funded by right-wing plutocrats dedicated to repealing the 20th century is finally bearing fruit.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 13, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't know much about Dearborn, MI. But it would appear to me that Dearborn is a non-white majority. And perhaps a non-Christian majority.

I wonder if Angle read this somewhere. Public restroom writings qualify as knowledge sources.

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

kishorgala:

Obama is "following" the Christian Sharia too then. And, as I am sure you are aware, there is never 100% of registered voters who actually cast ballots (except Cook County, IL with an astonishing 110% turnout ; )

Liam-still:

Hopefully you and the Mayor can understand that she's a little bit busy right now to travel to Dearborn.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have anything relevant to say on the economy?


Obama's economic policies and the health care plan is STILL a DRAG on the economy

No amount of negative attacks on the Tea Party will change the desire of voters to send a message to Obama about his ignoring of the economy and the false charges of racism from the democrats

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Classic777:

Have you seen Crist or Obama throw a baseball?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

A thirty year old project funded by right-wing plutocrats dedicated to repealing the 20th century is finally bearing fruit.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 13, 2010 5:31 PM
====================================
I hope a snake bites the fruit!

While we were focused on the Muslim Madrasas growing the fanatic crop, we totally ignored what was going on under our own noses!

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

This Angle woman is thick as a brick. Sharia law is a set of religious laws that are applied in a Theocracy, and that makes it unconstitutional every where in the USA.

Image this ignoramus of a woman, being one of the 100 lawmakers in "the world's greatest deliberative body"?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have anything relevant to say on the economy?


Obama's economic policies and the health care plan is STILL a DRAG on the economy

No amount of negative attacks on the Tea Party will change the desire of voters to send a message to Obama about his ignoring of the economy and the false charges of racism from the democrats

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Reid is toast. Not much more to be said.

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 13, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Why did you change your name, STRF?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

wbgone said: "This nutbag may become a United States Senator?! Have we all lost our minds in this country?"

What should be done about it then?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 13, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Angle is crumbs. Not much more to be said.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2 - I am going to violate my own resolution to never feed the trolls and to never respond to the flamers on these blogs, but I will make an exception in your case.

As regards to your assertion that some people want to impose Sharia law in the US, have you evidence that supports that anyone anywhere in the US that someone has seriously proposed it to replace either our civil OR criminal codes?

Furthermore, Sharia law is much more of a code of conduct for how people should treat each other in society, similar to the Christian values of the ten commandments and the golden rule. The extremists on the right want to imply this as yet another threat from the great 'evil dark force' of Islam in order to keep people scared.

I find it disgusting when politicians stoke unrealistic and nonexistent threats for cynical political gain.

Posted by: reussere | October 13, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

If she's not bright enough to know that even if she did read that Sharia law was being adopted somewhere in the US that that there had to be something wrong with what she was reading because such a thing would be categorically impossible under our Constitution, then she's unfit to run for dogcatcher, let alone the U.S. Senate.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 13, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

At least I can throw a baseball.

Posted by: Classic777
+++++++++++++

Brilliant riposte. I am in awe of your wit. Shakespeare would envy your luminescent prose. Bravo!!! >>

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

wbgone said: "This nutbag may become a United States Senator?! Have we all lost our minds in this country?"

What should be done about it then?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 13, 2010 5:43 PM
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A simple test of pointing to a place on the globe would do.

For Angle, it would be showing where Dearborn is. If she can, she is qualified as one of top 101 fate makers (That is 100 Senators and one God).

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

wbgone said: "This nutbag may become a United States Senator?! Have we all lost our minds in this country?"

What should be done about it then?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 13, 2010 5:43 PM
========================================
A simple test of pointing to a place on the globe would do.

For Angle, it would be showing where Dearborn is. If she can, she is qualified as one of top 101 fate makers (That is 100 Senators and one God).

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

kishorgala,

I'm not sure that there is any state that only recognizes a marriage before ordained clergy. In every state of which I am aware, marriage can also be "solemnized" by a civil authority such as a judge. Is that not the case?

Posted by: bearclaw1
_________________________
not only that, but the state only recognizes marriages solemnized by clergy because the state gives them licenses to perform civil marriages.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 13, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

reussere

Here your your evidence. I favor a law. If Obama lies or tries to deceive the American Public, his tongue should be cut out

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Well, what I had been hearing was that there would be quite a ruckus there because of what's going on in Michigan in response to Sharia law and people that think that Sharia law should be in place here in the United States.
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Huh? Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok--I challenge anyone here to parse this sentence [!] to make any sense.

Does this style of speaking -- rambling, say-nothing, avoidance of all relevant punctuation -- remind you of anyone else?

The interviewer throws her a softball, then leads her right up to the right answer, and she responds "oh, I read it somewhere...".

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a dope.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 13, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Where the hell did the Right Wingers recruit this years batch of Paranoid Crack Pots that they have nominated in races across the country?

The big chief must have tossed the water cooler through the window, and the Tea Party recruited all those that managed to escaped from the Cuckoo's nest.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

reussere:

Thank you for making such a gracious exception to your own resolution -- the answer to your question is "yes" -- now, if I may ask you a question in return: do you think that there are ZERO followers (of the people I listed at 4:34 PM) here in the United States?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

reussere

Here your your evidence. I favor a law. If Obama lies or tries to deceive the American Public, his tongue should be cut out

Posted by: Classic777 | October 13, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

* Is Cell Phone Bias Skewing Polls? *

A new Pew Research study finds that not only can landline-only surveys exaggerate the Republican enthusiasm because cell-only users tend to vote more Democratic, but they also may be even more biased than in 2008.

In three of four congressional election polls conducted since spring, estimates from landline-only samples had slightly more Republican support and slightly less Democratic support. One of the polls showed no difference. In the most recent congressional poll, Republicans led Democrats 46% to 45%, among landline-only users who were registered to vote. But when cell-only registered voters were included, Democrats took the lead, 47% to 44%. Among likely voters, Republicans held a 12 point lead among those with landlines only, 53% to 41% but the lead shrinks to seven points, 50% to 43%, when cell-only voters are added.

Jon Cohen: 'While Pew's update to their long-running research on cellphones and surveys isn't a broad rebuke to pollsters who don't interview on cellphones, it raises fresh doubts about the precision of the reams of polling data fueling estimates of what may happen on Nov. 2."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/10/13/is_cell_phone_bias_skewing_polls.html

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2010/10/pew_cellphone_bias_may_be_bigg.html

GREG,

This would be a great topic to cover tomorrow, dontcha think?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Well there certainly are a lot of Zero followers of Quitter Palin, so anything is possible.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

That is soon-to-be SENATOR Paranoid Crack Pot to you (now you know what we thought when Al Franken was elected ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Why did you change your name, STRF?
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Let me take a guess here. Two reasons:

1. To hide from the moderator in case the moderator is keeping track of STRF offenses.

2. To lure the unsuspecting into responding to his posts. As STRF, he is almost completely ignored.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 13, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This would be a great topic to cover tomorrow, dontcha think?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 5:56 PM

....................


Yes it would. The elderly tend to still use landlines only. I always wait until there is just a week to go to election day, before I pay any attention to the polls. Midterm races, are all different, from district to district, so national polls are worthless. The local campaign offices will still have the best readings on how their candidates are doing, in the closing days. All the rest is just a lot of fantasy national polling to give the national talking heads something to prattle about.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

This nutbag may become a United States Senator?! Have we all lost our minds in this country?
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No, just the Republican Teabagging Party of No and the Independents who are listening to them.

Posted by: denise4925 | October 13, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

There is a Coons/O'Donnell debate tonight? You must be kidding!

This is entertainment tonight.

The latest poll on this race:

SurveyUSA / University of Delaware
10/11-12/10; 2355 likely voters, 2.1% margin of error

Coons +21 points (that's right--21 points)

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 13, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Let me take a guess here. Two reasons:

1. To hide from the moderator in case the moderator is keeping track of STRF offenses.

2. To lure the unsuspecting into responding to his posts. As STRF, he is almost completely ignored.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 13, 2010 5:59 PM
...............

I surmised that it might be something like that. He dropped some hints that he had received a warning letter. Perhaps he may have had two strikes on him, so he decided to try and avoid the third strike by changing his identity.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps he may have had two strikes on him, so he decided to try and avoid the third strike by changing his identity.
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Bingo. It is important to keep posting the latest alias being used by STRF, so the moderator keeps track. I speak from personal experience. This guy will change identities three times a day in order to avoid any discipline.

Wait until he starts begging. It's pathetic.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 13, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Good read.

* Illinois Democrat: Mark Kirk's 'Voter Integrity' Effort Is 'Karl Rove Politics' *

"That sort of Florida-style voter intimidation is disgusting, illegal, and smacks of the Karl Rove politics that Illinois voters are sick of," Giannoulias said.

[...]

"It does seem to be an institutional strategy to be doing this type of work, and certainly we believe these are code words they have been using, like 'voter integrity.' Earmarking minority and low-income sites to do it in, there's no excuse for what they're trying to do," Dorf said.

He said the Giannoulias campaign asked state officials to provide additional personnel on election day to protect voters.

"We also are writing similar letters to other states attorneys, to the three U.S. Attorneys for the northern, central and southern districts of Illinois, to Lisa Madigan, the state attorney general, as well as to the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division," Dorf said. "So we're putting the word out, we're putting everyone on notice that this is going on."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/illinois_democrat_mark_kirks_voter_integrity_effor.php

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Good for Chris Coons that he is willing to debate Christine O'Donnell. It always bothers me when the frontrunner in a political campaign refuses to debate the opponent(s). Forget the formulaic attack ads -- I want to see candidates debate, and I want to see them take questions from the public.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

As we ALL know now, you can still play after three strikes ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Why are we giving her the benefit of the doubt??? This is crazy, we are so afraid of offending someone who is in no way afraid to blatently lie. Please stop the madness and call these people out as loudly as you can.

Posted by: dalyl | October 13, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse
***********************************************

Co-sign a trillion times.

Has anybody asked her WHERE she read that, or to produce a copy of what she read?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 13, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse
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Ethan, she will run away from any press badge that doesn't have the big "C" for conservative or the big "F" for "Fox" or any other word that begins with "F". So, who would ask her?

Posted by: denise4925 | October 13, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

here is a Coons/O'Donnell debate tonight? You must be kidding!

This is entertainment tonight.

The latest poll on this race:

SurveyUSA / University of Delaware
10/11-12/10; 2355 likely voters, 2.1% margin of error

Coons +21 points (that's right--21 points)

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 13, 2010 6:09 PM

.....................

As a veteran political campaign activist, for more than forty years; I never feel comfortable about debates like this one.

It is all about the expectations game, and O'Donnell has no where to go, but up, and Coons will have no where to go but down.

Do not overlook the fact that O'Donnell has a lot of TV appearances under her belt, so she will not be at all nervous.

Beware of the expectations game.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

As a veteran political campaign activist, for more than forty years; I never feel comfortable about debates like this one.

It is all about the expectations game, and O'Donnell has no where to go, but up, and Coons will have no where to go but down.
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Agreed. It is dangerous for Coons. I wonder why he is doing it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 13, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

As we ALL know now, you can still play after three strikes ; )

Posted by: JakeD2
++++++

That's right. Baseball is a great sport -- no clock, no coin flips, and at least one exception for nearly every rule.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Angle is a David St. Hubbins fan;

"I believe virtually everything I read, and I think that is what makes me more of a selective human than someone who doesn't believe anything. "

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 13, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ethan2010* Is Cell Phone Bias Skewing Polls? *

A new Pew Research study finds that not only can landline-only surveys exaggerate the Republican enthusiasm because cell-only users tend to vote more Democratic"

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Better rely on Rasmussen polling then. They predicted, to the EXACT % point, what Obama would win by.

Posted by: illogicbuster | October 13, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. It is dangerous for Coons. I wonder why he is doing it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 13, 2010 6:20 PM |

.......................

His campaign probably felt that they could not give her a weapon to attack them with, so they had to debate her.

I hope he has studied how Biden handled the Palin debate. She was another one with low expectations, but who had been an on-air TV nightly sports reporter.

Biden came out of that fine, so I hope Coons sought out Joe's council. and is not assuming that this will be a cake walk. Look at how the expectations game trapped Gore, when Bush came in to the first debate with very low expectations having been established by the national media.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/happy_hour_roundup_108.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 13, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. It is dangerous for Coons. I wonder why he is doing it.

Posted by: 12BarBlues
++++++++++++++

Maybe Coons has the integrity to trust the voters to hear the views of the candidates, as opposed to 30-second attack ads. I won't vote for a candidate who refuses to debate. I may not vote for the opponent, but why should I cast my vote for a candidate so chicken-hearted that he or she won't debate the opponent? How can I expect that person to suddenly develop courage and take political risks once they get in office?

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 13, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, some Democrats were racist 100 years ago, so that balances out Sharon Angle, right?

You'll have to say one thing about Angle. She's embraced her party's racist platform with open arms. Good for her.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 13, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

LARSON: Now did you say though that Sharia law was in place in Dearborn right now?

ANGLE: I had read that in one place, that they have started using some Sharia law there. That's what I had read.
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Oh, yes!

Still another "Open Mouth, Present Shoe" moment! What can you do when you are hooked on shoe-in-the-mouth?

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Giving any GOP or Tea Party (is there really a difference?) candidate, or even FOX News for that matter, the "benefit of the doubt" on stuff like this plays right into their hands. They have become masters of pronouncing lies in big, bold type, only to retract later in 4-point that nobody really sees or hears. Meanwhile, the damage they sought to inflict, or benefit they sought to gain, has already been done.

Posted by: markpkessinger | October 13, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

kishorgala:

Can we agree that Obama is "following" Christian Sharia law too? You are aware that he is APPEALING the gay marriage decision, right?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

markpkessinger:

You mean kinda like what journ-O-lister, Jeff Tobin, did to Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin?

http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/press-release/press-release-cnn-offers-retraction-for-racist-statement.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2,

I agree Obama is following a Christian Sharia. And ther is nothing wrondg in following Sharia, whichever religions it may be.

Sharias define the ethical and moral conduct acceptable in a society. The societal codes are part of one's upbringing, and if properly instilled, these would decrease a need for the legal codes.

But, Angle appears to be against having a code of conduct (Sharia). Strange for a Conservative.

Here is a simple interpretation of what she perceives: Sharia is A-Reb or Muslim word. Therefore it is all bad.

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who are praying for Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin and his brave challenge to Obama's eligibility:

The new trial date was just set today for December 14, 2010.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Maybe she thought it is a woman's law, you know, Sharia's law. And she only wants Sharron's law?

Posted by: LAB2 | October 13, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

kishorgala:

Are you in the United States?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Jake, shoulda known you were a birther. Lt. Col. Lakin is a traitor to this country and should be tried as such.

Posted by: LAB2 | October 13, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

reussere:

Are you still around?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"This nutbag may become a United States Senator?! Have we all lost our minds in this country?"

One word: MurrayBoxerFrankenMcCaskillSandersBiden . . . .

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 13, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

reussere:

Are you still around?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

LAB2:

He is not on trial for treason.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2,

Yup! In the Good 'Ole US of A.

Guess what, one can be Liberal towards others but be personally Conservative. In quite contrast to the the nosy WingNuts here who want to impose Conservatism on others but are quite Liberal with their own ways.

Did I say Hypocrites?

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama should be the one on trial for treason (or, at the very least, impeached and removed from office).

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2,

Got to go. You'll have to deal with this single-handedly. And I wouldn't impose Sharia on you if you use both hands.

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I sure she did "read" it someplace. That doesn't mean it's true or should be repeated by someone with aspirations to be a leader. She should look for more balanced sources of information than the Right-Wing (i.e. the true "lamestream") press.

Posted by: pjwylie1 | October 13, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

kishorgala:

I do not know if you said "Hypocrites" but you did indeed type that word at least at 7:11 PM. Thanks also for admitting that you are in the US of A (which I will assume unless you correct me is the country located primarily in central North America, with forty-eight contiguous states and Washington, D.C., the capital district -- 38°53′N 77°01′W -- between the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans, bordered by Canada to the north and Mexico to the south : )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2,

Ah, Caught you just in time.

I did say "Hypocrite" in addititon to typing it. You perhaps did not hear me. But I do have winesses to attest that I did say it.

As for the Country you specify by longitude-latitude, I assume you are referring to the country known as the US of A. I am myself a Northing-Easting guy, the NAD 1983 standard, so wouldn't know. Correct me if you had some other US of A in mind. I wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: kishorgala | October 13, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Look at how the expectations game trapped Gore, when Bush came in to the first debate with very low expectations having been established by the national media.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 13, 2010 6:27 PM
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I remember it well. Bush really cleaned his clock.

Posted by: Brigade | October 13, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

See Arab Festival 2009: Sharia in the U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g

Posted by: BeeSing | October 13, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

And why should we give Sharron Angle the benefit of the doubt? It seems pretty obvious that she lives in an alternate reality, and is completely unfit for national office.

Posted by: apn3206 | October 13, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Where Sharron Angle thinks America should be headed:

(1) Americans should pay physicians with chickens.

(2) The Dept of Education should be abolished.

(3) The Dept of Energy should be abolished.

(4) America should be afraid of religions.

(5) The Federal Government should reduce employee benefits for all new employees while the Angle family collects a fat federal benefits package.

Sharron Angle = Crackpot

2012 = No House or Senate majority for GOP.

Posted by: free-donny | October 13, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Brigade:

I thought that O'Donnell won this debate too (some of the student questions were annoying though). Were you able to catch any of it?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, sjb3. The Chamber of Commerce is a 501(c)(6) organization, and is not requiredto report its donors. VoteVets is a 501(c)(3) organization (a charitable organization) and IS required to list all of its sources of funding at least annually in its report to the IRS. Unions are 501(c)(5) organizations, and while the IRS does not require them to disclose donors, the Labor Relations Management Act does require them to disclose all donors of $5,000 or more, and it is listed on the Dept. of Labor's web site. According to PolitiFact (which produces plenty of cites for its information): "So disclosure requirements for unions are different than "Super PACs" such as Crossroads GPS or trade associations like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (which essentially have none)." And while the Chamber of Commerce says it sequesters donations from its non-US members so that such monies are not used in US political advertising, it will not provide any information as to how such funds are "sequestered", nor whether such funds are used to offset operating expenses so that monies from US donors which might otherwise have gone to operating or event expenses can be used for political advertising. And legally, the CoC is not required to make public any of that information - unlike VoteVets or unions.

Posted by: vklip | October 13, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

See you all tomorrow!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 13, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"Why are we giving her the benefit of the doubt??? This is crazy, we are so afraid of offending someone who is in no way afraid to blatently lie. Please stop the madness and call these people out as loudly as you can."

IF THE MEDIA DID ITS JOB, THEY WOULD'VE ASKED THEMSELVES THIS MONTHS AGO!

Posted by: fbutler1 | October 13, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

This sure is one stupid, dishonest candidate. Just what the extremist teabaggers aspire to.

Posted by: vztownes | October 13, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Good lord, what's happened to this country??

Posted by: JilliB | October 13, 2010 5:04 PM
==========================

A thirty year old project funded by right-wing plutocrats dedicated to repealing the 20th century is finally bearing fruit.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 13, 2010 5:31 PM
============================================

Its a Forty Year Old Project, actually. Almost Five Decades Old, if you take into account its inception decade. The Genius behind it left America behind and is now a famous scholar at a well known university in Israel. I am not sure he's even aware of the perverse fruit his life's work is now bearing back home in the good ol' US of A. lol.

Posted by: darkasnight1234 | October 13, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe she saw this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPod-hxD7g

Posted by: cleancut77 | October 13, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic, embarrassing, and absolutely typical of the GOP.

Posted by: Bridge3263 | October 13, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

This is not as far-fetched as some of the Obama apologists posting here might have us believe. Harold Koh, former Dean of Yale Law School, was nominated by Obama to be the chief lawyer for the State Department. (He served at State under the Clinton administration) He was quoted by the New York Daily News in March as saying he favored a "transnational" approach to law which would not rule out applying shariah law in some cases in the United States. I simply disagree that there is any place for the application of shariah law in the U.S., but it is a sad fact that MANY large U.S. banks already have people on their payrolls who specialize in shariah-compliant banking practices.

Posted by: SavingGrace | October 13, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I read it somewhere?? What a crock! I read it somewhere that if I played with myself I'd grow hair on my knuckles and go blind, but after a couple score years my knuckles are still bald and I can read this shi- (I mean) stuff that Angle says- without glasses.

So what is your source Angle? O'Donnell?

Posted by: glenglish | October 14, 2010 1:37 AM | Report abuse

@JakeD2: "Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. You must be bearclaw's ... SISTER?! Obi-Wan was wise to hide you from me. Now, his failure is complete."

Hah! Jedi remains my favorite Star Wars film, Ewoks at all, mostly because the final duel between Darth and Luke. Love that scene. Love how Luke goes light-saber wielding nuts when Darth talks about his sister. Great film.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 14, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

.....secretly, Ms Angle is in favor of Sharia law,,,,even her first name begins with "Shar....." To an intellectual like her, that must make perfect sense~

Posted by: wp121606 | October 14, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I guess she did read it because Newt Gingrich has said it and his irresponsible comments got reported as news not only by Fox but other media outlets that report every piece of unsubstantiated stuff that Gingrich, Palin, and others put out there. Until the press starts doing its job and asking people hard questions and looking into the truth of their assertions, this is what we are going to get. Uninformed candidates mouthing what other uninformed candidates said on TV.

Posted by: fmjk | October 14, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Someone who unquestionably believes everything they read might propose attacking a nation based on false claims. We can't have a US senator who behaves like that, can we?

Posted by: Kayakbiker | October 14, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

JakeD2,

Here's mine:

Joseph McCarthy
Adolph HItler
JakeD2
Generallisimo Francisco Franco
Benito Mussolini
JakeD2
Charles Manson
Osama bin Laden
JakeD2
Hugo Chavez

Posted by: swatkins1 | October 14, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I find this level of shocking ignorance to be pretty typical among Republican voters. I doubt this comment has any impact on the race, because her supporters already buy the premise.

Posted by: jeffwacker | October 14, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The silver lining of an Angle win is six years of hilarity.

Posted by: Observer691 | October 14, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Brass monkey ... that funky monkey

Posted by: pejochum | October 14, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

This is not as far-fetched as some of the Obama apologists posting here might have us believe. Harold Koh, former Dean of Yale Law School, was nominated by Obama to be the chief lawyer for the State Department. (He served at State under the Clinton administration) He was quoted by the New York Daily News in March as saying he favored a "transnational" approach to law which would not rule out applying shariah law in some cases in the United States. I simply disagree that there is any place for the application of shariah law in the U.S., but it is a sad fact that MANY large U.S. banks already have people on their payrolls who specialize in shariah-compliant banking practices.

Posted by: SavingGrace
_______________________
why sad? that's no different than a restaurant offering Kosher food, or any business with signs in Spanish. It's not mandated by any law, but, in good old free enterprise fashion, is done to attract business. conservatives should be for it.

Posted by: JoeT1 | October 14, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

It was stupid of her to say that sharia law "has taken hold" in cities without checking into it first but that is the end of this story. Poor judgement and the wording was left very open ended.. what does it mean to have law "take hold". Thats it.

As for the issue she was addressing; sharia law's foothold in america. It is a legitimate concern for many americans. Europe is already dealing with this and its something I would like to know more about.

But all the ranting hatred for this lady on here is so over the top, the rational person realizes there are more reasons posters hate her so much. Most noteably she is of the opposite polotical party with different views threatening their incumbent. But having a negative view of Sharia law is not something you should be attacked for. I would expect most civil rights supporting americans do not view it as morally acceptable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319804/Afghan-girl-Bibi-Aisha-nose-ears-hacked-Taliban-rule-gets-new-face.html?ITO=1490

Treat your daughters and wives this way?


Posted by: midway22 | October 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

It was stupid of her to say that sharia law "has taken hold" in cities without checking into it first but that is the end of this story. Poor judgement and the wording was left very open ended.. what does it mean to have law "take hold". Thats it.

As for the issue she was addressing; sharia law's foothold in america. It is a legitimate concern for many americans. Europe is already dealing with this and its something I would like to know more about.

But all the ranting hatred for this lady on here is so over the top, the rational person realizes there are more reasons posters hate her so much. Most noteably she is of the opposite polotical party with different views threatening their incumbent. But having a negative view of Sharia law is not something you should be attacked for. I would expect most civil rights supporting americans do not view it as morally acceptable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319804/Afghan-girl-Bibi-Aisha-nose-ears-hacked-Taliban-rule-gets-new-face.html?ITO=1490

Treat your daughters and wives this way?


Posted by: midway22 | October 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

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