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Sharron Angle's 'Willie Horton' ad

Adam Serwer is a staff writer for The American Prospect, where he writes his own blog.

Between her thinly veiled endorsements of violence, her railing against government spending while receiving government health care, and her recently revealed attempts to force third-party candidate Scott Ashjian out of the race, Sharron Angle's extremism has turned her race against Harry Reid from an easy romp for Republicans to a winnable race for Democrats. Her campaign's latest ad, attacking Reid for his support of the DREAM Act, which Greg mentioned earlier in his roundup, is as despicable as it is desperate. In its naked appeal to racial animus against Latinos, it rivals the infamous 1988 "Willie Horton" ad deployed against Michael Dukakis.

The ad features a trio of "illegal immigrants" looking for a way to cross a chain link fence, as the word "illegal" flashes across the screen in bright red letters. After making previously debunked claims accusing Reid of pushing for "tax breaks" for "illegals," it goes after Reid's support of the DREAM Act, which would offer a path to citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States before the age of 16 and who go to college or serve in the military. The ad says Reid wants to give "preferred college tuition rates to none other than illegal aliens," presumably referring to the fact that it would allow undocumented residents in a given state to qualify for in-state tuition. 

Note that, despite the fact that the DREAM Act would specifically apply to undocumented immigrants who had no choice in being here and are diligent, patriotic and Americanized enough to attend college or commit to sacrificing their lives for their adopted country, Angle's campaign makes them out as smug, intimidating Latino migrants who came here deliberately in order to take advantage.

illegal aliens.jpg


As Andrea Nill points out, this image is exactly the same one used in a similar ad from Louisiana Senator David Vitter. 

Contrast that picture with the happy, smiling, college students in the ad, who, as Eric Kleefield noted, all appear to be white:

white college students.jpg

The ad's message is pretty straightforward: Reid wants to take the opportunity for a college education away from white Nevadans, who deserve it, and give it to a bunch of Latino illegal immigrant criminals. Given the current political climate, with most Americans supporting restrictive immigration laws targeted at Latinos like Arizona's SB 1070, it's probably to Reid's advantage to keep focusing on Angle's extremism rather than attacking her for flagrant race-baiting. But that doesn't make it any less reprehensible.

The Migration Policy Institute estimates that around 825,000 people would be eligible for the DREAM Act's provisions. It seems rather obvious that however one feels about amnesty, children should not be held responsible for their parents' mistakes.

By Adam Serwer  | October 6, 2010; 1:08 PM ET
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Comments

This is a disgusting and shortsighted politics. This kind of blatant racism will only work in the short term. This is a long-term losing politics.

Posted by: michiganmaine | October 6, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Greg

You brought up CAMPAIGN FINANCE this morning - and yesterday.

At one point you allude to the idea that both parties should agree to limitations - I agree with that. I also support the idea that legislation in so many areas has been biased in favor of special interests - and it is extremely important for the public interest to remove that bias by getting campaign finance rules in place - a radical approach.


Without starting a discussion immediately about the various ideas out there - it should be recognized that an EVEN-HANDED approach is necessary.


Too many times over the last few decades, one side or the other has seen an advantage in opening up one loophole or the other - that is NOT the proper motivation in this field - because one advantage or the other leads almost immediately to the other side seeking an advantage.


PLEASE research the numbers a bit - take a look at Obama's 2008 campaign. The ONE part of the Campaign Finance system that was working was the Presidential fund - with each side agreeing to limitations for decades.

Obama pulled OUT of that system after saying he would commit himself to those limitations.

This caught McCain off-guard - who could have been raising unlimited money since the previous winter -


THE NUMBERS - Obama went from a limitation around $100 Million to $700 MILLION


There were many, many questions surrounding the credit card contributions going into Obama - there was software available to make sure FOREIGN CONTRIBUTIONS were not taken in - however there were allegations that these software controls were turned OFF.

There were also concerns about the credit cards matching up multiple donations for the Overall Individual Contribution Limits.


MY POINT - if Obama was off spending $700 Million in 2008, expect the Republicans to try to match that level of spending next time.

At this point, it appears that the Republicans are no where near that level of contributions - however the bar has been set high.


Obama is the one who left the Campaign Finance System - and took a ridiculous money advantage.

From Oct 1 to Oct 15, Obama spent $105 Million - this allowed Obama to pick up extra seats in Congress and in the Senate as well - as extra ads were placed in key areas.


The liberals think they got a massive mandate - in reality all they did was raise more money for ads - if the Republicans had even-money, these majorities would not be CLOSE to where they are now, and Obama would have never had 60 votes in the Senate.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 6, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I can just imagine the likes of La Raza crafting sternly worded press releases as we speak and can see this ad running ad naseum on the cables for the next two news cycles.

If anything can spark the Latino turnout in Nevada, this is it. If anything can get grumbling Dems to turn out for Harry Reid, this is it.

Thanks Sharon.

Posted by: bmcchgo | October 6, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Aside from being a disgusting ad that appeals to all the worst aspects of America's racist underbelly, it's also incredibly stupid. The ad is geared towards those who are already going to vote for her. Nevada has a hefty Latino electorate who will see this and get pissed off - pissed off enough to go and vote in November.The GOP is alienating so many Latinos that 7 Western states will be solidly Blue for the coming decades.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 6, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I think Reid should just rerun her entire ad in predominantly Latino neighborhoods over and over to help with GOTV efforts.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 6, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Angle's lack of subtlety is only eclipsed by her lack of sanity.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 6, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Voters in most states have already made up their minds on who to vote for, so political ads of all flavors at this point are probably only good for the bottom line of the TV stations running them. Up to this point, most candidates have debated, newsprint and TV have discussed candidates and their positions, and political ads and the internet have run their course on the candidates. Anyone who is undecided at this point has been living under a rock.

Posted by: dozas | October 6, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "Sharron Angle's extremism has turned her race against Harry Reid from an easy romp for Republicans to a winnable race for Democrats."

I call BS! Complete and total baloney. The ASngle/Reid race was NEVER anm easy GOP romp. Ridiculous.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 6, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this is the first I've seen of this. It's really reprehensible. I'm really shocked she go to this level. She must be feeling rather threatened to stoop this low.

Posted by: Alex3 | October 6, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone who is undecided at this point has been living under a rock."

Probably so. That still doesn't take into account those Latinos that perhaps weren't planning to go to the polls. This will provide motivation to the "casual" voter.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 6, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The ad's message is pretty straightforward: Reid wants to take the opportunity for a college education away from white Nevadans, who deserve it, and give it to a bunch of Latino illegal immigrant criminals.
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Lol liberals like you are so sad and pathetic. Racism racism racism.

You want to bend over and take it from illegals or contribute all your earnings to it go ahead.

Don't think that extorting all my money via the federal government for your naive cause is fair.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we could limit 37th to a half page of text at a time? Keeping remotely on topic is a lost cause at this point.

On topic. I think that the DREAM act would have had a much better chance had it been tied exclusively to service. Military, for example, but not exclusively. Going to college is great, but it doesn't necessarily involve self-sacrifice. Community service, CCC, whatever. Spend 2 (or 4) years of your life giving back and then get a shot at permanent residency.

All that being said, naked racism is ugly. Time for Harry to shame her.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 6, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

These tea-party candidates are something to behold.

Posted by: rlj1 | October 6, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The liberals can't have Obama spend $700 million in one election cycle - and then complain that the other side has organized an extra $100 Million in the next election cycle.

I just want to point out the scale here.

I don't know what the totals will be with these extra "outside groups" - however it must be pointed out that Obama came out - pulled out of the campaign finance system and put together a $600 Million advantage for himself - and the Congressional Democrats.


Imagine how MANY more tv commercials that added up to -

And those commercials reached into congressional districts and Senate seats. - THAT is why everyone is wondering why the far left has all these extra votes in Congress -

There was no mandate, just extra tv commercials.


To come back and start to complain about the Republicans having extra money this time - and much LESS extra money at that -


And take a look at the allegations from 1996 - there were allegations of Chinese and Indonesian money coming into the democratic party even then.

I'm just saying - let's be EVEN HANDED here - let's take an honest look at what BOTH parties have been doing in the recent past.

One thing about campaign finance- once a loophole opens up, it is usually open for good. The McCain Feingold law did some things - but not all.

But once a practice starts - both sides adopt it extremely quickly and the floodgates open.

To go out and cry foul in this atmosphere, when Bill Clinton and Obama have the records they do - is a little out-there.


I'm sure you didn't realize that Obama spent $700 Million in 2008 - and the Republicans are from reaching that level.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 6, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"I think that the DREAM act would have had a much better chance had it been tied exclusively to service."

Reid never intended for it to pass (by bringing it up the way he did). He wanted to be able to use it to paint the GOP as racists and drum up latino support. Not really working out for him...

Posted by: sbj3 | October 6, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

In other words, no.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 6, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3:

A eleven point advantage isn't enough for you to call it an easy romp for the GOP? That's the advantage that Rasmussen gave to Sharon Angle back on June 9.

www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2010_senate_elections/nevada/toplines/toplines_2010_nevada_senate_june_9_2010

I'll admit that the eleven point result is a bit of an outlier, and that Rasmussen always skews Republican. Nonetheless, even the poll averages show that Angle enjoyed a commanding lead over Reid for the first half of this year.

polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/2010-nv-sen/Angle-Reid#page=1

"Easy romp" seems a pretty fair characterization of how the race looked back then.

Posted by: QuiteAlarmed | October 6, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that hispanics are so one-minded about illegal immigration.


It is a little like people who move out to the country - they like the rural nature of the area - and many start saying that they want to shut the door behind them -

Usually those most against development in rural areas are those who have recently moved in.


Many hispanics are this way too - they see the economy here, they see the jobs - and they know their job prospects are better with LESS illegal immigration.

To say that hispanics as a whole want unlimited immigration is just wrong.


ALSO - it may be shorthand to equate immigration with hispanics - but there are HUNDRED ethnic groups which have illegal immigrants.


IN California, there are Asian illegal immigrants - who a potential Mayoral candidate wants to allow to vote.


Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 6, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Smells of desperation on her part. Disgusting racial profiling. She should be ashamed of herself. There comes a point where losing your soul to gain a seat aint worth it. Apparently she either has none or hasn't plumbed the darkness of it yet.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 6, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington

There is a character limit.


The rules are the rules - if a rule is not being broken, it is not being broken.

If you want a rule change, have it apply to everyone - and give everyone notice and a chance to comply.


Why don't you address the issue: Obama spent $700 Million in 2008 against Obama's own commitment to keep his spending to $87 Million -


Then the democrats are complaining this year - but Obama blew through a $600 Million advantage last time -

And the Republican advantage this year is no where near $600 Million

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 6, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

@quitealarmed: At best I would have called this a good opportunity for the GOP. Right from the start they had poor candidates during the primary. Remove the robocalls and I think, at best, Angle had a 7 point margin - and that was half a year ago.

So sorry, but calling this an easy GOP romp is a mischaracterization. It *should* have been - but that was before the GOP put forward such crappy candidates. Reid has always been competitive with Angle.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/nv/nevada_senate_angle_vs_reid-1517.html

Posted by: sbj3 | October 6, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

All, House Dems plan concerted effort to delegitimize the Chamber of Commerce's ads:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/house_dems_to_use_chambers_for.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 6, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

STRF-

You are an annoying pest. You spammed this thread with the same post as on the prior. Only a narcissist of the highest order cares more about seeing *his same exact* rantings on more than on thread.

Get a life.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 6, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

A rule change applied to everyone sounds great to me. Most commenters worth reading know how to be concise, and I'm sure those who don't will learn. Let's get rid of the full-page, off-topic screeds that are polluting the comment section of this blog. Please?

Posted by: QuiteAlarmed | October 6, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

These tea-party candidates are something to behold.

Posted by: rlj1 | October 6, 2010 1:48 PM
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That is the MSM for you. The establishment on both sides wants to keep playing tetherball with America bashing us back and forth.

The media and establishment politicians already have liberals turned into sheep blindly supporting their establishment leaders.

They are trying to scare conservatives into not making a change, sticking their heads down, and nominating the same clowns next election.

Wake up America.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone who is undecided at this point has been living under a rock."

Spoken like someone who's unusually engaged with politics and imagines that they are typical.

First, a lot of people - more than enough to swing just about every competitive contest - will be undecided about showing up to vote until sometime Election Day. An ad that really pisses people off, as this one will, can play into that decision. Second, there are plenty of "hold your nose and vote" types who will continue to debate which is the greater of the two evils that they will vote against for several more weeks.

Posted by: zimbar | October 6, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Smells of desperation on her part. Disgusting racial profiling. She should be ashamed of herself. There comes a point where losing your soul to gain a seat aint worth it. Apparently she either has none or hasn't plumbed the darkness of it yet.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 6, 2010 2:07 PM
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So if it was a picture of mostly blacks in the picture would you have the same racism claims? I bet not.

So sad liberals have been brought down to the point of having to put everyone in their politically correct race based box.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3:

Your disavow of Rasmussen results is noted. I share your opinion.

However, don't you think its a bit over the top to accuse Greg Sargeant of peddling "BS" because you prefer to characterize the seven-point lead that Angle enjoyed six months ago as "a good opportunity" instead of "an easy romp"?

Posted by: QuiteAlarmed | October 6, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

1. Adam Serwer has the bill wrong: it says nothing about their parents' status(es). It's not for "children of undocumented immigrants", it's for those who are themselves illegal aliens.

2. Adam Serwer is misleading about the tax breaks issue; Angle has supporting facts regarding votes Reid cast on her site.

3. Adam Serwer isn't telling you that the DA is open to anyone 35 or less (and the House version has no age limit). Some estimates are that 1 to 2 million illegal alien "students" could be covered by the bill.

4. Adam Serwer isn't revealing that the DA is openly anti-American: it lets those illegal aliens covered by the bill take college educations away from Americans.

No, really: Harry Reid pushed a bill that would let the illegal aliens covered by it deprive U.S. citizens of college.

Get the facts here:

http://24ahead.com/s/dream-act

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | October 6, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

ChuckinDenton at 2:13 PM

I was simply explaining the issue a bit - which is a topic today and in the news.

You are mischaracterizing me - completely.


The other side may read 10 posts from 10 liberals and state - CORRECTLY - that they are all repeating the same rantings.


I still haven't seen any liberal repond to the RESPONSE ( and that is what this is - a response to Chris Van Hollen's points - hardly a "ranting")


Obama had a $600 Million advantage in 2008 - so why can't the Republicans come up with their own loopholes to try to even up the score?

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 6, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Your disavow of Rasmussen results is noted. I share your opinion."

Ras actually did quite well in 538's pollsters rankings.

"Don't you think its a bit over the top to accuse Greg Sargeant of peddling "BS" because you prefer to characterize the seven-point lead that Angle enjoyed six months ago as "a good opportunity" instead of "an easy romp"?

No.

But I should have directed my comment to Adam.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 6, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"So if it was a picture of mostly blacks in the picture would you have the same racism claims? I bet not."

What is it with rightwingnuts and strawmen? Angle is using browns instead of blacks to take advantage of the current frenzy over illegals.

If you don't think this is racist, you are even dumber than you look.

Posted by: Observer691 | October 6, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I made some lame attack posts earlier in this thread (time for me to stick to the rational going forward), but here is my point.

"Racism" is about the biggest stigma that can be put on someone in modern American society.

It is possible that Sharron purposely chose a picture with mostly whites in it for racist reasons. However it might not be.

All the people claiming "blatent racism" on the thread are doing a disservice to racial relations. Once people start hurling racism around expect people to get mad and rationality to go out the window.

We are used to advertising now where every major demographic is evenly represented, but if you don't apply the same logic when it comes to any races other than "whites" please question yourself if racism is an excuse to browbeat an opinion you simply don't like.

Racism is being used as a tool by elitists to keep America divided.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"So if it was a picture of mostly blacks in the picture would you have the same racism claims? I bet not."

What is it with rightwingnuts and strawmen? Angle is using browns instead of blacks to take advantage of the current frenzy over illegals.

If you don't think this is racist, you are even dumber than you look.

Posted by: Observer691 | October 6, 2010 3:01 PM
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That is a subjective opinion. Democrats seem fine with using racism as a cover to obscure and distract from the underlying genuine issues.

Colleges have limited enrollment. The more "demand" the more they can raise their tuition.

You add millions of illegal immigrants with low income financial incentives (they can get things like in state tuition prices) to attend college and you ARE going to price struggling Americans of all races out of the possibility of college. Point blank.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the liberals here are concerned about the ad because it hits home. Drudge is reporting today that one survey shows angle with a slight lead. I'm no fan of polls but this race is very tight.

Also it is important to understand the illegal immigrant issue from the position of the people living it daily.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 6, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Also it is important to understand the illegal immigrant issue from the position of the people living it daily."

Like that fact that crime in the border has decreased the last three years, Skippy?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/03/world/main6543656.shtml

And if you're going to site a poll (especially from Drudge) back it up with a link.

Posted by: bmcchgo | October 6, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The good news is, Sharron Angle won't be getting the Latino vote.


Posted by: lindalovejones | October 6, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The good news is, Sharron Angle won't be getting the Latino vote.

Posted by: lindalovejones | October 6, 2010 3:40 PM
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This sort of thing is the most divisive and insulting argument.

Why is it that many liberals seem to think latinos and blacks are some hive mind that need to be pandered to?

Many legal immigrants hate illegals regardless of race. They see their hard work to become citizens degraded by people committing a criminal act.

Posted by: Cryos | October 6, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The ad is ridiculous of course, but have you read the Dream Act? It is a terrible piece of legislation. Why would we want to encourage these people to join the military? It's not about minors either as stated above, because you have to have already graduated from high school and you may be as old as 35. Why would we want to encourage illegal aliens to go to college here. The reason college costs are so high is because there are already too many people attending, and borrowing too much money to do so. This is the classic definition of inflation. The Dream Act will only exacerbate the problem. Again, just a terrible piece of legislation that is only submitted to pander to the Hispanic vote in Reid's district.

Posted by: 54465446 | October 6, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The good news is, Sharron Angle won't be getting the Latino vote.

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TO: SaveTheRainforest
“…PLEASE research the numbers a bit … with each side agreeing to limitations for decades.
Obama pulled OUT of that system … This caught McCain off-guard - who could have been raising unlimited money since the previous winter -
The liberals think they got a massive mandate - in reality all they did was raise more money for ads - if the Republicans had even-money, these majorities would not be CLOSE to where they are now, and Obama would have never had 60 votes in the Senate…”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In the end, it all came down to who got the most votes.

The history is written and can’t be changed.

McCain had to take public money because he just wasn’t pulling in the donations – even his own party didn’t like McCain, even McCain’s mother said on TV that Republicans were going to have to “hold their nose” and vote for McCain.

Posted by: lindalovejones | October 6, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@ Greg Sargent

Can you explain to me why must I press 1 in order to select English in all government and corporate phone systems in the US? Neither English nor Spanish is my native language, why isn't my native language represented in any public phone systems? Is this some sort of discrimination or racism against all non-Spanish speaking minorities? Do I need to call ACLU?

I think your answer to my question will also answer your own article.

In addition, as I have observed, when something beneficial happens to a group only because they are majority among all minority groups, no one seems to have any problems with it, just like the "Press 1 for English" in the phone system; but when this same group (fact is most illegals in this country come from Mexico) is the target in ads or in the AZ SB1070 law, oh wow racist and discrimination cards are being raised everywhere.

Posted by: Lawgiver | October 6, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

@ Greg Sargent

Can you explain to me why must I press 1 in order to select English in all government and corporate phone systems in the US? Neither English nor Spanish is my native language, why isn't my native language represented in any public phone systems? Is this some sort of discrimination or racism against all non-Spanish speaking minorities? Do I need to call ACLU?

I think your answer to my question will also answer your own article.

In addition, as I have observed, when something beneficial happens to a group only because they are majority among all minority groups, no one seems to have any problems with it, just like the "Press 1 for English" in the phone system; but when this same group (fact is most illegals in this country come from Mexico) is the target in ads or in the AZ SB1070 law, oh wow racist and discrimination cards are being raised everywhere.

Posted by: Lawgiver | October 6, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

It seems rather obvious that however one feels about amnesty, children should not be held responsible for their parents' mistakes.
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But US taxpayers and their college-age kids SHOULD be held responsible for illegal immigrants' "mistakes"? And be forced to take a hit to their own interests to pay for those "mistakes" they had nothing to do with creating?

Don't think so. Americans built and paid for American college seats for their children and grandchildren. They don't belong to foreign lawbreakers' children in any way, shape, or form.

The DREAM Act is a stick-up to take from the productive Americans who built up a good university system, and give to foreigners who could not produce a decent university system in their own country.

It is NOT Americans' fault that Mexicans, etc. couldn't produce a decent university system in their own country.

Posted by: MaryJessel | October 6, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@sbj: "Ras actually did quite well in 538's pollsters rankings."

And yet, you reject offhand their poll results that showed Sharon Angle with an eleven-point lead over Harry Reid last June. Bit of a contradiction there.

Perhaps the problem is that you are using a different vocabulary from the rest of us. I don't think most people would characterize Rasmussen's 15th place ranking as doing "quite well". And I don't think most people would object to characterizing a candidate with a seven-point advantage as having an "easy romp."

Posted by: QuiteAlarmed | October 6, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

t is NOT Americans' fault that Mexicans, etc. couldn't produce a decent university system in their own country.

Posted by: MaryJessel | October 6, 2010 4:00 PM |

Were your ancestors Native Americans' or are you descended from people who came here from one or more of those countries that did not provide for them?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 6, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "Were your ancestors Native Americans"

Native American is a misnomer. Everyone knows so-called "Native" Americans invaded the pristine wilderness by crossing over on a so-called "land bridge". And thus defiled the virgin forests.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 6, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Getting called "Skippy" is really amusing. Such rapier wit. Just too funny.

Yeah, crime has gone down all right. yup. that's why the Federal Government ceded the land south of Interstate 8 to the drug runners. I'm certain that the folks making the drive from Casa Grande to San diego feel comforted reading the signs placed by the BLM warning them that the area is controlled by smugglers. Yeah, I'm so sure that abstract statistics about "crime" resonate real well.

or how about the kidnap rate in Phoenix? wonderful, eh? Face it, Mexico is a failed state and Obama is failing at his primary duty: protecting the citizens of the US.

No doubt the gentleman shot on his jet ski was very appreciative of the fact that border crime has declined, right?

Is finding Drudge a problem for you bunkie? well this addy will take you to a place that I know will warm the cockles of your itty bitty liberal heart: CNN
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/06/cnntime-poll-1-in-10-in-nevada-say-none-of-the-above/

How many years did you live on the border?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 6, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey Skipper:

"or how about the kidnap rate in Phoenix?"

Is it high? Where's the link to prove it?

"Yeah, crime has gone down all right. yup. that's why the Federal Government ceded the land south of Interstate 8 to the drug runners."

Again, where's the proof. Link?

Lastly, I asked you to back up your claim about crime along the border and you provide some CNN poll about the Nevada Senate race. Nice dodge - Skippy.

Posted by: bmcchgo | October 6, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind an Angle win. Having her in DC where her nutbaggery will be on full display will make Obama's reelection that much easier.

Posted by: Observer691 | October 6, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that your ignorance is far vaster than I anticipated bmcchgo. You don't know about the BLM signs? do you have a "liberal approved news only" filter on your hi def color moronoscope or what?
Try reading something other than mother jones for once. Expand your horizons a bit. It won't kill you but it may cause to to call into question your blind faith in the liberal dogma.

The BLM sign issue was widely reported. I suggest google, but since it is possible that you're not only a rapier wit but a bit on the lazy side too, I'll spare you the effort.Try this:
http://www.kvoa.com/news/bureau-of-land-management-warns-motorists-who-travel-along-i-8/

Ready for the money quote?
"Kathy Pedrick from the Bureau of Land Management says the signs went up because of recent incidents along the border south of I-8.

She says, "there was a Pinal County Sheriff's deputy shot at, there's been some homicides recently with some of the smugglers."

The signs warn the public they could encounter smugglers or individuals who may be armed."

You make it too easy. You're arguing from a position of weakness because I doubt you really do understand the border issues from your lofty perch in the windy city. How 'bout those bears? How will the Blackhawks do this year? A repeat?

Now, let's talk kidnapping in PHX.

This is from the LA Times:
"Arizona has become the new drug gateway into the United States. Roughly half of all marijuana seized along the U.S.-Mexico border was taken on the state's 370-mile border with Mexico.

One result is an epidemic of kidnapping that many residents are barely aware of. Indeed, most every other crime here is down. But police received 366 kidnapping-for-ransom reports last year, and 359 in 2007. Police estimate twice that number go unreported."

As Darth Vader said: all too easy.

I'm sure you thought I was lying. Why else make the demand for links to facts that are commonly known by many? I'll bet you think everyone who isn't a raging liberal is a liar. Tell me, does that make you a bigot?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 6, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

one more thing my chicago pen pal, the link to CNN was about the lead Ms Angle has over Mr Reed.

You asked for proof, now ya got it.

What happened to the Cubs? All that payroll and they still suck? And does chicago enjoy the motor mouth of Ozzie as much as the rest of the league does?

Just askin is all.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 6, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@quitealarmed: "I don't think most people would characterize Rasmussen's 15th place ranking as doing "quite well". And I don't think most people would object to characterizing a candidate with a seven-point advantage as having an "easy romp."

Well then...

You think wrong.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 6, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Yo Skiptard,

Go back to your original post where you said 'the Federal Government' ceded the land South of I-8. Then you link to an article that said that the Bureau of Land Management IN ARIZONA put up the sign. So go ask Gov. Brewer why she is exposing her state's motorists to violence.

As for the kidnapping hoax, here's PoliticFact:

Phoenix has experienced hundreds of kidnappings over the past few years. However, we couldn't find reliable around-the-planet evidence to confirm that only Mexico City experiences more of them. In fact, experts advise that such rankings can't be made based on available information. If they could, they speculate, other cities would prove to have more kidnappings than Arizona's capital.

We found nothing confirming Phoenix as No. 2 in kidnappings worldwide. We'll reconsider our rating if compelling evidence surfaces, but for now McCain's statement is False.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/jun/28/john-mccain/mccain-says-phoenix-second-kidnapping-capital-worl/

Oh by the way, above, that's an URL link. You know, copy and paste? Not very hard, Skippy.

Posted by: bmcchgo | October 6, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse


The Democratic Liberal virus has infected our lawmakers established with Senator Harry Reid, Senator Barbara Boxer, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Janet Napolitano and all those incumbents are up for a renewal to Washington. Not eliminating them from the already corrupt Senate and House in Washington will be the immediate enactment of open border laws in lame duck sessions.. The-Amnesty--Dream Act, bringing to the US a “Chain Migration” of immediate family members, parents, Sisters, Brother, uncles and aunts. Sick and infirm can take advantage of our ailing hospitals, education for their children--that will be a taxpayers demise. Amnesty for all those already here, which means massive processing of documentation that will also cost billions of dollars. Jerry Brown Vs. Meg Whitman is another political battle, as old Jerry Brown would promote another Amnesty, while Madam Whitman stated--NO AMNESTY. Then there's San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, Democratic Liberal candidate for lieutenant governor of California, never tried to halt the 'Sanctuary City" policy of San Francisco and stopping the police from questioning the national status of people, living in San Francisco. Nobody who has established their image of a pro-illegal immigrant should hold office?

There is not enough room in my comments to explain the how this issue of illegal immigration--effects us all. But as I have constantly repeated, do your own investigation of those politicians who have appalling immigration records at NumbersUSA, GOOGLE--Illegal alien costs or Voter Fraud. Illegal aliens will try to affect the course of the midterm elections by violating the voting laws--specifically absentee ballots, as they do not need to appear in person.

Posted by: infinity555 | October 6, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Again as always it is predictable for a LACK of valid arguments the Pro-ILLEGAL Elitists, Elitist Politicians, Elitist Political Contributors, ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS, ILLEGALS, and other Special Interest Groups benefiting from the ILLEGALS always fall back on attacking anyone who disagrees attempting to label them as racists or as in this case a “white super” desiring to place the United States Citizen on the defensive as a side tracking maneuver to distract from the real issue of ILLEGALS invading the United States.

Posted by: walnutst | October 6, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Again as always it is predictable for a LACK of valid arguments the Pro-ILLEGAL Elitists, Elitist Politicians, Elitist Political Contributors, ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS, ILLEGALS, and other Special Interest Groups benefiting from the ILLEGALS always fall back on attacking anyone who disagrees attempting to label them as racists desiring to place the United States Citizen on the defensive as a side tracking maneuver to distract from the real issue of ILLEGALS invading the United States.

Posted by: walnutst | October 6, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

name calling is just such an adult way of communicating. How so very mature of you.

Tell ya what. When you show signs of being able to sit at the adult table, get back to me. In the meantime, my time is too valuable to waste it on yet another ill mannered child.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 7, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

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