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Voters aren't buying Dem message about GOP obstructionism

In a post yesterday about Mitch McConnell's stated desire to ensure that Obama is a "one term president," I noted that there's no evidence to speak of that the Dem strategy of pillorying GOP partisanship and obstructionism has paid any dividends.

The internals of today's New York Times poll seem to confirm this. They suggest that the public just isn't prepared to believe that Republicans are any more partisan or obstructionist than Dems are. From the poll:

In general, when Republicans in Congress oppose legislation, is it mostly because of an honest disagreement about policy or is it mostly for political reasons?

Honest disagreement 16

Political reasons 75

The same question was asked about Democrats:

In general, when Democrats in Congress oppose legislation, is it mostly because of an honest disagreement about policy or is it mostly for political reasons?

Honest disagreement 17

Political reasons 72

No meaningful difference. This, even though Dems have been relentlessly hammering Republicans as obstructionist, nakedly political and fully committed to nothing more than destroying the Obama presidency for over a year now. This suggests that voters quite properly view both political parties as political -- in other words, people expect them to try to do what it takes to win. Efforts to claim the moral high ground on who's truly bipartisan and who isn't come across as so much Beltway white noise.

The poll does contain one bright spot for Dems on this question. It finds that far more people think Obama will work with Republicans to get things done (72 percent) than think Republicans will work with Obama and Dems (46 percent). In other words, Obama is perceived to have risen above Congress in terms of who is acting in good faith and who isn't. This could give Obama leverage in the coming skirmishes with the likely GOP House majority. and hints at a possible route for Obama to reelection.

But on the question of who's operating in good faith and who isn't, Congressional Dems have been swallowed up in the public's negative views of Congress. In the context of this election, at least, it's hard to see what the Dems' strategy of yelling about GOP obstructionism has actually produced for them.

By Greg Sargent  | October 28, 2010; 11:43 AM ET
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" In general, when Republicans in Congress oppose legislation, is it mostly because of an honest disagreement about policy or is it mostly for political reasons?

Honest disagreement 16

Political reasons 75
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75% of those polled said that the Republicans are just being obstructionists, for Political reasons.
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Why would they have to be sold on a viewpoint that they already hold?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I really don't think they've made the case near forcefully or relentlessly enough to break through the clutter. They should study Republicans' methods more.

Posted by: CalD | October 28, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Liam, they believe the same thing about Democrats. That's the point.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 28, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

@Greg

The "obstructionism" line of attack has never worked with voters and isn't intended to sway their vote.

The "obstructionism" line of attack is meant to work on the media, with the intended goal of having the media dismiss the opposing party as not serious.

It works instantly and incredibly well when the GOP does it. They scream "obstructionist!" at Dems, and the media immediately starts labelling any attack or policy proposal by Dems as "partisan" and dismissed as legimate.

However...it never, NEVER, works for Dems against Republicans. The media always, ALWAYS, allows the GOP to make the most amazingly stupid or fraudulent claims. Then, instead of rebutting the nonsense, they go regergitate it to Dems and ask for their "reaction". It's because most of the media has a demostratable bias in support of the GOP, stemming from FOX still be considered "news" instead of rightfully being considered "propoganda".

Dems should stop trying to use this attack against Republicans. They should instead use this attack against the media itself by constantly and consistantly sniping at reporters for NOT pointing out how obstructist the GOP is being. Cut out the middle man of attacking the GOP with the desired result being media influence...and go right at the conservative media machine itself.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | October 28, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

LOL!!! Of course the voters aren't buying Dem lies.

Those 72% however didn't hear Obama say to the new Republican Congress that "they can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back" of the bus!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

TheBBQChickenMadness:

By all means, then, if they are really being so obstructionist, please name even a SINGLE Obama nominee that the Republicans have prevented from taking the federal bench?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"But on the question of who's operating in good faith and who isn't..."

The public is correct.

@Greg: It seems to me that all along it was folks like you encouraging the Dems to push the obstructionist line.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 28, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

sbj3:

Finally, something that we agree on!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Overwhelmingly, people Do not like the influx Of Sinister Secret Money Into Campaigns.

From the poll internals:


88. How important is it that campaigns be required by law to disclose how much money they have raised, where that money came from, and how they have spent the money — very important, somewhat important, not too important, or not important at all?
Very Somewhat Not too Not at all DK/NA
10/21-26/10 81 11 4 2 3
89. Currently, groups not affiliated with a candidate are able to spend unlimited amounts of money on advertisements during a political campaign. Do you think this kind of spending should be limited by law, or should it remain unlimited?
Should be limited Should remain unlimited DK/NA
10/21-26/10 72 20

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I have always thought it a mistake for Obama to complain about the "party of no" etc. and whine about what Republicans have not done for him lately. I was stunned when he complained about Fox news being unfair. This is the big time, this is not community organizing.

The Clintons were right, politics IS (sorry) a contact sport and being POTUS it is a matter of life and death, all day every day. To follow through with the Clinton quote (he chose Yao Ming for obvious reason), Obama acting like an aggrieved NBA player crying to the officials: people despise the victim act. Now Obama is getting Td up like Rasheed Wallace, by the American people. Whether people like him or not, we elect leaders to lead forcefully even while staying above the fray.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

OT But a new Quinnipiac poll shows some movement in Florida....

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1527

October 28, 2010 - Rubio Leads Crist By 7 Points In Florida Senate Race, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Sink Inches Ahead Of Scott In Governor's Race"

I didn't think Charlie would get this close to the golden boy but poor Meek is hemorrhaging Dems who are jumping on the anybody but Marco bandwagon. I am a prime example. Normally I would have voted for the Dem but I've always been on the anybody but Marco bandwagon which is why one of my blog friends here..Ethan..has had to exercise some patience with me. :-)

Meanwhile Alex Sink moves 4 ahead of Darth Scott..with plenty of undecideds left...could be tight

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 28, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Those 72% however didn't hear Obama say to the new Republican Congress that "they can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back" of the bus!!!"

Come on Jake, get the quote correct at least. You guys just make stuff up and we all get so tired of correcting you that we hardly bother anymore. I can't let this one go by though. Here's the exact quote, not taken out of context, and not adding your little "bus" interpretation, very similar to Beck's btw.

There's plenty of issues and words we could debate here, but not when you just make stuff up. Maybe that's why no one ever answers your "questions".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Finally we got this car up on level ground. And, yes, it's a little beat up. It needs to go to the body shop. It's got some dents; it needs a tune-up. But it's pointing in the right direction. And now we've got the Republicans tapping us on the shoulder, saying, we want the keys back.

You can't have the keys back. You don't know how to drive. You can ride with us if you want, but you got to sit in the backseat. We're going to put middle-class America in the front seat. We're looking out for them."

Posted by: lmsinca | October 28, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a poll about the effectiveness of the stupid car-in-the-ditch metaphor.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 28, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

From the poll internals.

19% are Catholics. 18% have no religious believes.

That is a poll tie between Catholics and Agnostics/Atheists. Time for Non-Believers to appoint their own Bishops and Pope, in order to get equal treatment from Politicians and The Media.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if those numbers on both sides are reflective of the hyper-partisanship of the Country generally?

If so, it is a fool's errand to assume that the GOP will lift a finger to compromise with the opposition, should they gain the House.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 28, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Imsinca:

I didn't include the word "bus" in the quotation marks for a reason -- if he would have said the word "bus" I would have included that word in the quotation marks -- nonetheless, I would think that the first black President who wants to work with Republicans wouldn't want to tell ANYONE to get in the back of a bus, car, any other kind of vehicle analogy. That's what the 72% haven't heard.

BTW: my job is much EASIER if no one answers my questions ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Cautionary results, for those who claim that Liberals are the base of the Democratic Party, and that President Obama and Blue-Dogs should not try to appeal to the middle.

Internals of this Poll.

What do you consider yourself to be:

Liberal: 19%

Moderate: 37%

Conservative: 38%

.................

Progressives should pay close attention to those results. Moderates are the only way we can remain a majority party. They are double the number of self identified Liberals. We better pay more attention to them, because our 19% is not going to accomplish a damn thing, on our own.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"But on the question of who's operating in good faith and who isn't..."

There are a lot of ways to make a difference in the world. Going into politics is not one of them. I think people think politicians of either party are largely drawn by the idea of wielding power. Maybe some of the news guys have the best of intentions, but I doubt they'll be able to maintain that

Posted by: NoVAHockey | October 28, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"If so, it is a fool's errand to assume that the GOP will lift a finger to compromise with the opposition, should they gain the House."

Boehner was just recently quoted as saying there will be no compromise with the White House should the GOP take over the House.
I hope all of those voters who are so pissed off at the Dems to vote for a party who is even less respected are ready for 2 years of gridlock.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 28, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats in Congress still do not get it and probably never will:

The American people and American small business want lower taxes for EVERYONE while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats will raise taxes on some and probably everyone to pay for the reckless spending they put in place.

The American people and American small business want smaller government while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats have and plan to continue to greatly increase the size of government.

The American people and American small business want less government intervention into their lives and private affaires while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats will continue to expand onerous regulation which raises costs, reduces the standard of living, and inhibits job growth.

The American people and American small business did not want the so-called healthcare reform while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats continue to ignore how this law will cost the American people and small businesses more, reduce choice in healthcare, and restrict access to healthcare for many people.

The current Administration and current Congress must realize a large portion of the American people are fed up with high taxes, big government, and obtrusive government meddling in the private lives of people, business, and the economy. The American people what lower taxes, lower government spending, and smaller government.

As long as our government continues the reckless spending, high taxes, and unprecedented meddling with businesses, we cannot expect real long term growth.

The Congress and current Administration have put the country on a course of reckless government spending that has mortgaged the future of all Americans especially future generations. The only way to fix this long term structural problem is to create a pro-growth atmosphere for business. To do this we must reduce taxes NOW. How many different taxes does a business or individual pay on a regular basis? We must eliminate number and complexity of all these taxes and reduce the tax burden.

We also need to end the micro-management of business and the economy. Until we GREATLY reduce the tax burden on business and consumers and remove the senseless regulations that accomplish little in relation to the cost they impose, our future is bleak.

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER...VOTE THEM OUT!!!

Posted by: AngryMobVoter | October 28, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Is it a "metaphor" or an "analogy"?

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Liam, please don't lump agnostics and atheists into the same category. Atheists are religious to the extent they are certain, they believe they know.

Agnostics, we don't believe anything. We know what we can't know and we are fine with that. If some guy rocking a blonde beard and a toga comes by with a little fire coming out of his exposed, bleeding heart in a few minutes...wouldn't surprise me a bit. Same if space aliens showed up to grab some primordial soup for another planet. Agnostics don't have to be serious. We realized the human mind is capable of torturing itself, framing questions that have no answers, then not wanting that to be so. Allowing not for ignorance, but for not knowing everything is good for the digestion and blood pressure too.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if those numbers on both sides are reflective of the hyper-partisanship of the Country generally?

If so, it is a fool's errand to assume that the GOP will lift a finger to compromise with the opposition, should they gain the House.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | October 28, 2010 12:19 PM |

....................

I think that people are right, when they say that when either party engages in obstruction, it is purely to gain a political advantage.

The question is; which party do people feel have engaged in that practice the most?

Have the Republicans done it more, or have the Democrats done it more?

I may have missed it, when scrolling through the Pdf; but that would be the right way to pose the question.

Just asking; when they do it,....... Does not tell us who people feel does it almost all the time.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time to start aggressively going after the conservative name.

It's being hijacked by a bunch of radicals that are anything but conservative. They want to make substantial changes to our Constitution and the American way of life we've developed over time.

That's not conservatism. That's radicalism. They want to radically transform this country into something indistinguishable and our children and grandchildren will have to pay the price. There was a time when this country would work together to strive to be the best. Now we've got about half the country that strives for outsourcing corporations to be the best because it's good for their owners. So what if the American worker suffers in the process. That's inconsequential to the people who consider themselves conservative republicans.

I consider myself fiscally conservative but wouldn't in a million years associate myself with what Republican and libertarian voters call conservative.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 28, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

mfA, at the "values voters" conference a few weeks ago, Jim DeMint (evidently, an expert on this topic) declared that you can not be a fiscal conservative if you are not also a social conservative, just fyi.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

hrink2

And I suppose you think all Catholics are completely in harmony with their religious practices and beliefs.

The Catholic Church has huge political influence now, and are allowed to run rough shod over those who want to be no part of any organized religions, even though there are just as many of those people in America as there are Catholics.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey angrymobperson,

Can we have a drinking game for every time you say "The American People?"

I would be a hoot!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 28, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Off Topic

Ed Whelan over at NRO has somehow come into posession of a letter written by Laurence Tribe to President Obama, urging him to nominate Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court back when Souter retired. Most interestingly, Tribe does his best to discourage Obama from doing what he of course ended up doing - nominating Sonia Sotomayor.

"Bluntly put, she’s not nearly as smart as she seems to think she is, and her reputation for being something of a bully could well make her liberal impulses backfire and simply add to the fire power of the Roberts/Alito/Scalia/Thomas wing of the Court on issues like those involved in the voting rights case argued last week and the Title VII case of the New Haven firefighters argued earlier, issues on which Kennedy will probably vote with Roberts despite Souter’s influence but on which I don’t regard Kennedy as a lost cause for the decade or so that he is likely to remain on the Court."

http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/251301/tribe-obama-sotomayor-not-nearly-smart-she-seems-think-she-ed-whelan

Posted by: ScottC3 | October 28, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

AngryMobVoter:

On November 2nd, the keys get taken away from Obama!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

see shrink2. These radicals are redefining and hi-jacking the movement.

It's not an accident Angle, Buck, Miller, O'Donnell, Ayotte and Paul all fervently oppose abortion, even in the case of rape and incest.

They are circumventing the movement by quietly infiltrating then voting in their positions. They tried for years to openly campaign and when they realized it wasn't working and voters were rejecting their radical views, they are now quietly getting into political power so they can change our laws to fit their religious views.

America better wake the f up.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 28, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"So?" Dick Cheney.

A letter from Lawrence Tribe discussing potential supreme court nominees. Some one should have informed NRO and you, that both women are actually on The Supreme Court now. What next? Are you going to bring us the startling news that Cleopatra has died?!

Off Topic; but it's very urgen,t that you all be made aware that Generalissimo Franco is still dead!

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I get that, I am, among other things, an apostate, a survivor of conservative, perhaps brutal Catholic childhood.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

What a revolting Sicko this Republican Congresswoman truly is;


"Schmidt Talks to Kids About Abortion
The New York Daily News reports that Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) "shocked teachers and students alike this month when she decided to talk about abortion to a classroom of 6-year-olds."

In a letter to parents, the principal of the school wrote: "Your children may come home with questions, especially if this is a topic that has not been broached in your home... She indicated that abortion involves the killing of a child before it is born." '

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

mfA, agreed on all points.

Posted by: shrink2 | October 28, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Liam, want to read something truly revolting from Arkansas?

" McCance took to his Facebook page last week, to blast what became known as Spirit Day, a day where all around the country, people wore the color purple to remember those LGBT students who were victims of bullying or suicide. For McCance, this was nothing more than a day of honoring “sin.”

“Seriously they want me to wear purple because five queers committed suicide. The only way I’m wearin’ it for them is if they all commit suicide,” McCance said, in one of the most ugly outbursts in recent memory. “I can’t believe the people of this world have gotten this stupid. We are honoring the fact that they sinned and killed themselves because of their sin.”

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37456_Arkansas_School_Board_Member-_Gay_Students_Should_Get_AIDS_and_Die

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 28, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) "shocked teachers and students alike this month when she decided to talk about abortion to a classroom of 6-year-olds.""

Seriously, what the heck is wrong with these people? If that was my 6-year-old being proselytized to like that, I'd be FURIOUS.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 28, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

More about the second case of violence by Tea Party:

We've had two high-profile cases in the last few days. And each time it's middle-aged or retired right wing white guy in violent encounter with early-twenty-something Dem woman with either cropped hair or more or less crunchy appearance.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/10/the_primordial_struggle.php

Putrid. The people who violated these people's right of Free Speech should be incarcerated, if/when found guilty by a jury of their peers, and they will be.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 28, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) "shocked teachers and students alike this month when she decided to talk about abortion to a classroom of 6-year-olds.""

Seriously, what the heck is wrong with these people? If that was my 6-year-old being proselytized to like that, I'd be FURIOUS.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 28, 2010 12:57 PM

.................

Keep in mind that she is one of those Republicans who is against providing Sex Ed education, for much older school kids.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yet, it's OK to proselytize 6-year olds about homosexuality.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I think your interpretation of this poll is backwards. Americans agree with the basic message of Democrats about Republicans, and go on to apply it to both sides.

Americans are totally disgusted with all our politicians. The disgust is so total that we are on the verge of at least one new party, maybe two.

Posted by: MarkThomason | October 28, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

New Poll: Bush beats Obama
http://politics.usnews.com/topics/subjects/2012-presidential-election

Despite voters feelings toward Obama personally, 56 percent say he does not deserve to be re-elected, while 38 percent say he does deserve to be re-elected president.

43 percent say that Barack Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush, while 48 percent say Bush was a better president than Obama has been.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | October 28, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, what the heck is wrong with these people? If that was my 6-year-old being proselytized to like that, I'd be FURIOUS.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 28, 2010 12:57 PM |
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But Ethan, I'm sure her speech was highly effective, and no 6-year old will ever again seek an abortion.

And besides, it is far better they hear about abortion from Jean Schmidt than hear President Obama urge them to do their very best in school.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 28, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) "shocked teachers and students alike this month when she decided to talk about abortion to a classroom of 6-year-olds."

I'm more offended that they let a member of Congress in a school.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | October 28, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

First of all, NON-State actors (middle-aged or retired right wing white guys) cannot legally "violate" anyone's right of Free Speech. Second, I doubt that a KENTUCKY jury will be convicting anyone of anything related to that alleged assault ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

NoVAHockey:

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"I'm more offended that they let a member of Congress in a school."

Just seeing Schmidt in person must have shocked those kids.

And as for -
"More about the second case of violence by Tea Party:"

Having some old fart assaulting a young woman is just the Tea Party version of intercourse.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 28, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

All, Obama directly addressed these issues himself here:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/obama_to_gop_if_you_dont_coope.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 28, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Having some old fart assaulting a young woman is just the Tea Party version of intercourse.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 28, 2010 1:17 PM

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It is how they remain true to their "Family Values".

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Good thing these "ladies" didn't run into Ken Buck when he was a prosecutor then ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Mike, you don't know what either conservatism or fiscal restraint are. Conservatives don't need your advice on these matters.

Trust me on this.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 28, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Democrats rammed our car into the ditch. Then they lied about having given up drinking and knowing how drive, got behind the wheel and are speeding us down the highway, drunk and out of control, the wrong way right into an eighteen-wheeler.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 28, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Democrats rammed our car into the ditch. Then they lied about having given up drinking and knowing how drive, got behind the wheel and are speeding us down the highway, drunk and out of control, the wrong way right into an eighteen-wheeler.

Posted by: quarterback1 | October 28, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

qb, the conservative movement has been hijacked by religious zealots and corporate frauds.

What those groups call conservatism isn't conservatism at all. It's falls somewhere between Mussolini's economic theory and bin Laden's religious philosophy.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 28, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Shades of Neville Chamberlain negotiating with Hitler.

Posted by: dozas | October 28, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington was close, but no cigar -- Monica Lewinsky will be relieved -- blog congratulations go to DOZAS for officially invoking Godwin's Law!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

See you all on the new thread ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 28, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

QB,

So the Democrats were in a different car, and they rammed your car into a ditch. Then they lied to you, and somehow got the keys to your car? Which they, while supposedly drunk, managed to get out of the ditch? And now they are driving your car?

Is that really the story you want to stick with? Doesn't make you seem too bright . . .

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 28, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I get that, I am, among other things, an apostate, a survivor of conservative, perhaps brutal Catholic childhood.

Posted by: shrink2

Me too. Now I understand why you are a shrink! :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | October 28, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Is that really the story you want to stick with? Doesn't make you seem too bright . . .

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 28, 2010 1:58 PM

...............

The guy has often claimed that he is a lawyer. Yet he threatened to sue me for libeling his sock puppet, here on Plumline. That was when I started referring to him as the Toon Town Lawyer.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 28, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

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