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Why Karl Rove and U.S. Chamber are laughing at their critics

I'm really sorry to be a broken record about this. But a discussion has erupted today among some of our sharpest political commentators about the secret money funding the massive ad onslaught against Dems mounted by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the groups founded by Karl Rove.

And no one is talking about what's in the ads themselves. No one is talking about how these ads are filled with multiple distortions and debunked falsehoods. In other words, no one is talking about what it is the voters themselves are seeing in these ads on an hourly basis. The discussion is largely a Beltway process argument about matters such as whether attack ads are effective and whether the Dem criticism of the secret cash is working politically for them.

None of this discussion does anything to undercut or challenge what the Chamber and Rove's groups are actually up to here: They are flooding airwaves across the country with a massive, secret-donor-funded campaign that's designed to tip control of Congress with a campaign of misinformation, distortions and falsehoods that have been widely debunked by independent fact checkers but nonetheless have attracted little to no notice.

To be clear, contributors to today's discussion -- which was sparked by David Brooks' column arguing that attack ads don't really matter much -- made some very good points. Glenn Greenwald noted that Brooks seems to be lowballing his estimate of the amounts being spent by these groups. Michael Crowley pointed out why these ads do, in fact, matter. Joe Klein argued that voters have a right to know who's paying for the ads persuading them who to choose as their representatives.

All very good stuff, no question. But while this Beltway debate is unfolding, Rove and the Chamber are laughing all the way to a quasi-bought-and-paid-for Congressional majority. Because the stuff the voters are seeing isn't being challenged in any significant way or subjected to any high-profile media scrutiny -- certainly nothing along the lines of the scrutiny that was rightly applied to White House and Dem claims about the Chamber. For some reason, no one wants to go there.

I don't know what the answer to this problem is. Maybe no amount of fact-checking will penetrate the advertising din these groups have unleashed. But surely the substance of what's in the ads themselves deserves more attention.

And now I will quietly retreat into my padded cell. Thanks for listening.

By Greg Sargent  | October 19, 2010; 12:51 PM ET
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Certain attacks or claims don't always have one result.

It could be a number of things.

1) Increased contributions from Dems to fight back against over reaching gazillionairs.

2) Discredit any wins the Republicans might have as just a bought off campaign.

3) Change public perception for a long term campaign to fight back against this stuff.

OT but this cracks me up.

"“Where in the Constitution is the separation of church and state?” Delaware Republican Christine O’Donnell asked in a debate with her opponent Chris Coons on Tuesday morning—a question “which prompted laughs from the studio audience,” according to CBS News."

Posted by: mikefromArlington | October 19, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Greg, you and other reporters who are actually doing their jobs are sadly outnumbered by the hacks and stenographers. It's pathetic and sad how little the media has learned about Rove's methods.

Posted by: BGinCHI | October 19, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

@Greg

Welcome to the world of fully understanding how f**king terrible the media is at doing their job, and how much of a joke the "liberal media" smear is.

"I don't know what the answer to this problem is."

Are you serious? The answer is that the beltway media should take it's collective head out of their a** and actually do the job they are supposed to be doing. If every major outlet covered the story as you have, as opposed to being low-life gossip reporters in suits, then do you really think the Chamber and Rove would be getting away with this as cleanly as they are now? No, of course they wouldn't.


Is there any chance at all you could get a journalist of a major media corp. to speak as to why they can't be bothered to cover this aspect of the story - even anonymously?

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | October 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Please do NOT retreat, Greg.

We NEED you to fight the good fight.

Call out the lies again and again and again. Repeat yourself 1,000 times if you have to. Don't ever stop.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Still valiantly laying the groundwork for the "Why we lost in 2010" excuse, I see.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 19, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

And no one is talking about what's in the ads themselves. No one is talking about how these ads are filled with multiple distortions and debunked falsehoods. In other words, no one is talking about what it is the voters themselves are seeing in these ads on an hourly basis.
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Greg, you are right. This is what I've been saying ever since this issue came up. But the question is, what to do? Talking about the ads and if they are factual is completely relevant. How many of the tinfoil posters here are more concerned with who has given money to the CoC than what is being said in the ads?

Posted by: Bailers | October 19, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I still say it is the secret big funding that is the real danger to representative Democracy.

If we are never to know who paid to put the Republicans in Office, we will never be able to connect the dots, when those Republicans keep their side of the corrupt bargains.

By the way;

Start the count down to when Palin claims that it was a typo, and she meant to tweet "workers need raise".

I love having Palin posting tweets. It is like watching a Monkey trying to solve a Rubik's Cube puzzle.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

In the end Rove will answer and that comforts me.

Posted by: Freethotlib | October 19, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Greg, this is one broken record I like to hear. I don't think there's a more important question out there. Combine the cultural illiteracy of much of the populace, as demonstrated by Christine O'Donnell on the separation of church and state, with the thorough-going dishonesty of this onslaught of Republican ads and the implications are pretty terrifying for American democracy.

Posted by: AllButCertain | October 19, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Michael Crowley updates:

"Greg Sargent notes that a healthy proportion of this year's third-party ads have been debunked as misleading or false. Again, that's hardly uncommon for candidates and party committees."

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/10/19/re-money-and-politics/#ixzz12pMYoiMT

Posted by: sbj3 | October 19, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Is Christine O'DoDo looking for some way to turn America into A Theocracy? It sure sounds like she is.

Which wacko preacher will she want elevated to the position of Grand Ayatollah?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Too much of the "fact-checking" out there is biased. A reasonable person reading the "fact-checking" never really gets the sense that they have been freed from partisanship.

1) The $500 Billion from yesterday - Obama did take that money out of Medicare and put it into his health care plan. One may argue that the corresponding cuts have not been made yet, but there is a $500 Billion deficit hole somewhere.

2) Based on this $500 Billion transfer, seniors do face decreased benefits when that money has to be taken into account

3) There was a vote in the House on the public option. The democrats voted for the public option and it passed.

4) Obama has claimed his health care plan is "paid for." This is the biggest lie out there for the above reasons

5) The democrats have given the nation a distorted view of the overall finances of Obama's health care bill. Primary on that list is Obama has 10 years of taxes up against 7 years of benefits - a deficit which has to be addressed later.

Greg - you are asking why issues like this do not get the "truth" treatment. It is because so many democratic groups have been out there attempting to tell us the "truth," only to give the nation distorted information.


Credibility is Credibility

Bias is bias.


WHICH ROAD HAVE YOU DECIDED TO TRAVEL ???

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

sargent, the democratic defense force. you couldn't say anything fair about a conservative christian if we paid your rent, which by commenting on your article we sort of are doing.

Posted by: harbinger317 | October 19, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Have you done a post on Miller's ethics violation (seems as though he hacked onto several of his colleagues computers to engage in political activity and was disciplined for his conduct)? Seems like an under-reported story.

Posted by: wswest | October 19, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

For those who want to learn more about the housing bubble, James Kwak is recommending this new paper, Explaining the Housing Bubble,
Adam J. Levitin & Susan M. Wachter

This paper can be downloaded without charge from:
SSRN: http://ssrn.com/abstract=1669401

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 19, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

You're right on the money (no pun intended). And here's the thing -- if this issue got the kind of thorough coverage it deserves, people would be livid. It's already resonating.

It's not very surprising that the usual suspects are coming along to say "nothing to see" here. After all, this is the same David Brooks who described his movement as "the mansion of conservatism" and infamously wrote that it was tough for voters to imagine then-Senator Obama at an "Applebee's salad bar." Applebee's doesn't have salad bars.

My point: "Out of touch" is David Brooks' whole thing. If I'm looking for someone to pass the Grey Poupon, or a nautical themed pashmina afghan, Brooks is the go-to guy. Other than that...

Posted by: michael_conrad | October 19, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

OT:

Truly heinous.

GOP ad in NV tells Hispanics 'don't vote'

The narrator ends saying, "Don't vote this November. This is the only way to send them a clear message. You can no longer take us for granted. Don't vote."

The ad, which Politico reports, is going over the airwaves only in Spanish, has angered members of the Hispanic community. "That message has to be denounced, its got to be thrown out," Fernando Romero, president of Hispanics in Politics, told a Las Vegas television station.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/ad-of-the-day-anti-reid-ad-tel.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

sbj, you somehow missed this part of Crowley's update:

"...but I wonder if it might be more common for less-accountable outside groups."

Posted by: sargegreg | October 19, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Mr Sargent, don't forget your binkie and your favorite stuffed teddy bear when you give yourself a time out!

Poor babies. The unions spend millions (much of it sourced overseas) on behalf of Democrats and not a peep from the lefties.

Let the game expand to include to opposition and, gasp!, the world is coming to an end.

What nonsense. This is just more denial. Rather than face the fact that the liberal agenda is being rejected, we are treated to all sorts of intellectually bankrupt "explanations" for the mood of the American citizens.

At least Mr Sargent hasn't stooped to the level of most of the liberals here. Allbutcertain is all but certain that those who have the nerve to disagree with him are somehow culturally illiterate. yeah, right. That's just denial with a side of condescension. you go pal!

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 19, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Ben Smith at Politico does have a really good narrative on what happened on the money and outside groups for the democrats.

Obama WILL NOT be getting any cooperation from the Republicans on a voluntary basis on Campaign Finance issues - because Obama committed himself to the limits in 2008 and WENT BACK ON HIS WORD.


So the idea that Obama and the democrats would "disarm" on outside groups, and the Republicans would agree to do the same, that is not going to happen, because OBAMA CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.

Obama's conduct in 2008 has cut off a great number of avenues AND TRUST in campaign finance reform.

The democrats REFUSE to discuss this, the REFUSE to talk about the CENTRAL PROBLEM.

The discussion coming from the democrats is not fully honest. Clearly.

Campaign Finance Reform and the loopholes work like this: one side finds a loophole, gains an advantage. So the other side has to find another loophole to catch up on that advantage.

So once one engages in this process, one has not right to come crying foul in the next election cycle. And that is precisely why Obama is being such a DECEPTIVE LIAR on this subject.

Ben Smith describes what Obama has done. Why I'm not entirely sure and if I start telling the story, the democrats will try to attack me or quibble on the details.

I would like to advance that Obama's ego got in the middle of this. Obama's ego caused him to want to control ALL the money on the democratic side.

NOW Obama's incompetence has kicked in, and the democratic money operation is just not working well at all.

First, the ego then the incompetence - the result is a complete mess.

That sequence is beginning to sound REAL FAMILIAR.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Greg, did you know that STRF keeps changing names? His latest one is;

LeafofLife


Also; please look into why the page refreshes so slowly after posting a comment. It is causing some people to double post. It is not that the comment does not go through and post fast. It does, but the page keeps struggling to refresh back to the thread, which gives the false impression that it is not posting the comment.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

And the US Chamber of Commerce is ALL about America:

Among the many lies told by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce recently, chief Chamber lobbyist Bruce Josten said that his organization’s foreign affiliates, called AmChams, are only “comprised of American companies doing business abroad in those countries.” In fact, the Chinese AmCham is comprised of Chinese firms like Northern Light Venture Capital; the AmCham in Russia is comprised of Russian state-run companies like VTB Bank; and, the AmCham of Abu Dhabi is comprised of UAE state-run oil companies.

The ties between the AmChams and the U.S. Chamber are deep. In addition to sharing staff members, the Chinese AmCham has worked closely with the U.S. Chamber and the Chinese government to sponsor a series of seminars in America to teach American businesses how to outsource jobs to China (called the China Grassroots Program).

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/19/chamber-chinese-seminar/

Posted by: pragmaticstill | October 19, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Read Ben Smith's article over at Politico and tell me this does not describe Obama:


"First the ego, then the incompetence - the result is a complete mess."


This is the emerging pattern for Obama

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
You make, as usual, some very solid points. However, I must add my two cents. Even if the ads were factchecked to death (and some have been) I don't think it matters. Some folks will simply ignore the factcheckers as being 'biased' or 'liberal' or part of the 'lamestream media' and thusly easily dismissed by people who don't have any vested interest in the truth. Perfect example, not long ago, I posted a factchecked critique of an article posted by a right wing nutjob/former coworker and her response was those factcheckers are 'related' to this or that entity (don't recall which now) so they're liberal so I don't believe that factcheck. Just like Palin or Angle claim that factcheckers are just people being mean to me. They do what they can to just dismiss true factchecking. I realize that the entire process of factchecking is to speak to the non-nuts who will consider logic and reason. I fear that that number is growing increasingly smaller. My only hope is that factchecking stays and that the more it is done the more that people will hopefully see the BS that some folks are swinging nowadays is just that rather than people being mean. Best, MarcinCharlotte

Posted by: MarcinCharlotte | October 19, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Quick Question (reposted from yesterday and updated to show another name change):

Is anyone fooled for a second by SaveTheRainForest/Classic777/CapitolOrCapital/LeafofLife's frequent name changes?

I doubt there are many humans on this planet that are capable of pounding so much stupid into a single blog posting. Who does he think he is fooling?

And what does it say about him that he insults others by calling them "SaveTheRainForest?" When even YOU consider your name an insult it is time to turn the computer off and go back to fantasizing about Ann Coulter spanking your bare bum with those massive man hands of his until you pass out.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 19, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know what the answer to this problem is. Maybe no amount of fact-checking will penetrate the advertising din these groups have unleashed. But surely the substance of what's in the ads themselves deserves more attention."

Like the other commenters have said, we have a news media that it an utter disgrace and a failure to the nation (present company excepted, naturally). That was proven when the media cheer-led Bush into Iraq like they were the pom-pom squad at a USA high school football game. These so-called news professionals wouldn't know a story if it bit them on the ass. All the blowhards like Brooks and Tweetie Matthews know is what the DC Bubble tells them. Just watch them on TV bloviating about meaningless tripe, declaring daily winners and losers, divorced from all but the Beltway reality. Journalists today are a disgrace to journalism and are one of the reasons the Plutocrats are so bold that they don't even care that people know they are orchestrating a coup funded by secret anonymous money. The Plutocrats know the media is too d*mn lazy to do even the minimal work necessary to follow the transformation of the money from political contribution into government policy. The Plutocracy doesn't fear the news media because the Plutocracy controls the news media.

Posted by: wbgonne | October 19, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The big banks are trying to re-start the foreclosure process. It appears that Obama is BACKING the big banks.

The story being pushed by the big banks is that there is "nothing there."

Well, let's see. There was an excellent article in the Washington Post last week interviewing some Judges in Maryland. The idea was that if the papers submitted in Court were not correct, the cases would be dismissed. Simple.

We will have to see if the big banks are going to get away with it.

The banks basically need the Courts in ALL the states to go along with THEIR version of the law - and you can be assured it is a question of THE REGULAR VERSION OF THE LAW AND THE BANKS' VERSION OF THE LAW.

So we will see.

In addition, the REAL QUESTION is whether the mortgages were PLACED PROPERLY BY THE BIG BANKS INTO THE MORTGAGE PORTFOLIO TRUSTS. NEW YORK STATE TRUST LAW WOULD GOVERN THIS.

Anyway, if the banks commit FRAUD, those individuals SHOULD BE THROWN IN JAIL.


This has not happened. The banks have gotten the idea that they CAN get away with things. Obviously, this is the wrong idea to allow people to have.


The banks should be ALLOWED TO FAIL. All the salaries and bonuses over 7 years should be clawedback.

The economy will only be able to recover when we CLEAR OUT THE BIG BANKS.

The banks are talking like the economy has to clear out the houses, the homeowners who were swindled.

IT IS THE BANKS HAVE TO BE CLEARED OUT SO THE ECONOMY CAN RECOVER.


Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

What was it that George Will said Sunday? The $5B spent on all elections for 2 Nov from county to national is less than Americans spend on potato chips in a year? Puts it in perspective...Quit whining...the Dems aren't getting whipped by attack adds...most of us change the channel as soon as they appear because we know they're all over-emoted ranting anyway. The Dems are getting whipped because they allowed themselves to be co-opted by the fringe left and America thinks they stink at governing. End of story.

Posted by: PanhandleWilly | October 19, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

MarcinCharlotte at 2:11 PM


You have some good points there, however how can anyone have a serious discussion on this topic when one side is diputing whether $500 Billion has been taken by Obama from Medicare into his health care plan ???

Apparently this is EXACTLY what the Washington Post reported was IN THE BILL.

And yet the democrats are somehow claiming it did not happen.

What's worse:

Obama's claim that the health care bill is "paid for." It is NOT.

There is a massive deficit coming related to the health care bill - both on the Federal level and in the States.

These deficits WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH IN THE FUTURE.

Obama and the democrats do not want to talk about that.


FACT CHECK THAT.


.

Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Republicans, the Party Of the Rich, By the Rich, and For the Rich are buying another election.

"They are flooding airwaves across the country with a massive, secret-donor-funded campaign that's designed to tip control of Congress with a campaign of misinformation, distortions and falsehoods that have been widely debunked by independent fact checkers but nonetheless have attracted little to no notice."

Republicans have deceived the "Christian right", middle America, and the Tea Party, who ironically are expressing their anger at the Party that is fixing the problems created by the Republicans.

Posted by: chucky-el | October 19, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The amount of money spent by Jack Abramoff to bribe all those Politicians, amounted to far less than a bag of chips for each American.

George Will trots out that same stupid line, every election cycle.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Timeline of American history from the King of the Baggers

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201010190025
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 19, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Even if the ads were factchecked to death (and some have been) I don't think it matters."

The KEY is one word:

R-E-P-E-T-I-T-I-O-N

Keep at it. Keep hammering. That's the only way.

The more good journalists draw attention to certain issues or certain ads, the more the rest of the MSM swarm of bees will follow. It's like kiddie soccer matches. Everyone follows the ball wherever it goes and there's only one or two kids who display any wherewithal or actual athletic talent... Same here. Make them chase you Greg.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

@greg: "sbj, you somehow missed this part of Crowley's update: "...but I wonder if it might be more common for less-accountable outside groups."

Nice snark - but I didn't miss it. When you can produce some sort of proof that this assumption might be true then we can talk.

Otherwise, the point seems to be that you aren't hearing (as much as you would like) about the inaccuracies in these adverts because it happens all the time.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 19, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Btw, speaking of ads...

More on that disgusting ad in NV telling Latinos not to vote:

-GOP Group Airs Ads That Tell Latinos Not To Vote-

Yesterday, Latinos for Reform — a Republican 527 group — announced that it purchased an $80,000 buy on Univision to air ads urging Nevada Latino voters not to vote. Robert Desposada, a conservative political consultant and political analyst for Univision, has described the ad as an expression of the Latino community’s frustration with the lack of immigration reform. Apparently, telling Latino voters not to vote will somehow empower them. “It’s the only way for Hispanics to stand up and demand some attention,” Desposada claims. “I can’t ask people to support a Republican candidate who has taken a completely irresponsible and bordering on racist position on immigration,” he said about senatorial candidate Sharron Angle (R-NV). (As a side note, the ad doesn’t mention Angle or the fact that Republicans have been obstructing reform for the past year).

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/19/univision-latinos-for-reform/

Just horrible. EVERYONE should vote. That's how we know what America wants out of the political system. In fact, if Latinos want immigration reform they should obviously vote for MORE Democrats. Staying home only emboldens those who oppose immigration reform in the first place.

I seriously hope this ad backfires in a major way. I think it will. It really should.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Technical question:

Is there no way to identify this turkey's computer/server and automatically block it?

Posted by: bernielatham | October 19, 2010
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Have you ever noticed that it's always the same left wingers, intellectual lightweights who can't construct a reasonable argument or compete in the marketplace of ideas, calling for people to be blocked or banned. I'd ask Bernie to haul his freight, you know, take his show on the road, but I really don't want him to leave.

No one uses more words or such pomposity to simply demonstrate ignorance. Seeing him routinely skewered by conservatives on this blog, as they demolish his ludicrous positions and point out the general idiocy of his wild screeds, is a continual source of amusement. He evidently doesn't function well outside of a liberal echo chamber. Too bad.

It would be a bit more interesting, however, if he'd occasionally come up with something original instead of just cutting and pasting, posting links, and parroting drivel---the absurd talking points he picks up from his favorite left-wing hate sites. But, all in all, his life must be rather empty; I suppose that's why he's so full of bile, not to mention B.S. I should probably just pity him.

Posted by: Brigade | October 19, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Call out the lies again and again and again. Repeat yourself 1,000 times if you have to. Don't ever stop.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 1:06 PM
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LOL. It would take him all day every day to call out all of your lies.

Posted by: Brigade | October 19, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Which wacko preacher will she want elevated to the position of Grand Ayatollah?


Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 1:44 PM
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Jeremiah Wright.

Posted by: Brigade | October 19, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I love having Palin posting tweets. It is like watching a Monkey trying to solve a Rubik's Cube puzzle.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 1:14 PM
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Or like watching you try to walk a straight line or tie your shoes.

Posted by: Brigade | October 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse


Why don't we fact-check Obama and what he's been saying on the Campaign trail?

Such as "shovel-ready jobs." David Brooks said Obama told him over a year ago, off the record, there were NO shovel-ready jobs.

Brooks made the admission on the Jim Lehrer Show Friday because Baker had an "on the record" interview with Obama recently and Obama admitted there were NO shovel ready jobs.

So why has Obama been stating this many times for over a year and as recently as a few weeks ago?

Vetting what Obama says may actually create "fact-checking jobs."

Wouldn't that be a change we can believe in.

Posted by: janet8 | October 19, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

[@ 12:55 PM on October 19, 2010 mikefromArlington Wrote and Posted: "Certain attacks..."] abbrev.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =

4)...and selective memory is no excuse for completely missing the significance of the exchange @ Lawyer Twisting School, what you forgot to remember to forget to mention, Arlington, is, not only was O'Donnell Right on, Coon-Hound whined, wee, wee, wee all the way to the moderator when Mist'ah 'worthier than she' could not even begin to recite the FREEDOMS (fools also benefit from) enumerated in the CONSTITUTION of the United States of a Glorious Free America...

Quid Pro Quo, Mikey >

How many jack*sses will fit on the head of a pin?
One, the rest of them are busy trying to be the head of the pin...and how many are there trying?

Do WE even have to go into what these two are offering themselves to US to go up to the Hill to Pledge to uphold and defend???

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 19, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The amount of money spent by Jack Abramoff to bribe all those Politicians, amounted to far less than a bag of chips for each American.

George Will trots out that same stupid line, every election cycle.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 2:26 PM
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What about all that Chinese money the Clintons and Ozone Man Gore sold out their country for?

Posted by: Brigade | October 19, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

All, Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle agree that there's no separation of church and state in the Constitution:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/sharron_angle_and_christine_od.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 19, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Janet8 wrote,
"Why don't we fact-check Obama and what he's been saying on the Campaign trail?"
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LOL. The use of facts is a totally unfamiliar practice to Obama. All you have to check is whether or not his lips are moving. If they are, you know he's lying.

Posted by: Brigade | October 19, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

MarcinCharlotte at 2:11 PM, I'm very glad you are worried about the National Debt. Yes, "these deficits WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH IN THE FUTURE. Obama and the Democrats do not want to talk about that." So let's talk, you and I.

Were you worried when Republican Ronald Reagan doubled the Debt in the 6th year of his presidency, creating more Debt than all 40 presidents before him in over 200 years?

Were you happy when Democrat Clinton inherited huge deficit spending but managed to run a surplus his last 2 years?

Were you terrified that Republican George W. Bush squandered the Clinton surplus and doubled the Debt over his 8 years?

Were you worried that Republicans Reagan, Bush, and Bush, in just 20 years, rang up $11 Trillion of the $13 Trillion Debt in place when Obama became president?

If you voted Democratic and answered YES to all of these questions you have every right to be concerned. If you voted Republican and answered NO to all of these questions you are part of the problem.

In any event we have massive unemployment in America today and every dollar Obama spends employs more Americans. For now, this is the most important thing.

Posted by: chucky-el | October 19, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

These type of articles are hysterical, simply because Sargent is doing exactly what he says the republicans are doing. He's going along with the argument that somehow political contributions to republicans, and ads that benefit republicans are bad because they corrupt the political process. That is, he's arguing the Citizen's United decision was wrong. Yet, he can't apply any analysis to that charge to show that these ads have bought republican votes in Congress because this is the first national election. So, all he and the left have is allegations. Also, somehow, he, doesn't want to talk about the most blatant case, and that is the national unions. The national Unions receive far more outside money that the Chamber and spend far more on elections - and that money is spent 90+ percent for democrats - and that has been going on for a long time. So, if Sargent's reasoning is sound, democrats have consistently been bought and paid for by the Unions? But, apparently that doesn't bother Sargent.

Posted by: termiteavenger | October 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Just following Bush One's example, when he sent Haley Barbour to Hong Kong, to raise millions for the GOP.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

SpendNoMore wrote,
"How many jack*sses will fit on the head of a pin?"
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I'm sure you could fit Liam's and Bernie's brains on the head of a pin.

Posted by: Brigade | October 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse


Yeh Janet, isn't it the worst liberal nightsweat, that the whole middle of the country would wake up one fine morning and realize that the 'First Ever'-in-Chief is just another gas bag, blowing up a Bush-Doll and draggin' it around the stage at Dem Town Haul Meetin's, alternately promising even more mayhem without end, and beating the Doll about the head and stomach, blaming it for all his no-relief in sight problem solving drought.

Who, then, should be ashamed on the Pirate Ship USS Bushdoll-Obama of the failure to direct Odd-Job Czar Joseph Robin(a v)ette Biden to save and/or create those 8 Million Jobs, never to be seen again (according to Mr. 'Fast Eddie' Biden)?

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 19, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"LOL. It would take him all day every day to call out all of your lies."

Name one.

And tell me why it's a "lie".

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 19, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

In any event we have massive unemployment in America today and every dollar Obama spends employs more Americans. For now, this is the most important thing.

Posted by: chucky-el | October 19, 2010 2:50 PM
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If you believe this, you are not only part of the problem, you're just not too bright.

Posted by: Brigade | October 19, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"Univision’s Jorge Ramos, an anchor on the nation’s largest Spanish-language television network, says Obama broke his promise to produce an immigration reform bill within a year of taking office. And Latinos are tired of the speeches, disillusioned by the lack of White House leadership and distrustful of the president."

"He has a credibility problem right now with Latinos,” Ramos said."

"... Words matter,” Telemundo anchor Jose Diaz-Balart said in April on NBC’s “Meet the Press” — adding that Obama’s campaign promise, known as “La Promesa de Obama,” has gone unfulfilled. “We haven’t seen it."

"... They know they are in trouble with the Hispanic community, and the problem in November is the Hispanic vote may be up for grabs again,” Ramos said. “My fear is they might not vote. They don’t feel protected or supported by either party."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40927_Page3.html#ixzz12pf4aexa

Posted by: sbj3 | October 19, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

French strikers step up pressure on Sarkozy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11578674

Civil disobedience is what we need here in the United States. It is the only thing the Plutocrats really fear.

Posted by: wbgonne | October 19, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Brigade is the genius who equated Palin walking away from her elected post of Governor of Alaska, with his decision to quit a job working in a foundry, because the work conditions were too hot.

I guess micro pinhead Brigade believes that he was voted into that foundry job for to serve a four year term.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

What about you Greg, shouldn't We have therefore have seperation of Progressive Liberalism and State?

...and which one are you of the legion fighting to be the one point of denseness on the head of that pin. what ho?

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse


...guess there are pinheads and there are just pin stickers...glad Christine has forsaken the forsaken and renounced that sort of skull-duggery...WE are at least...

still waiting for the answer to today's Quid Pro Quo...

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 19, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Said it many times - the biggest mistake of the Obama administration was deciding to not vigorously pursue criminal charges against the bush administration. rove should be sitting in a federal prison or on trial at te Hague, but instead he is using Chinese and Arab money to lie to Americans and thus undermine our nation once again. He is a festering boil on the ar se of American life.

Posted by: John1263 | October 19, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

janet8 at 2:43 PM


Thank you for pointing that out.


Add that to the list.


The democrats have a major disinformation campaign out there. I am disappointed at Greg Sargent. I thought he would try to be more even-handed in all of this. However, today we have Greg whining that the "truth" has not come out. Well the "truth" is really not what Greg wants it to be. Greg has been taken in by the democratic disinformation campaign that EVEN the WASHINGTON POST'S OWN ARTICLES do not support the disinformation.

Look at the Chamber of Commerce response from yesterday.

It is the Washington Post's own articles which they are emailing to support their positions.

Well.


The election is pretty much over. The American People have made up their minds. Obama and crew can't even come up with a viable issue to put up against their own horrible performance in office.

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Posted by: LeafofLife | October 19, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Com'on y'all, this isn't that hard...answer for a question...ABMSNBDNCNNBS'ers play this all the time...

So Greg, Apples and Poo Poo, we'll play what does Rove and the chamber have in common, if you can answer this riddle:

If Big **ing deal Czar Joe (in a red corvette) Biden let the contract to replace the lighting over The 'First-Ever' in Chief's square desk in the oval office with Flouro-Spirals, how many jobs would be saved or created?

This really has a Scientific Answer (well as scientific as global climate manageability).

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 19, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

To LeafofLife: Check your facts and learn the count Bush43 and his administration took from Social Security Funds to pay for the Iraq War!! Costs of which were NOT included in the Budget.

Posted by: rbsher | October 19, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

To LeafofLife: Check your facts and learn the enormous amount Bush43 and his administration took from Social Security Funds to pay for the Iraq War!! Costs of which were NOT included in the Budget.

Posted by: rbsher | October 19, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"But, all in all, his life must be rather empty; I suppose that's why he's so full of bile, "

From the same thoughtful intellectual who brought us these enlightening comments just on this thread alone:

"Or like watching you try to walk a straight line or tie your shoes."

"All you have to check is whether or not his lips are moving. If they are, you know he's lying."

"If you believe this, you are not only part of the problem, you're just not too bright."

"I'm sure you could fit Liam's and Bernie's brains on the head of a pin."

Is that what you meant when you were talking about constructing a "reasonable argument"?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | October 19, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Bush-Doll 1-43 isn't goin' to pull this gang of pirates numbers up no matter how much CO2 you blow in there, recusitation is futile...

...so it's established what old paradigm supporters are, we just don't know what you are worth, and if you are even qualified to criticize O'Donnell, Angel, Palin, Paladino, or any Amateur in the ring now...

...maybe the boys from the belfrey want to strike out to another flaming left o' America site 'til it cools down here...

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 19, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

What is the mystery here.

Superjerk Karl and his accolytes in the Chamber of commerce are paving the way for a Bush restoration 2012. Will also feature Lynn Cheny as VP. ALL of the other Republican/tea party presidential wannabees will be thrown under the bus wondering how it happened.

Posted by: Modeldon_9 | October 19, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

How dense can you be? Obama's approval rating is dismal and fell in large chunks corresponding to passage of terrible legislation. Rove didn't buy congress, you just have no creativity whatsoever (or humility, for that matter).

I apologize for ad hominim attacks but this liberal broken record is seriously ruining what used to be interesting political dialogue, leaving me completely bored at work.

Posted by: batigol85 | October 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama's approval ratings are six points higer than Reagan's were at the same time in office.

How dense can you be? I think we know the answer to that question. So dense, that no light can ever escape from your noggin.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Hint for LeafofLife:

Your TENDENCY to USE ALL CAPS like you're SCREAMING AT US is very similar to SAVE THE RAINFOREST which, coupled with your talking points, makes me think YOU ARE THE SAME PERSON!!!

Or maybe, like everything else, this is OBAMA'S FAULT, because there is a pattern of CONSERVATIVES USING ALL CAPS when they get angry at him for (insert Scandal Of The Day here).

Posted by: michael_conrad | October 19, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: re: Noggin density.

Six points? Looks to me like it's the same--Obama 50/44 approve/disapprove versus Reagan's 49/40 in 1982.

http://www.whowillwinthe2012election.com/job-approval-2010-obama-reagan/

The Republicans lost 26 seats of 192 seats they were defending that year. This year, the Democrats are defending 235 seats.

For this election cycle, Obama = Reagan is not exactly a positive indicator. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 19, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe one day someone will explain to me the connection between reagan's approval numbers and 2010 elections. until then i can only conclude that this is yet another indication that liberal political thought has completely disappeared.

Posted by: batigol85 | October 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Mel Gibson is going to be in The Hangover 2.

OBAMA CAN'T BE TRUSTED.

Female Wrestler in the "Stand Up For WWE" CT-Sen race announcement thing "Kelly Kelly" has yet to respond in the affirmative to my marriage proposal.

OBAMA CAN'T BE TRUSTED.

Nickelback happened.

OBAMA CAN'T BE TRUSTED.

Posted by: michael_conrad | October 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Chucky-el needs to read the constitution. It is the congress, specifically the house that spends the money. It is fallacious to blame the president for a "failure" to get congress to do what's right. That's not the president's job it is OURS. Blaming Reagan for an out of control congress is to ignore your duty as a voter.

When pork/earmarks became an issue during 04,06 and 08 the conservatives withdrew their support. Many of us still don't trust the old line republican power elite. Mitch McConnell had better toe the line on spending. Other, more forthright Republicans have openly admitted that the party was fired for failing to adhere to the concept of fiscal probity.

Once again chucky, congress spends the money. If you're not OK with that, start the amendment process.

here ya go Chucky, article I section 9 :No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

Where's that budget the Democrats refused to publish? hmmmm?

Then there is this:
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Civil disobedience is what we need here in the United States. It is the only thing the Plutocrats really fear.
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so you want the civil service unions of America to take to the streets? The SEIU is already there. If it is civil disobedience you're advocating, then I guess you have no problems when the black panther deny whitie the right to vote, right?

You have no problem with government workers striking to insure that the gravy train never leaves the station without them right?

What nonsense. did you just buy a thesarus or what? Plutocrats? you mean mean like John, the tax dodger Kerry? did you know he served in Viet Nam?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 19, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Unions can give to candidates without any real restriction, so why can't big business.

Posted by: richard36 | October 19, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Unions disclose their contributions. Why can't Big Business do the same?

Apparently they want to keep the voters in the dark as to why they are trying to install a Republican Puppet Government.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 19, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

What a weak argument liam-still. How much of the money flowing into the union coffers comes from foreign affiliates? Hmmmm?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 19, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Skips falls for the same canard. It's about undisclosed spending, not foreign spending. Personally, the initial focus on the foreign affiliates followed a red herring. It's peanuts. The hundred million plus of anonymous funding is the prize.

The hysteria of the CoC and Crossroads demonstrates that the Democrats have drawn blood on this issue. WIll it be enough to move the needle? At least in the Senate, there's a half dozen jump balls out there. Every inch helps.

Having used up my quota of analogies for the day in a single post, I'll depart. That and I have to go pick up Primo and Secondo from preschool.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | October 19, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I've come to the conclusion that even if a story like this can be reported and reported correctly, it will fall on deaf ears. People evidently don't care. Only liberals care about stuff. People that care about stuff like this are laughed at and called all kinds of names because only a fool tries to change things for the better. Only a fool relies on facts! [Look up Christine O'Donnell's remarks on the 1st Amendment last night.] If you are saying to yourself, "This isn't America," when you read stories such as this one, you are incorrect. This IS America, and America likes its FoxTV and its giant Cokes and Doesn't. Care.
Sigh.

Posted by: Kas300 | October 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I've seen ads running all over the TV.

The GOP has a lot of nerve to blame the worst decade of economic growth this country has ever seen on the people we hired to clean up their mess.

Posted by: langs13 | October 19, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

protect the banks, protect big oil, protect corporations....hell, what about the consumer. If Republicans are in power, they will give all the protection banks, big oil, corporate CEOs,, etc want, while putting the screws to working middle class Americans.

Vote Republican if you are for corporate power and profit over the rights of consumers. The GOP works for these fat cats.

Vote Democrat if you want the small guy to have a fighting chance against all the corporate dollars and lies they are feeding into the air waves.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 19, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

You like GEORGE W. BUSH policies of trickle down economics that trickled down into huge bonuses for CEO’s while middle class worker’s wages flat lined or lessen, then VOTE REPUBLICAN.

Republican’s current platform is identical to Bush’s platform: protect the wealthy, protect big oil, protect wealthy corporate CEOs, etc.

Hey Republican hypocrites, if you don’t want us to talk about Bush, stop pushing the same Bush policies that destroyed this country – – take care of the wealthy while giving middle class scare tactics, distortion (socialism, death panels, WMD, etc) and lies.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

WHY THE REPUBLICANS SUPPORT THE TOP 2%

When it comes to handling middle class problems, the Republicans are clueless. All they know how or want to govern is the top 2% of the very wealthy while ignoring middle class concerns. Hell, if all you legislated for was for 2% of the country while letting special interest groups write the legislation, any idiot could do the job. Republican do nothing for middle class because it is just beyond their governing capability or brain power.

Wait, there is one thing Republicans know how to do for middle class -- distort the truth, block legislation, lie and use scare tactics.

Pledge to America -- take care of the wealthy while giving middle class more George Bush B.S. policies.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 19, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

How do you know how a Repuke will legislate? Just ask a lobbyists working for big oil, banks, wall street and corporate America to get your answer. It was an Exxon lobbyists that wrote their Pledge for America joke. Yet there are middle class Republican sheep who can’t afford a pot to piss in falling for their Bible Thumbing - Wave Flagging rhetoric.

Why do the the wealthy, big oil, banks, wall street want Republicans to win?. Not because they think the Republicans will do what is best for the country – because the Republicans will do what is best for the wealthy.

If you believe George Bush policies works for middle class America, than vote Republican. But if you believe in the overwhelming evidence that Bush policies worked for the wealthy while middle class standard of living declined....vote Democrat.

Posted by: steveeyes | October 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually, we're only quietly smiling right now.

On Nov. 3, we'll be laughing.

Posted by: etpietro | October 19, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Anytime a little Communist hack like Greg Sargent wants to go into a cell, give me a call...I'll weld the door shut.

This little guy is the worst thing in this dreadful paper. That's saying something.

Posted by: PS7900 | October 19, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove and his buddies wouldn't be pouring poison into the ears of voters if voters were not so easily led. Did you know that Sen. Reid was a Nazi sympathizer, worships Satan, and personally benefited financially from certain laws Congress passed? It's true! Karl Rove's TV campaign says it is. No surprise that tidbits like this sway voters toward insane candidates for whom belief trumps facts as if belief makes it true. Voters who care that government operates in the public interest should watch the ads and then do research to validate or invalidate the claims. But that takes work and doesn't reinforce peoples' prejudices. Hence we get a right wing authoritarian back in the White House and heading up each chamber of Congress. Let the bombs start falling. Koch Industries has plans for the money.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | October 19, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

[@ 7:54 PM on October 19, 2010 BlueTwo1 Posted: "Karl Rove...pouring...tidbits..."] Abbrev.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Odd isn't it, whenever an icon from the brink is waved before you eyes, that in a almost pavlovian fit, the standard Seminar postings suddenly appear as if by magic. Hard to tell just what has been poured into your synapses that bring this on, but it is perfectly clear the obtuseness far outweighs any isosceles tendencies y'all may have, and right now WE require balance to make this mess go away, as it should have been well on the way, but isn't...so what we have here is the struggle of little titans and big ogres...there are the icons, of course, the dagons sure and all of these work to cloud men's minds...the shadow knows...

...so shall we just go straight to tea-totalitarianism or would y'all like a couple of weeks to get used to the idea?

...but seriously, if Big **ing deal Czar Joe (in a red corvette) Biden let the contract to replace the lighting over The 'First-Ever' in Chief's square desk in the oval office with Flouro-Spirals, how many jobs would be saved or created?

Two Thousand and Twelve: One Big **ing deal 'First-Ever' in Chief's job saved (keeps green ideas bulb over his head), One 'Green Bulbs' for the White House Czar created, and Two thousand and Ten green jack*sses to turn the ladder while the Bulb Czar *crews the job up.

Posted by: SpendNomore | October 19, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The American voters have a few advantages this year. Unlike the 1994 surprise (Newt and his fellow psychos becoming a Republican majority), people are seeing the extremism of the 2010 Republican candidates, and the big corporate money behind the ads and the 'tea party' brownshirts. The "Coalition to Protect Seniors" and other scams are far more exposed in advance this time.

Posted by: revbookburn | October 19, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse


Greg - I may (may) be able to help you. First I have to say that I am not prone to think in terms of how I wish things to be but simply how they are. This is seen as an abrasive "fault" by most people.

In that light then, it strikes me immediately that your hand-wringing over political attack ads is straight up selective indignation. In other words, you only seem ticked off at half of the ads.

Most of the political ads I hear are clearly filled with falsehoods. Only the drunken and passionate kind that subject themselves to misleading miss that. Those who think only in terms of how they wish things to be - in all its pretentiousness - and then project that would-be truth and fail to see the reality. ALL politicians are liars and hacks. Period.

So here, Greg is your "dilemma"?

"I don't know what the answer to this problem is. Maybe no amount of fact-checking will penetrate the advertising din these groups have unleashed. But surely the substance of what's in the ads themselves deserves more attention.

And now I will quietly retreat into my padded cell. "

You don't know the answer? That is sad. Especially considering that your newspaper, The Washington Post deliberately and with knowledge allows columnists (not opinion pieces mind you) to run articles that are plagiarized from research documents of financed lobbying groups. Wow! Is that not the same thing you criticize Carl Rover for doing? Only in this case, it comes from what is supposed to be a trusted source. Even so, how then can you criticize anyone this wrong doing?

The answer to the problem is to stop seeing the boogeyman in your rear view mirror and see him in your bathroom mirror. You have met the enemy Greg – it’s you. Stop with the selective “outrage and indignation” and see the truth for what it is.

Otherwise check your intellectual honesty at the door and show up as what you are. A paid hack for the Democrat party. At least I know the paid hacks for the Repubelickens admit it upfront. Stop pretending to be a journalist then, when caught at it, defend yourself as only writing opinion. Or maybe you could do the Bill Maher and just say you're trying to be funny.

What I am saying Greg is, you ask these questions under the pretense that you would like to find a way to stop negative campaign ads and especially those you feel are paid for by "outside groups). Like 501c3 groups (gee - where have I heard that before). But the TRUTH is you are only interested in finding a way to stop your "enemy" from doing it.

As for me - you sicken me equally with the other side. I don't have somegreat admiration for Goorge Soreoose (spelling altered to get this post through the screens) but I know you do. Part of your salary comes from him.

So what does that make you?

Hummmmm?

Posted by: ahop2 | October 19, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Greg, maybe you guys should resurrect "hope" and "change" and "yes we can." That really elevated the level of political discourse throughout the nation. It's pathetic how you guys are now whipping out the tired whine about how unfair it is that the Republicans have such a stronger message this time around. I guess that's only a one-way street for you guys, huh?

Posted by: CaughtInAMosh | October 19, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

The GOP's campaign are far less secret donor funded than are the Democrats. Look at the unions. All of the major unions have contributed massively to the Democrats, and at least 10% of their money certifiably comes from foreign sources. Why don't Obama and Biden talk about that? Why? Because the DEMOCRATS are all about lying, innuendos and falsehoods.

Remember, when asked about the sources of donations his liberal extremist group received now White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said: BITE ME! The law doesn't require their disclosure.

Posted by: mike85 | October 20, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The GOP's campaign are far less secret donor funded than are the Democrats. Look at the unions. All of the major unions have contributed massively to the Democrats, and at least 10% of their money certifiably comes from foreign sources. Why don't Obama and Biden talk about that? Why? Because the DEMOCRATS are all about lying, innuendos and falsehoods.

Remember, when asked about the sources of donations his liberal extremist group received now White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said: BITE ME! The law doesn't require their disclosure.

Posted by: mike85
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You codemn the democrats for "secret" funds and in the next sentence state that the funds are certifiably from foreign sources. Doesn't sound particularly secret to me seeing that you know where they come from and all.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | October 20, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

OMG - how can you be so critical of the Republicans? You should be thanking them for all we have in this great country. Look in the mirror you liberal hypocrites! Your leader, Mr. Obama, is the biggest farce this country has ever seen and you just want to roll it all over to him. In actuality I find your comments to be amusing and entertaining. Keep it up! Each day brings a new laugh and another reason we will be better come this November and better still in 2012.

Posted by: Sequoianats | October 20, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

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