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Yes, voters do care about secret cash funding elections!

It has become an article of faith among certain Beltway inside-game commentators that there's no way the Dem attack on secret money funding elections could ever have a prayer of working. Surely the issue is too esoteric, too process-y, and too removed from voter concerns about the economy to resonate.

But a new poll commissioned by MoveOn, and done by the respected non-partisan firm Survey USA, strongly suggests that the issue may indeed matter a good deal to voters after all.

The poll finds that two thirds of registered voters, or 66 percent, are aware that outside groups are behind some of the ads they're seeing. This makes sense, since the issue has dominated the media amid the battle over the huge ad onslaught against Dems funded by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and Karl Rove's groups.

What's more, an overwhelming 84 percent say they have a "right to know" who's bankrolling the ads. And crucially, the poll also found that the issue is resonant when linked to the economy. A majority, 53 percent, are less likely to think a candidate who is backed by "anonymous groups" can be trusted to "improve economic conditions" for them or their families. People don't believe these groups are looking out for their interests.

Here are other key findings from the poll, which was provided to me by a MoveOn official:

* An overwhelming 84% of voters polled, including 80% of Republicans and 81% of Independents, believe voters have a right to know who is paying for ads for a particular candidate.

* Fifty-six percent of voters overall (including 53% of Independents) are less likely to vote for a candidate if they know the ads supporting that candidate are paid for anonymous corporations and wealthy donors.

* Forty-seven percent of all voters are more likely to support a candidate who insists that voters have a right to know who is paying for ads, with only 9% of total voters saying they are less likely to support a candidate who holds that position.

* Almost two out of three voters (63%) do not believe that the anonymous groups running ads hold the voters best interest in mind. This belief is held by 65% of Independent and 70% of Democratic voters.

* A straight majority of total voters (53%) are less likely to trust a candidate to improve economic conditions if that candidate is supported by anonymous groups.

The issues poll similiarly among voters in two key states surveyed, Colorado and Illinois.

Now, there's no way of knowing how important the above sentiments will prove to people's final decisions, which are obviously influenced by a host of factors, most overwhelmingly the economy. And surely some will dismiss this poll because it was commissioned by MoveOn.

But keep in mind: Public polling also shows strong voter concern about corporate influence over our elections. A recent Washington Post poll found an overwhelming majority, 80 percent, opposes the Citizens United decision allowing unfettered corporate spending in elections, including strong majorities in both parties. And 72 percent support Congressional checks on corporate (and union) election spending.

At a minimum, there's simply no grounds for asserting that this issue doesn't have a prayer of influencing voters. If anything, the evidence suggests the opposite may be true. Oh, and one other thing: You can actually look up who paid for this poll for MoveOn, because despite what you keep hearing to the contrary, the group does disclose its donors.

By Greg Sargent  | October 14, 2010; 3:24 PM ET
Categories:  2010 elections, Campaign finance, economy  
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Greg - In general how long does it take for an issue to be reflected in the polls?

This story broke Oct 5th, so it has been a little over a week. It is is going to have an effect that should be noticeable within the next week, right?

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 14, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If we do not know who is paying for all those attack ads against Democrats only, how will we ever be able to put two and two together, when Republicans start passing legislation for those Secret Sinister Paymasters?

If we are never going to be told, who is paying the bribes, how are we every going to catch the bribe takers?

Posted by: Liam-still | October 14, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, that should have read, "If it is going to have an effect..."

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 14, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes we DO care! I, for one, am appalled that shadowy anonymous donors are supporting Dems in Nevada and PA!

"The liberal group VoteVets says it's going up with this ad in Nevada in support of Harry Reid, along two ads in Pennsylvania.

"... The group's leadership is made up of veterans, but it makes no claim that its money comes from veterans.

"Indeed, it is, like Crossroads GPS, a non-profit that doesn't have to disclose its donors. Which is to say that Democrats, too, have the infrastructure for this kind of money, even if they're getting buried by it this year."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1010/VoteVets_for_Reid.html?showall

Posted by: sbj3 | October 14, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, duh!

If the list of secret donors to a local race were revealed, that list would be all over the local news.

If that list contained wealthy individuals, corporations, foreign corporations or foreign governments, it would be on the front page of every newspaper in the country.

Can anyone tell me that the candidate who received funds that that list would pick up votes? Nay, nay.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | October 14, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Boycott the Chamber of Commerce and its member businesses until they reveal their secret donors. Full disclosure NOW!

Posted by: wbgonne | October 14, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

DID THE VOTERS CARE ABOUT THIS CASH IN 2004???


A total of $439,709,105 was spent by these organizations alone,

$307,324,096 of which was spent by Democratic/liberal groups and


$132,385,009 of which was spent by Republican/conservative groups.

The four largest groups were all liberal groups:

America Coming Together $78,040,480

Joint Victory Campaign 2004 $72,588,053

Media Fund $57,694,580

Service Employees International Union $47,695,646

_________________________

We can write up what happend in 2006 and 2008


Obama raised $700 Million in 2008


A little bit of knowledge makes this issue a dog for the democrats.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

If the average voter took the time to peruse the internet to get their news there wouldn't even be a discussion about whether the GOP will take over the House.
However, I doubt whether the Dems have enough time left to make the connection for mid term voters that the CofC/GOP DON'T CARE about you. They never have nor ever will.

Posted by: filmnoia | October 14, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Question is whether this will affect voting patterns. I doubt it.

Posted by: DDAWD | October 14, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Isn't some of this misleading?

"Voters have a right to know who is paying for ads for a particular candidate."

Aren't the ads funded by 501c4s so-called "issue ads" that do NOT support a candidate?

Posted by: sbj3 | October 14, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

DID THE VOTERS CARE ABOUT THIS CASH IN 2004???


A total of $439,709,105 was spent by these organizations alone,

$307,324,096 of which was spent by Democratic/liberal groups and


$132,385,009 of which was spent by Republican/conservative groups.

The four largest groups were all liberal groups:

America Coming Together $78,040,480

Joint Victory Campaign 2004 $72,588,053

Media Fund $57,694,580

Service Employees International Union $47,695,646

_________________________

We can write up what happend in 2006 and 2008


Obama raised $700 Million in 2008


A little bit of knowledge makes this issue a dog for the democrats.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Why are Secret Sinister Forces trying to elect Republicans? They must have been promised that Republicans will rubber stamp everything that the Wall St. Robber Barons ask for.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 14, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Who actually believe that an "issue ad" doesn't support one candidate over another? I mean c'mon! Let deal with reality here.

Posted by: Alex3 | October 14, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Greg

I think a little more information should be there for MoveOn.org

I read that in the 2004, 2006 and 2008 election cycles, MoveOn.org did NOT disclose their donors.


It was ONLY in 2009 that MoveOn.org CHANGED their states and began to disclose.


This should be checked out - and it should be precisely told.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"84 percent say they have a "right to know" who's bankrolling the ads"

HA!

#shadowgopfail

Dems need to get on the stick and push back.

"Every single one of the flood of ads supporting the Republican candidate is suspect."

Is something along the lines of what they should be saying imho.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

From wiki:


Under federal election law, coordination between an election campaign and a 527 group is not allowed. The heavy spending of key 527 groups to attack presidential candidates brought complaints to the Federal Elections Commission of illegal coordination between the groups and rival political campaigns. These formal complaints included:

On May 5, 2004, the Republican National Committee accused MoveOn.org, The Media Fund, America Coming Together and America Votes of coordinating their efforts with the John Kerry campaign.
On August 20, 2004, John Kerry's campaign accused Swift Boat Veterans for Truth of coordinating their efforts with the George W. Bush campaign.
Several people who were involved with both organizations removed themselves to avoid the appearance of conflict. Attorney Benjamin Ginsberg pointed out that it was not uncommon or illegal for lawyers to represent campaigns or political parties while also representing 527 groups. For example, Washington attorney Joe Sandler simultaneously represented the Democratic National Committee and a 527 group airing anti-Bush ads, the MoveOn.org Voter Fund.

In 2006 and 2007 the FEC fined a number of organizations, including MoveOn and Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, for violations arising from the 2004 campaign. The FEC's rationale was that these groups had specifically advocated the election or defeat of candidates, thus making them subject to federal regulation and its limits on contributions to the organizations.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Great!!!! Maybe now we can get to the bottom of why Obama NEVER disclosed $25,289,671 in his 2008 campaign donations:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=n00009638

(SaveTheRainforest: they obviously don't care about 2004 or 2008 ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 14, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

@strf: Greg is well-aware that MoveOn used to have a 501c4 that supported Dem causes and that it was only recently disbanded - he simply chose not to make that clear in this post.

Posted by: sbj3 | October 14, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I'd like to see a story about how lazy the NYT and WaPo reporters were in covering this story. Now that we know there is $800,000 in PUBLICLY disclosed funds paid in the Chamber of Commerce by foreign sources, can we get a correction from the reporters? Obviously they didn't try very hard to look into this. Just interviewed the Chamber of Commerce and then shut down their reporting.

Posted by: Alex3 | October 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

* GOP Candidate Bob Gibbs Calls On FEC To Audit The Chamber Of Commerce *

TP: One of the interesting things that was discussed in the debate was third-party spending, particularly with the Chamber of Commerce. They’ve been putting up tens of thousands of advertising dollars in the district on your behalf. Are you comfortable with the fact that they refuse to disclose their donors and that many of those are foreign companies and state-backed foreign companies?

GIBBS: Let’s be clear. It’s illegal for them to take donations from foreign nationals, just like it’s illegal in my campaign to do that. There’s absolutely a firewall. They segregate any funds…

TP: So you trust them? Because they’re system, they say they just have a system and just to trust them and their system because they won’t disclose it. You’re willing to trust them?

GIBBS: I wouldn’t have a problem with the Federal Election Commission having the ability – I don’t know if they do or not – to go in and audit them and make sure that they had the firewall.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/14/gibbs-fec-chamber/

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

OK Maybe MoveOn.org closed its 527 around June 20, 2008

from Talking Points Memo

MoveOn, the advocacy group supporting Barack Obama, has decided to permanently shutter its 527 operation, partly in response to the Illinois Senator's insistence that such groups should not spend on his behalf during the general election, I've learned from the group's spokesperson.

MoveOn's decision, which will dramatically impact the way it raises money on Obama's behalf, is yet another sign of how rapidly Obama is taking control of the apparatus that's gearing up on his behalf.

By shuttering its 527, MoveOn is effectively killing its ability to raise money in huge chunks from labor unions, foundations, and big donors who would give over $5,000.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"an overwhelming 84 percent say they have a "right to know" who's bankrolling the ads"

‘Are You Guys Eventually Going To Disclose?’ Chamber Responds Bluntly, ‘No!’

http://thinkprogress.org/


Uppity serfs don't know their place!

Posted by: wbgonne | October 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Karl Rove and The Chamber of Commerce are not running issue ads. They are running attack ads against specific Democratic candidates. That is the difference. They are openly partisan attack ads against specific Democrats. That is whyh people need to know That A Secret Sinister Cabal of Wall St. Robber Barons, are trying to install a Republican Puppet Government, which will take orders only from The Wall St. Robber Barons, and the Companies that want tax breaks for sending production jobs to other countries.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 14, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

sbj3:

One of these days, our gracious host is going to actually look in the mirror when he's making these groundless accusations!

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 14, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It has become an article of faith among certain Beltway inside-game commentators that there's no way the Dem attack on secret money funding elections could ever have a prayer of working.
==========================

There's nothing new about this, Greg. Remember when everything was good news for Republicans in 2006? Or EXCELLENT News for McCain in 2008?

The fact that they were completely wrong had no effect on their careers (nor did being completely wrong about Iraq, years earlier).

As long as you're spinning for the Plutocrat Party, you'll get to keep your pundit job in D.C.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 14, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Alex3:

$800,000 is still less than $25,289,671.

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 14, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Greg

MoveOn.org spent $21,565,803 in 2004 through a 527 that did NOT disclose its contributors.


AND it has been FINED for violating the Federal Campaign rules.


AND just because MoveON changed its status between the primary and the general in 2008, doesn't mean it disclosed everything in 2008 either.


Instead, the $700 MILLION went DIRECTLY to Obama's campaign through QUESTIONABLE CREDIT CARD MACHINES.

This is getting ridiculous - first you want to slam Christine O'Donnell because she attended a class on Oxford campus, but the class was run by another Institute - but we get this story about MoveOn.org.

The numbers DO NOT support the rhetoric here.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The moral of the story: Just because this is a capitalist society does NOT mean that the people think the government should be for sale.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 14, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

America Coming Together $78,040,480

Joint Victory Campaign 2004 $72,588,053

Media Fund $57,694,580

Service Employees International Union $47,695,646

_____________________________

NOW Obama is complaining about $50 Million that went through the Chamber of Commerce


THAT is a joke - it is A DECEPTION.


I don't know about any of you - but I EXPECT MORE FROM THE LEADER OF THIS COUNTRY.


It is completely inappropriate for Obama to frame this issue out this way - to single out one group -


OBAMA HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS - and to go up there as he has is just wrong.


AMERICA DESERVES BETTER


OBAMA MUST RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

America Coming Together $78,040,480

Joint Victory Campaign 2004 $72,588,053

Media Fund $57,694,580

Service Employees International Union $47,695,646

_____________________________

NOW Obama is complaining about $50 Million that went through the Chamber of Commerce


THAT is a joke - it is A DECEPTION.


I don't know about any of you - but I EXPECT MORE FROM THE LEADER OF THIS COUNTRY.


It is completely inappropriate for Obama to frame this issue out this way - to single out one group -


OBAMA HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS - and to go up there as he has is just wrong.


AMERICA DESERVES BETTER


OBAMA MUST RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

OT:

* Is David J. Stern the poster boy for the foreclosure mess? *

[Former employee] Kapusta also testified that once a lender referred a case to Stern's firm, any later payments by the homeowner were simply ignored:

Q: What if a homeowner made payment?

A: That was never there.

Q: If that happened, it was never reflected.

A: No.

Kapusta added that she was "yelled at" for trying to talk to homeowners on the phone. "You're giving them too much time," she said she was told. "Everything was about getting the judgment entered because we have to report back to the banks."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101014/bs_yblog_upshot/is-david-j-stern-the-poster-boy-for-the-foreclosure-mess

"any later payments by the homeowner were simply ignored"

That's just F'd up.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Jake

If the democrats continue to deceive and lie like this, they are just proving that they are not fit to govern.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Gang Of Five Right Wing Activists on the Supreme Court provided a way for a Secret Sinister Cabal of Robber Barons to launder their bribes to Republicans, by using Karl Rove and The Chamber Of Con Artists as middle men.

Posted by: Liam-still | October 14, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

MoveOn.org spent $21,565,803 in 2004 through a 527 that did NOT disclose its contributors.

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Do you ever try to know what you are talking about before you spout off?

527s Do disclose any contribution over $200.

I know they aren't trustworthy and tend towards the crazy, but here is something the Republicans put out showing the difference between a 527 and a 501C4.

http://www.citizensclubforgrowth.org/images/RSC-527-vs-501c4.pdf

And here is a nice analysis of the problems with 527s

http://www.campaignfinance.org/tracker/Fall02/publiccitizen.html

The Plum Line needs a better group of Conservatives. SBJ and Kevin are great, but the two above show a marked lack of intellect.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 14, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"The Gang Of Five Right Wing Activists on the Supreme Court provided a way for a Secret Sinister Cabal of Robber Barons to launder their bribes to Republicans, by using Karl Rove and The Chamber Of Con Artists as middle men."

And THAT is a direct hit!

Posted by: wbgonne | October 14, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

You're d*mn right we care!! - and apparently 84% of the public agrees with Pres. Obama's opposition to the farrrr right extremist Roberts' Court that gave the keys to our democracy to corporations and billionaires!!

Posted by: angie12106 | October 14, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

FACT: Unions are required by federal LABOR law to disclose all donations and donors.

Why do Fox & Frightwing radio keep their followers dumbed down with lies?

Posted by: angie12106 | October 14, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I want to know WHO thinks it's OK to take foreign money.

Does Karl Rove know it constitutes treason?

Does he care?

Posted by: vigor | October 14, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

At the end of the day, the Washington Post is heavily, heavily dependent on the advertising money that comes from the Chamber of Commerce, and so they and other media outlets can't afford to shine light on these issues.

Posted by: constans | October 14, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

And lest we even temporarily lose sight of the true aim, here it is once again:

"One in four dollars raised by Daniel M. Donovan Jr., the Republican candidate for New York attorney general, can be traced to a $17 billion hedge fund whose chief executive has emerged as a staunch and influential defender of Wall Street this election year, campaign records show. The scale of the donations from those tied to the fund, Elliott Management, is striking because outside of the federal government, perhaps no single office has as much power to police the financial industry as New York’s attorney general."

And THAT My Friends is what it is all about for the GOP, Conservatives, and Big Business. Control the government and let the SuperRich run wild and trample the American Middle Class. The Chamber of Commerce, like Fox, is merely a transport vehicle.

Posted by: wbgonne | October 14, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

PaciolisRevenge

Your hostility is misplaced and inappropriate


YOU should look up your laws - the laws changed in 2000, and with McCain Feingold


But then the lawsuits did NOT uphold those laws - so it was ALWAYS LEGAL.


You just don't get it


You get all hostile, but you are always wrong.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

OUCH!

CoC = scumbags

‘U.S.’ Chamber Of Commerce Funded By Top Offshoring Companies

The Chamber’s anti-American jobs agenda serves not only the profit-seeking of right-wing corporate executives in the United States, but also works to send jobs overseas to the following outsourcing companies, who are some of the dozens of foreign corporations that pay member dues to the Chamber of Commerce’s 501c(6) account, which is used to fund its political ads:

– KPIT Cummins, Pune, India (at least $7,500 in annual member dues): “Strategic global networking, together with industry-proven practices & processes, give KPIT Cummins a cutting edge in the realm of outsourcing.”

– Patni Americas, Mumbai, India ($15,000): “Patni, the world leader in IT outsourcing and business process outsourcing provides offshore software development, global sourcing, custom software development, and a vast array of product engineering and IT services to companies worldwide.”

– NIIT Technologies, Delhi, India ($15,000): “[L]eadership in the area of outsourcing.”

– QuEST Global, Singapore ($7,500): “QuEST is a leader in the engineering services outsourcing (ESO) space.”

– Rolta, Mumbai, India ($7,500): “Rolta’s global footprint and track record along with its capable off-shoring model gives it a unique positioning in this large market.”

– SKP Crossborder Consulting, Mumbai, India ($7,500): “SKP’s core outsourcing practice is managed out of a fully equipped, spacious premises based in Pune with access to facilities in Mumbai, Hyderabad, Delhi and Bangalore.”

– Wipro, Bangalore, India ($15,000): “India’s biggest destination for U.S. offshoring.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/14/u-s-chamber-of-commerce-funded-by-top-offshoring-companies/

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

vigor - Actually it isn't treason. It isn't even illegal.

And no, Rove doesn't care.

Do you remember John J. Dilulio, the former Bush administration guy, saying the following, "What you've got is everything--and I mean everything--being run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

Rover doesn't care about policy at all, the only thing that matters is politics and winning. Lie, steal, cheat and do whatever it takes to win, that is Karl Rove.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 14, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

vigor,

"Taking foreign money" does NOT constitute "treason." I hate it when anyone trots out the "treason" charge.

There is only one crime defined in the Constitution: treason. In fact, the Constitution defines not only the crime, but the minimum proof needed to convict someone of treason:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

Federalist No. 43 explains why the Constitutional Convention included this provision:

"As treason may be committed against the United States, the authority of the United States ought to be enabled to punish it. But as new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other, the convention have, with great judgment, opposed a barrier to this peculiar danger, by inserting a constitutional definition of the crime, fixing the proof necessary for conviction of it, and restraining the Congress, even in punishing it, from extending the consequences of guilt beyond the person of its author."

Please don't do what the Bushies did, and howl "treason" at every action of the conservatives.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 14, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that is actually funny...

A poll taken by an organization funded by undisclosed donors, to see if the public is concerned about organizations funded by undisclosed donors....

Yet the author trys to make it sound like this is something new the republicans just came up with? ? ? . . .

Ridiculous... MoveON was one of the first such organizations and it is left leaning and funds democrats. Remember it started out to support President Bill Clinton during his sex scandel(s).. Hence the name MoveON.

This poll and this article is just plain dumb.

Posted by: robinTX54 | October 14, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

YOU should look up your laws - the laws changed in 2000, and with McCain Feingold

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MoveOn.org spent $21,565,803 in 2004 through a 527 that did NOT disclose its contributors.

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So according to you 2000 came after 2004.

I try not to be blunt, but you are an... Well, you really don't know what you are talking about.

Doesn't this blog have a moderator?

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 14, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

PaciolisRevenge


Foreign money is illegal in federal elections. There is no dispute about that.


For a 527 to be required to have disclosure, a committee has to be attempting to influence the selection, nomination, appointment or election of an individual.


WE all know the difference between issue ads and direct advocacy ads.


You are simply getting on this blog attempting to be hostile - which is completely inappropriate.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

wbgonne conects the dots perfectly....

""One in four dollars raised by Daniel M. Donovan Jr., the Republican candidate for New York attorney general, can be traced to a $17 billion hedge fund whose chief executive has emerged as a staunch and influential defender of Wall Street this election year, campaign records show. The scale of the donations from those tied to the fund, Elliott Management, is striking because outside of the federal government, perhaps no single office has as much power to police the financial industry as New York’s attorney general."

And THAT My Friends is what it is all about for the GOP, Conservatives, and Big Business. Control the government and let the SuperRich run wild and trample the American Middle Class. The Chamber of Commerce, like Fox, is merely a transport vehicle."

Bingo! This story resonates because it IS about the economy. It directly correlates to what the financial future is going to be for 98% of the American public if the GOP and their corporate cronies succeed in buying this election.

Maybe everyone who was sampled in this poll hasn't completely made the connection to the future of their own personal financial situation but clearly they are beginning to see the big picture.

Posted by: elscott | October 14, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

My highlighting this story is probably some form of "propaganda". The story itself is, I'm sure, entirely neutral. With that out of the way, Barry is going to give a speech in Mumbai post mid-term election. The final paragragh of the article is perhaps the most interesting:

"The U.S.-India Business Council, formed in 1975 to advance commercial ties between the world’s two largest free-market democracies, is hosted under the aegis of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the world's largest business federation representing more than 3 million businesses and organizations of every size, sector and region."

He's going to cancel right?

http://www.indusbusinessjournal.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=Publishing&mod=Publications::Article&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=15A62385BD5F40F7A7043601CD39181E

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | October 14, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

We have MAJOR CRISES in this country. Jobs, foreclosures, credit...

And THIS is the disgusting bull___t that the GOP comes up with:

THE IMPEACHMENT PROJECT

"This might be our last chance to save freedom in America."

That's the message a piece of direct mail sent out by the National Campaign for an Impeachment Inquiry, a project of The Conservative Caucus, which is calling -- as their name would suggest -- for the impeachment of President Barack Obama.

Why you ask? Well, for one, there's "ObamaCare," which TCC brands as an effort to "control the people." Also, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro like Obama and his "march of America toward Socialism, or worse."

The flyer, obtained by TPMMuckraker, includes a "national ballot of 5,000,000 registered voters" on "Whether Congress Should Launch An Impeachment Inquiry Into President Barack Hussein Obama's Assault On Our Constitution."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/the_latest_in_conservative_direct_mail_impeach_obama.php

Foreclosures...
Jobs...
Credit...
Small biz...
Manufacturing...
Energy...

Any of that concern the GOP?

NOPE!

Just bringing down the Leader of the Free World by any means necessary.

GOP = Disgusting Bull___t.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Voters care more about lying. Lying is very important to the voters. Especially if the lying is coming from Obama. Secret cash. Where is this secret cash? Since when is a lie a bases and the foundation of the truth. The so called lie bas been the foundation of the ads the Democrats have had for years and years and yet no Republican ever said a word. Now that the money for ads against the Democrats isn't coming from Soros, it's a problem. Let's not have double standards shall we. What's good for the left is good for the right.

Posted by: houstonian | October 14, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

For a 527 to be required to have disclosure, a committee has to be attempting to influence the selection, nomination, appointment or election of an individual.

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MoveOn.org spent $21,565,803 in 2004 through a 527 that did NOT disclose its contributors.

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So either A) Moveon was not trying to influence elections or B) You don't know what you are talking about.

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 14, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

PaciolisRevenge


You are so intent on deception that you don't want to ADMIT THE CENTRAL ISSUE : the democrats have done the SAME THING as the Republicans


AND with FAR MORE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.


You are lying about what has gone on -


AND it was all LEGAL -


Obama's actions have been 100% inappropriate for a leader of a country - and he should NOT be out there accusing individual groups of doing things wrong


If Obama wants the law changed, propose the change, but what Obama has done is wrong


YOU don't want to ADMIT THAT THERE IS BLOOD ON OBAMA'S HANDS.


LET'S INVESTIGATE ALL OF OBAMA'S CREDIT CARE MACHINES.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

the poll data is in my mind useless. The problem is simple, the questions are leading.

by mentioning things like "masking" the pollsters are raising a concern that the respondent may not have even considered.

I have the same concern with the question about rights. Since most repondents stated that they didn't think ads would change their minds (65%), I doubt they paid much attention to the entire "disclosure" issue. the question raises the issue and therefore distorts the answers.

These are leading questions. Once again we see the Democrats waving a bright shiny object in the face of the electorate in the hopes that this will distract us from the mess they've made.

won't work.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | October 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Paco - the hostile poster


This is what I said - and clarified -

In addition MoveON.org was fined for breaking the law for coordinated expenditures.

_________________________

America Coming Together $78,040,480

Joint Victory Campaign 2004 $72,588,053

Media Fund $57,694,580

Service Employees International Union $47,695,646


_____________________________


NOW Obama is complaining about $50 Million that went through the Chamber of Commerce


THAT is a joke - it is A DECEPTION.


I don't know about any of you - but I EXPECT MORE FROM THE LEADER OF THIS COUNTRY.


It is completely inappropriate for Obama to frame this issue out this way - to single out one group -


OBAMA HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS - and to go up there as he has is just wrong.


AMERICA DESERVES BETTER


OBAMA MUST RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

BTW: Last time I checked in the United States people (including corporations) were protected by certain inallienable rights as set forth in the Bill Of Rights.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Do you honestly believe it is correct for the President of The United States to proclaim publically that a person or corporation should be searched or investigated or warrants issued when no evidence exists, and no person has made a sworn statement that they have knowledge of an offense? BTW: The law does not consider a blog comment a sworn statement, especially not when the blogger never worked for that organization.

I think that we should expect the President to uphold the law(s) of our land rather than proclaim soneones guilt with no evidence... don't you think?

Posted by: robinTX54 | October 14, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama has abused his office to such an extent he should be impeached as soon as possible.


Obama needs to start to understand what is expected of someone in his office.


Up to this point, Obama's job performance has been nothing but a pathetic ego trip.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The democrats all go nuts over a candidate wearing an SS uniform in a re-enactment.

However, a Democratic candidate performing an act on a sex toy attached to the nose of a man seems to be OK.

http://politics.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978583856
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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Moveon does disclose. You are making the same stupid mistake that Scarborough made, then had to retract, just the other day.

http://www.politicalruminations.com/2010/10/video-morning-joe-forced-to-retract-his-false-equivalency-between-the-chamber-and-moveonorg.html

Here is a list of all those who donate to moveon.

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/com_ind/2009_C00341396

Posted by: PaciolisRevenge | October 14, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

NBC asks "Is something going on in Alaska?"

@firstread:

It very well could be that Alaska's three-way Senate contest is more of a contest than Florida's three-way. Consider: Scott McAdams (D) has raised a significant amount of money by Alaska standards ($685,000 in the past quarter) and his ads are compelling (the Hulk tie and the Inouye endorsement were interesting tributes to Ted Stevens); Joe Miller (R) hasn't been running a very good race (see: his press conference announcing that he wouldn't take questions about his past); and there is uncertainty (anecdotally from folks in the Anchorage business community) that Lisa Murkowski can't win a write-in campaign. In fact, the McAdams fundraising surge (again, by Alaska standards) may be evidence that some in Anchorage biz community are their hedging bets. Bottom line: Don't be surprised if we begin to see a McAdams surge, or if we begin to see some outside groups jump and, well, muck around.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/10/14/910357/-AK-SEN:-NBC-asks-Is-something-going-on-in-Alaska

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Paco

That is not the point - the point is the democrats have DONE THE SAME THING

AND WITH TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MORE THAN THE REPUBLICANS


How thick are you?

Yes, robin you are right


Obama should be impeached - his conduct has been inappropriate.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse


Paco the hostile


Show us all the disclosure of George Soros money -


Let's see that.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

* GOP pollster warns candidates on 'repeal and replace' *

As the November elections approach, House Republican leaders are trying to capitalize on public dislike of the new health-care law - about half of voters oppose it - by vowing to "repeal and replace" it. But that's a risky approach for individual GOP candidates, warns Republican pollster Bill McInturff, a partner of Public Opinion Strategies, a national political and public affairs survey research firm. The reason: Many people already are enjoying some popular new benefits, which include allowing adult children to remain on parents' policies until the age of 26 and a prohibition on insurers' rescinding coverage when people get sick.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/13/AR2010101308185.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Paco

Where is George Soros's name ??

NOT on that list


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I really don't waste my time watching political ads. I already know what I need to know--Democrats raise taxes, Republicans lower them.

Posted by: jibe | October 14, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

House Republican Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, made a surprise visit into Tallahassee on Thursday where he stopped by the private Governor's Club for a lunchtime event.

[...]

A protest is scheduled near the site of the Southerland fundraiser to highlight what is called Boehner's plan to help with the "corporate takeover" of Washington.

So it was interesting that Boehner refused to say why he was in Tallahassee or at the Governor's Club, whose members include many of the city's most powerful and influential lobbyists.

"I just wanted to have lunch with some of my friends," Boehner said.

http://findout.typepad.com/the_fine_print/2010/10/house-republican-leader-john-boehner-r-ohio-made-a-surprise-visit-into-tallahassee-on-thursday-where-he-stopped-by-the-priv.html

I wonder if he was meeting with David J. Stern, poster-child for the foreclosure fraud scandal.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Paco

ONE costume is OK with you - the other is NOT OK?


that is EXACTLY WHAT I said.

Funny how you keep on agreeing with EXACTLY what I say.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Disgusting.

* Wall St. pins foreclosure fiasco on homeowners *

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39674290/ns/business-real_estate/

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

America Coming Together $78,040,480

Joint Victory Campaign 2004 $72,588,053

Media Fund $57,694,580

Service Employees International Union $47,695,646


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LOOK at all this money - the democrats are trying to STEAL OUR DEMOCRACY


Which is EXACTLY the complaint of the Tea Party, by the way.

So, in a way Obama and the Tea Party have agreed on that point.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

HA! OMG.

THE FELLOWSHIP TOOK ALLEGED TERRORIST MONEY!

An outfit that runs a controversial Christian boardinghouse for members of Congress looks to have taken money from an organization that federal prosecutors have accused of funding Islamic terrorism. And a group of Ohio pastors wants the feds to get involved.

Clergy Voice, a progressive activist group, has asked the IRS to probe whether the Fellowship, a secretive Christian organization best known for hosting the National Prayer Breakfast each year, illegally received $50,000 from the Islamic American Relief Agency in 2004. That year, the Senate Finance Committee put the IARA on a list of terror financiers. As a tax-exempt entity, the Fellowship is barred from dealing with such groups.

In an interview with the Washington Post, the Fellowship's president, Richard Carver, appeared to acknowledge that his group had accepted the money

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101014/pl_yblog_upshot/powerful-christian-group-took-alleged-terror-money

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

jibe, congratulations -- how lovely for you.

"I really don't waste my time watching political ads. I already know what I need to know--Democrats raise taxes, Republicans lower them."

You must be one of those elite few taxpayers who make over $250,000 per year. I guess you're scared that you might soon have to pay your taxes at the same rate that you did when Ronald Reagan was President.

I know it must hurt, but take heart, you'll probably still do OK.

Posted by: elscott | October 14, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Ethan

This foreclosure fraud scheme is interesting in a couple of ways. Number one we're hearing a lot of the usual suspects try to pass it off as a technical snafu and also try to quiet the thing down because we wouldn't want the banks to be threatened by their own malfeasance.

And number two, this time they didn't just mess with the homeowners they're foreclosing on, they've messed with a lot of investors on the back end of the deals. Some of these individuals and groups won't take too kindly to being hoodwinked and have a lot more clout than us regular folks.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 14, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Ethan

Why is Obama protecting the big banks on the foreclosure crisis???


The point of the lawyers in all this is to try to force modification negotiations - but Obama appears to be working against them.


IN addition, there are numerous people who say that the Obama administration was told over and over again over the past year and a half that the banks were engaging in these practices.

Obama has almost been a part of the cover-up.


Yea - maybe it is TIME to start to open your eyes on the influence of big money on the democrats.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes, lmsinca.

It's truly insane. These banks are pure greed, pure evil.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Imsinca

EXACTLY - the REASON the banks are messing around with fraudulent document is they want to avoid problems with their CDO holders.


The lawyers for those CDO holders are about to POUNCE.


Those lawyers will say that the bad mortgages were NEVER placed into the trusts properly - therefore the BANKS STILL OWN THEM.


The mortgage portfolios will demand compensation. Besides, they were promised good mortgages, not bad ones - another fraud.


The big banks are about to realize they are INSOLVENT - Obama and our Federal agencies would be wise to step in on THAT BASIS as soon as possible.


The banks should be taken over

The BONUSES AND SALARIES SHOULD BE CLAWEDBACK FOR 7 YEARS


They are all ill-gotten gains.

The Banks will cry doomsday - but IT IS THEY WHO SHOULD BE FORECLOSED ON - THROWN OUT OF THEIR HOUSES.


This should happen swiftly - and the paperwork WILL BE DONE PROPERLY.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Check THIS out:

Early in the debate, O'Donnell told the audience, "He paid $53,000 in a men's fashion show."

[...]

The genesis of O'Donnell's claim seems to be on the blog Freedomist.com, where Pennsylvania writer Paul Collier posted a document labeled "FY 2008 Community Events From County Executive Contingency Fund."

The document shows an expenditure of $53,000 to Our Youth, Inc., for a "men of style fashion show / reception." It also shows $52,500 to the AFL-CIO for a banquet, which O'Donnell also referenced in the debate, saying "He paid another more than $50,000 to appease liberal special interest groups."

[...]

"The five should be a dollar sign," the county executive spokeswoman, Angie Basiouny, told TPM. Other numbers cited on Collier's doc -- $5,600 for a golf tournament, $5,180 for a crab feast -- are only $600 and $180, respectively, according to the official government documents.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/did_chris_coons_really_spend_53000_on_a_mens_fashi.php

They FAKED the totals by changing the dollar sign to a 5!!!

$53,000 = $3,000
$52,500 = $2,500
$5,600 = $600
$5,180 = $180

Christine O'Donnell used this FRAUDULENT attack to lie to voters in the debate!

Either she's too stupid to fact check her own assertions.

Or this is an INTENTIONAL ATTEMPT to deceive Delawarians.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | October 14, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe like Angle, she just read it somewhere.

Posted by: lmsinca | October 14, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

This is great - the more Obama, the Dems and the Post whine about the money the GOP and their allies have collected, the more money these groups get! Keep Whining Dems, in 19 days you will be put out of your misery once and for all.

Posted by: Realist201 | October 14, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Ethan

sounds like Coons' people made the mistake, and you are blaming someone else


Manchin doesn't know what an independent expenditure


The democrats have their Congressmen keeping cash in the refrigerator,

- living in rent controlled apartments in New York

- practicing nepotism

- and messing around with scholarship programs

- and the democrats are NOT sure if Guam is about to capsize.


SOME GROUP OF DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN ELECTED


Christine O'Donnell will be an improvement.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | October 14, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

in 19 days you will be put out of your misery once and for all.

Posted by: Realist201
+++++++++++++

The Republicans have latched onto the "Final Solution"? That brings new meaning to Iott's "costume".

Posted by: bearclaw1 | October 14, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Lions and tigers and bears and $$$ in politix.

Oh My!

"...Democrats have received $482 million, or 53%, of the $911 million donated to all congressional candidates and political parties from corporate political-action committees or individuals who work for companies, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Democrats have also collected 93% of the $49 million donated by labor unions."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704164004575548451695013866.html?KEYWORDS=center+for+responsive+politics#printMode

It is what it is...Aka: Mother's Milk.

The issue that CU "opened the floodgates" and the dark, nefarious, corporate types are bankrolling the GOP plot for the {{{giggle}}} end of democracy is, uh, insulting to non-rubes, but apparently effective as the dickens to libs in a PT Barnum sorta way.

And it's workin' workin' overtime at PL!!!

Posted by: tao9 | October 14, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/10/happy_hour_roundup_109.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | October 14, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

maybe unions should spent a percentage of their money they spend on ads on dems and a percentage on republicans...
they can ask those that contribute which side they want they money spent on...
thats fair...
isn't it...

Posted by: DwightCollins | October 14, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

That political hacks trapped inside the beltway would feel "voters don't care about secret funding of election campaigns" is kinda silly. Maybe those hacks only pay attention to the big campaign contributors?

This kind of world-view could be interpretted as disrepectful of working-class voters. It strains the democratic relationship: voters and their elected officials (aka Public Servants).

Also, this narrative strains the basic message of the Tea Party: take back our country. I am not a Tea Party proponent, but to me the "take back our country" means campaign finance reform. Putting some restraints on the corporate funding of election campaigns.

Two hundred years ago, some founding fathers were plantation owners and used slave labor. I assume that Tea Party does not propose a return to slave labor, when they want to honor the founding fathers.

Posted by: rmorris391 | October 14, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

A serious question that has nothing to do with whether foreign funds are being funnelled into the 2010 campagin. Why do conservative Republicans, with a long history of fighting communism, tolerate the U.S. Chamber of Commerce accepting donations from Chinese state owned or controlled businesses? And please don't try to tell me the Chinese government or military is not involved with these businesses.

Posted by: BBear1 | October 14, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

The issue is whether or not this "concern" will translate into influencing any voting behavior on voting day.

My guess is, not much at all. It is much easier to be mesmerized by the constant noise of the Republican/Chamber of Commerce noise machine and its various tools such as the Tea Party, with its billionaire bankrollers.

Posted by: gschultens | October 14, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"FACT: Unions are required by federal LABOR law to disclose all donations and donors. Why do Fox & Frightwing radio keep their followers dumbed down with lies? Posted by: angie12106"

Because their audience wants fiction they like to hear over truth that they dislike.

Beck and Limbaugh don't dumb down their audience, they let their audience be just as dumb as they want to be and make incredible profits from it.

When you can get your audience to be really stupid because it makes them feel good, and thus buy any product you shill for, from republican orthodoxy to gold futures, you are in media Valhalla. feed em stupidity and life off the profits.

Posted by: ceflynline | October 14, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

How many US jobs have the GOP sold off to their foreign masters for all those campaign contributions?

Posted by: walker1 | October 14, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

So Republicans and people like Glen Beck are trying to convince the American people that the Chamber of Commerce is made up of small businesses. My question then becomes why are they spending so much money on a political campaign rather than giving the money to the small businesses so they can hire people? Why have they donated so much money to the Chamber of Commerce who is then spending the money on trying to get Republicans elected but whining how they need tax cuts to help them create jobs? I mean if they have such obscene amounts of money to give to the Chamber of Commerce to elect Republicans then they should have enough money to pay decent wages, health insurance cost and hire people for their businesses.

Posted by: catmomtx | October 14, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

As citizens who will be affected by the next congress, we have a right and duty to know which congressmen and congresswomen are being bought and by whom. If we're going to get screwed, we should at least know who is ramming it home.

Posted by: jp1943 | October 14, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Most of us care, and most of us believe in transparency.

Most of us also know that both parties are less than transparent about their contributions.

Posted by: Benson | October 14, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I cared in 2008 when Obama raked in tons of cash from overseas, and from people who donated past the limit using fake names, some as ridiculous as "Doodad Pro." Or don't you remember?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2008102803413.html

Now I figure if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

Posted by: umaspankhurst | October 14, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm just ever so amused that NOW this becomes a big issue to the Dems since it appears they are on the losing side of this cash collection. I don't recall any outrage from them when it was running in their favour a couple of very short years back.

I don't like it when either party whines and cries about what the other side is doing when we all know they've both been doing it for as long as there have been political cash contributions.

So get over it, China, Cuba and the big bad North Koreans aren't funding the repubs. Do both sides take the cash with an outstretched hand? Of course.

I'm more concerned with Axelrod and Obama's accusations about Rove spending foreign cash on the elections without any proof whatsoever. Even the NYT called them on it and said it was a baseless attack. As a result, both Axe and Obama seem petty and small.

Until both sides get serious about changing the money game, none of this is going to change. Next cycle it will likely be the other side screaming like little girls at a pop show about how evil the practice is and how it should be controlled.

OK, go ahead and call me cynical, but I gotta wonder how nice it would be to actually have some adults in charge in DC. These are serious times and we need serious leaders.

Posted by: WacoDave | October 14, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Eh.... Two wrongs don't make a right. "Princess" Palin's crowd, at least some of the 'et all' portion of them, feel this "disturbance in the force". So do I.
Where have all the 'Eliot Ness's' gone?

Posted by: deepthroat21 | October 14, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

@thunder: "There's nothing new about this, Greg. Remember when everything was good news for Republicans in 2006? Or EXCELLENT News for McCain in 2008?"

I must have experienced those years in an alternate universe. I don't remember that at all.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | October 14, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

WOW the BMW GOPers are complaining
after throwing 2 Presidential Elections.

Now doing it again with Offshore Companies and Secret Super Wealthy.

WHAT is amazing is the vast amounts, hundreds of Millions of Dollars coming from about Super 500 Donors..

These 500 Super Donors who are trying to over throw our Democracy..

ISA

Posted by: vettesport | October 14, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

The Demonrat Party raised $400 million in 2008 that ended up not being traced back to its source----$400 million. And lil Ezra JournoList Klein in today's WaPo disagrees with Schlumperei Sargent. My money's on Klein......!

Posted by: djman1141 | October 16, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Greg, This is the worst sort of polling and you should learn to tell the difference. The poll only asked about 1 thing, campaign finance, so there is nothing to compare the results to, and for this reason, no value in these results.

This type of survey question, “If I tell you something bad about a candidate would you be more or less likely to vote for them?” will always produce a “less likely” result, the real question is compared to what? How does this message stack up against a credible economic message. And 80% of voters will say they have a *right to know* just about anything. Please tell us when you see a poll where voters say who is paying for campaign ads is more important to them than who can get the economy moving. Your readers need for you to separate the good information from the bad, today’s grade: FAIL.

CenteredPolitics.com

Posted by: AllanRivlin | October 18, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I'd say that this is easily the single most important issue effecting our nation. Every single problem we face as a country has its roots in corporations meddling in the business of government.

The economy. The unwinnable war on terrorism. Education. Childhood obesity. Health care. Unemployment. The culture wars, including gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, etc. The weakened dollar. The housing crash. Our crumbling infrastructure. Low world opinion. Wage disparity. Homelessness. Moral decay. Torture. Voter fraud. Religious fanaticism. Gun proliferation. The war on drugs. Immigration. Crime and high prison populations. Global climate change. Environmental and even natural disasters.

All of these issues — every last one of them — are driven and directed through the corridors of Washington DC by the so-called "invisible hand." Those who MAKE it happen benefit from it directly. Those who LET it happen believe the Super-Lotto-Jackpot fantasy that they too will one day be fabulously wealthy.

The original Tea Partiers are now lamenting the fact that their "fiscally responsible" movement has been overtaken by cultural conservatives. This is the only way in which the Tea Party movement is similar to the Founding Fathers they contend to worship. In a short amount of time they have seen their ideology swallowed whole by the greedy, the unhinged, and the duplicitous.

Posted by: chrisfrenzy | October 21, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

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