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Posted at 2:40 PM ET, 11/18/2010

Dems will vote on just middle class tax cuts, Hoyer says

By Greg Sargent

Steny Hoyer, the number two in the House Dem leadership, told Democrats at a caucus meeting this morning that they would get to vote this year on just extending the Bush tax cuts for the middle class, a senior Dem aide tells me, signaling support for a confrontational move towards the GOP that liberals have been pushing.

Asked if Democrats would definitely get a chance to hold this vote, the senior aide responded: "Definitely."

Hoyer's declaration comes as Democrats have been debating the way forward on the Bush tax cuts, and another aide tells me that "more than half" of the Dem caucus supports this course of action.

The move indicates that House Dems are growing more resolved to draw a hard line on the Bush tax cuts, forcing Republicans to choose between supporting Obama's tax plan and opposing a tax cut for the middle class. However, the way forward still remains murky. Even if such a measure were to pass in the House, it's unclear whether the Senate will agree to such a vote, and the White House has not endorsed the approach.

What's more, the vote could conceivably go down, or alternatively, Republicans might successfully mount a procedural response, known as a "motion to recommit," that could also force a House vote on the high end cuts. I have not been able to determine how House Dems might respond to such a move.

For all these reasons, this House move does not preclude a deal being reached in the end on a temporary extension of all the cuts. And plans could still change: The House Dem leadership has yet to publicly endorse this plan.

Still, this is a real step forward.

UPDATE, 3:08 p.m.: The Progressive Change Campaign Committee's Adam Green, who's been pushing this idea, responds:

"This is a big step in the right direction. But it's very important that Democrats make clear that there will absolutely be no vote at any point this year on permanently or temporarily extending tax cuts for the wealthy. Republicans need to know that if they kill the tax cuts at any point along the way, the tax cuts are dead and Democrats will go on a huge messaging offense to ensure Republicans get the blame."

UPDATE, 4:04 p.m.: The House GOP responds.

UPDATE, 6:11 p.m.: Nancy Pelosi confirms on the record that Dems plan to proceed with the vote.

By Greg Sargent  | November 18, 2010; 2:40 PM ET
Categories:  House Dems, House GOPers, taxes  
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Comments

Reconciliation if there aren't enough votes for cloture.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 18, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"I have not been able to determine how House Dems might respond to such a move."

I have! They will cave. Then they will blame The Left and or the White House. Later, Obama will give credit to the GOP for outplaying him, again.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 18, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

not just "motion to recommit" -- but "motion to recommit forthwith" --- there's a big difference. there first essentially kills the bill. the second forces a vote on amended text.

how would Dem leadership respond? this is where you have to be a good vote counter. you know what the GOP is going to propose -- if they have the votes to pass (in this case a full extension of the cuts), you pull the underlying provision so they never get the chance.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | November 18, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse


The point is this:


Obama NEVER settled for anything less than what he wanted.


Despite ALL the commitments Obama made during his campaign


AND let liberals like Greg talk like the Tea Party has some obligation to compromise. It is really hypocritical and it causes the nation to be sick of the democrats


__________________________

Go ahead, have the vote.

It will only do more damage to the democratic party


VOTE for a $700 Billion dollar tax increase on top of Obama's $500 Billion worth of health care premium increases this year

That is 1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS THAT OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO TAKE OUT OF THE ECONOMY JUST THIS YEAR.


Horrible Economic Policy

Stupid Economic Policy


A really good reason to throw MORE democrats out of office in 2012.


Are the democrats going to try to keep the economy in recession?

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Mike from Arlington

Try another reconciliation and Obama will end up impeached.

The reconciliation has to be passed first by the Senate remember.


Maybe Obama should be impeached anyway


I wonder if there is a way to get the 2/3 vote in the Senate to get him out of office. It might make sense if Obama is dragging down the democrats too much.


.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If a Blue Dog wants to bring back his or her career, and try to run for anything down the road, they should vote against this idea.


Seriously, the Blue Dogs think it is horrible economic policy.


$1.2 TRILLION DOLLARS out of the Economy in the middle of an Economic Crisis.


The stupidity of the liberals is unbelievable.


The liberals are UNFIT to govern.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

@Greg

Three questions:

If the GOP try to attach the tax cuts for the rich along with the cuts for the middle class...

1) Could that allow for the cuts to have different timeframes - such as permemant for middle class (base bill) and temporary for the rich (amendment)?

2) Do you think that if the House voted on an amendement soley for $700 billion in tax cuts for the rich, it would pass?

3) Was the question to Hoyer about PERMENANTLY extending the middle class tax cuts?

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | November 18, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

@Greg

Also...is there a warning/ban on the horizon for RedTeaRevolution? The constant factless, ignorant, and hyperbolic comments from that poster are really bogging down this place in nonsense.

I feel like I'm at a Palin rally, and re-igniting my passion for a better education system in this country.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | November 18, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

They may have a vote, but it won't pass. Obama won't fight strong enough for it, and the Blue Dogs that are in their final weeks in the House are right at this minute lining up sweetheart lobbying gigs for themselves. Do you really think they are going to vote against any extension of tax cuts for those making above $250K? For them it's not an issue of what's best for the overall economy, but what's best for them.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 18, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse


Boehner should immediately devise a series of votes in January which will embarass the democrats

And send all the bills to the Senate


Difficult votes are now coming in two directions.

The democrats can have their fun now, but come January it will be coming right back at them.


It is disgraceful and shameful - this is the same as the Fin Reg bill - there is no compromise

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

TheBBQChickenMadness at 3:02 PM

Your comment qualifies as "intent to harass"

Plus, you have an "ad hominem" attack in there too.


Greg - please ban this person as they have clearly violated the published rules

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If a Blue Dog who has lost wants to come back, why vote now to raise the taxes on the EXACT contributors they need to raise money to run again???

The logic here is astonishing.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

TO:
TheBBQChickenMadness

It's obvious by now that Greg, nor any IT person at the POST, can muffle RedTeaRevolution , or whatever other moniker of the day they are using. Can I suggest doing what I do, treat their posts like a blank white space on the page,quickly scroll past it and continue the discussion with those that are interested in advancing a dialogue. Whoever this character is is a GOP paid shill.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 18, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

BBQChick - Ignore. I've put in my complaint as well. It's called "spamming." Renders all subsequent comments hard to read. Which is the point; to flood out the comments so folks can't read anything other than his viewpoint. Can't do much about it really.

ANYHOW... I really don't have much faith the Dems will follow through because it all depends on the administration standing firm AND the senate standing firm on this. I just don't see it at this point. I guess the past two years have rendered me pretty cynical about the whole process.

Posted by: Alex3 | November 18, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

filmnoia

Also, you can put blinders on, and earphones to prevent yourself from hearing anything.


A blindfold is the answer to all opposing views, right?

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

OT:

What the GOP says:

"Jobs.

Jobs jobs jobs, jobs jobs jobs. Jobs jobs jobs jobs the economy jobs jobs. Jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs.

The economy, jobs jobs jobs."

What the GOP DOES:

-House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits-

Republicans in the House Thursday blocked a bill that would have extended jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed beyond the holiday season.

An extension of jobless benefits enacted this summer expires Dec. 1, and unless they are renewed, two million people will lose benefits averaging $310 a week nationwide by the end of December.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40258413/ns/politics-capitol_hill/

GOP to America: "Merry Xmas, losers."

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 18, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Alex3

Reading 10 straight comments from liberals isn't much better, is it?

But apparently that is what you want


The Conservatives on these blogs have far fewer comments from the liberals - and yet the liberals complain at the sight of anything Conservative.


The silly complaints and childish remarks are what is dragging down the discussion

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to know how the Repugs think they can call for "cutting spending and balancing the budget" while at the same time cheerleading for (again) $700 Billion in unfunded, deficit producing tax cuts for the rich?

Enjoy your time in the majority (House) Repugs because I guarantee you that it won't last long. You'll be gone in 2012 so fast that your fat heads are going to spin.

.

Posted by: DrainYou | November 18, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to know how the Repugs think they can call for "cutting spending and balancing the budget" while at the same time cheerleading for (again) $700 Billion in unfunded, deficit producing tax cuts for the rich?"

Easy, it's what their corporate masters tell them to do. Besides, that $700bil tax cut will create jobs. You know, the way they did between 2001-2008.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 18, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Who does this old man Hoyer think he is? He has one month and he will be dead in the water - in the minority!!! Hope the majority never listen to him again.

Posted by: annnort | November 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

To follow up on my earlier point, at this stage this is basically "policy vs. procedure." Procedure always wins.

If this comes to the floor for a vote it means the Dem leadership has the votes to pass the bill without the GOP amending on the floor through a motion to recommit forthwith (or promptly). Or, they don't have the votes to defeat the motion but are willing to pass an extension of all the tax cuts rather than "raising taxes" by doing nothing. I doubt that's likely. Motions to recommit are rarely successful -- it would be very embarrassing for the Democratic leadership to essentially "lose" a vote in the House, where all the rules are stacked in the majority's favor.

Walter Oleszek's has a great desk reference on congressional procedure. it's really a must have for anyone interested in Congress.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | November 18, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

From one view - the democrats are wasting their time with "fake votes"

Today - a vote on unemployment which requires 2/3

And all this talk of a $700 Billion tax increase in the middle of an Economic Crisis

The truth is the democrats are wasting their time with silly votes - they are drawing a paycheck from the American People and there is a limit to the partisan nonsense coming from the democrats


The Republicans have the mandate now.


The democrats in the House have been given their marching orders by the American People - GET OUT -


To not listen to that is just ARROGANCE and the most ridiculous thing ever.


.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

How can a tax increase be "unfunded"


That is illogical


What is "unfunded" is the spending. The democrats have packed every government budget in the country full of expensive govenment programs and expensive union contracts -


CUT all that out


CUT IT ALL


Then we can talk about what is "unfunded"

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

@BBQChicken, filmnoia, Alex, and any others who are bugged by STRF (or whatever his newest handle is): try installing Kevin's Troll Hunter. I had to switch from IE to Chrome to use it, but both installs were easy and the site is MUCH better once you can ignore those whom you want to ignore. I'm only still wondering why it took Kevin, and not a WaPo IT person, to fix the site for us. . .

Posted by: Michigoose | November 18, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Adam Green

The Republicans can't wait to impeach Obama


How about the pat-downs at the airports

That is a violation of the 4th Amendment - Obama should be IMPEACHED on that count alone - sexually assaulting people.

- Extending benefits to partners of Federal Employess - that is Obama spending money without Congressional approval - IMPEACH HIM

- There are about 10 other potential counts against Obama


IMPEACH HIM

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

RTR should be banned on account of excessive stupidity.

This is a great move by Hoyer. Let the whole country see who really controls the GOP.

Posted by: Observer691 | November 18, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse


Hilarious Dims, go ahead and enjoy your 1 month of majority in the House. Get tough Dims by all means, during the short lame duck session after which 62 Dims will be ousted from the House.

This is what is going to die in the Senate this year during this very same lame duck session:

1. Repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell

2. Passage of the Dream Act

3. Ratification of the START treaty

You get none of it Dims. The entire month will be spent on passage of the tax cuts. By the way there is one new GOP senator starting in the lame duck session: Sen. Kirk (R-IL). Just that much harder for Dims to force cloture on their pet bills.

What is the Senate working on today? "Food Safety".

Posted by: screwjob22 | November 18, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"How about the pat-downs at the airports"

Wait, I thought he was soft on terrorism. Maybe we should only pat down people who are the correct color, amirite?

Posted by: cao091402 | November 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Chrome works fine. And it does not make you stop using IE, you don't have to "choose". I have both open all the time bc my work links make me use IE.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 18, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes!!! I am for this move.

And if the Repubs block this and the Dems can't "pass keeping the Middle Class Tax Cuts". Then they will expire.

AND WE WILL ALL KNOW WHO TO BLAME.

The Republicans will not have any way to lie or cover up re: who is to blame if all the middle class tax cuts expire.

It is a win win for the country.

Posted by: celested91 | November 18, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, is the Plum Line having a cross promotional deal with Ret@rded Assh@les Inc?

Thank FSM for the Troll Blocker.

And I'll believe that the D's will hold a vote on just the middle class tax cuts when I see it.

In my opinion it is the Senate that should vote first, because anything the House does will just get filibustered in the Senate and because time is short. If the political goal is to get the Republicans to block a middle class tax cut there is no need to get the House involved.

Posted by: HansSolo | November 18, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

you go girl!

I think the dem's ought to lower that crazy 250K thing?

that is a rich dude, dude?
and why are we going to have these rich white folks on our side when the class wars start?

steny of course, is a rich white dude,
like Nancy pelosi is,
and barack obama is,
how about if we are going to have class warfare, the rich dogs stay on their own side of the line!

Posted by: simonsays1 | November 18, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

@shrink: Yeah, I ran them both for a couple of days but I'm not restricted by anything at work requiring me to run a certain browser, and I just got to like the look of Chrome better. Choice, it's all about choice. . .

Posted by: Michigoose | November 18, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I am in favor of the very unpopular position of wanting all of the tax cuts to expire.

Due to the inability of our warring parties to get along I may just get my wish.

Posted by: TwasBetterOff | November 18, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Knowing how adept Pelosi was in getting health care through the House, it wouldn't surprise me that she can garner the votes to extend the middle class tax cuts, but then there is the issue of the US Senate. Need I say more?
I'd like nothing more than to see the GOP House take over in 6 weeks and already have to fight a rear guard action against 98% of the tax paying public for the next two years, but I'm very pessimistic this will happen. The past is prologue, and I have no faith that the Senate will do the right thing.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 18, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Observer691

Wht middle class Bush Tax Cut? According to some 8 years of Democratic party litany Bush's tax cus were only for the rich!

Does anyone know what Steny is referring to?

Oh, wait - Appaently Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Kerry, and a whole list of other reputable Democrat party members were acually lying to the American people all those years!

Woe is US; what should we do?

Steny ... a dumb move on your part since the Republicans can simply turn the tables on you next year and cause votes on bills to embarrass your kind - for TWO years!

Posted by: Hazmat77 | November 18, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

This is really great news. Pelosi is speaker, and the Democrats are on a roll again. I am looking forward to the Republicans fumbling to explain their making a concerted effort to block tax cuts for the middle class.

Wow, just looked at the Republican response by Michael Steel. What an insult to the American people. Democrats are cutting taxes for the middle class, and Republicans say "You are raising taxes." The GOP really must think that Americans are stupid.

I was pretty sure that Republicans would try hard to self-destruct before 2012, but I didn't expect that they'd get started so quickly. Can't wait to see the GOP trying to run on the idea of taking away Americans' health care.

Posted by: swsnt | November 18, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Ignor the White House, there is no leadership there. Schedule the vote and get behind the legislation. If the repubs are going to oppose the leglislation, make them show it on the floor of the House.

Posted by: grf67 | November 18, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The weathy 2% that the democrat party heates are the people who will build the new factorys and provide jobs. The goverment never provided a single job for any one

Posted by: ToddPollard | November 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. A person who "declares" $40k a year, and has a kid in college gets:

1. Free money Federal and State Aid for his kid(s).

2. Food stamps.

3. Housing benefits.

4. Medicaid

5. Pays ZERO FEDERAL INCOME TAX

The poor slob who declares $300k, gets a tax bill for $117,000.

REALLY FAIR? I think not.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | November 18, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"The weathy 2% that the democrat party heates are the people who will build the new factorys and provide jobs."

This post is a joke, right? If not, then Todd has the wrong site and should be posting with all those other space cadets and brain surgeons over on AOL.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 18, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

How many blacks have become millionaires, because of welfare? NONE!!!

How many blacks have become millionaires, because of them owning McDonald's franchises? LOTS!!!

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | November 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Dems will vote on just middle class tax cuts, Hoyer says

Yesssss! The Dems finally show that they have the brains! Now - do they have the ba||s!

Posted by: geonerd20 | November 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"The poor slob who declares $300k, gets a tax bill for $117,000"

Don't understand marginal tax brackets, do we? It's ok, when you take that high school economics class, your teacher will fill you in.

Posted by: Brishon | November 18, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

What? When did the Dems all suddenly grew a pair? I bet when this gets to the Senate they will realize that, no they don't in fact have testicles and then fold, like they always do.

Posted by: zouln | November 18, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

HI Greg, here's an update for you. Screw you and all your "progressive" buddies, 15% of the electorate, but with an arrogance and ego worthy of an 80% majority. Keep defying the will of the public, you a-hole, see what happens. Let the beating at the polls continue. Total jackoff, you are.....

Posted by: subframer | November 18, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The irony of the debate is that Republicans always say that lowering the taxes of the super rich provides stimulus to the economy. It doesn't happen! It didn't happen with Reagan and it didn't happen with Bush jr. The truth is that Obama has had better job growth during his time than Bush jr did. I just wish that Republicans and conservatives would just admit that they want lower taxes for the ultra rich and not rest on a false argument.

Posted by: jonathan13 | November 18, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-jobs-lost-in-the-bush-and-obama-administration-2010-2

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/05/obama-vs-bush-on-economic-growth/56778/

Posted by: jonathan13 | November 18, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

It is comical to read the responses of people that just don't have a clue of what this vote is about. The Dems are proposing to keep the tax cuts for 98% of the people and small businesses. FACT. How could anyone oppose that??? Later, when the R's take office they can debate whether it is good to give the other 2% a cut and how they will pay for it.

Posted by: pgmichigan | November 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The far left dems never learn do they? Don't they know what happened on Nov. 2?

They will learn in January when many of them will be displaced. They have been repudiated by the public and should not be allowed to vote on this.

Posted by: rmilitello | November 18, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Most people around 64%, do not want the Bush Tax Cuts for those above $250,000 extended. It has been consistently polled as such since Obama campaigned on it in 2008.

Yes, Republicans won this election, but that doesn't mean the masses are clapping for all of their bright ideas, this is one idea most are not (also it is clear that the election results was more of a condemnation of the democrats effectiveness of economic issues, for various reasons, than a mandate for the "millionaire populist" philosophy).

It is currently in the Democrats control to stop this from happening, and if they do allow it, it will primarily themselves who people will blame.

Not republican obstructionism, though I could be wrong on that.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | November 18, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

RedTea, are you serious about impeachment? Do you really think that because you don't like a president, he can be impeached? I suppose technically you are correct, in the sense that if you have enough of a majority, you could impeach (charge) any president for doing anything,even if he is simply doing his job, but you cannot get a conviction. Do you realize how silly it sounds to keep talking about impeaching Obama? Unless you think you have some inside information about crimes that the rest of us are unaware of, please get serious. That includes your comments about "sexual harassment" by the president because of the actions of TSA employees. That's getting even more ridiculous.

Posted by: rbharris50 | November 18, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Secret holds, holds on behalf of other anonymous members(#?$%), motions to recommit, virtual filibusters? No wonder so little gets accomplished.

I hope Reid installs a stronger set of rules for the next Senate.

Posted by: lithium452 | November 18, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Secret holds, holds on behalf of other anonymous members(#?$%), motions to recommit, virtual filibusters? No wonder so little gets accomplished.

I hope Reid installs a stronger set of rules for the next Senate.

Posted by: lithium452 | November 18, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Well, it looks like the Dems finally grew a pair and remembered with whom their power base resides-- the middle class. Let the wealthy pay extra taxes; they've been reaping the benefits of special tax privileges for the last three decades and increasing their share of America's wealth while the middle class has been in continual decline over that same interval.

Posted by: indyrich | November 18, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Nasty Pelosi would not permit Republican proposals to come up for a vote for 2 years. Suddenly the demonkrats are talking about 'voting" on a bill that has not been proposed??? Why would the Republicans let such a bill on the House floor for a vote?

Posted by: IQ168 | November 18, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Just come up with a way to pay for the tax cuts before extending them for anyone. Continued borrowing to cover the costs simply increases the deficit.

Posted by: bs-intolerant | November 18, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

The Dems don't have the votes.
If they did they would have already passed it.
A lot of the Dems want to extend the cuts for all.
Especially in a recession, one does not increase taxes on anyone.
We already have the highest corporate taxes in the world.
Since when did the American Dream of making it big become a negative?
These are the folks who pay for the 40% of Americans who don't even pay taxes.
Only Obama, Pelosi and Reid play on dividing the country using class warfare.
Pathetic, unamerican, and Pelosi is so rich she doesn't care.
The GOP has it right, don't raise taxes on anyone in the USA.

Posted by: joanz3 | November 18, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

They just don't get it. One more election cycle and more Democrats are out on their liberal, elitist behinds. They ae trying to kill the economy. Higher taxes will drive more and more businesses to China and India. Sickening.

Posted by: eaglesnest1 | November 18, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Good way to get rid of more liberal elitist Democrats next election cycle. Higher taxes will chase more and more businesses out of the country, precipitating a double dip recession, otherwise known as a depression.

Posted by: eaglesnest1 | November 18, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

"I see one-third of a nation ill-housed, ill-clad, and ill-nourished. The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." Second Inaugural Address, Washington, D.C., January 20, 1937.FDR. History is repeating itself thanks to the GOPs inability to learn from the mistakes of the past.

Posted by: Americacares | November 18, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

@TheBBQChickenMadness - Your comment that began... "Also...is there a warning/ban on the horizon for RedTeaRevolution?..." is absolutely priceless! I was feeling so exasperated reading all those comments and thinking the exact same thing - like we're at a Palin rally! I wish people would put down the swords and realize that a new civil war - Republicans vs Democrats - is a very bad idea right now! What we really need is for our elected representatives - both Republican and Democrat - to work together toward finding viable solutions that will get us out of this horrible recession, reinstate some of the millions of positions eliminated and allow us to begin to pay down the federal deficit.

When a poster does nothing more than spew ugly words, expressing extreme bitterness and direct hatred at other posters their posts should be removed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with people stating differing views -- in fact, it's healthy and that is how we share and learn from one another. But anger and hatred is never healthy, typically unwanted and should be not shared with others.

Posted by: deborahjbrown | November 18, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

This is really great news. Pelosi is speaker, and the Democrats are on a roll again. I am looking forward to the Republicans fumbling to explain their making a concerted effort to block tax cuts for the middle class.

Wow, just looked at the Republican response by Michael Steel. What an insult to the American people. Democrats are cutting taxes for the middle class, and Republicans say "You are raising taxes." The GOP really must think that Americans are stupid.

I was pretty sure that Republicans would try hard to self-destruct before 2012, but I didn't expect that they'd get started so quickly. Can't wait to see the GOP trying to run on the idea of taking away Americans' health care.

Posted by: swsnt
----------------------------
Hard to believe you can be so ignorant but here it is in black and white. Taking away what in America's healthcare?? The new massive rate increases that are hitting everybody? (This is my business so don't tell me it isn't happening). Could it be the cuts to Medicare? How about the new death tax in the HEALTH INSURANCE TAKEOVER bill? Will they miss that idiot? The libs accused GWB of cutting taxes for only the rich for years. Suddenly, it has morphed to middle class tax cuts huh? It is you that think Americans are stupid. You can continue to pretend that there wasn't just an election, but we, those who voted to sent the libs packing, are NOT fooled and won't stand by idly while the liberals play their games.

Liberalism is truly a disease!

Posted by: steelers01 | November 18, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

NEWS ALERT!
The November elections were clear, "We the People" have thrown the Dems out of the the House, Lame Duck not withstanding!

Posted by: rteske | November 19, 2010 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Will the Dems actually do this or will the lame duck congress be a dead duck congress?

And what about DADT? Other bills that might or might not be pushed forward since, after all, we can't cut into the holiday time off for congress.

There aren't enough hours in the day, days in the week to get a lot done before Jan. 1 and it will be interesting to see what bills are of primary importance.

Posted by: Utahreb | November 19, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Tax rates will rise for everyone. Reconciliation won't help.

Conventional wisdom says current rates will be extended. But political reality says rates will go up for everyone in January and will stay higher. That’s what we get with divided government, for better or worse.

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Posted by: swinkler | November 19, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

It's easy to see that the republicans are not going to do anything to help the middle class. They will spend the next 24 months trying to find ways to thwart Obama. They're going to waste a lot of time and energy on trying to impeach him.

Obama is not a war criminal like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

The real criminals are people like Boehner and McConnell who only care about making the rich richer and the rest of us subservient and poor!

Any conservative making less that $250,000 a year is a true American Idiot cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

I hope the Republicans don't waste our time like they did with Clinton but since their morally and intellectually bankrupt they will.

They hate Obama for his successes. What does the GOP have to show for their governance, a fake and failed Iraq war. A totally mismanaged Afghanistan war.

They even allowed the worst terrorist attack on our soil on their watch. 911 was the Republican's fault and now they want to take down the rest of the country just like their oil rich terrorist friends took down the towers!

The next thing you know the GOP will have us wearing swastikas and doing the goose step down Pennsylvania Avenue!

The GOP and their Lemming followers scare the heck out of me between their calls for anarchy, 2nd amendments solutions and going to war for naught!

The GOP is the face of desperation, anarchy and uncivility and they've ruined our political process. They've not put one bit of energy into solving this nation's problems. They're far better at creating them like the current deficit and the wars.

Have you heard ONE of them admitting that the GM bailout worked now that the company is back on it's feet and 1.4 million jobs were saved in doing so? Of course not because they don't have the brain power to figure it out and it wasn't their idea.

Posted by: davidbronx | November 19, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Even the CBO said that keeping all the taxes cuts will be good for America. They went on to explain that since the "rich" own the businesses they are the ones who hire! Duh typical of the left just sticking to their aganda and not caring about the people of America. Funny how the left always pulls out the CBO unless it does not agree with their agenda of taking from the rich to buy votes in coming elections! Hey Obama how are your friends at BP doing? Did you get paid for the cover up yet? WASHINGTON (AP) "The Obama administration blocked efforts by government scientists to tell the public just how bad the Gulf oil spill could become and committed other missteps that raised questions about its competence and candor during the crisis, according to a commission appointed by the president to investigate the disaster." Just like Obama and the Democrats lying again and not caring about the environment. I say take BP ,Halliburton and Obama and his administration that did this to us and throw them all in jail. Well Dems should people who commit crimes like this against America go to jail? Lets see if any of you care about America.As always you can contact me at work http://www.usa-businessreview.com and yes keep those jokes coming!

Posted by: Loxinabox | November 19, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Why did it take Dems 2 years and an electoral thrashing before they finally stood up to the Republican (aka Plutocrat) agenda?

Posted by: cann4ing | November 19, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

It takes a real fool to think they can fool everyone! As an example the Hispanic people I know(co -workers and their families) are Americans and they have all told me they are against the Democrats open border policy. It seems that the people who came here the legal way want others to do the same! Amazing ......so if Hispanic people voted for Democrats I would have to wonder how many of them were Americans? It seems to me and my American Hispanic friends that only Americans should vote in American elections. I wonder what you folks think . As always you can contact me at work http://www.usa-businessreview.com and yes keep those jokes coming! We need them in a country where people who are not citizens are encouraged to vote! Am I the only one who thinks this is wrong? I don't vote in Mexican or Canadian elections so will someone explain why the Dems think this is a good thing? (besides the obvious reason of supporting their agenda by cheating). If you need cheering up sometime watch the news on the BBC they fun of Obama and the way he lies on a nightly basis at least the rest of the world knows what a joke he is.

Posted by: Loxinabox | November 19, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

It takes a real fool to think they can fool everyone! As an example the Hispanic people I know(co -workers and their families) are Americans and they have all told me they are against the Democrats open border policy. It seems that the people who came here the legal way want others to do the same! Amazing ......so if Hispanic people voted for Democrats I would have to wonder how many of them were Americans? It seems to me and my American Hispanic friends that only Americans should vote in American elections. I wonder what you folks think . As always you can contact me at work http://www.usa-businessreview.com and yes keep those jokes coming! We need them in a country where people who are not citizens are encouraged to vote! Am I the only one who thinks this is wrong? I don't vote in Mexican or Canadian elections so will someone explain why the Dems think this is a good thing? (besides the obvious reason of supporting their agenda by cheating).

Posted by: Loxinabox | November 19, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

So the democrats idea is to set the tax cuts up to fail then go on a public relations campaign and tell the public that the fat cat supporting GOP did not support middle class tax cuts. Does this sound like leadership? Seems as though the dems are more interested in political gain than improving the economic health of this country. Also many posters are engaging in class war-fare. Could someone tell me just how the rich getting richer deprives you of opportunity to get rich or paid more. Why do so many dems feel they have the moral right to take from others what they have failed to achieve?

Posted by: Herbert1 | November 19, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

What's next for the dems? Suicide bombers?

Posted by: Herbert1 | November 19, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I hope & pray that the Democrats force this issue. I hope the President also forces this issue w/a tough policy. Let the Republicans defend holding the tax cuts for everyone up for tax cuts for the wealthy. It's time the Democrats took a stand, and forced the Republicans to cause ALL tax cuts to expire. If the Dems aren't a bunch of pansies, then allowing the Republicans to take control of the House, whereby they will resurrect the tax cuts for all in 2011, will be a way to finally put the GOP in a box they deserve: fighting for 2% of the nation's tax payers. As they do so, the other 98% of the nation's tax payers can see what the GOP is all about.
The best way for this to happen is for the Democrats, for a chance, not bending AT ALL on this point of allowing ANY tax cuts to be extended, much less, devised, for the richest of the rich. It's time that the Dems actually said: no, the other 98% have taken enormous losses, over the last ten years, due to Republican favoring the richest of the rich.
This will be a massive education plan. The President & the Dems need to inform the public: we're not bending. YOU, the 98% who have had some of the biggest real income losses in the last 10 years, are OUR prime concern. The Republicans have always favored feathering the nests of the richest of the rich.
So, while we hope for a win, you should also beseige your representatives, particularly, any Republicans, about giving it up for the richest of the rich.
One other "carrot" for giving on this matter: the Richest of the RICH can have a tax cut if they BUY consumer goods in 2010/2011. If they save the money, or bank it, they get nothing. Surely, there's statistics out there that show what kinds of truth there is to the "legend" that the rich buy "things."
And, what "things" they buy.
The tax cut for those folks? Fuel efficient autos for 2010/2011. Alternative energy devices. Other "goods" & "services" that will boost employment in the country, not stocks, bonds, 401(k). This will, of course, be rejected by the Republicans. So be it.

Posted by: zennheadd | November 20, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

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