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Posted at 3:08 PM ET, 11/22/2010

Left accuses GOP of economic "sabotage"

By Greg Sargent

It looks like some folks on the right are purporting to be really, really surprised by the suggestion being made by some liberals that Republicans will actively try to sabotage the economy in order to increase their odds of taking the White House in 2012.

Steve Benen, Paul Krugman and Matthew Yglesias have all made this argument, and Benen's effort in particular has received a skewering from former Bushie Michael Gerson and other righties.

This "economic sabotage" line is only going to get louder from Dems over time. So maybe it's time for a quick history lesson. Have we all forgotten already that conservatives and Republicans widely argued for years that Dems who were opposed to the Iraq War were actively rooting for the troops and America to fail?

Here's former RNC chair Mike Duncan, in 2007:

The Democrat leadership believes failure by our troops in Iraq -- the central front in the War on Terror -- is essential for them to win elections in 2008...and that any positive sign of progress in Iraq is simply a "problem" for them.

In 2005, Sean Hannity directly accused Democrats of "undermining our troops" and "undermining a commander in chief while we are at war." This sort of stuff was a staple of right wing rhetoric for a good chunk of the Bush presidency. And now folks on the right think it's out of bounds or loopy for liberal commentators to suggest the GOP might be out to sabotage the economy for political reasons? Come on. Let's get real.

To be clear, I happen to think the "economic sabotage" argument is not going to work. Dems tried variations of this case for two years, and there's no evidence they bore any fruit. I just don't think voters will buy it, or if they do, they won't particularly care about it.

Also: At a certain point there's little percentage in making variations of the same old lament again and again that Republicans are out to defeat Obama politically at all costs and that it's folly for Obama to keep seeking bipartisan compromise. It seems like the better argument to be having at this point is over what Obama specifically should do to adjust to this new reality.

I got an expert to lay out a few ideas along these lines right here, and.former White House chief of staff John Podesta has also offered a roadmap to action. This seems like a better topic of discussion at this point.

Still, it's pretty comical to see right-wingers suggest that the "sabotage" claim is out of bounds or crazy. It's been a staple of theirs for years.

By Greg Sargent  | November 22, 2010; 3:08 PM ET
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Obama's health care plan is NOT Economic Sabotage - in order to spark an fiscal crisis in order to get the country to accept an even more socialist version of health care ???


This point is a joke - it is not journalism - it is a democratic talking point


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Politico is now reporting that Obama's foreign policy in the Middle East is a complete disaster -

And in fact Obama is holding back the negotiations.

Quite a turn of events, given all the boasting from the Obama people who claimed that electing a black man would immediately cause peace to break out all over the world.

In fact, that "candyland" idea has been rejected by people all over the globe.


Pretty much nothing Obama has done has yielded progress in anything. Given that health care is going to be repealed, or redone, or whatever - Obama has failed in every major policy effort.


Obama is a complete failure - every major thing he has attempted has either failed, or in the case of health care, caused great damage to himself and his party.


Obama himself is dragging down the Economy - just as the Middle East leaders are now blaming Obama for dragging down the negotiations in the Middle East.


Experience Matters

Qualifications Matter.


Someone explain that to the democrats who still don't get it.

Posted by: RedDogs | November 22, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "To be clear, I happen to think the 'economic sabotage' argument is not going to work. Dems tried variations of this case for two years, and there's no evidence they bore any fruit. I just don't think voters will buy it, or if they do, they won't particularly care about it."

Nope. For one thing, what's the difference, to liberals, of Republicans advancing the sorts of issues the argue for--tax cuts, deregulation--and economic sabotage to liberals? They can argue Republicans are purposely trying to strangle the economy, as Republicans have been arguing about Obama, but how would liberals regard a platform of rolling back Obamacare, cutting taxes, and cutting regulation, even if sincerely meant as a cure to the economies ills by Republicans?

And most conservatives are going to consider accusations of "economic sabotage" to be more the same old, same old by the Dems.

What I find funny is how similar the left and rights accusations are. Certain right wing pundits are always talking about how the left is purposely sabotaging to the economy to create a perpetually dependent class of voters, or to use the besmirched economy to run against Republicans. Again, I'm prone to agree with Greg: I'm not sure how much traction these arguments have outside of the hardcore political junkies.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 22, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"You know, this report has really opened my eyes. In fact, I’m starting to suspect that the Republican leadership doesn’t even plan on supporting President Obama in 2012. Why, I wouldn’t even put it past those weasels to run a GOP candidate against him in the next election!"

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/21/steve-benen-finds-the-shooter-on-the-grassy-knoll/

Posted by: sbj3 | November 22, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say sabotage as a whole, but our labor forces and standards are under attack.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, along with China and Germany, Sarah Palin, Bill Kristol and about a dozen right wing economists and commentators are against the Fed's purchase of long term debt that could potentially increase U.S. production and allow us to compete more competitively when the value of the dollar is driven down. They think our workers earn too much. They want to drive our wages down even further. They want to eliminate the minimum wage and bring back sweat shops and allow "free markets" to determine wages.

We've been down this path before and we just experienced a taste of it again. Having a limited % of wealthy Americans leveraging so much control over our economy is disastrous. When these cretins decide to go Galt and pull back on consumption, it affects us in a bad way. The prosperity our Govn't allows should be more evenly distributed so a minority don't control the majority.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 22, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

And a further decree: No one gets to talk about fixing the cumulative debt (aka deficit) problem who is not willing to let the Bush tax cuts for the top earners expire. Cutting Social Secuirty to give tax breaks to millionaires is just immoral and inerffective for any purpose other than redistributing income upwards.

Obama should go forward with exec orders, create a new czar for every vacancy that Congress doesn't fill with an appointee, and get behind some of the better choices for debt reduction like cutting the Pentagon budget.

He should also start educating the public on climate change and what needs to be done so that people in 2037 won't be scrambling for solutions when it is way too late because we have hit 3 degrees F increase and 480 ppm CO2, and the ice sheets are irretrievably unstable and food-destroying droughts are upon us.

Posted by: Mimikatz | November 22, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Reddogs: And Sarah Palin is qualified and experienced?

Posted by: Mimikatz | November 22, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I didn't make my points clear

Obama's health care plan is Economic Sabotage - aimed clearly at creating horrible fiscal conditions - so that the democrats can come back and claim the "only way" out of the fiscal problem would be a single-payer system.


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I honestly do not believe that Obama is as alarmed by the current Economic Crisis as most Americans.

Instead, Obama sees the Economic Crisis as a means to justify his "attempts to transform" the economy - and a means to justify his schemes to "redistribute income."


All this seems to be an attempt by Obama to deflect criticism away from what he is doing along these lines.


Diverting the stimulus dollars away from job creation to democratic pet projects is not "sabotage."


Discussions like this are really getting ridiculous. For some reason, the Obama people are really out of their minds. The Obama people are really outside the mainstream of American political thinking.


AT no time in decades has such ridiculous lines of partisan rhetoric been all over the nation - and it is the Obama people who are constantly coming up with these silly ideas - pushing them on the American People like drug dealers.


I can assure you that the Republicans are not trying to practice economic "sabotage" - they want the rich to have tax cuts so they can create jobs. How is that sabotage?


Instead, it is Obama who took $700 Billion OUT of the economy this year in health insurance premiums - AND it is Obama who is trying to raise taxes by $700 Billion in the middle of an Economic Crisis, and somehow we should believe that the Republicans are the ones who are guilty of "sabotage"


It is too insane an idea.....

Posted by: RedDogs | November 22, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Sean Hannity says that crap on a daily basis btw.

He's can suck farts all day as far as I'm concerned. The guy is a scumbag. His Freedom Concerts only sending a minuscule amount to military families is all I need for proof the guy is a complete jerk.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/6938/sean-hannitys-freedom-concert-scam-only-7-of-charitys-money-went-to-injured-troops-kids-of-fallen-troops-g5s-g6s-for-vannity/

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 22, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention Ann Coulter telling me I was a traitor for being a Democrat while on active duty.

It won't work, but only because the Dems won't play it mean enough long enough for it to get into peoples' heads. Obama really, *really* needs to use that bully pulpit and every unilateral power he has to push policies through wherever possible for the next two years. Despite their "jobs, jobs, jobs" mantra, it looks like the first thing the new House is going to go after is the 14th Amendment.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_11/026756.php

Ignore them and govern.

Posted by: Michigoose | November 22, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Greg says -
"To be clear, I happen to think the "economic sabotage" argument is not going to work."

You're correct, it won't work for the very simple reason that the Dems don't have a dedicated TV network and talk radio to keep up the constant daily drumbeat. Instead of sabotage, be it economic or the START treaty, I prefer the good old "T" word which everyone understands. Use that word and watch the bastards howl.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Republicans do want Obama's economy to utterly fail and for good reason. Obama's success will mean America's long term failure.

The Obamacrats are Euro-weenie socialists, all. This is a solid fact that can't be denied by any unbiased person. The evidence is overwhelming.

Even the Euro-weenies are beginning to see the fatal error of their ways and the tide is beginning to turn there, a little.

The namby-pamby, perverted, welfare states are going belly-up under the debt loads. Crazy, bedbug foreigners are moving in and taking over and the natives are getting restless just like in Arizona and all America, in general. The European military is weak and getting weaker just like the Obamatons want for America's military with the repeal of DADT.

Ultra-liberal, multi-cultural, welfare states are doomed to complete and utter failure in the long run.

So now you can see why the American patriots who go by the name of conservative and Republican DO want the Obamanation to fail.

The want America to rise again.

Posted by: battleground51 | November 22, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This argument gets revived again and again whenever (a) the economy is in the dumps and (b) the president is of the opposite party of Congress. Reagan in '82. Bush in '92. The economy getting better is what will work, not claiming that Republicans will be sabotaging it. For that sort of thing, the power rests more with the Treasury and the Fed than the House. As Morpheus once said, "Stop trying to hit me and hit me." Point being that talking about it or trying doesn't work. Doing does.

And just because I can't pass up a straight line:

"I didn't make my points clear...

Posted by: RedDogs"

Have you ever?

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 22, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Thats the pattern of the Democrats whenever they can't get their way. Foul, sabotage, and obstructionist. The Democrats squandered away their power for health care allowing the START treat, along with jobs, economy, deficit, and the debt to remain on the sidelines for Obama's health care. The Republicans aren't like Obama or the Democrats at all. They don't have a social justice agenda. All they have is America and the American people. They aren't going to sacrifice the economy for any right wing agenda the way Obama and the Democrats sacrificed jobs, economy, deficit, and the debt for Obama's Utopia world he tried to create. Republicans world is one of reality, not the fantasy world Obama and the Democrats lived in so much which got them fired for not facing facts the American people won't abandon the America they grew up in for Obama's left wing socialist agenda.

Posted by: houstonian | November 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Look, there's no question that they want to economy to stay in the toilet. Why wouldn't they? they themselves aren't hurting.

We should say it out loud - I don't see why they should be let off the hook for this or anything else. I'm tired of being polite about it. I don't care whether you or anyone else thinks the argument won't work.

It's the truth. The end.

Posted by: lcrider1 | November 22, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The republicans have done everything they can to make sure there are no economic, financial, health care growth, etc with their main goals of destroy our president, win at any cost and the surivial of our country be dammed.
They have voted against policies to help small business, returning outsourced jobs, veterans, less fortunate, unemployed, less fortunate, students, regulations and on and on and on.
And now they are obstructing a very important peace treaty.
The ONLY bill they support is the continuation of tax cuts, perks,benefits for the wealthy, Wall St and big business.
If this does not tell you who they truly represent I do not know what would.

Posted by: kathlenec | November 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The GOP and their Corporate constituency are holding back economic recovery: why else are they sitting on all that dough and not hiring, etc.? They want to make Pres. O look bad and lose in 2010. The Repubs will win, Corporations will start hiring, and the rest is history.

Posted by: dozas | November 22, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

This is a complicated argument to make to the public.

First, the left must convince Americans that liberal nostrums are what is best for America.

Then the left must convince Americans that thier political opponent's behavior is determental to the implementation of the liberal nostrums.

Then the left must convince Americans that this behavior is motivated by a desire to see Obama fail.

Then, to complete the circle, the left must convince Americans that Obama's failure is America's failure.

No, I don't see this line of attack working well for the left at all. It is complicated argument requiring a lot of buy in from folks who may not be as attuned to hard ball American politics as we here think we are.

That coupled with a resounding defeat of liberals in the recent election make this a tough, tough sale.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | November 22, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

OT: Under the new TSA full-body X-ray pat-down-your-privates regimen, Adam Savage recently walked onto an airplane flight--unintentionally, mind you--with two 12 inch razor blades.

I feel more secure already.

http://www.viralviralvideos.com/2010/11/21/adam-savage-tsa-razor-blade-story/

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 22, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The WSJ, BotW has a great line concerning the election of Bela Pelosi as Democrat, minority leader today:

"Who better to lead the Democrat minority than the person who created it".

Now that's clever!

You talk about Republicans who want Obama to fail!! Nobody, but NOBODY has worked harder to see Obama and all his 'crats fail as Bela Pelosi and she's on his side.

If one of his own contributes to his failure as much as Pelosi has to Obama, how can you blame Obama's political enemies from doing at least as much??

You really can't, that's how!

What else is happening????

Posted by: battleground51 | November 22, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The GOP and their Corporate constituency are holding back economic recovery: why else are they sitting on all that dough and not hiring, etc.? They want to make Pres. O look bad and lose in 2012. The Repubs will win, Corporations will start hiring, and the rest is history.

Unlike McCain's phony "Country First" campaign theme, the GOP candidate's should be, "Power First."

Posted by: dozas | November 22, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

All, here's why DADT repeal is still not dead:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/psst_dadt_repeal_is_still_not.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 22, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The Obamatons are at it again and I hope Republicans make it fail. The Democrats are all hot to grant a big amnesty scam to a whole lotta outlaw "immigrants". The outrages just keep on coming outta the maw of the Obamanation. It's amazing!

It's called the "DREAM ACT" and what's happening is the Reid'ocrats are dreaming up new ways to add new bodies to their dwindling rolls of legitimate voters.

If they can't get real Americans to vote for their sorry butts, they'll just invent some new ones to do the job.

Kinda like printing new money to cover their old, delinquent debts.

Posted by: battleground51 | November 22, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Republicans want to sabotage the economy. I do think they want Obama to fail; The economy is just collateral damage (along with national security).

Posted by: kmy042 | November 22, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Greg. The Repubs attitude to "helping" the economy recover is not so much sabotage, but more like "collateral damage" in their drive to delegitimize and neuter Obama's presidency and suffocate the Democratic agenda - regardless, no-one ever calls them on it. Undereported fact - before Obama was even inaugurated, Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell decided, extremely cynically, that bi-partisanship would legitimize Obama's presidency - so, even before Obama was sworn in, before his administration started trying to do anything, including saving this county's economy from falling into an abyss, McConell instructed EVERY Republican to vote against EVERYTHING - because, as he is quoted in the only NY Time article about this - "if the proponents of the bill were able to say it was bipartisan (even with ONE Republican vote), it tended to convey to the public that this is O.K."... the article states that McConnell thought "even minimal Republican support could sway the public". This was regardless of whether the Republicans thought it was good policy or even if it had been proposed by them in the past..

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html

This had nothing to do with policy - it was all about politics and delegitimizing a popularly elected President who had large majorities in both houses, with a country reassessing the validity of the whole conservative agenda.

McConnell's strategy, combined with the misrepresentations about any of these policies, was successful, as seen by the results in the midterms - and was aided and abetted by Fox News, the right wing talkers and even the mainstream media.

It may have not been sabotage, but it was clearly the epitome of politically opportunistic cynicism and may have resulted in slowing economic recovery with many more lives traumatized - and most shamefully, in my opinion, totally unpatriotic.

Posted by: adsdan | November 22, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I happen to think the "economic sabotage" argument is not going to work.

I don't particularly care whether you think it is going to work. The point is it is true. Consider the Republican contribution to the Economic Stimulus. Look how they pretend TARP was unnecessary. They are not making sincere arguments about deficits, and frankly, the whole small government arguement is nonsense designed to fool idiots. Call me old fashioned, but I still want to see guillotines on the mall.

Posted by: danp4 | November 22, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Call me old fashioned, but I still want to see guillotines on the mall."

You bring the guillotines and I'll supply the pikes.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 22, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

About time someone figured this out....
Listen to the 'certainty' argument employers are parroting. Certainty for who? The certainty these guys are talkng about is their own tax certainty and has nothing to do with hiring employees. The whole argument has been about PERSONAL TAXES not business taxes.
Tell me where in a free market system is 'certainty' guaranteed?

Posted by: priceisright | November 22, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Funny how right-wingers are up in arms about being accused of wanting to pursue economic sabotage in order to derail President Obama's re-election, when GOP governors have already explicitly stated this as their goal. From an article in that bastion of liberalism, the Wall Street, Journal, ominously titled, "GOP Governors Plot Budget Cuts With Eye to 2012" http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703374304575623052778431116.html:

"Newly elected Republican governors are preparing to wrestle with huge budget gaps in states already struggling with foreclosures and high joblessness. If they succeed, they say, that could alter the political hue of the Rust Belt, which Barack Obama swept during the 2008 campaign, and it could complicate President Obama's bid for a second term.

"This is put-up-or-shut-up time for all of us," said Mr. Walker of himself and the other Midwest Republican governors-elect, who gathered here for a meeting of the Republican Governors Association.

"If we do what we said we would do in the campaign, there is no doubt it will be harder for Obama" to carry states such as Wisconsin and Ohio in 2012, Mr. Walker said."

Along with Rush Limbaugh's "I hope he fails" remark and Mitch McConnell's proclamation that defeating Obama is his number one priority, there should be no doubt that the GOP's intentions are precisely what Krugman, Benen, and Yglesias stated they were.

Posted by: puakev | November 22, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I am so amazed by puakev's position that I want to restate it just to insure I have it right.

Basically puakev is saying that if the newly elected govenors close their budget deficits and restore economic prosperity to their states they will be doing this solely to see Obama fail?

did I get that right?

It seems like simple facts to me. The rust belt was in deep trouble before Obama was elected. The people in those states voted for him. Things have gotten worse, not better and therefore the people went with candidates whose policies are different from Obama's in this recent election.

If those policies actually result in improvement the people will see that. They will also see that the people who advanced those policies don't support Obama. Therefore Obama will not have a warm welcome in the rust belt.

did I vote for John Kasich because I knew that electing him would make it harder for Mr Obama to acheive a second term? NO. I voted for him because I wanted a different approach to my state's enduring problems.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | November 22, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

just a historical reminder to this blood thirsty person:
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Call me old fashioned, but I still want to see guillotines on the mall.
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Ultimately, the jacobins lead robespierre to the guillotine. Once the heads start rolling for how long do you think you'll keep yours?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | November 22, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

This whole line of reasoning is based on blaming the Republicans for Obama's failures.

It is based on blaming someone else for Obama not being able to do what he said he could do.


AND this is like PRE-BLAME, let's blame the Republicans before they do anything.


This isn't the kind of politics the American People like,

Posted by: RedDogs | November 22, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The opposition is supposed to oppose but shouldn't that opposition at least offer some legitimate alternative and be made with at least a hint of honesty? I think that is really the point here ... it isn't so much that the GOP disagrees with the proposals being brought forth by the Dems, it's that they are disagreeing with lies and offering absolutely no alternative that any reasonable person could accept.

Seriously, they screech - THE DEBT THE DEBT, then offer tax cuts to millionaires.

They screech ENTITLEMENTS ENTITLEMENTS, then allege death panels when a proposal is made to reduce the growth of Medicare.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 22, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Or this:

What I find especially noteworthy, though, are double-dippers -- those Republicans who endorsed (and in several cases, co-sponsored) legislation to make an individual health care mandate the law of the land, but nevertheless signed onto McConnell's brief declaring an individual health care mandate unconstitutional.

It's quite a motley crew: Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Kit Bond (R-Mo.), Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Mike Crapo (R-Idaho), Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), John McCain (R-Ariz.), and John Thune (R-S.D.). All seven supported the individual mandate, right up until Democrats agreed with them, at which point they decided their own idea was unconstitutional. (My personal favorite is Grassley, who proclaimed on Fox News, during the fight over Obama's plan, "I believe that there is a bipartisan consensus to have individual mandate.")

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 22, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/happy_hour_roundup_134.html

Posted by: sargegreg | November 22, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"Left accuses GOP of economic "sabotage"

Hmm, Dems control both houses of congress and the Executive. And, the GOP is sabotaging the economy. Okie Dokie. Time for the men in white coats carrying butterfly nets to be called in.

Posted by: illogicbuster | November 22, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

@ skipsailing28

The governors named in the Wall Street Journal article plan on slashing spending in their states and cutting the salaries of state employees. The actions of those like Governors-elect Kasich in Ohio and Walker in Wisconsin, who have rejected funds for high-speed rail systems, will cause the loss of thousands of jobs connected to those plans.

You seem to think that slashing government jobs and public services will somehow magically make the economy better (how is austerity working in Ireland by the way?). Rather, they will have the effect of making the economies in those states even worse as has been the case in Ireland, the jobless rate will increase as government employees are thrown into the ranks of the unemployed by spending cuts, constituents will be angry at the loss of services, and no doubt the Republicans will shamelessly blame it on President Obama.

That is what these GOP governors are up to. By doing things like costing their states thousands of jobs by firing government workers and cancelling public works programs, by cutting down the public safety net, these governors are all but guaranteeing a higher level of misery and sabotaging any chance at economic recovery. Which they will conveniently blame on President Obama in 2012.

Posted by: puakev | November 22, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm reluctant to get in the middle of a beautiful brouhaha (albeit spin-built and specious)...

But the economy, very little by very slow is getting better:

Factory output +0.5%
10/2010 Retail +1.2%
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/story/print?guid=63A56696-F325-11DF-A4C6-00212804637C

Commodities are rising, so we gots us some (a little ominous) inflation.

Just some observations:
1) QE2 is definitely inflationary and actually not even necessary if it's deflation they're skeered of. It won't do negative bupkus for jobs.
2) The commenters at Benen's shop are cosmically ignorant re: macro/econ. And, just sayin', the most virulent&crazed haters of all things Middle: -of-road, -class, -ground, Earth etc.. Benen feeds them poison&BS and they just power/chow and barf. It's ThinkCrackProg for gitz who've outgrown Justin Bieber.

Posted by: tao9 | November 22, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Yea that works, the economy has nothing to do with, let say the way our President and the current congress has been focusing like a laser. Out of control spending, uncertainty of where taxes are going. Just uncertainty of of the whole business environment.

Posted by: tateofpa | November 22, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has never had a problem committing actual treason against the United States to get its policy work done. Who does Cantor work for lately? How did Reagan get Iran to release the hostages on the day, the very day, of his inauguration, and how did they get all those spare parts for their pre-Revolution American military aircraft? How did the 1968 Paris accords go so wrong?
In every case, we now know through historic documents and testimony that the GOP used its operatives to interfere with the foreign policy of the United States. Just like a large number of Republican owned and managed corporations were financing Hitler and Stalin both, before and during the war. Capitalism is amoral, and the party that thinks only of furthering capital is the most amoral of all.

Posted by: sparkplug1 | November 22, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

So your argument is what's good for the goose is good for the gander? That argument, carried to its logical conclusion is: the parties are the same. I mean, if you're both doing the same thing, how do you think the great unwashed middle will interpret it?

Not that leftist partisans are any brighter than rightist partisans...sigh.

Posted by: umaspankhurst | November 22, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

An open comment to Red Dogs & company (you know who you are) Red Dogs = Republican D*ckheads
Blah, blah, blah!

I've got three words for you George Walker Bush, there's your failure, not Obama.

You'll be back into the wilderness soon enough just as quickly as America realizes that the Tea Party is merely the 21st Century incarnation of the Know-Nothings. Suck on that.

Posted by: Stentor | November 22, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Sabotage? The left has been guilty of economic arson for 4 years now.

If anything business owners are holding back on hiring because they have no idea what our Marxist President will do next. I personally believe that the economy will recover quickly in 2011 as business owners realize Obama will get nothing of his socialist agenda accomplished with Republicans in charge in Congress.

Posted by: mitchellvii | November 22, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

funny how, after 2 years of skewering him, the dems are now accusing republicans of the same thing that rush limbaugh has been accusing obama of.

Posted by: dummypants | November 22, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

It's ludicrous to try to compare the Republican efforts to sabotage the economy for electoral gain with Democratic opposition to the Iraq invasion. Every action the Republicans take hinders and obstructs all efforts to improve the economy and to help people suffering because of the result of Republican "free" market idolatry. Right now, just in time for Christmas, the Republicans are refusing to extend unemployment benefits. I guess unemployed Americans and their families are supposed to starve and die? I'm sure that somehow or other the Republicans will claim that this is the fault of the Democrats. Some liberals certainly and rightly opposed the Iraq invasion, but what actions were taken to impede and obstruct the war? None. It's actually funny that the Republicans are not only obstructing any progress on the economic front, but are actually feigning outrage that people notice it.

Posted by: ejs2 | November 22, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama hasn't introduced anything that would be good for the economy so it would
be difficult to "sabotage". All of Obama's
favorite things are bad for the economy:
higher tax, health care, energy,
and regulatory costs. Trade agreements would be welcome but the unions are holding them hostage. Editing the health care and financial bills for sanity and efficacy would be embraced. Removing all of the unconstitutional affirmative action clauses from the bills would reap savings and support. A bill
to substantially increase the number of
highly educated and highly skilled immigrants from China and India would
be wonderful since less than 38% of
American 12th graders test at grade level.
Another good plan would be to stop giving
technology away to China and enforce
trade agreements.

Posted by: giatny | November 22, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with this economic sabotage argument is that it is really impossible to point to anything, prior to the election of Scoot Brown, that the Republicans actually ever held back, that the Democrats themselves were willing to do.
This constant "drown of blame" coming from the White House just means that they are afraid to look in the mirror.

Posted by: warnerme | November 23, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

The problems with your moronic meme are numerous, but let's stick to the easy ones.

The Demtards have controlled Congress since 2006 and in so had the POWER to effect policy in Iraq. The Republicans have held no such sway in during the Obama administration. Remember the Harry Reid proclamation of a "LOST WAR" occurred on 20 Apr 2007.

Obama and the Demtards have controlled both Houses of Congress and the Legislative Branch for the past 2 years. His failures are is own and the party's. To plea otherwise is simply to ignore reality.

Posted by: NelsonMuntz | November 23, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

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