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Posted at 6:04 PM ET, 11/18/2010

Happy Hour Roundup

By Greg Sargent

* This is getting good. Sources tell Glenn Thrush that Nancy Pelosi is telling Obama that Dems must hold the line and only extend the middle class tax cuts:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told President Barack Obama that House Democrats remain firmly committed to allowing Bush-era tax cuts expire for earners making more than $250,000 -- a move that could complicate the administration's efforts to reach a compromise with Republicans.

* And even better, I'm told that Pelosi just had this exchange with a reporter in the Capitol:

REPORTER: "Are you going to have a vote on middle class tax cuts in early December?"

PELOSI: "That is the plan."

We still don't know what the Senate will do, but this is another good sign -- more proof that Pelosi's role will be to continue urging the White House and other Dem leaders to hold the line on core liberal priorities and on issues important to the Dem base. And it comes after Steny Hoyer told Dems today that they will get a vote just on extending the middle class ones.

* More reaction to the Hoyer news: Ezra says Dems should tie that vote to extending unemployment insurance, and Chait says Dems needn't fear a vote on the high end cuts too.

* Also: Kevin Drum cautiously asks whether Dems are growing a brain (though another anatomical reference might have been more appropriate), and Jed Lewison notes that this will boost Dem leverage over the final outcome.

* Steve Benen: "It's not every day the two parties' approaches to government get spelled out so clearly."

* This seems kind of important: As David Kurtz notes, a senior Obama administration official has now conceded that the Bush administration tortured.

* More movement on DADT: The Pentagon appears to be actively pushing for repeal to happen during the lame duck session.

* And still more movement: Joe Lieberman and other Senators confirm publicly what I reported here yesterday: Democrats are confident they have the GOP votes they need to repeal DADT if a full and open amendment process is permitted.

By the way, Lieberman has been really good on this issue, working hard behind the scenes to corral support and urging the Pentagon to hurry up and release its study finding DADT repeal wouldn't harm the military.

* Question of the day, from John Cole, in response to Dems appearing to stiffen their resolve on the Bush tax cuts and DADT repeal:

Is our Democrats learning? Or are they just trying to get our hopes up again so they can fail in the most spectacular way possible?

* Michael Scherer, on why the new media landscape means that Obama triangulates at his own peril.

* Provocative question from Matt Duss: Could GOP obstructionism on START lead to an Iranian nuke?

* Ben Pershing floats an interesting idea: Tom Perriello for Senate.

* Ari Berman makes a case for Nancy Pelosi that seems inarguable.

* And Sam Stein reports that Fox Newsers have now been caught on tape mocking Sarah Palin.

Wait a second, didn't right wingers go absolutely ballistic when Katie Couric got caught doing the same? Why, yes, they did. Funny, that.

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | November 18, 2010; 6:04 PM ET
Categories:  Happy Hour Roundup, House Dems, House GOPers, Political media, Senate Dems, Senate Republicans, taxes  
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Comments

Charlie Rangel apologized to the country today.


Is it possible that all the other liberals in the nation could do the same???


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Could GOP obstructionism on START lead to an Iranian nuke?"

Yes. Thank you Think Progress.

"a senior Obama administration official has now conceded that the Bush administration tortured."

Yes. Torture is a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 18, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

So the democratic strategy is to PRETEND that there wasn't election this year ???


Funny, that seems EXACTLY like the strategy the democrats had all year long...

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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ethan's

Do you concede that your constant re-printing of democratic talking points is torture ???


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

There's no wrong answer to this, obviously. But, how much of the desire to raise the tax rate on those earning above $250K is because the government needs the money and there is no where else to cut, versus, those earning $250K just are not paying enough, in the sense that the current rate is unfair?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | November 18, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is trying to figure out how to get Palin gone before their Tampa convention. She knows it, they know it. The fat old white guys won't have any problem pinching off Michael Steele.

Palin has to decide...will attacking Rove, Gillespie & Barbour be as fun and profitable as attacking the lamestream media? Obvious answer: no. But if I were her, I wouldn't know anything, so who am I to say?

Posted by: shrink2 | November 18, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

By the way, the Right Wing Teapublican fringe email list I'm on (you know, Floyd Brown's list) is hyping the ever-loving heck out of the fact that there will probably be a vote on the DREAM Act.

Worth keeping an eye out.

Everything I'm reading on the Right is that there will be no enforcement in the DREAM Act and that any illegal alien can just lie their way into the country. Sounds completely far-fetched like all of their lies.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 18, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

What disturbs the nation is that the democrats seem so ready and eager for a "class struggle" as their guiding motivation.

It shows how they really think.

Yes, the Free Trade deals changed the income distribution in this country. However, that should be fixed by modifying those agreements. By adopting a requirement that trade should be balanced, and by limiting the effects of Free Trade by targeted re-training, the Free Trade agreements can be made stronger for America.

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The nation needs targeted tax cuts which focus on job creation.

It is clear that Obama and the democrats hyjacked the Keynsian idea of a stimulus and twisted it to support their pet projects - that severely limited the effectiveness of the $800 Billion.


Obama and the democrats had a shallow view of what the stimulus had to do, or they just didn't care - they had an excuse to spend money.

That is why the American People have lost confidence in the democrats on Capitol Hill.


The democrats are still marching around like they are still in control.

The American People have told them to stop, and they still won't listen. They misinterpreted their mandate two years ago, they refused to listen on health care, and now this childish insistence on working on their liberal agenda in their lame duck.

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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"any illegal alien can just lie their way into the country"

This is true. And this is true because the American business community, small businesses in hospitality (cleaning motel rooms) to huge agribusiness (picking, killing, packing) needs this to stay competitive in a "free" market: cheap labor that does not talk back.

The only people who don't get this are downwardly mobile Americans who keep voting for Republicans.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 18, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Shrink

You asked before about a way out of the Economic Crisis

First, targeted tax cuts for job creation and investment in US based businesses.

Tax incentives to NOT export jobs.

Revise the Free Trade Agreements to require balanced trade. At the end of every month, stop all unloading of all ships until our exports equal the value of the imports.

Then they can start up the unloading again.

It is pretty simple.

Start there.


OH, and cut the spending, Cut the deficits as drastically as possible.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Of course, it is quite clear in the language of the DREAM Act text that aliens would have to apply to DHS, that the burden of proof of the content of their application is on the alien, and that there is a penalty of a fine and/or up to 5 years in prison for making false statements on their application.

Seems like a pretty straight-forward law to me:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111J2U2uk:e1605:

If you want to see some of the Right's lies, just Google "Ten Things You Need To Know About S.3827, The DREAM Act"

Here is one factcheck on the right-wing lies:

http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201005130009

Greg, I'd love to see some factual push-back on the right's lies about the DREAM Act. Thanks.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 18, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Kevin, if you're around, can I just reiterate that you ROCK for writing Whack-a-troll? You're saving Plum Line.

Posted by: cheles | November 18, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Hold the vote and make it clear on the middle class tax cut and make it clear that the Dems will filibuster ANY bill that reduces mariginal tax rates on income above $250,000. The President should also say that he will veto any such bill that passes.

Put an end to this. Make it clear. Let them scream and yell and pound the table.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Rangel at least had the dignity to apologize to the nation today.


Will the liberals apologize to their fellow Americans for voting for Obama ???

Just go up to your friends and people you know and say "I apologize to you for voting for Obama."


It is time to start the healing in America.


This is the way to do it.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

cheles at 7:05 PM


If you were actually using the software, you wouldn't be making comments like that, now would you?

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Prag

In response, the Republican WILL IMPEACH Obama.


One count will be violating the 4th Amendement Rights of Americans getting on planes - by touching their "junk."

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Hold the vote and make it clear on Obama's IMPEACHMENT and make it clear that the Republicans will hold hearings and list at least 10 different counts of Impeachment.
The Senate will be CONSTITUTIONALLY REQUIRED to hold a trial and go through the charges one-by-one.

Put an end to this. Make it clear. Let them scream and yell and pound the table.

Let's put an end to this right now

Case closed.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, Dems are still in power, so presumably they won't need to filibuster anything. They just need to have the votes. Simple majorities in both chambers will get the cuts for ten years. A 60 vote superminority will be sufficient to shove tax cuts down the throats of the 25% population majority represented by Republican Senators.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 18, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I do not know why the democrats are so eager to further poison the atmosphere ahead of the Republicans taking control of the House.

It is COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL.

It is irrational on a few counts

1) If Obama wants to have any accomplishments, or pass anything over the next two years, he needs the Republicans to compromise.

2) The democrats just lost the election, and they risk offending the American People further

3) The democrats risk the charge "that they are not listening to the people"

4) This is bad poltics for the democrats because they risk people making decisions about 2012 now


5) It is HORRIBLE ECONOMIC POLICY - raising taxes in the middle of an Economic Crisis - and further dragging down the economy and hiring.

It is astonishing actually that two weeks after an election, the democrats would be acting this way.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

This morning, I noted Abe Foxman's pathetic response to Glenn Beck's anti-Semitic theme in his attack on Soros and that the ADL had recently given an award to Murdoch. And today, after Ailes referred to NPR management as "Nazis", this is what followed (keeping in mind that ADL's motto is "fighting anti-Semitism, bigotry and extremism")...

"I was of course ad-libbing and should not have chosen that word," Ailes wrote in a letter to Abe Foxman, ADL's national director. "but I was angry at the time because of NPR's willingness to censor Juan Williams for not being liberal enough."

Foxman, a Holocaust survivor, replied: "I welcome Roger Ailes apology, which is as sincere as it is heartfelt. Nazi comparisons of this nature are clearly inappropriate and offensive. While I wish Roger had never invoked that terminology, I appreciate his efforts to immediately reach out and to retract his words before they did any further harm."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011180024

But all of this follows a pattern of Foxman and the ADL isolating as proper targets only those who criticize Israeli government policy. If those critics happen to be themselves American Jews (Tony Judt, Chomsky, etc etc) the criticism will be predictably more unhinged.

What's going on is that the ADL and Foxman have joined the project to support rightwing governments here and in Israel. That's the game.

Posted by: bernielatham | November 18, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"any illegal alien can just lie their way into the country"

This is true. And this is true because the American business community, small businesses in hospitality (cleaning motel rooms) to huge agribusiness (picking, killing, packing) needs this to stay competitive in a "free" market: cheap labor that does not talk back.

The only people who don't get this are downwardly mobile Americans who keep voting for Republicans.
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And then there are those of us who see a demographic time bomb with Social Security as the boomers age. To deal with iw We can (a) cut benefits, (b) raise taxes, or (c) increase immigration. What seems to be the most painless?

IMHO, part of the reason Japan has had a miserable time getting out of their funk is because they have an aging population, low birth rates, and absolutely refuse to accept immigrants.

We should welcome immigrants. They contribute way more than they take out.

Posted by: sold2u | November 18, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Right now, DDAWD, you're right ... the Dems hold majorities in both houses. My point, however, is that if the Republicans in the Senate filibuster the middle class cut during lame duck, it needs to be made clear that it is not going to be an easier for them to get their way in the next Congress. In effect, it needs to be made clear that this is what it is going to be -- a cut for the middle class and nothing for marginal rates over $250K - not in this final session of the 111th Congress and not anytime during the 112th Congress. They can call it whatever they want whenever they want to but that's the way it's going to be - a cut on all income up to $250,000 and 39.6% on all income over $250,000.

This way, when they start posturing and posing that they are going to wait it out or that the Dems are trying to increase taxes on the majority of Americans, the issue has already been clearly framed - the Dems are ready today, tomorrow, next month, next year to cut taxes on the income of every American but we will not be held hostage by GOP gifts to the rich.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

And then hold the vote on START. Hold the vote on DADT. Hold the vote on the DREAM Act. Hold the vote on a unemployment benefits. Let them propose their amendments and vote them down. If they don't want to negotiate in good faith, if they want to delay and obstruct and obfuscate, let them - make them put it on the record for all to see. Make them vote no.

If they want to fight about everything, fight back.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

The ever so brilliant Mike Pence explaining his and DeMint's legislation. First he admits the Bush tax cuts haven't worked, then he asks for an extension, then he asks for more.

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"Jim DeMint and I are offering legislation on Capitol Hill today to say, look, let's make all the current tax rates permanent, uh, and then let's start to work from there toward putting in place the kind of policies that'll really get this economy moving again. You know, I think it's fair to say, if the current tax rates were enough to create jobs and generate economic growth we'd have a growing economy. It's not working now. Let's at least give some certainty there and then we'll fight for more tax relief."

Posted by: lmsinca | November 18, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Holy cow, lms ... that's supreme nonsense even for a known nitwit like Pence.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I know prag, I guess that's compromise they can believe in. I'm not holding out much hope, just a sliver, that Dems hold their ground though. Looks like it's going to be an interesting lame duck session anyway, which will give Greg lots of fodder.

Posted by: lmsinca | November 18, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Stop trying to make Lieberman look responsible.

Thanks.

Posted by: pj_camp | November 18, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Stipulated (as an article of faith and policy) by Leonhardt@NYT today, an AllLefty blog cloud on Memeorandum, Speaker Pelosi and the Obama Admin: tax cuts do not create economic growth.

Why, if they didn't ever work & won't work ever in future, the Dem angsty discussion on extending cuts for anybody?

Posted by: tao9 | November 18, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Stipulated (as an article of faith and policy) by Leonhardt@NYT today, an AllLefty blog cloud on Memeorandum, Speaker Pelosi and the Obama Admin: tax cuts do not create economic growth.

Why, if they didn't ever work & won't work ever in future, the Dem angsty discussion on extending cuts for anybody?

Posted by: tao9 | November 18, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

You know what the Dems should do? Pass new taxes where the lower brackets pay even less than they do now. And pay for these cuts with tax increases for the richest. Perhaps even add new brackets. Make it deficit neutral and pass it with reconciliation.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 18, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"Stipulated (as an article of faith and policy) by Leonhardt@NYT today, an AllLefty blog cloud on Memeorandum, Speaker Pelosi and the Obama Admin: tax cuts do not create economic growth.

Why, if they didn't ever work & won't work ever in future, the Dem angsty discussion on extending cuts for anybody?

November 18, 2010 10:02 PM "

You're lying. You can not post a link where the guy says that tax cuts do not create growth. Desperate to be in the Palin fan club, eh?

Of course, feel free to prove me wrong. Oh yeah, you can't.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 18, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

On January 1, 2011, all the Bush cuts expire according to the terms passed by the GOP ten years ago. The President needs to draw a line in the sand - there will be no further cuts to mariginal tax rates on income over $250,000 - period. Any bill that crosses his desk including such a cut will be vetoed. It will then be up to Congress to either pass a cut for all Americans on all income up to $250,000 or Congress will have decided that there will be no tax relief for anyone.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

David Leonhardt notes that evidence of the Bush tax cuts’ beneficial impact on growth is difficult to find.
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/11/growth-and-the-bush-tax-cuts/

Posted by: tao9 | November 18, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Nonstory of the day. I've been reading the comments section and have yet to read anyone whining about the expense of Obama traveling to the NATO summit. As the talkmeisters haven't raised a fuss, no one has picked up on it. To be blunt, those repeating the latest outrage ginned up on talk radio are merely lemmings parroting their masters' voice.

It's spread to once respected commenters. George Will once had an independent voice. A conservative one, but independent nonetheless. He suddenly picked up the call for the Fed to focus solely on price stability. A thought of his own? No. It's merely the latest salvo from the right and he felt it necessary to repeat talking points. Sad to see him reduced to a parrot. Squawk!

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 18, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Leonhardt says the Bush tax cuts did not create growth and he cites specific evidence to support his statement.

Most reasonable economists agree that tax cuts - particularly on high income - are the least stimulative of any government activity that results in higher deficits.

If the GOP wants to reduce the deficit and the GOP wants to create economic growth the last thing they should be doing is cutting marginal tax rates on high income. Instead, they cancelled a meeting with the President of the United States so they could preen in front of the cameras and screech about cutting marginal tax rates on income over $250,000.

EFF EM

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"David Leonhardt notes that evidence of the Bush tax cuts’ beneficial impact on growth is difficult to find.
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/11/growth-and-the-bush-tax-cuts/

November 18, 2010 10:19 PM"

Was that so hard? Why lie? Just post what was actually said and let people decide.

"evidence of the Bush tax cuts’ beneficial impact on growth is difficult to find" is very different from "tax cuts do not create economic growth"

Stop lying. We all have the internet here.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 18, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

bernie wrote: "What's going on is that the ADL and Foxman have joined the project to support rightwing governments here and in Israel. That's the game."

Are you saying the Obama administration is rightwing?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | November 18, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is criminal behavior, and that is exactly what it is, should not ever be rewarded. Especially when it will elevate them above other legal filers trying to do it the right way. No, the liberal dream of amnesty to secure a voting block has to end....NOW!

Posted by: steelers01 | November 18, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD,

Why don't you spend a second and actually, you know, read what tao wrote before going all butthurt on him. Jeebus.

Why not confiscate all income over $250K? That is a serious question. What would be the downside to that?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | November 18, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

DDAWG,

Forgive me, I'm a liar and not as educated as you, so I didn't see all that much difference between the two juxtaposed statements.

I also apparently seem to have mistaken what I understood to be the golden thread of liberal rhetoric since Jimmah.

Doh!

So, I'll go straight to the sourcewizard:

DDAWG, in your opinion, did the various iterations of tax cuts of the last 30 years create economic growth in the US economy?

Posted by: tao9 | November 18, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWG,

Forgive me, I'm a liar and not as educated as you, so I didn't see all that much difference between the two juxtaposed statements."

Lying isn't about education. It's about an intent to deceive.

And of course you saw a difference. Again. Stop lying.

Why is it so important to you people to be in this conservative club anyways?

Posted by: DDAWD | November 18, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

tao9: "Stipulated (as an article of faith and policy) by Leonhardt@NYT today, an AllLefty blog cloud on Memeorandum, Speaker Pelosi and the Obama Admin: tax cuts do not create economic growth. Why, if they didn't ever work & won't work ever in future, the Dem angsty discussion on extending cuts for anybody?"

Lower and middle class income people are more likely to spend their extra money (tax relief) which has a positive impact on local economies.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 18, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I already said I'm a liar, piling on is unsporting.

Stop ddawdling:

In your opinion, did the various iterations of tax cuts of the last 30 years create economic growth in the US economy?

Posted by: tao9 | November 18, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

@cheles: "Kevin, if you're around, can I just reiterate that you ROCK for writing Whack-a-troll? You're saving Plum Line."

Yes, you may. In fact, it's encouraged. ;)

Glad you enjoy it.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 18, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWG, in your opinion, did the various iterations of tax cuts of the last 30 years create economic growth in the US economy?"

What an idiotic question. You want me to take the entire group of tax cuts, which range from breaks on student loan repayments to tax breaks for oil companies and make one big blanket statement about them?

Posted by: DDAWD | November 18, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

That'd be interesting but, no.

Since the subject instant, and at the top of the blog pages, newscasts, and incidentally, my lying post, are the Federal income tax rates, I discourteously wasn't specific enuf for you. Mea Maxima Culpa.

So:

DDAWG, in your opinion, did the various iterations of the federal income tax-rate cuts of the last 30 years create economic growth in the US economy?

Thnx

Posted by: tao9 | November 18, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Look tao, any idiot knows tax cuts are a drag on the economy, ALWAYS!!!!11!!1!111 Except when they're not. Geeez, do we hafta draw you a God D@mn picture?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | November 18, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

"DDAWG, in your opinion, did the various iterations of the federal income tax-rate cuts of the last 30 years create economic growth in the US economy?

Thnx

November 18, 2010 11:24 PM"

Suppose tax cuts created x dollars in deficits.

The cuts provide slightly more growth than if the government had just pocketed the money and not created all that deficit.

However, if the alternative is government spending x on things like infrastructure, tax cuts are creating a huge drag on the country than if the money could have been spent in better ways.

Ok, let's pretend that this is debatable or something.

Posted by: DDAWD | November 18, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

suekzoo,

Agreed. But I'm curious if that's what drove 3%-5% GDP growth for all those years.

{{{BTW, I don't discount Bubba's bond-vigilante driven hikes, he was of course very much helped by the IT boom, but you can't fight history, he had bodacious GDP #'s}}}

Posted by: tao9 | November 18, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else read about this attempted veto override that failed?

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/we-won-bill-retroactively-immunize-mortgage-fraud-defeated

This is the kind of stuff that would happen if Republicans were given back the keys, retroactive immunity to crooks.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 18, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's more detail on that vote as linked by the article above.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/11/tomorrow-congress-will-try-by-secret.html

What a bunch of crooks.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 18, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I might copy&print your 11:32pm and take it to work.

It'll be good for all day giggles with our financial guys-n-gals.

Anthro/PeaceStudies major weren'tcha?

niters & thnx 4 all the fish!

Posted by: tao9 | November 18, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the repeal of DADT really can happen. Murkowski and Ensign have both now said they will vote with the Dems.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 19, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD at 11:32 PM


Suppose that the Federal deficits paid for YOUR education


And without those deficits you would not have an education..........


You can just imagine how foolish you really are....

.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 19, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

mike, don't forget the bill you mention above was passed by a Dem controlled house last spring and unanimously through the Senate in Sept. Once the mortgage fraud/ponzi scheme started taking space on the front page, the President had no choice but to veto it. The vote this week was more procedural than anything else as far as I could tell. Watch for something similar to be tried with MERS next year though. I'm reminded of this quote, for the millionth time.

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"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."

-- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

Posted by: lmsinca | November 19, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Thank God, lms, that back in Lincoln's day which certainly saw its share of crackpots and fools, the statesmen and persons of integrity won out and our country has survived and for the most part thrived. The question now (as always) is whether the statesmen will again stand up and be heard save us or whether the screeching of crackpots will deceive the masses and the country into oblivion.

I am reminded of the video of Cantor and Boehner pointing and laughing during a vote on the floor of the House last year while they played their parliamentary games in order to regain power. Now, as Cantor ascends to a position of incredible power, rather than work with the President of the United States to secure us, he would rather meet with leaders of foreign nations to undermine our President.

We are living in dangerous times without precedent and the Republicans seem to think it is all a joke and a game.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 19, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/the_morning_plum_135.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 19, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

prag

We have three champions holding the corporate feet to the fire and none of them are in Congress, well one is but he's leaving soon, Ted Kaufman, Elizabeth Warren and Phil Angelides. There is a lot riding on their work AFAIC.

Posted by: lmsinca | November 19, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

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