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Minority leader Nancy Pelosi would play rough with GOP

By Greg Sargent

As you know, a lot of people have been arguing that Nancy Pelosi is a bad choice for minority leader because she presided over major losses in the House, she's not a natural communicator, she's deeply unpopular, and she'd represent the face of unrepentant liberalism. Today's much-discussed New York Times editoral opposing her candidacy hits on some of these arguments.

But all this seems to badly miss what one of the most important roles of the new minority leader will be: to draw a very sharp line against GOP efforts to roll back Obama's accomplishments.

This task could matter at least as much for the new minority leader as communications or presenting a new face for the party. And while Pelosi clearly has a negative and polarizing image, few would argue that she hasn't succeeded at building coalitions and maintaining unity at moments of extreme political stress -- exactly what she'll need to do if she's going to hold the line against repeal efforts.

The key thing to understand is that we're about to enter a period of bruising procedural wars -- precisely the type of thing that Pelosi has already excelled at. Republicans are already discussing ways to starve the new health-care law by, say, limiting funding to agencies that would implement portions of it or using spending bills to block federal insurance regulations they don't like. The next minority leader will have to be ruthless in her willingness to use procedural tactics to combat this kind of stuff.

I just checked in with Norm Ornstein, a congressional expert and senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and he confirmed the above reading of her role to me. He allowed that Pelosi had made some missteps -- moving on "cap and trade" before health care, and failing to adequately sell the stimulus.

But he dismissed the idea that Dem losses last week are relevant, insisting that the new minority leader's chief role will be to "hold the line against repeal and keep the troops together and use the limited weapons available to the minority to put the Republicans on the defensive."

"She's in a stronger position to do that than others," Ornstein continued. "She showed in the last two years how strong she is as a strategist, and she may very well be able to use that strategic capacity to exacerbate some of the schisms that Republicans already have. She understands at least as well as anyone else how to use the process."

One other thing: It turns out this isn't the first time the New York Times has opposed Pelosi for minority leader. Back in 2002, the paper editorialized against her candidacy on the same grounds as today, noting archly that she isn't "a powerhouse on television."

That shortcoming, however, didn't stop her from a tenure that enabled Dems to take back the House in 2006, to win another huge victory in 2008 and to pass more major legislation than any Congress in decades.

By Greg Sargent  | November 8, 2010; 12:29 PM ET
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Comments

Each individual democrat in the country is going to have to decide whether they will continue to support Obama's irrational decision making.

It is a clear choice.

Obama's freaky cult-like campaign themes no longer make any sense in the real world of governing.

Obama's overly aggressive behavior is appearing more and more to be evidence of an unstable personality disorder.

EACH individual democrat is going to have to decide for himself - try to find a message that works and a message that the American People will support OR continue to support an unstable personality disorder which is destroying the democratic party.


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Posted by: BeautifulBeginning | November 8, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"efforts to role back Obama's accomplishments"


Putting a drag on hiring is not an Accomplishment

Dragging down the Economy with uncertainty surrounding health care costs is not an Accomplishment.

Ignoring the Economy is not an Accomplishment.

Wasting billions of dollars on the stimulus is not an Accomplishment

Creating a ticking deficit-time-bomb with the health care plan is not an Accomplishment.

Case closed.


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Posted by: BeautifulBeginning | November 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Plus, as you (or somebody on this blog) has pointed out, the Republicans are going to demonize *anyone* in that position; Nancy can't be demonized any more than they already have done. She's the perfect person for that position in so many ways. . .

I've heard that one of the things the Repubs want to do is to cut the funding for all of those thousands of IRS agents that are going to be running around making sure that we all have our insurance coverage. More power to them on that! Cut that funding--go right ahead, it's imaginary, just like all the jobs created by cutting taxes. . .

Posted by: Michigoose | November 8, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Michigoose

So, the demon we know is better than the demon we don't know?

Or the demon we know is better than the demon who hasn't been fully demonized yet??


Or the demon we know is better than the demon who isn't as much of a demon..... yet ???


Not sure about all this logic here.

Posted by: BeautifulBeginning | November 8, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE Dems, keep Piglosi in a leadership position. The GOP couldn't ask for a better X-Mas present.

Posted by: illogicbuster | November 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Michigoose - Yeah, that was I who said replacing her now would just give the GOP's character assassins more time to demonize her replacement.

From a political standpoint, I think she should take the Minority Leader role for at least a year, then, if she wanted to, "Spend more time with her family," the Dems could replace her.

It took the GOP a long time to turn Nancy Pelosi into a boogy (wo)man. She really isn't that threatening unless you are a wingnut bed-wetter. And there is NOTHING that wingnuts won't tremble over if Limbaugh tells them to. Why give Limbaugh and the wingnuts more time to turn someone else into a "monster?"

Posted by: nisleib | November 8, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Keep her in the spotlight, it will insure a complete takeover of congress in 2012. She will still be minority leader of maybe three dozen democrats left in the house then.

Posted by: Pilot1 | November 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

But all this seems to badly miss what one of the most important roles of the new minority leader will be: To draw a very sharp line against GOP efforts to roll back Obama's accomplishments.

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That is exactly right. She will draw the contrast, just like she did in 2010 and lost 60 seats. 2012 will be just the same. Stay Nancy Stay!!!

Posted by: delusional1 | November 8, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Just proves again and again that liberalism is a genetic disorder.

Posted by: LibFreeUSA2010 | November 8, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Of course the GOP hates a strong and intelligent women who gets positive things done for America. They are fighting for Millionairs and Billionairs Tax breaks at the expense of American Jobs, Infrastructure and manufacturing.

All Bush era tax cuts, along with oil and agricultural subsidies should end, with the Trillions saved used to pay down the deficit, and invest in domestic jobs and infrastructure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/26/AR2010062600222.html

“The Bush tax cuts are really expensive. The tax cuts expire this year. If lawmakers renew all of them, they'd add $6 trillion to the deficit from 2012 to 2022.”

Posted by: Airborne82 | November 8, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"But all this seems to badly miss what one of the most important roles of the new minority leader will be: To draw a very sharp line against GOP efforts to roll back Obama's accomplishments. "

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Go, Nancy, go! Spend the next two years fighting against the change Americans just voted for. Tell the American people over and over again they are too stupid to understand that they're all wrong and Progressives like you are right. Make sure the economy continues to flounder and jobs continue to flee overseas!

Posted by: pmendez | November 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Yep, what Airborne82 said. I've been telling my so-called Blue Dog that for months--let them ALL expire! Until you do that, don't come whining about fiscal responsibility being the reason you couldn't vote for HCR!!

OT--when were you in Airborne? I was there '85 - 90.

Posted by: Michigoose | November 8, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see the Republicans in congress publish the cost to the taxpayers of having Ms Pelosi as speaker.

the military jets can't be cheap and apparently she and her staff were very demanding of the air force.

It would be great from Americans to know just exactly how many millions Ms Pelosi felt should be lavished on her. Now, let's talk about raising taxes, shall we?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | November 8, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I hope the progressive listen to Greg Sargent wisdom and hire Nancy.Only this time shy wont have that over sized gavel!!

Posted by: votingrevolution1 | November 8, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Reduce everyone’s Social Security tax from current 6.2% to 4% by expanding income contribution to all Millionaires and Billionaires income. The GOP wants to shield Billionaires from contributing by cutting Social Security for the elderly.

Politicians have begun their attacks on social security with plans to harm the elderly, by raising the age and reducing the benefits, instead of having the Rich contribute more. Benefits for the elderly should not be reduced in any way to protect the incomes of the wealthy. Social security benefits should be increased and all income, not just the first $107k, modestly taxed to support it. Tax all income, but lower everyone’s tax from current 6.2% to 4%.

Raise the Social Security Tax to include all income and not just up to your first $107k. As more people have gotten wealthy, wealth has been shielded from the Social Security Tax as it has not kept up with inflation.

http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2010/09/20/cutting-benefits-isnt-the-way-to-save-social-security.html

“Cutting Benefits Isn't the Way to Save Social Security: The answer isn't raising the retirement age; it's making the rich pay a fair share. Most people don't know that someone making $300,000 or even $30 million a year pays no more in Social Security taxes than someone earning roughly $107,000. In 1983, 90 percent of wage and salary income was taxed, but today it's less than 84 percent. That's a huge windfall for the rich and a serious shortfall for Social Security.”

Posted by: Airborne82 | November 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"And while Pelosi clearly has a negative and polarizing image..."

Republicans will paste this image on ANY Democratic leader. Anyone, that is, who doesn't do the complete bidding of Republicans.

Can people please stop assuming this is the victim's fault? Repubs will just savage anyone who disagrees with them. It's not Nancy's fault! Nor was it Hillay's fault when the MSM found her "polarizing."

Posted by: ANDYO1 | November 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Keep this nutcase women as the minority leader in the House. She is completely delusional and is the best thing around for the advancement of the GOP. It is not Obama's sell technique, it is his message, it is his agenda, it is him, that we are not buying.

Posted by: walterndebby | November 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Nancy will stay and fight. Somebody has to fight the lies of the right. Obama seems to be afraid of his shadow. Somebody has to point out the full irony of a nation where half the voters are convinced they face a threat of "socialism", where there exists the greatest income disparity between the economic classes (concentration of wealth) of any industrialized "democracy", the least chance of upward mobility, and where the largest transfer of wealth in world history has occured over the last 30 years from the working class to the super rich. I wish Harry Truman were alive and in the white house right now.

Posted by: Jihm | November 8, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Defend her all you like Mr. Sargent, but no House minority leader has any power to form a coalition of her caucus to stop anything in the House. Nancy Pelosi will have no power to do anything but talk. And she doesn't have to be minority leader to do that.

Posted by: infuse | November 8, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Can't stand Pelosi (or Obama). Think their "accomplishments" will be more destructive to the US than any accomplishments (from either party) in the history of the US. Initially thought that Pelosi returning as minority leader would be an early X-mas present to the GOP, but have since changed my mind. The end game here is not to keep the house and to win an every 2 year battle of attrition: It is to put a permanent (ie. not "repealable") liberal/progressive stamp on the entire country. The congressmen(women) who followed Pelosi to their personal detriment are VERY expendable, and well within acceptable collateral damage norms (Obama's lame presser notwithstanding). There may be no one in America better-suited to continue this charge than San Fran Nan. She is hated, doesn't care, and still has enough force of power/personality/persuasion to get those under her charge to walk the political plank to further her agenda. History will likely show her reign to be one of the most important (however defined) ever. GOP should really be careful what it wishes for here.

Posted by: bzod9999 | November 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

There you go again, skip. . .

http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp

Posted by: Michigoose | November 8, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Ruth Marcus disagrees with Greg Sargent (and seems to agree with Pilot1):

The Republican National Committee has changed the sign hanging outside its entrance from "Fire Pelosi" to "Hire Pelosi," which says something about whether its a smart move for House Democrats to retain Nancy Pelosi as their leader. Here's the sign I think should be hanging outside Democratic headquarters: "Hire Hoyer." Steny Hoyer, the current majority leader, is at risk of losing out in the game of musical chairs that's about to begin in the House Democratic caucus. With Pelosi going for -- and almost certainly getting -- the minority leader post, that leaves Hoyer battling for the minority whip position with James Clyburn of South Carolina, the incumbent majority whip. There is a procedural argument in Hoyer's favor here -- everyone should just move down a notch, which would put Clyburn as conference chair, supplanting Connecticut's John Larson. But the stronger argument for hiring Hoyer, I think, is self-interest on the part of House Democrats: if they have any hope of rebuilding their brand and reclaiming the majority, they need a centrist figure such as Hoyer -- especially with Pelosi, make that "San Francisco Democrat Pelosi," as the chief face of House Democrats.

This assessment is not a knock on Clyburn. But over the last two years, the pragmatic Hoyer has repeatedly proven himself a voice of reason within a sometimes unreasonable caucus. When Pelosi said the House would not pass a health-care bill without a public option, Hoyer said that provision might have to go, saying, "I'm for a public option, but I'm also for passing a bill." You know what happened next. Hoyer has dared to suggest that raising the Social Security retirement age should be on the table. He has dared -- perhaps even more bravely -- that the country cannot afford to permanently extend the Bush tax cuts, even for those earning less than $250,000 a year. When Stephen Colbert moved his parody to a House subcommittee, Hoyer had the good sense to call the testimony an "embarrassment."

Perhaps these positions don't make Hoyer the most popular guy among the surviving, mostly liberal, members of his caucus. If they believe they can claw their way back to the majority hewing strictly to the liberal line, maybe Hoyer's not the right choice for whip. If they're happy being purists in the minority, fine. If they hope for a comeback, they'd benefit from keeping Hoyer in the leadership.

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Like somebody already said, the R's will demonize whoever is in there. (Most of these posts are just the usual rants. Give it a rest you jerks.) She did a good job as majority leader and we need her as minority leader. What are we supposed to co, let the Republicans chose our leadership?

Posted by: larry9 | November 8, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the health care bill got passed, but she couldn't get it through without letting it slog painfully through Congress for a year, morph into something no one could easily explain to the voters, and suck all of the political momentum out of the White House.

Posted by: tomtildrum | November 8, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is willing to fight the retards and do whatever it takes to save the country from years of Republican incompetence.

She got health care reform passed when everyone said it was dead.

She's good, that's why the tards hate her so much.

And if the tards think 2012 is going to be like 2010, they're as retarded as I think they are. It's a presidential year and they're going to run Retarded Sarah as their candidate. Democrats will turn out in 2012 like they didn't in 2010.

Posted by: ottoparts | November 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"Just proves again and again that liberalism is a genetic disorder."

So we should eliminate them?

The reason the Repubs are screaming so loudly about her potential election to the minority leader position is that she was/is effective. Repubs don't want an effective minority leader. They want someone who will roll over when they start using eliminationist rhetoric.

Good for Pelosi. I hope she hits them back hard.

Posted by: Alex3 | November 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the link. Let me read a bit more and I'll retract that if indicated. Might as well accuse her of the things she actually did and not things that we only thought she'd done.

Thanks again for the info.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | November 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

the GOP should do what the dems did, change the locks on the doors...
and keep therm out...
in the house there are few procedures the minority can do to do anything...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I notice that John Boehner and Mitch McConnell were not replaced after the Republican drubbings in 2006 and 2008. Now they are geniuses. Democrats do not need to take party leadership advice from lame brained members of the opposition party, talk radio hosts, or the New York Times. Since Obama does not seem capable of playing hardball with those who have been out to destroy him since before he was elected, we will need an alley fighter as tough as liars like John Boehner and Eric Cantor, and Mitch McConnell over the next two years. That ain't Steny Hoyer. Go Nancy.

Posted by: jaypem | November 8, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Leave Nancy Pelosi right where she is. Even as minority leader, she is still better than anyone else the cowardly Democrats have to offer and much better than they deserve. The Dems will need a strong force to fight against the destructive agenda the Republicans have announced. When is the Administration going to get it through its thick skull? That the Republicans are going to stamp their feet and hold their breath until they get what they want.
They will continue to bully and lie their way to a power they have not the least idea what to do with. There has to be at least one person in Congress willing to stand up to the bullies.

Posted by: 85edwardearthlinknet | November 8, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I am happy Pelosi will be back. At best she is only going to be supported by the most liberal safe seats in the house. Other democrats looking at their chances in two years will be against her as will all of the republicans.

The only reason she was successful in passing what she wanted the last two years is not because of some magic strengths but because she had an overwhelming majority. Even with that majority she was only able to pass key legislation by 1 or 2 votes.

As she showed this past election, Pelosi is good for republicans. More independents like O J than do Pelosi.

Posted by: robtr | November 8, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Most people, 90% of us, won't notice the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. It comes down to about $10 bucks a paycheck for me.

I fully expect the Repubs to push it anyhow as their wealthy friends will complain. Ours is a plutocracy now. We might as well admit it.

Posted by: Alex3 | November 8, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

if the liberals were smart they should put pelosi in the timeout chair - if not the remaining liberals who will vote for her bill will be the next tea party target in the next election with her face on the point of the spear.

Posted by: corp21 | November 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

She'll also get roughed up by the GOP . . . the woman is a psychopath.

Posted by: rplat | November 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Pelosi is willing to fight the retards and do whatever it takes to save the country from years of Republican incompetence.
She got health care reform passed when everyone said it was dead.
She's good, that's why the tards hate her so much.
And if the tards think 2012 is going to be like 2010, they're as retarded as I think they are. It's a presidential year and they're going to run Retarded Sarah as their candidate. Democrats will turn out in 2012 like they didn't in 2010.
Posted by: ottoparts | November 8, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse "

pelosi passed a watered down health care bill that is now stripping people of their healthcare, premiums have gone up and starting in 2011, people will pay more...
this is the obama administration, he better create jobs or lose the primary...
he won't make it to the general election...
results, not lies like yours will reelect obama...
nothing else will...
and since obama has the senate he should not have a problem...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Michigoose:

All that your Snopes link "debunked" was that Pelosi did not use the C-32 Boeing 757 (or larger) jet "every weekend" (as of 2008). Assuming that she did use it several more times in 2009 and 2010 easily gets us into MILLIONS of dollars that she indeed took advantage of. Luckily, Boehner's district is just in Ohio.

Just watch though as the new Speaker and GOP House cut their own budgets before tackling the rest of the federal government.

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Most people, 90% of us, won't notice the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. It comes down to about $10 bucks a paycheck for me.
I fully expect the Repubs to push it anyhow as their wealthy friends will complain. Ours is a plutocracy now. We might as well admit it.
Posted by: Alex3 | November 8, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse"

yes you will...
when you lose your jobs because of it...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

DwightCollins said: "Pelosi is willing to fight the retards and do whatever it takes to save the country from years of Republican incompetence.. . . "

"Fight" with what . . . she and her merry band of leftists have been neutered. The Republican majority can ban them to a closet and not give them the correct time of day.

Posted by: rplat | November 8, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

DwightCollins said: "Pelosi is willing to fight the retards and do whatever it takes to save the country from years of Republican incompetence.. . . "

"Fight" with what . . . she and her merry band of leftists have been neutered. The Republican majority can ban them to a closet and not give them the correct time of day.

Posted by: rplat | November 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

85edwardearthlinknet:

What "job" do you think that Steny Hoyer should get then?

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

before the election, I told everyone that many of you who voted for him would lose their jobs...
you did...
now, many more will lose their jobs because you left the dems in control of the senate...
warch for it, come 2011...
and obama will stand there, with his hands in his pockets, playing with himself...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"The key thing to understand is that we're about to enter a period of bruising procedural wars -- precisely the type of thing that Pelosi has already excelled at"

Can you elaborate on that? Is she going to ask for a recorded vote on every amendment or motion? points of order objections? Flood the floor with questions of privilege? These are all delaying tactics that can be overcome by a determined majority. It's a numbers game and Pelosi loses that every single time unless she brings 50+ R votes with her.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | November 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The Pelosi supporters here seem to suffer from a a misunderstanding that their view of the universe is somewhat unique and not at all in tune with about 70% of the electorate.

Posted by: Skeptic1 | November 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd say leave her in her leadership role for another year. While the receding GOP wave gets back down to reality. Don't give the GOP the pleasure of thinking they had anything to do with her stepping down. It'll only empower them more.

As someone mentioned earlier, Boehner and McConnell didn't budge when Dems came to hold the largest majorities in decades. Majorities Republicans could only dream of.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi has a back bone and her main objective is the people of the United States and not corporations!

GOP Party rewarded for "say anything and do anything", even if it's not true, but the American people will be left holding the bag!

Come on America, it is time to get off the "yellow-brick road" and realize that every time corporations and smaller businesses get tax breaks, guess where the taxes rise? Locally and at state levels. The cold-hearted fact is that Everyday, average Americans shoulder the tax burden in this country, due to tax loopholes, tax cuts and tax breaks for wealthy Americans and Corporations who do not need it. Why in the world would Wealthy Americans need more tax breaks when they pay very little taxes anyway, they need to pay their fair share and take the burden off those who can least afford it. These tax-cuts will cost the country $700 Billion, twice the cost of the Healthcare bill. Ironically, GOP hate to extend unemployment benefits to Americans who desperately need them, while violently fighting to extend tax cuts for the wealthy, who do not need them.

GOP mantra cut, cut, cut for the middleclass and poor and extend to military and wealthy. To create jobs, one must invest in America, her infa-structure, technology and innovation, but Party of No only wants to invest in the rich and well connected. On the otherhand, Pres. Obama in India, is on his way to creating 50 to 60 thousands jobs in America by brokering a $10 to 15 billion dollar contract with India. (A little unknown and unemphasized fact is that Pres. Obama has already created more jobs in 8 months than Pres. Bush did in 8 years!)

Another unemphasized fact in regards to Healthcare Reform, would be that the premiums one would pay would be a LOT LESS if it were to become universal. Through reform, prescription medicines are now going to be more affordable, and no one would be denied health coverage due to a pre-conceived condition...., these are just some of the facts. Come on people, we got to get Smarter and wiser here!

And, last but not Least, why in the world, would GOP want to elect a speaker, in John Boehner, who so publically and proudly campaigned for an Ohio Congressman who on the week-ends likes to dress up as a Nazi, a symbol for white supremacy. Has the GOP Congress sunk to a new low?

America it is time to take our country back from wealth-merchants and big business!

Posted by: wdsoulplane | November 8, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Sports franchises get it. Businesses, big and small, get it. When the direction of your concern goes awry, it's time to question the leadership. Hang in there with Nancy Pelosi if you must, but when you give credit for a person's accomplishments, you would hope that those accomplishments are popular, not stinkers like Obamacare, Cap and Trade and the Stimulus, not to mention unemployment benefits, which seem to hang around like an entitlement. Keep Nancy Pelosi. She's the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: petespagnuolo | November 8, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"DwightCollins said: "Pelosi is willing to fight the retards and do whatever it takes to save the country from years of Republican incompetence.. . . "

"Fight" with what . . . she and her merry band of leftists have been neutered. The Republican majority can ban them to a closet and not give them the correct time of day.

Posted by: rplat | November 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse "

rplat included something I never wrote and their report abuse system sucks...
are you listening wapo...

Posted by: DwightCollins | November 8, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

skipsailing28:

Don't back down so easy! Pelosi also took way too many trips abroad during our national economic crisis. Keep in mind that the larger C-32 is actually the plane normally used as "Air Force Two" for the Vice President. The C-32 body is identical to that of the Boeing 757-200, but much more luxurious, divided into four sections:

-- The forward area has a communications center, galley, lavatory and 10 business class seats.

-- The second section is a fully enclosed stateroom for the use of the primary passenger. It includes a changing area, private lavatory, separate entertainment system, two first-class swivel seats and a convertible divan that seats three and folds out to a bed.

-- The third section contains the conference and staff facility with eight business class seats.

-- The rear section of the cabin contains general seating with 32 business-class seats, galley, two lavatories and closets.

http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=90

I still don't know why Congress doesn't just de-fund, except for national emergencies, Air Force Two and ONE!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"But all this seems to badly miss what one of the most important roles of the new minority leader will be: To draw a very sharp line against GOP efforts to roll back Obama's accomplishments" roughly translates to "the job of the minority whip is to keep the majority party from getting anything done."

Hence, nothing is achieved - business as usual.

Posted by: dvovthokie | November 8, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

LibFreeUSA2010 blabbered:
Just proves again and again that liberalism is a genetic disorder.
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Now show us your proof that the world is flat.

Posted by: LifeBeforePrinciple | November 8, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

wdsoulplane,
Nice regurgitation of the moonbat left's ridiculous talking points. One gripe though: You forgot to mention racism. The Rethuglicans, in the pocket of big biz, are RACIST too.

Posted by: bzod9999 | November 8, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

While we are discussing cuts:

DO WE REALLY NEED TO WASTE OVER $2 BILLION (per year) TO RUN THE WHITE HOUSE?

http://whitehousetransitionproject.org/resources/briefing/Patterson-Cost%20of%20WH.pdf

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Each individual democrat in the country is going to have to decide whether they will continue to support Obama's irrational decision making.

Posted by: BeautifulBeginning
=======================================
RESPONDING to YOUR IRRATIONAL OPINION..

MINE is

HELL YES!!

ISA

Posted by: vettesport | November 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

While we are discussing cuts:

DO WE REALLY NEED TO WASTE OVER $2 BILLION (per year) TO RUN THE WHITE HOUSE?

http://whitehousetransitionproject.org/resources/briefing/Patterson-Cost%20of%20WH.pdf

Posted by: JakeD2
======================
I do not get it??

You had no problem when Bush and Cheney spent MORE.

ISA

Posted by: vettesport | November 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh pretty please, keep Nancy in her leadership role.

Posted by: stvcar | November 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

All, my take on Michele Bachmann's bid for the GOP leadership:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/michele_bachmanns_peculiar_def.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi has built a coalition all right - a coalition on the road straight to perdition!
Keep up the good work Nance, we Conservatives just LOVE YA!!!

Posted by: pd2710 | November 8, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Go Nancy..
Republicans hate strong knowledgeable Women that
know the processes and the issues
and
runs on their own money.

ISA

Posted by: vettesport | November 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If she brings her plastic surgeon's scalpal, we'll bring a gun...

Posted by: jahoby | November 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"The next minority leader will have to be ruthless"

Yeah, my understanding is that she is a ruthless and aggressive no-compromiser. I just watched her in action for a few years now.

Anyway, Obama is very much opposed to obstructionism, so he'll most likely tell her not to obstruct the Republican agenda.

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Posted by: ZZim | November 8, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

So, we have at least ONE Democrat who will continue to support Obama's irrational decision making. Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi has built a coalition all right - a coalition on the road straight to perdition! Unfortunately, that skin has finally been stretched on her face so much that her eyes are now covered over.
Keep up the good work Nance, we Conservatives just LOVE YA!!!

Posted by: pd2710 | November 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

bzod9999 said,
Nice regurgitation of the moonbat left's ridiculous talking points. One gripe though: You forgot to mention racism. The Rethuglicans, in the pocket of big biz, are RACIST too.
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Everybody has a racial bias. Some people have learned history and recognize that and act accordingly. Others refuse to admit it and get angry and blame others. What group are you in bzod?

Posted by: LifeBeforePrinciple | November 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Sargeant is off his meds again. Doesn't the Post have someone who can remind him which pills he's supposed to take and how often?
Here's what happens in the House, which bears no resembklance to Mr. Sargeant's fantasy world of an effective Nancy Pelosi:

(1) Leftwing Dems (almost the only Dems left) reelect Nancy. Conservatives, Tea Party and traditional Republicans are thrilled. Still able to run against Nancy, Harry and President Obama. Republicans please let her keep the big office and big jet. We want a high profile high spending Nancy.

(2) The only real action in the House is the debate between different Republicans about what bills to bring to the floor. Nancy just sits in her big office waiting to see what Republicans will do next.

(3) Huge House Republican majority passes any bills they want whenever they want.

(4) The few surviving moderate Dems betrayed by Nancy/Harry/President Obama vote with Republicans half the time.

(5) The action then goes to the Senate. How many Dem Senators join Republicans approving what the Republican House passes is the only real question about 2011 and 2012 in the Senate. Probably not enough to pass much legislation, except for budgets, which will be lower than Dems want.

Posted by: jfv123 | November 8, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

vettesport:

They didn't spend more, and we weren't in a national economic crisis back then either. Next strawmen arguments?

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Madam Speaker, fairly or unfairly, Republicans made you the face of the resentment and disagreement in our races. While we commend your years of service to our party and your leadership through many tough times, we respectfully ask that you step aside as the top Democrat in the House." Sad to see you go (hardly).

Posted by: jahoby | November 8, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's giant ego prevents her from stepping down from her leadership role as the House minority leader. She doesn't care.

Pelosi doesn't care is she is going to damage her party's chances in 2012. She doesn't care. She is not going to give up any power voluntarily.

Posted by: alance | November 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness for the likes of Nancy Pelosi. We need her and others to become as strong and courageous as she is to get a job done! Most negativity that people blame her for are actually their own predudiced negative feelings--stemming fromt the fact that it just plain bothers them that it is a lady, an older one at that, who has the nerve and intelligence to stand up and tell it like it is. That is galling to many people. But, very necessary to get something accomplished. And she can get it done.

Posted by: saf62 | November 8, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

jahoby:

Is that from the letter that DEFEATED Democrats wrote to her?

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, you hit the wingnut lotto on this thread, Greg. Congrats!

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | November 8, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

LifeBeforePrinciple,
I think one of us needs some help with reading comprehension and/or sarcasm detection, and I'm pretty sure it is not me.

Posted by: bzod9999 | November 8, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

@Alex3: "Most people, 90% of us, won't notice the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. It comes down to about $10 bucks a paycheck for me."

Must be nice. I'll notice $10 out of my paycheck.

And given that the Bush tax cuts and the stimulus tax credits end at the same time, you might notice. You might think you won't--but you just might. Even if you live such a frugal lifestyle you won't notice $10 gone from your paycheck.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 8, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

this person is a arrogant,vidictive pol interested in herself.this country has no meaning for her except to keep her power base going. term limits for lifers.

Posted by: pofinpa | November 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Good take on the situation in some ways. But what about her political failures as Speaker, specifically protecting the moderate and conservative Democratic Majority Makers in swing districts key to House control? - http://goo.gl/fb/cTNQq

Posted by: DJOURNO | November 8, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are afraid of Pelosi, she kicked their ___'s, that why they insult her.

Posted by: twpw | November 8, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Question: What is the diffence between

"Nancy Pelosi will play rough"

and

"Nancy will breathe"

Anyone?

Theories?

Speculation perhaps?

Posted by: ZZim | November 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Question: What is the diffence between

"Nancy Pelosi will play rough"

and

"Nancy will breathe"

Anoyone?

Theories?

Speculation perhaps?

Posted by: ZZim | November 8, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

My, my, what riffraff Greg has in comments today. So glad all you wingnuts are concerned about the Minority Leader. Me thinks, you doth protest too much! heh

Posted by: carolerae48 | November 8, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

republicons tremble and quake in fear of Speaker Pelosi. She passed everything she said she was going to despite their best efforts to lie and cheat and destory her reputation. She is the bomb. A stong woman who kicked their butts for many years, and only billions of dollars and an endless 24/7 stream of lies made her into a pariah among the people whose lives she has done so much to improve.

Posted by: John1263 | November 8, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

To paraphrase Captain Malcolm 'Mal' Reynolds "Being on the losing side does not mean you were on the wrong side". I think keeping Pelosi now is the best thing the democrats can do. She will prove a worthy adversary for Boehner. When the pendulum swings back it will show we have the courage of our convictions.
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If the Republicans dislike her and and gag every time they see her across the aisle, well that is just their tough luck.

Posted by: billy_z | November 8, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

She's going to fight now?

A little late.

Let the tax cuts expire. Were they so onerous in the first place? How can you have TWO WARS and no taxes?!?!?

You have no idea how idiotic Washington looks to the average American.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | November 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

YOU GO GIRL!

Posted by: MyCountry2 | November 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Go Nancy!


paid for by Conservatives looking forward to another Dem slaughter in '12.

Posted by: illogicbuster | November 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Dang straight! Pelosis is one tough fighter! I want her on my side. While all the boys rolled over (Obama, Reid, etc) she stood strong and push through their agenda and won! It was the failure of the senate that stopped it. Hell forget minority leader, Pelosi run for president or vice president with Hillary!

After listening to Obama on 60 minutes I nearly gagged and barfed. What a complete wimp! I cannot stomach another term with that weenie. Sheesh! When the opposition tells you they are out to kill you, you don't pull a Jesus and turn the other cheek! Not in politics, anyway. Man up Obama or go away and let the strong and smart girls beat the republicans silly!

Posted by: sandnsmith | November 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Minority leader Nancy Pelosi, if elected is all political posturing and appearance for Obama’s liberal Democrats. Nancy should not drop out because Democrats were defeated, but she should stay on and not retreat when defeated by a Republican majority in the House.

Obama-Pelosi did great harm to the Democrat Party and all the White House and Democrat cabinet saw it coming and deserted the sinking ship as did Chief Democrat Rahm Emanuel. Poor Pelosi still does not understand her twisted political disloyalty. Since Nancy said she would drain the swamp, she should be put in charge of House ethics to investigate Democrats Rangel and Waters and play rough.

Posted by: klausdmk | November 8, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

republicons tremble and quake in fear of Speaker Pelosi. She passed everything she said she was going to despite their best efforts to lie and cheat and destory her reputation. She is the bomb. A stong woman who kicked their butts for many years, and only billions of dollars and an endless 24/7 stream of lies made her into a pariah among the people whose lives she has done so much to improve.

Posted by: John1263

Piglosi is a certified "nut", who has done a great job of destroying the democRAT party. Her arrogance and liberal elitist smug attitude is exactly what turns Americans off. God bless you Nancy for bring the GOP back to power.

LIBERALISM.......AMERICA'S WEAKEST LINK

Posted by: LibFreeUSA2010 | November 8, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

@jd2:Just watch though as the new Speaker and GOP House cut their own budgets before tackling the rest of the federal government.

time will tell. They certainly didn't do it last time. Weren't they in power when the debt doubled in less than 8 years...just askin'

Republicans: the borrow and spend party.

Posted by: srw3 | November 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

YOU GO GIRL!

Posted by: MyCountry2


ALL THE WAY TO THE NUTHOUSE!!

Posted by: LibFreeUSA2010 | November 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

this person is a arrogant,vidictive pol interested in herself.this country has no meaning for her except to keep her power base going. term limits for lifers.

Posted by: pofinpa
==========================================
"Some have said it was indelicate of me to suggest that our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term in office," McConnell
What about Mitch?
Or do you ignore his rantings because he's GCP (Grand Communist Party)?
Think about it the GOP and communist both adopted RED as their color, don't like dissent, all members quote and follow the 'party' line, use propoganda to destroy the opposition and hate America.

Posted by: priceisright | November 8, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi will play rough with the GOP? Are you serious? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: georges2 | November 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is one of the most successful Speakers of all time. It's a damn shame that the spineless wimps that make up the Democratic Party have allowed the GOP to slander this woman and lie about her accomplishments. I hope Pelosi sticks around for another 25 years.

Posted by: SmallBusiness | November 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi still leading the Dems....good God this is the best campaign tool for the republicans in 2012! Amazing how even after America tells the Dems they hate Pelsoi and Obama's socialist agenda, they continue doing the same thing....Bill Clinton knew better in 1994 and salvaged a second term, but Obama has NO chance now .

Posted by: Realist201 | November 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Repubes need to understand that the election is over and Ms. Pelosi is not the issue. JOBS are the issue. Time to put up or shut up, Tea People.

Posted by: BBear1 | November 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is one of the most successful Speakers of all time. It's a damn shame that the spineless wimps that make up the Democratic Party have allowed the GOP to slander this woman and lie about her accomplishments. I hope Pelosi sticks around for another 25 years.

Posted by: SmallBusiness


25 more years of liberal loonies destroying the DNC-YES SHE CAN!!!

Posted by: LibFreeUSA2010 | November 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Liberalism is tough love for America.

Posted by: MyCountry2 | November 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

To tell the truth, I assumed there would be no question as to Pelosi remaining as miniority leader. After the election I expected more discussion among about the Republicans replacing Boehner as speaker. He is such a weak-kneed lilly-livered crybaby, I would have thought the Republicans would be looking for someone more bombastic.

Posted by: billy_z | November 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi has accomplished alot in her time as majority leader and has gotten more flack for it than the last 10 majority leaders combined. The flack that she has gotten alone, tells me that she must be very successful at what she is doing because she has been demonized as much as Obama. Gingrich was more entertaining and bombastic but I'll take competence and grace under pressure over hot air and slogans any day. Great job, Nancy!

Posted by: janouzpoha | November 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's freaky cult-like campaign themes no longer make any sense in the real world of governing.

Obama's overly aggressive behavior is appearing more and more to be evidence of an unstable personality disorder."

The only freaky cult-like campaign I see, is that of the wanton character assassinations committed upon our President on a daily basis. You should be ashamed for posting such hyperbolic drivel. Seriously.

Posted by: FredEvil | November 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

RUN NANCY! RUN!

Two more years of Nancy shooting up with rat poison should make her the perfect face of the DemoRat party.

Botox also affects her mind or maybe she was nuts to begin with.

Is the CIA STILL lying to you Nancy?

Yes, RUN NANCY RUN!

Posted by: beecheery | November 8, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

come on Greg,
you know,
up in Connecticut,
you and your boys would
love to do Nancy'

Posted by: simonsays1 | November 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Pelosi getting another term is about as bright as giving Palin the nod for 2012. You're playing right into your oppositions hands. BAD IDEA.

Posted by: FredEvil | November 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't be more pleased to learn that Nancy Pelosi and her leadership are going to remain intact as our minority voice in this Congress.
We absolutely need the most experienced, knowledgable, and fearless person guiding the effort to fight those whose absolute goal is to destroy a Presidency.
Destroying a Presidency is not just about destroying Obama: it's about the Presidency as an institution itself.

Posted by: cms1 | November 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The bush tax cuts will need to expire. Allowing the top 2% to expire first, this year, is the best thing to do. Phase the rest in over the next 2-3 years. No one will even notice since for 98% of us the amount is peanuts.

Posted by: John1263 | November 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

LibFreeUSA2010 ... AMERICA'S WEAKEST LINK

Posted by: srw3 | November 8, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

GOPartiers realize that the only way they can APPEAR effective is by constantly nay-saying about something. What was last POSITIVE thing you've heard fron right in the last 2 years? Do you hear things like "we will make this world a better place to live", or "you will be better off, have more $, health care, better schools, more opportunies than before if I'm elected"? no, you haven't, nad here's why:
The GOPartiers don't give a rat's butt what happens to YOU. All they care about is whether the rich keep getting richer, and a few moral issuse that rest of the world sorted out soon after the Dark Ages ended. They are the political party for old , overlty wealthy, white men. Unless this describes YOU, then nothing they have to say, and nothing they want to do, pertains to YOU. Someone earlier posted to the effect that "every Dem need to make a personal decision whether to continue to support this (negatively hyperbolic decription of Obama's/Pelosi's/Left wing)agenda". My guess is that those who do continue to support progressive ideas do so becuase they understand how those policies will effect their lives in positive ways. I doubt that average Repub really understands how GOP policies willACTUALLY effect THEIR PERSONAL lives. Progressive idea put the fae of the people in people's hands, with some guidance and support from the government. Those who support the right wing agenda are willing to give their fate over to those with the most $, in hopes that they will get the chump change that falls into the corporate couch cushions. Regulation and oversight is our weapon against greed. No wonder corporate america dosn't like it.

Posted by: KJR1 | November 8, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Good for Nancy Pelosi! Fight for us. It's clear that the fight is not in President Obama's genes.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | November 8, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The rumor from Capital Hill is Nancy has most of the Dem males cajonnes in individual jars on the bookshelves in her office.

Just say NO and take them back!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | November 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Give us more, more,and more of Nancy Pelosi. She needs to have more air time of television as well. Put her right up front of all of the Democrats. Picture her right next to the President at all the press conferences. That sounds like a heck of a great idea. Go for it, Nancy !!

Posted by: richard36 | November 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd say she should pull a page out of the GOPrick playbook and block anything, but the GOPricks haven't laid out an agenda to actually block!

2012 can't come soon enough.

Hey Boehner...where are the jobs?!?!

Posted by: dcp26851 | November 8, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Wait, I am confused. I thought the Democrats were supposed to bring about change to Washington, and build bi-partisanship? What happened? Oh wait, now I remember, they were all lies!

Pelosi IS the reason we are in this mess in the first place. Her lack of leadership, except when good for her own party and not Americans, did nothing as the economic collapse approached. The Democrats were the ones yelling from the rooftops about how the economy was going to collapse, yet did nothing.

if you ask me, the Pelosi and Reid should shoulder majority of the burdon for the way things are today. Bush, as they say, was too stupid to know better, right!

Stupid Liberals!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | November 8, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

sandnsmith:

Be sure to send your encouragement to Hillary or Nancy (or Howard Dean, Russ Feingold, ANYONE) to primary Obama!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I respect Norm Ornstein's opinion, but he's wrong on this.

Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid for that matter, are doing the same kind of thing George Bush became known for. It must be a generational thing. All these people are quick to claim credit for accomplishments, or what look like accomplishments; they are proud of them, want to be recognized for them, revel in the praise and flattery that comes to them when things are going well. All these people, after things go badly, are sure it isn't their fault -- what is more, they want validation. They want to be told it isn't their fault.

Speaker Pelosi ran the House by concentrating power in the party leadership, arguably the best way to move through legislation when the other party is unable or unwilling to cooperate in any meaningful way. A Democratic House minority leader wanting to slow down Republican initiatives would do so best by seeking to strengthen the roles of authorizing committees, making it difficult for the majority to move quickly on legislation in response to political opportunities. In short, a minority leader would be most effective doing exactly the opposite of what Pelosi sought to do as Speaker. That plus her high negatives in public opinion is reason enough to find someone else.

No one is indispensable. There are politicians of Pelosi's, and Bush's, generation who do not believe that, who can't even imagine that anyone can take their place. The truth is that someone always does, eventually. Just because Pelosi succeeded in some things for the House Democrats doesn't mean she should lead them forever, and the day after the Democrats she led suffered a historic election setback is a good time to accept her share of responsibility, lighten the burden her personality imposes on the Democrats she hopes to lead, and step aside.

Posted by: jbritt3 | November 8, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse


Silly Dims, Pelosi the laughingstock can stay the leader of the Dims but will accomplish nothing in the House. Keep Pelosi so even more Dims will lose their seats in the 2012 elections.

But if you are the party that likes to reward your own failures, then by all means keep Pelosi.

Posted by: screwjob22 | November 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Another two years of Pelosi doing her Baghdad Bob impersonation would be a gift that we Republicans do really not deserve.We are truly humbled and hope to prove worthy of such largesse by the Democratic Party

Posted by: diana11777 | November 8, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

This is startling news . . .

Posted by: RBCrook | November 8, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The absolute best news for the GOP would be if they could still run against the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in 2012.

Posted by: hokie92 | November 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I think you're misreading the state of her "coalition." A number of the Dem losses were the blue dogs who voted against HCR etc. A number of remaining Dems are "imploring" her to step aside. So, remaining House Dems should be acutely aware of the peril they will face in 2012 will be loathe to join Pelosi that far out on the plank. Even if she does "play rough" she will have opponents on her side of the aisle.

Posted by: JohnLeeHooker1 | November 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Hire Pelosi

She will play rough with the GOP.....

.....and elect more Conservatives to the 2012 Congress.

Liberal/Progressive/Marxist/Socialist ideology all grew in the same time.

The left loves failed social constructs...

....Pelosi...gentry liberal with money...

......personifies their ideology (Military air travel for lil Pelosi's while the peasants ride a bus) in all its hypocritical and politically correct glory.


PLEASE keep Pelosi as the "Face" of democrats for 2012

Posted by: georgedixon1 | November 8, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Smart Democrats will remember two words:

SAM RAYBURN

Posted by: jade_7243 | November 8, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is very accomplished at getting things done, but at the terrible expense of civility, bipartisanship, and any level of buy-in by voters who she devalues unless they're on her side. Her's is more of a religious crusade than anything else.

Only religious zealots "believe" in their own unequivocal "goodness" and the innate holiness of the acts that flow from their supposed spiritual stream.

This is why we call it the "religious left." The only difference between religious right and left is that the former at least has the forthrightness to call it what it is; i.e., just another stupid religion. The left, on the other hand, has to connive to convince us all that they are the most moral members of our society while others are moral inferiors, like god's lesser children.

Posted by: tom75 | November 8, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Illogicbuster, as usual your logic fails, as does the logic of the future Republican House Majority Leader.

On Sunday, while appearing on a show at the Republican News Network, Eric Cantor said that if Democrats keep Pelosi, "it's almost as if they didn't get the message" from Tuesday's election.

In fact, the message that Republicans will attempt to undo legislative accomplishments that Democrats don't want to see undone came through loud and clear.

If Cantor thinks that there are other Democrats other than Ms. Pelosi that the Republicans could work with more effectively to carry out there agenda, those people are, quite obviously, not the people Democrats should consider electing as Minority Leader. If Nancy Pelosi is the person that Cantor would least like to see in that position, then she is quite obviously the right person to put in the job.

If you want to bust some illogical thinking, give Eric Cantor a call and ask him what he was thinking going on a national TV show to give his suggestions about who should and shouldn't be nominated to a leadership position in a party he does not belong to. Unless he's thinking of changing parties, he should stick to his assigned task of pulling the rug out from under Michele Bachmann in her quest for a Republican leadership position and let Democrats decide the fate of Nancy Pelosi.

Posted by: exco | November 8, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Republicans never get tired of telling the fairy tale that something Pelosi or Obama did is somehow responsible for the economic problems they inherited from Bush.

Democrats haven't done what was needed to restore the economy to robust health. Republicans have proposed absolutely nothing that would do so either. Cutting government spending does absolutely nothing to create jobs. In fact, since almost all of government spending (aside from Social Security) is about paying government employees or contractors to do a job, cutting government spending means cutting jobs. Republicans don't want to cut spending because it will create jobs, but because they hate government.

During the past two years Pelosi has done what people in the Democratic party wanted to see done. What is a better qualification for being Democratic leader in the House?

Posted by: continental46@aol.com | November 8, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Nancy pelosi is a complete and utter shill and is so egotistical and tone deaf that you can't help but wonder if she's all there. Not one to let her father upstage her by being on the 100 most corrupt mayors list- she started off early herself as well. Ask Californians if they remember her and her little gaggle lobbying,threatening, and blackmailing the Us military about a base they had up there as being a waste of land that could better be used as public housing? They'll remember i promise, and they'll also remember how when the government caved in and agreed to sell, how her and her tuna ceo husband rushed in to buy it- before it was on even the market- for her precious winery. And about that public housing? A mere handful of houses- for rent of course and as a token. There is not an ethical bone in this woman's body- she is a caricature of the snobby,self righteous,drunken elitist. California deserves what it gets when they vote these people into office, i have no sympathy whatsoever for fools such as these. If and when California finally goes bankrupt, I won't shed even the slightest tear. Anyone with any sense left that state long ago.

Posted by: sayoung809132001 | November 8, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Best bet for the Democrats is to make an arrangement with the new Republican leadership for exclusive use of a meeting room where NO ONE has the keys.

They slide Nancy and Greg in there, and wait until the 2012 election to open it up and see who won.

Posted by: muawiyah | November 8, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

So Mr. Sargent proposes that Pelosi becomes an obstructionist. Isn't this what Democrats complained about Republicans for the last two years. Can you say hypocrisy.

Posted by: fchender | November 8, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Democrats controlled the House and Senate before the economy crashed...and yet they want to blame Bush to hide their culpability, because they controlled the purse strings.

If Democrats want to follow her off the cliff again...its ok with me...New add

Your Representative voted with NP 85% in 2010 and 95% in 2011-12.

Works for me!

Posted by: pbailey1 | November 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

She is an arrogant bully, if obami lets her stay, he is dumber than I thought. About the Bush tax cuts, I wish they would let them expire so that the almost 50% of you freeloaders that pay no Fed Tax or get them all refunded pay up or shut up. I guess you freeloaders were the ones that want the public option and all the govt. services since it doesn't cost you. To those against the Bush tax cut renewal start paying your fair share NOW, make Georgie Soros pay more now, the hens on the View should pay more now--put your money where your liberal mouths are.

Posted by: mightyheidi | November 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

She is an arrogant bully, if obami lets her stay, he is dumber than I thought. About the Bush tax cuts, I wish they would let them expire so that the almost 50% of you freeloaders that pay no Fed Tax or get them all refunded pay up or shut up. I guess you freeloaders were the ones that want the public option and all the govt. services since it doesn't cost you. To those against the Bush tax cut renewal start paying your fair share NOW, make Georgie Soros pay more now, the hens on the View should pay more now--put your money where your liberal mouths are.

Posted by: mightyheidi | November 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The trouble with this thinking is that in the House, there isn't much "procedural" work the minority leader can really do. But I couldn't care less; having her as one of the faces of the Democrat Party is worth an even bigger Republican majority in the House in 2012, while the Dems are also busy defending 23 Senate seats to the GOP's 10. "Name brand recognition." There is no substitute.

Posted by: INTJ | November 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Play roguh??? HAHAHAHAHA! Great! Bring it on! That will guarantee Republican sweeps in 2012. This woman has singlehandedly killed the Democratic party. I can't wait.

Posted by: robmvalentine | November 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse


With the American voter’s love of Pelosi’s liberalism, and the inexperience of Obama (and ‘who cares’ Reid) the next two years should be fun.

Hopefully Obama will join his political mentor Carter and stop at one term!


Posted by: bcarte1 | November 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The republicans cannot stand how competent Nancy Pelosi is. And while common wisdom tells us (over and over again) that she is mainly demonized b/c of her San Francisco elite status, I respectfully disagree.


I believe the republicans like mentioning her name in the pejorative b/c Pelosi is an ethnic sounding name. Nancy is Italian. Presently, in our culture this is not politically correct to say. We are engaging in denial and supposed to believe that ethnic biases against some sub-groups are over. Well, not so much. Ethnic bias against Italians is alive and well in some of the demographic groups the republicans like to speak to (read: throw red meat to). Additionally, we do not like to think that Nancy Pelosi is being discriminated against because she is a woman, more especially, because she is a competent woman who ran the House with incredible discipline and got more legislation passed than many of the men who ran the House before her. And, she did it without crying.

Posted by: canaldoc | November 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi will be terrific, all right – at reminding the people daily of all the reasons they booted the National Socialist Democrats out of power in the House, that is. By all means, put your worst failures right in the shop window for all to see and loathe!

The National Socialist Democrats clearly won't knock off this obtuseness until they're down to 60 House members and 15 Senate seats, will they?

Posted by: DonnyNobama | November 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Piglosi has always been a polarizing Dimocrat who NEVER tried to compromise with the GOP. I remember when unemployment was at 4.5% and she still blamed Bush for NOT creating enough jobs.

It just doesn't matter what the truth is with Piglosi. She and Hoyer called opposition to Obamacre UNAMERICAN!! what kind of a sick politician is that??

Posted by: morphy | November 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

What a snow job obami and pelosi got away with. Obami and Pelosi DID not INHERIT this mess from Republicans, they inherited it from the DEMOCRAPS. Remember you democraps have been in control of Congress for FOUR years and not just two like the delusional obami wants us to believe. He forgets he was a Senator in the DEMOCRAP controlled congress for TWO years when he took office. Democraps voted NO in 2007 to reign in Fannie/Freddie, four years of Maxine Waters and Barnie Skank's no money down/no income check mortgages.

Posted by: mightyheidi | November 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD2: "Be sure to send your encouragement to Hillary or Nancy (or Howard Dean, Russ Feingold, ANYONE) to primary Obama!!!"

This does seem more likely than it did before the election. Recent comments about how high unemployment might be the "new normal", he sounded exactly like Jimmy Carter, to me.

Not sure who plays Ted Kennedy in this scenario. Unless Chris Christie runs, also not sure who plays Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 8, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile whle Pelosi holds the line moderate and conservative Dems are drawn out of their districts and even worse have to run with Pelosi as their leader. For Dems to even hold their numbers in the House come 2012 they need to get rid of Pelosi. She sure as hell is not going to give her members any help.

Posted by: iacoboni04 | November 8, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I've never heard a dictator called a strategist before. Power loved power and Pelosi did everything she could to bully her Democrats into passing health care short of waterboarding them. Pelosi is in it to show the American people you are not going to get away from me. I'm going to change your fundamentals and transform this country to socialism even if it means I have to take a minority leadership role. Every word that comes out of the mouth of Pelosi proves she was in it only for agenda, not because of a crisis. Pelosi staying on as minority leader is as good as saying in your face people.

Posted by: houstonian | November 8, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

When the Republican minority used procedure to play rough, that was bad. Now when Democrats use procedure to play rough, that's good. Got it.

No partisans here, no sirree.

Posted by: workrage | November 8, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

So Obama calls for bipartisan action while he has Pelosi cut up the Republicans.

Hope and Change and Enemies that should be Punished.

Yea, that is going to work out.

Posted by: TECWRITE | November 8, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, it not only going to get rough in Congress!

Posted by: theaz | November 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

That which they call their "great achievements" are only such somewhere in an alternative universe. In the real universe they have to be described as great failures, just like close to 20% unemployment, full and partial. Almost 20 percent of population don't know where the food will be coming from or how they going to keep warm during the winter.

And these alternative people are drumming their "accomplishments". What an upside world they live in is.

Posted by: NoWeWillNot | November 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad that the Republicans are still focused on screaming at the American people instead of creating jobs. Day 6 of their rule and the economy is still in the tank. I told you so, but you dimwitted American voters wouldn't listen.

Posted by: SmallBusiness | November 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

SmallBusiness:

Are you a small business owner?

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

We Americans do not want Pelosi in Congress. We sent a message on November 2nd. We do not support the Democrats. We do not support their policies. In particular, amnesty for illegal aliens. We must deport all illegal aliens. THey do not respect our laws. In 2012 we must replace Obama. We do not like socialists.

Posted by: post2009 | November 8, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the only way to know whether Pelosi's presence in leadership is vital is for us to see what actually happens.

It just seems basically illogical, because the vote was to stop and in certain cases, to roll back the Obama agenda. She, and others, say she must stay on to make sure this doesn't happen.

But failing to listen to the voters was one of the reasons the tidal wave happened. For her, it's happening again.

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | November 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

We Americans do not want Pelosi in Congress. We sent a message on November 2nd. We do not support the Democrats. We do not support their policies. In particular, amnesty for illegal aliens. We must deport all illegal aliens. THey do not respect our laws. In 2012 we must replace Obama. We do not like socialists.

Posted by: post2009 | November 8, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I am sure the GOP is losing sleep over this! You folks really need a life.

Posted by: mct1 | November 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, SmallBusiness, you can't be serious. Nancy Pelosi was only "successful" because of the spineless Democrats who refused to listen to their constituents who were telling them NO, NO, NO, NO! WE DON'T WANT ANY OF THIS! You people don't seem to understand that. What's "successful" about going against the will of the people? You must be nuts!

Posted by: georges2 | November 8, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow. What a dysfunctional government we have.

Posted by: Aerowaz | November 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

HMMmmm! So Fancy Nancy is going to get tough eh?? Sounds like some in her party are beginning to grow a spine, so she may have to get tough with them first!

I'm sure the the new crop of republicans are shaking in their boots!

OBAMA/PELOSI/REID either are too dense to get it, or they are so full of themselves, that they will shoot themselves in the foot with their individual Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)!

WHEN WILL PELOSI RETURN PELOSI AIR TO THE US AIR FORCE????

Posted by: wheeljc | November 8, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

The only reason that the dummycrats have been able to maintain any semblance of credibility over the last two decades is that they have managed to blur the distinction between themselves and the Republicans with a portion of the American people. (witness the liberal canard that bill clinton produced a budget surplus when it was actually Newt Gingrich who did that).

Now Pelosi and the socialists are insisting on promoting their agenda directly against the will of the people. When she is done nobody will be unclear about the difference between the dums and the intelligent party, and they will vote for Republicans in 2012.

Posted by: gframpton1 | November 8, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

'
The GOP DID demonize Pelosi....but....she was doing a pretty good job herself from the start.

Ding dong the witch is dead and....

GOOD RIDDANCE.

'

Posted by: ahartnack | November 8, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

DEAR MAJORITY HOUSE REPUBLICANS:

WHERE ARE THE JOBS?????
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Posted by: SmallBusiness | November 8, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Forget the GOP hype about her being the incarnation of the Wicked Witch of the West. She's been incredibly effective and lets not forget that Dems picked up a bunch of seats over a 4 year period based on policy platform before our deregulation/financial house of cards ruined the game for all of us. She was Speaker then......

When the economy sucks this bad incumbents are gonna lose. Let's see some job bills GOPers!!! You all kept making a whole lot of noise so now it's your turn to govern the House.

Posted by: theobserver4 | November 8, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

We need people in Congress that will take on the Mongloid American Corporations and begin to cannabalize corporate profits and bonuses to create JOBS!

Americans have had enough of the free market mum-bo-jumbo.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 8, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I voted for the GOP because I thought they'd quickly create jobs. This is day 6 and SO FAR ZERO JOBS CREATED BY REPUBLICANS.

Can I have my vote back? Nov. 2012 can't get here soon enough!

Posted by: SmallBusiness | November 8, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone ever noticed that it is really tough to get a Democrat with power to step down from any position?

Posted by: bobbo2 | November 8, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

So the hypocritical Greg Sargent who has railed against what he saw as obstructionist perfidy when the Republicans fought the (recently voter rejected) liberal policies now crys out for Pelosi to be ruthless in her willingness to use procedural tactics to combat Republican actions......

Posted by: LeeChase1 | November 8, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi will have to play even more rough in her own Caucus.She has a group of insurgents who will be far more independent since they have seen how many of their colleagues were sacrificed and casually thrown under the bus.She won't be an asset with the media.She comes off as dim witted,even though that is not the reality.The Democrats have major problems to overcome and their biggest albatross is in the Oval Office.The GOP may be a challenge but their own internal strife is deep and intense.

Posted by: bowspray | November 8, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi will have to play even more rough in her own Caucus.She has a group of insurgents who will be far more independent since they have seen how many of their colleagues were sacrificed and casually thrown under the bus.She won't be an asset with the media.She comes off as dim witted,even though that is not the reality.The Democrats have major problems to overcome and their biggest albatross is in the Oval Office.The GOP may be a challenge but their own internal strife is deep and intense.

Posted by: bowspray | November 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a lackey and admirer of the "New World Order" International Banking Cartel, which owns the FED and cheats us out of Billions daily.

I have seen her speaking on you tube and praising the New World Order, and saying how nice that it is even printed on the Dollar Bill, in latin.

I went back tonight to re-verify this, and each video on youtube containing those sentences, had been deleted! The one left had her speaking as if it was the USA she was speaking about.

Propaganda and manipulation. She needs an indictment pushed into her mouth, the black sack over her head, and some space in a cage in Guantanamo made immediately available for her.

She is guilty of high treason, as are most of our Senators, Congressmen and women, and certainly Obama and his ex-Goldman Sachs, and Wall Street Cabinet.

Also I must say that she is a very poor speaker. The organizations that invite her to speak before their members, should demand that she pay them. Her manner is unpleasant, her voice is unpleasant, her delivery as halting as a stroke victims, and of course, every word leaving her mouth is a lie.

You want to stop her in her tracks anywhere she goes, shout from the crowd, "When are you going to close the FED and give money creation back to the Treasury?"

Posted by: vcompton1 | November 8, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

First, Nancy needs another botox injection and perhaps schedule for another face lift. She has so much hair dye that I think it being absorbed into her almost functioning brain. She is out of the position of power that she thretened all of us with and it did not work for the rep from gay SF.

Posted by: gone2dabeachgmailcom | November 8, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has no intention of working with anyone. Sabotaging Obama and using FOX to blame Obama with endless innuendo and lies is their entire plan.

They would gladly wreck the economy so they can return to power and continue the pro-fascist supply side economics policies that have been destroying the middle class since Reagan.

Posted by: rapchat1 | November 8, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Note to Boner Head:

Where's the jobs?

Posted by: Maddogg | November 8, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Seniors are making appointments for FREE checkups effective Jan. 1 via Obamacare and a BETTER Medicare.
Thank you Nancy Pelosi and Democrats!

Posted by: angie12106 | November 8, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Democrats lost for one reason: They don't know how to fight!

Posted by: Maddogg | November 8, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Play rough with the GOP? The problem is not how she treated the GOP. The problem is that she played rough with the American people. Her district is safe. She has them brainwashed or they agree with her.

When you punish the majority of Americans to do some supposed good, then you can't lie about it as they did with health care.

Pelosi is so good at what she does, it cost the Democrats 60+ seats in the house, and if not for Sarah Palin, Republicans would have two more senate seats and one governor. Being good at hurting this country is way worse than doing it through incompetence.

Posted by: thelaw1 | November 8, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Witness one2dabeachgmailcom and vcompton1 who'd rather scream at Pelosi than create jobs now that they have the power.

Guys, WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

Shut your filthy mouths until you've created the jobs you promised.

Posted by: SmallBusiness | November 8, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Even though I'm a conservative and Mr. Sargent is a liberal, on this issue we are in total agreement:

Nancy Pelosi should remain as House Minority Leader.

Posted by: sinz52 | November 8, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The very fact that Cantor has weighed in against keeping Nancy in charge is reason enough for me to want her to stay.

Posted by: ched | November 8, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I wish Republicans would shut their filthy rat little mouths until they've created the jobs they promised. I don't want to hear a single word out of their slimy vile pie-holes until they've fulfilled their end of the bargain. I'm already considering voting Dem again in 2012.

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Posted by: SmallBusiness | November 8, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Please! The country and the Republican party need Nancy to be minority leader.

Posted by: VastRightWingConspirator | November 8, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

theobserver4, SmallBusiness, and Maddogg seem to have forgotten than Nancy Pelosi is STILL Speaker of the House.

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"theobserver4, SmallBusiness, and Maddogg seem to have forgotten than Nancy Pelosi is STILL Speaker of the House.

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse
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I haven't forgotten the fact that you ran your mouth for two years promising a new dawn on November 2. You 'took America back' remember? So...

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Posted by: SmallBusiness | November 8, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

SURE let her be the leader and then the Democrats can either have an internal battle over the true leadership in the house OR they can face an even bigger defeat in 2012. Way to go Pelosi - come on back for another whipping.

Posted by: AmzgGrce | November 8, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

GOP hates her because she is effective. That and as a woman, she's a perfect target to demonize.
This dame knows how to count votes. She knows not to bring a slingshot to a knife fight. Picking on her 'cuz she doesn't have clean hands is a huge joke...nobody on either side does, and especially the co-opted TeaParty electees, funded and allied with prominent lobbyists. Pelosi should stay, just to outrage the Rethuglicans. Go for it.

Posted by: Kas300 | November 8, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"SURE let her be the leader and then the Democrats can either have an internal battle over the true leadership in the house OR they can face an even bigger defeat in 2012. Way to go Pelosi - come on back for another whipping.

Posted by: AmzgGrce | November 8, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse
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Posted by: SmallBusiness | November 8, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Minority leader Nancy Pelosi would play rough with GOP"

Go ahead. Make my day.

Posted by: SECREV | November 8, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

SmallBusiness:

I am a Republican -- we all know that you didn't vote Republican -- but I'm still posting words here, so why don't you come over and try to shut my filthy rat little mouth?

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

A quick note to "SmallBusiness" :

The chant "where are the jobs?" is going to backfire on you, because when the jobs do start coming back, and they are going to, the GOP will take credit for them, even though they have done absolutely nothing.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Kas300 | November 8, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Keep on drinkin' that Kool-Aid, Sargent. Anyone who quotes an expert who says last week's Dem losses are not relevant has not got both feet on the ground.

Posted by: PS7900 | November 8, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

People commenting on this page need to relax. Either that or grow up and stop placing their misdirected anger on a government that is too complex for them to understand.

Posted by: johnc_80 | November 8, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

If GOP has even a little bit of sense, they would stop even talking to these loony Left at least until after Nov 2012. The loonies are in no position to "play hard" on anything. At least in congress. Make Nancy and her sheep sit in the back for a change. No compromise. No talks. Nothing. Singular dedication to being the party of "Hell, no." With senate under the loonies, this is the *only* way to stop legislative agenda enacting of Loonies, and this latter is the only thing they can do. Just sit back and relax.

Posted by: SECREV | November 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

We have to realize that the polarizing forces, Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, et al are just corporate mouthpieces. They don't give a damn about the people, they just want to confuse them and get them to defend policies that favor the rich. Don't forget, they are all rich themselves after years of representing the rich.

Posted by: guyachs | November 8, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

That the right hates her is a fantastic reason to make her minority leader. I can't think of a better endorsement than that.

They can talk all the smack they want, but they only have the house, and with it comes the new "no".

Posted by: Nymous | November 8, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

guyachs:

For how many years do you believe that Sarah Palin has been (a) rich herself, and (b) representing the rich?

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

You miss the primary reason she shouldn't be the Dem leader and the primary reason she presided over an historic loss.....she's too liberal...her views are representative of 20% of the population. Simple as this.

Posted by: twann9852 | November 8, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

By all means, put her in. She's obnoxious and disliked (quote from "1776"). More seats in 2012 for the Repubs, assuming (and it's a big assumption) that they don't screw up.

Posted by: perfesser33 | November 8, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Keeping in mind, of course, that her book "Going Rogue" was not even released until November 17, 2009 (that is LESS THAN one year, for the folks out in Rio Linda ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I love Nancy Pelosi. My only regret is that I'm unable to be on Capitol Hill with her to help her bust Republicans' heads.

Posted by: Mary1966 | November 8, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

What is Obama’s trip to Asia really about if not to redistribute the wealth of America to the 3rd world? That India was included should give us pause after the experience of China draining our life blood ever since Bill Clinton gave that country favored nation trading status. Redistribution of Western wealth to the 3rd world has a precedent with Obama. Recall that as a junior senator he co-authored a bill, the Global Poverty Act (S2433), to send billions of American tax payer money to the UN for distribution to poor nations.

Obama is now touting his trip as good for American trade. He says it will provide us new markets. He omits that trade with these “markets” will be grossly unbalance; that is, it will cause our trade deficit to grow. GW Bush said the same about NAFTA, that it would provide new markets. But our trade deficit with Mexico alone is $60 billion. And has NAFTA helped South America? Mexico seems to be more like Columbia every week. A Majority of Guatemalan men now come to America for work - each one pays the Mexican gatekeeper $7000 for passage. Think what long-term damage that is doing to Guatemalan society where families are separated for up to 12 years or more during their young lives!

What NAFTA did do is make a safe platform for American business to move to. With NAFTA in place, American business knows it can hire South American cheap labor and also have a safe market in the US. Obama apparently will set up the same platform in India, where the labor force is truly gigantic and low paid and where the people are highly intelligent entrepreneurs.

Then too, India, unlike China, is a democracy with all the potential that that implies. Also, India is unburdened by growing socialism and environmental restrictions. It may be that Obama hopes increased trade with India will accomplish another of his goals: that of weakening the US economy so that our population will demand a socialist centrally planned and protected society. The more third world nations he can get sucking on the American economy the better.


Obama’s Asian trip goes some way to further a larger objective. Once large corporations can find safe platforms in the 3rd world, that is, platforms from which they can produce things to export to the wealthy West, primarily the US, then pressure would mount for a one world government authority to regulate international business.

Posted by: gliderpilot | November 8, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse


Looking forward to seeing Michelle Bauchman, truly an idiot,
trying to match Nancy Pelosi?

The republicans are beside themself trying to keep the widely admitted Pelosi from doing her fantastic job again.
The GOP ranting about her had nothing to do with anything but her being very, vary
smart and good at her job.

Aas for the NYTIMES, they wanted the lineup chewed up so a Jewish candidate could be found. AIPAC doesn't like Pelosi.

Posted by: whistling | November 8, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I love Nancy Pelosi. My only regret is that I'm unable to be on Capitol Hill with her to help her bust Republicans' heads.

Posted by: Mary1966 | November 8, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

From these posts, it seems the loud right wing idiocracy has it in for Nancy Pelosi. Well, who asked you? She is the house leader of the DEMOCRATIC party, not the Republican party or Teabag party. I couldn't care less what either Repiggies or T-bags thought of her.

Posted by: janouzpoha | November 8, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say anything nice regarding Nancy Pelosi, but She and Obama are the face/s of the Democratic party. Neither sounds ready to give up on their extreme left wing agenda, and I have to admire people who have the courage of their convictions no matter how arrogant or ideological. If she wants the minority leader job she certainly earned it from her caucus during the last two years! Obama, Pelosi, and Reid....together again!!!

Posted by: valwayne | November 8, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that the Republicans who state such negative comments about Nancy Pelosi are really just afraid of her leadership. Otherwise, wouldn't they just love it and quietly step back and let it happen. So its very hypocritical to me that there is so much negativity from Republicans. Go Nancy, there are very much afraid of your leadership.

Posted by: Ballyvaughan1 | November 8, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi appears to be one of the few Democrats who will stand proudly by the Democrat agenda and all the bills they toiled over and passed. Hoyer is a wuss who more likely will cave in to the Republicans before they even say boo to his face. Look at Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer, in CA. Despite all of the millions Republicans poured into that state, voters saw through their crap and voted for both even though they stood by their principles and didn't badmouth the Affordable Healthcare Act, etc. Hire Pelosi? Damn skippy!!!

Posted by: cile92 | November 8, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Last week we saw "Bloodbath". Almost 40% of Americans agree with Tea Party principles, but only 20% self-identify as liberal or "progressive". And the Tea Party is less than two years old. They continue to grow in numbers and organization, and by 2012, you will see "Bloodbath II - The Sequel". "Progressives" (socialists) may qualify for the endangered species list in 2013.

Posted by: samadams25 | November 8, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The arrogance of Zero and Pelosi will not be forgotten, 2012 will be the final cleansing of the swamp and return to governing by the adults

Posted by: TeaPartier | November 8, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION TEA BAGGERS AND CONSERVATIVES. There is absolutely no chance that the GOP will be able to repeal ANY of Obama's signature accomplishments in health care and financial reform - none - nada. The Democrats control the senate and the white house.

But that wont stop the crybaby conservatives. Their minions in the house will pass legislation along party lines which will be rejected by the senate or vetoed by Obama.

One thing you can say about the GOP - they are not very honest but at least their obvious

Posted by: ChicagoSteve | November 8, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Nancy is welcome to rule the party. She is the face of the party and their agenda. Which means that with her at the helm the party was destroyed in the election. If she continues to lead the party they will split and become irelevant in the future. This can also happen to the Republican party with their relationship with the Tea Party.

Posted by: wbindner | November 8, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

She got it done, Reid did not, it is as simple as that. 400 of her passed bills never came to a vote in the senate. The GOP no compromise mantra is absurd since this fragile economy could not take the hit of not giving it 20% of the coin.

Posted by: jameschirico | November 8, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

ChicagoSteve:

We don't have to "repeal" anything ; )

Michigoose:

Not only was the Snopes.com info outdated, it was also flat-out wrong.

Here are the highlights from the newest batch of documents, which JudicialWatch obtained pursuant to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed on January 25, 2009:

Pelosi used the Air Force aircraft for a total of 85 trips, covering 206,264 miles, from March 2, 2009 through June 7, 2010. Pelosi, her guests and Air Force personnel logged a total of 428.6 hours on these flights.

Members of Pelosi’s family were guests on at least two flights. On June 20, 2009, Speaker Pelosi’s daughter, son-in-law and two grandsons joined a flight from Andrews Air Force Base to San Francisco International Air Port. That flight included $143 in on-flight expenses for food and other items. On July 2, 2010, Pelosi took her grandson on a flight from Andrews Air Force Base to Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield, California, which is northeast of San Francisco.

As regular readers of the Update may recall, according to previous documents uncovered by Judicial Watch, the Speaker’s military travel cost the United States Air Force $2,100,744.59 over a two-year period — $101,429.14 of which was for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol. Seriously, review these documents for yourself and you can see that Nancy Pelosi repeatedly turned indispensible Air Force aircraft into congressional party planes.

For example, purchases for one Pelosi-led congressional delegation traveling from Washington, DC, through Tel Aviv, Israel to Baghdad, Iraq May 15-20, 2008, included: Johnny Walker Red scotch, Grey Goose vodka, E&J brandy, Bailey’s Irish Crème, Maker’s Mark whiskey, Courvoisier cognac, Bacardi Light rum, Jim Beam whiskey, Beefeater gin, Dewar’s scotch, Bombay Sapphire gin, Jack Daniels whiskey, Corona beer and several bottles of wine.

Judicial Watch also previously uncovered internal Department of Defense (DOD) email correspondence detailing attempts by DOD staff to accommodate Pelosi’s numerous requests for military escorts and military aircraft as well as the Speaker’s last minute cancellations and changes.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/weeklyupdate/2010/41-air-pelosi-frequent-flyer-update

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Wrong. Pelosi's coalition building power has evaporated. Most of those who gambled and worked with her are now gone or mortally wounded. The emperor has no clothes. oooh! that is a scary thought!

Posted by: nonlocal1 | November 8, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Botox face needs to go!

Posted by: mpg515 | November 8, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Why do we cut off Social Security contributions at such a low number? The cap should move up each year. Why are we so protective of rich people's money and so willing to tax the middle class? Makes no sense. The rich hide their money overseas, and so the trickle down model that rayguns made so popular doesn't work. The democrats have to start describing this reality. Tax the wealthy!!!

Posted by: DontGetIt | November 8, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

The US Constitution proscribes impeachment as the process for removal of any government official found to have committed treason or other serious crime against the people. The process applies to Congressmen and Senators, not only the White House. Indeed the Senator from Tennessee in the early days of the our history was impeached and removed from office by this process.

Now,two member of Congress, John Boehner, and Eric Kantor have made public statements relative to their intention to shut down the country by blocking a vote to increase the debt limit when that need arises. It is well known that such a course of action would cause irreparable harm to the USA and indeed perhaps to the world at large. Any Congressman who would propose to take such action is in direct contravention of their oath of office, and most certainly would be committing an act of treason against this country. Indeed the threat to do this can be regarded as intention to commit an act of treason or actually be treasonous since the world politic can be incited to action against the USA in anticipation of such an event.

The US Congress must take action in this serious matter and initiate articles of impeachment against John Boehner and Eric Kantor at this time for their treasonous action.

Posted by: dem76 | November 8, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Her successes are over...the people have spoken...but it would be the best things for America if she would be elected so she could finish sinking the dumbocrat ship in two years.

Posted by: tonyjm | November 8, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi should remain as leader of the Minority. Continuum is what is going to be necessary if Mr Obama and the Democrats are going to succeed in 2012.
The United States needs Mr Obama and the Democrats as does the world right now.

dePaul Consiglio
Monsey NY

Posted by: depaulconsiglio | November 8, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

ppsssssstt............pelosi

under the

pelosi house rules

minority parties (that be YOU)

shall sit in the back and

shut up

Posted by: ProCounsel | November 8, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

wow. it would be a dream come true for the republicans to run against the exact same 3 people in 2012 as they did last week.

Posted by: _buster | November 8, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

dem76:

Please name the Senator from Tennessee who was "impeached and removed" (convicted by the Senate?!).

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

For the past few years Republicans have vilified and demeaned Nancy Pelosi for no other reason than she was doing her job as Speaker of the House. Now Republicans are trying to tell Democrats that they should get rid of her? Are you serious?? What is wrong with this picture? Why would any Democrat go along with ANYTHING the Republicans want especially who should be Minority Leader. They hate Nancy Pelosi because she was effective, plain and simple.

Posted by: catmomtx | November 8, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Extra credit: who is Thomas Porteous?

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

catmomtx:

"Effective" is losing 60+ seats?! BTW: some Republicans want Pelosi to be Minority Leader, so what is your reaction to that?

http://www.usnews.com/dbimages/master/19323/FE_PR_101105RNC.jpg

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Keep Nancy in power. She has a 15% approval rating with the public, this is just the face that the Dems want for their party. Ultra left and whacky will sink them for at least another election cycle.

Posted by: schmitt_fam | November 8, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Keep Nancy in power. She has a 15% approval rating with the public, this is just the face that the Dems want for their party. Ultra left and whacky will sink them for at least another election cycle.

Posted by: schmitt_fam | November 8, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The economy tanked under the GOP.

Posted by: pdurand | November 8, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

If Madame Speaker wants to shepherd her liberal dinosaurs, the GOP will look upon this with amazement and delight. Poor Steny Hoyer. He must be sleepless from nightmares that he is a Whig Party leader back in 1850. And we all know what happened to Whigs & dinosaurs…

Posted by: AdamSmith2 | November 8, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

pdurand:

The Dems took over Congress in 2006.

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 8, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The lama lover can always find a job as the speaker for the self-proclaimed reincarnated Tibetan parasite Dalai Lama.

Posted by: Maersk | November 8, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree.

Keep the old hag on.

I want her to witness her "Commie Accomplishments" completed gutted.

The Wicked Witch of the West, besides the Traitor-In-Chief, was the best GOP recruiting tool for the American people.

Keep the Witch in the camera lens so we can listen to her whine about the evil Republicans.

Posted by: cvicic1959 | November 8, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The minority leader has NO POWER. It does not matter who they put in. Pelosi will not be able to do anything but make a fool of herself again. The whole COUNTRY left the democratic party! The senate would be republican, too, if all senators had been up for re-election.

So let the fool have her way. She thinks we are all Homer Simpsons. Pelosi is the Homer Simpson!

Posted by: annnort | November 8, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

What is she going to do? Hold her breath, throw herself on the floor, and indulge in a massive hissy fit? Certainly when the Democrats had a super-majority, they didn't let silly things like "procedural rules" stop them from ramming their ultra-liberal agenda down America's throat.

Now the shoe is on the other foot, and Pelosi is (thank god) entirely irrelevant, except as a straw target for Republicans to run against in 2012.

Posted by: gpherder | November 8, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

But he dismissed the idea that Dem losses last week are relevant, insisting that the new minority leader's chief role will be to "hold the line against repeal and keep the troops together and use the limited weapons available to the minority to put the Republicans on the defensive."

Have liberals like Ornstein completely lost their minds? Keep the troops together? The Blue Dogs, and by now, the near Blue Dogs will run as far away from Pelosi as they can. 2012 is just 2 years away. Why suffer the wrath of voters by following the Pelosi train off the cliff?

Posted by: systrac3 | November 8, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent sez "Nancy will play tough with GOP." SURE! You mean like voting for something so "we can know whats in it?" Another two years of Pelosi reminding the public why they voted the Republicrats into the House, and they'll win the Presidency going away! Yayyyy! Haha! Demoblicans, then Republicrats, then vice versa, then versy vicey. It all remains the same, doesn't it, ignorant American sheeple? The FED voted another TRILLION dollars to buy (our own) debt. I would say these people are insane, but unfortunately its just a lack of ethics, brought out to an infinitely evil degree. Gee whiz, Treasury Secy. Tim Geithner's best friends are Golman Suchs. Hey, Treasury Secy. Hank Paulson, under Bush worked for Goldman too! His first job out of college was working for the Halderman/Ehrlichman/G. Gordan Liddy team that broke into the Watergate. Paulson was the only one to get away clean. No jail time, no indictment, no nothing. Hmmm, just a coincidence, I'm sure. We're witnessing the greatest grand theft of nation ever seen, and all most Americans can do is watch Dancing with the Idiots.

Posted by: shred11 | November 8, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Just more proof that liberal Democrats dwell in a world of self-deluding half-truths and dishonor that most of us will never fully comprehend.

Pelosi's grotesque over-reaching and massive failures are now somehow cast as strengths by desperate liberals like Sargent who think that most of us are too stupid to understand what they are up to.

Sargent no doubt thinks that Obama will pull a Clinton by miraculously rising from the dead, re-capturing his mojo and then be re-elected in 2012. What he doesn't understand, and what makes the choice of Pelosi even more damning, is that Clinton was able to re-invent himself because he wasn't saddled with an idiotic, incomprehensible travesty of a health care bill. Obamacare is now law with the President's name on it. It's not going away and will be exposed for the disgusting legislative over-reach it is. Pelosi is the author of it in the Congress. If Democrats want to double-down on health care, which is what Pelosi's naming as minority leader will mean, that's their problem.

You want to see infighting? Watch the Democrats in the next 24 months.

Posted by: theduke89 | November 8, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Pelosi's Father was Mayor of Baltimore a long time ago. He was heavily involved with the mafia (mainly dealing with the unions, dockworkers, oh, maybe some prostitution, etc.). Pelosi comes from a long line of trash.

Posted by: shred11 | November 8, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Pelosi's Father was Mayor of Baltimore a long time ago. He was heavily involved with the mafia (mainly dealing with the unions, dockworkers, oh, maybe some prostitution, etc.). Pelosi comes from a long line of trash.

Posted by: shred11 | November 8, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Smallbusiness aka Homer Simpson. We will get to the jobs when all 60+ new republicans are sworn into the house. For your information, that will be in Jan 2011, right around the corner. In the meantime, we will have to do without the jobs because the dems do not know how to create jobs.

Your ranting only makes you look like the idiot you are. Join Pelosi.

Posted by: annnort | November 8, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

She is absolutely brillant. The problem is she is not charismatic one bit. And Harry Reid suffer from the same affliction. Now, against Boener and McConnell it shouldn't be that bad, you would think. But she lost one house of congress. And Reid held to his, thanks to divine Mormon intervention. If anything, the battle in 2012 will be far less kind and less gentle. Is the objective to win in 2012 or hold on to health care as it is now?

Posted by: RegisUrgel | November 8, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Evidently the definition of "accomplishment" from the left is anything harmful to the United States of America.

Posted by: johntu | November 8, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I could car less either way...a majority of the American people probably feel the same way.

Posted by: moebius22 | November 8, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Evidently the definition of "accomplishment" from the left is anything harmful to the United States of America.

Posted by: johntu | November 8, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Each individual democrat in the country is going to have to decide whether they will continue to support Obama's irrational decision making.

It is a clear choice.

Obama's freaky cult-like campaign themes no longer make any sense in the real world of governing.

Obama's overly aggressive behavior is appearing more and more to be evidence of an unstable personality disorder.

EACH individual democrat is going to have to decide for himself - try to find a message that works and a message that the American People will support OR continue to support an unstable personality disorder which is destroying the democratic party.

Posted by: BeautifulBeginning
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And you voted for Bush, twice... yeah, let's listen to your advice because you really know what you're talking about.

Posted by: VietVet68 | November 8, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

If they weren't so worried, the Repubs and Wall Street Times wouldn't be making such a big deal over Pelosi. She gets things done!

Posted by: Dpete1 | November 8, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is an absolute must to fill the position of House Minority Leader. I wouldn't want anyone else!

With a nationwide disapproval rating of 56%, Nancy was the perfect punching bag for the resurgent conservatives. Almost every single Pub that won last Tuesday ran against this arrogant Progressive poster girl, and gained lots of votes by doing so.

We can only hope that she can serve as well in 2012!

You go, Nance.

Posted by: rollsroycemerlin | November 8, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

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Pelosi isn't a bulldog, she's as lame and naive as Obama. She could have investigated bush's crimes when it became obvious that obama was not giving up on his Great Conciliator delusion, thinking he's bowing in humility when the 'uglicans bend him over and assfuucck him.

But she DIDN'T investigate, for example, when rove blew up the private plane of the GOP computer guy about to testify that the iowa votes were changed as they passed through through GOP internet servers.

Like the rest of the dems, she's like a deer in the repiglican headlights, knowing something bad is happening but not sure what it is.

Well Nancy, what's going on is that evil, old, rich white men plotted to turn the country into a right-wing military dictatorship by fooling the stupid trailer trash into voting directly against their own interests.

They almost did it, too, but their cynical, corrupt economic model is so ineffective at doing anything but stuffing rich people's pockets that they got thrown out of power before they had a chance to declare martial law "for the duration" and cancel elections.

Since nobody punished them for their anticonstitutional treason last time, now they WILL create a right-wing military dictatorship, declare martial law, cancel the '16 elections, and say they had to do it "because Obama screwed everything up".

They'll also start world-war III because it's good for Halliburton. Only this time, we'll be on the WRONG side of a world war, with all the civilized countries on the other side.

Pelosi could have prevented all this by tearing open all the ugly things Cheney did. (Bush is no more guilty than a ventriloquist's dummy--with emphasis on the "dummy"). It would have made Watergate look like a church picnic. The crimes would have so offended everyone that the 'uglies would have been put out of business for good.

But the dems, led by Pelosi and Obama, are the Jews in Germany in '33, politely ignoring the lies accusing them of being monsters and having Faith in the Innate Decency of All Men to Sit at a Table of Brotherhood and Join Hands for a Better Tomorrow.
_+___________

I hate being "smart". I hate understanding EVERYTHING, controlling NOTHING, and watching another predictable, preventable, slow-motion train wreck drearily unfold. And as always, it's caused by evil businessmen, their stupid minions, and the naive trust of their victims.

It's why I live naked in a cave in the woods.

As long as the streetlights and the cell system work, I have electricity and internet, and the HELL with y'all.

--faye kane, homeless idiot-savant
More of my smartmouth at http://tinyurl.com/fayescave

Posted by: Knee_Cheese_Zarathustra | November 8, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

While the pundits debate Pelosi's decendency to minority leader, we may be moving closer to armed dictatorship. Here is a provision of the healtcare bill I discovered this afternoon.

The ObamaCare bill may already give Obama the beginning of his Civilian National Security Force that he said he wanted when campaigning in Colorado Springs on July 2, 2008. Section 203 (3) of HR 3590 states: “Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President." This new arm of the government includes “Warrant Officers,” and Section 203 goes on to state that members of the Ready Reserve Corps must “be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel”.

Recall that Mr. Obama said while in Colorado Springs: “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

Posted by: gliderpilot | November 8, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

In 2008 Republicans were swept away in a veritable tsunami of voter dissatisfaction...Senate, House & Presidency. Did Republicans view that as mandate for change? Nope...they blithely ignored it and continued with business as usual. Now they regain some seats in the House and act like they are Masters of the Universe and whining at the Democrats to do everythiung the Reptilians want. Stomp on their egocentric little pinheads, Nancy...all they know how to do is run around having hissy-fit tantrums and searching for a trough to sink their snouts into.

Posted by: Jerryvov | November 8, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

At least she'll have to fly her broom back and forth from San Francisco. No more Air Force on call for the grandkids. Bub bye Nancy!

Posted by: elcigaro1 | November 8, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

GO PELOSI GO! You are the most hated by the Repugnicans because of how effective you were in passing health care after six(6) other Presidents tried and failed to get it through the House. Your job will not be to be popular but to be effective and stand our ground. It is the mamby pamby Democrats that caused this bump in the road. None of them had the stones to stand up for health care and explain why it was not just a good thing for the vast majority of Americans but a great thing. The so called Blue Dogs from all those southern Red States populated by the ignorant FAUX news disciple sheep will not come around until education is fixed say a generation from now. GO PELOSI GO! OBMANOS!

Posted by: jbento | November 8, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Tragically, it doesn't seem to have occurred to any of them to work together to fix the health care bill. I am disgusted with them all already. There are some good provisions in the bill but it is loaded with pure garbage. It must be edited for common sense, clarity, efficacy, organization and cost or we are all
losers. Maybe I missed it but I have not heard one person on either side even suggest working together for the good of
the American people who will have to suffer from the destruction of the health care system at the hands of the worst
piece of legislation ever written. Putting
the pit bull back on guard to prevent sanity from ever touching the bill is SHAMEFUL. The woman is poison to the hopes of the country for positive changes. WE DESERVE BETTER, not another race to the bottom.

Posted by: giatny | November 8, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Tragically, it doesn't seem to have occurred to any of them to work together to fix the health care bill. I am disgusted with them all already. There are some good provisions in the bill but it is loaded with pure garbage. It must be edited for common sense, clarity, efficacy, organization and cost or we are all
losers. Maybe I missed it but I have not heard one person on either side even suggest working together for the good of
the American people who will have to suffer from the destruction of the health care system at the hands of the worst
piece of legislation ever written. Putting
the pit bull back on guard to prevent sanity from ever touching the bill is SHAMEFUL. The woman is poison to the hopes of the country for positive changes. WE DESERVE BETTER, not another race to the bottom.

Posted by: giatny | November 8, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I am sad to see that many of the "con" comments to this article are nothing but hate-mail. Would be nice if there were an intelligent dialogue without name calling.

Posted by: RK108 | November 8, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I am sad to see that many of the "con" comments to this article are nothing but hate-mail. Would be nice if there were an intelligent dialogue without name calling.

Posted by: RK108 | November 8, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

To suggest that President Obama has a personality disorder is insane. He is one of the most stable and sane people I have ever witnessed. The entire country would be better off working with the president to accomplish relief for the middle class, jobs for the rest, and a robust economy. We need people working to stimulate the economy. Don't worry to much about tax cuts for the wealthy, they are already doing well or feel like we need to give tax breaks to corporations who report massive profits. You republicans make me sick. You rely on your benefactor overlords with money to take care of you. However they are more concerned with profits and everyone's job will soon be following the others overseas where labor is almost free. Go ahead compete with that. However who is going to buy these goods to stimulate the economy. republicans have done everything in their power to destroy US. Speaking of a president with a personality disorder look at your hero JWBUSH. Read Bush on the Couch.

Posted by: drrgwilson | November 8, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

"Can't we all just get along?"

Are not the Dem's going to compromise with the Repub.'s to move the country forward?

Where is the desire for bipartisanship that existed before the election?

If they had been serious Pelosi would not even be discussed as minority leader and there would be no talk of drawing lines anywhere.

Posted by: danoh50 | November 8, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

TELEPROMPT BARRY, WHINEY HARRY, AND WACKY NANCY--THE NEW FACE OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

THANK YOU GOD.

Posted by: beecheery | November 9, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

The voters will play rough with the democrats if they put Pelosi any place where her face gets seen. I thought ramming through the health care bill would be the last mistake they'd ever make. Apparently I was wrong. They are incapable of learning from their mistakes, so now they make a worse one. They really are cementing the impression in the electorate that they just don't care what the people think and they don't listen. And that spells d-o-o-m.

Posted by: aicohn | November 9, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

The voters will play rough with the democrats if they put Pelosi any place where her face gets seen. I thought ramming through the health care bill would be the last mistake they'd ever make. Apparently I was wrong. They are incapable of learning from their mistakes, so now they make a worse one. They really are cementing the impression in the electorate that they just don't care what the people think and they don't listen. And that spells d-o-o-m.

Posted by: aicohn | November 9, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

The voters will play rough with the democrats if they put Pelosi any place where her face gets seen. I thought ramming through the health care bill would be the last mistake they'd ever make. Apparently I was wrong. They are incapable of learning from their mistakes, so now they make a worse one. They really are cementing the impression in the electorate that they just don't care what the people think and they don't listen. And that spells d-o-o-m.

Posted by: aicohn | November 9, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Play rough? She's irrelevant. Nazi Pel-Nazi's a back-bencher now. The Madam from San Franc-sicko is an anchor around every Democrat's neck.

Posted by: doctorfixit | November 9, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Can't play rough with NO POWER, butyou on the left can continue to make believe she has power, just like you made believe Obama wasn't a Marxist and you did'nt get destroyed last Tuesday. Keep making believe and talking amongst yourselves. Real Americans aren't listening anymore.

Posted by: vintax1 | November 9, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

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