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Posted at 12:37 PM ET, 11/17/2010

Obama: GOP successfully outplayed us on health reform

By Greg Sargent

One last nugget from Richard Wolffe's new book on the Obama White House. In an interview with Wolffe, the President seemed to acknowledge that in pursuing bipartisan support for health reform, he and Democrats got snookered by a previously-thought-out GOP strategy to delay the process for as long as possible in order to politically damage him and the Democratic Party.

Here's the President on page 75:

"You have to give the Republicans credit, just from a pure political perspective, that they used every instrument available to them in the Senate to prolong the process in such a way that helped drive down support nationally, that gave everybody a sense that somehow Washington was broken," he told me. "At a time when everybody was worrying about jobs, for us to have to spend six to nine months on this piece of legislation obviously was not helpful."

In other words, Obama is saying, Republicans were only gaming the process all along. That amounts to an admission that Dems were foolish to let Republicans draw out the process as long as possible, since their game plan was clearly to damage Dems by persuading people that government remained broken, that Obama had failed to change Washington, and that he wasn't properly focused on fixing the economy.

If Obama believes this -- and it seems clear that he does -- you have to wonder why he keeps heaping blame on himself for failing to change the tone in Washington.

Separately, I still don't get why it's not more broadly accepted that the quest for bipartisan support in particular was one of the main things that led to health reform becoming such a political liability for Dems. It allowed the process to drag on months longer than it had to, which directly led to the failure to pass reform before Scott Brown's election to the Senate. Brown's victory then allowed Republicans to argue that health reform had been repudiated by the American people before it had even passed, and forced Dems to use reconciliation to pass reform -- which in turn allowed Republicans to further sour the public on the process.

Good to hear Obama conceding the point.

By Greg Sargent  | November 17, 2010; 12:37 PM ET
Categories:  2010 elections, Health reform, Senate Republicans  
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This Start Thing


There is no rush to this, and it isn't even a crisis.

The thing is this: Obama wants to rack up a "win." Somehow Obama thinks if he pushes this through he has "something" on foreign policy.


Well - that first goes to show that Obama's other foreign policy objectives have gone so badly.


AND it also reflects a nervousness on the part of Obama and his people that health care just might get REPEALED.


If health care does end up getting repealed, then it really isn't an accomplishment of Obama - it represents a complete failure that only led to damage to Obama and his party.


WELL.....


CLEARLY, Obama's best chance RIGHT NOW is to put health care back on the table - and offer up SIGNIFICANT COMPROMISES ON THE HEALTH CARE BILL NOW.

That will allow Obama to negotiate on health care from a position of relative strength because the bill is already passed - so Obama would be wise to head-off the REPEAL efforts in that way.

In addition, that will preserve some of Obama's accomplishments on health care.


It really is Obama's best chance - but when has Obama EVER listened to REASON, or acted in a way that would work well in the long run.


All we have seen from Obama is short-sightedness, and actions which anger people and poison the atmoshere.

That is why the meeting today was cancelled.


Sorry - they should hire me to work all this out - both sides could use massive improvements in their strategies and public images.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Out played, this is the understatement of the century.

The GOP were the only ones playing. The Dems never showed for the game...

Posted by: soapm | November 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Ome thing to remember though is that the narrative is a lie. Health care reform wasnt held up by procedural tricks until the end. The actual damaging hold up was the gang of six talks which Obama endorsed and which ultimately proved fruitless. Yes it was the attempt at bartisanship that was the problem but the House and one Senate committee had already passed versions of health care reform but Presidents Conrad and Bauchus wasted just enough time that death panels and the like were birthed.

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | November 17, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

sg, you gotta remember that Dems pushed back passage of the finance committee legislation by a few months, in hopes of getting Grassley et al. that alone ended up meaning that Brown got elected before they could pass the final product

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the President, he has the capacity to lead, to outflank, to divide, to upstage...the Republicans after all, are not popular, they have no leadership, they are very vulnerable. People are pretending it isn't about Obama, it is about the economy, it isn't about Obama, its about Harry Reid, it isn't Obama its is Rham Emanuel, it isn't that Obama can't lead it is because the Republicans are mean.

The Republicans are a dangerous mess. For better or worse, the Presidency has never been more powerful than the office is now. Obama needs to lead this country or we'll have to wait for someone who can. Still, of course it is good he got elected, McCain Palin? Just imagining that debacle is painful.

But the health care bill was and will remain a mess because Obama's presidency is a mess because he represents business as usual and he said he wouldn't.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I hope Obama learned a lesson, and learned it well.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama is just stating fact.

Before Obama even took office the GOP plan for obstructing and delaying everything was in place.

The GOP does everything it can to slow down, or kill, the process. Then the GOP turns and blames Obama for the slow process. When that doesn't work, and after a year the bill passes, then the GOP claims that Obama and the Democrats "Rammed it down."

The amazing thing is that anyone in the media gives the GOP any credibility on anything.

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From the New York Times:

WASHINGTON — Before the health care fight, before the economic stimulus package, before President Obama even took office, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, had a strategy for his party: use his extensive knowledge of Senate procedure to slow things down, take advantage of the difficulties Democrats would have in governing and deny Democrats any Republican support on big legislation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html

Posted by: HansSolo | November 17, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

That was Grassley, Enzi and Snowe who were originally part of the Finance group I believe.

Enzi dropped out quickly saying he couldn't go along with what they were proposing. Then Grassley jumped on the kill grandma death panel bandwagon as soon as the right wing overwhelmed the discussion with their astro-turfing.

Once that happened, the bi-partisanship ended and all that was left was trying to convince Snowe to be a yes vote on their version out of committee which they got in the end....but at what costs.

The image Obama was trying to project ended up being used against him.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "I still don't get why it's not more broadly accepted that the quest for bipartisan support in particular was one of the main things that led to health reform becoming such a political liability for Dems."

You seem to be "forgetting" that the Dems lacked support in their own caucus!

Posted by: sbj3 | November 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Either Obama is incredibly dense or he knows something that we don't. I saw James Kloppenberg on Charlie Rose a few days ago and basically says that Obama's patience and commitment to bipartisanship is a sign of strength, not weakness. Maybe he's right. If you make the Republicans give concrete answers to difficult questions, you've already diminished half of their argument.

We had eight years of brash, in your face, go it alone policies and Bush ended with approval ratings in the 30-some percent and is widely considered a failed President. Obama's leadership style is different. He'll play the chump for the sake of trying to be bipartisan. Maybe he'll go down as a failure too. But if he doesn't, he'll have a lasting impact on American politics.

Posted by: klautsack | November 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama continues to lie.....America dies.

Posted by: magsthecat1 | November 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

OT but looks like the Washington Independent is closing its doors Dec. 1.

http://washingtonindependent.com/103701/the-washington-independent-signing-off

Too bad, I still rely on them daily for another perspective.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

If only the Democratic caucus had 60 votes to stop all the Republicsn chicanery. it's just so sad really.

Greg, seriously, what was delaying the bill was convincing Democrats to vote for this POS. The Republicans were powerless to slow down, let alone stop this abortion. In fact, Barry got a RINO to help vote this abomination out of committee.

If you don't like the bill, and no rational person does, blame the 60 vote Democratic caucus, not the BS Barry is trying to sell.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | November 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

He fought the Clintons hard, his racism speech was an all or nothing gambit. He sold the idea that the Clintons represented business as usual and that he did not. He sold the idea that the Clintons were too politically damaged to fight the Republicans and win. Then he became enervated, it is as though something happened. The beer summit? I just can't figure out what happened to the guy we elected.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Umm....Troll...Republicans were working on various bills alongside Democrats up until the Summer of Astro-turf wars.

They were negotiating in bad faith come to find out.

As you said, they should have rammed the bill through in the first couple months via reconciliation and ignored all the bad press.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

By insisting on bipartisan support Obama and the Democrats cede their power to the Republicans. They have made Republican participation a top priority and Republicans will decide when to allow that participation.

Every time I hear the President talk about how we need bipartisanship, I despair. We need jobs. We need stronger policies on energy, the environment, better tax policies.

Bipartisanship doesn't employ anyone but windbag pundits, it doesn't feed anyone, it doesn't really give us better policies.

"Bipartisanship is another name for date rape," said both Dick Armey and Grover Norquist. Stop trying for it, Democrats!

Posted by: ANDYO1 | November 17, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

mike: "That was Grassley, Enzi and Snowe who were originally part of the Finance group I believe.
Enzi dropped out quickly .."

I believe it was Orrin Hatch who dropped out.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 17, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

6 to 9 months spent on healthcare while Americans for having town hall meetings saying NO to healthcare and asking what the heck was being done about jobs in this country.
GOP did not outplay Obama and the Democrats, their own ears did.
They need to listen. And that means listen to the majority of voters in this country. We elect. We hire them and we fire them.

Posted by: Indi1 | November 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

klauts, the eight years of Bush/Cheney were not a disaster because they weren't into bipartisanship, they were a disaster because they were a disaster.
Obama wants to do the right thing, but if anyone thinks he is going to bring Republicans over that threshold, I'll say they need to pay attention.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

suzi,

"ENZI EXPLAINS HIS APPROACH TO NEGOTIATIONS.... Sen. Mike Enzi (R) of Wyoming, one of the Senate Finance Committee's Gang of Six, hosted a town-hall meeting on Monday in which most of his constituents urged him to drop out of the negotiations."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_08/019650.php

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 17, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

So let's see... it takes almost a year for you clowns to figure out that you got played??? People actually spent MILLIONS on lobbyists, crooks, professional liars and pure BS artists to derail your every effort?? Ant it took you over a year to come to this conclusion?? You folks truly are living in the same bubble chimpy was living as Katrina took half of our gulf coast away..

You people are the true mental midgets.

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | November 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Bipartisan...Obama never contacted the minority leaders for the entire two years! And now he has the audacity to talk this reaching across the aisle nonsense.
Americans are not fooled.
And Reps, please do keep Nancy.
With Barry, Harry and Nancy in charge, 2012 will be an easy victory for the Republicans/ Independents/ Conservatives and Moderates.

Posted by: Indi1 | November 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

baldwin, who said it took anyone a year? This is just quoting a book from Wolffe on the first couple years of the Presidency. This conversation between Wolffe and Obama didn't take place yesterday.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 17, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

mike:

* JULY 22, 2009, 2:06 P.M. ET

Hatch Drops Out of Senate Health Negotiating Group

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Orrin Hatch said Wednesday he has withdrawn from a bipartisan Senate group that is negotiating legislation to overhaul the health-care system.

Mr. Hatch (R., Utah) is one of four Republicans that began negotiating with the aim of reaching bipartisan agreement on a bill. However, of the four, he had been considered the least likely to support a final product. Talks are continuing to try to get Sens. Charles Grassley (R., Iowa); Olympia Snowe (R., Maine) and Mike Enzi (R., Wyo.) to throw their support behind the package.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124828540298772909.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Greg

You are wrong.

It wasn't the quest for bipartisan reform which was the real problem


It was the WAY Obama was working the "bipartisanship" -

1) Obama made it like it would be a major win for him, and none for everyone else.

2) that was really stupid for Obama to do

3) Obama tried right off to "pick off one or two Republicans" - instead of making a broad deal with the Republican leadership - which would require Obama to SHARE credit and SHARE the win.


4) Obama's whole approach was FLAWED from the beginning.


5) Obama was too inexperienced and unqualified to do ANY of this. If Obama was on the Hill for decades, and had relationships across the aisle, Obama would have had a chance. Obama had no qualifications in compromise at all, he had absolutely no idea what he was doing.

These are FUNDAMENTAL mistakes - basic mistakes of approach.


Obama is a complete failure.


You and the democrats are COMPLETE FOOLS to think that Obama could have done any of this.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Miguelito said: "As you said, they should have rammed the bill through in the first couple months via reconciliation and ignored all the bad press."

why lie? You know I didn't write that. Is your argument so week you have to write falsehoods? Pathetic. Democrats couldn't convince their own caucus to support this turd. Greg is assisting the administration in whitewashing the horror of the bill and process. No fillerbuster proof majority in the history of the Republic ever sacrificed for "bipartisanship."

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | November 17, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"I hope Obama learned a lesson, and learned it well."

I hope so too. If he caves on the tax extension for the top 2% then he hasn't learned the lesson. If Obama and the Dems can't stand up on this issue before that extension date expires then I see no reason why I should ever bother voting for him in 2012. It's bad enough that I already have a worthless DINO as my Congressman, whose name I refuse to put a check by on voting day.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

You're right suz. My fault. I forgot Hatch was part of it to be honest.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I see a buncha trolls have invaded but Greg I wasnt arguing the quest for bipartisanship wasnt the problem. I was pointing out that he enabled them to lengthen the process not with filibusters or other tricks but with that Gang of Six bs. He tells Bauchus to do it through the commitee like everything else and the whole timeline speeds up.

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | November 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Republicans were only gaming the process all along


Greg

You completely fail to recognize that Obama was gaming the compromise process all along

And that started during the campaign


Obama is the one who messed this up.


You are blaming the Repubicans for watching their backs.


Obama is the one who was seeking MAXIMUM PARTISAN ADVANTAGE from compromise.


It's stupid.


Compromise does not work that way.


Obama was seeking PARTISAN ADVANTAGE - a fundamental mistake.


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One more point

The whole "fear-mongering thing" the democrats pull with Social Security at election time ACTUALLY hurts the prospect for health care reform.


The whole idea that democrats FALSELY go around at election time to scare seniors into voting democratic because the Republicans might take away SS.

That is a lie - the Republicans are not going to do that.


That has HURT HEALTH CARE REFORM

Because the Republicans RIGHTLY AND WISELY do not want a situation in which health care benefits are ANOTHER ISSUE at election time.


This is just ANOTHER way the conduct of the democrats have SABOTAGED health care.


And Obama did the SS thing during the 2008 campaign - so he is NOT innocent, but fully guilty.


This whole idea that the democrats were going to gain an ELECTION ADVANTAGE from health care SABOTAGED the whole process.


If you want health care, IT HAS TO BE WIN-WIN.

Obama didn't do that, and that makes Obama a failure.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Actually, you liberal dummies are completely wrong.

The GOP didn't successfully outplay you on health reform, the country did.

Outside the 10-15% radical fundamentalist liberal left, health reform didn't matter a whole lot.

Posted by: krazen1211 | November 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I think there are alternate explanations to what he is saying.

"they used every instrument available to them in the Senate to prolong the process in such a way that helped drive down support nationally"

in other words, the more people learned about it the less they liked it.

"At a time when everybody was worrying about jobs, for us to have to spend six to nine months on this piece of legislation obviously was not helpful."

in other words, we were pushing the wrong priorities.

Posted by: sold2u | November 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Mike from Arlington

You should be banned for "intent to harass" other posters.


You have no personal complaint - you have your software, so you have no problem.

Your claim to represent other people is bogus UNLESS you are a PAID SPAMMER yourself - and you are therefor intent on harassing and stopping the other side from voicing their opinions.


You are UNAMERICAN and a threat to democracy. Deportation is the proper thing to do with you - because you do not believe in FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


But at this point, you should be banned

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Politics at the level we are discussing isn't a contact sport, it is a matter of life and death. The sooner Democrats understand that, the more likely they are to become able to lead the country...some day.

Again, somehow they squandered a fantastic outpouring of political good will in an equally unbelievably short period of time. You can't blame Fox news, not enough bipartisanship and so on, it was a lack of leadership. There was no there there, there was no leadership.

Obama turned his economic agenda over to the usual suspects, the supply siders, the inside players and of course Reid Daschle and Pelosi and all of their many friends when it came to the health industry gets paid bill (if your kids are not planning to work in the health industry, well, that's too bad).

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

INDI1 IS RIGHT

krazen1211 is right too


the problem was the POLICY, and the country DID NOT want an expensive health care plan in the middle of an Economic Crisis.


The democrats put themselve OUT-OF-TOUCH with the American People.


It was a fundament FLAW IN DEMOCRATS - thinking that they were not there to represent what the people want, but to push through some ILL-CONCEIVED LIBERAL AGENDA WHICH SHOULD BE TRASHED.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Mikefrom Arlington

You have to be astro-turf because there is no other explanation -

your software should make you happy - so any complaint has to be due to the fact that you are not accomplishing your astro-turf duties.


GUILTY AS CHARGED

Case closed.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

mike, np! Hard keeping this all straight...

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

The Fundamental Mistake

The Fundamental Mistake of Obama is not placing the priority on the Economic Crisis.

Obama sparked an anger in the American People that he can not overcome - people want to get rid of him because he is perceived as ignoring the Economic Crisis in favor of his liberal agenda of expensive health care.


This is Obama's fundamental failure - his fundamental "disconnect" with the American People.

Obama was SO ARROGANT that he even went before Congress last fall and said exactly that.


That was the most FOOLISH STATEMENT OBAMA EVER MADE IN HIS LIFE - he didn't come to Washington to deal with things like the Economy, but his big things.


It is a fundamental disconnect - and Obama should be FIRED.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

IRONY

There is an irony here - it really was the Economy which tripped Obama up.

Obama was unable to deal properly with the Economy.

Obama was unable or unwilling to put aside his liberal expensive agenda during a time of Economic Crisis.

The irony is that it really is Bill Clinton whose fault it is. Clinton did the subprime mortgage program, the repeal of Glass Steagall and the Deregulation of Derivatives.

So it was Bill Clinton - who LOST his majorities in Congress - who could not do "big things" - and instead settled on little things.


It was Bill Clinton who REFUSED to resign - and hung in there - denying Al Gore a chance to win in 2000 as sitting President.


Ironically, it was BILL CLINTON searching for his "little things" to accomplish which CAUSED THE ECONOMIC CRISIS which eventually tripped up Obama.


Irony, rooted in Bill Clinton's refusal to resign -


A disaster from A to Z.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Mike Lux has an insider's view of WH negotiations. There's a time and place for bi-partisanship and compromise but there's also a limit to how much can be accomplished from a liberal perspective. The other party is not really playing yet, although now that they have some of the actual responsibility of governing there may be a little bit of loosening in the hard lines they drew the last two years. I don't hold out much hope, but I always hold out a little.

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"My advice to President Obama: don't wait as long as Clinton to stand your ground on important things. The economy is worse and not coming back fast, voters are in bad moods, and the blogosphere (which wasn't around in 1994/1995) and others in the media will eat you alive if you don't show some strength and moxie soon. Most importantly, pick some fights and stand tall on the things that matter not to DC elites but to the hurting and angry working and middle class voters that turned against us in the election. Some specific suggestions that are all both good policy things to do but also weighted with huge symbolic weight both to your progressive base and to the middle class:

1. Side with struggling homeowners, not the banks, on the foreclosure crisis.
2. Pick a fight and make the Republicans defend and specifically vote for extending the Bush tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires.
3. Pick as head of the National Economic Council a person who is known to be a strong advocate for the middle class.
4. Once the Deficit Commission has gone through its process, than thank them for their work but make it clear that you would never support raising the retirement age, cutting Social Security benefits, and ending the mortgage and health care deductions. Propose your own plan that balances the budget in the long run without transferring income from the middle class to the wealthy.
5. Announce an aggressive new plan to rebuild America's manufacturing sector, and make the Republicans say why they don't want to do it.

Doing things like this show strength, and show the middle class you are on their side. Those are the two most important things you can do to reassure both your base and swing voters, and you need to do both to rebuild your Presidency."

Posted by: lmsinca | November 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Americans were the ones who got snookered on Obamacare.

Obama is claiming that he was outplayed because Americans had too much time to think about health care.

If the more we think about it the less we like it, maybe it's not such a good move to begin with.

Posted by: Benson | November 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Now you know you can't trust the GOP. Never again. You don't owe them a thing. It's time to get a backbone and fight back. No more excuses.

Posted by: jckdoors | November 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

60 Votes


60 Votes turned out to be the poison apple for Obama - causing him to refuse to negotiate with the Republican leadership.

In addition, Obama CHEATED to get to 60


Obama cheated by leaving the Campaign Finance system - giving him the chance to apply extra money in Georgia and in Minnesota


Who knows what happened in Minnesota, but that Court case was BOGUS


And then OBAMA CHEATED by having the Massachusetts legislature to change the law.


Remember Arlen Specter switched parties, the People did NOT elect him to vote with the democrats


Those are FOUR states in which the Senate votes were manipulated - OBAMA'S POISON APPLE WHICH LED TO HIS UNDOING.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

RedTea, I can't tell whether you're far left or far right, but either way, you're so obviously determined to tear down Pres. Obama that I'm surprised you're not posting in all caps by now.

Here's a tip: Do less name calling and more analyzing if you really want to convince others you're right. Otherwise, you run the risk of being seen as nothing more than a stalking horse for the hatemongers who never wanted Obama to succeed...

Posted by: DCSteve1 | November 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

What Obama is saying is that he was concerned with what's best for the American people over the long term, and the republicans were concerned with what's best for republicans in the short term. Nothing wrong with that. By delaying the legislative process surrounding health care reform, the republicans added millions to the unemployment rolls and helped push hundreds of thousands to foreclosure, since they knew the Administration would not be able to focus on the economy until after healthcare.

Posted by: billycdc | November 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Pres. Obama hasn't gotten it that the Republicans are going to do that with tax breaks for the rich, jobs bills, etc. He's STILL talking about
bipartisanship." He is incapable of getting it about the Republicans. Incapable.

Posted by: nadinem | November 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Greg

If YOU think Obama got overplayed


YOU can pick up the health insurance premium increases and pay them for everyone else


The country is STILL facing EXTREMELY HIGH EXPENSES AND COSTS AS A DIRECT RESULT OF OBAMA

This is going to drag down the economy and drag down hiring - until something can be done about it.


The damage to the Economy from Obama is going to be EXPENSIVE AND EXTENSIVE.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Looking back at what went wrong is important (for example, right on billycdc), but there is an election coming in a very short period of time.

Now, if the Democrats let the Republicans get organized (put out the Palin tire fire), get rid of Steele, purge the TP kooks and let the firm of Rove Gillespie & Barbour pick moderate leadership without any interference, then they are even weaker than I thought. Democrats have to drop gas cans around Palin, they have to set mines in the political territory surrounding the Republican convention. If they don't fight to keep the WH every day they will lose it. Howard Dean knew that, I lament to add.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Replying to:
"McTrollWingNut: If only the Democratic caucus had 60 votes to stop all the Republican chicanery. it's just so sad really. Greg, seriously, what was delaying the bill was convincing Democrats to vote for this POS. The Republicans were powerless to slow down, let alone stop this abortion. In fact, Barry got a RINO to help vote this abomination out of committee.

If you don't like the bill, and no rational person does, blame the 60 vote Democratic caucus, not the BS Barry is trying to sell."

Troll (what an apt screenname, by the way), your history is WAY off. First of all, the Democrats did not get the 60th senator, Al Franken, until July 2009. And the supermajority only lasted until Scott Brown was elected the following November.

In your zeal to attack Democrats, you also conveniently omit the fact that Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd were both seriously ill, so for most of 2009 the Democrats only had 57 votes at most. That allowed the GOP to obstruct at will.

Please peddle your crap elsewhere.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | November 17, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

i don't really have anything to SAY but i'm going to CAPITALIZE random VERBS and NOUNS and the occasional PREPOSITION.

Posted by: joew22 | November 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

DCSteve

I am attempting to analyze these issues around Obama - and sometimes the liberals just don't get how or why Obama got tripped up.

My major concern is to see the nation governed properly.

I am pretty critical of a great number of things. I am a fiscal Conservative - but that is about as far partisan as you can place me.

Believe it or not.

I am really serious that Obama is doing virtually nothing for the innercities. And I hold that out for the democratic party as a whole. I find it ridiculous if one supports the democrats because "they help the poor." The democrats get elected with that rhetoric, but once in office they do little for the poor. It is a major issue.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Democrats show up to govern.

Republicans just play politics and do NOTHING ELSE.

It is as if they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

Posted by: celested91 | November 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, RedTea. Though I am curious what you think the president can/should do about the inner cities--isn't that primarily a local and state issue?

In any case, I stand by my point: Intemperate rhetoric doesn't shed light; it just turns up the heat.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | November 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

DCSteve

the other major problem with health care is exactly what you said - the democrats didn't want it because they KNEW it would lead to electorial defeat.

Obama - coming from a gerrymandered Black district in Illinois, simply did not understand what it meant to run in a truly competitive district.

In addition, Obama was handed the democratic nomination for Senate in Illinois in 2004 - they handed him a seat on Affirmative Action grounds -

So Obama NEVER understood what it meant to run for office - like everyone else.


Obama had a completely different election experience from everyone else - Obama couldn't deal with the Blue Dogs because Obama had NO election experience.


It is sad - but true.


There is a guy named Jack Ryan - who the Repubicans ran off their ticket in 2004 - he may have won - and you would have never heard of Obama.


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Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

So, the GOP gets a chance to question CMS Chief Berwick about the Affordable Care Act and they spend their time complaining that they don't have enough time.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/11/17/berwick-hearing1/

Someone thinks these people are serious about solving our problems?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 17, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

President Obama, Listen up! The Republicans "played" you while we - your supporters - were begging you take a more productive course but you ignored us. We are very disappointed in you. Ever since you became president, your political situational awareness has left a lot to be desired. Your failure to listen, respond and communicate your goals effectively has left us very demoralized. You need to leave the White House and get back down to where the real people are. Stop trying to look Presidential. You already have enough style , cultivate more substance by acknowledging the peoples hardships and pain by showing us what you are doing about them. Stand for something. Be willing to fight even it shuts down the government. Most of all, you can no longer cave in to every wish of the Republicans to change the "tone" in Washington. We want results. We don't care how the sausage is made , just make sure you have something for people to eat come dinner time. It is all about results, results, results....It all about jobs, jobs, jobs......

Posted by: Obamarama1 | November 17, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The great myth out there is that the American people know what's best. They do not. Obama knew all along that the easy road to take regarding health care, and the safest road politically, would be to do nothing at all about health care, just like George W. Bush did nothing during the previous eight years. Obama put the good of country ahead of political considerations.

Another myth is that the Republicans kept Obama from passing what he wanted to pass. In fact, it was the numerous pretenders from his own party that kept him from being able to take advantage of the Democratic majority. I'm talking about gutless posers like the so-called Blue Dog Democrats, many of whom stand for nothing other than getting re-elected by a populace that has little clue as to what's in their own best interest.

Posted by: sonny2 | November 17, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

All, more on Obama's alleged "ambush" of Republicans:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/senate_gop_leadership_flatly_d.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 17, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Out played, this is the understatement of the century.

The GOP were the only ones playing. The Dems never showed for the game...

Posted by: soapm | November 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse
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From the very beginning I saw the GOP's strategy for what it was and I certainly wasn't alone. I can't tell you how unbelievably frustrating it was to see Obama and the Democrats try again and again to compromise with people who simply weren't interested in making a deal.

I don't know who was advising Obama and Democrats in this regard but frankly they should be fired for political incompetence. They completely misunderstood the nature of their opponents and for that they frankly deserved what they got this midterm season.

This White House is absolutely horrible at politics, just horrible.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | November 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

American People: Obama played US on health care reform!

Health care reform would have addressed health care costs for Americans. Adding 20 million subscribers and sticking the taxpayer and other health care users with the bill isn't reform. It's redistribution.

Posted by: Benson | November 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

What a laugh, is this Wolfe a child or what? What part of the news for 6 months during the Health Care debate did Wolfe miss?

The DEMs were fighting with the DEMs over health Care. Republicans had no say.

The Republicans had no power, and were even unpopular. For Wolfe to even accept Obama's statement against the Republicans he had to be a thoughtless baffoon, and now he tries to spread it to us again. We didn't buy it then and not now.

The liberals were commanding 60 seats in the Senate for about a year, they had a super majority in the house and the White House. Yet, to pass this evil legislation Obama had to do back room deals with, Democrats, not republicans.

The Back Room Deals between Democrats became so obvious that the people rebelled.

The obvious issue is that the Bill was so unpopular with Democrats and with the masses that the Democrat leadership had to buy votes with special deals.

Even the Unions were apposed to this bill until they got a special deal.

The Republicans were made the scape goat for the time it took to pass this bill, but, the real issue was it was just a rotten bill from the start, and should not of been forwarded by the Democrat leadership.

It is still a lousy bill, and is still very unpopular with the majority still opposing it, and many Democrats wish it was never passed.


Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Well of course, Republicans didn't want Americans to have access to affordable healthcare!!
And they were so successful that Teanuts with NO healthcare and NO jobs were railing against Obamacare.
lol
Fools!

Posted by: angie12106 | November 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

healthcare is only one issue where mr hopey changey got rolled ... the generals, bibi, the unprosecuted torture team(s)...

Posted by: mycomment | November 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

""You have to give the Republicans credit, just from a pure political perspective, that they used every instrument available to them in the Senate to prolong the process in such a way that helped drive down support nationally, that gave everybody a sense that somehow Washington was broken,"

Here is a clip of Obama saying "Washington is broken"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-K8AuuCV6E

Posted by: bobmoses | November 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Democrats show up to govern.

Republicans just play politics and do NOTHING ELSE.

It is as if they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

Posted by: celested91 | November 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse
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Well the same could be said for the Democrats - why can't they play politics and govern? If you lose the political game and yes it is a game, than you won't have an opportunity to govern (or even govern effectively) so how cares?

Is politics often stupid, petty and childish and dishonest? Yes but if you're not playing the game all your great governance ideas are all for naught.

All this talk of reaching out for the greater good is just naive. The only way the Republicans will ever play ball is if the Democrats back them into a corner by playing the very game the Republicans so excel at.

Such is the nature of 21st Century American Politics...

Posted by: cjpotter19 | November 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile.......
Seniors are making appointments for FREE checkups effective Jan. 1 via Obamacare.
And now children can stay on parents' policies until age 26.
And now insurance companies cannot drop coverage when the insured get sick.
And now insurance companies cannot set maximum limits on benefits.

Obamacare timeline by year........woohoo!

http://docs.house.gov/energycommerce/TIMELINE.pdf

Posted by: angie12106 | November 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Since when is slowing down the legislative process a bad thing? Especially when you are talking about legislation that will radically change 1/8th of the economy?

If Obamacare had been any good, giving the American People a chance to understand what was in the bill would not have "damaged" Obama or the Democrat Party. On the contrary, support would have increased.

Posted by: pmendez | November 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

MR. PRESIDENT: NEVER UNDERESTMATE YOUR OPPONENTS

One of the first rules in politcs -- never underestimate your opponent! The Republicans have delivered a knock-out to the Democrats that will take possibly another 8-10 years for the Democrats to unravel.

I suggest you all read this article from the San Diego County News to get the details on how the Republicans were able to give the president and his party an historical SHELLACKING -- Good Reading.

San Diego County News:
http://www.sandiegocountynews.com/2010/11/09/how-the-republicans-managed-to-give-the-democrats-an-historical-%E2%80%98shellacking%E2%80%99/

Posted by: djoh1226 | November 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Ms jwoods wrote,

"The Republicans had no power, and were even unpopular."

And it is still true. And it is still true, Democrats can't lead, that is the only possible conclusion.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Well of course, Republicans didn't want Americans to have access to affordable healthcare!!
And they were so successful that Teanuts with NO healthcare and NO jobs were railing against Obamacare."
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Of course the Republicans would appose all Americans being forced at the mercy of Big H.C. Insurance and Big Pharma.

The Democrat leadership argued that they were putting forward a bill to protect Americans from Big H.C. Insurance.

What a deception.

How can you protect all Americans from Big Insurance by forcing All Americans onto Big Insurance, and leaving them at the mercy of Big Insurance?

What a Insurance scam.

Everyone at the mercy of Big Insurance, with the IRS gearing up to enforce the scam in favor of Big Insurance.


Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I was an Obama supporter, but if he is just realizing what MILLIONS of us have known for a long time, he's a damn fool and doesn't deserve a second term. It took him halfway through his term to realize that the opposition wants his job, nothing else? Come on Obama, wake the hell up!!! Fire your team and get people in there with some cajones!!!

Signed,

Angry black man who will be staying home in 2012, even if the alternative is Sarah Palin!!!

Posted by: nsu1203 | November 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"This Start Thing


There is no rush to this, and it isn't even a crisis.

The thing is this: Obama wants to rack up a "win." Somehow Obama thinks if he pushes this through he has "something" on foreign policy."

This treaty stands almost no chance of passing in the new senate. that is the rush.
the work on this treaty has already been done. it's already been reviewed and approved by our top military minds, every living person who has been a US secretary of state, almost all living secretaries of defence, and foreign policy experts, both progressive and conservative.

The Obama administration had hoped to have had this passed already and already be on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which we have de-facto abided by since the 1960s. The Obama administration planned on exploring an ambitious foreign policy agenda, including a treaty securing the hundreds of bombs worth of fissile material loose in the world. Republicans have offered naught but the most ill-informed and foolish of arguments against the treaty (case and point, Mitt Romney talking about aircraft-mounted ICBMs, which shows a laughable lack of knowledge about the subject).

And what exactly has Obama done wrong in terms of foreign policy up to this point (not counting his recent reccomendations in re India)? He has secured sanctions against Iran which are squeezing them hard, he has gotten them willing to talk about Iranian-Western relations. He has approached foreign policy with a perspective of enlightened self-interest, instead of blindly asserting American dominance and letting the concerns of our allies blind us to what is best for America

Posted by: j762 | November 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Drudge links are... phenomenal.

Still I'd enjoy lunch with nsu1203, I bet if we got together on what has to happen, we'd fix it. I may get with you nsu1203, maybe this country needs even more of a Palin overdose than it already has swallowed.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Health care reform passed at the end of the day. Now, every problem that comes up in the health care area can be blamed on "Obamacare."

If the Republicana repeal health care reform, then every problem that comes up in health care can be blamed on the Republicans.

In the real world, it won't make much difference. Americans will have to pay more for health care either way.

Perhaps as Americans pay more, they'll take better care of their bodies and minds. Yes, I have the audacity to hope.

Posted by: guitar1 | November 17, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse


Barry the incompetent boob just lost 62 seats in the House and counting (with four contests still unresolved).

First Barry the inept bungler blamed everything on Bush; then when that no longer worked, Barry blamed his failures on the opposition party. Pathetic.

Miserable failure Obama

Posted by: screwjob22 | November 17, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"The president seemed to acknowledge that he and Democrats got snookered by the GOP."

ROFLMAO!

The Repubs didn't have a voice or vote in it. Obumbler is ready for the funny farm.

Posted by: illogicbuster | November 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to me to see some posters, the writer of this article and Obama himself trying to suppose that the majority of the American Public is so stupid that the Republicans could dup them.

First it was Bushes Fault, Then it was the Republicans fault, now it is the supposed dumb masses fault.

Well, if it was the supposed dumb American's fault, then perhaps it was the supposed dumb Americans that were duped into voting for the Democrats in the first place, including Obama, don't you think?

Obama obviously believes he duped the masses using the news media to get elected, so it is obvious to him the masses can be duped, so it must be the Republicans have now duped the masses, seeing the masses are rejecting him and his policies.

I can't see how these article writers can keep a straight face when writing this stuff.


Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

If you want to know why the Democrats are struggling, look in a mirror.

The message from lots of Democratic voices, including you, Pelosi and the President are that the American people are all slightly retarded and suffer from ADD. . . . Ooh, look! Shiny!

Everyone is desperate to convince everyone else that the disaster that overtook the Democratic party two weeks ago had nothing to do with Democratic policies except -- and this is so delusional as to require medication -- that these policies were not progressive enough. It was the economy, Americans were too clueless to appreciate our wondefulness, it was the sneaky Republicans, it was anything except that most voters did not like what Democrats were dishing out.

President Obama came out the day after the election and said that his mistake was not communicating the amazing wonders of all his policies. He completely discounted the possibility that some significant number of people did understand his agenda and didn't like it.

Before Democrats can recover, they are going to have to entertain these self doubts. The current bizarre and unattractive combination of condescension and cluelessness is a recipe for another GOP landslide.

Posted by: anon99 | November 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

@DCSteve: Just ignore RedTeaRevolution/
Savetherainforest/orange forces/ ... Many of his former identities have been banned from this blog, but he just makes up new ones...

I think he is a paid spammer, posting the same trite, false, mendacious, crap every day on this blog. There is no reasoning with those from farrightwingnutistan. Trying to have a substantive conversation with him is like banging your head against a wall. Staring, pointing, and laughing at the drivel is amusing for awhile, but ultimately a waste of time. If you want to read more like him go to red state or some other non-factual blogs. There is a script that you can add to your browser to skip over his many piles of excrement. Search the archives for kevin_willis. He wrote the script.

Posted by: srw3 | November 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

What? ??????????????????????

Posted by: jmounday | November 17, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

To the Dems: "The first step towards recovery is admitting that you have a problem."

You aren't there yet.

Posted by: illogicbuster | November 17, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

From the very beginning I saw the GOP's strategy for what it was and I certainly wasn't alone. I can't tell you how unbelievably frustrating it was to see Obama and the Democrats try again and again to compromise with people who simply weren't interested in making a deal.

I don't know who was advising Obama and Democrats in this regard but frankly they should be fired for political incompetence. They completely misunderstood the nature of their opponents and for that they frankly deserved what they got this midterm season.

This White House is absolutely horrible at politics, just horrible.
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Partisan politics is generally "horrible" and that is what you got, you voted for it, you should of got it. The most Partisan White House in decades with the most Partisan Congress in decades in 40 years.

But, let me help you focus on reality, Obama was not and never did attempt to "compromise" with the public or the Republicans on health care.

Yes, the Democratic leadership, including Obama, found that their Partisanship was showing so badly that they decided to have a joint meeting to attempt to fray off the view of being so Partisan, but, no compromise was even considered.

But, that play had only little result, as any thinking American knew exactly what it was, including the Republicans.

By Obama's own statement, in this article, he shows he was playing the Partisan "twist the masses mind with the news" game, and has to pat the Republicans on the back for standing their ground.

It was all a Partisan game by Obama and the Democrat Leadership played to pretend to talk to the opposition, but, most Americans saw right through it.

Afterall, that Democratic Leadership Partisan game was not a complete failure, as it at least duped you and a few others into thinking the Democrats were willing to compromise, so it had one effect at minimum, it duped you, and frustrated you.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

For some strange reason, when regarding the antics of Obama, one is reminded of Elogabalus, who packed a lot of dirty deeds into a very short life. All we get these days are slouches. Tsk,tsk.

Posted by: jbksss | November 17, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

wow so did imstupidgivemegoptalkingpoints.com link to this site?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 17, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Seens like Greg and Obamalosi are 2 whiners. If Repubs were halting process, then drop the healthreform debacle and switch to creating jobs. It wasn't the Repubs who held Obamalosi up. It was his own overweening arrogance.

Posted by: jibe | November 17, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Since when is slowing down the legislative process a bad thing? Especially when you are talking about legislation that will radically change 1/8th of the economy?
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When congress is trying to steamroll the public and shutout the opposition on a bill that no one wants except the insurance companies.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

And you Dimwits keep trying to sell this guy as "The Smartest Guy in the Room Ever". Good God everytime this guy opens his mouth he screams "I'm Not Up To The Job"! Ears himself snatched the Healthcare Issue away from any semblence of bi-partisanship. As his Presidency was crumbling before his very ears his fellow Dimwits had to bale his _ss out with having to vote for: "We Have To Pass It To Find Out What's In It" and now he claims the Terminally Stupid Republicans "snookered" him. Tell me again about TheOne's intellectual brilliance! Oh yea McCain picked a totally unknown buffoon, Palin. TheOne picked a totally KNOWN buffoon, Biden. Yea TheOne sure is smart! You Betcha!! TheOne/Pelosi/Reid created the biggest electoral rout(Shellacking) in DECADES and they now whine that they got "Snookered". This bunch gets more pathetic by the minute.

Posted by: bobcatbuzz | November 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

American Taxpayers were the ones who got played.

Posted by: Benson | November 17, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

And the GOPers sabotaged the stimulus, too. Shows how much they really care about America.

Second Amendment, anyone?

Posted by: Garak | November 17, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Republicans played Obama and that's why the health care legislation took so long to pass resulting in it being so unpopular? What a bunch of malarkey from Obama and his liberal enablers!

The real problem was that once the Dems decided against compromising for Republican support and to rely solely on their 60-vote majority, each Democratic senator individually became the most powerful member in the Senate. That resulted in the Louisiana Purchase, Cornhusker Kickback, the California Doctor Fix, the Connecticut Compromise, and other back room deals. It was Cash for Cloture and every Dem senator wanted a piece of the action. When the public saw what was going on, they went bonkers and took out their frustration at town meetings and at the polls. Remember, the unpopularity of the health care bill was a major reason for the Republicans winning the Massachusetts senate seat and Virginia and New Jersey governorships. Even though they lost their 60th seat, the Dems continued to push Obamacare through using the shady reconciliation process, despite public outrage.

And the Dems continue to wonder why they lost so big this election cycle. That's OK, though; you guys can continue to rationalize away your pain from the 2010 midterms. It was entirely the Republicans' fault. Suuuuure, no problem; keep denying the real cause of your defeat and you'll just keep on losing.

See ya in 2012 .....

Posted by: braunt | November 17, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the Dem leadership can't understand why Americans don't understand their wonderfullness and their great policyness.

Obama stated when running for office, "A health care mandate is stupid", well Stupid signed Stupid in to law. And this is suppose to be "wonderfullness on his part".

Nancy P. stated "I can assure you that the bill will have a public option". Well, Nancy forced the Senate bill through the House with no public option, even though the house bill had one. An this actions is suppose to be "wonderfullness on her part".

Obama stated that the stimulus bill would keep the unemployment down under 8%, well we are still over 9.5% after 2 years. "And he thinks his actions are full of "wonderfullness".

Now, we have a H.C. Insurance Scam forced on All Americans forcing all Americans at the mercy of Big Pharma and Big Insurance,

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama didn't concede anything. He said the GOP used every trick to delay things. NOT TRUE. It was his endless whining, begging obsession with getting a Republican to love him that led him to demand the Democrats endlessly drag out the process.

It was a completely UNFORCED blunder.

Posted by: uh_huhh | November 17, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

One thing Obama should learn is that Republicans never negotiate in good faith or otherwise. But they do play harball and the don't care who gets hure in the process as long as they rewad their rich friends.

Posted by: wd1214 | November 17, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't belelieve the Republicans played Obama at all. He did it to himself and his party co-conspiriators went right a long with him. They are so bent on making government the answer to all our problems they forgot to look at the facts. First with all the trillions of dollars spent sice LBJ 's Great Society on welfare we are n better off.Second no program the government runs or backs comes in at the cost that is projected. Third and possibly the most important is they again treat the American people as a bunch of dummys and that all that tax money they appropriate is there's instead of the people who paid it in.

Posted by: gcpajunen | November 17, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama had 60 Senators and a super majority in the House. No excuses. His failure to move the process along was because he handed his agenda over to Pelosi and Reid. He showed no leadership because he doesn't know what it means to lead. He has no experience. Surprise! In over his head, way over his head.

Posted by: delusional1 | November 17, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't this make Obama more stupid than the Republicans?

Obama is an emply suit blaming all on others, as president he claims he is a victim, he blames all the world's problems on the USA, then is confused when foreign leaders diss him on the world stage.

Pathetic.

Posted by: cpameetingbook | November 17, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Another report from the parallel universe where the liberals reside. Obama didn't concede any material provision in the health care fiasco to the Republicans. Obama's definition of "bipartisanship", which is universally shared by all liberals, is "my way or the highway." It's like berating Yankee fans for not supporting the Red Sox. Obama is the President who didn't meet with the Minority Senate leader for almost 18 months. Reagan used to play cards and drink whiskey with Tip O'Neil. Obama is a failure and it is a hoot to see some dingbat reporter say Obama accepts responsibility for anything. He engages in double speak which is mainly "I take responsibility for not realizing how stupid the people were who have different political views than I have" or "I take responsibility for failing to effectively educate the moron public who are imbeciles". Of course, everyone but the Kool-Aid drinkers rejects Obama's political philosophy, his disdain for our country and his now obsolete and so 90's worship of the failed European Social Democracies. When he admits the American public knows what they want and they don't want someone with his world view, then one could say he at least is beginning to accept responsibility.

Posted by: beachbum09 | November 17, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Another cop out by the president. Its always someone else that caused the problem, never an incompetent president and advisers. All we have heard is that the president makes all of the decisions.
A pitiful attempt to point at others, we are leaderless, lets get this next two years over with and hope the newly elected independent thinking people will stand up and fight for the majority of Americans.

Posted by: HogWilder | November 17, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama LIES again!! I wonder why he thinks people believe him? Can he not look at the map and see a RED USA? His actual base is very small. They may believe what he says but the majority of the American people know he lies! The Nov 2 2010 vote shows that. Too bad he is deaf, dumb and blind.

Posted by: annnort | November 17, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"The president seemed to acknowledge that he and Democrats got snookered by the GOP."

ROFLMAO!

The Repubs didn't have a voice or vote in it. Obumbler is ready for the funny farm.

Posted by: illogicbuster
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Put on your thinking cap, the Congressional committees that all legislation passes through has D and R Reps and Senators. No Voice.... False

All of the Committee Reps and Senators can vote to send the legislation to the floor. No Vote....False

The HC legislation took almost a year to pass, how was it rammed down the American peoples throat?

The President went to the Republican retreat, he had a couple of meetings at the White House w/ Republican leaders (if he didn't, Boehner and McConnell must have a White House backdrop set somewhere on the Hill for fake meetings with the Prez take place), they had the HC debate conference (televised). The President never met with the Republicans...False

Posted by: priceisright | November 17, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The one thing you can always be sure of with Obama is that whatever happened it was someone else's fault.

Posted by: jdonner2 | November 17, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

How can the Rpublican country bumpklins have outplayed the smartest president we've ever had?

Obama has been said by the major media players, to be an astute politician, yet a group of southern led country boys took him to the cleaners?

What total foolishness. Obama got in trouble because NO ONE KNEW or would tell us what the hell was in the proposed legisltion! Obama lied constantly, telling us what HE thought should be in the Plan. Obama pretended to himself and the public that he had a healthcare plan; all the while he merely told Pelosi and Reid what he thought should be in a plan, but he left it to them to cobble a plan ... none of the leadership knew what would be in the plan when it was all said and done.

From day one, obama didn't need Republicans to pass a plan ... he was told this by the Republican leader - Rush Limbaugh, on many occasions. All he had to do was listen.

Posted by: Hazmat77 | November 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The one thing you can always be sure of with Obama is that whatever happened it was someone else's fault.

Posted by: jdonner2
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Yeah, like the Clinton tech bubble, Fannie and Freddie causing the housing market bubble after the Clinton years, Clinton's soft stance on terrorism that lead to 9/11, bad intel that led America into Iraq, the journalist the outed Plame, bank deregulation during Clinton's years that 10 years later led to the financial melt down.
Yeah Obama always has an excuse....

Posted by: priceisright | November 17, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

price is right...."The HC legislation took almost a year to pass, how was it rammed down the American peoples throat?"

Because it was enacted without any of the legislators actually reading what they voted for ... that's why it was rammed down our throats .... a pig in a poke!

Why would ANY American want legislation enacted by peiple who don't know the contents of the legislation? This is the craziest way to run a government!

Posted by: Hazmat77 | November 17, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

While liberals commentary disparages the 'delay', does anyone with common sense really think that 9 months is obscenely long to debate overhauling 1/6th of our nation's economy?

Frankly, they should have taken longer...and it would have helped 'bipartisanship' if the Democrats would have invited the GOP to the table before Scott Brown forced them to.

"Republicans can come along for the ride, but they have to sit in the back." - Barack Obama

Sounds like Republicans were really the ones not playing nice, right?

Posted by: dbw1 | November 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

@jackieW:But, let me help you focus on reality, Obama was not and never did attempt to "compromise" with the public or the Republicans on health care.

Reality check--HCR was patterned after the 94 REPUBLICAN PLAN and the proposal put forth by the communist troika of Daschle, Dole, and Baker.

Individual mandate -- republican idea
health care exchanges -- rebpublican idea
no public option -- republican wish list

Those are the 3 biggest parts of hcr and all were supported BY REPUBLICANS EARLIER.


Obama and the dems made many more compromises to try to get republicans to support ideas they suggested as the republicans continued to move the goal posts farther to the "screw the uninsured" side of the field.

Obama's big mistake was trying to work with repubs at all after they made it clear in both words and actions that they were only interested in him failing, having a waterloo, make him a 1 term president, etc. These are things that repubs said out loud in front of cameras...

Its really funny how Obama comes in for this undeserved criticism, but not one word about Boehner's statement that Obama is trying to destroy "the best healthcare in the world." Funny how uninsured working americans can't afford the "best health care money can buy" and that repubs don't care and have no plans to improve that situation. Did you read the republican "plan". No numbers, no analysis, no substance, just like their "budget document" with no numbers in it...It would be laughable if they weren't about to control the house...

Posted by: srw3 | November 17, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

What Democrats don't want to admit is that the problem with the ACA is that they tried to cram so much progressive crap in a bill, and then sell it on just the few positive points that they thought would work with the public.

What would have been wrong with this approach...Democrats (and many GOP) believed it was wrong for companies to deny people ANY coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Great. Propose a bill that prohibits any company selling health insurance within the U.S. borders from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions. One bill down, one issue covered, proceed to the next issue.

The problem is Democrats tried to throw every pet-progressive idea in the original bill, load it up with sludge to buy what they though would be enough votes, and then tried to hurry it through within HOURS of when the first bill was printed. The American people rightly revolted, sensing that something being rammed through so quickly with no chance to read it couldn't be all good. Then came the August town halls, Tea Parties, Scott Brown...and the rest is history.

Keep blaming Republicans for all the Democrats failures, though...that strategy is real effective lately.

Posted by: dbw1 | November 17, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama stated he wasn't going to REST and FOCUS on the economy, but he lied and focus on Healthcare!

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NOVEMBER 23, 2009!!!!!

Obama talks jobs at Cabinet meeting

EXCERPTS:

"Our economy is growing for the first time in more than a year, and we know that economic growth is a prerequisite for job growth."

He asked his Cabinet to come up with good ideas for boosting job growth in advance of a Dec. 3rd jobs summit that will bring together representatives from non-profits, labor, academics, CEOs, small business owners and financial experts to discuss how to jump-start hiring, which is typically a lagging indicator.

"We don't want to wait," Obama said, referring to businesses hiring new workers. "We want to see if we can accelerate it and I'm confident that we're going to be able to do it because I've got as good of a Cabinet as I think any president has ever had."

"I will not rest until businesses are investing again and businesses are hiring again and people have work again," Obama said after meeting with his Cabinet.

Posted by: theaz | November 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm not one of the growing crowd that wants to throw President Obama under the bus. Facts bear out that the president and this Congress were one of the most productive in generations. And as unpalatable as it might have been, the GM and bank bailouts averted an economic catastrophe the likes of which few people alive today have experienced. Midterm election results notwithstanding, I remain convinced that President Obama is responsible for landmark, though not perfect, legislation tha will benefit the nation for generations to come. It was a breath of fresh air to see an elected official put the country's best interests ahead of his or his party's political power. But -- and this is a big but -- I find it depressing, if in fact it's true, that it took President Obama six to nine months to realize the Republicans never had any intention of meeting him halfway. Senator Demint's pronouncement that healthcare would be the president's Waterloo was sadly a commonly shared sentiment among the GOP leadership. It was always about stall, demonize and defeat.

Posted by: rukidding1 | November 17, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

srw3:
"Individual mandate -- republican idea
health care exchanges -- rebpublican idea
no public option -- republican wish list

Those are the 3 biggest parts of hcr and all were supported BY REPUBLICANS EARLIER."

I'll make you a deal. I assume you like soup. I'll also assume you like beef and vegetables. So, I'll make you some beef-vegetable soup....and just add a couple quarts of motor oil.

Sound good? What? No?! I don't get it...you like vegetables. You like beef. They're both in there, what's the problem?

In addition, I don't know what "republican" is cited as being the originator of the individual mandate, but just be clear there is a difference between it being a republican idea and being a conservative idea. That's not a conservative idea....

"repubs don't care and have no plans to improve that situation."

Ever heard of HSA's? Of course, to a liberal any idea that doesn't involve higher taxes and a new bureaucracy is no idea at all.

Posted by: dbw1 | November 17, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Want any cheese with that whine, Mr. President?

Posted by: joecct77 | November 17, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

@dbw1What would have been wrong with this approach...Democrats (and many GOP) believed it was wrong for companies to deny people ANY coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Great. Propose a bill that prohibits any company selling health insurance within the U.S. borders from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions.

Like most simple solutions, this falls flat on its face under the most cursory examination.

Without the individual mandate or some other mechanism to expand the risk pool dramatically, making coverage mandatory will force premiums to grow faster than they are now. Many (younger and healthier--the people needed in the system to keep premiums down) people would get insurance only after they got sick or injured. Without near universal coverage, pre-existing condition coverage would bankrupt insurers in a few years and/or make premiums so high only a few could afford them.

Health care is complex when you insist on:
-many private insurers participating
-people getting health care through work (and the tax advantages it brings to employers) instead of people purchasing it directly
-hospitals, doctors, and pharma trying to consume as much of the health care pie as they can get in their greedy mouths
-republicans simply trying to kill the legislation instead of working to make it better
-no public option to make insurers compete with a low cost, low overhead system. Right now, there is no competition in 90% of the insurance markets...

Posted by: srw3 | November 17, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It is true that in retrospect the GOP was not negotiating in good faith. They were just stringing the Dems along. Regardless, the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land now and Repubs no matter how much they threaten can't repeal it. It was a significan piece of accomplishment for the Obama Presidency and certainly the beginning of Universal Heathcare Coverage. There is no going back after this. Once people get used benefits, it is hard to take them away. It will get fine-tuned down the road just as every piece of major legislaltion is. Social Security also had to get fine-tuned and tweaked. So will the Affordable Care Act. 20 years from now, people will not care about the process that led to the passage of near-Universal Healthcare Coverage. Do people care about the process that led to the passage of Social Security today? No! But they love their Social Security, including the Tea Baggers. It will be the same with healthcare. Like I said earlier, once people get used to their benefits, it is hard to take them away. President Obama will be one of the most consequential presidents just as FDR was for passing SS.

Posted by: Munsen | November 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

rukidding1:
"Facts bear out that the president and this Congress were one of the most productive in generations."

Pretend you have two kids. One is reading a book in the corner, and hasn't moved a muscle in hours. The other is busy pounding dozens of holes in the drywall of your living with a hammer.

Would you praise the latter for being 'more productive'?

'More bills' does not equal 'more productive' if all those bills do as much long-term damage as any good they may accomplish.

Posted by: dbw1 | November 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

It is true that in retrospect the GOP was not negotiating in good faith. They were just stringing the Dems along. Regardless, the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land now and Repubs no matter how much they threaten can't repeal it. It was a significan piece of accomplishment for the Obama Presidency and certainly the beginning of Universal Heathcare Coverage. There is no going back after this. Once people get used benefits, it is hard to take them away. It will get fine-tuned down the road just as every piece of major legislaltion is. Social Security also had to get fine-tuned and tweaked. So will the Affordable Care Act. 20 years from now, people will not care about the process that led to the passage of near-Universal Healthcare Coverage. Do people care about the process that led to the passage of Social Security today? No! But they love their Social Security, including the Tea Baggers. It will be the same with healthcare. Like I said earlier, once people get used to their benefits, it is hard to take them away. President Obama will be one of the most consequential presidents just as FDR was for passing SS.

Posted by: Munsen | November 17, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Its interesting how some people actually think that Obama was actually interested in bipartisanship with the health care bill. Obama has no idea what bipartisanship is.

Posted by: profjoe | November 17, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting that some people actually think Obama was intersted in bipartisanship. It is obvious he doesn't even know what the word means.

Posted by: profjoe | November 17, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The fact that our a-hole president still thinks that the American people wanted his health care garbage only proves his disdain for the American people. He is so high on his horse that he still believes that the people want it, when 28 States are suing in court. He is so out of touch and definitely in his own world. Bills such as that take a long time to pass because they need to be reviewed, but in his mind, it was a political ploy? Give me a break Barry. Why not admit that Pelosi and Reid and all of you scum were just trying to make deals and get your so called, "landmark" legislation passed without the American people having a say. If your Democratic leaders would have listened to their constituents, my guess is the Federal Government wouldn't be getting sued by 28 states.

Posted by: Jsuf | November 17, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

srw3:
"-hospitals, doctors, and pharma trying to consume as much of the health care pie as they can get in their greedy mouths."

Do me a favor....look up the past 20-30 year trend in health insurance costs. Now, look up the same trend in college education costs. You (and I presume most liberals) will be shocked that the two are nearly identical.

Yet, interestingly enough I don't find many liberals/progressives venting about the greedy professors and adminstrators at these supposedly 'non-profit' institutions of higher learning.

I say liberals should have the courage of their convictions and propose -21% pay cuts for all those leftist professors they sat under during college, similar to the pay cuts they want to force on doctors seeing Medicare patients.

Let me know how that goes over with the professor crowd :o).

Posted by: dbw1 | November 17, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

@dbw: well what are the poison pill parts of the bill that make it so unpalatable? No examples....means no credibility. By your answer you are conceding that those are republican ideas.

Certainly republicans focused on the individual mandate as evil, even though they proposed it during the last hcr debate. It is the height of hypocrisy.

"In addition, I don't know what "republican" is cited as being the originator of the individual mandate, but just be clear there is a difference between it being a republican idea and being a conservative idea. "

Read it and weep.

"In fact, says Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, the individual mandate was originally a Republican idea. “It was invented by Mark Pauly to give to George Bush Sr. back in the day, as a competition to the employer mandate focus of the Democrats at the time.”…

“We called this responsible national health insurance,” says Pauly. “There was a kind of an ethical and moral support for the notion that people shouldn’t be allowed to free-ride on the charity of fellow citizens.”"

"The leading GOP alternative plan known as the 1994 Consumer Choice Health Security Act included the requirement to purchase insurance. Further, this proposal was based off of a 1990 Heritage Foundation proposal outlined a quality health system where “government would require, by law every head of household to acquire at least a basic health plan for his or her family.”"
http://dcprogressive.org/2010/03/08/history-republicans-supporting-mandate/ (see this is a link that supports my argument. You should try it sometime...)
I guess the heritage foundation, not to mention Dole, Baker and Daschle are just a bunch of socialists for proposing the indivudual mandate...

"Ever heard of HSA's? Of course, to a liberal any idea that doesn't involve higher taxes and a new bureaucracy is no idea at all."

Tax free saving accounts are great for PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAVINGS. Since many uninsured people are currently living paycheck to paycheck or unemployed, and families below the median income (~$50k) don't pay much income tax in any case creating a tax credit really only benefits those who have a significant income tax burden (ie republicans) and disposable income to put toward health care. If you can't afford health care, having a tax free way to not afford it is not a solution.

And HSAs do nothing to keep people out of medical bankruptcy (virtually unknown in other industrial democracies) when a truly major illness (cancer, traumatic brain injury, heart disease, etc.) comes around unless you have several hundred thousand dollars in your account, which means that you could afford health insurance in the first place...

You are mostly posting the same old, extremely tedious, republican talking points and seemingly displaying your vast ignorance of how health care currently functions in the US. Ever had a major medical event with no insurance? Didn't think so...

Posted by: srw3 | November 17, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama: GOP successfully outplayed us on health reform
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Sorry, but not GOP's fault!

And when did this revelation become evident?

So, here we go again! Stating the obvious.

Why? Why? Why?

Posted by: kishorgala | November 17, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is an embarrassing, snake in the grass, stab you in the back collection of miscreants. President Obama would be wise to knock it off with wanting bipartisanship because he's not going to get it from the GOP. They have repeatedly said they want him (President Obama) to fail, they don't want him to have a second term and they will fight him on any and every piece of legislation he tries to pass. The DEMs need to act just like the GOP and refuse any piece of legislation they try to pass.

It's truly a shame because as Americans we're supposed to receive a collection of hard working lawmakers that WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. Instead we get greedy, selfish, children who could care less about the people.

Other countries are laughing behind our backs because we can't take care of own people.

Posted by: carterm1 | November 17, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"Why? Why? Why?"

Cease and Desist Order
Our firm represents Nancy Kerrigan and you...oh, too lazy to finish, insert joke here.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm just wondering when the genius Dem strategy that won '08 and endeared the President to so many will appear again. These laments on what happened over the last two years and then behaving the same way looking for different results with the Republican party is just discouraging.

Posted by: denise4925 | November 17, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It is true that in retrospect the GOP was not negotiating in good faith. They were just stringing the Dems along. Regardless, the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land now and Repubs no matter how much they threaten can't repeal it. It was a significan piece of accomplishment for the Obama Presidency and certainly the beginning of Universal Heathcare Coverage. There is no going back after this. Once people get used benefits, it is hard to take them away. It will get fine-tuned down the road just as every piece of major legislaltion is. Social Security also had to get fine-tuned and tweaked. So will the Affordable Care Act. 20 years from now, people will not care about the process that led to the passage of near-Universal Healthcare Coverage. Do people care about the process that led to the passage of Social Security today? No! But they love their Social Security, including the Tea Baggers. It will be the same with healthcare. Like I said earlier, once people get used to their benefits, it is hard to take them away. President Obama will be one of the most consequential presidents just as FDR was for passing SS.

Posted by: Munsen | November 17, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

dbw1:
Your argument falls flat and here's why. Passing healthcare reform, financial regulation reform, and student financial aid reform is substantive by any historical measure. And mind you, these bills do not add a dime to the deficit, but instead will decrease the deficit. Most people agree that prohibiting insurance companies from denying coverage due to preexisting conditions is good policy. Most people agree that eliminating subsidies to banks that provide student loans is common-sense policy. Most people agree that setting new rules of the road for reckless financial and banking institutions is good policy. Throwing around soundbites can be fun, but they are nothing more than diversions designed to obscure the facts.

Posted by: rukidding1 | November 17, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Amazing really. Obama's been blamed for not being bi-partisan enough and too bi-partisan at the same time.

Posted by: faithfulservant3 | November 17, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

To garak:
On the second amendment: absolutely. I probably shouldn't laugh about the 'generosity' of our oaf in chief when he says that he's not going to take my Sharpes away, but I just can't help it. It's probably a character flaw of some kind that can only be seen at a thousand yards.

Posted by: jbksss | November 17, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

@Munsen: Actually it does matter how legislation is passed. I take offense to the politicians that decided that they knew what was best for America, without even asking the American people. Secondly, as it may be the law of the land, it still has to be funded by Congress, which will not happen. Obama can keep his "victory" but it will never be implemented. Thirdly, you might want to rethink using Social Security as an example of a fine piece of legislation. Have you looked at the books? Social Security is insolvent.......

Posted by: Jsuf | November 17, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama was not "foolish" to let Republicans play him. He was a full fledged to fool to believe anything otherwise.

"foolish" only applies to people in a limited context who are otherwise okay. But this guy seems to have not an ounce of fight in him, and he is obsessed with bipartisanship with snakes and jackals.

Posted by: kblgca | November 17, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's been blamed for not being [insert overdetermined adjective here] and too [insert overdetermined adjective here] at the same time."

Not amazing. It is the fate of the feckless executive.
Happens all the time, more often than not.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

President Obama is by far the most visionary president we have had since Kennedy/Johnson, or maybe even since FDR. However, he seems to ahve placed way way too much faith in the goodwill of republicon demagogues. He wrongly assumed that republicons elected to serve the people might actually try to serve the people rather than serve themselves, the hyper rich, and their party, and to hail with the people. As long as he learned this lessons fully and remebers it until he is reelcted with a swing back to sanity in the House in 2012 we may yet survive 2 years of a do-nothing republicon led congress.

Posted by: John1263 | November 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

MY GOD


Does OweBama EVER make a mistake?

Is it ALWAYS someone else's fault?

God, he is annoying!

Posted by: russpoter | November 17, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

no they didn't,you jug eared red ass baboon. They were defending America from your communism.

Posted by: carlbatey | November 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually the poll numnbers are still about evenly divided on health insurance reform law, and most of the people who say they oppose it do so for one of two reasons - one is they cite fiction peddled by republicons, and the rest who are opposed think it did not go far enough.

republicons announced in late January 2009 that their number one strategy was to obstruct. They outlined it in public meetings. Not a secret. President bama and the Democrats should have realized after the senate committee spent months on this only to have all 6 republicons who wrote the senate bill vote no in committee to the bill they had written themselves that the gop was not negotiating in good faith and would say no to everything.

President obama had a full day televised meeting with gop leaders. eric scumdog cantor offered some ideas that President Obama said were good ideas. The next day when the President urged putting them in the bill eiric lying sack of d ung cantor came out and said what terrible ideas they were. His own ideas that he proposed on televisions te day before.

Vermin who put short term political gain over the good of the nation. They serve only the 2% at the very top and use you teahadi rubes as the giant suckers you are because 2% is not enough to win elections.

Posted by: John1263 | November 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

"I was an Obama supporter, but if he is just realizing what MILLIONS of us have known for a long time, he's a damn fool and doesn't deserve a second term. It took him halfway through his term to realize that the opposition wants his job, nothing else? Come on Obama, wake the hell up!!! Fire your team and get people in there with some cajones!!!"
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ABMWWBSHI2012EITAISP!: Couldn't agree more! I read it in article after article in this very newspaper, heard it on "The Daily Show" and Colbert, and somehow the Commander-in-Chief missed it??!!

Candidate Obama ran on a certain platform and made certain promises - the Republicans stated firmly that "healthcare would be Obamas' Waterloo". And the President gave up the Public Option, agreed that Single Payer would be "off the table", did not support Medicare over 55; instead he repeatedly modified his positions for Republican support - which he didn't get! Sorry, why give up an advantage for nothing? What was he thinking?

Left to their own devices, Congress would have blathered and nattered for months, then found a reason to table the subject - meanwhile raking in "lobbyist campaign contributions". Candidate Obama had a mandate for change - the people wanted RESULTS - they received nothing close to what they expected, so they tossed some bums out. They will continue to toss bums out (I hope) until the remaining bums get the message that radical change is required - no excuses accepted.

Posted by: shadowmagician | November 17, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"Why? Why? Why?"

Cease and Desist Order
Our firm represents Nancy Kerrigan and you...oh, too lazy to finish, insert joke here.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 5:32 PM
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More correctly, that was "Why Me, Why Me?" by Nancy Kerrigan.

And that was a knee-jerker. Or rather a knee-breaker.

Outplaying, breaking a knee, all the same.

Posted by: kishorgala | November 17, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Just goes to show how inempt Obama is, not to mention how far he is in over his head! He rightly deserves blame for not changing washington because that was his campaign promise. But as much as Republicans played the game, so did he. He held back room meetings and made secret deals with labor unions.

So in the end I think what you have is a president who isn't strong enough to deliver on his agenda.

And we are suprised that he failed overseas!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | November 17, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

60-40 legislative advantage and YOU got snookered?

That's such a dumb statement that WaPo should not publish it.

Posted by: grunk | November 17, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic. And the White House wonders why people on the left (like me) are frustrated? From Day One, we were screaming that these attempts to forge a bi-partisan compromise were leading down the path to disaster. We also told you, even before the 2008 election, that "post-partisanship" is a fantasy. D'oh!

Posted by: fugitivenyc | November 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess we can say it was a great con job, yet Obama is still kissing their -ss. It's a political war that the democrats can't seem to understand. The word now is Obama might be giving in on the tax cuts to the rich, mm mm, I see a one term president. He keeps on looking for bipartisan work while the GOP keeps on sticking it to him. In the meantime Obama stands there looking dazed, confused, afraid to show anger. We all know you should never trust your enemies, did you hear that Obama.

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | November 17, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

To follow up on my comment at 2:45 that progressives are living in serious denial, I just ran across this quote explaining why the Republicans targetted Pelosi so hard this election cycle.

"The reason they went after her is because she is so strong," said Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.).

Riiiiight. Dude, you need to check your meds again. The Republicans went after her because she was about as popular as ObL with swing voters except not as cuddly.


Posted by: anon99 | November 17, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

My how we all behave here. The truth is that the American people are very much warming up to the Health Care Reform Act. As more of the provisions come on line, it's support will continue to grow. And you know what? Nothing Sarah or Boner say will change that. Nobody said HC would get cheaper, it won't happen as long as people use it. Supply and Demand, sound familiar to you "Do nothing but say NO" republicans? This legislation stops the Insurance industry from denying your coverage even if you are fortunate enough to have paid for it. If you want it cheaper, HSA's are great, but if you need it maybe they aren't. In any case, support for this law is growing, the only one's that will be complaining are the one's who pass thier health bills onto others by not having insurance and not paying thier bills. Businesses will make a profit and should. The costs are shared by those that use it insurance or not. It is allready a socialist system, now we have rules that require our coverage continues regardless of business decisions by the powerful.

Posted by: justanotherguy1 | November 17, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

This would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Obama realizes that chanting, "We inherited this mess from the Republicans" doesn't work any more.

That means it's time to change the tune. "We haven't been able to get out of this mess because the Republicans distracted us. Oh, look! A squirrel!"

This just two weeks after the election, when he promised more bipartisanship. It's clear he was just blowing smoke at you.

But if you have two or more IQ points to rub together (and some Democrats do), you knew that as soon as the words left his mouth, didn't you?

Posted by: gilbertbp | November 17, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Nancy and Harry's compromise technique:

Dems To Republicans: we want to be bi-partisan and are willing to compromise.

Republicans to Dems: Here is 4 ideas.

Dems to Republicans: Idea 1 is no go, Idea 2 is no go, We wont have anything to do with Idea 3, and Idea 4 is rotten, you bunch of Nazis. But, we want to be bi-partisan and are willing to Compromise.

Dems to the News: Republicans won't play at being bi-partisan and will not compromise so we created a bad bill, that everyone is un-happy with.

News to Dems: But, you had 60 Seats in the Senate, a 40+ vote lead in the house and the White House, and you overrode anything the Republicans suggested, how is it the Republicans fault.

Dems to News: Yeah it's the Republicans fault for slowing the process, thus we created an horrible bill that no one wants. We tried to get the public to believe it was a good bill, but, apparently a bunch of the public are smarter than what we thought. What we can't understand is how come the public doesn't see how wonderful we are.


Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama admits that the Republicans out smarted him and his democrat leadership goons. Well we all knew that.

What Barry didn't understand is that a good share of the public was smarter than him and his leaderless goons as well.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

OK, Obama understands the game in hindsight. The negative on him in 2008 was inexperience. Now the issue is can he put this knowledge to use prospectively in dealing with the new Congress?

Posted by: cassandra9 | November 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

My how we all behave here. The truth is that the American people are very much warming up to the Health Care Reform Act.
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Keep spinning the false garbage. The fact is the H.C. Scam has remained unpopular since it was inacted. Rasmussen polls show it running from between 53 - 62 % who want it repealed throughout the spring, summer and fall.

The latest poll showed 58% wants it repealed, taken right after the election, that is up from the previous week of 53%.

Spin the stories, tell the lies of your wonderfullness bill, but, the facts remain the same. The H.C. Insurance Scam is a wolf in sheeps clothing just waiting for 2013 to bite with it's teeth.


Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the headline to this post is redundant. Unless you can tell everyone how you can UNSUCCESSFULLY outplay someone.

Note to copy editors (if there are still any employed at the Post): The word "successfully" is almost ALWAYS redundant.

Posted by: gilbertbp | November 17, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama had plenty of time to pass this junk bill. The truth of it is we were sold a bill of lies by the ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and the list goes on. This man was Smarter than SMART, the great orator until he has no teleprompter, Chris Mathews tingle up his leg must feel like Freddie Krugers fingers right about now. I Will not be FOOLED AGAIN.

Posted by: uranidiot1 | November 17, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

fugitivenyc, yes that is correct, that is what happened.

"From Day One, we were screaming that these attempts to forge a bi-partisan compromise were leading down the path to disaster."

cassandra, "Now the issue is can he put this knowledge to use"

These two summed it up. We don't need any more analysis. Obama can learn or not.


Posted by: shrink2 | November 17, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

rukidding1:
"And mind you, these bills do not add a dime to the deficit, but instead will decrease the deficit."

Speaking of 'throwing around sound bites', you do understand that the health reform has gone from a claim last April of 'reducing deficits', to now a reality that it will add to the deficit (which, of course, all conservatives and anyone with common-sense were predicting).

I've posted the math many times around these WaPo boards of the 'whoops, our estimate in March was too low' corrections that have come out since the bill was passed at the end of March. And that's still not including the realiting of the costs that will skyrocket when the expensive parts of this legislation really get going in a few years.

With any luck, though, we won't have to worry about it...after the GOP defunds the ACA and leaves it withering on the vine....

Posted by: dbw1 | November 17, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

When the polls focus on the specifics the tale changes dramatically, broaden your horizons and get out of that tunnel your looking through. Perhaps you can get Christine to cast a spell and bring your hopes to fruition, but alas you will fail. The law is here to stay, and for very good reasons.

Perhaps you should move on before Obama uses his new found lessons against you. Do you know how to count to 8? That's 4 + 4!

Posted by: justanotherguy1 | November 17, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

The majority of Americans didn't want it. Democrats still tried to ram it past voters who told Obama no on countless occasions. How many times do you have to tell Democrats NO? Today the village idiot still doesn't get it. Blaming Republicans won't work. Two years left and we will show him once again what we think about Obamacare.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | November 17, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

OK, Obama understands the game in hindsight. The negative on him in 2008 was inexperience. Now the issue is can he put this knowledge to use prospectively in dealing with the new Congress?
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It is not his understanding of the Republicans that failed, it was his mis-understanding of the public masses that was wrong. He and his minions thought the 2008 election was a directive for his far left agenda.

It wasn't.

It was a change request. And the Change request was for openness not back doors, more individual liberty, not more oppression, and for hope, not crushing our futures with debt.

1. Main desire stimulate the economy - his policies failed.

2. Important was a bi-partisan H.C. Plan - his policies were to block the Republicans out and force his agenda. - he failed to provide a public option, failed to keep his word of no mandate.

3. International issues:
Build trade - his policies failed.
Bring Troops Home right away - More troops in AFG. and 50,000 still in Iraq. - he has failed his promise. Approximately the same number of troops dieing monthly than before he took office.

The Republicans didn't have to do anything, he did the damage himself. He just won't admit, but, I bet 62+ democrats that won't be in office next year will.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I noticed this hasn't been mentioned by anyone yet, but whatever happened to tort reform and fee caps for lawyers. I remember the era of the mega award starting nearly 30 years ago just around the same time as the spiraling health care costs. how come that wasn't addressed in this bill. I keep reading through it but don't find anything about that. Since lawyers are keep a goodly percentage of any award given to a patient when a doctor, hospital or pharmaceutical entity is sued why isn't there any mention about the greedy grasping lawyers and what is being done to contain them?

Posted by: yourwithoutaclue | November 17, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

srw3:
"Tax free saving accounts are great for PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAVINGS. ... creating a tax credit really only benefits those who have a significant income tax burden
You are mostly posting the same old, extremely tedious, republican talking points and seemingly displaying your vast ignorance of how health care currently functions."

Always find it humorous when one of the liberals on these boards accuses a conservative of being ignorant...and then proceeds to put their own ignorance on full display.

You do understand that you don't have to be 'rich' to benefit from the tax advantages of HSA's, right? HSA's are proving to be one of the most effective tools for controlling costs, BECAUSE they make people get more involved in learning about their health care, how much it costs, which treatments or necessary and which are not, etc. I encourage you to read any of the numerous studies done by various insurers and nonpartisan groups that show the effectiveness of HSA's (particularly with prescriptions, which is why the evil 'big pharma' you cited earlier doesn't like HSA's much).

And even if you make 'less than $50k', you can still get tax refunds for utilizing HSA's (meaning, not only will you have a $0 tax bill, but the government will actually transfer weal....errrrr, you'll get a 'refund').

Trust me, I understand there are real needs...but there is a vast swath of the populace who CAN afford health insurance, but does not prioritize it. Buying a bigger house, a 2nd or 3rd car, taking vacations, loading up the cable package, etc, all take priority over providing for their own health insurance...and then they expect someone else to pay it for them.

Posted by: dbw1 | November 17, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The Latest of the Get rich plans was implemented this spring in the Health Care Insurance scam that was passed by Barry, Harry, and Nancy.

Now, in 2013 the IRS will toss more unemployed and lower class citizens out of their homes enforcing the new mandate.

The average family of 4 will have to pay $15,600.00 a year in H.C. coverage. The Federal Government will pay 60% of that bill(In other words the taxpayers).

So, the family will still have a new bill of $6240 they will have to come up with out of their own pockets.

They will not be able to do that. So, the IRS will inflict the $750.00 dollar per person charge at tax time.

This will hit the family with an added 3000.00 dollars a year in taxes that must be paid by law.

Since they will not be able to pay the IRS will place leans on their property, including 10% interest and additional fines.

First their car will go, then their homes.

It will all be done illegally.

The wealthy will get these properties for pennies on the dollar, refurbish them and resale them.

More homeless are coming soon, starting in 2013. Also, since there will still be large numbers of unemployed, and those that are not employable they too, will lose their homes, and what little property they have left.

Barry's new mandated tax is a dragon in sheep's clothing, and it will soon strike, and destroy families, 2013, comes sooner than you think.

Also, remember, since the H.C. Insurance scam places no controls on Insurance companies, and what they can charge, any pre-existing policies will skyrocket, and regular policies jump, and those with pre-existing conditions will be forced to pay them or lose all of their homes.

What a sweet deal for Big Insurance, and the wealthy, and just think, the tax payer will pay for it all.

We will pay the 60% Federal part in taxes.
We will pay the 40% Individual part in homelessness. And remember policies can be raised as high as Big Insurance wants to.

What a sweet deal, to rob the middle-lower class and the poor, in favor of the wealthy, and it was all done legally through Barry, Harry and Nancy's steamroll this spring.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: priceisright Put on your thinking cap, the Congressional committees that all legislation passes through has D and R Reps and Senators. No Voice.... False

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ROFLMAO! You ARE clueless as to how the Senate works. Go work with a senator for a while then crawl back here.

Posted by: illogicbuster | November 17, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Forcing people to buy from Insurance companies, simply because the people are breathing, something they can't afford and don't want is nothing more than an insurance scam.

If you DEMs would of given us true socialized health care, I wouldn't of been happy, but I would of kept quite.

But, you didn't. Your insurance scam only made things worse.

Now, the insurance companies can force unemployed and lower income people to buy their insurance policies, at whatever price they wish, or they will take the people's property, homes, etc., and now the insurance companies have the government to enforce it.

They Now have Judges, Law Enforcement, FBI, IRS, to enforce their scam.

How can that be called anything other than a SCAM!!!

And don't cry to me about existing conditions, we have been doing existing conditions on medicare since the 60's, the answer was already available for that issue.

But, instead of offering those to join medicare, you used the complaint to force everyone on an insurance scam.

Almost everyone on medicare has pre-existing conditions.

So the DEM congress robbed medicare and forced everyone onto an Insurance scam.

And now the insurance companies have to take pre-existing conditions but can charge any price they want to for it.

What a scam, force to by at any price the seller wants to charge.

Posted by: jacquelynwoods | November 17, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

dbw1
I have to admit I agree, HSA's provide a nice alternative. I actually use one now. The cost of health plans has made them too attractive to ignore. It doesn't require hundreds of thousands of dollars, just be smart and continue to put the same dollars into the account and pray for your usual good health. With luck and good habits it pays.

Posted by: justanotherguy1 | November 17, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Trying to successfully bribe Republicans to vote for the healthcare bill isn't being gamed, it's being stupid.

He had no interest in bipartisan anything at anytime. It was very clear to the public that he wanted what he wanted, but didn't have the cojones to use the supermajority to completely ram that thing through in a matter of weeks, which was entirely in his pervue.

Instead he wasted time trying to sucker Reps into voting for that bastage of a bill, while literally locking others out of meetings, and when it didn't work, THEN he rammed it through.

He isnt' a victim, although he constantly invokes that. What he is, is inept.

And the media is still like a moonstruck girlfriend, desperately trying to mold her unacceptable boyfriend into what she wants him to be.

It's all actually at the point of being sort of pathetic.

Posted by: Geepers1 | November 17, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Outplayed by the GOP... the minority controlled what could pass or not pass? What a joke. Obama is outplaying himself with the constant victim cards. How can anyone defend this despicable administration?

Posted by: StevieQ | November 17, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

jacquelynwoods

Get out of that tunnel and read the particulars, this bill does regulate the insurance industry heavily starting next year. They will not be able to jack up rates, they will need to keep administrative costs down to 15 percent. Perhaps you are stealing some of Rush's oxycotin and are just in a stupor.

Posted by: justanotherguy1 | November 17, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

As a Democrat, surely President Obama knows when he is being played?

So, stop with the BS, President Obama and play the game and play to win.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | November 17, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

It was foolish to think that Republicans cared about anything but their own political self-interest. They want the country to fail. They want people to suffer, so they can take advantage of it. Obama was a fool to expect anything else from them. They have only ever had one goal, to game the system and take from it. To hell with the rest of us.

Posted by: DaveHarris | November 17, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has already moved on. Time to let it go already.

Posted by: moebius22 | November 17, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama, you didn't figure it out until just NOW?

What a chump!

Posted by: theaz | November 17, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

If Obama were so perfect, if his healthscare scam was great, if he actually listened to Americans, the dems would not have lost so severly on Nov 2. The whole country was painted red - the republicans won historically - governors, legislatures and congress. If all senators had been up for re election. the senate would now be republican.

All this has been lost on Obama, Pelosi and Reid. They will continue to kow-tow to union bosses, big business like GE and BP, Wall St and George Soros. It will be the further un doing of the dem party.

Still, they are not listening. Taking xrays of people and groping them in airports is not making friends for Obama and his administration.

Obama and his crew are a total failure.

Posted by: annnort | November 17, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I've known since Bush's tax cuts that the Republicans have been gaming the system. And they will do so as long as they have any voice to do so. But not to be too one sided, the truthj is: there are enough Democrats that are also playing the Hill for all it's worth that it doesn't matter. They could've used the same reconciliation to: turn off the Bush tax cuts at any time and forced the wealthy ot pay a decent tax on the obscene bonuses that they received; push a single payer tax bill through Cngress; and rammed a jobs bill down the Republicans throat. But they didn't. It is the People that have been outplayed. The Democrats ran on, "Yes, we can" but the truth is, "But we won't." And of course the Republicans won't, either.

Posted by: glenglish | November 17, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Who's playing who here now. The Republicans had no power. The Democrats had all the power. They didn't need the Republicans at all. Obama and the Democrats are the victims here? Who in the world is going to believe that. Who remembers the tone before the elections. We won, we have the power. Isn't that what Obama said all the time. I'm not going to listen to failed theories of the Republicans. That's what Obama said. After Obama met with the Republicans after Brown won the election, Obama said don't expect any meetings of this sort to take place again. Health care was Obama's baby and the Democrats helped Obama forced it down the throats of the American people. Who thinks we would be hearing how the GOP successfully outplayed Obama and the Democrats if the Democrats had not lost the elections. Obama outplayed himself. He was running so fast to put so much on his plate, Obama thought by the end of the year, our fundamentals, our values, and principles would be changed to socialism. Obama thought by hurrying the Democrats and shutting out the Republicans, the people would have a sense of hopelessness and learn to accept his social justice agenda. How many times have we heard I'm moving forward by Obama.

Posted by: houstonian | November 17, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

6 to 9 months spent on healthcare while Americans for having town hall meetings saying NO to healthcare and asking what the heck was being done about jobs in this country.
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Town hall meetings organized by - wait for it - Freedomworks! the GOP lobbing group. Who also set the agenda and provided the fearmongering speakers.

It wasn't just Obama that got played. It boggles the mind that so many know-nothing fuax conservatives were not only sold a bowl of BS by the Koch brothers, Murdoch, and the other republican media hyper-elite - but even when the truth is obvious they deny it, and submissively say "thank you sirs may I have another!"

Posted by: rapchat1 | November 17, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

So the GOP took Obama's mind off the economy by dragging out the health care process? Really? Were Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, Bart Stupak and Luis Gutierrez playing Obama when they dragged out the process? Did the dog eat the homework here?

Posted by: 4Redskins | November 17, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

He just figured that out? Soros may be right.

Posted by: BBear1 | November 17, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes they did. Republicans started a 2 year campaign to regain power 11 days before Obama was inaugurated:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/us/politics/04campaign.html?_r=1&scp=33&sq=two%20year%20campaign&st=cse

This included the ''no'' imperative, aggressive use of social media, and ambushing Democratic members of Congress on video at town hall meetings and on the street.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25646.html

This was helped along by the focus groups of Frank Luntz (''government takeover of health care'') and many professional Republican organizations like Freedom Works:

http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/bstein80/how-to-organize-your-own-%E2%80%9Ctea-party%E2%80%9D-protest

Oh, and January 9, 2009 was also the date that CBO said the FY 2009 deficit would be $1.3 trillion, given TARP, the Fannie/Freddie bail outs, and tripling of unemployment comp that popped up in the last half of GWB's last year in office.

The Kafke-esque elements haunt: the public wants cooperation, but doesn't expect it. Obama keeps trying, but should know better. The Republicans are remorseless in their quest for power, but have nothing to say when they have it.

Posted by: Clear_Eye | November 17, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

American Taxpayer:

"Obama played US on health care reform".


Real reform would have addressed health care costs, and not just have been a way to redistribute health care to 20 million people who didn't have it.

Posted by: Benson | November 17, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Snookered by the GOP? You think?

Posted by: m_richert | November 17, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I shudder to think what our foriegn rivals could do.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | November 17, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

So Obama's failures regarding health care reform are because of the Republicans?

That's rich.

Posted by: Benson | November 17, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is such a joke. The Repubicans knew that the American people DID NOT WANT Obamacare, and they did all they could to stop it. Although the Republicans weren't able to hold the line in the end, the American people spoke on November 2. The Democrats still don't get it. Well, they should enjoy their last couple of years in Congress. They'll soon be history!

Posted by: georges2 | November 17, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

President Obama, with all good intentions, failed to realize that his unending quest for bipartisanship was just being used against him by obstructionist Republicans. I want to see the Repubs try to repeal healthcare. And I also want to see what they plan on cutting to reduce spending. Think their lobbyists and BigOil, Big Agra, and BigPharma will suffer? I'm not holding my breath. Hopefully the President will realize that nothing will get done if he doesn't stick it to Democratic principles to return power to the middle class.

Posted by: roci1 | November 17, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

It seems that Obama is under a trust crisis,his plans for recovering the economy are for short-time purpose,not a long-time eye-sight. Actually one policy will have two-faced effects,good or bad,positive or negative. Anything happens after the policy are made not to be under control, it depends on the market. It is not his fault. God bless Obama and the US.

Posted by: Sandersxisu | November 17, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Duh!! Obama just figured out that the GOP was playing him? Maybe he's not a asmart as I thought. He should watch MSNBC and stop sucking up to the people who hate him, have always hated him and always will. I don't know why that is so hard to figure out.

Posted by: PepperDr | November 17, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

First, it was the intent from day one when Obama won the election and the Democrats retain control of the legislative branch because they knew that their power lies in the Senate which allows minority to use every rules in the book to slow down the process along with sound bites from Frank Luntz(the $3M man according to Times) and the rest of the conservative movement across the TV, radio and blogger spectrum.

They should have reform the filibuster rule at that point but didn't.

Secondly Obama read too much into the public's desire to be bipartisan which the GOP took advantage to slow down the process because they never intended to work with him. Even the GOP admits that they have credibility problems(Mike Pence).

Even after the mid-term election, public still demands bipartisanship knowing full well they won't get it from the GOP. All you will get the same thing happened for the last two years and that's coming from Mitch McConnell, John Boehner and Eric Cantor all fresh from the electoral victory.

He should have provided a blue print for the health care but decided to leave that to Congress to do all the work.

I warned him two years ago that he will get himself into trouble and offered to help.

Posted by: beeker25 | November 17, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama blames the GOP again. He is completely unable to accept responsibility for his own botched strategies. Perhaps the GOP was, unlike the President, listening to the majority of the public who hit the streets to protest the passage of the health care bill which had no public hearings and no transparency. The only thing that took time for the passage of the health care bill was the time it took Reid to bribe the Democrats in the Senate.

Posted by: mlbduffy | November 17, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

The real culprit is Tom Daschle. He was supposed to take on all of health reform from a position as a White House Czar and the Secretary HHS and with his connections with the Hill. Instead, he took months to remove himself from his announced appointments after his horrible, self inflicted tax issues came to public notice. He and his ego cost the Democrats not only months of momentum, but a great deal of embarrassment, allowing the Republicans to do what they did. All the good will that the public had after the election was lost as well. And Daschle's minions are still in HHS and even as acting Chief of Staff for the President and elsewhere. Worse even, the Post continues to depict him as some sort of diety for Democrats to continue to respect. Sad, so very sad.

Posted by: nibbler | November 17, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

The real culprit is Tom Daschle. He was supposed to take on all of health reform from a position as a White House Czar and the Secretary HHS and with his connections with the Hill. Instead, he took months to remove himself from his announced appointments after his horrible, self inflicted tax issues came to public notice. He and his ego cost the Democrats not only months of momentum, but a great deal of embarrassment, allowing the Republicans to do what they did. All the good will that the public had after the election was lost as well. And Daschle's minions are still in HHS and even as acting Chief of Staff for the President and elsewhere. Worse even, the Post continues to depict him as some sort of diety for Democrats to continue to respect. Sad, so very sad.

Posted by: nibbler | November 17, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about process will soon be forgotten but the ACA will remain the law of the land. Obama succeeded in passing and signing a near-universal healthcare reform that eluded 7 Presidents before him! Yes he succeeded! Yes the law passed and it will not be repealed no matter what the Republicans say. And yes Obama succeeded where the Clintons failed. He at least has something to show for it. Clinton failed to pass healthcare reform in '94 and the Democrats got slaughtered in the mid-terms. Obama passed healthcare reform and the Democrats got slaughtered in the mid-terms. Which would you rather have? At least Obama has something to show for it. He has succeeded where 7 other Presidents failed before him. That's the truth!

Posted by: Munsen | November 18, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

With mortgage rates at all-time lows, now may be a great time to refinance -- if you meet new stringent criteria. Search online for "123 Mortgage Refinance" they got me the 3.21% rate even with my not so good credit history.

Posted by: davismiller123 | November 18, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

And so what if Democrats lost their majority in the House! Majorities come and go but the Affordable Care Act will remain on the books and will continue to be the law of the land! It was for a good cause, in my view. For such an inexperienced President, Obama really has major legislative accomplishments to his name doesn't he? Healthcare reform and financial reform alone will cement his legacy as one of the most consequential presidents we have had. That's what most people don't understand about Obama. He see much farther than any of you can.

Posted by: Munsen | November 18, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

And so what if Democrats lost their majority in the House! Majorities come and go but the Affordable Care Act will remain on the books and will continue to be the law of the land! It was for a good cause, in my view. For such an inexperienced President, Obama really has major legislative accomplishments to his name doesn't he? Healthcare reform and financial reform alone will cement his legacy as one of the most consequential presidents we have had. That's what most people don't understand about Obama. He see much farther than any of you can.

Posted by: Munsen | November 18, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Americans are the ones that got snookered and here we go again. This time it is not just Obama but his whole party that got snookered.

Well I guess you are all so stupid that you should ALL be voted out. You are not smart enough to represent all of us Un-American Evil Mongers are you?

Who knows? One day Obama may grow up and say. Hey, I screwed up

Posted by: ieklein | November 18, 2010 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, is isn't that they didn't announce their entire legislative plan to America, simply to block, delay, and derail all legislation for the first two years. This is all they had, no plans, no solutions, no answers. This is why they earned their name, "The Party of NO!" Why Obama wasted so much time attempting to work with the GOP escapes me.

His second error was not informing the American Public how serious our economic situation really was, and calling the individual GOP members out on their obstructive tactics. This past election could have turned out completely differently had Obama become the "Great Informer".

Posted by: atc333 | November 18, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow, never thought about it like that before.

www.privacy-tools.edu.tc

Posted by: clermontpc | November 18, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Ex-Congressman Wayne Gilchrest, tells it how it is:

http://www.chestertownspy.com/spy-news-wayne-gilchrest-taking-stock/

Its not that long. but if you want the most relevant portion, shoot to the 2:18 mark, and let it run to the 4:02 mark.

Posted by: trident420 | November 18, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats outplayed themselves on health care, Obama is entitled to his opinion and obviously wants to put the blame on others.

The only reason it went through at all is because reconciliation was used. There weren't enough Democrats that even supported it to use the normal process.

The reason for the delay was the progressive Democrats had to much control of the process and the moderate and blue dog Democrats were not on board with the bill the progressive Democrats wrote. The progressive Democrats wouldn't give an inch to even their own party. Notice how that worked out in the 2010 elections.

Posted by: win1 | November 18, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

It is saddening that the GOP has been able to successfully campaign on the system being broken while simultaneously breaking it.

Posted by: jdf15 | November 18, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

It is saddening that the GOP has been able to successfully campaign on the system being broken while simultaneously breaking it.

Posted by: jdf15 | November 18, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

It is saddening that the GOP has been able to successfully campaign on the system being broken while simultaneously breaking it.

Posted by: jdf15 | November 18, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

It is saddening that the GOP has been able to successfully campaign on the system being broken while simultaneously breaking it.

Posted by: jdf15 | November 18, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

...also saddening that my comment appeared three times instead of one.

Posted by: jdf15 | November 18, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm wondering what planet Greg was on when this was all happening. There was no bipartisan effort--Am I the only one who remember the "I won" comment by the President?

The bickering was entirely among 60 Democrats, who had the numbers to pass the legislation at anytime. The problem, as reasonably well-informed Americans were able to see, was that many Democrats were scared to death of the legislation, and with good reason. The polls were all wrong on the issue, the union exemptions, Louisana purchase, Kansas kickback and other tactics only served to demonstrate not just the Democrats complete disarray, but the damn-the-torpedoes agenda. Well before things got to this point, Bill Clinton pulled the plug.

Sargent was either doing a little too much weed in the past couple of years or he's an active participant in the Democrats need to reassure their base that what happened, didn't actually happen.

Posted by: MickStockinger | November 18, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Check out this article from Canada:

http://www.allvoices.com/s/event-7250599/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5zZW5pb3JsaXZpbmdtYWcuY29tL2FydGljbGVzL2FtZXJpY2EtaGVzLXlvdXItcHJlc2lkZW50LWZvci1nb29kbmVzcy1zYWtl

Posted by: robinblount | November 18, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama's political brilliance is a myth. Anyone, I mean anyone, that the Democrats nominated in 2008 would have beaten the weak GOP ticket, especially with a failed Bush administrations economic catastrophe and two failed wars to run against.

The political stupidity of the Obama administration was obvious to everyone except the Obama apologists.

They kept insisting that his appeasing and repeated policy capitulations, in the name of his fantasy of becoming some great national healer instead of a president who fought for the people who elected him, were all part of some brilliant, secret political strategy.

There was no brilliant strategy. His political incompetence was just what it appeared to be.

He should do the world a favor and retire in 2012 to allow a Democrat with a spine to run.

Posted by: toc59 | November 19, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

As the elections near, the real game starts. If the government can explain the advantages with substanial proof and also explain why they think the reform is good inspite of few cons that opposition is standing for, they should be good to implement whatever they want. If they cannot out do the points put forth by opposition, it is not fair to play politics and this applies for all concerned.

James John
SDD Global Medical Billing Division
http://www.sddglobal.com/medical_billing.htm

Posted by: jameg | November 21, 2010 4:30 AM | Report abuse

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