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Orrin Hatch, on whether he sees wiggle room on Bush tax cuts: "No, I don't."

Let's play compare and contrast. Here's President Obama's response at the presser today when asked if he's willing to compromise in the coming showdown over the Bush tax cuts:

THE PRESIDENT: My goal is to sit down with Speaker-elect Boehner and Mitch McConnell and Harry and Nancy sometime in the next few weeks and see where we can move forward in a way that, first of all, does no harm; that extends those tax cuts that are very important for middle-class families; also extends those provisions that are important to encourage businesses to invest, and provide businesses some certainty over the next year or two.

And how that negotiation works itself out I think is too early to say. But this is going to be one of my top priorities, and my hope is, is that given we all have an interest in growing the economy and encouraging job growth, that we're not going to play brinksmanship but instead we're going to act responsibly.

QUESTION: So you're willing to negotiate?

THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely.

And here's how Orrin Hatch responded when asked on MSNBC about the President's comments:

QUESTION: The President appeared by all accounts to be ready to make concessions when it comes to the Bush tax cuts. You will likely lead Republican Senators on the Finance Committee. Do you see wiggle room when it comes to tax cuts?

HATCH: No, I don't. They're not really tax cuts. They want to increase taxes. We already have the tax relief. We want to keep the tax relief. And I think, you know, most people agree that the best thing to do is to just put it over for about two years, maybe into the next election, past the next election and then let's see where we go from there.

It's a sign that Republicans like Hatch believe Obama was so weakened by last night's results that the burden of compromise will be entirely on him. No need for Hatch to even pretend to have any interest in finding common ground. We're off to a great start! Video of Hatch below:


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And people wonder why we have economic problems in this country? Just look at the Republican Party.

It isn't hard to figure out that "tax cuts for the rich" alone is not even remotely close to a coherent comprehensive economic agenda.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 3, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Hatch is the one finding the common ground.

On the one hand you've got "let's make them all permanent" and on the other you've got "let's let some of them expire."

Hatch seems to be saying "let's extend them all temporarily." That's a compromise from "make them all permanent" - which is what the GOP really wants to do.

Posted by: sbj3 | November 3, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

OT - Repost from prior thread:

Obama, and the Dems, challenge, imo, will be to create and push a coherent message for the next two years. Sounds easy? Well it is, for Republicans. I'm no fan of the GOP, but they do have message discipline.

The Democrats, however, have never had message discipline. Need I quote Will Rogers?

So here are a few things I think the Democrats should attempt:

The first thing Democrats in Congress need to do is change the rules for Democrats in Congress. The party leadership should grant itself the same powers that the Republicans give themselves. e.g. - You go against us we will yank your committee chairmanship, etc. It is much easier to enforce discipline when you have leverage.

The second thing they need to do is a SWOT analysis (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats). They need to keep in mind that it is best to play into a preexisting narrative than it is to create a narrative from scratch.

The third thing they need to do is attack the Republicans where they are strong and turn their assets into liabilities. For instance for some reason the GOP is considered strong on defense (even though the foreign wars brought on by GOP adventurism has seriously weakened our military), fiscally conservative (even though the GOP's economic policies are less than good for the country) and morally superior (that one makes me laugh.)

The fourth thing they need to do is what the GOP did to the word "liberal." For what, 40 years?, the GOPers have been turning the word "liberal" into a curse word; the Democrats should do the same thing to the word "conservative." Make it an insult! Every time I hear some lunkhead like Scarborough claim that this is a center-right country because more people identify as conservatives I want to scream. People don't say they are liberal because they don't know what it means, but ask them about individual policies and what do you know, they are liberals.

The fifth thing they need to do is WORK THE REFS! The media pushes whatever story the GOP tells it to because the GOP knows how to push the media around. The Democrats need to learn this skill, and they need to do so today!

This is just the beginning of what the Democrats should do, I'm sure a dozen other things will pop into my mind as soon as I hit submit.

Posted by: nisleib | November 3, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

sbj, that argument is disingenuous. He is in effect saying, "let's extend them temporarily, on the grounds that we'll later make them permanent."

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 3, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I think you misread Hatch's response. He stated all taxes must remain he same for at least 2 years (which most agree with-even Orzag) and then we can see where the economy is. It is crazy to increase taxes on any group at this time-especially those who create jobs. Obama has no intention of compromising. He stated he believes his policies are not the problem-you've got to be kidding! His party just took the worst shellacking in 2 generations and he still doesn't get it.

Posted by: TomA3 | November 3, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

sbj, what's your take on Iowa's three judges that voted to uphold gay marriage that got taken out as a result of a campaign by Republican operatives.

Is that the Dems fault for not taking a stand or what?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 3, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"That's a compromise"

Saying, "let's do it later" is not a compromise, it's kicking the can down the road. IOW, the most cowardly form of non-governance possible. Not at all surprising that endorse that approach, SBJ.

Compromise would be extending the tax cuts only for those making $500,000 or $1M and below.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 3, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

And let's not forget that moderate Dem Senators (unlike Blue Dogs in the House) all kept their seats. How much Dem support for extending the rates will there be in the new Senate? Obama might be up against a majority (on the temporary extension) in the House *and* Senate if he waits until 2011.

Posted by: sbj3 | November 3, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"It is crazy to increase taxes on any group at this time-especially those who create jobs."

What the hell are they waiting for then, an invitation? They had the Bush years to create all those "tax cut" jobs, the last two years, and now they want another two years?

Posted by: lmsinca | November 3, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me Ethan nails it there.

Obama wants to extend cuts for only those under 250K. Hatch wants to extend them all. Compromise would be somewhere in between those two.

Hatch, by contrast, is proposing: Let's compromise by doing it my way for now.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 3, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

All the words of the Obama people are now coming back to them

All the comments from the Obama people - ARE YOU GOING TO SUPPORT THE ELECTION ???

Are you going to recognize what the American People want???


Clearly the nation KNOWS the meaning of the election - DOES OBAMA?

Posted by: SunlightRays | November 3, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

@Mike: "sbj, what's your take on Iowa's three judges that voted to uphold gay marriage that got taken out as a result of a campaign by Republican operatives."

I haven't followed this. Is it not the people's right to vote judges out?

"Is that the Dems fault for not taking a stand or what?"

Umm - ?

Posted by: sbj3 | November 3, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Greg

The democrats should begin to recognize the results of the election


Obama put the tax cut issue up there and he lost.


Obama put his version of health care up there and he lost


It is time the democrats RESPECT the American People.

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Posted by: SunlightRays | November 3, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Greg. Indeed. For our GOP friends:

Compromise [kom-pruh-mahyz]

–noun
1. a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims, principles, etc., by reciprocal modification of demands.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"It's a sign that Republicans like Hatch believe Obama was so weakened by last night's results that the burden of compromise will be entirely on him."

It's a sign that Hatch wants to be re-elected.

"Hatch, by contrast, is proposing: Let's compromise by doing it my way for now."

Hatch is proposing that, if handed a gun with which to shoot himself in the foot, he's going to choose not to take that shot. If he suggested he wanted to compromise on taxes with Obama after last nights election, it would be political suicide. And conservative voters don't forget. Just ask George H. W. "Read My Lips" Bush.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

C'mon sbj. A politico such as yourself that seems to have the memory of an elephant isn't aware of what happened in Iowa?

I don't buy it.

And my snark is you're quick to point to Obama in the failure of Prop. 8 failure, so I assumed you already had a pocket spin response to shift the blame onto Democrats for the inevitable repeal of gay marriage rights in Iowa.

And if you're not up to speed. Right wing Republican religious fanatics are on a nation wide attack on your equality.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 3, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

@KW: "If he suggested he wanted to compromise on taxes with Obama after last nights election, it would be political suicide. And conservative voters don't forget."

Admitting GOP political expediency over doing the right thing... episode #367784245

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 3, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If you go into this assuming that the GOP wants to govern effectively, then you have already made a mistake.

The Republicans are no longer interested in compromising because they have no interest in government being part of an economic solution. What they want is unfettered capitalism that has no check or balance unless and until there is a crisis when they DEMAND a bailout. See Paulson, Hank.

The sad fact is that we all have to live with this and Obama does not have anyone else to negotiate with.

I truly wish we had a parliamentary democracy. Pluralism would keep the GOP from getting rewarded for not participating in governance.

Posted by: BGinCHI | November 3, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010:

"1. a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims, principles, etc., by reciprocal modification of demands."

I'm not surprised you had to look that up. ;)

But, I agree. Another approach would be to say: "Look, let's let half the tax cuts on marginal rates above $250k expire, and then give everyone making less than $250k another 15% off their taxes."

That is, don't just offer to maintain the Bush tax cuts for the middle class, but up the ante. Make the Republicans say no to a big tax break for middle-class folks, unless they get to keep tax cuts for folks making more than $250k.

I make well under that . . . way, way under. I'd definitely be receptive to a "big tax cut for you" argument. And I'm beginning to think putting that tax money in the hands of the middle class might be more stimulative.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 3, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Kevin, I agree with that kind of compromise. It would also have the salutary effect of making tax cuts for the middle class change its name to the Obama Tax Cuts.

Or even the Pelosi tax cuts.

Posted by: BGinCHI | November 3, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: "Admitting GOP political expediency over doing the right thing... episode #36778424"

Actually, I'm pretty sure 99.9% of politicians of all stripes are usually interested in their future re-election prospects. Even if there is room for compromise, it wouldn't do Hatch any good to say it.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 3, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"It is crazy to increase taxes on any group at this time-especially those who create jobs."

Spot on, the rich need to be even richer or they might create jobs in China instead of here. Oh wait, they got rich by creating jobs in China instead...or by mining Medicare (I'm looking at you Florida, good luck with that grifter, I mean health care entrepreneur).

I don't suppose Orrin Hatch is interested in taxing companies that export jobs? Import duties on unfairly traded products. No?

Posted by: shrink2 | November 3, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama appears oddly unaware of all the implications of what is facing him. One has to wonder if he can handle the situation

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm struck by the contrast with Cameron in the UK. A big conservative victory, so he's cutting government spending but also attacking the deficits by increasing taxes on the wealthy. "Everyone needs to share in the pain." That's governance. If only we had conservatives like that.

Ours are more like the aristocrats in the period leading up to the French revolution - single mindedly focussed on exempting the wealthy from giving anything back to the society that nurtures them.

Posted by: Virginia7 | November 3, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

There is a problem here

Obama - and Obama supporters are not the one's getting the health care premium increases

The SEIU people get free health care through their labor contracts All the unions get health care through their contracts The inner cities get Medicaid and County-supported hospitals

So what is left??? EVERYONE ELSE - WHO DON'T SUPPORT OBAMA ARE THE ONES GETTING THE BILLS FOR OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE INCREASES.

This is an important point - the Obama people are NOT paying the bills. They are more than happy to send the bills to someone else

It is a FUNDAMENTAL DISCONNECT - Obama doesn't get it - not only that he is so isolated his people don't get it either.

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Virginia, agreed.

What Cameron is doing, even if we might disagree with some of his cuts, is being open and honest about budget matters (at least relative to us).

That Bush didn't even have the Iraq war on the budget line is just one example among many of how we are having it both ways.

Oh, btw, did Hatch say anything about defense cuts?

Posted by: BGinCHI | November 3, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

BGC, yes the Brits were able to accomplish a raft of austerity measures like those we need because of an odd coalition this time 'round. Ordinarily I don't diagnose online, but our bipolarity is getting quite symptomatic.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 3, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The first thing the new Congress should do is pass a law that all the unions and public employees have to pay for their own health insurance - and are personally responsible for Obama's INCREASES

Religion will come to all of the really fast

Let the union people PAY for Obama's increases and see how fast Obama loses support for his program.


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Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

virginia7

Cameron = Tea Party

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Kevin

Real smart - that will only stimulate China and create jobs there.

Which will increase the debt we owe China

We need real job creation here in the US.


That is what your Bill Clinton did to this economy.

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Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

There aren't 60 votes in the Senate to permanently extend the Bush tax cuts.

Posted by: maritza1 | November 3, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Get out the popcorn, the GOP in-fighting is about to begin:

Bachmann To Run For House Leadership

Conservative Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) -- founder of the Tea Party Caucus -- will make a bid to be part of House leadership next Congress, likely touching off a tough intra-GOP battle for influence over the new majority.

In a message to her supporters on Facebook, Bachmann writes, "I am pleased to announce that I am running for Chairman of the House Republican Conference! Constitutional Conservatives deserve a loud and clear voice in leadership!"

That's a recipe for a leadership fight. Earlier today, current conference chair Mike Pence informed his colleagues he will not seek re-election to that position in January. Wasting no time, Whip Eric Cantor -- who will run for Majority Leader in the 112th Congress -- nominated the early favorite, Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) to fill that slot.

Hensarling is no moderate. But between the more than four dozen members already in Bachmann's caucus and the giant incoming class -- which is chock full of tea party-backed candidates -- we could have a real race here.

(Josh Marshall adds: But the word I get from Republican circles is that Hensarling's got this locked up.)

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/11/infighting-bachmann-to-run-for-house-leadership.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 3, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Maritza1

There are 60 votes in the Senate to extend the Bush tax cuts for a few more years


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I finally realized why so many people continue to support Obama's health insurance: they don't feel the increases


Just pass a Law WHICH SAYS ALL THE SEIU has to pay their own increases from now on


And all that to all the interest groups - they will be against the Obama version really, really fast


We can't listen to people who are isolated from the problem.

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

OT, little nugget on CA polls:

Republican candidates and strategists were, of course, eager to draw attention to the surveys in the latter group. The Republican candidate for governor, Meg Whitman, directly attacked the Times/USC poll in several speeches, saying incorrectly that Times polls always favored candidates the paper had endorsed.

In the end, Brown won by 12 points and Boxer by nine. The poll that came closest to nailing the results: The L.A. Times/USC survey, which had projected a 13-point margin for Brown and an eight-point margin for Boxer. Field, which had projected margins of 10 points for Brown and eight for Boxer, came in a close second.

The worst record? The Rasmussen surveys, which were conducted for Fox News and Rasmussen’s own survey website. Those polls projected a Boxer margin of three points and a Brown win by four.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/11/pollsters-california-hotly-contested-election-correctly.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 3, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

sue, I think I smell blood in the water.

They're gonna need a bigger boat.

Posted by: BGinCHI | November 3, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I say let all the tax cuts expire and blame it on Republicans. After all, a majority of the votes for the tax cuts to expire came from the Republicans.

And, according to McCain economic advisor Mark Zandi, making the Bush income tax cuts permanent has a multiplier of 0.32, which means that for every dollar the government cuts in taxes, GDP grows by $0.32. Cutting the corporate tax rate also has a multiplier of $0.32. On the other hand the most stimulative tax cut initiative would be a job tax credit, which has a multiplier of $1.30 and food stamps have a multiplier of $1.74.

In short, we could do more for the economy with less money by letting the Bush tax cuts expire and then offering more stimulative programs such as a payroll holiday, a job tax credit or additional assistance to those struggling in today's economy.

Posted by: nisleib | November 3, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

suekz

Yeah over at the fix Cillizza is grieving the end of the fun season in politics, nope, just getting started. The Republican tire fire just got a whole new truckload.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 3, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm of the mind now, that the tax cuts shouldn't be extended for anyone. If the deficit is so all important to these knuckleheads let them take the blame for it from everyone.

Oh sure, Obama has to present his plan, then he has to let Republicans shoot it down and then it's over except the finger pointing. The tax break I got wasn't so big that it would bother me all that much. No hoist Repubs on their own petard.

Posted by: kindness1 | November 3, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

suekzoo

They will make a deal - clearly the Tea Party has to have some influence.

Eric Cantor is the one who will get the real challenge - he might get knocked off

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

think you misread Hatch's response. He stated all taxes must remain he same for at least 2 years (which most agree with-even Orzag) and then we can see where the economy is. It is crazy to increase taxes on any group at this time-especially those who create jobs. Obama has no intention of compromising. He stated he believes his policies are not the problem-you've got to be kidding! His party just took the worst shellacking in 2 generations and he still doesn't get it.

Posted by: TomA3
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Let's see here. Obama said "let's compromise" and Hatch said "no compromise" and your conclusion is Hatch is willing to compromise and Obama is not. Why even bother reading things if the actual words don't matter?
I can understand if you said Obama is lying, but I don't see how you can simply say Hatch is willing to do the opposite of what he said.

I bet you wouldn't buy it if I said Obama did compromise on health care because what he really wanted was a a single government payor system, but settled for the bill we have. So why should I buy your nonesense?

Posted by: ashotinthedark | November 3, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse


Ethan send that definition to Obama


It is clear the democrats do NOT want to recognize the will of the American People


WE HAD AN ELECTION - respect it.

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Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Today is the first day we don't have the Obama people walking around wild claiming that the 2008 election meant something which it didn't


The country never turned left

So get that idea out of your heads - and just forget about doing anything other than what the American People clearly want


Obama STILL doesn't get it -

When Obama starts talking about these individual stories - he is trying to defend something that lost miserably.

Pretty simple

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, I'm pretty sure 99.9% of politicians of all stripes are usually interested in their future re-election prospects."

Actually, you need only look to the other side of the aisle to find politicians who do the right thing -- and campaign on it -- contrary to what is easiest politically.

Perriello, Tom
Grayson, Alan
Reid, Harry
Obama, Barack

To name a few.

I strongly suggest that you read this email Tom Perriello sent to his supporters after his loss:

"As I told the crowd last night, my father made me promise when I entered politics that I would always consider Judgement Day more important than election day, because doing what's right is more important than winning elections."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/head_held_high.php

Really, read the whole thing, KW, you might find it a little heartwarming.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 3, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The democrats on this blog sure sound like the people who were looking at Obama over the past two years - refusing to stick to his pledge to compromise on health care


Obama doesn't seem like he has the ability to function in this new environment


Again - Obama really only has 10 months to get this right

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@Mike: Sorry, Mike, but I have not been following gay marriage in Iowa. As a matter of fact, I don't pay too much attention to the whole gay marriage thing. I'm not a single issue person. I have always hoped that gay persons could achieve equality via another route. Unfortunately, it's becoming increasingly clear that marriage may be the only or best way to achieve equality so perhaps the gay marriage issue will move up on my list of priorities.

And you *know* that I love to point out Obama's hypocrisy - it's a hobby and he keeps me busy!

Gay marriage rights in Iowa, as here in California, at this point seem to depend on the state constitutions. I wish that it were not so because my fundamental rights seem to be tied to marriage equality. As such, I'm not gonna blame the left or the right or the judges or the voters.

You seem to be unaware that a growing chorus of conservative voices is calling for equal rights for gay persons. Log Cabin Republicans are leading the fight against DADT and Ted Olson is leading the fight for gay marriage on the federal level.

Posted by: sbj3 | November 3, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

sheesh 11/32 removed and I only have one poster on bad com status.

There is no way I would try to keep track of what the smart people here are up to (some of you can write well too) without Kevin's troll hunter. How did you do it for so long?

Posted by: shrink2 | November 3, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Only letting the tax cuts expire on the top marginal rates IS the compromise. The right, fiscally responsible thing to do is to let them ALL expire. But, if the last 2 years have told us anything, is that the Republicans will take the compromise position and treat it like the leftist position. Really wish Dem leaders had caught on to that by now.

Posted by: holyhandgrenaid | November 3, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, there was an item on TPM that Bachmann is planning to organize classes for house members on the Constitution.

Wonder what she's gonna say when they get to the part about the census, since she tried so hard to convince people not to comply.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 3, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

shrink, the current infestation got started in August. Prior to that, we only had drive-by trolls, and only periodically.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 3, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I think that part of the election is the American People want the democrats to stop blaming people and start being RESPONSIBLE


You all don't get that.

Obviously

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Only letting the tax cuts expire on the top marginal rates IS the compromise. The right, fiscally responsible thing to do is to let them ALL expire. But, if the last 2 years have told us anything, is that the Republicans will take the compromise position and treat it like the leftist position. Really wish Dem leaders had caught on to that by now."

The Dems are partially to blame. They have already made it clear that they are fine with extending the cuts for everyone except $250,000 and above. So that becomes the starting point for compromise. There are also some Dems that have said they would extend all the cuts which makes the negotiating position even harder. They made the same mistakes with the health care bill.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | November 3, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

OT, financial report:

Scott Clemons, chief investment strategist for Brown Brothers Harriman, said the Fed's push to further ease monetary conditions would likely maintain downward pressure on the dollar. "I think it's actually an explicit desire of the Fed--it makes our export markets more attractive, and it makes imports more expensive, which helps to import inflation, and the Fed has said very clearly they would like to see some inflation," Clemons said.

The market moves came on a day when the economy showed tepid signs of improvement. Private-sector employment grew by 43,000 in October, topping consensus estimates of a 22,000-job gain. U.S. factory orders rose by a higher-than-expected 2.1% in September, the third consecutive month of growth for one of the economy's key drivers. Meanwhile, a measure of non-manufacturing activity came in at 54.3 for October, higher than September's 53.2 reading and better than consensus expectations of 53.5.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101103-717549.html

Moving forward as planned. Double-dip talk was all BS.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 3, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Nate Silver on Rassmussen's polling accuracy:

"Rasmussen polls quite consistently turned out to overstate the standing of Republicans tonight. Of the roughly 100 polls released by Rasmussen or its subsidiary Pulse Opinion Research in the final 21 days of the campaign, roughly 70 to 75 percent overestimated the performance of Republican candidates, and on average they were biased against Democrats by 3 to 4 points."

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 3, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama would be wise to agree to the tax cuts and agree to repeal parts of the health care bill now.

Remember in 1994, Bill Clinton already agreed to drop health care in August.

In 1994, there wasn't a feeling after the election, that it was time to finish off Clinton by pushing him out right away. This time, there is a sense that Obama is STILL obstructing the will of the American People - and has to go.


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Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Kirk takes office right away

Coons takes office right away

Manchin takes office right away


Net Gain for Republicans in the Senate right now is ONE.

The unemployment insurance has to be extended again - they need 2 Republicans to agree to the extension to get closure.

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Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Ethan if the Fed wants to move the dollar, it can do it directly, by buying other currencies.


Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else hear that harridan Marcia Blackburn on MSNBC last night?

She wants cuts to SS and to Medicare.

I'd say go right ahead and get on the public record loud and clear for that. When that part of the shitsandwich gets put on America's plate, we'll see who wants more GOP control.

This is a fight we need to have.

Posted by: BGinCHI | November 3, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@ashot

Oh I know, I follow this nonsense religiously. I was simply pointing out that we've already come their way, now they have to come towards us. Its how haggling works

Posted by: holyhandgrenaid | November 3, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

In 94, Clinton already agreed to drop health care

It is astonishing that the voters are DEMANDING that Obama change course right now - and Obama is forced to do it.

NO ONE is going to believe Obama's words anymore. He already lied from his campaign pledges. So ONLY ACTIONS from Obama will work. Seriously folks, I don't know how else it can be explained.


Blaming isn't going to work

Action will work - Obama should repeal part of the health care - If he doesn't he probably has ZERO chances at re-election

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

@ashot

Oh I know, I follow this nonsense religiously. I was simply pointing out that we've already come their way, now they have to come towards us. Its how haggling works

Posted by: holyhandgrenaid
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Great name by the way. And I was pointing out that nobody is going to give teh Dems credit for already having come their way. Least of all the Republicans.

The good news Dems can say Ok we'll compromise and say we'll only raise taxes on $1 million and above, or something like that. The Republicans can then come down from a full 2 year extension or take the no compromise position and in doing so be painted as voting for a tax increase.

Or they the Dems can do what Kevin suggests and say "fine, you get 2 years as long as the middle class get another 10% more."

I like the second option better. It makes it harder to paint the Dems as sticking it to the rich and easier for the Dems to claim to be fighting for the middle class.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | November 3, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

118 Tea Party House members elected

That is about half the 242 House Republicans.

There is no way that the moderate Republicans will be able to resist the Tea Party given their public support. The Tea Party effectively controls the Republican negotiating position with Obama.


Do the democrats understand that??

The American People have spoken, The democrats and the liberals should respect the results of the election. Same thing that the democrats claimed about 2008 - only the liberals were claiming the election meant something it didnt - THIS time everyone knows what the election meant


I don't think Obama understands.

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Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I see the political gain in Kevin's suggestion- and I don't necessarily dislike it, but I am staunchly, enthusiastically even, for letting them all expire- and as far as i know, the only elected official who has said anything at all that supports this is George Voinovich.

I'll be unhappy regardless of the compromise, but some will placate me better than others.

Posted by: holyhandgrenaid | November 3, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

holy, you guys have figured this out. It's not really that difficult, is it?

But look back at what Hatch is saying and how he's saying it.

The problem is that the GOP thinks it doesn't have to compromise and will pay no political price if it doesn't.

(the top paragraph is not snark, btw)

Posted by: BGinCHI | November 3, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

holyhandgrenade


The reality of the situation is that Obama put the tax cuts up as a campaign issue and he lost. The American People have spoken. It ridiculous for the democrats to now insist on something which the American People have rejected.


I know - the democrats have been insisting on health care the whole time - when they know the American People have rejected it.

However, finally the democrats should get it


IT IS NOT A NEGOTIATING POSITION WITH THE DEMOCRATIC - LIBERAL - GAY AGENDA


The democrats are supposed to be representing the American People - not some stupid agenda which drags down the economy and the country.

Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

@holyhandgrenaid

The other reason I like Kevin's suggestion is I do think it would stimulate things.

Letting the cuts expire would be the most fiscally prudent and I do enjoy the fact that the fiscally responsible party is the one who wants the most tax cuts retained. I know...I know...Laffer Curve

Posted by: ashotinthedark | November 3, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

When will the democrats realize they are their to represent the people - not constantly sacrifice what the people want for their own gain.

The immigration issue is a case in point, the democrats are more interested in whether the immigrants will vote for them, than what is BEST for the nation - and whether there are enough jobs for the millions of illegals and their children.


We saw this with health care and the Iraq War - the democrats seem to be more motivated by some desire for electorial advantage - rather than what is best for the nation.


The American People are sick of it - competely.

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Posted by: RepublicansTakeControl | November 3, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Here's a hint on Hatch. RedState is already drawing up the hit list for 2012. It includes:

Orrin Hatch, Bob Corker, Dick Lugar, Olympia Snowe, and......wait for it.......drum roll.....

Scott Brown of Massachusetts (LOL)

(They are just not that into ya, Scotty..)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/03/scott-brown-finds-himself_n_778269.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 3, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/happy_hour_roundup_121.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 3, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

@suekzoo
Of those five, the right would be making a suicidal mistake taking down Snowe or Brown- on par with the O'Donnell fiasco.

And bringing down Lugar would be pretty shameful IMHO.

They'll get away with Hatch and Corker though

Posted by: holyhandgrenaid | November 3, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Agree, Sue. He's pulling a McCain.

Since it's Utah, he might succeed.

Posted by: BGinCHI | November 3, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have a mandate now.

Obama thought he had a mandate, never did but spent the past two years pretending that the public supported what he was doing. It was completely ridiculous.

I do not understand why the democratic leadership in Congress allowed Obama to run things to such an extent that the party has been destroyed. Why didn't they stop Obama and refuse to push through the health care bill???

This was a Gang-Action. And the democrats in Congress did not focus on job creation either. They had 2 years to get it right - and they didn't.

Posted by: MessageMachine | November 3, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"It isn't hard to figure out that "tax cuts for the rich" alone is not even remotely close to a coherent comprehensive economic agenda."

It's also not hard to figure out that you are flailing at another straw man. I guess all your Obama-Grayson-Meek triumphalism wasn't so reality based after all.

As for Dem pining for compromise and humility, I refer you, Greg, to BO: "I won."

Posted by: quarterback1 | November 3, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

More RINOs for the tire fire! I guess they think the more outrageous they get, the higher the office they win. That is not what happened yesterday, so the battle is on.
It'll be Rove, Barbour and the rest of the Old Boys versus the Lunatics.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 3, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"The problem is that the GOP thinks it doesn't have to compromise and will pay no political price if it doesn't."

You said it BG. The GOP will obviously continue on its obstructionist path until they are punished for doing so. Since the Democrats have been unable to mount a cohesive counterattack -- due largely to the Republicrats siding with The Republicans -- the GOP skates. As things stand, the Democratic Party is essentially paralyzed and barely functional: completely lacking in a commitment to Liberalism (or ANY governing philosophy for that matter and entirely lacking in party discipline. That -- as we have just witnessed -- is recipe for failure. The Dems better snap out of it quick or 2012 will be on them like a ton of bricks.

Posted by: wbgonne | November 3, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

qb

I left you a response on the "Reid Wins" thread.

Posted by: lmsinca | November 3, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

nislieb wrote:

"I say let all the tax cuts expire and blame it on Republicans. After all, a majority of the votes for the tax cuts to expire came from the Republicans."

Ummmm . . . I don't want to embarass you or anything, but we just had an election, and that's exactly what the Dems DID say.

It didn't turn out so well if you hadn't heard.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 3, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Ethan wrote:

"I strongly suggest that you read this email Tom Perriello sent to his supporters after his loss:

"As I told the crowd last night, my father made me promise when I entered politics that I would always consider Judgement Day more important than election day, because doing what's right is more important than winning elections."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/head_held_high.php

Really, read the whole thing, KW, you might find it a little heartwarming."


I find the advice George C. Scott gives in the opening monologue from "Patton" a little more sound.

"No poor bast*rd ever won a war by dying for his country. He did it by making the OTHER poor bast*rd die for HIS country!"

Posted by: 54465446 | November 3, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

They may kick the can down the for two years with extension of the tax cuts for all taxpayers. The idea of permanent cuts for middle class and two year extension for the wealthy is a non starter because the Republicans don't want to have to defend a tax cut just for the wealthy in two years.

Then there is a strong scenario that President Obama will let all the tax cuts expire. This would cut the budget deficits, without impacting any of the 47% of American wage earners who pay no Federal Income Tax at all. These 47% are President Obama's base.

Posted by: crunkcar | November 4, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The GOP will compromise the same way Obama did on major parts of the HC Bill that repubs didn't like. Nada.

Posted by: illogicbuster | November 4, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

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