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Sarah Palin, defenseless victim of lamestream media

There's a lot of talk today about how Sarah Palin is supposedly very angry with Politico for talking to anonymous Republicans who say they dread her running for president, and are doing everything they can to stop her.

"Politico, Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei, they're jokes," Palin told Fox News yesterday. "This is a joke to have unnamed sources tearing somebody apart limb by limb."

Yeah, um, okay ... bullsh*t. Palin loves this story. This is almost too obvious to point out, but this type of story is great for her. It feeds her narrative about how she's the prey of pointy headed coastal lamestream media elites who have nothing but disdain for her and all the real Americans she speaks for. Having unnamed Republicans express concern about her presidential candidacy only sweetens the deal, allowing her to position herself in opposition to GOP elites in addition to lamestream media ones.

Given that Palin is a former half term governor and failed veep candidate who hasn't even said whether she's running for president, Palin's high public profile exists almost entirely at the pleasure of major media outlets. She is kept aloft by the willingness of news orgs to cover her every Tweet and Facebook missive in order to gain traffic and eyeballs.

But, crucially, her existence as a media creation is also heavily dependent on her pose as a high-profile media victim. For Politico to quote her getting bashed by anonymous GOP sources -- and then to have other outlets widely cover her loud grievances about it -- is nothing but a win-win for her. No need to pretend otherwise.

By Greg Sargent  | November 1, 2010; 2:54 PM ET
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I hate to admit it but I have something in common with this Know Nothing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing) Palin.

I can't stand Politico either. They are the epitome of village insiders who sell themselves to the highest bidder and drag down the discussion into the dirt at every opportunity.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 1, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who wants a to see where the modern day Republican/teaparty got its roots, look up that wiki entry for the Know Nothing party.

It's them to a T.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 1, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

If I believed in the power of prayer, I'd get on my knees every night and pray for Palin to be the GOP nominee for 2012. It would be so sweet to watch her go down in flames and bring down the whole stinking Tea Party edifice with her.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 1, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Actually, your point shows precisely why she MUST pretend otherwise. If she doesn't complain about being victimized, then where does the "I'm being victimized" narrative come from? Of course this is all a game, but it is a game that requires her to play her role. Playing her role as media victim is the one thing she does well.

Posted by: cmb123 | November 1, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin and Barack Obama have one thing in common: a knack for creating opportunities for themselves.

Posted by: cab91 | November 1, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The question is whether Mrs. Palin can ride victimhood all the way to the R nomination. Winners usually don't appear to be victims. Hence the saying that "when you are in the winner's circle, act like you've been there before".

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

umm, Tomorrow's election is all about Obama's policies - the American People are going to send a message to Obama.


Sarah Palin is off the list right now.


The economy is the major issue - and Obama has done little but press his health care bill which is a drag on hiring, a drag on the economy.


It is important to remember that Obama lost enough votes to pass health care in January, when Scott Brown was elected.

Obama pressed his health care bill through when he didn't have enough votes in the Senate. He relied on a "reconciliation." The American People will respond to Obama tomorrow. Obama's response to the sentiment of the people appeared to be sending out his people to level false charges of racism. That episode was one of the most shameful and disgraceful in American History.


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Posted by: ConnecticutMadness | November 1, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse


This sounds reasonable


Greg - you can add 12BarBlues to the ban list because she has been stalking someone on this blog for months now.


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Greg

nisleib is guilty of a personal attack at 1;30 on the previous thread and should be banned immediately.

In fact, all the personal attacks and nasty comments of the liberals should result in banning of those people.

That would improve the atmosphere on this blog - and remove the whining.

Simply requesting an even-handed enforcement of the rules.

And the personal attacks are the foremost problem - the democrats constantly attacking others personally. Demands and Suggestions that another poster be ignored should be deemed a personal attack and result in an immediate banning.


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Posted by: ConnecticutMadness | November 1, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

She's not defenseless.

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Defenseless? Hardly. But, as a pundit on Fox News Network, Palin IS the lamestream media.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 1, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Sullivan has Palin all figured out:

Palin is a political version of Snooki. The only thing that can destroy her is ignoring her. And it's way too late for that.

I saw this early on when I dared to ask questions about the Trig story. Heads she wins; tails you lose. And so any actual investigation never happens, and you have pure reality television politics. The more Palin says "crap" on Fox, the wackier her Discovery Channel escapades, the sleazier Bristol's dance routines ... the more Karl Rove worries and her base rallies to her as "one of them". The worse Snooki behaves, the more famous she is, the more people decry her ... the bigger her audience.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/

No wonder John McCain keeps twitting Snooki ...

Posted by: pragmaticstill | November 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Why the obsession with Palin? Are you leftists that afraid? I bet you don't think your ideas or policies can stand the test. Tomorrow will be proof enough that America is not a left or right or center nation but a conservative one with a bunch of dimwits to either side. In the mean time, when you can't defend your positions, attack a person, any person. Take the light off your failures.

Posted by: vgailitis | November 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

But, crucially, her existence as a media creation

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Well, OK, but who isn't. And former VP candidates usually get a press platform.

The unique situation is the media sees two advantages to reporting on her

1) Ratings for Sarah Palin are sky-high. People love to hear about her. The democrats who don't like her, read about her. For the print media, Sarah "sells papers."

2) For the liberals in the media, they love to put Sarah Palin out there so they have a target. The liberals love to have the foil of Sarah Palin - putting a face onto something they hate which is the other side.


An important part of the liberal tactics is to "hate someone" - and it is just easier to do that if you have a name and a face.


So, Sarah Palin does a great deal for the media. They want her out there.

For Greg Sargent, complaining about Sarah Palin as a media creation, in the midst of another Sarah Palin posting by Greg Sargent - is just another example of the complete lack of self-awareness.


And coming before the midterm elections, it is just another attempt to draw the issues away from Obama's horrible handling of the economy - and Obama's horrible health care plan.


But anyway.........

Posted by: ConnecticutMadness | November 1, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

No matter what happens tomorrow, Sarah Palin will still be an idiot.

And Politico will still be the Clubhouse for the Village Idiots.

Greg is exactly right to call BS on this. SP and Politico are mutually affirming one another.

Posted by: BGinCHI | November 1, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If you're reading the Politico, it's no one's fault but your own.

Posted by: CalD | November 1, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The "Mama Grizily" who tells people to "Man up" whines like a little victim.

Sure she is really on the side of the victim. When she was mayor and gov she had the cojones to charge rape victims for their rape test kits.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | November 1, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I like the troll hunter's new name on top feature.

Oh and I (really and truly!) do hope you Republicans decide to run Sarah Palin for President. I double dare you.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 1, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

We all understand that the Fix refugees have not been taken kindly to.

It is a culture shock actually.

The solution is to develop a set of rules which encourages civil discussion - and to enforce the rules in that direction.

To start to ban one side or the other - to ignore all the personal attacks coming from one side - does little to solve the problem.


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Lots like Rand Paul is going to win.

Joe Machin not going to win - seriously folks.


The question then goes to Washington State - and Dino Rossi will win. It will be extremely close for control of the Senate.


Anyway........

Posted by: ConnecticutMadness | November 1, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

New update to Trollhunter.

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/89140

Adds displaying the posters name over the comment, rather than under the comment. Seems to work, but let me know if you encounter any problems.

I have one recurrent issue with Wapo Troll Hunter on Firefox with Greasemonkey where it displays the comment box, even though it actually wants you to sign in. So, when you try to post something, you get an error that you need to be registered. Chrome running WaPo troll hunter doesn't have this problem. Not sure if I'm going to be able to address it. The way to fix it, now, is to disable Greasemonkey, go sign in, and then re-enable Greasemonkey.

WIll try to fix that. Latest sock-puppets added, AFAIK.

If you don't like displaying the poster's name over their comments, just disable it by editing the source code:

find this line:

var moveName = 'yes';

and change it to:

var moveName = 'no';

Enjoy!

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 1, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

MerillFrank, she never charged rape victims for kits.

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"The way to fix it, now, is to disable Greasemonkey, go sign in, and then re-enable Greasemonkey. "

I had to do this earlier.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 1, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

shrink, careful what you wish for.

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Greg, we have our disagreements, but you are right on the money. win/win for her. She isn't running for President unless the economy totally collapses, BUT she needs to act as if she is to keep the money flowing.

So for all you Hillary fans out there who are so in love with her IQ, answer me this.

How come this woman with no money, no connections, no influence and supposedly no brains can get herself elected Governor of Alaska, VP candidate for President and now become a multi-millionaire all without any help from her husband, while Hillary can't do anything unless it's handed to her? (except for the nomination which was handed to her, which she dropped!)

I would NEVER vote for her, but I wish I had her drive and guts.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Ms Palin is, as Andrew Sullivan noted, the republicans Snooki. They both have equal social value and should rightfully be ignored so they'll fall obscurity.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions1 | November 1, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

kevin

I had that problem this morning with posting and un-installed greasemonkey. Will try again knowing I can just disable it.

Posted by: lmsinca | November 1, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Kevin: "I have one recurrent issue with Wapo Troll Hunter on Firefox with Greasemonkey where it displays the comment box, even though it actually wants you to sign in. So, when you try to post something, you get an error that you need to be registered."

Thanks, Kevin, good to know! I was trying to figure this out last night, but couldn't, and wasn't sure if it was something I did or not. (No techie here!) I guess I will download Chrome at home. Elsewhere I am stuck with I.E., so I will probably limit being here till WaPo & Greg figure out what they are going to do.

Thanks for your efforts, though! Much appreciated.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 1, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is not the issue


The issue is Obama's policies.

The issue is whether the American People want Obama's version of health care.


The issue is whether Obama's tactics of false charges of racism are offensive to the American People.


Time to go.


Obama should resign on Wednesday morning. If he loves European Parliamentary Socialism so much, Obama should take a cue and resign after Tuesday's elections.


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Posted by: ConnecticutMadness | November 1, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

@numbers,

I detect you have a negative opinion of Hillary Clinton. Now, you seem to be comparing Hillary to Sarah, right?

I used to recruit entrepreneurs for venture capital.

There is no comparison between Hillary and Sarah when it comes to intellect. None. One can like one and dislike the other, but one never can get confused about intellect.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

How come this woman with no money, no connections, no influence and supposedly no brains can get herself elected Governor of Alaska, VP candidate for President and now become a multi-millionaire all without any help from her husband, while Hillary can't do anything unless it's handed to her?
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Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 3:53 PM
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It seems to me this says more about the gullibility of the right-wing base than anyone else.

See Beck, Glenn. Also.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Will try again knowing I can just disable it."

You can disable by clicking the monkey face icon on the bottom left corner of your web browser. (it's only there if its still installed)

Posted by: mikefromArlington | November 1, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

@suekzoo: "Thanks for your efforts, though! Much appreciated."

Welcome. That particular bug is fixed now.

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/89140

If you're using Greasemonkey and Firefox, get the update. You shouldn't run up into the "getting the comment box when it really wants you to hit the 'sign in' link" problem again.

Mostly a problem with my incomplete familiarity with Greasemonkey and JavaScript. There was a more straightforward page to replace the HTML than the one I was using. I'm now using that, and that seems to have fixed the problem.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 1, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Greg, you are one of those corrupt ba$tards. We PUMA's never forget. That's why we are voting straight repub. We will take the dem party back from you corrupt socialists. See ya. Ho's before bros, dork!

Posted by: JD17 | November 1, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

12barblues wrote:

"There is no comparison between Hillary and Sarah when it comes to intellect. None. One can like one and dislike the other, but one never can get confused about intellect."

. . . and yet one has made a life on her own willpower, and the other has ridden her husband's coattails for everything she has gotten since Law School.

If you admire strong women, there is simply no question who is the stronger woman between the two. Don't you find it a facinating comparison, no matter how you line up politically?

Intellect without drive means life as a college professor.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

NBC did a 3 min montage on tomorrow's election.

1/3 ...yes 1/3...was dedicated to Sarah Palin and if she would run in 2012 and her mama grizzlies.

They are trying to ride the tiger.

Full scale idiocy.

Posted by: justmy2 | November 1, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Greg - Can you email me when you fix the troll problem here?

The Plum Line Retarded Assh0le (PLRA) is more than I can take and I'm not having any luck with Greasemonkey.

Thanks

Posted by: nisleib | November 1, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

544:

". . . and yet one has made a life on her own willpower, and the other has ridden her husband's coattails for everything she has gotten since Law School. "

Indeed.

Posted by: ScottC3 | November 1, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Kevin:

Thank you for the compliment. It has really been a tribute that you have done all this.

It is really incredible the reaction that you have had to my comments.

Few people have ever felt so threatened by the written word that they would go so far as to avoid them.

Posted by: ElectionMadness | November 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Quitter Palin expressed outrage at Rahm because he used the word retards,when complaining about professional liberals? She said that she found the word offensive because of her youngest child.

Apparently she does not mind calling people "Bastards", even thought it could be considered offensive, with regards to her grandchild, since it was born out of wedlock.

Good Mama Grizzly. Bad Granny Grizzly.

Posted by: Liam-still | November 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

You are wrong. And Wasilla was one of the only towns that did charge.

MerillFrank, she never charged rape victims for kits.

Posted by: clawrence12


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014669.php

Posted by: MerrillFrank | November 1, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

nisleib, have you tried Chrome?
It works very well.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 1, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Palin is a win for the left as well. Look at Plum Line, for instance. Instead of having to talk about tomorrow's unpleasant election, Sargent gets to go off on a rousing rant about how Palin is only a public figure becuase she gets publicity.

Posted by: tomtildrum | November 1, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Kevin

All fixed and love the name at the top, cool, strf is not a happy camper though, LOL. What are we up to 11 or 12 now.

Posted by: lmsinca | November 1, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

So now we have a conservative bragging about how much he Admires Palin, because of her Drive Without Intellect!

Drive Without Intellect, while Riding Someone Else's Coattails: doesn't that describe George W. Bush, to a T?!

Posted by: Liam-still | November 1, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Randy Moss has been waived.

Amazing

Posted by: ElectionMadness | November 1, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

@ElectionMadness: "Thank you for the compliment. It has really been a tribute that you have done all this."

Who are you? This is the first time I've ever seen you posting here. Sorry, I'm confused.

"Few people have ever felt so threatened by the written word that they would go so far as to avoid them."

You know, as I've noted before, I don't block anybody myself. I've thought of doing a version that reformats your posts and gets rid of the extra carriage returns and the return-return-return-period at the end of the posts. But then, that would be disrespectful of your performance art.

BTW: latest update to Troll Hunter is up.

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/89140

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 1, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

How does the Washington Post keep a guy like this on payroll? Change the subject and dismiss the quotation of unnamed sources-how junior high school. What a child. And what a pathetic example for a once highly repected news outlet.

Posted by: lavistabb | November 1, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

If you admire strong women, there is simply no question who is the stronger woman between the two.
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When you don't have the intellect, you have to have more drive.

Anyway, I'm talking about intellect. That was a necessary, but not sufficient quality, to build the kind of businesses we built. Never, never, never would we have hired a mediocre talent who had drive. Smart people can develop drive. Mediocre people never get smarter.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

@shrink2

Are you saying you have forsaken Firefox for Chrome. I've only heard about Chrome recently. I sometimes worry about Google taking over the internet. :-) When I got my Droid the Verizon rep immediately showed me how to get my Google email to the phone. When I used HTC's software to synch my Outlook contacts and calendar...fine..except I notice now any email addy's I receive or send mail also show up in my contacts automatically.

Google/Verizon are trying to rule the earth perhaps? Well I respect you shrink if you are suggesting I download chrome I'll have a better browsing experience I remain open minded. If you are telling me that Chrome will allow me to block those two idiots who are trying to crash our blog then I'll CERTAINLY download Chrome and use it! At this point I'd sell all of my hardware and convert to Mac if it got rid of those two psychopaths. They are worse than an infestation of bedbugs!

Posted by: rukidding7 | November 1, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

MerrillFrank, I'll see your Washington Monthly and raise you an actual fact checker:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_sarah_palin_make_rape_victims_pay.html

Palin also never banned books or said "I can see Russia from my house."

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Interesting recent evolution of the creature's many names. Madness?

Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | November 1, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Sarah has two options. Demonstrate a thoughtful, intelligent and educated student of American/world history, of current international affairs and political theory or to portray self as a victim of mean-spirited elitist critics.

Well, I guess there is really just one option.

Posted by: bernielatham | November 1, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sybil has been waived.

Amazing!

Posted by: Liam-still | November 1, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@kevin,

About now, you are probably finding out the pain in being the sole technical support for Troll Hunter. I just want you to know that I appreciate your work to make this a better place. And I'm sure I speak for many, many others.

Thank you, Kevin.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

For my money Sarah "the cat ate my homework" Palin is too much of a blame someone else personality. There is simply not a humble or self reflective bone in her body. I hope she doesn't run, although I'm confident she'll lose, because I really don't know if I could take 1 1/2 years of her nonsense and the media frenzy from both sides.

Posted by: lmsinca | November 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Liam:

I would describe myself, if forced, as a fiscal conservative/social liberal.

We will have much to discuss after the election.

So can't you admire the woman's achievements while despising her politics?

Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 | November 1, 2010 4:23 PM

I can't get it to download.

That any of us have to go through this is crazy.

We have one PLRA here that is forcing everyone to modify their online habits and download software just so we don't have to deal with his stupidity.

Posted by: nisleib | November 1, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

If I didn't know better, I'd guess Palin is a Democratic operative. She torpedoed McCain's '08 run, she lost the Delaware Senate race for the GOP, and she may have cost us Alaska too.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | November 1, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Obama's foreign policy?


The very election of Obama was supposed to end the terrorist threats - because they said that voting for a black man was such a gesture that all wars would immediately end.


What happened to that?


Then Obama made a supposedly "unprecedented" speech to the Arab world in Cairo - which was supposed to reach out to the terrorists???


What happened to that program to get the terrorists to stop???

There have been more terrorist incidents this year than any other year since 9/11. It's a problem.

Now the terrorists are trying to "mail it in"

Do the democrats have anything to say to this?

Obama's "soft on terrorism" policies have not worked, they are a failure. A complete failure.


But few democrats want to say a thing about that.

Posted by: ElectionMadness | November 1, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

ruk, you have got to try kevin's troll hunter. He's even got it now so the commenter's names appear at the top, hallelujah.

Thanks Kevin, you can tell we all really appreciate your efforts.

Posted by: lmsinca | November 1, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Dellis, many more of the candidates she's endorsed will win.

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Yes ruk, I've been using it for about a year. Chrome used to be glitchy, especially with Flash, but they fixed all that. It is amazingly fast and now quite stable. I could watch a lot of those oil spill cams feeds at the same time last Summer, no other browser seemed to be able to handle that.

But to maintain separation of powers, I rarely use my gmail addresses, even though they work really well with Google's group features, picassa etc. I rely on mozilla's Tbird for email.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 1, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

So can't you admire the woman's achievements while despising her politics?
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You have a good point. I appreciate Mrs. Palin's nerve and drive. What I don't appreciate is her assumption that she is in any way suited to be President of the U.S. The fact she does not know her own limitations, is her biggest limitation.

But, I'll give it to her for nerve and drive.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

When you don't have the intellect, you have to have more drive.

Anyway, I'm talking about intellect. That was a necessary, but not sufficient quality, to build the kind of businesses we built. Never, never, never would we have hired a mediocre talent who had drive. Smart people can develop drive. Mediocre people never get smarter.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 4:32 PM
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That is some drive that Sarah demonstrated, when she quit her position of Governor, because she could not stand the heat in the coldest state in the Union!

She has the Drive of all runner up Beauty Pageant contestants. She never has gotten over losing out to the only African American women in Alaska, and having been tied for Ms. Congeniality, by a stray Polar Bear that wandered into the auditorium. That explains why she is driven to shoot all bears, from a helicopter. Hell hath no fury like a Wasilla Baracuda scorned.

Posted by: Liam-still | November 1, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

dellis2010: "I'd guess Palin is a Democratic operative."

Hey, now, this has merit!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 1, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

12barblues wrote:

"Smart people can develop drive"

In my experience of the world, this never happens. You either have it or you don't.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

In my experience of the world, this never happens. You either have it or you don't.
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I don't think you're right about this. Many of our entrepreneurs had some reason for their drive--adversity during their teens was often the reason. So they developed drive in response to adversity. I doubt they were born with drive.

By the time we recruited them, they had drive and intellect. Can't sacrifice either of those qualities.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

She quit half way through her first term. Drive my Arse!
She is Paris Hilton for Tea Party males. That is all she is.

Anyone who starts admiring "Drive" without taking into consideration: what is their destination., needs to take a time out, and reflect on what the hell they are admiring. Some of the worst leaders in history were full of "drive".

Posted by: Liam-still | November 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

nisleib, I am sorry to hear that and I certainly agree with your sentiment.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Interesting, that the democrats would rather talk about Sarah Palin - than the person who actually has the responsibility for running the nation.

RESPONSIBILITY - seriously folks, Sarah Palin isn't even in office anymore.

This election is all about Obama's job performance - the fact that Obama made a decision to push the economic crisis aside and work on health care, a program which is actually hurting the economy by putting a drag on hiring.

I find it incredible that the democrats in the House and the Senate went along with this demonstration of stupidity.


It's not like the political implications of the health care bill was not a topic of discussion the whole way through. Obama had multiple points to get out.

The democrats in Congress may have been delaying the entire time - hoping that Obama would realize and change his mind. However the window for the health care bill probably closed in July 2009. Waiting any longer beyond that just increased the damage to the democratic party.

Seriously folks, if you need the Massachusetts legislature to create a new law to maintain a vote, there is a problem.


The lack of bipartisan support, real bipartisan support - like enough concessions that McCain and 20 Republican Senators could support the bill - that was the MAJOR MISTAKE.

The House would have went along with such a compromise. But the truth is Obama needed the political cover of significant Republican support. Concessions should have been made. Phone calls should have been made.

Disaster.

The real issue here is the Economic Crisis is still out there - and people are stuck wondering, not what the best set of economic policies are best for the nation, but how does the nation repeal the health care bill ?


Repeal would be great for the economy, as would an Obama resignation.

Outside of that, I anticipate a bunch of lip service from Obama on his willingness to work with Republicans, but when the time comes, only arrogance and childish behavior from the administration.


They all would be wise to get the budget work done early, so they can fight for a while on it. Waiting until October will not work.

ONE NOTE: I don't think that Pelosi got the budget done this year - so they have some hard deadline coming up - which is two years since the last budget.

Posted by: ElectionMadness | November 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Watching Palin make Progressive heads explode and mouths run-off with the most inane crap is the -BEST- reason to keep her in the public spotlight... Just keep on "Be Clowning Yourself"... I'll watch/read and laugh... Live Live The Palin...

Why do I hear "Another One Bites the Dust" playing in the background-?

Posted by: andyj92 | November 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Smart people can develop drive"

In my experience of the world, this never happens. You either have it or you don't.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 4:50 PM

*******

I kindly disagree. If one can't develop drive then why do we pay people so much to do just that? The assumption behind paying executives millions in bonus' and stock options is that by doing so we will get them to work harder than they otherwise would.

Posted by: nisleib | November 1, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh God, are we still talking about her?

Posted by: klautsack | November 1, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The assumption behind paying executives millions in bonus' and stock options is that by doing so we will get them to work harder than they otherwise would.
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Post.of.the.Day!!!!!!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi is a very sweet woman - she really is.

But the truth is she pushed through Obama's agenda - which was simply the wrong thing for the nation.

The American People should vote her out of office tomorrow. You do that by voting Republican for Congress. Whichever party wins the most seats in Congress picks the Speaker. That is how to get Nancy Pelosi out.


Just wanted to remind people.

It is not about Nancy Pelosi personally - it is the fact that she took up Obama's agenda, including cap and trade.

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Posted by: ElectionMadness | November 1, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I thought me made these people obscenely wealthy because then they might "create" some jobs for Americans. We know gubmint can't create jobs, poor and working people sure can't, so we keep trying to make an ever smaller fraction of the population even more rich, right? Isn't that why we have to have super-rich people, so they will "create" jobs?

Posted by: shrink2 | November 1, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Gee whiz, Greg, you are sure right. It's just crazy that a political figure would like media attention.

You might want to rethink your basic argument, though, that this is the particular kind of attention Palin most craves. Call ME crazy, but she might not too crazily think that having the media clamor about her being a superb choice for POTUS would be EVEN better than their clamoring about her unfitness.

Just a thought. But you know how nutty conservatives are.

Posted by: quarterback1 | November 1, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that why we have to have super-rich people, so they will "create" jobs?
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Nay, nay, shrink. The reason we have these super-rich people is because they "do God's work"*.

*Lloyd Blankfein, CEO Goldman Sachs testifying before Congress.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Liam, as I believe gas been pointed out to you several times on this thread, lots of Democrats have quit before their terms were up and you hypocrites have no problem with that.

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I really like the poster's name at the top of the post.

Troll Hunter, installed 107 times and counting!

Posted by: 12BarBlues | November 1, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"admire the woman's achievements"

Half-term governor of a state that's smaller than some Congressional districts? Um, wow.

Sarah Palin is Al Sharpton. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. She's a self-created caricature.

Posted by: theorajones1 | November 1, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to remind people:

John Boehner has been in Congress for twenty years, and is running for another term, even thought he promised back in 1994 to term limit himself, and only serve eight years.

Remember, Boehner is corrupt. He once passed out Tobacco Lobby checks to his Republicans Colleagues, on the floor of the house, just before a bill was voted on, that the Tobacco Cartel wanted passed.

Remember that John Bohner and Mitch McConnell pushed through all the Bush Budget busting spending, without offsets.

A vote for to make John Boehner Speaker Of The House, is vote for to put one of the most corrupt, budget busting long time Washington DC foxes in charge of the chickens.

Any Tea Party member who tells you that they want to get rid of long time Washington Politicians, while at the same time pushing to put Mitch McConnell and John Boehner in charge of the legislative houses, is a phony, and a liar.

Posted by: Liam-still | November 1, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"I thought me made these people obscenely wealthy because then they might "create" some jobs for Americans."

Herein is the fundamental confusion, again, of liberals about economics and government. Government didn't make people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and Sam Walton wealthy.

Once you figure that out, you might start to grasp the rest of reality.

Posted by: quarterback1 | November 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

nisleib: "That any of us have to go through this is crazy."

You are totally correct, and have my sympathies. I took a few-months break from the Plum Line for this very reason. I still don't spend much time here, just because of the troll infestation. Hopefully, Greg and the WaPo will do something about it.

Although Kevin's fix is wonderful, and I am thankful for it, it's only a temporary band-aid.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | November 1, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 - I get that you are snarking, but the reality (as I'm guessing you already know) is that rich people don't give a hoot about creating jobs.

They just don't.

If a rich person, or a company, needs someone to do JobX then they hire someone to do JobX. No company, or rich person, is going to hire someone just because they can afford to.

And if you think about it why should they? If you get right down to it, rich people, and corporations, don't "Create Jobs," any more than "Gubmint" does.

People like you and I create jobs. How? By wanting products and services we can't provide for ourselves. That is called demand, and once the demand is up the corporations and rich people will do their best to meet that demand with supply.

Posted by: nisleib | November 1, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar: "Thank you, Kevin."

You are, of course, most welcome.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | November 1, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted;

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/happy_hour_roundup_120.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 1, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

--"Politico, Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei, they're jokes," Palin told Fox News yesterday. "This is a joke to have unnamed sources tearing somebody apart limb by limb."--

Of course Palin is crying crocodile tears here, but she is actually correct that major news outlets giving anonymity to people whose sole purpose is to trash political opponents is garbage. Regardless of what side of the isle they come from.

Just sayin...

Posted by: unymark | November 1, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

quarterback, don't you know that it's a COMPLIMENT to be considered unqualified for the Presidency, especially if all you were before that was a community organizer?

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

nisleib, exactly.

I was snarking on the word "create", as that is often reserved for God(s) (cf. Blankfein, Lloyd) and artistic endeavors.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 1, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

unymark, if she's "correct" why throw in the crying crocodile tears remark? She can't legitimately be making the same exact point you are making (except that "aisle" is spelled with an "a")?

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

What about Greg Sargent using one anonymous source to trash Rand Paul? Did you think that was okay?

Posted by: clawrence12 | November 1, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Liam wrote:

"Some of the worst leaders in history were full of "drive"."

However there are no leaders good or bad without it.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

nisleib wrote:

"I kindly disagree. If one can't develop drive then why do we pay people so much to do just that? The assumption behind paying executives millions in bonus' and stock options is that by doing so we will get them to work harder than they otherwise would."

I would characterize that as hustlers taking advantage of marks. At that level, they are always self starters, but money is their method for keeping score. They know how to separate you and I from it.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

theorajones wrote:

"Half-term governor of a state that's smaller than some Congressional districts? Um, wow.

Sarah Palin is Al Sharpton. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. She's a self-created caricature."

LOL I'll leave the Sharpton thing alone, since it was the Democratic Party to which I belong that allowed him on stage as a supposed serious candidate in Presidential Primary Debates.

So why wouldn't you like someone who manages to push a big tax increase on oil companies through her legislature to fund state government? It sounds like a great solution to funding the health care legislation, doesn't it?

And to those who say that's no accomplishment at all, I will remind you that this nation is still governed by the Mining Act of 1872 which means the Feds get no royalties at all on gold, silver etc. because these companies are too powerful to take on.

Posted by: 54465446 | November 1, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin - It's impressive I've seen 37th&O cycle through 3 identities today. Perhaps Post IT will get some of the resources it needs. I've been holding off on other measures, but it looks like I'll need to start installing some blockers. Losing Jake will be a pleasant side-effect.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | November 1, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Translation: Palin wants to cry whenever people want actual explanations from her.

She is too stupid to ever debate something of substance

Posted by: Bious | November 1, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Reading Democrat's post anytime anything is written about Palin is enlightening. Their utter hatred for her oozes from their keyboards.

But one inarguable, uncomfortable fact for Democrats remains. Bash Palin all you want, she's still more qualified to be President than Obama was when you nominated him.

To me, that says more about Obama than it does about Palin, but you can make your own decision whether that fact makes Palin look better, or Obama look worse. Either way, Palin wins...and for it, Democrats will continue hating her with unrestrained passion.

Posted by: dbw1 | November 2, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

dbw1:

Gov. Palin is still more qualified to be President than Obama IS two years into the job!

Posted by: JakeD2 | November 2, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

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