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Posted at 1:41 PM ET, 11/18/2010

Will Tea Party settle for anything less than full repeal?

By Greg Sargent

So it appears that Mitch McConnell compared Obamacare to "tyranny" in a speech this morning to a conservative law group, and promised that the GOP would hold hearings designed to spotlight the evils of health care reform:

"By preventing the accumulation of excessive power, the Constitution is designed to reduce the risk of tyranny or abuse at either the Federal or state levels," McConnell told the audience of conservative legal scholars. "The health care bill would remove an important bulwark of this protection."...

Despite continuing in the minority after the Nov. 2 elections, McConnell said his caucus will do its best to, as the tea party so often put it, "kill the bill" when it comes to heath care reform.

"We will make the case for repeal through vigorous oversight and votes on full repeal of this terrible bill," McConnell said, "even as we vote to eliminate its worst parts."

What's interesting here is that McConnell surely knows he has a major dilemma on his hands. The Tea Partyers that helped propel GOP gains in Congress are going to continue to agitate for full repeal of Obamacare -- or else. Yet McConnell also surely knows that this isn't going to happen, for a whole host of reasons that have been documented all over the place.

McConnell, it seems, is hoping to compensate for this coming disappointment by acting every bit as zealous as the Tea Party is about overturning Obamacare. He's throwing around Tea Partyish language about "tyranny," joining the lawsuit to overturn health reform even though it is bogus on the merits, and promising a big show of hearings that will supposedly reveal Obamacare's dark and dastardly secrets.

Indeed, as David Frum notes, in the real world Republicans are not likely to go through with defunding the popular provisions in health reform, and will instead have to rely on a series of "stunts" designed to make it appear as if they are bringing the hammer down on Obamacare.

Will all this noise and drama be enough to placate the Tea Partyers or distract them from the failure of full repeal? We shall see...

By Greg Sargent  | November 18, 2010; 1:41 PM ET
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Greg, I think it's partly to prevent a possible insurrection by Paul and DeMint. Hence his strong stance against the administration. Note, compare his stance with Boehner's. I don't think Boehner's signed on with the courts, has he?

Posted by: calchala | November 18, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

calchala, I thought I did see Boehner did sign on with the courts

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Tea Partiers will have to explain why they're so eager to let more people die by lack of health care.

Isn't the situation embarrassing enough already without piling on it and look like colossal fools?

Posted by: grosmec | November 18, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

A certain political party in a certain Western, developed nation just discovered that it was a bad idea to spend an inordinate amount of time messing around with HCR while the economy was in the crapper. I wonder if another political party in a certain Western, developed nation will be any smarter about this?

Posted by: klautsack | November 18, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

NO

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

House Minority Leader John Boehner’s (R-OH) passionate opposition to the notion that all Americans should be able to afford health care was apparent long before his orange-faced “Hell No You Can’t!” rant against the Affordable Care Act, so it should come as no surprise that he has signed an amicus brief challenging the ACA. Anyone who is actually familiar with the Constitution, however, would be quite surprised by the arguments Boehner’s brief makes. Indeed, the presumptive Speaker-elect appears to have invented an entirely new theory of the Constitution out of thin air in order to claim that the ACA is unconstitutional.

Boehner’s brief essentially asks a Florida trial judge to rewrite the Necessary and Proper Clause to place a new an unheard of limit on Congressional authority. Under Boehner’s reasoning, a law can only be enacted under the Necessary and Proper power if some other law would become “legally ineffective” without it. Needless to say, Boehner fails to cite a single case supporting this claim.

The reason why Boehner can’t find such a case is because none exists. There is, however, a Supreme Court case called Sabri v. United States, which completely eviscerates Boehner’s legal claim. In Sabri, the Supreme Court held that — even though there is nothing in the Constitution expressly authorizing Congress to enact an anti-bribery law — Congress may still invoke its Necessary and Proper power to forbid people from bribing state officials in order to protect federal money that is entrusted to the states. Under Boehner’s reasoning, Sabri could not have come down the way that it did, since an anti-bribery law is hardly essential to making a grant of money to the states “legally effective.”

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/11/17/boehner-amicus/

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't the situation embarrassing enough already without piling on it and look like colossal fools?"

Stop it, this is serious. Sheesh, everybody's a comedian.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 18, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The Arrogance of Obama


In the health care summit, Obama was asked many times to start from scratch and negotiate out the whole health care bill.

Obama responded with Arrogance, saying if you had any "ideas" he would think about them and "throw them in."


That is not bipartisanship or working with the other side. It certainly is not compromise.


At the very LEAST, the bill has to be scrapped, and REPEALED - then perhaps a compromise can be worked out from scratch.


For the past few weeks, I have been advocating Obama doing JUST THAT THIS WINTER.

Doing it this winter would allow Obama to have substantial influence over the NEW COMPROMISE.

Politically, it would help Obama tremendously, because it would help his re-election prospects and blunt the impact of the health care plan on the 2012 elections.


Right now the health care plan is a thorn for 2012.


The costs of the health care plan has to be drastically brought down - the additional benefits have to be stripped down.

Perhaps "catostrophic" health insurance should be universal, and the rest be options of benefits.


This course would give Obama a chance to claim he compromised -


But Obama needs to have a compromise to claim that, NOT one or two Republican votes thrown in - but a genuine compromise with the Republican leadership.


Obama would be wise to put health care on the table this winter - and make dramatic changes.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

klautsack, the Republicans know that, but unlike Democrats, they are willing to take political risks. Besides, do they have a choice? Since they don't have an actual agenda, you know, for the economy, they can't exactly bring nothing to the 2012 elections.
No inspiration, no positive outlook. The plan is to keep stoking anger, displace issues, keep the fear alive. And it isn't as if voters are tired of the act.

Posted by: shrink2 | November 18, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

How can Obama's people get a conviction on "destroying government property" and not get a conviction on the murder of 224 people, including 12 Americans ???


Logically, one has to wonder, because it appears that those two were results of the same acts.

Forget it - it is time for Obama to abandon the civilian courts for the Gitmo terrorism suspects.

In addition, we are at war.


Obama has to stop pretending that the nation is at war. I know Obama at one point was forced to actually say we were "at war" however his policies really do not actually reflect that.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"Will all this noise and drama be enough to placate the Tea Partyers or distract them from the failure of full repeal?"

It may simply be that it further fires them up to get GOP control of the Senate and the Presidency. Then they can repeal it.

Alternatively, what does it matter if it placates them? What are they gonna do - vote for Democrats? They might replace a few aged white male incumbents - who's got a problem with that?

Posted by: sbj3 | November 18, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

They might replace a few aged white male incumbents - who's got a problem with that?

Posted by: sbj3 | November 18, 2010 2:23 PM


My guess is that those "aged white male incumbents," like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner and most of the GOP caucus, might have a problem with it and that's the point. Those folks care only about 2 things ... 1. destroy President Obama and 2. get re-elected. Accomplishing number 1 while failing at number 2 would make them very sad.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Is it wrong for a Buddhist to take the Christmas holiday, or should he come in to work anyway while everyone else is gone? Or is it hypocritical for a British citizen working in the U.S. to take Independence Day off the job?

Of course not; they are merely operating according to the current rules, even if they think the rules could be greatly improved.

We have a state-run lottery which provides college scholarships. I think it is wrong for a state to be in the lottery business; I also think the gambling is very destructive to poor families. I would vote for the discontinuation of both the lottery and the scholarships. While both are in effect, though, I have my college-age children take full advantage of the scholarship - and I do not feel the least bit bad about it. It is the current law.

I think the federal income tax code is a travesty, and almost every portion past page number 10 is probably a concession to some special interest group that should be discontinued. I take, nevertheless, the deduction for mortgage interest and any other legal deduction I can determine. I do not feel bad about it. It is the law.

There is nothing wrong with a representative taking every benefit he can personally get out of "ObamaCare" or any other stupid federal entitlement while working with all his might to repeal it. There is nothing wrong with a state squeezing every dollar it can get out of the federal budget, while its representatives are actively working to cut such "benefits". One must do the best he can under bad law, even while working for better law. Only when he encounters disobedience to higher law should he deliberately break a bad law, with full awareness of the possible consequences.

Slaves know that slavery is wrong, but will eat the master's food while planning their escapes. After all, they more than earned it.

Posted by: MKS1 | November 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Greg writes:

Will all this noise and drama be enough to placate the Tea Partyers or distract them from the failure of full repeal? We shall see...


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This statement is ridiculous

Everyone in the Tea Party understands that Obama has to be run out of office and the Republicans need to take control of the Senate in order for FULL REPEAL TO HAPPEN.


So, we set our sights on 2012 - and work in that direction.


Nothing has "failed" Obama wasn't up for re-election.


The Tea Party is a MASSIVE SUCCESS.

GREG

Why don't you go down to the House office buildings and see all the staff packing up their desks - and tell us that anything "failed"


You are being extremely foolish by saying things like this.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

@prag: "Those folks care only about 2 things ... 1. destroy President Obama and 2. get re-elected. Accomplishing number 1 while failing at number 2 would make them very sad."

Who gives a darn? This post is about the Tea Partyers. And I'm with them if it means getting fresh blood in there that actually works for the public good. I have no special love for McConnell or Reid or Pelosi or Boner. I think most people are like that - they want government to "work" and it hasn't been working lately.

Posted by: sbj3 | November 18, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

They might replace a few aged white male incumbents - who's got a problem with that?

Posted by: sbj3 | November 18, 2010 2:23 PM

_________________________________


I've got a problem with that AND most of the American People have a problem with it.


This is a bigoted statement -


And you imply that people should vote on the basis of race, gender and age.


We need a color-blind society


YOU have become everything that you HATE

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

All, this is potentially big: House Dems WILL hold vote on just the middle class tax cuts:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/dems_will_vote_on_just_middle.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | November 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

But the point of the post is whether McConnell, Boehner and the rest of the GOP will keep the tea partiers happy (and get re-elected) by undertaking the fake left/go right approach to legislating. In other words, can the GOP old white guys deceive the tea partiers into re-electing them?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | November 18, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The point is this:


Obama NEVER settled for anything less than what he wanted.


Despite ALL the commitments Obama made during his campaign


AND let liberals like Greg talk like the Tea Party has some obligation to compromise. It is really hypocritical and it causes the nation to be repulsed.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Grosmec said -
"Tea Partiers will have to explain why they're so eager to let more people die by lack of health care."

It will be easy to explain, since they are all sociopaths, without a conscience, and only absorbed in their own well being. I heard on the news during lunch that the House failed to extend the unemployment benefits. 800,000 more people will have their benefits end in the next two weeks because the House couldn't get a two thirds majority. No doubt many of the lame duck Blue Dogs are the ones to thank. This signals that the votes aren't going to be there to de-couple the 98% and 2% tax cuts.

Posted by: filmnoia | November 18, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@prag: "But the point of the post is whether McConnell, Boehner and the rest of the GOP will keep the tea partiers happy (and get re-elected) by undertaking the fake left/go right approach to legislating. In other words, can the GOP old white guys deceive the tea partiers into re-electing them?"

Yes, you are correct. My opinion is that two years from now the Tea Partyers will be just as powerful but far more "practical", that they will be happy to get rid of RINOs but will keep "effective" GOPers (in other words, they won't be fooled so much as recognize that they were wrong to expect the impossible), that they will probably replace a few of the old guard but not too many. I think it might come down to their position on one key vote, like HCR this year or the stimulus. Don't know what that vote will be yet...

Posted by: sbj3 | November 18, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Boehner should immediately devise a series of votes in January which will embarass the democrats

And send all the bills to the Senate


Difficult votes are now coming in two directions.

The democrats can have their fun now, but come January it will be coming right back at them.


It is disgraceful and shameful - this is the same as the Fin Reg bill - there is no compromise

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Tyranny? When Sen. McConnell gets his talking points from Rep. Bachmann, things are getting absurd.

Posted by: mattintx | November 18, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Tea Partiers will have to explain why they're so eager to let more people die by lack of health care."

Especially given recent reports about the insurance industry funding the opposition to HCR to the tune of DOZENS of millions of dollars.

"""[AHIP] gave $86.2 million toward the chamber's media and lobbying blitz against President Obama's health-care legislation in 2009 even as it was pledging general support for the idea of reform, according to tax records and sources familiar with the gift.

[...]

"We did this through public opinion polling, nationwide grassroots, national advertising, events throughout the country and significant earned media outreach."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/17/AR2010111706325.html

Yeah...

"Nationwide grassroots"...

There you have it, folks.

That right there is the cold, frank admission that the insurance industry bank-rolled Teapublican astroturf opposition to HCR.

Game. Set. Match.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | November 18, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

It might work. Tea Baggers are pretty dumb. See Palin, Sarah.

Posted by: jrw1 | November 18, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

klautsack | November 18, 2010 2:00 PM


Great reasoning - except I don't believe they have discovered anything.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I heard a report this week where one of the new Congressmen-elect, I believe his name was Harris was up in arms when he found out HIS FEDERAL health insurance did not go into effect until 28 days after he is sworn in! He went into a rage at his indoctrination meeting over his plight!

I don't know which state he is from, but he is a doctor who campaigned on repealing Obamacare! NOW, he is complaining HE has NO health insurance for 28 days, and wanted to know if he couldn'r buy government health insurance for himself until then!!!

Do you realize that this man wants the public option, the very thing he campaigned AGAINST for millions of Americans who have no health insurance?

SO GOES THE DUMB TEA PARTIERS, WHO ARE FED A BUNCH OF CRAP BY WEALTHY DONORS IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY THAT THEY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND!

How embarrassing for the Tea Partiers!

Posted by: cashmere1 | November 18, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Is it wrong for a Buddhist to take the Christmas holiday, or should he come in to work anyway while everyone else is gone? Or is it hypocritical for a British citizen working in the U.S. to take Independence Day off the job?

Of course not; they are merely operating according to the current rules, even if they think the rules could be greatly improved.

We have a state-run lottery which provides college scholarships. I think it is wrong for a state to be in the lottery business; I also think the gambling is very destructive to poor families. I would vote for the discontinuation of both the lottery and the scholarships. While both are in effect, though, I have my college-age children take full advantage of the scholarship - and I do not feel the least bit bad about it. It is the current law.
Posted by: MKS1 | November 18, 2010 2:30 PM

******************************************************************************

Nice try. The Buddhist doesn't think it's wrong for people to celebrate Christmas, and the Brit doesn't think it's wrong for people to celebrate Independence Day. Therefore, neither is compromising his or her values by observing those holidays at the direction of their employers. However, you claim to think the lottery IS wrong, yet you're happy to compromise your values to take advantage of the system for financial gain, even though no one is directing you to do so. That makes you a hypocrite.

Posted by: sonny2 | November 18, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

It becomes quite clear that the Party of Tea and the Party of Hell NO absolutely do not understand the Health Care Bill that passed (with little or no help from the Party of HELL NO). There is an old saying about "the nose, spite, and the face." It applies 100% to the aforementioned parties.

Posted by: rbsher | November 18, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing just kills me. As far as I can tell, every other civilized country in the free world guarantees health care for all of its citizens. But the US? No, not us. But what really kills me is all of these bashers, every single last one of them that I know personally, calls themself a Christian. Do they give money to charity? Nope. Volunteer? Nope. So they don't object to health care just because they don't want the government to administer it. They just honest to God do not care about anyone that doesn't have it. In their minds, if you want health care, you just have to land a job that has it. If you're a ditchdigger or some other job that doesn't offer it or pay you enough to buy it yourself - tough. If your family doesn't have enough money to buy it for you - tough. Some people are just more deserving of life than other people.

Posted by: duhneese | November 18, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Only in America---the one Western nation where some of the leaders ('tea baggers') come into power demanding free, public supported health care while seeking to deny it to the masses. Elitism at its worst.

Posted by: fairness3 | November 18, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

What a joke. Twenty percent of the country thinks they an dictate to all the rest.

They don't have the votes to repeal.

Even if they did have the votes, they would never have enough to override a veto.

McConnell is scared ****less by the those yahoos. I hope he keeps taking orders from them so we can all have a good laugh at his expense and at the expense of the ding-dongs in the Tea Party when they find out how much power they really have - nada.

Posted by: st50taw | November 18, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Dangerous thing about wildfires is the bigger they becom, the more unpredictable their outcome.. Instead of exercising the leadership he knows he should, the old fool McConnell shows up with more gasoline. It will consume him in the end, too.

Posted by: tzem | November 18, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse


David Frum has his own ax to grind after being fired from American Enterprise Institute earlier this year. Fired over ... health care reform. Frum hardly represents the popular uprising that swept 62 Dims out of power in the House. He certainly does not speak for the 62 new Republicans.

Posted by: screwjob22 | November 18, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

FTA
Will all this noise and drama be enough to placate the Tea Partyers or distract them from the failure of full repeal?
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Of course noise and drama will be enough to placate them. After all, the Tea Party is all about noise and drama - I mean just look at the hyperbolic language they use about absolutely everything; Obama's a neo Nazi-Communist, the healthcare bill is equal to tyranny, etc. not to mention the violent revolutionary language they love to throw around, i.e. "lock & load"

Frankly I'm surprised they haven't compared the healthcare bill to the Holocaust yet.

Every time I hear the phrase "Tea Party" I can't help but think of the famous Shakespeare line; "It is a tale told by idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"

Posted by: cjpotter19 | November 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The point is this:


Obama NEVER settled for anything less than what he wanted.


Despite ALL the commitments Obama made during his campaign


AND let liberals like Greg talk like the Tea Party has some obligation to compromise. It is really hypocritical and it causes the nation to be repulsed.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution

RedTeaRevolution: You eloquently display your ignorance. Or is just intellectual dishonesty?

Posted by: rcasero | November 18, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The point is this:


Obama NEVER settled for anything less than what he wanted.


Despite ALL the commitments Obama made during his campaign


AND let liberals like Greg talk like the Tea Party has some obligation to compromise. It is really hypocritical and it causes the nation to be repulsed.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution

RedTeaRevolution: You eloquently display your ignorance. Or is just intellectual dishonesty?

Posted by: rcasero | November 18, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

correction: Or is it just intellectual dishonesty?

Posted by: rcasero | November 18, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone else noticed they never say what is wrong with the law? They just get away with calling it obamacare and socialism and nobody asks why. I heard McConnell on NPR give some incoherent reasoning about the law not including the ability to buy insurance across state lines. What infuriates them about it so much? The only things I see worth criticizing are the individual mandate and expansion of medicare. Am I missing something?

Posted by: hdimig | November 18, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think your average Tea Party member would be surprised to see Republicans introduce repeal in the House, and have it blocked in the senate, or thrown back by presidential veto. What is expected is an attempt to repeal. Once that is made, those who opposed repeal will be identified and removed from office by the electorate in 2012. It is unbelievably naive to think that Obama and the progressive left in the Senate will support repeal. The very fact that the House Democrats picked the face of the hard left to represent them as minority leader in the house shows how impossibly deaf they have been to the will of the electorate.

Posted by: Wiggan | November 18, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have no intention of repealing health reform. they got practically everything they wanted in the bill to begin with, and managed to make Obama look bad passing it over their united opposition. but more importantly, they have no idea what they would do instead. health insurance costs would continue to skyrocket without covering the uninsured who could be paying a ton toward the cost of insurance but have none because they can't pay the full cost. Republicans have no plan for full coverage. Just for starters, if they repeal, they have to give hospitals back the 250 billion they gave up in bad debt reimbursement in return for 32 million more insured. All of the nations hospitals are filing a brief in the lawsuit supporting the bill.

Posted by: JoeT1 | November 18, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

i think the average american, who does not spend time writing posts in the washington post or watch slanted cable news shows, including cnn, msnbc and fox, do want some type of health care for their families. i was hit with some horrific medical bills and thank god for my insurance, i did not have to go bankrupt to pay my bills. i the angriest and loudest persons are the minority and they, and the media, have made it appear as though huge segments of the population oppose health care.

i think it will be a rude awakening when this "stringency and stinginess" by the tea party becomes policy and things we took for granted will be snatched from under us. services like waste removal, snow removal and having leaves vacuum from the curb will be paid by the homeowner since taxes will be drastically cut or non-existent. wait and see: be careful what you ask for in anger, you just might get it.

Posted by: glenknowles | November 18, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't think your average Tea Party member would be surprised to see Republicans introduce repeal in the House, and have it blocked in the senate, or thrown back by presidential veto. What is expected is an attempt to repeal. Once that is made, those who opposed repeal will be identified and removed from office by the electorate in 2012. It is unbelievably naive to think that Obama and the progressive left in the Senate will support repeal.
Posted by: Wiggan | November 18, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse
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I'm glad you realize that is just a pipe dream, at least until 2012 at the very least.

I actually saw people say that after the midterms Obama and the Democrats in the Senate or House would have to repeal it or else face losing their jobs as a result - remark that caused me to laugh and roll my eyes.

Last time I checked people were split pretty evenly in regard to their support of the health-care bill. If Obama and the Democrats in congress caved to the GOP controlled House and repealed the very bill they fought so hard for they would completely alienate their supporters - I mean why support someone if they're going to completely cave to the minority? Why support someone so spineless that they fail to champion your views in the face of a determined opposition? For Obama and the Democrats to support repeal would be the true death of the Democratic party, not if they continue to support it.

I thought that statement was a perfect example of how many in the Tea Party fail to acknowledge that their are other viewpoints out there besides their own and that despite what they may believe they don't speak for all of America.

Posted by: cjpotter19 | November 18, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is a MASSIVE SUCCESS.

GREG

Why don't you go down to the House office buildings and see all the staff packing up their desks - and tell us that anything "failed"


You are being extremely foolish by saying things like this.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Yup, tell that to Joe Miller or Christine O'Donnell.

The Tea Party is nothing but a bunch of whining older white men. I learned all I needed to know about the tea party when I saw their first rally in downtown Houston. As I was going home with a paycheck with a few extra bucks in it, thanks to President Obama's cutting of the payroll tax rate, I saw a whole bunch of people carrying signs protesting tax increses. I think it was pretty fair to assume that most of them were'nt making enough money to avoid that particular tax cut. So, for those of you that miss the point of this story - tea partiers don't live in the real world.

And please, always remember, and don't forget; that's why tea parties are for little girls.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 18, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

50 percent of those who voted in the midterm, and 60% of folks overall in a more recent poll, are against repeal. so now whose turn is it to listen to the voice of the people?

Posted by: JoeT1 | November 18, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

WHY DON'T REPUBLICAN OPPONENTS OF HEALTHCARE REFORM REFUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE AND GET PRIVATE INSURANCE IF GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE IS SO "SOCIALIST"?

hypocritical jerks just don't want everyone else to have what they have

Posted by: lemondog | November 18, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

This is where it gets really ugly with two tails wagging the same dog!

The Tea Party is pushing the GOP to Repeal Obamacare because it reduces competition in the healthcare industry while Healthcare Insurance giant Cigna, CEO, David Cordani, said publicly that the GOP should back off and leave Obamacare in place.

Posted by: Citi__Street | November 18, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

This is where it gets really ugly with two tails wagging the same dog!

The Tea Party is pushing the GOP to Repeal Obamacare because it reduces competition in the healthcare industry while Healthcare Insurance giant Cigna, CEO, David Cordani, said publicly that the GOP should back off and leave Obamacare in place.

Posted by: Citi__Street | November 18, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I think our republican reps need to tell the fringe elements in the party where they can stick it. They won in spite of- not because of- the big mouths of Rand Paul and Sarah Palin. Their win does not indicate that Americans shifted their views to the far right- we didn't.

We voted the Dems out of power because we were sick of one-party rule. The two party system waters down our decision to choosing between two stereotypes, and when Dems had all three houses we saw the liberal stereotype played outt to the extreme. I voted republican to bring back some checks and balances.

If the Repubs get too fringey, if they act like conservative stereotypes, if they overplay their win and represent their party rather than their people, they will also get the boot.

Bullying a bad health care bill through congress was a huge mistake for the dems, and and it showed how dangerous one-party rule can be, but repealing it cannot happen. A repeal would require control of all three houses, or a 2/3 majority of BOTH houses of congress. Not going to happen, and if the repubs go out of their way to pursue this white whale, they will make the mistake the dems made. They will be seen as conservative stereotypes representing their party rather than their people.

Posted by: jeff20 | November 18, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

My family's benefits under healthcare reform kick in Jan.1. If you go after them I will fight against your candidates with a vengance in the next election.

Posted by: skania1 | November 18, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

My family's benefits under healthcare reform kick in Jan.1. If you go after them I will fight against your candidates with a vengance in the next election.

Posted by: skania1 | November 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse


Monday, November 15, 2010:

Voters continue to favor repeal of the new national health care plan, and most continue to believe the law will be bad for the country overall.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law. Thirty-seven percent (37%) oppose repeal. These findings include 46% who Strongly Favor Repeal and 30% who Strongly Oppose it.

Posted by: screwjob22 | November 18, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me what cuts the Republicans/Tea Party people are proposing. And don't just say waste, fraud, and abuse. What discretionary programs (and non-discretionary items) will be cut? If you want to leave Defense, Intelligence, and Social Security out of it, then what will you cut? The FBI? The IRS? The National Parks? Specifics please. We have a large deficit to address.

Posted by: Larry66 | November 18, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

ha ha ha, the GOP has to live with these morons. Made your bed, with the bugs, now live in it GOP!

Posted by: johng1 | November 18, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I am a tea partier and what we want is the abolishment of the health care bill and to make permanent the tax cuts for the rich. THAT is the American way.

Posted by: vidusa | November 18, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

With teabaggers amongst us we don't need the Taliban or al Qaeda. These people are bent on total destruction of our society.

And you thought Newter's Contract On America was bad. These people want to destroy everything we have left, which isn't much even as third-world nations go.

Posted by: BigTrees | November 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I am a tea partier and what we want is the abolishment of the health care bill and to make permanent the tax cuts for the rich. THAT is the American way.

Posted by: vidusa | November 18, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I am a tea partier and what we want is the abolishment of the health care bill and to make permanent the tax cuts for the rich. THAT is the American way.

Posted by: vidusa | November 18, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Boehner should immediately devise a series of votes in January which will embarass the democrats

And send all the bills to the Senate


Difficult votes are now coming in two directions.

The democrats can have their fun now, but come January it will be coming right back at them.


It is disgraceful and shameful - this is the same as the Fin Reg bill - there is no compromise

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 3:02 PM"
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So, is that the true Tea Party agenda, to embarrass Democrats? It almost sounds like you couldn't care less about the country, but that you're just out for blood. This is probably why I have yet to see one real plan offered by the Tea Party or Republicans. The only plan I have seen or read about by the Tea Party is to kick out all Democrats in 2012, effectively turning this country into a one-party corporate rule.

We saw how well that turned out for us between 2000 - 2006.

I've got a better idea. Rather than trying to screw this country over again, why not offer real solutions to health care. If you don't want a universal health care plan, why not offer a solution to the REAL problem -- the cost of health care (as opposed to insuring all Americans.)

What about illegal immigration? Again, going back to total Republican control between 2000-2006, I saw no solutions, just two wars and going from a budget surplus to a major deficit. No attempts at all, whatsoever, to fix any of the problems with six years of complete control.

And you wonder why I don't trust ANY political party?

Posted by: ClandestineBlaze | November 18, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Well since the tea party is just the extreme right wing of the GOP then the short answer is yes it will be enough. Not because they're the extreme right wing but because they also happen to be the easily misled extreme right wing. It's an interesting paradigm with the party right now since they just bought their way into power on a platform of misinformation.....they probably aren't figuring out methods to legislate, but more methods to mislead and keep the momentum going for two years without having to actually do their job in the House.

Posted by: theobserver4 | November 18, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

TO: RedTeaRevolution who wrote:
"The Arrogance of Obama
In the health care summit, Obama was asked many times to start from scratch and negotiate out the whole health care bill."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's all it's about with the wackos -- their hubris.

You're keeping your eyes tightly closed to the fact that Republicans not only took millions but continue to take millions from insurance companies to stack the deck against the American People.

But then, you're not even on your own side, you'd gladly give up all your rights for your corporate mother who disowned you long ago and adopted corporate profits instead.


Posted by: lindalovejones | November 18, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

It will be fun to see the GOP in the rock and hard place situation they deserve. If they don't work for full repeal of the healthcare reform, some of their base will go bannanas, but if they do, there will be a large number of people who have benefitted from the reform even now--who previously had "pre-existing illsses" and can now get insurance or who can now keep their college students on the parents' insurance--who will cut the GOP loose so fast you can't believe it.

You might not have to take much responsibility if you just shout "NO!" as Republicans have done the last two years. But now they have to stand up and be counted.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | November 18, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Vidusa, get a life. If your warped teabagged view is the American Way, then you are a traitor and an idiot.

Posted by: c_attucks | November 18, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh c'mon, this lying to the voters stuff is old news for politicians. Sure, we'll put everybody on health care, sure, we'll make abortion illegal, sure, we'll stop the war, sure, we'll cut spending,

sure, we politicians are looking out for you suckers ... I mean voters ... (did that go out over the air? oh sht)

Posted by: eezmamata | November 18, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party, in its infinite stupidity, seems to have trouble with basic math.

You can't overturn anything. Got it? You have the House. You don't have the Senate. You don't have the veto pen.

All that you're doing, and I find it unsurprising and wonderful, is finally showing the American public what you domestic terrorists are capable of: Nothing.

Obstructionists, anti-Constitutional liars and haters. You will accomplish nothing but what you did that last two years.

Get used to it. The Tea Party tide crested two months ago. You're on your way down.

Posted by: 2229 | November 18, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This statement is ridiculous

Everyone in the Tea Party understands that Obama has to be run out of office and the Republicans need to take control of the Senate in order for FULL REPEAL TO HAPPEN.


So, we set our sights on 2012 - and work in that direction.


Nothing has "failed" Obama wasn't up for re-election.


The Tea Party is a MASSIVE SUCCESS.

GREG

Why don't you go down to the House office buildings and see all the staff packing up their desks - and tell us that anything "failed"


You are being extremely foolish by saying things like this.

Posted by: RedTeaRevolution | November 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse


Love your work. Ever since the last Harry Potter book I've been wondering who the next great fantasist would be.

Posted by: Bridge3263 | November 18, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The Affordable Care Act creates new incentives for insurance companies to be more efficient and ensure that the premiums are used to pay for medical care rather than excessive and unnecessary administrative costs, such as huge executive bonuses. They must direct about 80 percent of their premium dollars to services that improve health care quality.

That's why they spent millions of dollars backing Tea Party and other groups to elect Republicans who would try to kill the bill despite the fact that it will lower the deficit they pretend to care so much about.

If they actually cared about lowering the deficit, they'd be opposed to continuing the tax cuts for the wealthiest, which will create no jobs and increase the deficit $700 billion. That money could be spent, instead, on upgrading dangerous bridges, highways, schools, etc.

The Tea Party lobbied against their own best interests to benefit the wealthy and corporations that pay no taxes.

Posted by: BettyW1 | November 18, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

vidusa: "I am a tea partier and what we want is the abolishment of the health care bill and to make permanent the tax cuts for the rich. THAT is the American way."

Rich people are going to die soon if they keep it up, vidusa honey, you can count on it.

As for making rich people rich permanently, or overturning health care, it's impossible. You don't have the votes. From your post, you don't have the brains either.

This congressional term will accomplish nothing but the usual Republican obstructionism.

I have to thank the Tea Party for one thing: turning Mitch McConnell into a snivelling coward, bowing to the Teas. Quite humorous. Mr. Plantation Owner, with zero power.

Posted by: 2229 | November 18, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The GOP has been leading the rubes around by the nose for decades. Fooling them on this issue should just be business as normal.

After all, who but Fox News thinks for the teabaggers? And who but the GOP thinks for Fox News? The rubes may be noisy, but in the end their obedient to the dictates of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, who take their marching orders directly from the GOP.

Posted by: Deirdre_K | November 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that Tea Partiers are against the very health care that their elected Tea Partiers are going to get? Why is it ok to let the rest of America die, when they get to live then tell the rest of us we are a bunch of freeloaders because we want goverment REGULATED healthcare? I want the blood sucking pigs who feast on your illnesses, to be heavily REGULATED. I want them to be ACCOUNTABLE to people who are ELECTED and can be UNELECTED!! Why on earth would you think that insurance companies who only care about profit are going to care more about your health than the government? I'll take the government ANY day over the corporations whose main goal is to deny you care at any cost. They don't care you, your family, or anything else other than return on investment. You think Obama is going to NOT veto any attempt at repeal? The Tea Party needs to get a quarter for the clue machine. By the time the next election cycle is upon us, the rest of America will be tired of your hate, bigotry and sutpidity and radical right facism. Then hopefully we will elect thoughtful people who are serious about solving our serious problems rather than being a tool of the Re-thuglican party to remove a duly elected President, one elected by a serious majority of this country. Any Rethugliucan who refuses to work with President Obama to solve our problems is shirking thrie duty to America and to our people. Further, if the Republicans do not stop obstructing, we Democrats are getting serious pointers on how we can do the same kind of obstruction once your President gets into the White House. What goes around comes around.

Posted by: jacquie1 | November 18, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that Tea Partiers are against the very health care that their elected Tea Partiers are going to get? Why is it ok to let the rest of America die, when they get to live then tell the rest of us we are a bunch of freeloaders because we want goverment REGULATED healthcare? I want the blood sucking pigs who feast on your illnesses, to be heavily REGULATED. I want them to be ACCOUNTABLE to people who are ELECTED and can be UNELECTED!! Why on earth would you think that insurance companies who only care about profit are going to care more about your health than the government? I'll take the government ANY day over the corporations whose main goal is to deny you care at any cost. They don't care you, your family, or anything else other than return on investment. You think Obama is going to NOT veto any attempt at repeal? The Tea Party needs to get a quarter for the clue machine. By the time the next election cycle is upon us, the rest of America will be tired of your hate, bigotry and sutpidity and radical right facism. Then hopefully we will elect thoughtful people who are serious about solving our serious problems rather than being a tool of the Re-thuglican party to remove a duly elected President, one elected by a serious majority of this country. Any Rethugliucan who refuses to work with President Obama to solve our problems is shirking thrie duty to America and to our people. Further, if the Republicans do not stop obstructing, we Democrats are getting serious pointers on how we can do the same kind of obstruction once your President gets into the White House. What goes around comes around.

Posted by: jacquie1 | November 18, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

It's laughably transparent that the GOP is doing to the Tea Party what it did - and continues to do - to the religious right: Talk a good game to get elected, then throw them under the bus.

The Tea Party, despite the flattery and pandering it has received, is not and never will be the constituency represented by the GOP.

No matter how often Republicans appear in front of the cameras with their starched flannel shirts and pose for photo ops with pickup trucks, you can be sure it's Wall Street that's on their speed dials.

Tea Party - they're laughing at you.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | November 18, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Health care costs will continue to increase by 8-10% per year, and 1/2 the country will soon be without, if health reform is done away with. The Republicants response will then be, DON'T GET SICK!

Posted by: COLEBRACKETT | November 18, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Let's make deal. Repeal Obamacare and repeal the requirement that hospital emergency rooms treat everyone regardless of their ability to pay.

Posted by: Frazil | November 18, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The following statement is interesting, but I disagree with voting a group in that is not interested in the supporting the 98% of Americans that are suffering. This is not the time to create balance. We need the tilt to the left to recover from the 8 years of Republican rule that wiped our the middle class and destroyed our finacial status. He can return to balance power after whe have a recovery period. I think the Dems were just trying to help the suffering. Besode the Republicans are rich they don't understand the average American and more importantly they don't care.

_________________________________

I think our republican reps need to tell the fringe elements in the party where they can stick it. They won in spite of- not because of- the big mouths of Rand Paul and Sarah Palin. Their win does not indicate that Americans shifted their views to the far right- we didn't.

We voted the Dems out of power because we were sick of one-party rule. The two party system waters down our decision to choosing between two stereotypes, and when Dems had all three houses we saw the liberal stereotype played outt to the extreme. I voted republican to bring back some checks and balances.

If the Repubs get too fringey, if they act like conservative stereotypes, if they overplay their win and represent their party rather than their people, they will also get the boot.

Bullying a bad health care bill through congress was a huge mistake for the dems, and and it showed how dangerous one-party rule can be, but repealing it cannot happen. A repeal would require control of all three houses, or a 2/3 majority of BOTH houses of congress. Not going to happen, and if the repubs go out of their way to pursue this white whale, they will make the mistake the dems made. They will be seen as conservative stereotypes representing their party rather than their people.

Posted by: slovelace | November 18, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Where was the tea party when Bush expanded Medicare with the drug benefit? And does any of its members lack health insurance like their fellow americans (50 mil)? What a bunch of hypocrictial mean spirited people.

Posted by: doughintz1 | November 18, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The GOP Tea Party plan to overturn Obamacare is the Republican version of building another bridge to nowhere!

Posted by: Citi__Street | November 18, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I know you so called conservatives have hitched your wagon to the stupidity that the health care bill is socialism blah blah blah but are you people aware that the health insurance companies don't want it repealed? They just want some provisions removed. They actually like the bill. It's good for business.

Posted by: kchses1 | November 18, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Tealiban could do something more constructive than huffing and puffing empty rhetoric.

Posted by: markcheslold | November 18, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, just maybe, if the Republican "leaders" hadn't spent so much time and effort lying about the health care bill, they wouldn't be in this predicament. They lied and lied and scared the FOX and talk radio fans half to death to the point where they were hysterical with fear. I guess they were hoping the tea bag people have short term memory loss.

Posted by: MNUSA | November 18, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

One thing the tea party has done is justify Republican stupidity.

Posted by: MTgrassland | November 18, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Gosh Greg...all anyone has to do is remind McConnell that he among others just as ciulpable did not demand to see Obama's hidden history.

The Republicans will have to demand to see hidden history of all public officials opened and void the Obamacare signatures with ethics violations.
Is it that hard?

Posted by: dottydo | November 18, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Gosh Greg...all anyone has to do is remind McConnell that he among others just as ciulpable did not demand to see Obama's hidden history.

The Republicans will have to demand to see hidden history of all public officials opened and void the Obamacare signatures with ethics violations.
Is it that hard?

Posted by: dottydo | November 18, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

The tea party people did contribute to the republican victory. Not nearly as much as they claim, not nearly as much as the GOP fears, but they did do some.

Now they're holding the GOP's feet to the fire to come through with their campaign promises(lies) ... Let's see how this plays out.

The republican party thrives on the fact that its base never questions the leadership. The base is so in love with their hatred of the liberals they will forgive the GOP leaders anything. And they do.

Let's see just how 'republican' the tea partiers are.

Posted by: eezmamata | November 18, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Gosh Greg...all anyone has to do is remind McConnell that he among others just as ciulpable did not demand to see Obama's hidden history.

The Republicans will have to demand to see hidden history of all public officials opened and void the Obamacare signatures with ethics violations.
Is it that hard?

Posted by: dottydo | November 18, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Gosh Greg...all anyone has to do is remind McConnell that he among others just as culpable did not demand to see Obama's hidden history.

The Republicans will have to demand to see hidden history of all public officials opened and void the Obamacare signatures with ethics violations.
Is it that hard?

Posted by: dottydo | November 18, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party rebellion want stop it's fight against elitist, radicals, and the ruling class, no compromising on conservatism, and for the remaining 23 Blue Dogs, switch party's or be set up again by the radical left, of the Democrat Party.

Posted by: xthat | November 18, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

REDTEAREVOLUTION - get a life. All you "hard working" teabaggers complain about having to work so hard to pay for all the "libtards" out there. From what I can see from all your postings, you must still be living in your mother's basement praying to your gods Limbaugh and Hannity.

Seriously, get over your hatred and come out already.

Posted by: gene11 | November 18, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The irony of all this of course - and one rarely pointed out by the media - is that "Obamacare" was taken almost whole-cloth from a REPUBLICAN proposal that was floated in the early 90s in response to Hillary Care.

Who knew that the early 90s Republicans were "socialists"? I know I did not know that.

But the tea partiers know better. In fact, according to them, Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan were doctrinaire Marxists. They presided over top income tax rates of 90%, 70% and 50% respectively. Barack "Che Guevara" Obama is a socialist for wanting the top rate to float back up to where it was during our boom economy of the 1990s (39.6%). I did not know that those 3 Republican presidents were such Leninists. Did anyone else here know this? What other incredible things might we learn from the tea partiers if we let them rant?

Posted by: B2O2 | November 18, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Spend a little time digging through this:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/22685.html#ftsbs-timeseries-20071016

All the liberal states, the left coast and the people's republic of New York and all that rot -- get about 75 cents on the dollar back from the fed. They pay $1, get back 75 cents.

ALL OF the loudmouth teabaggers in the south -- ALL OF the southern conservatives states except texas get far more back from the feds than they pay in.

So the liberal states are supporting the teabagger states.

Tell me again, o teabagger, just how is it you're paying for the liberals?

You're just a bunch of loudmouth parasites.

Posted by: eezmamata | November 18, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama giving all the Unions that wanted it so bad, exemptions to op-out, it want be hard to repeal, with the facts of the exemptions.

Posted by: xthat | November 18, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. It would take the votes of 66 Senators (Republicans only have 47 Senators for the next two years) and 2/3 of the House members to overturn presidential veto. Simply put, Republicans don't have the votes. Furthermore, even Republican governors from conservative states are doing what's required of them to comply with the law while pursuing a litigation strategy that is destined to fail in the Supreme Court. The lawsuit centers around the individual mandate. By the time it gets to the supreme court, the law will be fully implemented and people will get used to their benefits. Even the SCOTUS will be forced to be pragmatic on a public policy concern like that. They can't overturn the individual mandate without cancelling all the rest of the popular provisions because there is no way to pay for the other provisions without increasing the risk pool and spreading the risk by mandating younger, healthier folks to pay premiums. That is what the individual mandate is designed to do and that is also why it is the centerpiece of the reform. You do away with the mandate then you cancel all the rest of the popular provisions. SO it is here to stay. Mind you that it is not unconstituitional to begin with. I mean, the federal govt does have the right and authority to regulate interstate commerce, which is what healthcare is. It is a commodity and the federal govt can come up with laws designed to regulate it.

Posted by: Munsen | November 18, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

RealTea, I keep hearing that Obama didn't compromise, that he needs to put it on the table and compromise. The he needs to be bi-partisan on the health care bill. What I don't hear is what you, or any of the Republicans, is ideas beyond tax breaks (which only help the rich who are more than able to afford health care), and give the states money with no strings attached and hope they don't spend it on things like plane rides for the governor.

If you listen to Mitch McConnell the Republicans stated outright that they wanted to make Obama a one term President. So if they presented concrete ideas that they didn't disown later please let us know.

Posted by: elkiii_2008 | November 18, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans can gut the health care plan if they so desire. Their first step, however, should be to eliminate the congressional health care plan in its entirety. If my tax dollars aren't going towards health care for those that need it the most, I'll be damned if I want my tax dollars paying for health care for the millionaires in the House and Senate.

Posted by: EKruse | November 18, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I know you True Believers need to think the politicians are 'different' from each other, that the republicans and the democrats have different ways and means ... but really, how hard do you have to push on the "talk to the hand" button to keep believing that?

The republicans and the democrats have a deal going, don't you see? You screw the people for a couple of years, and then we'll screw them. Remember, the American voter lives with the delusion that we givasht, let's not disabuse him/her of that notion. Otherwise, we'd be out of our phony jobs.

And you, the passionate true believer voter ... have you noticed the rectal callouses yet? Has that stick they've been shoving up your rear end caused any bleeding yet?

Posted by: eezmamata | November 18, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

RedTeaRevolution
You are an idiot.If i were Obama I wouldn't give GOP Goobers the time of day.
Compromise? By scrapping the bill and starting over? That's a laugh.
Just get used to it, Goober, Universal Health Care is here to stay, and the country won't collapse or go Commie.

Posted by: cjbass55 | November 18, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is a bunch of nonsense. I don't hear ANY of the tea party electees refusing government health care for themselves. They are so worried about poor people getting health care but not a peep about TSA employees fondling the genitalia of children in airports. What a bunch of hypocritical selfish idiots.

Posted by: greeenmtns | November 18, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Is this TRUE? A third of Americans say they have gone without medical care or skipped filling a prescription because of cost, compared to 5 percent in the Netherlands, according to study released on Thursday.

This has been known for years. The Clinton Administration was aware of this fact. We as Americans allow some uneducated politicians prevent us from getting health care.

I hope the Administration keep pushing for was is RIGHT. Joe Miller's lost in Alaska is a good sign of things to come. The Tea Partiers CANNOT be strong and WRONG.

Posted by: msgbill | November 18, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

What dems can't wait for in 2011. Defense spending government gift giving for red states with government health insurance. Farm giveaways to big Agriculture. Gift giving to private contractors.
Then there is Nasa who is pretending they can't lift an old spaceship off the ground unless we pay their government paychecks and benefits for the next three months until republicans enjoy the love of taxpayer money.
yes republicans pretend they hate pork as they consume pork.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | November 18, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

These b@$tards are repealing a god-dammed thing. They will moan and groan and whine, but WILL NEVER have enough votes to do anything else.

Posted by: insider9909 | November 18, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

The right in this country has no god dam idea what tyranny really is

Posted by: Chops2 | November 18, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Is McConnell's Hypocrisy anything like his Hypocrisy on the Iraqi War, as stated by George Bush in his book?

We all know McConnell is a Hypocrite, a Liar and, and low down and dirty.

If his nose were not so big already, it would be about 2 feet long.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | November 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Well, Mitch McConnell is acting like a moron.

He can talk in a civilized manner about why he doesn't like health care and think it should be reformed. It's his right.

Or he can go for the foaming at the mouth lunatic, using hyperbole routine.

How can we have debate about health care when he basically has called the other side tyrants and they are imposing tyranny?

And we wonder why the system is broken.

Posted by: camasca | November 18, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm to the point were I just grin when you mention the tea party. Their infected with two diseases, greed and racism, and now they demand. mm mm

Posted by: shipfreakbo214 | November 18, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

What the hell are the Republicans crying about, they're the ones that invented mandatory healthcare. That's what they wanted instead of Clinton's proposal. They wanted to free all companies of helping with the costs and lay it all on the people. You know how the GOP are with personal responsibility. Gotta get rid of that nanny-state HC. Boy, thing's sure do change when your job is on the line.. What's that word that fits the GOP to a T - oh yeah, Hypocrites.

Posted by: HemiHead66 | November 18, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I am from Australia and a regular reader of these comments. In the past we (my Australian friends and I) have been devoted "follow you into the fray regardless" partners and have been for a long time, and paid the price with the lives of our youth and wealth of our economy.

We did this because we believed that the US was the archetypical land of the free. The model from which we could confidently draw inspiration for our own values and aspirations. And, if you are familar with our democratic constitution and social support for rich and poor alike without distinction, you will acknowledge our right to pass judgement on the US at these perilous times.

It would appear that; the image of the "guy on the white horse" is tarnished, all the aspirational stuff is now history, the US has lost the plot and along with this, its moral right to the leadership role it once brilliantly played.

The split between the fanatics, trying to claw back a post colonial "right to rule and stuff the rest", and the progessive force of considered government, seems contradictory to the original democratic values and augers badly for your image in Australia and, most likely, all other thinking nations.

We no longer revere the US rather, we feel a sense of disgust at the current state affairs wherein the country's conflicting self interest ideologies seem to be tearing it apart.

From where I sit, the US seem to be heading down a pathway that will either cleanse or destroy. Either way it going to be messy and very painful.

We, dissapointingly, see no sign of any willingness to unite and negotiate an outcome that will be fair on the rich and poor alike, what we once believed was the essence of being American. UNITED States... maybe not.

God bless America and don't waste too much time in doing it... for all of our sakes.

Posted by: hughlmitchell | November 18, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

We don't need to repeal all of it, just 1,195 pages of it.

Posted by: davidholt123@comcast.net | November 18, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

We did this because we believed that the US was the archetypical land of the free. The model from which we could confidently draw inspiration for our own values and aspirations.

We no longer revere the US rather, we feel a sense of disgust at the current state affairs wherein the country's conflicting self interest ideologies seem to be tearing it apart.


Posted by: hughlmitchell | November 18, 2010 9:41 PM

~~~

We thought it was too, until a man with dark skin was elected president.

Godspeed to you.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | November 18, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

When I signed up for my health care benefits this year, I was very happy to know that my children could remain on my health insurance until they were 26. That will at least get them through their college years and the years when they will most likely have an automobile accident.

I was happy that there was no lifetime maximums on my benefits.

I was happy that pre-existing conditions were no longer an issue, as I have RA.

I have been very happy that my mother will not have to worry about "the doughnut hole" that had been part of her prescription benefits.

Keep your damn hands off of my healthcare, it's looking better all of the time!

Posted by: Anglo_Rider | November 18, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually, who cares. Repeal is never going to happen. The health care reform bill is bringing benefits to many individuals and businesses every day. Much more to come in the future. We should have passed it; we did. Even the word "repeal" is beginning to sound like some ambiguous lost cause. So..

Posted by: dudh | November 18, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Mitch McConnll: Sound and fury, signifying nothing. Healthcare reform is the law of the land, Y'all teabaggers might as well get over yourselves. I want to see you try to tell all the Mom's out there, whose sick child now can't be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition,"No, we side with the megainsurance companies, and no your baby can't have health insurance". That'll play well with female and independent voters. Keep pushing the issue and see where it leads you. Please. We threw you out in 2006, and we can do it again in 2012, believe it.

Posted by: rcupps | November 18, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Of course it will distract the tea bag party. They're idiots. "Look, something shiny..."

Posted by: mcstowy | November 18, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Ooh, plus, ya know what,
my wife was reading the tea leaves and from what she said, and I believe it, things are going to get a lot rosier for the US economy and Pres Obama, starting now. 2011 could be a great year..

Posted by: dudh | November 18, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

So, tea parties are also making it clear that they are manchurian army of the vested interests. Do they really want to repeal:
1) No denial based on existing conditions
2) No lifetime maximum cap
3) Force insurance companies to spend 80-85% of premium money on treatment rather than 65-70% as of today
4) Allow self employed to buy good policies on exchange (and that way encourage more people to become entreprenuers rather than stiking with same employer just for healthcare benefits).

If they really want to improve it: They can remove mandate but at the same time give in writing that those wihout insurance will pay their own money when they call 911 (and not be burdeon on taxpayers. They can also try to fight for malpractice reform, across border purchase of insurance etc.

And those fools don't know that dem controlled house passed public option also but 40 republicans stopped it in senate. There are still 54 dems in senate and there is no way they can get any far right rules passed in this senate.

Posted by: alpha076 | November 18, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Where has Greg Sargent been for the last two years? Every Republican on the planet has always considered Obamacare to be a complete tyrannical takeover of the health care of our nation.


58 percent of the American people want that disgusting bill repealed Greg!


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | November 18, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to throw the McConnell-Boehner Tealiban/GOP'ers out of Congress in 2012!

Posted by: Mhw1 | November 18, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse


I have posted this already here before You guys should stop complaining because, one the health care we have now isnt as good as it was supposed to be. also the law has just been signed so give it some time. so if u want to say u have the right to choose tell that to ur congress men or state official. If you do not have insurance and need one You can find full medical coverage at the lowest price check http://ow.ly/3akSX .If you have health insurance and do not care about cost just be happy about it and believe me you are not going to loose anything!

Posted by: rebeccahkim | November 19, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

We in the teaparty aren't mindless drones, and we want full repeal, but we also know that, that isn't do-able until we retake the senate, or Obama is out of power. We are behind real conservatives in office who will do whatever is necessary to defund the Obamacare, and every other fight against the fraud and violation of our rights that comes from the executive branch and democrats in congress.

I'd really prefer this journalist write something substantive about the violation of our 4th amendment rights by Obama's imposition of his demands that innocent US citizens, be treated like criminals. Amazing there's no articles on how Obama says it's wrong to screen illegal aliens who violate our laws, and prevent them from illegally taking our jobs, yet he demands citizens rights be violated by the TSA, to illegal searches. Obama refuses to demand that those flying in from terrorist states to be subjected to such scrutiny, and is now saying that Muslims should be exempt from the same scrutiny when flying in US airports. But babies, children, who are supposed to be exempt are being groped and abused, subjected to strip searches, innocent men and women, including elderly Americans, for no reasons, while Muslims are waived through.

But then again, the Washington Post hasn't a problem with our voting rights being violated either.

Posted by: jenn3 | November 21, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

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