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Posted at 6:25 PM ET, 12/ 2/2010

Andy Stern will vote No on deficit commission

By Greg Sargent

Former top labor leader Andy Stern has privately informed deficit-commission co-chair Erskine Bowles that he will vote against the commission's package of proposals, a source close to Stern tells me, effectively ending hopes of getting the desired 14 members to support it.

Stern is the fifth of 18 commission members to decide against backing the commission's proposals. While it has long seemed unlikely that the proposals, which are filled with controversial spending cuts, would get the needed supermajority in tomorrow's vote, his opposition appears to officially put this out of reach.

Stern also retains influence among Dem politicians, so his opposition could build further resistance to the proposal among Dems who are still undecided.

Describing Stern's opposition to the proposals, the source close to him would only say the following: "In the end, there is not enough investment to create jobs, economic growth, and increase America's competitiveness."

The other commission members who have come out against the proposal are Dem Rep. Jan Schakowsky, Senator Max Baucus, and GOP Reps. Paul Ryan and Dave Camp.

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HAPPY HOUR ROUNDUP:

* So what's next on the Bush tax cuts? A senior Senate aide says Harry Reid may hold votes as early as tomorrow on the House-passed bill to extend just the middle class tax cuts.

Senate Dems are also set to vote as early as tomorrow on Chuck Schumer's proposal to extend the tax cuts just for those under $1 million, and the GOP proposal to extend all the cuts, which is necessary to gain GOP cooperation in holding votes at all. None is expected to pass, but the votes will put all senators on record.

* A key moment at today's hearing on Don't Ask Don't Tell: Senator Susan Collins directly undercut one of the chief arguments John McCain has been making against repeal, potentially giving moderates more cover to climb aboard.

McCain has been arguing rather obtusely that the Pentagon report is flawed because it didn't directly ask service-members to state whether they want DADT repealed. But as Collins pointed out in her testimony today, servicemembers weren't asked whether they wanted go to Afghanistan, and the report does convey a very clear sense of where they are on this issue.

* Jonathan Capehart skewers McCain's "ignorance, stubbornness and willful disregard for the leadership of the military."

* Steve Benen gets it exactly right on Robert Gates' testimony: "For Republicans open to even the slightest bit of reason, this should offer them all the cover they need." Keep an eye on the moderates.

* Quote of the day, from an anonymous Dem aide, exasperated by all the talk about a deal in which Republicans would allow a vote on New START in exchange for concessions from Dems:

"The idea that Republicans would give us a vote on their f*cking treaty -- I mean, this was Ronald Reagan's treaty, we're just extending it -- is crazy."

Indeed it is.

* Is all the chatter about a pending deal on the Bush tax cuts wrong? Robert Gibbs emails:

"The talks are ongoing and productive, but any reports that we are near a deal in the tax cuts negotiations are inaccurate and premature."

* Ezra Klein has a very good, if dispiriting, post gaming out what might have been on the tax cuts.

* David Kurtz's reaction to the House Dems' successful vote today to extend the middle class tax cuts: "Now that wasn't so hard, was it."

* The White House has compiled an impressive dossier of newspaper editorials from around the country calling for DADT repeal.

* White House officials want to add the "Obama tax cuts" to the Bush tax cut negotiations.

* And in case you're wondering why Nigerian authorities are coming after Dick Cheney, Michael Scherer explains all.

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | December 2, 2010; 6:25 PM ET
Categories:  deficit  
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I have no idea why the liberals are so happy that they just passed a $700 Billion Tax Increase in the House


I would run that ad against the democrats who voted yes today.


Have they all come down with Mondale-Insanity ???

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

As if Interpol didn't have enough to do already, now they've got Assange and Dick Cheney.

And TP adds an important corner to this corruption story...

"It is important to note that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — of which Halliburton is a member — recently lobbied to weaken an important U.S. law that “stops American-based multinational firms from bribing foreign governments in order to win special business advantages,” as ThinkProgress detailed in October."

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/02/cheney-charged-bribery/

Posted by: bernielatham | December 2, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Sanity. A tad rare over on the right these days.

David Brooks on the extremism of the modern GOP's cynical obstruction of all things Obama/liberal...

*"And my problem with the Republican Party right now, including Paul, is that if you offered them 80-20, they say no. If you offered them 90-10, they’d say no. If you offered them 99-1 they’d say no. And that’s because we’ve substituted governance for brokerism, for rigidity that Ronald Regan didn’t have.

And to me, this rigidity comes from this polarizing world view that they’re a bunch of socialists over there. You know, again, I’ve spent a lot of time with the president. I’ve spent a lot of time with the people around him. They’re liberals! … But they’re not idiots. And they’re not Europeans, and they don’t want to be a European welfare state. … It’s American liberalism, and it’s not inflexible."*

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/02/brooks-gop-99-1/

Posted by: bernielatham | December 2, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Brilliance in journalism by Jake Tapper:

"House Minority Leader John Boehner’s reference to today’s House vote on extending the Bush tax cut for the middle class as “chicken crap” was a poetic expression of frustration over what he considers both a purely political and perhaps even meaningless vote"

How Poetic!

Next up: Hamid Karzai with an update on free and fair elections in Afghanistan, Kim Jong Il on best practices in diplomacy, and Joe Barton on how to retrofit your home with a solar water heater.

Peace out!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 2, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse


I have no idea why the liberals are so happy that they just passed a $700 Billion Tax Increase in the House


Have they all come down with Mondale-Insanity ???

Harry Reid is going to do this too ??

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Don't Ask survey didn't ask if the military personnel want the law repealed or not, WHAT did it ask ???


And what polls have all these liberals been pushing like drug dealers???

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Americans were fed up with Bush, so they voted for change. Instead they got more of the identical Bush tax cuts. The "change" administration couldn't even be bothered to change the name.

And now, when the House passes only the lower income 2/3 of Bush's oh-so-beloved tax cuts, the administration is quick to announce that they will not let the Republicans be dealt such a defeat without further compromise.

Honestly, how does the President sleep at night?

Posted by: Bullsmith1 | December 2, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL LIBERALS

The next time you look back on the last two years, and wonder what the democrats have been doing


Today's MEANINGLESS VOTE can go to your mind. You have something completely meaningless to look back on... fondly if you wish.

The Republicans have a FANTASTIC ad to run against all the democratic who voted yes


Congressman D voted TO INCREASE TAXES $700 BILLION DURING AN ECONOMIC CRISIS


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"White House officials want to add the "Obama tax cuts" to the Bush tax cut negotiations."

Well that is stupid. The "Obama tax cuts" once known as Making Work Pay, didn't include rich people (obviously, look at the name), so of course no one is interested in preserving them. Let them expire, no one cares. Taxing working people is ok, they are used to it.

The high drama is about taxes on rich people and how bad that is for the Republican party.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 2, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Compromise and negotiation is what Obama ran on - saying he could do it better than most


Why don't the democrats give back the 2008 election if they don't want to compromise


On this point, the liberals simply do not understand that the they appear completely out of their minds. This is what Obama committed to for 4 years.

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

This one is for RUK, wherever you are buddy!

~Florida Republican Party records subpoenaed in federal corruption investigation~

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/corporate/florida-republican-party-records-subpoenaed-in-federal-corruption/1137653

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 2, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

All, focus on Stern. Deficit commission won't get its supermajority. Big news.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 2, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH

Court Records in Washington DC have revealed that today all the democratic members of the House of Representatives have filed papers to officially change their middle names to "Walter Mondale."

On Capitol Hill, all anyone could hear all day is "Where's the beef?"

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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Note: There are no longer any elected Republicans "open to even the slightest bit of reason." Most were replaced by sociopath party members; the others were frightened back into the ranks of the raving bat____ looney party.

Posted by: nobodysignificant | December 2, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "All, focus on Stern. Deficit commission won't get its supermajority. Big news."

Why is this big news? Just another Obama failure. It's certainly not unexpected. How could the darn thing succeed with both Stern and Schakowsky putting out their own plans? It merely reminds us of "the utter irresponsibility of Congress."

Posted by: sbj3 | December 2, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

"All, focus on Stern. Deficit commission won't get its supermajority. Big news."

In other news, the Detroit Lions are unlikely to make the playoffs.

Posted by: sold2u | December 2, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Rangel really deserves to be thrown out of the House of Representatives.


Perhaps, come January, the Republicans will hold a "symbolic" vote on throwing him out - where he belongs.

Seriously, 4 rent-controlled apartments ?


Ever wonder why the Republicans don't like all these programs for the poor? Because they get abused by people like Charlie Rangel.


Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

wbgonne wrote,
"Obama's first mistake was letting Cheney and Bush walk to their war crimes."
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A dead giveaway that the poster is not to be taken seriously. Since Obama is basically following the Bush/Cheney agenda in prosecuting the war on terror, maybe you'd like to see him impeached and tried for war crimes---that is, after you get through licking his boots and kissing his butt. Poor pathetic sap.

Posted by: Brigade | December 2, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Well I have to hand it to Nancy Pelosi for getting this to go. Greg, thank you for your reasonableness....Can you talk some sense into your commentors now? Seems like they've had too much Kool-Aide.

Posted by kindness1|December 2,2010
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Yes, Nancy really proved she knows how to waste time and accomplish absolutely nothing. But we already knew that. Now when it comes to actually addressing the nation's problems, she's not worth much. At least she's setting the stage for the next Congress when Boehner will likely turn her over his knee.

Posted by: Brigade | December 2, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

ethan2010 wrote,
"This one is for RUK, wherever you are buddy!"
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He's been dangling from a rafter ever since the November election.

Posted by: Brigade | December 2, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

The Global Warming Scientists really have no idea what they are talking about

What is astonishing, is that only lately have they actually been taking measurements of what they claim they have already studied and on which they claim to have accurate models, which they don't


______________________________


From the Conference in Mexico:

The flood of data from the orbiting satellite has produced all kinds of surprises for scientists in recent years. For instance, while seas have risen by about 15 centimeters in the tropical Western Pacific, the ocean near San Francisco has fallen by about the same amount. "On the German coast, on the other hand, the sea level today is a few centimeters higher than it was 15 years ago," says Claus Böning of the Kiel-based excellence cluster "The Future Ocean."


_________________________


These guys have no idea what is going on with sea levels - NOW they say its going up there and down in San Francisco


HA.

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

shrink:

(bringing this forward from the nearly dead thread)

“You don't think there is a "free" market do you? Do you really believe the market is efficient?”

I understand that there are all kinds of government regulations preventing a fully free market with regard to insurance. And I also understand that the market for insurance is not efficient, in part due to many of those very same regulations. But that is neither here nor there with regard to your claim – that the service provided by insurance companies has no value whatsoever, and indeed may possibly even have negative value. So my questions stands: Do you buy health insurance for yourself, and if so, why? Again, no one is forcing you to buy it (yet!), so why do you?

“I'm fine with value being subjective, I know about that. I am not fine with people having a take it or leave it choice wherein industry and government collude on how the market works in such a way as to make a mockery of moral hazard, equal opportunity and competition.”

I too am generally opposed to government involving itself in the market, although we probably disagree about what that actually means. However, that wasn’t the issue at hand. You originally claimed that your number one priority was fighting income disparities which, you said, were “never good”. We have since established that, in fact, you actually have no objection to income disparities at all, but rather you object to what you believe is the fact that income is not a function of the value of the service the person is providing.

You now agree that value is subjective, which makes my question to you all the more relevant: What makes you think that a person’s income is not a function of the value to the person(s) paying them?

My other question also remains unanswered: What exactly did you mean when you claimed that the tax structure “encourages” the “looting” of the American economy? What, specifically, does the tax structure encourage to which you object?

Posted by: ScottC3 | December 2, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

RUK went to Vietnam to try to get Broadway Joe and Noacoler out of the pit - in which they have been hanging upside down.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Has Bernie ever actually had an original thought or posted any of his own stuff, or is it all cut-and-paste and links to other sites? He seems to fit the definition of a troll. Some of the conservatives here seek to engage him from time to time, but he's having none of that. He's even used Kevin's infamous troll hunter to block some of them. Shrink is a much better bet for those actually interested in an exchange of ideas.

Posted by: Brigade | December 2, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Brigade

on this blog, you don't get much in the direction of "exchange of ideas" beyond "How can we deceive everyone into voting for us, so we can switch to a far left agenda a few months later?"


Posted by: RainForestRising | December 2, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Brigade

on this blog, you don't get much in the direction of "exchange of ideas"
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Well, we can always hope.

Posted by: Brigade | December 2, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"What makes you think that a person’s income is not a function of the value to the person(s) paying them?"

If they have it, they deserve it, they deserve it because they have it. I get your point.

Earlier you were worshiping productivity, how wonderful it is for America if we no longer pay 10 workers to do the job 6 workers can do. Yeah I struggled through Ayn Rand, just to say I did, but that is not what is happening. I think productivity is good, I practice it on a daily basis.

But what if we are paying 10 workers in China half the money we pay 1 worker in America. No problem, right? Those girls that should be in school lining up in the pre-dawn street lights in front of an American shampoo factory in Jarkarta^, they are not productive but they are almost free so presto, they are productivity. Setting American workers against people who work just for food...saying that makes "American" business seem competitive and that this process will trickle down or something and turn into American prosperity...well if you don't get it, you just don't get it.

^not making it up, saw it last time I was there. It is a real eye opener.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 2, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Greg:

The other day you linked to Rubin's blog and said that it was a "companion" blog to this one. If that is the case, shouldn't you have a link somewhere to it? You have links to Klein, The Fix, and others. Why not one to your "companion" blog?

Posted by: ScottC3 | December 2, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

"Has Bernie ever actually had an original thought or posted any of his own stuff, or is it all cut-and-paste and links to other sites?"

Clearly, you're not a golfer.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 2, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

We owe Qatar our eternal gratitude.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=848046&sec=global&cc=5901

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 2, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It's now blatantly obvious Republicans have chosen to try to sabotage an economy recovery in the hopes to take back the Senate or even the Presidency. It began with the them holding the same political stance as the anti-American worker lobbying group, The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and China and the E.U. and it's ending with them now using the unemployed as a tool during the holiday season.

"Without extended benefits, Virginia would have had 8,014 fewer jobs as of September 2010, and failure to act to extend benefits again could cost the state 5,261 jobs by the end of next year.

Benefits for the jobless are particularly important during the holiday season. In addition to providing support for families when they need it most, the positive effects of the program on the economy are likely to be greater since American families tend to spend more during the holiday season. In December alone, two million Americans will lose their coverage if Congress fails to act, the report finds."

http://liberaldefenderoffreedom.blogspot.com/

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 2, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

shrink:

"If they have it, they deserve it, they deserve it because they have it. I get your point."

No, I don't think you do, because that wasn't it.

Your post is interesting and all, and there are even a few things in it that I wouldn't mind discussing (like your experiences in Asia...I lived there for almost 7 years so I know a few things myself), but it doesn't even attempt to address the questions I put to you.

You said that the tax structure "encourages the looting" of the American economy. Does this have any real meaning at all, or was it just an empty and vacuous slogan? I assume you actually have something substantive in mind, but you seem extremely reluctant to reveal what it is.

You claimed, more than once, that insurance companies do not provide anything at all of value to the people who pay them. But if you truly believed that, why do you voluntarily purchase insurance? And if you don't truly believe that (which is almost certainly the case), then why do you use this false claim as the basis of your argument for government run health care?

Why is fighting against disparities in income your number one priority when, in fact, you acknowledge that disparities in income can be justified, and you have no basis for determining when they aren't?

Posted by: ScottC3 | December 2, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"We owe Qatar our eternal gratitude.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=848046&sec=global&cc=5901

December 2, 2010 8:57 PM "

Also Brazil. You gotta wonder how many Republicans were cheering about this one.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 2, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Scott, did you go to the JakeD school of the relentless inability to understand what other people are saying?

"Why is fighting against disparities in income your number one priority when, in fact, you acknowledge that disparities in income can be justified, and you have no basis for determining when they aren't?"

Sure I do. That is silly and yet that isn't the problem.

Tell me whether you think American crony capitalism can compete with Chinese crony capitalism. All of China's largest multinational companies are government owned and operated.
America's share of global gdp, market capitalization, you name a measure of economic vitality...is steadily declining.

Will America's goofy version of corruption compete with our banker's well designed version? Tell me about how Reagan won the Cold War and how centrally planned economies died out. Tell me again how American productivity will save the day.

Do you have any answers or do you just want to know why I can not choose to not waste money on health insurance?

Posted by: shrink2 | December 2, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

shrink:

"did you go to the JakeD school of the relentless inability to understand what other people are saying?"

No. Did you go to the Bernie L school of rhetorical evasion?

Look, I am just trying to understand what you mean by some of the seemingly substanceless things you say. I'm pretty sure, now, though, that even you don't know what you mean.

"Sure I do [have a basis for determining whether an income disparity is justified]."

Well what is it then? How can I tell if the disparity (which is significant) between my income and, say, my brother's is justified?

"Tell me whether you think American crony capitalism can compete with Chinese crony capitalism."

Well, I don't know what you mean by crony capitalism (I doubt that I accept all your premises), but I certainly think that many US firms can compete with Chinese firms on many fronts.

"Will America's goofy version of corruption compete with our banker's well designed version?"

I don't understand this at all. Wouldn't "our banker's version" be a subset or a part of "America's goofy version"? This just sounds a lot like your previous proclamation about the "looting of the American economy"...something that sounds menacing but which is actually empty of any substance whatsoever (as evidenced by your inability to even try to explain you meant by it.)

"Do you have any answers or do you just want to know why I can not choose to not waste money on health insurance?"

Well, I would like to know why you choose to purchase something you think is worthless even though, despite your claims to the contrary, you don't have to (or at least you don't have to until Obamacare goes into full force.) Apart from that, though, it is rather ironic that you ask me if I have answers for you given your continued refusal/inability to give me straight answers.

Posted by: ScottC3 | December 2, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

You are funny. "Well, I don't know what you mean by crony capitalism (I doubt that I accept all your premises), but I certainly think that many US firms can compete with Chinese firms on many fronts."

That is it? That is all you have? You don't know about crony capitalism but you think many US firms can compete? Do you realize this is all that matters? Or do you think we'll go to Heaven anyway so long as we died American. Hey, how old are you anyway?

The USA is allowing itself to be looted by people who did not earn it, based upon the votes of people like you who think that, well, if they have it, they must have earned it. You don't know about crony capitalism. Wow.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 2, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Shrink,

I know you lament the loss of manufacturing jobs, and others have the perception that we don't manufacture anything anymore. This is a nice chart pointing out, in dollars, the value of each of the G-20 country's manufacturing output. It show's the USA as the world's largest manufacturer, head of China by about 25%. Japan is almost half our manufacturing output and Germany is less than half our our output. There is no other country even close.

The point I wanted to show is that we're still the largest manufacturer in the world (at least as of 2008) and even if China overtakes us, there still is an awful lot going on.

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009104319/g20-manufacturing-output-capita

BTW, you wrote memorization/creativity comment earlier today was very funny. Seriously.


Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 2, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

shrink:

"That is it? That is all you have?"

Well, that was the best response I could give to what was, in fact, a question filled with undefined (and, if your performance so far is any indication, undefinable) concepts.

"The USA is allowing itself to be looted by people who did not earn it..."

Let's try again to see if there is any substance to this...whether even you know what you are talking about...or if, yet again, this is simply a vacuous bromide.

What specifically is being "looted", who specifically is doing the "looting" (can you name an actual person?), and who owns the thing that is being "looted"?

Posted by: ScottC3 | December 2, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, the fact that we still are in the game is true. The question is whether we will be. The Soviets bet their system against ours.

Now the Chinese are taking their turn. The Chinese are not confused about this. I think Americans are confused. I think Americans think the party they vote for might have something to do with "competitiveness". I think the party we vote for has to do with values, narratives, memes. I don't think we understand how fast we are losing the ability to compete.

We are way ahead with education, our work force is our competitive edge. You abuse the work force, you lose it. If America hoo rah! conservatives, you people who want to own patriotism... if you were serious, you make education e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g.

Good night.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 2, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Shrink

We are diluting all our education dollars with affirmative action

Since affirmative action programs have been put in , we have fallen farther and farther behind


Affirmative action is weakening this country. All these idiots want to dismiss that simple fact.

Posted by: OrangeDogs | December 2, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"If America hoo rah! conservatives, you people who want to own patriotism... if you were serious, you make education e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g."

First of all, it's "America, Fook Yah!" Second, is owning "patriotism" the equivalent to believing in American Exceptionalism? If so, then we "own" it by default.

Finally, I don't disagree with you opinion that education is important, but I'm guessing our ideas on improving it are different. Though, I suspect it would include some rote memorization despite it's negative effects on "creativity!"

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 2, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Go to bed!

"I don't disagree with you opinion that education is important, but..."

[it is ok to say I agree, you don't have to say I don't disagree]

"...I'm guessing our ideas on improving it are different."

Well I'm guessing that this is the topic that matters and I'm guessing we don't disagree.

Being smart is it. We are animals. We don't get to win, we don't get to eat because we think we are better than other people.

I am saying socialism, a particular American socialism is not something to worry about, it is going to be the right thing to do. It'll work.

Of course getting there is something to worry about.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 3, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

"Go to bed!"

Last word freak.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 3, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Andy Stern


What are we doing here ??? Pretending America is some SOCIALIST country and the unions deserve a say in the government?????


Is that the point???


The completely idiotic point???


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 3, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

It's good that the liberals are beginning to critique each other.

It's a sign that they are beginning to see reality, even if they haven't accepted it yet.

It is a slow process - a few months in an institution paid for by Obama might help.


Overall, today was probably a break-through - the liberals had their vote on the floor of the House, but they immediately realized they were wasting their time with a meaningless vote - they were wasting the time and the money of the American People, but the liberals will think about that later.


The liberals are afraid to look beyond their agenda - because there is nothing out there for them. Their agenda items are dead, their election prospects worse than dead for a generation.


The liberals are "clinging" because they are afraid of the future.


GREG - WHEN WILL YOU STOP CLINGING TO THE LIBERAL AGENDA


WHEN WILL YOU START TO SEE REALITY


WILL YOU EVEN WATCH WHEN THE REPUBLICANS TAKE THE GAVEL ???


Don't look Greg, it might be too painful, and you might relapse.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 3, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Greg


Obama announced tonight that he has added "Walter Mondale Insanity" to the benefits schedule of every health care plan in the nation.


So maybe you should apply.


You need it.

Really badly.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 3, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

What else is happening?

Britney goes Twild
Britney slammed a Star Report that alleged Spears reached out to ex Jason Alexander after Trawick, 38, allegedly "beat her. Britney then fired a 'twissile' back at the magazine, tweeting: "PS - Star Magazine, Radar Online, Jason Alexander and the rest of you liars, Ya'll can kiss my lily white southern Louisiana ass!"

Now a lawsuit is in the works according to her manager. "It's amazing that Star continues to try to defend their story by putting out more and more pieces of a fraudulent recording. Everyone knows it is not her," Spears' manager Larry Rudolph tells Us. "The more they put out, the more ridiculous they look. The lawyers are drawing up the legal papers right now; there will 100 percent be a lawsuit. We are suing." More tweets forthcoming? Let the twights begin!

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/britney-spears-slams-star-report-kiss-my-ass-2010212

Posted by: brian34554 | December 3, 2010 4:31 AM | Report abuse

"The Obama administration is holding out for an extension of unemployment assistance and of a variety of expiring tax breaks for low-wage and middle-income workers as part of a deal with Congressional Republicans to extend all the Bush-era tax cuts. But it is unclear how much leverage the White House has in the tax negotiations, given the drubbing Democrats took in the midterm elections, the tight Congressional calendar and a threat by Senate Republicans to block any legislation until the tax fight is resolved."

One word: v-e-t-o.

Time to face reality: Obama is an epic failure as president. Time ti consider alternatives. In the short run, Congress can refuse to pass anymore sell-out legislation the White House concocts behind closed doors with Republicans. Obama can "negotiate" all he wants but the Congressional Democrats don't have to follow his orders. And they should not. Now is the time for a Democratic Caucus insurrection.

Longer term, someone must wrest the Democratic nomination from Obama in 2012 or the Democrats will make 2010 look like a victory lap.

How in the world did this happen to us?

Posted by: wbgonne | December 3, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/us/03cong.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=igw

Posted by: wbgonne | December 3, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting question.

Why is it that the totalitarian Chinese state government, the Weekly Standard, the CIA, Rupert Murdoch, Charles Krauthammer, the DOJ, the Swedish government, Newt Gingrich and a whole lot of other persons and entities are *really* frightened by what Assange is up to?

https://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/julian-assange-and-the-computer-conspiracy-%E2%80%9Cto-destroy-this-invisible-government%E2%80%9D/#

Warning: this is a bit tougher than the "see Spot run" and "Was Obama's mother a secret lover of Adolf Hitler?" level of discourse common these days.

h/t Jay Rosen
http://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu

Posted by: bernielatham | December 3, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

All Mornign Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/the_morning_plum_143.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 3, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

The family of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, the man convicted of the Pan-Am Lockerbie bombing and subsequently freed by Scotland on compassionate grounds as he allegedly neared death, is planning on suing Scotland over what they say was the neglect of his health while in prison.

A Scottish Government spokesperson defended his treatment, saying "He was given the same high standard of NHS care as any other prisoner."

Those of us familiar with the UK's NHS know that this is virtually an admission of guilt.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lockerbie-bomber-to-sue-over-prison-neglect-2149989.html

Posted by: ScottC3 | December 3, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Noted at end of last night's discussion, but I'll toss it here too.

This is what Assange is up to and why a broad spectrum of entities are frightened by him...

https://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/julian-assange-and-the-computer-conspiracy-%E2%80%9Cto-destroy-this-invisible-government%E2%80%9D/#

Another, not unrelated point. Mullen, yesterday or the day before, sought to portray Assange and these leaks as potentially resulting in the deaths of a US soldier or an Afghan family (thought there's an extant AP story quoting the CIA that no such has happened). It is a profound moral wrong, Mullen is implying, to put lives at risk.

And in a theoretical or conceptual sense, that's true.

But in the real world, somewhere between a hundred thousand and a million people have been killed as a consequence of the instigation of these two wars.

That second part (the actual real part) has been effectively disappeared, hasn't it?

Posted by: bernielatham | December 3, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

oops

Posted by: bernielatham | December 3, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"Senate Republicans are open to a deal that would exchange an extension of unemployment benefits for an extension of all the tax cuts if Dems agree to cover the costs of the UI extension with spending cuts elsewhere."

I like that: Let $700 billion in UI be passed, and let the savings come from letting the sale on the tax rate on incomes above $250000 expire. It is perfect, and satisfies both parties, don't you think?

Posted by: AMviennaVA | December 3, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Can I ask a stupid question? Why is the uberlefty progressive Stern even on the panel? He is a large part of why we are the trouble we're in! Talk about morons...who appointed him?

Posted by: sharinlite | December 3, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

How'd those unpaid for tax cuts for the last 10 years work out for us economically? I think the answer is right in front of each and every one of us.

So, the best choice is to keep them going? Did I miss something?

As Greg Dworkin said, "Some ideas never die, no matter how many times they fail."

Posted by: cfeher | December 4, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

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