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Posted at 11:00 AM ET, 12/14/2010

Breaking: House Dems will introduce stand alone DADT repeal bill

By Greg Sargent

This was uncertain as late as this morning. But just now, in a briefing with reporters, Steny Hoyer confirmed it: House Dems will indeed introduce a stand alone bill this week to repeal don't ask don't tell.

Hoyer said that House Dems will introduce a repeal bill that "reflects the Lieberman-Collins bill verbatim," my Post colleague Paul Kane confirms. That means House Dems are set to introduce their own companion of the stand-alone bill that Joe Lieberman and Susan Collins introduced last week. Both the House and Senate bills mirror the language in the original defense authorization bill, which Republicans blocked in the Senate.

Hoyer said the timing of the House's bill is to be determined, but it will be this week.

Here's why this could be a significant step forward. It remains uncertain whether the Senate will make time to vote on the stand-alone bill. But if and when a companion measure is introduced and voted on in the House, and sent over to the Senate, it could increase the pressure on the Senate to act before the lame duck session ends.

A House Dem bill could create a sense of momentum and take the possibility of a stand alone bill becoming law out of the realm of the theoretical, making it harder for the Senate to refuse to vote. With the House's approval, the Senate would now be voting on whether to send the bill to the President for his signature.

To be sure, the Senate Dem leadership could still decide there isn't time to do DADT, what with the need to ratify New START and keep the government funded. And even if the Senate does vote on a stand alone repeal bill, it's unclear whether it will pass. GOP moderates who say they back repeal refused to vote for it last time, suggesting they may do so again. On the other hand, now that the tax deal standoff has been resolved, those moderates may feel freer to vote Yes on DADT repeal.

Either way, this is a reason for optimism at a moment when DADT repeal looked dead. More when I learn it.

UPDATE, 11:22 a.m.: Hoyer's office sends over a statement confirming that Dem Rep. Patrick Murphy, who has taken the lead in pushing for repeal, will introduce the bill with him today:

"Today Rep. Patrick Murphy is introducing a new standalone bill to to allow for repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,' and I am proud to join him as the lead co-sponsor. As Secretary Gates and others have stressed, it is critical that Congress pass this legislation, empowering the Defense Department to implement repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' itself, rather than have repeal imposed by the Courts," said Hoyer.

"I look forward to bringing this bill to the House floor soon, and I hope the Senate will swiftly take action as well so that the bill can be signed into law as soon as possible. This discriminatory and harmful policy has weakened America's security by depriving us of the work of tens of thousands of gay and lesbian troops who have served their country honorably. And it has severely compromised our Armed Forces' core value of integrity," concluded Hoyer.

UPDATE, 2:06 p.m.: Next up: What Harry Reid needs to do right now.

By Greg Sargent  | December 14, 2010; 11:00 AM ET
Categories:  House Dems, Senate Dems, gay rights  
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"the Senate Dem leadership could still decide there isn't time to do DADT"


Time for what? To hold a vote on what is probably a 10 page bill? What would that take? A couple hours tops?

The House sure seems to have time to hold votes. Either the Senate has the votes or it doesn't.

Time shouldn't be a determining factor.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 14, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Wait, you think the GOP will let this get a vote? Really?

Last week they refused a vote on 9/11 first responders health assistance, and you think they'll do a solid for gay people? Really?

The only way you'll ever get this passed is if you add a tax cut for Paris Hilton. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

Posted by: HansSolo | December 14, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Goody, I can't wait for battleground's impending post regarding the homosexual cabal in our country.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | December 14, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If they don't do it, the courts will and this is what republicans want. They don't have the cojones to pass repeal, even though they know it is necessary, they are too cowed by the teabaggers. So they will allow the courts to do it, even though it will harm the military. Nothing matters to them but reelection and tax cuts for themselves and their corporate buddies.

"Yesterday, three gay service members discharged under the DADT policy filed a federal lawsuit seeking reinstatement into the military. The non-partisan Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, which is representing the soldiers, said the lawsuit puts “Congress on notice that a cadre of service members and our national legal team stand ready to litigate strategically” if Congress fails to repeal DADT."

Posted by: fiona5 | December 14, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

mike, anyway you cut it, the Senate is running out of time.

There was a new federal lawsuit filed yesterday in San Francisco by three gay service members who were expelled from service. Gates was named as a defendant.

I suspect that if the Senate fails to act, these lawsuits are going to ramp up, as they should IMO.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 14, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

'the homosexual cabal' -- hilarious. People who want the right to die for their country. Perhaps this person needs a dictionary.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 14, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Fiona- I don't agree with battleground's position, it's just inevitable when DADT is brought up.

This is the second consecutive post where the dictionary line was used. Can we all just agree to not use that line?

Posted by: ashotinthedark | December 14, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I think all bills should be stand alone. I don't think this will pass anyhow.

Posted by: forgetthis | December 14, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

If the bill passes the US would be without another form of unconstitutional conduct. Not fair. We must continue to be in violation of the constitution. What would the world think?

Posted by: Maddogg | December 14, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

HansSolo, the idea is to get the 60 votes to get past the GOP filibuster. My understanding is only two more Repubs have to vote Yes (with Lincoln not at the dentist) and they may be more inclined to do so with tax cut issue resolved

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 14, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"The Senate Dem leadership could still decide there isn't time to do DADT, what with the need to ratify New START and keep the government funded."

1. Fund government
2. DADT repeal
3. START should wait for next session

It will be really "interesting" to see how Reid prioritizes DADT repeal. Hasn't the GOP already vowed to block debate on anything at all until tax bill vote and the govt is funded?

And doesn't the whole "do it before the courts do it" argument legitimize the ages-old GOP "canard" about activist courts?

Posted by: sbj3 | December 14, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"The only way you'll ever get this passed is if you add a tax cut for Paris Hilton. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it."

What, Republicans push to assist a Hollyweirdo? No, more like Republicans would allow a vote on DADT to proceed if it includes tax breaks for a Super Walmart to be built on the National Mall.

Posted by: hitpoints | December 14, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

They allow known idiots into the military (note: Soldier fighting deployment because he still questions Obama’s citizenship), but they have a problem with knowing who’s gay? Interesting.

Posted by: BasicInstinct | December 14, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

ashot: "Can we all just agree to not use that line?"

The better agreement would be to not eat troll bait.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 14, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse


"House Dems" have nothing to do with it. They are only in the majority for three more days. This attempt to repeal DADT is going nowhere in the Senate. Does Barry have the votes? No.


Notice that these leftist Dims have not passed a tax law yet or a military budget yet but they are pushing for open homos in the military.

Dims are welcome to try again in the new Congress starting January the 3rd.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 14, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

f#gocrats covers it all.it shows how low and plain stupid the proggessive dems have gone. for political correctneesmoney and votes .legalise -promote and force sexual deviates on people.

Posted by: dagner49 | December 14, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Since the election NOT ONE WORD FROM THE DEMOCRATS on how they will get the Economy to Recover.


It's all about the liberal agenda - and all about them.


It's all about them trying to get the most out of their BAIT AND SWITCH - not stopping for one moment to think about what the priorities of the American People are.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 14, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Why is Greg so committed to DADT ???


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 14, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

yea you die for our country regularly.unfortuneately you take to many people with you.2 to 3 milion a year.acording to the world health organisation it is called aids and is main cause of spreading the killing dease is queers.

Posted by: dagner49 | December 14, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Another POSE by the Democrats to repeal DADT.I't going nowhere...get on with the nation's business and stop tormenting the gay community.You insult them with your manipulative arrogance.

Posted by: bowspray | December 14, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"they may be more inclined to do so with tax cut issue resolved"--

We'll see. If they don't vote for cloture, then we'll know what lying hypocrites they are. Not that more evidence is needed, though (look no further than the 83-15 vote for cloture on tax compromise).

I understand the attempt to get repeal by piggy-backing it on another bill, but why couldn't they have tried the stand-alone route before?

Posted by: CTVoter | December 14, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

All, my take on why House Dems are in a severe bind on the tax cut deal:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/why_house_dems_are_in_major_bi.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 14, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

DADT is DOA when it hits the Senate. SCotUS won't overturn the existing law.

Next, REAL issue for the country to tackle...

Posted by: illogicbuster | December 14, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Another POSE by the Democrats to repeal DADT.I't going nowhere...get on with the nation's business and stop tormenting the gay community.You insult them with your manipulative arrogance.

Posted by: bowspray | December 14, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea how DADT will end up but it sure is reminiscent of the kabuki dance on the public option. A lot of people were sold a lot of goods that turned out defective.

Posted by: wbgonne | December 14, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"If they don't vote for cloture, then we'll know what lying hypocrites they are."

Not true, CTVoter.

"[W]e write to inform you that we will not agree to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to any legislative item until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers," the letter reads... We cannot agree to prioritize any matters above the critical issues of funding the government and preventing a job-killing tax hike."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/01/senate-republican-filibuster_n_790303.html

Posted by: sbj3 | December 14, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers," the letter reads... "

And that's likely to take place today, so my claim stands.

Scott Brown is a lying hypocrite if he won't vote for cloture.

Posted by: CTVoter | December 14, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Nobody in Washington gets it. It's all about jobs! Most Americans don't care one way or the other about Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Whatever. They do care about jobs -the ones they don't have.

Posted by: georges2 | December 14, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope they amend it to require that women register for selective service and the draft. It's absurd to talk about making our military like Israel's and then not drafting women as they do.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 14, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The interesting thing to watch will be if DADT gets bumped in the Senate to make time for a vote on DREAM which was postponed earlier. If the Senate Democratic leadership wants to pass DADT, they'll finish the tax bill, the funding bills, and then schedule it. The stupid thing is that they've wasted two weeks to get the exact same deal that the Republicans indicated they were willing to accept at the end of November.

My understanding is that the entire Defense Authorization bill failed to gain cloture last week, so they'll either have to roll that into an omnibus measure or just do a continuing resolution correct? I.e. there's no plans to bring up the actual defense authorization bill again for cloture?

Posted by: jnc4p | December 14, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

There are deeper issues for Congress to ponder. Such as is it involuntary servitude to offer the current minimum wage, which is 100% lower, in terms of real dollars, than the 1969 minimum wage.

Posted by: Maddogg | December 14, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

@CTVoter ""until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers," the letter reads... "

And that's likely to take place today, so my claim stands."

Has the Democratic leadership decided on whether they are doing an omnibus bill for the rest of the fiscal year or a continuing resolution for the next three months or so? I haven't read anything about the funding bills other than the Defense Authorization one which failed to gain cloture.

Posted by: jnc4p | December 14, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Well CT - you pointed to the tax vote ("(look no further than the 83-15 vote for cloture on tax compromise)" as proof of their hypocrisy. That was actually evidence that they would stick to their letter.

Let's get the budget and tax issues done and then vote on DADT cloture. At that point we can start calling people hypocrites.

Will you call Reid a poser if he schedules the vote (in vain) before those two things are accomplished, or if he calls for a START vote first, or if he claims there is no time?

Posted by: sbj3 | December 14, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Nice way to shift the goalposts, sbj3. According to the letter you cited, it's all about fixing the tax situation. That will be fixed. Now it's all about the budget? You could be Scott Brown!

Posted by: CTVoter | December 14, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Nice try, CT - but bzzzzt! (You must have no respect for the readership here if you think you can get away with this one.)

The letter explicitly stated "We cannot agree to prioritize any matters above the critical issues of funding the government."
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"[W]e write to inform you that we will not agree to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to any legislative item until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers," the letter reads... We cannot agree to prioritize any matters above the critical issues of funding the government and preventing a job-killing tax hike."

Posted by: sbj3 | December 14, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Nobody in Washington gets it. It's all about jobs! Most Americans don't care one way or the other about Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Whatever. They do care about jobs -the ones they don't have.
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well, repealing DADT would allow a lot of gay people to get jobs. eh?

Posted by: bozhogg | December 14, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Whee-ee-ee!

Posted by: phvr38 | December 14, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Some actors could sure use Congress's publicists. They have managed to convince people that a vote takes time.

Senators already know where they stand on positions like DADT, the DREAM Act, Tax cuts. But Congress keeps trying to pretend that actually getting on the floor and voting is a huge time eater. Look, Congress works from Tuesday to Thursday if we're lucky, they take months off in the summer, weeks off all throughout the year, and here they are claiming taht 3 days isn't enough time for three votes. Anybody who believes that is kidding themselves.

Just bring up DADT so they can vote and we can see who the bigots are.

Posted by: cambel1 | December 14, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Don't expect this to pass both houses. The GOP has shown its penchant for obstructionism, and I have no doubt they'll do it again here. But good move nonetheless - make them own up to this one. Put them on the defensive.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | December 14, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

'Scott Brown is a lying hypocrite if he won't vote for cloture.'

Well, of course he is. Being a republican guarantees that.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 14, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ravensfan20008: "But good move nonetheless - make them own up to this one. Put them on the defensive."
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ROFL. Repubs & Independents (who voted for Repubs) could not care less about this issue.

Posted by: illogicbuster | December 14, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse


The Dim weasels in the House are going to take the tax cut bill from the Senate, rewrite it yet again and then it has to go back to the Senate yet again.

And that is just the tax bill. That does not include the federal budget, which is non-existent. It also does not include the military budget which has not yet been passed.

No Republican in the Senate is going to consider any other bill to come up for a floor vote until there the cut, a federal budget and a military budget are all done deals. That includes Scott Brown or anybody else. You can take that to the bank.


Posted by: screwjob23 | December 14, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

It's about time.

The most ironic part about DADT is that the military is asked to face death in their job, and people think they can't face gay people!

Going in to the military should be the same as entering any civil service.

Posted by: thelaw1 | December 14, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama has not fulfilled one campaign promise so do not expect DADT to be eliminated. Obama is all talk and no action.

Posted by: mascmen7 | December 14, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse


"fund the government" = pass a federal budget for 2011, and pass a military defense spending bill for 2011

Has that been done yet? No

Has a tax cut bill been passed yet? No

Then don't expect the Senate to vote again on a repeal of DADT before the lame duck session expires on Friday. Not going to happen. This Senate has already rejected DADT repeal twice this year.


Posted by: screwjob23 | December 14, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The most ironic part about DADT is that the military is asked to face death in their job, and people think they can't face gay people!

______________________

I think DADT should be overturned, but we are talking about a bunch of 18 and 19 year old kids (mostly male) that went from playing Xbox to carrying a gun. If you think there won't be problems, you are lying to yourself. Just listen to the chatter on Xbox Live sometime and you'll understand.

I am very upset though that this is even an issue right now. Taxes go up next month, the Government isn't funded, and there are MANY other issues that need to be addressed first (Economy anyone?) before DADT.

On the other hand, I bet all the Fed. Employees are looking forward to the Government not being funded. The continuing resolution ends Friday, which means starting Monday they get vacations. Good choice Congress.

Posted by: Bailers | December 14, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Give it up fruit cakes!

Posted by: ObamaCareisUnconstitutional | December 14, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse


The reason that the Senate killed the defense authorization bill in the first place is because it contained a repeal of DADT. Harry Reid knew that the GOP would never let repeal come to a vote so he tried to jam it into the defense bill, which the GOP wanted to pass. Reid of course misjudged, and the GOP blocked the entire defense bill. The reason Republicans killed a bill that they wanted to pass, was because it contained a repeal of DADT in it.

What makes any Dim in his right mind think that a standalone bill to repeal DADT is going to get anywhere? Even a leftist WaPo hack like Sargent should grasp this.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 14, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Some homosexuals take female hormones to be that way when they should be taking male hormones to be what they are. I know homosexuals that have changed and are now married and have children.

Go to the link below and read what Randy Thomas, Kent Paris, Carlton Quattlebaum and others have to say about their change from the homosexual life style.
Over the past 15 years Randy Thomas has gone from a seriously liberal gay-identified man arguing with pro-lifers and mean Christians to a seriously conservative Christian-identified man attracted to women, supporting pro-life causes and contending with gay activists.
http://www.exodusinternational.org/content/blogcategory/20/149/

Posted by: Bill1776 | December 14, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Look for millions of Right Wing bigots to piss themselves.

Posted by: SmallBusiness | December 14, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Look for millions of Right Wing bigots to piss themselves.

Posted by: SmallBusiness | December 14, 2010 1:59 PM
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Look for millions of Left-Wingers to sterotype all the other Americans.....sad

Posted by: allenridge | December 14, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Besides the ignorance behind hate crimes like the recent gay torture story from NYC, think of the message sent to these thugs when they were adolescents in the '00's. When the Bush Regime engaged in waterboarding and other abuse of gihad suspects, and when confronted about it, openly said it was justified.

The question now is just how many voices, will continue to stump for, and trade on bigotry?

- Balkingpoints / www
@Balkingpoints / Tw

Posted by: RField7 | December 14, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Some homosexuals take female hormones to be that way when they should be taking male hormones to be what they are. I know homosexuals that have changed and are now married and have children.

Go to the link below and read what Randy Thomas, Kent Paris, Carlton Quattlebaum and others have to say about their change from the homosexual life style.
Over the past 15 years Randy Thomas has gone from a seriously liberal gay-identified man arguing with pro-lifers and mean Christians to a seriously conservative Christian-identified man attracted to women, supporting pro-life causes and contending with gay activists.
http://www.exodusinternational.org/content/blogcategory/20/149/

Posted by: Bill1776
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Oh, and make sure you talk to Michael Bussee and Gary Cooper, the founders of Exodus International who left the group and became a committed couple. When they left the group, they stated in no uncertain terms that conversion therapies do not work. You should also talk to John Paulk, who, despite being on the board of Exodus International, was caught in a gay bar in DC in the late 1990s. Oh, and finally, talk to the American Psychiatric Association, which has criticized gay conversion therapies for inflicting psychological harm on people.

Posted by: binaryboy | December 14, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Look for millions of Right Wing bigots to piss themselves.

Posted by: SmallBusiness | December 14, 2010 1:59 PM
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Look for millions of Left-Wingers to sterotype all the other Americans.....sad

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lol -- all 'other americans' are rightwing idiots?

happily, they are not. but the ones that are spend all their time on comment boards.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 14, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

RELIGIOUS DEATH LAWS DOSE NOT PASS THE 14AMEND. EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS, LAW DOCTRINES OF [RATIONAL BASIS TEST 431US471,489 427US307,314, STRICT SCRUTINY 403US365, 405US330, 411US1,16-17 , COMPELLING INTEREST 394US618,634 AND SUSPECT CLASSIFICATION 411US1,28, INTERSEX/ XXY MALES IS GENETICS THEREFORE A RACE 379US184,191 AS ALCHEMY TEXT SAY THERE ARE THREE SEXES MALE-FEMALE-& HERMAPHRODITE CALLED THE REBIS SPICES WHICH IS BOTH THE OLDEST FROM WHICH "ADAM" WAS CREATED AS, AND WHAT MAN WILL BECOME AGAIN, SEE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT ON GENETICS PROTECTIONS, AGAIN FORIEGN/ RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE NO EXCUSE TO BE INHUMAN NOR A TERRORIST PERIOD

THE US CONSTITUTION 1ST AND 11TH US CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS

NO FOREIGN LAWS OVER US CITIZENS PERIOD,( RES IPSA LOQUITUR, RES JUDICATA) IT BARS THE INCORPORATION OF ANY FOREIGN LAWS INCLUDING RELIGIOUS LAWS (SHARIA-LEVITICAL- VATICAN etc) FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE they must be of HUMANE CIVILITY (SECULAR in purpose and effect see Law Doctrines ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE/ IN TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, BY ANY OF THE 4 SEPARATE POWERS (EXECUTIVE/ CONGRESSIONAL/ JUDICIAL AND BY VOTE OF THE US CITIZENS ) FOREIGN INHUMANE DEATH LAWS, IT'S PROHIBITED AND US CONSTITUTIONALLY INAPPROPRIATE

STATES CAN NOT CONSIDER FOREIGN LAWS (ART.1sec.9Cl 3& sec10 Cl 1&3) ( RES JUDICATA )

AS THE US CONSTITUTION PROHIBITS INAPPROPRIATE LAWS WHICH ARE NON-SECULAR HUMANE CIVILITY IN THEIR PURPOSE AND EFFECTS ON US CITIZENS, SHARIA-LEVITICUS ARE NOT SECULAR
SEE BILL OF ATTAINDER, EX POST FACTO, ART.1sec.9Cl 3& sec10 Cl 1&3 " NO STATE SHALL...ENTER INTO ANY TREATY, ALLIANCE OR CONFEDERATION.....NO STATE SHALL...ENTER INTO ANY AGREEMENT OR COMPACT WITH ANOTHER STATE, OR WITH A FOREIGN POWER,....., 381US437,448, AS A RELIGIOUS LAW WOULD BE A SUBTLE JUDICIAL TREATY OF WHICH BOTH NO STATE NOR JUDGE CAN DO , BOTH FOREIGN /RELIGIOUS INEQUALITY/ DEATH LAWS-CUSTOMS ARE CRUEL,UNCONSTITUTIONAL


Posted by: shaiarra | December 14, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

more homo BS. hill gang has nothing else to do?

Posted by: pofinpa | December 14, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

(US CONST.AMEND.14sec1) "RELIGIOUS LAWS [SHARIA/ LEVITICAL etc] GIVES NO EQUAL PROTECTIONS OF THE LAWS, NO FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION, by privilege and law I AM immune from Religious Sharia/ Leviticus Laws the US/a State can not abridge this right, for such Legislation would be INAPPROPRIATE AS CHILL CHILLING EFFECTS LAW DOCTRINE 380US479:472US491,503, (20th AMEND.sec4) "ONLY CONGRESS CAN AUTHORIZE DEATH PENALTIES, NOT RELIGIOUS LAWS AND NOT FOREIGN LAWS ON US CITIZENS", I DO NOT CONSENT TO RELIGIOUS LAWS (LEVITICAL/ SHARIA) AND WAIVE THE BENEFITS (.)


ART.6 CL.2, AND IN CL.3, ( STAR E' DESISIS, RES IPSA LOQUITUR)

THE US CONSTITUTION IS ABOVE RELIGIOUS INHUMANE LAWS, DON'T LIKE IT, THEN LEAVE PERIOD, THE CONDUCT OF THIS NATION IS THE CONSTITUTION AND FEDERAL STATUTES, NOT THE JUNGLE LAWS OF INHUMANE NON-CIVIL SUPERSTITIOUS RELIGIOUS DELUSIONAL HALLUCINATION NON-REASONABLE LAWS, THE LAWS OF THIS LAND IS THE CONSTITUTION AND STATUES, NOT RELIGION, THEY SHOULD LEAVE PERIOD, SHARIA FORBIDS THE US CONSTITUTION TO BE ABOVE ISLAM, THAT'S TREASON !


RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE NOT HUMANE EQUALITY LAWS (SHARIA/ LEVITICAL etc), THERE JIM CROW LIKE
RELIGIOUS INHUMAN DEATH LAWS ARE VERY MUCH OUT DATED AND SHOULD FADE AWAY ASAP
RES IPSA LOQUITUR, THE INHUMANESS DEATH/JIHAD etc. SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR IT'S SELF

MY CONCERNS ARE AS FOLLOWS: (RELIGIOUS LAWS OUT LAWS THE US CONSTITUTION AND U.C.C.)
RELIGIOUS INHUMAN NON-CIVILITY LAWS GREATLY INFRINGES ON THE US CIVIL/BILL OF RIGHTS


* SHARIA Outlaws The US CONSTITUTIONAL PRECEPTS AND EQUALITY FOR ALL US CITIZENS/&FATWAS ,FOR SHARIA DOES HAVE SEGREGATIONIST LAWS THAT CONFLICTS WITH US CONSTITUTION & CIVIL/BILL OF RIGHTS, THAT IN IT'S SELF IS BOTH UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND INAPPROPRIATE PERIOD

(ARTICLES 4 sec 1-4 "EQUALITIES", 6 sec3)
"RELIGIOUS TEST", AMENDMENTS (1st AMEND) "RESPECT TO ESTABLISH A RELIGION, AND PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY TO ADDRESS THE GOVERNMENT OF GRIEVANCES" RELIGIOUS LAWS SAY BECOME VIOLENT TO ALL THOSE THAT REJECT GOD'S LAWS ie" INHUMANE NON-EQUALITY DEATH LAWS" ,

(2nd AMEND) IT OUTLAWS THE US MILITARY,(4th AMEND) "NO MIRANDA WARNINGS" NO OWNERSHIP OF PROPERTIES, (5th AMEND) IT DOES DOUBLE JEOPARDY OF LIFE AND LIMBS, NO OWNERSHIP RIGHTS OF PROPERTY NOR LIBERTY, (6th AMEND) HUMANE RIGHTS FOR THE ACCUSED , (8th AMEND) "CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS INFLICTED, (9th AMEND)" IT DENY AND DISPARAGE RIGHTS RETAINED BY THE US CITIZENS",

(11th AMEND) " IT IMPOSES FOREIGN LAWS AND CUSTOMS ON US CITIZENS BY CITIZENS/SUBJECTS OF A FOREIGN STATE (RELIGIOUS LAWS , ie Remember The US OATH OF ALLIGENCE , allegiance to the United States Constitution,* renunciation of allegiance and laws to any foreign country to which the immigrant has had previous allegiances to * defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic") , SHARIA IS A FOREIGN LAW FROM A FOREIGN COUNTRY, IT CAN NOT GOVERN THE USA

Posted by: shaiarra | December 14, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

ie XTIANS USE OF LEVITICUS ,BIBLE AND SHARIA TO BLOCK DADT REPEAL AND SAME SEX MARRIAGE CONTRACTS THAT THE US CONSTITUTION LAW DOCTRINE CALLED "FREEDOM OF CONTRACTS", ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND TREASONOUS DO TO THE FACT THAT THOSE RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE FOREIGN LAWS NOT NOT NATIVE AMERICAN LAWS THAT ARE THE ONLY RELIGIOUS LAW FROM THE USA, THE US CONSTITUTION FORBIDS BOTH FOREIGN/ RELIGIOUS LAWS BEING ENFORCED ON US CITIZENS

Posted by: shaiarra | December 14, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse


There's too much homosexual activity going on in this country.

If they repeat DADT there'll just be more and more demands from the gays.

Next us, Marines in Dresses (freedom of expression).


Posted by: lindalovejones | December 14, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

In a way it makes sense. The Senate voted to move forward on the tax deal and once that's out of the way there will be enough GOP votes to move this forward.

Posted by: bbface21 | December 14, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

ie XTIANS USE OF LEVITICUS ,BIBLE AND SHARIA TO BLOCK DADT REPEAL AND SAME SEX MARRIAGE CONTRACTS THAT THE US CONSTITUTION LAW DOCTRINE CALLED "FREEDOM OF CONTRACTS", ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND TREASONOUS DO TO THE FACT THAT THOSE RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE FOREIGN LAWS NOT NOT NATIVE AMERICAN LAWS THAT ARE THE ONLY RELIGIOUS LAW FROM THE USA, THE US CONSTITUTION FORBIDS BOTH FOREIGN/ RELIGIOUS LAWS BEING ENFORCED ON US CITIZENS

Posted by: shaiarra | December 14, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The whole point of DADT is to not oppress or elevate anyone, but to try to avoid turning the military into yet another giant playground for the liberal Democrats' endless list of high volume social issues. The U.S. military has historically been one of the most open and inclusive facets of the nation, engaging in policies like integrated units well before society at large developed along those lines. At the same time, it needs to remain an effective fighting force and deterrant, something that is hard to accomplish when our own troops are suing each other for discrimination claims and each commanding officer needs his own standing legal defense team. DADT -- an evil policy by noted racist homophobe Bill Clinton -- has actually worked perfectly well by telling civilians that they can have their societal debates as long as they leave them at the door when they enter the military, because the Army has bigger fish to fry.

Naturally, the Democrats look at this state of affairs, as well as the complete deconstruction of our economy that has been enacted over the last two years, and decide "Well heck, we're fighting two wars and a global battle against terrorism, so now must be the perfect time to drag the Army into social battles. Because otherwise a few gay people might feel underappreciated."

Posted by: zippyspeed | December 14, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The liberal Democrats will stop at nothing to do as much damage to America's military, as they can, while they can. It's a desperate move and I hope it fails.

Posted by: battleground51 | December 14, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Not enough time for the Senate to repeal DADT?

Sure there's time! There's plenty of the time for the Senate to destroy the military cohesion of the troops in the field. There's plenty of time for the Senate to force open homosexuals into the showers and foxholes with our Marines.

There's always plenty of time for liberals to rip apart the foundations of society.

Posted by: Horace2 | December 14, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow this topic really brings out the garbage.

Hey Bill1776, there've been some changes the last 234 years. You have some catching up to do. Those conversion therapies don't work.

And "too much homosexual activity in this country?" That doesn't even pass the sniff test. Unless you live in a room in a bathhouse or something.

Frothing bigots.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 14, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Funny that a man can awaken one morning and discover he is a homosexual and that's enlightenment, but if a preacher says a gay can become a heterosexual, then that's hate speech.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 14, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Give it up fruit cakes!

Posted by: ObamaCareisUnconstitutional |
+_________----


i dare you to say that to the face of any gay soldier. they would knock your bigoted behind from here to sunday.

in the meantime, i am so proud that your fruit cake behind is probably also praising the bravery of that Birther Doctor who was too chicken to go back to war. that little fruit cake was unwilling to do what so many gays were willing to do. Take a lawful order and serve their country like a man/woman.

Your mamma must be so proud

Posted by: racerdoc | December 14, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Give it up fruit cakes!

Posted by: ObamaCareisUnconstitutional |
+_________----


i dare you to say that to the face of any gay soldier. they would knock your bigoted behind from here to sunday.

in the meantime, i am so proud that your fruit cake behind is probably also praising the bravery of that Birther Doctor who was too chicken to go back to war. that little fruit cake was unwilling to do what so many gays were willing to do. Take a lawful order and serve their country like a man/woman.

Your mamma must be so proud

Posted by: racerdoc | December 14, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Give it up fruit cakes!

Posted by: ObamaCareisUnconstitutional |
+_________----


i dare you to say that to the face of any gay soldier. they would knock your bigoted behind from here to sunday.

in the meantime, i am so proud that your fruit cake behind is probably also praising the bravery of that Birther Doctor who was too chicken to go back to war. that little fruit cake was unwilling to do what so many gays were willing to do. Take a lawful order and serve their country like a man/woman.

Your mamma must be so proud

Posted by: racerdoc | December 14, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Give it up fruit cakes!

Posted by: ObamaCareisUnconstitutional |
+_________----


i dare you to say that to the face of any gay soldier. they would knock your bigoted behind from here to sunday.

in the meantime, i am so proud that your fruit cake behind is probably also praising the bravery of that Birther Doctor who was too chicken to go back to war. that little fruit cake was unwilling to do what so many gays were willing to do. Take a lawful order and serve their country like a man/woman.

Your mamma must be so proud

Posted by: racerdoc | December 14, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: fiona5
If they don't do it, the courts will and this is what republicans want. They don't have the cojones to pass repeal, even though they know it is necessary, they are too cowed by the teabaggers. So they will allow the courts to do it, even though it will harm the military. Nothing matters to them but reelection and tax cuts for themselves and their corporate buddies.
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Talking cojones are we, fiona5?

It's this raging anti-straight, anti-business, anti-traditional spew that moved this Blue Dog out of the Democratic column in 2004, and will continue to keep the straight, Christian vets from giving a dime to Progressives, Liberals and Democrats. Y'all kiss my ruck sack. Kill DADT repeal.

Central Highlands U, Class of '70.

Posted by: BluePelican | December 15, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

SAME SEXERS ARE US CITIZENS (9,13&14 AMENDMENTS) AND YET THEY ARE MADE TO LIVE AND STRUGGLE LIKE SLAVES UNDER AN OLD KKK LIKE JIM CROW SEGREGATIONIST REGIME CALLED ARCHAIC RELIGIOUS DEADLY HYPOCRITICAL PRINCIPLES , GOOGLE: CHURCH INVOLVEMENT IN US EUROPEAN TRANS ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE......YOU WILL READ THEY HAD INVESTMENT AND PROFITS INTERESTS, OWNED SLAVE TRADING COMPANIES, AND WERE ANTI-ABOLITION PRO-BIBLICAL ORDAIN SLAVERY ENFORCEMENT, FACE WITH THAT, WAS THAT HOLY AND SACRED FROM "GOD", IS THAT HYPOCRISY IN COMPLAINING ABOUT PHARAOH, EGYPT & BONDAGE, etc OR NOT.

/>...SAME SEXERS can have jobs (no discrimination there). SAME SEXERS can go to movies, restaurants, concerts, colleges, etc., (no discrimination there either). SAME SEXERS can have health insurance (no discrimination there). SAME SEXERS can be foster parents, adopt kids, be artificially inseminated if they've got the $$ to pay for it (no discrimination there)...<

In at least 30 states you can be fired if you are glbt. You can also be evicted, expelled, denied credit, denied housing, denied the RIGHT to make medical decisions or final arrangements for your partner/spouse. Thanks to the "frc" and their ilk, glbt couples also can't adopt or be foster parents in more than a few states. I suggest that you get your info from reputable sites.

I WELCOME THE NEW WORLD ORDER (NWO) ILLUMINATING A 1000POINTS OF THE LIGHT FOR THE WILL,LAW AND LOVE OF HUMANE CIVILITY, THE GOLDEN DAWN hd283271 OF A NEW AGE FOR HUMANE KIND, WE ARE AT A ROSY CROSSROAD IN TIME, WITH 93REASONS FOR HUMANE CIVILITY IN Caring Fiduciary Respect, FOR IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT THE RELIGIOUS SLAVE TRADER COMPANY OWNING EXTREMIST OFFER ANY DAY AMEN, AS SUSAN BOYLE SANGED "I DREAM A DREAM WHERE LIFE'S WORTH LIVING.....", NOT INHUMANE SLAVE LIKE DEATH TREATMENTS, HOW LONG ....TOO LONG....WAY OVER DO, ALL OLD JIM CROW BULLIES MUST GO, RELIGION IS NO EXCUSE TO BE INHUMANE...nor Terrorism EVER, OLD JIM CROW MUST GO PERIOD, in this Chaos we must press for Order, Template, Originality, for Humane Civility

Posted by: shaiarra | December 15, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

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