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Posted at 3:40 PM ET, 12/20/2010

Does Haley Barbour have a "bubba" problem?

By Greg Sargent

Haley Barbour is being taken seriously as a 2012 contender in Beltway circles, and he's a major GOP fundraiser and establishment player, which explains why it should be big news that he whitewashed the history of the Citizen Council in his hometown of Yazoo city, Mississippi.

In an interview with the Weekly Standard, Barbour said the northern stereotype of the Citizens Councils is all wrong, describing his local Council as an "organization of town leaders" that had actually opposed the Klan. But as Matthew Yglesias and others have pointed out today, the Council in Yazoo City was essentially the respectable face of white supremacist political activism.

Barbour's spokesman is now insisting he wasn't reaching a historical verdict on the Councils. But this misses the point: The historical details aside, Barbour's description points to a larger problem, one that goes to the heart of the talk about him running for president: Barbour has repeatedly been overly casual about matters of race. He seems incapable of acknowledging that race is the third rail of American politics, or even acting as if that's the case.

Take, for instance, his treatment of the controversy that ensued when Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell declared April "Confederate History Month." Barbour insisted the controversy "doesn't amount to diddly," and praised his own state's "Confederate Memorial Day":

"To me, it's a sort of feeling that it's a nit, that it is not significant, that it's ... trying to make a big deal out of something doesn't amount to diddly," he said.

Barbour, a Republican, said his state for years has marked a Confederate Memorial Day, under the leadership of Democratic and Republican governors -- and a Democratic legislature.

"I'm unaware of them being criticized for it or them having their supporters feel uncomfortable with it," Barbour said Sunday.

McDonnell, of course, rapidly reversed his decision, recognizing (unlike Barbour) that it was no longer politically tenable.

Separately, Ben Smith points to more evidence of Barbour's casualness, unearthing a 1982 episode in which Barbour, according to The New York Times, dressed down an aide: "Mr. Barbour warned that if the aide persisted in racist remarks, he would be reincarnated as a watermelon and placed at the mercy of blacks."

There's a lot of talk on the Internets to the effect that Barbour fully intended to make his claim about the Councils, as part of some sort of "southern strategy." Whether or not that's true, this kind of skirting of the line on race makes GOP establishment figures very nervous these days. When Michael Steele recently acknowledged that the GOP had been pursuing a "southern strategy" for four decades, GOP insiders were privately furious about Steele's lapse.

So if the narrative takes hold that Barbour is undisciplined or sloppy about racial matters, and is unwilling or unable to keep this third rail at arm's length, this could seriously damage his standing among insiders as a 2012 presidental hopeful.

UPDATE, 4:34 p.m.: Another example: Barbour recently tried to suggest that southern Republicans were an enlightened force behind civil rights.

UPDATE, 2:03 p.m.: Barbour issues a statement taking it all back.

By Greg Sargent  | December 20, 2010; 3:40 PM ET
Categories:  2012, race  
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"Does Haley Barbour have a "bubba" problem?"

Yes.

But not only that, the entire Republican Party has a problem when someone with such an overtly racist past and who makes such overtly racist comments can be seen as PRESIDENTIAL.

The GOP has a deep deep problem with racism.

The real question is why people with such questionable stances are given such credibility in the party as to be seen as leaders or potentially as the POTUS.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 20, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on Greg, it isn't like the Council of Conservative Citizens is a bunch of racist wack jobs or anything.

They aren't doing overtly racist things like trying to boycott movies because they have black actors. Because if they were...

What? Oh, they are?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/12/when_the_white_man_loses_the_nordic_gods_1.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: HansSolo | December 20, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

As an Alabama native and veteran of the Civil Rights era in that state, I find Barbour's completely unreconstructed Southern racism both familiar and abominable. Combined with his admitted intelligence and reputed political gravitas, he is also frightening.

But may I make a request?

Leave Barbour's well deserved deconstruction to after the lame duck session and please give judicial nominations the same incredible attention that you gave DADT repeal. There's no reason why the 111th Congress should go home until ALL of Obama's vetted picks has received an up-or-down vote. The future of ACA, DADT and many other important laws is at stake.

Posted by: paul65 | December 20, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Reality Check:

Red States Ripoff. View the map which shows how many Red States take more from DC than they send there and how most Blue States are subsidizing those Red States Fiscal Restrain Hypocrites.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/04/the_red_state_ripoff.html

"Fourth Branch comments:

There is a very strong correlation, then, between a state voting for Republicans and receiving more in federal spending than its residents pay to the federal government in taxes (the rust belt and Texas being notable exceptions). In essence, those in blue states are subsidizing those in red states. Both red and blue states appear to be acting politically in opposition to their economic interests. Blue states are voting for candidates who are likely to continue the policies of red state subsidization while red states are voting for candidates who profess a desire to reduce federal spending (and presumably red state subsidization)."

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Soon we'll be hearing that Barbour was just joking, just like Rush jokes but doesn't really mean it!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 20, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Dear Harry Reid:

Judicial nominations, judicial nominations, judicial nominations, judicial nominations.

Judicial nominations, judicial nominations, judicial nominations, judicial nominations.

TIA
America

Posted by: paul65 | December 20, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It is the Palin effect.

Haley, and all the other potential Republican Presidential candidates are trying to find a way to run to the right of Snooki Of The Tundra. They know that is the only way they can compete for the Republican Activist base, in the 2012 primaries.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Barbour is a power broker, he is not a candidate. Political brokers are in the same social circles, committees, etc. as the candidates, so sometimes they are mistaken for candidates.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 20, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I think thats its a safe bet for the GOP not to equate fundraising ability with electability. Barbour has many character flaws to overcome, which in a perfect world wouldnt be considered, but this is the modern media era, where every utterance is examined under a microscope. Conservatives should be alarmed for 2012, not encouraged. Their voting bloc alone (nor the Democrats) can ensure an election, so you need candidates that can cross party lines. I ve yet to see one GOP candidate that is electable, regardless of what conservative media outlets drool over, aka Caribou Barbie. You think 2008 was bad for her? Try running alone with zero credentials in 2012 and watch Obama cruise to term #2.

Posted by: sherlockjt | December 20, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

LOL to TMP has this up, apparently from the organization that came from the above mentioned.

"The Council of Conservative Citizens has launched a website calling for a boycott of the new Marvel comic-inspired film Thor, because a character is being played by a black actor."

It's not even Thor who is the black actor, just some supporting actor but we can't have the blacks acting in what should be a bunch of white folks!

Anyways, Fox will spin this as some how Obama's fault that he's dividing this country or maybe they'll drag up the 'whitey' controversy again.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 20, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that Repub candidates have found out that there is nothing so outrageous that they won't say it. If it gets the base the red meat they need, they don't care. They don't think the mainstream media will make them pay the price among moderates and independents. You beat your basest base into a froth and then ignore everyone else. So far this has worked fabulously well for the Repubs.

Posted by: Alex3 | December 20, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@paul65

"Leave Barbour's well deserved deconstruction to after the lame duck session and please give judicial nominations the same incredible attention that you gave DADT repeal. There's no reason why the 111th Congress should go home until ALL of Obama's vetted picks has received an up-or-down vote."

I believe that Reid & McConnell have already cut a deal on the judicial nominations.

"WASHINGTON -- After a months long blockade, Senate Republicans have agreed to let at least 19 of President Barack Obama's non-controversial judicial nominees win confirmation in the waning days of the congressional session in exchange for a commitment by Democrats not to seek votes on four others, according to officials familiar with the deal."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/20/AR2010122003310.html

Posted by: jnc4p | December 20, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Caribou Barbie. You think 2008 was bad for her? Try running alone with zero credentials in 2012 and watch Obama cruise to term #2."

Her negatives are quite high in Alaska. If she is the nominee, it's possible she could lose her home state in the general.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 20, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

He's not "casual" about race--he's rewriting history to make racist white organizations responsible for achieving desegregation, as opposed to the black activists and liberal whites who literally risked their lives for it.

It's a rewriting of history on par with making Germany the country responsible for ending WWII and bringing down the Nazi regime.

Posted by: theorajones1 | December 20, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

LOL to TMP has this up, apparently from the organization that came from the above mentioned.

"The Council of Conservative Citizens has launched a website calling for a boycott of the new Marvel comic-inspired film Thor, because a character is being played by a black actor."

It's not even Thor who is the black actor, just some supporting actor but we can't have the blacks acting in what should be a bunch of white folks!

Anyways, Fox will spin this as some how Obama's fault that he's dividing this country or maybe they'll drag up the 'whitey' controversy again.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 20, 2010 4:19 PM
............................

Many of those right wing morons can not distinguish between fiction and reality. That is why they swallow all the lies that the Republicans and Faux News tell them. Remember when many of them used to talk about calling in Jack Baur, like he actually existed?

Forty percent of the country has swallowed the Big Stupid lie that Global Cooling is what is melting away all the glaciers.

When that many people can be persuaded to believe something comparable to claiming that the colder they set their freezers, the faster the contents will thaw out, then you can get them riled up about fictional comic book characters.

Pretty soon , they will start demanding to see Thor's birth certificate.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Did Bill Clinton have a "bubba" problem?

Posted by: clawrence12 | December 20, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Barbour must be polling well against Barry to get the DNC to coordinate with the juice boxer to effect the hit. Robert Byrd and Reverend Jeremiah Wright hardest hit.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 20, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

theorajones1 ftw!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 20, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Reality Check: Dominionists + John Birch Society members paired with mormons who subscribe to the White Horse Prophecy (which Orrin Hatch has never denied) and Opus Dei/Knights of Malta,ad nauseum mixed with a healthy dose of charismatic #CCC #KOCH evangelicals yearning for those EndTimes ~ Haley Barbour's 'Perfect Storm' (how he's gonna climb up on that White Horse remains for gravity to accomplish) "Remember the Alamo, ya'all!"

Posted by: mommadona1 | December 20, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Troll loves him some racist confederates.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 20, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"Haley Barbour's 'Perfect Storm' (how he's gonna climb up on that White Horse remains for gravity to accomplish)"

Two words: Fork Lift

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 20, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes Ethan, my comment was unequiva

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 20, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Trent Lott was drummed out of his post as Senate Majority Leader for an equivalently bad statement concerning Dixiecrats 10 years ago (seems like yesterday).

If anything, this kind of statement is less acceptable now than it was then.

What seems most pernicious to me about both Lott's and Barbour's comments is that -- I believe -- neither reflects extreme overt racism. Rather -- I believe, both reflect a kind of BLINDNESS to race reality that should be unacceptable in a public servant.

Posted by: paul65 | December 20, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I still say that Democrats should crossover for the Republican Primaries, in order to nominate Palin. After all Rush Limbaugh tried his best to get his listeners to join in the Democratic Primaries, in 2008, so it would be very rude of us not to repay his courtesy.

Therefore I urge Democrats to vote in Republican Primaries in 2012, in order to nominate Snooki Of The Tundra, for President.

Call your movement: Patriots For Palin, And The American Way. You Betcha!

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes Ethan, my comment was unequivocally racist. As you know, all non-Democrats are racist. I'm a non-Democrat, therefore I'm a racist.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 20, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

TrollMcWhinger.


That would explain why you always refer to him as "Barry", and never by his real name.

Barry was a nickname he was called when he was a mere schoolboy, but you know that, I am sure; and that is why you will only call him "Barry". It is your way of calling him Boy!

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"Haley Barbour's 'Perfect Storm' (how he's gonna climb up on that White Horse remains for gravity to accomplish)"

Two words: Fork Lift

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 20, 2010 4:43 PM

......................

You know me, always willing to help out a candidate, even from the opposition, so:

How about a nice campaign slogan:

Go Forklift Yourself Hailey!

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Liam,

That and the fact that BushHitlerMcHaliburton was already taken.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 20, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"my comment was unequivocally racist."

It was. I'm glad you admit it.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 20, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Troll.

There is only one reason why you will only call him Barry. You think that lets you subliminally refer to him as Boy.

If the Sheet Fits.......

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Liam, as I said, that and the fact That BushHitlerMcHaliburton was tAken. Obviously, using a something other than the title, President, and last name,ion this case Obama, is always racist. How could it not be?

Ethan, of course pointing out a coordinated attack on someone is racist. I ask again, how could it not be?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 20, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Barbour versus Obama 2012? An America that overwhelmingly supported DADT would give that to America's first black president in a heart beat (thank God). OK, let's move on to:

Judicial nominations, judicial nominations, judicial nomination, judicial nominations.

Judicial nominations, judicial nominations, judicial nomination, judicial nominations.

Posted by: paul65 | December 20, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Troll,

Thanks for admitting that you always call him Barry, because you know that comes across as calling him an Uppity,..... Boy.

Be sure to wear some nice rubber sheets to the next gathering of right wing bed wetters.(With thanks to Woody Allen, for that line)

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Troll,

This is pointing out a coordinated attack:

"Hey it's a coordinated attack."

This is you being a racist:

"Barbour must be polling well against Barry to get the DNC to coordinate with the juice boxer to effect the hit. Robert Byrd and Reverend Jeremiah Wright hardest hit."

I'll leave it to you to figure out the difference between them.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 20, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Now that you guys got your homosexual wish with the repeal of DADT you are so bored that you are reverting to the old racism standby. Why don't you try something new!

In other news, the hated AMNESTY scheme cooked up by the Obamacrats, called the DREAM act, was soundly shot down.

If the Obamacrats had tried half as hard to get DREAM passed as they did to sanction open homosexuality in the armed forces, it would have passed.

This shows Latinos just where they lie on the Democrat, most favored list. Directly under homosexuals. A very uncomfortable position, I'm sure.

Maybe Latinos will think twice before trusting Democrats again.

Posted by: battleground51 | December 20, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Paul65:

Quiet Deal On Obama Judicial Nominees Unfolds In Senate After Prolonged GOP Blockade

After a monthslong blockade, Senate Republicans have agreed to let at least 19 of President Barack Obama's non-controversial judicial nominees win confirmation in the waning days of the congressional session in exchange for a commitment by Democrats not to seek votes on four others, according to officials familiar with the deal.

Among the four is Goodwin Liu, a law school dean seen as a potential future Supreme Court pick, whose current nomination to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco has sparked strong criticism from Republicans.

As part of the arrangement, the Senate has approved 10 judges in the past few days without a single dissenting vote. One of them, Albert Diaz, had been awaiting confirmation to the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., since clearing the Judiciary Committee in January.

The agreement was worked out between Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and his Republican counterpart, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, with the knowledge of the White House, officials said. Spokesmen for the two Senate leaders declined comment.

In the talks, Reid also pushed for confirmation for James Cole, whom Obama picked last spring for the No. 2 post in the Justice Department. His nomination to be deputy attorney general is opposed by Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the senior Republican on the Judiciary Committee, and its fate is unclear.

more here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/20/obama-appointee-deal_n_799313.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 20, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Liam,

Yes, I always use something other than his title and last name. Obviously racist. How could it not be?

Ethan, obviously there is not d

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 20, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Liam,

Yes, I always use something other than his title and last name. Obviously racist. How could it not be?

Ethan, obviously there is no difference in what I wrote and what, say, Plugs might have said when running for President. Or even The Clenis. Obviously racist, how could it not be?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 20, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Haley would say that as a continuing denial of ANYTHING ever happening in Mississippi that has ANYTHING to do with race... He will always say there is nothing that's racial in Mississippi as long as he is alive.

Haley is the Grand Wizard of the State's KKK so he's PAID to do this publicly... You have to either live there now OR have lived thru it's past to laugh at Haley's on-going public lies... I lived thru it's past and watched as it got to where it is (publicly and in reality) today. They are VERY DIFFERENT places.

I challenge you to take a long weekend and fly to Jackson Mississippi International Airport; rent your self a car; get a map of the state and head kinda north-east out of Jackson on US 49 and go to Yazoo City... Get a good flavor of what Haley and his Klan buddies have brought to the area. But THEN, after getting some gas, or even staying the night, mozy on up NW toward Silver City and Indianola - US Hwy 49 W should take you fine.. OR, you can opt to go up toward Greenwood on US Hwy 49 E.. You pick based on how much abject poverty you can stomach in one day.

After that little saunter, either way you choose, get back on the road and head yourself to Cleveland (MS. that is).... When you get to Cleveland, you're in the middle of the Mississippi delta... Home of every vestige of slavery STILL in the US and base of Haley's lie... It should only take you a day, unless you've been overcome by the sadness of this experience so far and need to stay hold up somewhere an extra day to re-group, hit US Hwy. 61 North... head North toward Memphis. What you'll see in the next few hours of that sojourn will change your view PERMANENTLY on everything, any living and serving WHITE politician from that area ever says - publicly or privately - on ANY subject - FOREVER.

EVERYTHING that Haley Barbour says is a hoax. It's a lie and a Fairy Tale of EPIC proportion... and folks keep thinking he's telling them the truth.

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | December 20, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

John McCain kept crashing planes when he was in the military, and as soon as he returned home, he began cheating on his marriage.

Gay people must have made him behave like that. They disrupted his piloting abilities, and moral cohesion.

I bet it was gay people who made him select Sarah Palin as his running mate too.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The Citizen Councils didn't like the KKK because the KKK was running around stringing up the N's and that was bad for business. The Citizen Councils and their police forces enforced the illegal de facto segregation with less violence.

Neither group was happy about the real Americans who came to The South to protect the Constitutional rights of Black Americans to vote and be educated. They'd lost the war on Slavery but were intent on winning their "State's Rights" fantasy.

Posted by: thebobbob | December 20, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

How did I miss Steele admitting the Southern Strategy? Early Christmas present for me.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | December 20, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The South's White Citizen Councils produced the Jim Crow era. Haley Barbour just cannot "let go" of that era, which obviously makes him popular in Mississippi, but suspect north of the Mason-Dixon line...and points West.

Posted by: dozas | December 20, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow the knowledge of history here is in line with our public education system. Do some research. Google Sen. Byrd the Grand Cyclops for a start. By all means do not let facts get in your way.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | December 20, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Chuck, enjoy!

Michael Steele: “We have lost sight of the historic, integral link between the party and African-Americans,” Steele said. “This party was co-founded by blacks, among them Frederick Douglass. The Republican Party had a hand in forming the NAACP, and yet we have mistreated that relationship. People don’t walk away from parties. Their parties walk away from them.

“For the last 40-plus years we had a ‘Southern Strategy’ that alienated many minority voters by focusing on the white male vote in the South. Well, guess what happened in 1992, folks, ‘Bubba’ went back home to the Democratic Party and voted for Bill Clinton.”

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/republican-national-committee/michael-steele-acknowledges-gop-had-southern-strategy-for-decades/

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 20, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

A bubba problem? YES.

The man looks and sounds like Boss Hogg after a 3 day bender.

Posted by: lcrider1 | December 20, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Senator Scott Brown says he will vote to ratify START.

Meanwhile; Senator John McCain revealed that Gays disrupted the cohesion of The Keating Five Unit.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Tea Party Founder declares: There is a Madness to their Methodists.

Well there goes the right wing argument about this being a Christian nation.

From TPM

"Nation founder Judson Phillips has a dream: "No more Methodist Church."

A blog post on his Tea Party Nation page says that on Friday he walked by the United Methodist Building in Washington D.C., which had a sign that said, "Pass the DREAM Act." Phillips wrote: " I have a DREAM. That is, no more United Methodist Church."

[TPM SLIDESHOW: Sound The Alarm! The 'Code Red' Tea Party]

Phillips explains that he was formerly a member of the church, but he left because it's "the first Church of Karl Marx," and "little more than the "religious" arm of socialism."

Posted by: Liam-still | December 20, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

OT:

This is an excellent surprise for those of us who appreciate -- and have concern for -- the natural world:

The Senate just passed Sen. John Kerry's bill to restrict the horrific practice of shark finning in U.S. waters.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/20/5684561-the-senate-does-something-good

More info at The Hill if you click through, I just can't bear to link to that awful rag.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 20, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

For Happy Hour, the Russians have basically told the GOP that the START treaty is take it or leave it.

Russia Warns Senate Not to Amend Arms Control Treaty

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/21/world/europe/21start.html?_r=1&hp

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 20, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Greg, ya need to check with John Stewart...the race card is officially maxed out.

Posted by: luca_20009 | December 20, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/happy_hour_roundup_150.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 20, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Ok, as I said, I hate The Hill... but this one's too important to pass up:

~GOP senators concede arms treaty will secure enough votes to pass~

GOP senators — including those who plan to vote for the treaty and those who say they’ll oppose it — have told The Hill they expect it to pass easily.

[...]

Three more GOP senators said Monday they are likely to support the treaty.

“I’m leaning toward supporting the treaty but I want to makes sure our side gets a fair hearing,” Sen. Judd Gregg (N.H.) said.

Said George Voinovich (Ohio): “I support it.”

“We need the verification,” Voinovich added, referring to the absence of U.S. arms inspectors in Russia since the old START treaty expired in December 2009.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/134551-gop-senators-concede-start-will-win-enough-votes-to-pass-handing-victory-to-obama

The third Republican the article referred to was Scott Brown.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 20, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Sue.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | December 20, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Folks such as Barbour define the norm for racial tolerance a bit differently than do most people. In his world, if you don't subscribe to lynchings and lawn burnings, then you are a model citizen without a racist bone in your body ... even though you can't stomach the idea of full racial equality and a totally desegregated society.

Posted by: labman57 | December 20, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

"... this could seriously damage his standing among insiders as a 2012 presidental hopeful..."

~~~
Actually, no it won't. Barbour has been making these statements for quite a while and he has never paid for them because a large amount of whites believe the same as he does.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 21, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with advancing the debate on race. It's easier for Republicans; slavery and segregation were the heart of the Democratic party.

And their comforting myth is that the Civil Rights laws spelled the end of the Democratic party in the South. Except that it didn't The racists like Byrd, Russell, Fullbright et. al. were reelected and reelected, some into the 1980s There was no punishment.

So let's have a frank debate on the real racial history.

Posted by: Grabski | December 21, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Yazoo City:

Change one letter & what do you get?

Yahoo City.

Posted by: icyone | December 21, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

If Haley's got a so-called Bubba problem,(clever way to call him a racist) wouldn't it be fair to say Obama has a Moslem problem. What's the difference? Oh I get it, one is an American, the other pretends to be an American.
Let's see information that covers all the organizations the sitting President was involved with as a community organizer and go over there views as deeply.

Posted by: whineridentifier | December 21, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The GOP as a whole has not just a "bubba" problem, but an a-hole problem - just read trollmcneverleavingmommy'sbasement. End of subject...

Posted by: LABC | December 21, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Well, that took about two seconds. We knew that liberals would tar Haley Barbour as a racist as soon as he become a plausible candidate. Fortunately, we can get this out of the way quickly and move on to another candidate.

I'll give our liberal media credit for one thing. They are predictable.

Posted by: bobmoses | December 21, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I used to consider the Republican party as racist but in recent years it has become rather disciplined and race-neutral while the Democrats have gone overboard in openly racist and misogynistic behavior. They even, much to their regret today, shoved an affirmative action president upon us with the oft noted vote for Obama to prove you are not racist attitude. That's turned out badly for all of us.

Now, Haley Barbour shows us that there are a few racist dinosaurs left in the Republican party. Barbour won't be missed in the upcoming presidential elections.

Posted by: MatthewWeaver | December 21, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Well, it's only a problem if you don't like bubbas.

The GOP base has shown itself to be made of the sort of people who love a bubba like Barbour. He's dirt-stupid and proud of it. He just obvious enough about his racism that people know where he stands, but he can dismiss his comments with an "aw shucks" and a wink.

Barbour is an ideal GOP candidate. It's just that he can't compete with Palin if she decides she wants to try out being president for a couple years.

Posted by: karlmarx2 | December 21, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I'll give our liberal media credit for one thing. They are predictable.

Posted by: bobmoses
**********************
Yeah, they know a wingnut loser when they see one. Of course, you guys make it easy...

Posted by: LABC | December 21, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The remarks on this board about Obama and Islam prove that racist hatred still infects quite a few of the republican base. But happily, most of us don't want to go back to police dogs, hoses, lynching and blowing up little girls.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Haley Barbour does not think that racism was a big deal in the South during the civil rights struggle because he is a white person with no ability or desire to see things from the viewpoint of a black person.

There are a lot of people in the south who are like Haley Barbour.

Posted by: janye1 | December 21, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I used to consider the Republican party as racist but in recent years it has become rather disciplined and race-neutral while the Democrats have gone overboard in openly racist and misogynistic behavior. They even, much to their regret today, shoved an affirmative action president upon us with the oft noted vote for Obama to prove you are not racist attitude.
Posted by: MatthewWeaver

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Actually, the black man who was elected to "prove you are not racist" was named Michael Steele.

Posted by: Rachelva | December 21, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Barbour and others like him speak what they feel and believe. That says more about him than anything.

I don't care that he was a white male in the south and didn't suffer the indignities. He isn't that stupid and ill informed. He believes that people will buy his White Citizens Council good old boy argument and some will.

Posted by: rlj1 | December 21, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Putting aside the Citizens Council comments, which require some sophistication and understanding to reject, what about his ridiculous summary that things "weren't too bad" during the civil rights era in Mississippi? At best, this is an unbelievably insensitive overgeneralization, and at bottom, what it is a completely false portrayal of RECENT American history. Considering that Sarah Palin has forgotten it too (if she ever learned it), it is shaping up to be a very disappointing and shallow campaign.

Posted by: fmjk | December 21, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Foghorn -Leghorn...is it really you Haley?

Posted by: soccerhead | December 21, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"The Council of Conservative Citizens has launched a website calling for a boycott of the new Marvel comic-inspired film Thor, because a character is being played by a black actor."

As a HUGE Thor fan and a black man that's tired of the stupidity of racism, I present these words in white, southern, conservative language:

All ye good old-fashioned white folks should have nothing to worry about, for the darkie in Thor has been cast as the villain Loki. Now, what good, honest, Christian, gun-toting, God fearing, Bible thumpin, moose killin, Mike Vick hating white man/woman wouldn't want to see a white thunder GAWD beat down a lowly, blaacckk (got to say it with that disgust in your tone), diety (a black man could never be a gawd) of mischeif??

Why isn't mischief just another way of saying, "tom foolery"???

Posted by: massmedia77 | December 21, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with advancing the debate on race. It's easier for Republicans; slavery and segregation were the heart of the Democratic party.

And their comforting myth is that the Civil Rights laws spelled the end of the Democratic party in the South. Except that it didn't The racists like Byrd, Russell, Fullbright et. al. were reelected and reelected, some into the 1980s There was no punishment.

So let's have a frank debate on the real racial history.

Posted by: Grabski
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it's certainly worthwhile and educational to understand the political history you mention, but all that matters is what party label is being worn now by whom, not what party label was being worn by whom some time in the past. Lyndon Johnson was right when he said the civil rights act would lose the south for democrats for 40 years at least. Steele admitted that the republicans were the party of appealing to racial prejudice.

Posted by: JoeT1 | December 21, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Let’s be fair here. You say , “as Matthew Yglesias and others have pointed out today, the Council in Yazoo City was essentially the respectable face of white supremacist political activism." I checked Matthew Yglesias' article, and he provided evidence for the unsurprising fact that the TYPICAL southern town Citizen's Council was racist. But Barbour's claim was that the PARTICULAR council in Yazoo where he grew up was unusual, and was composed of a particular group of individuals opposed to racism (or at least to the Klan). If it is true that Yazoo city was the ONLY municipality in Mississippi where schools were integrated without violence, it is not unreasonable to believe that Barbour MIGHT have been recalling the truth: his PARTICULAR small town may have been unusually enlightened, compared to the rest of Mississippi. Here is the quote from the Weekly Standard:
“Both Mr. Mott and Mr. Kelly had told me that Yazoo City was perhaps the only municipality in Mississippi that managed to integrate the schools without violence. I asked Haley Barbour why he thought that was so.
‘Because the business community wouldn’t stand for it,” he said. “You heard of the Citizens Councils? Up north they think it was like the KKK. Where I come from it was an organization of town leaders. In Yazoo City they passed a resolution that said anybody who started a chapter of the Klan would get their ass run out of town. If you had a job, you’d lose it. If you had a store, they’d see nobody shopped there. We didn’t have a problem with the Klan in Yazoo City.’”

So the question is: what evidence is there about the YAZOO CITY citizens’ council? Is Barbour white-washing a bunch of racists, or is he accurately recalling the actions of an unusually heroic group of citizens? Before we attack Barbour, we really ought to do better research and find out which is the case.

Posted by: skramer1958 | December 21, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"They even, much to their regret today, shoved an affirmative action president upon us with the oft noted vote for Obama to prove you are not racist attitude. That's turned out badly for all of us."

You know, racism wouldn't be so hard to accept if it was presented in an adult manner with rational arguments based on real facts. But, I guess it's pretty hard to rationalize hating someone for the color of their skin. You're already stumping yourself by using such an elementary thought pattern as a basis for character judgment.

I guess it's much easier to make yourself feel better by demeaning an entire race using the stereotypical actions of a minor cross-section of that race. I guess it's much easier for some people to deal with themselves when everything and everyone around them is the same.

My question to the racist is: What are you afraid of? If you have such dominant genes and you're far superior than everyone else, why would you be so scared of mixing with different peoples on the planet? Your superior genetic code should obviously conquer ever other genetic code available, right?

Posted by: massmedia77 | December 21, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"Does Haley Barbour have a 'bubba' problem'"? Well, Sargent, you name-calling bigot, why don't you sit there and think of some more stereotypical names you can call people, you sanctimonious, superiority-complexed weasel. Here's some: call him a .....redneck, hillbilly, ridgerunner, let's see what else....cotton picker,yeah, that's a good one. Call him Billy Bob, that'll show how cute you are. And give the guy a high-five who called Haley Barbour dirt-stupid. Dirt-stupid. I think it was the brilliant KarlMarx2 who can't explain Haley's luck in being a college graduate, successful business man, former head of the RNC and the RGA, millionaire, and much more than the ignorant Marxian could ever dream about. What we really like, though, is all the intellects on here chiming in about race, segregation and the South post 1965 who live up here in the North in all-white neighborhoods and think Kanye West is a genius. Probably never heard of Thomas Sowell, Ken Blackwell, Walter E. Williams or any other of a number of men unashamed of Haley Barbour. Rave on.

Posted by: chatard | December 21, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

clawrence12 -No Bill Clinton did not have a bubba problem - He had a zipper problem.

Posted by: jgeorge1 | December 21, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Yankee-folk have come a long way in recent years towards understanding and acknowledging that the South is not just a bunch of backwards hayseeds.

By embodying the repugnant personification of the fat, dumb, racist stereotype of the Southern past -- whether fair or not -- Haley Barbour can usher in a whole new era of contempt for the South.

Posted by: tomguy1 | December 21, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"But Barbour's claim was that the PARTICULAR council in Yazoo where he grew up was unusual, and was composed of a particular group of individuals opposed to racism (or at least to the Klan)"

And that's also incorrect. In one notable episode during Haley's childhood, the Yazoo City Council published the names of every signatory to an NAACP petition from the city, getting them all fired from their jobs or boycotted.

Posted by: SeanC1 | December 21, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

American in 2012 will not elect HB.

Posted by: fairness3 | December 21, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

SeanC1: Your comment provides the first evidence I have seen that supports claims that Barbour's Weekly Standard interview may have been white-washing racist behavior (any puns unintended).

What is the source of your information?

Posted by: skramer1958 | December 21, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Barbour expression of his experience, as a teenager, of the civil rights era in his hometown as something less tumultuous than it might have been experienced elsewhere in the South is not any worse than Harry Reid's comments about race relating to Obama, or, for that matter, Bill Clinton's rationalization of late Senator Byrd's klan activities as an ADULT.

Furthermore, I have yet to read of anyone with particular knowledge of Yahzoo City offering a divergent view, or challenge the specific claim that in Yahzoo City school desegregation went forward without the kind of violence seen elsewhere in the south.

The fact that you are digging up a comment from 30 years ago made while making a point that racism would not be tolerated flags this story for what it is - Journolisting.

Posted by: dummypants | December 21, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Whenever the subject turns to race, liberals become the thought police. They think they have the right (let alone the knowledge) to say how a teenager in Yahzoo City, Miss. should have experienced the Civil Rights era in that particular town.
And to the extent the absurdity of that is plain, they make believe that Governor Barbour was making some kind of universal statement. Andrew Breitbart treated Shirley Sherrod better than that.

Posted by: dummypants | December 21, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

It's all a Rovian diversion to take the heat off Soap Opera Sarah's thinly disguised racist attacks on Michelle.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 21, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Does Haley Barbour have a "Bubba" problem?

Does the Washington Post have a "bigotry" problem?

Posted by: atkissonjim | December 21, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent has written a non-homosexual related article. This is strange. I don't know what to say.


Of course, the article is bashing a Republican, so it is par for the far left Washington Post course.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | December 21, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Barbour is but one of about 55 million staunch RACISTS in the U.S.

They voted for McCain-Palin in '08, and would not be sorry if one or some of their number offed Obama.

Posted by: slipuvalad | December 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Reality Check:

Red States Ripoff. View the map which shows how many Red States take more from DC than they send there and how most Blue States are subsidizing those Red States Fiscal Restrain Hypocrites.

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Why are Red State denizens hypocritical? They have their philosophies of government and vote for them, just as people in Blue states do. They aren't whining about lack of Federal spending in their states that I've seen. For every red pig (Alaska) there is a blue pig (West Virginia), but these are exceptions.

There are a lot of reasons for the difference in remittances to the Federal government between states. Red states have lower incomes and lower costs of living, which means they are more attractive to retirees. Many of the Red states have significant portions of their land area under control of the Federal government. This land is not available for development or taxation and tends to support only low value added resource extraction industries and agriculture.

Some of that Federal money is used to pay for transportation networks that are used to bring raw materials from the Red states for processing in Blue states, and to bring finished products from the Blue states to markets in Red states. This is a net gain for both parties, with the advantage going to the Blue state despite the fact that more of the road mileage is within the larger Red states.

There is also a significant amount of generational mobility in American society. Many children born and educated in Red states migrate to Blue states for higher paying jobs during their working years, then migrate back to Red states upon retirement. If anything, it is the Red state which is the loser in this arrangement, as they pay a lot to educate that person who then pays their taxes to the Blue state they work in until they return to their home state to live largely tax free.

The facts are much more complicated than the shallow partisan vision you put forth.

Posted by: robert17 | December 21, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

boss hogg ain't never gonna be president.

Posted by: mycomment | December 21, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to hear his views on women's issues.

Posted by: MNUSA | December 21, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

If it looks like a Bubba and talks like a Bubba and walks like a Bubba then its a Bubba!

Yep they still exist in the south but rest easy cause the south has been a-changing. With all the transplants they have no time for Bubba's or anyone born and bred in the south or lets say very few. These people can be very racist.

I moved South from the Northeast and I have seen many things I never dreamed I would and sometimes still do. But lets just leave it there. Change comes within one person at a time bit by bit is the only way things are truly accomplished.

Posted by: mac7 | December 21, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

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