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Posted at 6:35 PM ET, 12/21/2010

Happy Hour Roundup

By Greg Sargent

* This is pretty great: The Oklahoma City Fire Fighters call on their senators Tom Coburn and Jim Inhofe to support the health bill for 9/11 responders by citing their own experience responding to the 1995 domestic terror bombing of the Federal office building.

* In case you're wondering why Coburn is still objecting to the 9/11 health bill, he's spelled out his objections in detail right here.

* But Shep Smith keeps hitting Coburn.

* The 9/11 bill is set for a vote tomorrow.

* Howard Fineman says Obama should take a page from Truman's book, but give it his own twist: Obama versus the "tear down Congress."

* Jim DeMint keeps defending Christmas vacation against Dems who want Congress to work as hard as most Americans do.

* Lindsey Graham sums up the lame duck session: "When it's all going to be said and done, Harry Reid has eaten our lunch."

* Steve Benen, on Graham's bizarre apology to Jon Kyl on behalf of Dems who didn't do his bidding on New START:

No word yet on whether Democrats should expect an apology from Kyl for the way he treated them.

* John Cole on Graham's apology: "How do these people make it through life with so little self-awareness?"

A large and obsequious support staff, John.

* As Steve Kornacki notes, by rejecting GOP demands that they choose between DADT repeal and New START, Dems ended up getting both.

* Their own worst enemies? Ezra Klein on how Dems appear to have voted to temporarily defund health care and Wall Street reform.

* Jonathan Capehart note that the problem isn't that Haley Barbour is a racist, it's that on race he "has a blind spot the size of the Confederate flag."

* Is Barbour really going to give a speech on race?

* Mark Murray points out what can't be repeated enough: This Congress's accomplishments are on a par with the Great Society and the New Deal.

And to those who say Dems erred by passing health reform: "Political power in Congress comes and goes. What truly matters is what you do with it when you have it."

* Did John McCain really torpedo Dem Rep. Rush Holt's effort to provide more resources for suicide prevention in the Reserves?

* Filibuster reform update: Daily Kos joins the growing campaign to make Senators really filibuster. As I said before, this starting to take on the feel of a real movement, though change still remains an uphill slog.

* Late to this, but Matt Duss has a good roundup of the latest reporting on the continuing antics of the "creeping sharia" hucksters. Their reach will surprise you.

* And from the department of self-promotion: Many thanks to Americablog's Joe Sudbay for crediting yours truly with playing a "key role" in getting DADT repealed. Way too generous, but I'll take it anyway.

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | December 21, 2010; 6:35 PM ET
Categories:  Foreign policy and national security, Happy Hour Roundup, Political media, Senate Dems, Senate Republicans, gay rights, race  
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Comments

Jake Tapper said that he has just received late word, that the 9/11 First Responders Bill will be brought up for a vote tomorrow ,right after the new START treaty final vote has been held.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

More on Shep Smith:
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In this latest installment, he showed a picture of Coburn and said:

He is the man who is vowing to slow this down or block it, so that the necessary funding for the illnesses of the first responders who made it to Ground Zero to try to save lives on the day that America changed -- remember? This is the Senator who is vowing to block it so that it doesn't make it through. Sen. Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Great column again, Greg... you are on top of it all!

Haley Barbour giving a speech on race... umm, there are so many punch lines here I don't even know where to start.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

@greg: "And from the department of self-promotion: Many thanks to Americablog's Joe Sudbay for crediting yours truly with playing a "key role" in getting DADT repealed. Way too generous, but I'll take it anyway."

Applause!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Check out the nominees for the Annual Golden Duke Awards at TPM. It's a pretty good reminder of what the left, the POTUS, and the congressional Dems have been up against.

"We're pleased to announce the finalists for the 4th Annual Golden Duke awards, celebrating the year's best purveyors of public corruption, outlandish behavior and The Crazy."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/12/your_nominees_for_the_2010_golden_duke_awards.php

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The food safety bill made it through the house, and now just needs to be signed! Good news for anyone who eats!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/food-safety-bill_n_799963.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Richard Lugar, Republican-Indiana, explains his vote on START treaty, congratulates Democrats and the President and poo-poohing GOP concerns.

http://www.youtube.com/senatorlugar#p/u/0/nw0sYPeMrck

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"The food safety bill, means nothing to me." Jeff Peterson of The Late Late Show.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"The food safety bill, means nothing to me."
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If you have tasters, why do you need government interference in food safety? Probably unconstitutional anyway.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

We're all missing the BIG issue here.

And that is the fact that someone like Haley Barbour can be considered PRESIDENTIAL at all by the GOP.

It's not that there is one racist in the GOP. It's not that there is one racist fundraiser in the GOP. This SCUMBAG was considered PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL.

Greg? Any thoughts on that?

Again, it says more about the Republican Party than it does Haley Barbour.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 21, 2010
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This from someone who supports a party which trots that mullet-headed moron Al Sharpton out during the Democratic presidential primaries. They actually allow the doofus in the debates! Anyone heard from Tawana Brawley lately? "PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL" indeed. The irony.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Poor congresscritters, having to work a few days before Christmas!

It so horribly inappropriate to make our congresscritters work on things like nuclear disarmament, human equality and dignity, and medical care for first responders when they rightfully should be at home celebrating the birth of Jesus, who as we all know was the founder of (1) the Republican Party; (2) the doctrine of "shock and awe"; (3) capitalism; (4) "Black Friday," "Black Monday" and every other orgy of commercialism; and (5) Fox News.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | December 21, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Barbour is toast anyway. Mississippi is the poorest, most backward state of them all. Why would anyone vote for the guy in charge to be president?

Posted by: jverner | December 21, 2010
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Compared to the Democratic clusterf**k in Louisiana during Hurricane Katrina, Mississippi handled the situation fairly well. But don't tax your brain.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

He represents the ugly racist face of the republliican party, yesterday and today. he was just more upfront about it than most of them. But demographics in this country are changing quickly and we can hope that that dinosaur of a party dies off soon.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010
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We've been hearing that since before Reagan was elected. The results of the 2010 election and the redistricting to come from the latest census makes it likely that you'll die off long before the Republican party does.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

What is it with this Brigade clown. He arrives every evening, and starts posting snippets from other people's comments, from earlier threads, and then makes sarcastic asides about them, like he is W. C. Field's mother.

He is one creepy guy. He once praised the shooting of the unarmed Kent State students. He is an obvious sociopath.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

For those of you following my puppy-in-waiting, puppy is now 3 weeks old and wagged his tail today, growled and barked according to grandson #3.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

minco_007 wrote,
"Republicans are like a dog chasing his tail. Obstruction has them spinning in circles going nowhere and all who witness it, laughing."
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Going nowhere?
Did you sleep through the November election or are you just laughing because you're an idiot?

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

12Bar.

What breed of puppy is he?

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

Shih tzu.

http://www.gibdogpetsuppliesblog.com/healthy-dog-treats-2/367-shih-tzu-dog-treats/

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Kyl is dumb as a sack of hammers, unlike the smart but shameless and scheming McConnell. It is hard to imagine a party putting Kyl in a leadership position.

The GOP can always, always be counted on to overplay their hand. But who'da thunk it would happen so soon? Before they even take power?

Posted by: Mimikatz | December 21, 2010
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Kyl? McConnell? Take power? The GOP didn't win control of the Senate. It was the House. Another liberal lowbrainer.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, hate to break it to you, the census was BAD for the Republican Party. TX and FL added seats because of the growth of the Hispanic population.

IOW, they just got BLUER.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 21, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, hate to break it to you, the census was BAD for the Republican Party. TX and FL added seats because of the growth of the Hispanic population.

IOW, they just got BLUER.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 21, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations on your new puppy, 12Bar.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

Shih tzu.

http://www.gibdogpetsuppliesblog.com/healthy-dog-treats-2/367-shih-tzu-dog-treats/

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:16 PM

.....................

I am familiar with the breed. My sister had one of them named Cody. He was very energetic and friendly.

Unfortunately he developed severe vision problems, and lost his eyesight when he was only five years old.

From what I read about the problem, it is a very common with the breed, because of they way they were selectively bred for their flattened facial features, which cause the natural snout of regular dogs, to become so misshapen and distorted, that it severely impacted their vision, etc.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the congrats, but I don't have him yet. Thought I'd take a female, but my daughter thinks that I have to take the male, for reasons that she can't quite describe. Something about his personality. Grandson #3 calls him Bruiser. LOL.

What a great family I have.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

What is it with this Brigade clown. He arrives every evening, and starts posting snippets from other people's comments, from earlier threads, and then makes sarcastic asides about them, like he is W. C. Field's mother.

He is one creepy guy. He once praised the shooting of the unarmed Kent State students. He is an obvious sociopath.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:10 PM
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I'm not here during the day because, unlike deadbeats like you, I work for a living. And no one here believes I "praised the shooting of the unarmed Kent State students." You've said that on multiple occasions. I'm not sure if that's why some call you liar-still or if you're so ignorant that you actually believe it.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"What is it with this Brigade clown. He arrives every evening, and starts posting snippets from other people's comments, from earlier threads, and then makes sarcastic asides about them, like he is W. C. Field's mother.

He is one creepy guy. He once praised the shooting of the unarmed Kent State students. He is an obvious sociopath."

yes, he is. he's trolled a number of boards, and this is all he does... no thoughts of his own. he comes in and tries to break up conversation, for hours on end.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

That is what the Republican Traitors are up to. They are willing to start another global nuclear arms race, in order to keep Obama from winning a second term.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010
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Terri Schiavo had twice the brain activity of this moron, and they pulled the plug on her. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

Thanks for the heads up about the vision problem. I will check that out with my vet before I get this little guy.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Who ever thought they'd see the day that the WH thanks a cable channel comedian for bringing awareness to a piece of important legislation.....

ABC, NBC and CBS should really be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010
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They should have seen it coming. When your base gets the news from Comedy Central, the Cartoon Network, and the newspaper funny pages, what can you expect?

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that's why some of us (me) call Liam a Liar. Because he likes to lie. He especially likes to make up some ridiculous lie and just keep repeating it. He's a muttering old clown.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm not here during the day because, unlike deadbeats like you, I work for a living. And no one here believes I "praised the shooting of the unarmed Kent State students." You've said that on multiple occasions. I'm not sure if that's why some call you liar-still or if you're so ignorant that you actually believe it.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:24 PM |

......................

You are both a liar and a sociopath. You did gloat about the shooting of the students at Kent State.

So what; if you are not here during the day. That gives you know right to keep dragging snippets of comments from earlier threads, and posting them out of context on here, just so you can wallpaper the daily happy hour threads, with your drivel.

It is like you think that you are entitled to jump in the middle of conversations that were held long before you got here.

Take a hike; sociopath.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Look, I like Obama. I really do.

But anyone who has seen him throw a baseball would not have used the image of him as a 9th inning "closer" stepping up to the mound. Unless the goal is for the batter to die laughing.

Better: "We're down by two in the last seconds of the game, Mr. President, and we need someone who can make a clutch 3-pointer."

Posted by: bearclaw1 | December 21, 2010
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Gee, I like him, too. He bowls as bad as he pitches. Very feminine. Cao9 loves him.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Greg

Nothing wrong with a little self-promotion occasionally and you really worked hard keeping the focus where it belonged, on Reid. I know sbj appreciated all your advocacy. I hope you'll fight as hard for Social Security in the spring, we're gonna need all the help we can get.

Posted by: lmsinca | December 21, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, hate to break it to you, the census was BAD for the Republican Party. TX and FL added seats because of the growth of the Hispanic population.

IOW, they just got BLUER.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 21, 2010 7:19 PM
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But the Hispanics are not the ones who will be gerrymandering. Tough luck.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

Dems lose.

My favorite loser is our own little Negative10BillionDollar backwater...New York State @ minus 2!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/12/21/introducing-your-new-congressional-apportionment.aspx
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12Bar,

Gotta go w/ "Bruiser."

He'll love it.

"Bruuzzzeee, Good Boy! Bruuu, such a good boy Bru!!

Posted by: tao9 | December 21, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I am familiar with the breed. My sister had one of them named Cody. He was very energetic and friendly.

Unfortunately he developed severe vision problems, and lost his eyesight when he was only five years old.

From what I read about the problem, it is a very common with the breed, because of they way they were selectively bred for their flattened facial features, which cause the natural snout of regular dogs, to become so misshapen and distorted, that it severely impacted their vision, etc.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:23 PM
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Ole Liam's a glass-half-empty kind of guy. Very cheerful account; I'm sure it lifted 12Bar's spirits. Any other positive information you'd like to share?

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"yes, he is. he's trolled a number of boards, and this is all he does... no thoughts of his own. he comes in and tries to break up conversation, for hours on end.


Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse"

Given your short and ignomious tenure as a fanatically vitriolic and substance-free commenter, pardon me while I laugh at you.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go w/ "Bruiser."

He'll love it.
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The only thing that sets off my radar, is *why* he's such a Bruiser, at 3 weeks of age. Makes him sound like the micro version of Fat Albert.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

He is one creepy guy. He once praised the shooting of the unarmed Kent State students. He is an obvious sociopath."

yes, he is. he's trolled a number of boards, and this is all he does... no thoughts of his own. he comes in and tries to break up conversation, for hours on end.


Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 7:25 PM
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Any links, bozo? This is the only board I post to currently. Used to post to the Fix. Never any others. Of course you're welcome to produce contrary evidence and convince us your not full of sh*t. No? Didn't think so. Sorry these blogs are your only life. Try not to be so heavily invested.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally, where are all the war protesters now that Obama is president?

If conservatives ever really DID decide to practice a little anarchy, I'm afraid there'd be a very large number of liberals sprawled in the streets.

Posted by: Brigade | October 22, 2010 8:05 PM |

Liberals are more prone to PRACTICE violence because they are usually pandered to and treated like babies. There was one incident at Kent State during a Viet Nam war protest when some conservatives momentarily lost the urge to simply indulge. It wasn't pretty.

Posted by: Brigade | October 22, 2010 8:24 PM |


Right. All those service men and women whose ballots are routinely challenged by Dems do their work while sitting in lawn chairs. The Guardsmen who gunned own the protestors at Kent State were sitting in lawn chairs.

If the authorities had reacted appropriately during the Rodney King riots, they would have needed the Fire Department and lots of hoses to wash up what was left of the rioters from the streets. No lawn chairs required.

No doubt you and DDAWD are real terrors.

Posted by: Brigade | October 22, 2010 8:29 PM

You've demonstrated your ignorance once again. Valor was not the subject of the conversation. The subject was anarchy and the propensity of liberals to practice it because they are convinced not much will happen to them. Some times they figure wrong. The armed troops may have been chickenhawks, but the protestors were still dead the last time I checked. Try to keep up.

Posted by: Brigade | October 22, 2010 8:57 PM


Like I said. Brigade is clearly a sociopath. All you have to do is read his own words, during the course of just a short period on Oct. 22nd, and you will see clearly what a disgusting vile thug he truly is.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

I'm going to defend Liam. As a person who has spent a ton of money on my last two dogs and their cancers, and lost them early anyway, I appreciate knowing about breed specific diseases. It may not lift my spirits, but I'd like to have a dog who can live out his entire life without suffering. I take Liam's comment as constructive.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Next bill up in the Lame Duck:

The (very late) 2010 HKCFPO Act

{{{HealthyKibbleChoicesFightPuppyObesity}}}

Posted by: tao9 | December 21, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Liam again:

"You are both a liar and a sociopath. You did gloat about the shooting of the students at Kent State."

Afraid not, but at least you've climbed down from "praised" to "gloat". Keep going and eventually you'll get to "mentioned".

"So what; if you are not here during the day. That gives you know right to keep dragging snippets of comments from earlier threads, and posting them out of context on here, just so you can wallpaper the daily happy hour threads, with your drivel."

Know right, huh? Is this your blog now? If it was, I have a feeling there wouldn't be a soul here.

"It is like you think that you are entitled to jump in the middle of conversations that were held long before you got here."

Now you're onto something. That's exactly what I think. It's the Happy Hour thread. And isn't it about your bedtime?

"Take a hike; sociopath."

Tsk. Tsk. More name-calling. Can you afford a ticket to Vietnam?

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

I'm going to defend Liam. As a person who has spent a ton of money on my last two dogs and their cancers, and lost them early anyway, I appreciate knowing about breed specific diseases. It may not lift my spirits, but I'd like to have a dog who can live out his entire life without suffering. I take Liam's comment as constructive.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:47 PM

Which is why I was giving you a heads up on the issue, since you said that the puppy is only three weeks old.

I know how attached we all become to our dogs, and how you still mourn the loss of your last dog, so I thought I should at least alert you, so that you can make a wise decision, and perhaps avoid having your heart broken again, within a short number of years. If you do some google searching on the breed you should be able to find a lot of information on the problems that are common to that breed. If I am recalling correctly, some of the problems are common to all the flat faced breeds.

Good luck with finding the right pup for long term companionship.

Have a good night.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Afraid not, but at least you've climbed down from "praised" to "gloat". Keep going and eventually you'll get to "mentioned".
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In my opinion, the correct word is "warned". I believe Brigade was warning protesters that they can be murdered/killed/shot for protesting.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

Exactly. I knew what you meant and I appreciate it.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Like I said. Brigade is clearly a sociopath. All you have to do is read his own words, during the course of just a short period on Oct. 22nd, and you will see clearly what a disgusting vile thug he truly is.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 7:47 PM
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You went to all the trouble of digging out these old posts only to demonstrate your own ignorance. No praising; no gloating. Yes, read the words. I think the sociopath is that drooling idiot who stares back at you when you look in the mirror.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Idiots

The great society and new deal did NOT increase DEBT 2 Trillion in one year


It can not be repeated enough how FOOLISH these people are.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, the correct word is "warned". I believe Brigade was warning protesters that they can be murdered/killed/shot for protesting.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 7:55 PM
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I'll accept that. Violence begets violence.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Fiona


YOU should be BANNED for excessive hostility and lack of civil discussion.


You offer nothing but hate and discord.

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

Usually, protesting is not considered violence. Protesting is not punishable by death. You see the problem?

I was put off by your warning to liberal protesters. Your warning had a very threatening quality to it, whether or not you intended that. Liam's reaction to your comments was shared by a lot of other commenters on that night's blog.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Fiona


YOU should be BANNED for excessive hostility and lack of civil discussion.


You offer nothing but hate and discord.


YOU represent the ugly RACIST face of the democratic party which hates white people.

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Fiona


I don't get it. You aren't trying to break up the conversation with your hateful comments?

AND how is it that you are not a troll?


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Brigade believes that people who protest against immoral wars are just asking to be shot.

That is what makes him a sociopath.
He would be one of the first to join up with any fascist regime that took over, and was looking for someone to torture prisoners, and then execute them.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 21, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

12BB: "Grandson #3 calls him Bruiser. LOL."

My sister's kids just got a male Shih Tzu 3-year-old rescue...they named him Steve. He is really sweet.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse


Liam


What about the people who protest MORAL wars?

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

@sue,

Bruiser is #1 son of Shih Tzu rescue. Some people had 4 of these little dogs and just left them in the house when they left.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

lol, Liam. Nice set of links. Apparently advocating the shooting of students is one of those Conservative Things that Conservatives are Supposed To Say. I wouldn't know, I don't read Satah Palin's facebook.

I'd have to say that the change in seats would have to help the Republicans in winning Presidential elections. Obviously Obama wins in 2012, but Republicans will have two elections to try and use the new numbers to their advantage.

I don't think any Republican stronghold lost a seat besides Louisiana and Texas will gain four.

Of course, demographics will be changing and the same forces that garnered the Republican states more seats are also turning them blue.

I think Arizona Republicans had it right. Wait for the census and then pass a law to drive away all the hispanics.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 21, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Re Kent State, to those interested, there has been new information coming out recently about a photographer who it appears fired a .38 several times before the NG opened fire. An audiotape was found from a student who was recording through an open window, and audio anaylsis revealed the gunshots.

I haven't followed it closely, but you can probably google it up if you are interested in the subject. Not a subject I've ever looked into closely.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

ddawd: "Of course, demographics will be changing and the same forces that garnered the Republican states more seats are also turning them blue."

For an example, see North Carolina. They wooed all those financial institutions and related businesses, and dang, lots of northern liberals moved down south. Gosh, imagine that.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse


" Used to post to the Fix. Never any others. Of course you're welcome to produce contrary evidence and convince us your not full of sh*t. No? Didn't think so. Sorry these blogs are your only life. Try not to be so heavily invested."

You are the one posting frantically, pathetic clown. Evidence of your mental disorder gets posted, you shift into frantic denial mode.

Try not to be so heavily invested. And RFR, you are just a whiny, sad, simpering excuse for a human being.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"lol, Liam. Nice set of links. Apparently advocating the shooting of students is one of those Conservative Things that Conservatives are Supposed To Say."

I've read Liam's list. I don't see any advocacy there.

You claim to be fastidious about evidence and proof. How about humoring everyone and pointing out the exact words where Brigade advocated shooting of students?

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"For an example, see North Carolina. They wooed all those financial institutions and related businesses, and dang, lots of northern liberals moved down south. Gosh, imagine that.

Posted by: suekzoo1 "

Yeah, NC is kind of following the progression of Virginia. The Triangle is growing rapidly and is turning the state blue. It was growing at a decent pace while I was going to college in Chapel Hill and then had a big boom right after I left. It's been tempered by the recession, but is still going on to some extent. It's not just financial. A lot of high end industry like biotech lives there now.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 21, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"How do these people make it through life with so little self-awareness?"

Shhhhhh, baby needs a new pair of shoes.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's the story on the latest re the Kent State murders. Anyone doubt this guy's a life long republican? Perhaps he now goes by the name - Brigade - when he trolls left leaning blogs?

In the four decades since Ohio National Guardsmen fired on students and antiwar demonstrators at Kent State University, Terry Norman has remained a central but shadowy figure in the tragedy.

The 21-year-old law enforcement major and self-described "gung-ho" informant was the only civilian known to be carrying a gun -- illegally, though with the tacit consent of campus police -- when the volatile protest unfolded on May 4, 1970. Witnesses saw him with his pistol out around the time the Guardsmen fired.

Norman's conservative, law-and-order outlook clashed with the militantly anti-war, anti-authoritarian politics of groups like the Students for a Democratic Society. He showed up at their gatherings, trolling for information and snapping pictures until he was tossed out. He said he hoped the photos he regularly provided to the Kent State police department would help send activists to jail.

http://www.cleveland.com/science/index.ssf/2010/12/kent_state_shootings_does_form.html

Posted by: pragmaticagain | December 21, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

ddawd: "NC...It's been tempered by the recession, but is still going on to some extent."

And it has a very resilient and growing arts and studio crafts community. We call it a Potters Heaven. (I'm a potter nights and weekends...) I sometimes wish I had moved to Asheville 15 years ago when I had the opportunity. Alas...

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"You claim to be fastidious about evidence and proof. How about humoring everyone and pointing out the exact words where Brigade advocated shooting of students?

Posted by: quarterback1"

Suggesting that Sean Hannity isn't the final say on everything in the world isn't being fastidious.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 21, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

@pragmatic,

So, the person who may/may not have shot his pistol, and allegedly started the National Guard shooting unarmed students, was a snitch for the police/FBI to infiltrate the protesters?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"In the poll, respondents were asked whether they trusted President Obama or the Republicans in Congress to do a better job with the main problems facing the country. The public trusted President Obama more by a 43-38 plurality.
Obama's margin on this question is slim, but it's still quite a contrast to the analogous question asked after the 2006 election by the same pollsters. At that point, President George W. Bush was only trusted by 31 percent of the nation to cope with the country's problems--far less than the 57 percent who trusted the Democrats in Congress."

http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2010/12/tds_co-editor_ruy_teixeira_oba.php#comments

Posted by: bernielatham | December 21, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

@brigade,

Usually, protesting is not considered violence. Protesting is not punishable by death. You see the problem?

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I referenced violent protests. The 2008 Republican convention in Minnesota; the Seattle riots; the Rodney King riots; and the Kent State protests where things got out of hand and the authorities feared all out anarchy. This was brought up in the context of liberals whining about the tea-party folks.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

SO the liberal media started the massacre for ratings


NOT the Republicans

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Will the Republicans run Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney?

The Republican challenge to the Obama Presidency depends upon this choice. Well not really, they are both losers. The Republicans know only the White House matters. They helped create the Imperial Presidency. They know.

I can't even imagine feeling the terrible Republican dilemma, since I think it is funny, but they know how it feels, all that money, all that ginned up hatred...and no Presidential candidate. As they try to pretend a House Majority matters, they know better. They have no candidate.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Re: Harry eating Lindsey's lunch-

I wonder if Boehner and McConnell are going to cry about that, as well?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | December 21, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

And then there's DDAWD,
"lol, Liam. Nice set of links. Apparently advocating the shooting of students is one of those Conservative Things that Conservatives are Supposed To Say"
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I wonder who took DDAWD's tests for him when he was muddling his way through school. Reading comprehension is definitely not his stong suit.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Exactly 12bb. You really should read the article. This guy from The Plain Dealer is the only reporter that has continued to investigate and this latest article is really interesting.

Here's a bit more:

• The Kent State police department's and FBI's initial assessment of Norman was badly flawed, with failures to test his pistol and clothing for evidence of firing, to interview witnesses who claimed Norman may have shot his gun and to pursue the question of whether it was reloaded before police verified its condition.

• The Kent State police detective who took possession of Norman's pistol, and whose investigation ruled out its having been fired, was directing Norman's work as an informant and later helped him get a job as a police officer.

• The FBI initially denied any connection with Norman, although the bureau had paid him for undercover work a month before the Kent State shootings. His relationship with the FBI may have begun even earlier than Norman has acknowledged, and he may later have had ties to the CIA.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | December 21, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

You are the one posting frantically, pathetic clown. Evidence of your mental disorder gets posted, you shift into frantic denial mode.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 8:39 PM
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What evidence would that be? And I only deny lies---you know, those things you post.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"Suggesting that Sean Hannity isn't the final say on everything in the world isn't being fastidious."

Yeah, as I thought.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

the Kent State protests where things got out of hand and the authorities feared all out anarchy.
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After all these decades, it is now obvious that nothing got out of hand, but the Guard fired on unarmed people. As I remember several of the people gunned down were just walking across campus. The National Guard has admitted that. You must be the last person in these United States who still see that as some kind of anarchy. I'd recommend you drop Kent State from your list of examples.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Fiona

Stop with the hostility or leave


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I can't even imagine feeling the terrible Republican dilemma, since I think it is funny, but they know how it feels, all that money, all that ginned up hatred...and no Presidential candidate. As they try to pretend a House Majority matters, they know better. They have no candidate.


Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 9:03 PM
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You poor souls have been whining for months that Republicans don't need the Presidency. Obama is giving them everything they want---right? Remember what a terrible disappointment he is to you? Or are you changing your tune this far in advance of the next election?

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"So, the person who may/may not have shot his pistol, and allegedly started the National Guard shooting unarmed students, was a snitch for the police/FBI to infiltrate the protesters?"

Umm, not exactly. You could always, you know, actually read. But then that would take time from your rush to spin according to your agenda. So carry on.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

We need to thank qb for the reference to this alleged photographer-gunman. I've never heard of him before. In any case, if this guy started the melee, that only makes the massacre worse, since it looks like the authorities just needed to create an excuse to charge in with the Guard.

Yes, prag, I am reading the article. It is very interesting and, if true, shows the dark side of law enforcement.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Earlier someone was talking about Barbour as a candidate for the President of the united States.

Obama v The Clintons was a done deal by the end of 2006.

Mitt Romney versus Sarah Palin, let those games begin.

crickets are chirping

From now on, the longer the Democrats get to fight skirmishers, the longer Republicans get to pretend they can contend.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, 12bb, contrary to penny's ignorant and uninformed comment, that is exactly what the investigation outlined in the article linked above found - that the person who may/may not have shot his pistol, and allegedly started the National Guard shooting unarmed students, was a snitch for the police/FBI to infiltrate the protesters.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | December 21, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"So, the person who may/may not have shot his pistol, and allegedly started the National Guard shooting unarmed students, was a snitch for the police/FBI to infiltrate the protesters?"

Umm, not exactly. You could always, you know, actually read.
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Umm...maybe you didn't read the article, or you wouldn't have been so stupid as to have pointed it out.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"since it looks like the authorities just needed to create an excuse to charge in with the Guard."

Don't thank me. You've pretty much turned it upside down. Sorry I mentioned it.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

the Kent State protests where things got out of hand and the authorities feared all out anarchy.
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After all these decades, it is now obvious that nothing got out of hand, but the Guard fired on unarmed people. As I remember several of the people gunned down were just walking across campus. The National Guard has admitted that. You must be the last person in these United States who still see that as some kind of anarchy. I'd recommend you drop Kent State from your list of examples.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:08 PM
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You probably should revisit the facts. Why do you think the NG was called out in the first place? There were threats. There was violence. There was rock throwing. I recall only one victim who was walking past and not part of the riot. My point was not that the students deserved to be killed but that Kent State is a perfect example of what can happen "when things get out of hand." You say it is by now obvious that nothing got out of hand. I beg to differ. When people are gunned down on campus, things are by definition "out of hand."

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I mentioned it.
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I'll bet.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

There is a deep structural silence in the Republican Rising!

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Four Kent State students died as a result of the firing by the Guard. The closest student was Jeffrey Miller, who was shot in the mouth while standing in an access road leading into the Prentice Hall parking lot, a distance of approximately 270 feet from the Guard. Allison Krause was in the Prentice Hall parking lot; she was 330 feet from the Guardsmen and was shot in the left side of her body. William Schroeder was 390 feet from the Guard in the Prentice Hall parking lot when he was shot in the left side of his back. Sandra Scheuer was also about 390 feet from the Guard in the Prentice Hall parking lot when a bullet pierced the left front side of her neck.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Sure, that's exactly what happened. The cops found a snitch to infiltrate the crowd and start shooting, so they could shoot back. Right.

Enjoy your little fantasy session. I have grown up stuff to do. I just thought it was interesting but forgot there's nothing that doesn't get spun by you folks, even though in this case I'm not sure you even know what you are spinning. Silly me.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

The legal aftermath of the May 4 shootings ended in January of 1979 with an out-of-court settlement involving a statement signed by 28 defendants(3) as well as a monetary settlement, and the Guardsmen and their supporters view this as a final vindication of their position. The financial settlement provided $675,000 to the wounded students and the parents of the students who had been killed. This money was paid by the State of Ohio rather than by any Guardsmen, and the amount equaled what the State estimated it would cost to go to trial again. Perhaps most importantly, the statement signed by members of the Ohio National Guard was viewed by them to be a declaration of regret, not an apology or an admission of wrongdoing:

In retrospect, the tragedy of May 4, 1970 should not have occurred. The students may have believed that they were right in continuing their mass protest in response to the Cambodian invasion, even though this protest followed the posting and reading by the university of an order to ban rallies and an order to disperse. These orders have since been determined by the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals to have been lawful.

Some of the Guardsmen on Blanket Hill, fearful and anxious from prior events, may have believed in their own minds that their lives were in danger. Hindsight suggests that another method would have resolved the confrontation. Better ways must be found to deal with such a confrontation.

We devoutly wish that a means had been found to avoid the May 4th events culminating in the Guard shootings and the irreversible deaths and injuries. We deeply regret those events and are profoundly saddened by the deaths of four students and the wounding of nine others which resulted. We hope that the agreement to end the litigation will help to assuage the tragic memories regarding that sad day.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse


There is a deep structural silence in the Republican Rising!

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 9:23 PM
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Dems spent most of the past year counting their chickens---right up until November. You shouldn't make the same mistake two cycles in a row. Sometimes the chickens simply come home to roost. Ask Jeremiah.

Posted by: Brigade | December 21, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Sure, that's exactly what happened. The cops found a snitch to infiltrate the crowd and start shooting, so they could shoot back. Right.
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Well, you were the one who said there was a photographer who allegedly discharged his weapon 4 times. And it turns out he was a snitch, undercover for the police. And he shot why? Because he was scared of the National Guard?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

12bar

you have no point

YOU are just oopying and pasting

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

12bar

you have no point

YOU are just oopying and pasting

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"After all these decades, it is now obvious that nothing got out of hand, but the Guard fired on unarmed people."

One of the more ridiculous statements to be made on PL. Ridiculous on its face. Ridiculous in light of the facts. The Norman story doesn't change anything about that. The most likely series of events, if it was his gun that fired, was that he was attacked by protestors and fired it. However you interpret it, there was a violent protest and NG fired. That's things getting out of hand alright.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"And he shot why? Because he was scared of the National Guard?"

Read the article and the audio tape summary. I'm done with it and you.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

@qb,

For someone who by his own admission, knew little about Kent State, you certainly have become a quick expert.

The students were unarmed. There were 4 murdered, including one shot in the back, all of whom were hundreds of feet away. There was a civil suit where money passed hands and public acknowledgment that the NG was not in danger and that the event should never have happened.

But what do you know? According to you, you don't know much about it. I'd agree.

BTW, had you read the article, you might have noticed that the snitch Norman, denied shooting his gun at any time. Of course, you can decide how credible Norman is.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, Karl "You Magnificent B@st%rd" Rove cut his teeth at Kent State before moving on to Sweden, where he trumped up rape charges against St. Assange.

C'mon QB1, connect the dots!

Why am I the only one, an inveterate racist, to state the obvious here? Where's Ethan with his ALLCAPS tying this to the 2000 Florida recount and 2004 Ohio Diebold?

Buncha pikers. Pathetic.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 21, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Not everything going on in the Senate the past two weeks is good. Here's another case where the people facing foreclosure and systemic fraud get their feet knocked out from under them. Wait until the debt ceiling debate begins, this will seem like small potatoes to other cuts held hostage.

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WASHINGTON -- "Despite mounting evidence of big banks committing serious fraud in the foreclosure process, the U.S. Senate eliminated $35 million in legal aid to homeowners trying to keep their homes.

The fund was wiped out in order to meet government spending caps advocated by Sens. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), but will likely end up costing taxpayers much more in the long run, as wrongful foreclosures burn through the balance sheets of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The slashing of the foreclosure-assistance fund is just one casualty of Washington's increasing bipartisan push to cut spending across the board.

The $35 million fund was created by the Wall Street reform bill signed into law by President Barack Obama in July, but the Senate never took the additional necessary step of appropriating the money. Even if it had been appropriated, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) last week gave up on passing a budget for next year in the face of Republican opposition to earmarks."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/senate-sacrifices-trouble_n_799861.html

Posted by: lmsinca | December 21, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys. There really is no good purpose in trying to have a debate/argument with some of these folks. There are much more productive ways to use up time and this space.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 21, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone link to Shep Smith on Coburn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcaruBfoC8U&feature=player_embedded

More kudos to the fellow.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 21, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"Hey guys. There really is no good purpose in trying to have a debate/argument with some of these folks. There are much more productive ways to use up time and this space."

Shorter bernie: Look at me! Only play with me!

Jeebus, don't you have a conspiracy theory to spin?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 21, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

More pay to play corruption...

"After Taking Big Sugar Money, Florida Ag. Commissioner Adam Putnam Seeks To Halt Soda Ban In Schools"

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/21/putnam-florida-sugar/

Seems like just the right sort of fellow to approve cigarette dispensing machines in the junior high schools.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 21, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy your little fantasy session. I have grown up stuff to do.

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hahhahhahahhaha

you're on these blogs all day long propagating other peoples' talking points. You have about as much urgent stuff to do as a bedridden guy in a nursing home.

Why don't you go to the gym more often like I do and work up your nerve to change your clothes there.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

@bernie,

I think you are right. Who would think that 40 years later, we'd have to still talk about the Kent State shootings and whose fault it was. There isn't a single history that describes Kent State as anything other than an overreaction by the nervous trigger happy National Guard. Yet, the alternative history crowd goes on. I guess you could call them the Kent State Deniers.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, does Brigade or RGR have anything else to do with their lives other than disrupt discussion?


'My point was not that the students deserved to be killed but that Kent State is a perfect example of what can happen "when things get out of hand." You say it is by now obvious that nothing got out of hand. I beg to differ. When people are gunned down on campus, things are by definition "out of hand."

Things got 'out of hand' because the Nstional Guard shot down and murdered 4 college students. What a miserable and childish attempt at 'reasoning.' Give up.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Will it be Palin, or will it be Romney?
Decisions have consequences, laughing at you.
Republicans knew you you had to do better when you had your chance.

Republicans knew they had to destroy Obama in two years or they could not beat him in four. Remember that Inauguration Day?

They know. They have no candidate. They had to destroy Obama. They will wait. 2016 is not far off.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

@shrink,

Maybe they'll run their back bencher Palin, and keep Romney for 2016?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

12 Bar -- just call them a huge steaming pile of sewage and give it up. That's all they are here for, to make you so disgusted at the lows the lowest can get to, so you give up following politics in utter disgust and revulsion.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

My Christmas gift to Jim DeMint, John Kyle, Clawrence, Phyllis Schlafly, Brigade, John McCain, Troll 1 and 2, quarterback and everyone... the 12 gays of christmas...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcwNlfKoDmY&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: bernielatham | December 21, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

" As they try to pretend a House Majority matters, they know better.


Posted by: shrink2"

Well, in a few years, they will start taking credit for the repeal of DADT like they take credit now for Bill Clinton's balanced budget. Oh wait, Republicans haven't taken the House yet? I suppose, but that's just details.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 21, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if in 2016 Romney will let his grey hair show, or he'll still dye it everywhere but in front of his ears.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

On a more constructive note, don't you all think it's interesting that Fox News is running Coburn's picture like a Most Wanted Poster. What does this mean. We've all assumed that Fox News was a fully paid up lackey to the GOP, or the GOP was a lackey to Fox.

Perhaps, that is not exactly right.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

12B surely that is the question. They have to run and lose to set up the glorious victory of 2016.

The TP gambit succeeded to fail. In a few months, there will be no more talk of the Tea Party, they vanished, just like that.

But they rebranded the base and brought them back so much faster and more successfully than any attempt to actually run the same old Republican candidates. Republicans had to be run as a product of protest . Funny.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Fiona

You are disrupting the conversation

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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"12 Bar -- just call them a huge steaming pile of sewage and give it up. That's all they are here for, to make you so disgusted at the lows the lowest can get to, so you give up following politics in utter disgust and revulsion.

Posted by: fiona5"

Just use Troll Hunter if they bother you that much. The only way I know what Bridage is talking about is because you guys respond to him.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 21, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Wonderfully witty title from Tomasky's latest post...

"Where lame ducks soar"

Posted by: bernielatham | December 21, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Republicans had to be run as a product of protest .
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Good thing the TP didn't run into the National Guard. Oh, excuse ME, that was snarkie.

If you're right that the TP fades into history, I don't see what real advantage Mrs. Palin has over the rest of the Republican roster. Further, if she runs and loses, how does that set up the 2016 victory. Forgive me, I don't see the strategy. Do you?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Re: Brigade and the National Guard at Kent State

When you have someone who shows up on forums and posts despicable shocking things that end up diverting discussion in reaction, you don't have a discussion, you have a troll. And everyone who posts on political blogs should know better than to feed the trolls.

Thanks to Kevin we have a simple browser extension that removes the need for diligence or willpower. I'm pretty sure everyone who uses it blocks RFR, in fact it should come with RFR pre-blocked, well, you have all the information you need to know to block Brigade too.

And no it has nothing to do with ideology, aside from the fact that trolls are pretty much always right-wing.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Fiona


This is the amount of respect you have


You are asked to stop the hostility and you continue with the above comments


Do you have any idea how ridiculous and childish you appear ???

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"For someone who by his own admission, knew little about Kent State, you certainly have become a quick expert."

No, I just read the article -- with comprehension.

"The students were unarmed. There were 4 murdered, including one shot in the back, all of whom were hundreds of feet away. There was a civil suit where money passed hands and public acknowledgment that the NG was not in danger and that the event should never have happened."

None of which facts (I think "murdered" is dubious) I've questioned. You have a unique ability to completely miss every point. Bluntly, you have a serious deficit regarding analytical reasoning and basic logic. That's not meant as a casual insult or an insult at all. You have a problem that forecloses rational discussion.

"BTW, had you read the article, you might have noticed that the snitch Norman, denied shooting his gun at any time. Of course, you can decide how credible Norman is."

No kidding. I read it. You'll note I twice said it appears most likely he fired his gun before the NG fired. When he was apparently attacked by protestors. Duh.

"Hey guys. There really is no good purpose in trying to have a debate/argument with some of these folks. There are much more productive ways to use up time and this space."

Bernie, I noticed you never responded the other day to the point that, indeed, the U.S. is importantly different from other contries. Don't worry, we know you don't care to engage inconvenient ideas.

"Shorter bernie: Look at me! Only play with me!"

Lol nailed.

"hahhahhahahhaha

you're on these blogs all day long propagating other peoples' talking points."

Trust me, I don't need anyone's talking points to expose your foolishness. I hope you took the history lesson I gave you to heart. Not to mention the microbiology refresher you apparently needed.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Coa


YOU are a troll dont delude yourself

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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 21, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"Further, if she runs and loses, how does that set up the 2016 victory."

You know games. If they have to lose, they don't want Palin to run and lose, they want Romney to run and lose. If they thought they had a winner, they would hold that winner back. Losing only sets up a 2016 victory because the Democrats don't have anyone in the wings. Hillary is over. They think this way. This is old money.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure everyone who uses it blocks RFR, in fact it should come with RFR pre-blocked
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You might chuckle about the genesis of Troll Blocker. Kevin wrote it to allow Rainy to block me, since I bother him so much.

Initially, Rainy was preloaded and Kevin was busy as a bee keeping up with all Rainy's aliases. At some point there were about 20 aliases. Finally Kevin gave up and created this latest version where you can block whoever.

I actually like Troll Hunter and give Kevin a lot of credit.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Bluntly, you have a serious deficit regarding analytical reasoning and basic logic.
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And you have a serious problem with writing junk like this over and over about other posters all the while never demonstrating any actual logic or reasoning of your own.

It's been fun but I don't need to watch "The Trouble with Tribbles" any more times and I don't need to read this crap anymore either. PLONK.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

12bb: "don't you all think it's interesting that Fox News is running Coburn's picture like a Most Wanted Poster. What does this mean. We've all assumed that Fox News was a fully paid up lackey to the GOP, or the GOP was a lackey to Fox. "

I think it's pretty simple calculus on the part of Fox, actually. Did you see the last Daily Show last Thurday? If not, do. Stewart was ON FIRE, and used the whole program to highlight the story, in all the brutal ugly detail, and then had Huckabee on as his last guest. Stewart confronts Huck about the lack of coverage, and challenges him to get it on Fox.

Fox then has two choices - continue to ignore the story, or get out in front of it. They probably figured the story was ready to bust open anyway, so why not cover it while also trying to scoop the broadcast networks, too.

Giving it to Shep to cover is more calculus simply because he's got the most cross-over appeal, and he's got these kind of challenges to the GOP in his past. (Remember his rant about torture complete with cussing?)

At the end of it, it was really a shrewd move by Jon Stewart to get Huckabee on the show, and may have made all the difference.

I'm seeing other places that there may be a cloture vote tomorrow...and that would just be sweet!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

If they have to lose, they don't want Palin to run and lose, they want Romney to run and lose. If they thought they had a winner, they would hold that winner back.
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You think that Palin has a better chance in 2016 than Romney? I would have thought the reverse. I had Romney figured as the winner to hold back.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

"It's been fun but I don't need to watch "The Trouble with Tribbles" any more times and I don't need to read this crap anymore either. PLONK."

Ah, I guess he didn't like being corrected about Soviet history after all. Misplacing Stalin and not being aware of millions he slaughtered and starved and worked to death must have felt embarassing.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 21, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

The GOP base isn't going to vote for a Mormon.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The Daily Show from 12/16 - Zadroga 9/11 Responders Episode

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-december-16-2010-mike-huckabee

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

@sue,

Perhaps I have missed Fox News taking after the GOP. I don't have television, so I miss a lot of the cultural stuff.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

The GOP base isn't going to vote for a Mormon.
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I can't argue with that.

Who do you think is the best GOP candidate to hold back for 2016? Palin?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

12 Bar -- tell me about Troll Hunter. Because I surely would like to avoid the whiny whiny whiny baby RFR.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

@fiona,

Are you using Firefox?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

12bb: no teevee needed...you got the net!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"You think that Palin has a better chance in 2016 than Romney? I would have thought the reverse. I had Romney figured as the winner to hold back."

Yes and if Democrats had anyone who could lead, this is what that person would be talking about. Do they like Palin? Do they like Romeney? Because we the Democrats are busy trying to fix things and make progress!

Put the Republican leadership of today, in holiday lights. Set up the Republican agenda with the empty chair in response. Invite Lindsay Graham to a debate on Palin v Romney, who is better for a Tea Bagging voter? Invite Barbour to discuss the reasons why the RNC raised so much less money than the Klan, oh I mean his Republican Gubnahs slush, sorry, I've got to clean this up...

The Democrats have to point out the fact that the Republicans do not have a leader, they don't even have an agreed leadership organization, they have no agenda apart from a few phrases.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

12BB asked:

"Who do you think is the best GOP candidate to hold back for 2016?"

Scott Brown.

Before you break out laughing, a lot can happen in six years. He could be reelected to a full term in a D state and prove to be a hard working moderate with x-over appeal.
The Rs could move back to the right center, to try to consolidate their gains, rather than squander them again by flowing hard right.

Now you can laugh.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 21, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

@12BB: I don't think they have any. I think they've painted themselves into a corner with the nutjobs and the racists and have narrowed their appeal. I don't think the midterm election represented a realignment so much as it showed disgust with the lack of progress in the Congress because despite the chest-beating from the GOP partisans, there's no evidence that voters really want anything the GOP is selling.

Consider how many of those who voted for Republican congressmen had to be in favor of repealling DADT. A lot.

So when Republicans run some caveman who promises to march the country backward, he'll lose in 40+ states.

All this presumes that by 2016 the USA will still be a single country that holds elections like it has for 200 years, and that isn't a bet I would take.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

@fiona,

Here's the Firefox directions:

Tools>Add Ons>Get Add Ons

Find Greasemonkey and install.

Go to: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/89140

Under the About tab, on the far right there is an Install button. Install and it should be instantly working.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

12BB - One could also imagine that a woman as smart as Nikki Haley appears to be might be a successful conservative governor in a conservative state. She could be on the ticket with Brown.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 21, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

cao said: "The GOP base isn't going to vote for a Mormon."

Polling of Republicans over the last year or two consistently puts Romney at or near the top, so I'm not sure you're right here. And I think we ought to consider that Glenn Beck's rise of profile with the base might, of itself, alter this equation. I'm sure that with a significant corner of the christian right, this will be a cause for turmoil, other figures like Huckabee and Palin being much more preferable but I'm guessing that Romneycare will be at least as big a problem. Either way, one probably can predict less enthusiasm which is good for us, of course.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/144668/no-early-front-runner-2012-gop-presidential-nomination.aspx

Posted by: bernielatham | December 21, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Barbour, Citizens Councils and Jimmy Carter...

"Citizens Councils and Jimmy Carter: The Plains area witnessed the formation in 1958 of the violently segregationist “Citizens Council.” The leaders sought Carter out. “They pointed out that it would damage my reputation and my success as a businessman in the community if I proved to be the only hold-out,” Carter recalled to James Wooten. “And because of their genuine concern about my welfare, they were willing to pay the dues for me.” Carter refused."

http://www.thenation.com/blog/157237/haley-barbour-no-martin-luther-king-or-even-jimmy-carter

Posted by: bernielatham | December 21, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Bernie, Romney may be at the top of the polling but last I read that meant something like 28%. The enthusiasm isn't there. And the GOP can't win anywhere without the Protestant fundamentalist vote, which is not going for Romney is any big way.

Romney gets the Wall Street conservatives because he wears a shiny suit and tie and looks like he stepped off the cover of Business Week. He doesn't get the baggers or the bigots, and his primary opponents will call out his (read: damningly) moderate record in Massachusetts.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

@sue,

am watching Jon Stewart link. It would be quite a coincidence if his show didn't have something to do with Fox taking up the banner, I agree. Too bad the congressional GOP didn't get the same memo.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans do not have a leader, they have no candidate.
They cover that with money, social marketing.

They act like an offensive team when in fact they have no defense. If you don't like sports metaphors, I have offended you, but I have not defended you, see what I mean? They don't have a quarterback, they can't even agree on a general manager, let alone a coach. They are a huge pile of money, but they have no candidates for the big game. That was the message of November.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to see shrink's point. Since it seems difficult to identify who is the strongest GOP candidate to hold in reserve, the only real question is: who is the weakest to sacrifice in 2012. It's too early to think that is Palin. Maybe Barbour or Huckabee would be considered the weakest, and of those two, Barbour would have the best chance. Huckabee is considered liberal to arch conservatives.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/187446/jimmy-carters-race-problem/hans-von-spakovsky

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 21, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

thanks, 12Bar. Will do.

"One could also imagine that a woman as smart as Nikki Haley appears to be might be a successful conservative governor in a conservative state. She could be on the ticket with Brown."

That is presuming she has any idea how to govern--which we have yet to see any evidence of.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Brown and Haley are interesting future candidates, but they aren't even in the top 10, as seen today. You could add Jindahl too, I suppose. As you say, 2016 is still a long ways away.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Palin would only be run as an act of defiance, if there are any actual plans to make her president they're not based on winning an election but rather on some coordinated act of domestic terrorism that decapitated the government and installed her during the ensuing chaos. Think "Handmaid's Tale," which I think gives a pretty good idea of what the Christian right has in mind.

Barbour, forget it, he's physically and morally far too ugly and he may be a backroom wizard but at the podium he comes off as slow and stupid.

Huckabee would be entertaining for a few weeks but that cornpone routine would get real old quick.

Romney, well, too limited in appeal. The Wall Street Republicans and the o/~ fiscally conservative an' socially liberal o/~ Democrats wouldn't be enough.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

If Scott Brown is going to be the GOP candidate in 2016, the Republicans might stop calling him a RINO. They need to get the memo out to the talk show mafia and the arch conservatives that RINO Scott Brown for President is not a winning slogan.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

In light of the last couple days, Barbour would be a suicide move for the GOP. Boss Hogg v the first black POTUS? Nah, that is too stoopid for words.

Romney is going to have to run against himself. That would be fun to watch!

My bet is with Huckabee at this point. He ran second to McCain, and technically, it's his turn. He'll lose to Obama, though.

Sadly for the GOP, probably their best bet for 2012 is serving the Obama administration as the Ambassador to China. Although, he's got the Mormon problem, too.

On other note, Huff Post has a link to a article that Sarah Palin and TLC are looking at a possible second season for her reality show. So maybe that question getting answered...

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

caothien9, are you serious about your remarks on Palin? The Handmaid's Tale? If you read the Historical Notes in The Handmaid's Tale you'll know that the social scientists that decided to create Gilead through the assassination of the president and the hijacking of society were NOT representative of the Christian right or conservatism at all but were rather using religious ideas to advance their own secular, selfish agenda.

Posted by: 6pack | December 21, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

If the Democrats were smart, they would not stop talking about the election in 2012. No not Obama, he should never mention the topic.

The partisans need to ask all day every day, so, are you going to run Boehner? Is he the only one with a voice? No? Well, are you going to run [the next 10 impossibilities]? The Democrats have to run the Repulican candidates onto the stage and watch them hide, wilt, demur...

The Democrats have to bring Steele's RNC and Haley Barbour's company into direct conflict. They should have already.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

@cao,

Remember, we are looking for the strongest of the weakest candidates, under the theory that the GOP will hold back their best chance for 2016. I'm assuming the only candidates that are even possible for 2012 are already on the short list: Gingrich, Barbour, Huckabee, Romney, Palin, Giuliani , anyone else?

The strongest polling has been for Palin and Romney. So if the economy improves, and the President's chances look good, the GOP won't run these two probably.

But they might run #4, which I think is Barbour or #3 who is Huckabee as the strongest of the weaker candidates.

Just a theory.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Come 2016, provided they've come to their senses, the GOP really could / should look at Mitch Daniels or Jon Hunstman.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense, 6pack, the Sons of Jacob thinktanks were perfectly representative of Rushdoony's reconstructionism and the society they created was perfectly in line with its doctrine.

That the higher-ups used their power for the usual financial and sexual gratifications doesn't mean that their motives for a fundamentalist solution were dishonest. On the contrary, religious conservatives are just like any other cult leaders, in bed with very young girls (or picking up gay hookers) first thing.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Since the convention is in 20 months, it appears to be too late for someone new. Palin v Romney are the only conceivable choices.

The Democrats should be pouring continuous fire on everybody else, just to make sure.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 21, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Also, I've read a few libertarian's dreaming that Ron Paul and Gary Johnson BOTH jump into the 2012 race, not so much to win anything, but to play off each other and shift the conversation against the rest of the GOP field. THAT could definitely make life interesting.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 21, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Since the convention is in 20 months, it appears to be too late for someone new. Palin v Romney are the only conceivable choices.
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So, shrink, you think there's a slightly better than even chance the GOP will run Romney in 2012, as a possible sacrifice candidate?

And you're suggesting the Democrats keep pouring hot oil onto the heads of the other GOP candidates to force the GOP to choose from Romney or Palin. Is that right?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 21, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh look, a new obstructionist trick:

"Last-Ditch Move to Block Repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’

Just hours before President Obama plans to sign on Wednesday the repeal of the military’s 17-year ban on gays serving openly in the armed forces, Republicans appear to be trying one last legislative maneuver to block the change.

Republicans in the Senate have filed an amendment to a sweeping defense authorization bill that would require the four military service chiefs to be part of the certification process called for in the bill that repeals the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy.

That would put Marine Corps chief General James Amos, a vocal opponent of the repeal, in line to delay or potentially prevent its implementation. The amendment was filed late Tuesday to the defense measure, which could be voted on in the Senate on Wednesday.

Advocates of repeal scrambled late Tuesday night to assess the potential impact of the amendment and to prevent its inclusion in the otherwise uncontroversial military spending bill. A senior Democratic aide in the Senate said “this would be a poison pill for DADT repeal.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/21/last-ditch-move-to-block-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell/?hp

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

@sue,

If adding an amendment doesn't work, maybe they can slip the President an exploding pen.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 22, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

"And you're suggesting the Democrats keep pouring hot oil onto the heads of the other GOP candidates to force the GOP to choose from Romney or Palin. Is that right?"

Yes and I don't mean running against the past, I mean directly challenging people to come forward with what they have in mind. It is good to have Republicans find out what each other are about.

But if they don't have to worry about that, they remain unified by the Obama Foxnews leadership conference, a toroid of enmity.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

I think the GOP is missing the irony in that first they wanted the DADT repeal stripped from the defense auth bill, and now they want to add it back in.

They give me a headache.

:o)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

@sue,

When you are fighting to keep Harry Reid from eating your lunch, irony is a luxury. I didn't know you could add an amendment after the vote. How does that work? Seems like they could add the Republican party as a needed signature.

@shrink,

I understand your point. The Democrats should listen to you. Rand Paul is a case in point. Every time he had to answer another question, the chances were good he would self destruct. The only problem was to keep him talking and talking...

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 22, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Also, I've read a few libertarian's dreaming that Ron Paul and Gary Johnson BOTH jump into the 2012 race, not so much to win anything, but to play off each other and shift the conversation against the rest of the GOP field. THAT could definitely make life interesting.

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Yeah, interesting in the sense of the overquoted Chinese curse.

Ron Paul is a fumbling racist scumbag whose followers' adoring passion will never make up for their low numbers.

Libertarians are scum and I'm more ashamed that America elected one to the Senate than I was that it re-elected a sadist president.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

12bb,

If I'm not mistaken, I think the Senate still has to vote on the defense bill. It passed the house, but that's it.

I can't imagine this amendment actually passing. The people who voted for the repeal would vote it down. In a way though, the desperation reeks of the bullheadedness of Terry Schiavo.

Sad.

Meanwhile, Harry Reid has finished with lunch, and is on the salad course of dinner. Save some room for dessert, Harry!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile over at The Fix Cillizza is hooting that Barbour can recover his shot at the presidency.

You know, the one he never had in the first place.

Cillizza just lurves his Repu-u-u-ublicans

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

cao: "Yeah, interesting in the sense of the overquoted Chinese curse."

I was thinking "interesting" more in the sense of right-wing infighting, and the splits that might develop when you fold in the various tea party elements. ;o)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and one for GOP candidate for 2016:

The governor of VA, Bob McDonnell

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Re Flimsy Graham: any man who spends his life as a closeted gay Republican in South Carolina is living in such deep denial as to make a little garden-variety political hypocrisy pale by comparison.

Posted by: joeff | December 22, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: andrewthoone | December 22, 2010 2:32 AM | Report abuse

FOX News is usually on the TV in the OR lounge in the hospital I am rotating in, so I watch a little more than I'm used to. At least from what I've seen, I wouldn't say that FOX News is taking up the banner for the 9/11 bill. It seems to just be Shep Smith.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 22, 2010 4:20 AM | Report abuse

12 Bar -- just call them a huge steaming pile of sewage and give it up. That's all they are here for, to make you so disgusted at the lows the lowest can get to, so you give up following politics in utter disgust and revulsion.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 21, 2010 10:16 PM
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With your powers of reasoning, you should have given up long ago.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if in 2016 Romney will let his grey hair show, or he'll still dye it everywhere but in front of his ears.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 10:21 PM
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Jealous, chrome dome?

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to Kevin we have a simple browser extension that removes the need for diligence or willpower. I'm pretty sure everyone who uses it blocks RFR, in fact it should come with RFR pre-blocked, well, you have all the information you need to know to block Brigade too.

And no it has nothing to do with ideology, aside from the fact that trolls are pretty much always right-wing.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 21, 2010 10:28 PM
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From the biggest, most pathetic troll on board. He was like this at the Fix, too. Always demanding that people be banned, threatening to take other posters to court, telling people who to ignore and not ignore, spewing idiotic nonsense, unable to engage in debate---in short, he was the same fool he is now.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone else over the last two days found Kevin's trollhunter gone buggy? I've had this on two computers both running Chrome. Add one or two to the troll list and site formatting gets screwed.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 22, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm seeing the formatting problem. Greg's blog entry disappears, the posts stretch all the way across the page.

I released all the blocks and reapplied them one by one. When I added Brigade the formatting went spla.

I'd rather have the screwed up formatting than see that crap Brigade posts.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/the_morning_plum_156.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 22, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

thanks cao. We can notify Kevin when he pops up and see if we can get a fix.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 22, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Brigade, if Vietnam is so great, why did he come back here?

Posted by: clawrence12 | December 22, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Come back here? You're daft. It's 10:15 PM in Cần Thơ. If you mean the blog, well, "here" can be "anywhere." I don't want to lose my native language, speaking Vietnamese all day.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"It's 10:15 PM in Cần Thơ."

It must drive th'necks crazy to know Asians have already lived through tomorrow by the time it gets to America. I'm surprised we didn't move the date line to a point just West of Bermuda, so we get to start each new day, not the wogs. Oh well, the Romans and the Brits grabbed theirs, but we missed our chance.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The lame duck session has totally ruined the holidays for millions of Americans. The lame duck congress just hoped we would be too busy to participate and voice our views. If congress is working through the holidays WE THE PEOPLE are forced to work through the holidays as well,in addition to our regular occupations. Apparently this is their revenge for us having dumped them. We will remember the Republicans who supported any lame duck legislation. This is their last gasp.

Posted by: deluded04 | December 22, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

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