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Posted at 5:56 PM ET, 12/22/2010

Happy Hour Roundup

By Greg Sargent

* With the lame duck winding down, the DNC is ramping up its efforts to sell Obama's first two years as ranking among the most productive in memory. This video recapping all of Obama's achievements, and promising more to come, is going out to the DNC list tonight:

In an email accompanying the video, DNC chair Tim Kaine writes: "The past two years have quite simply been the most productive and progressive period of change since the New Deal."

It's part of a sustained effort by Dems to use the successes of the first two years -- and the lame duck session -- to build some momentum heading into what will undoubtedly prove to be some very heavy weather in 2011.

* Indeed, Dems shouldn't gloat too much: Yes, it was a good lame duck session, but as Chris Van Hollen acknowledges, the glow of victory will quickly get overtaken by a host of very difficult political decisions Dems will face in the months ahead.

* Also: GOP pollster Dave Winston, summarizing the Republican position, says lame duck sucesses will be quickly forgotten if unemployment doesn't turn around:

"There was a lot of legislation, but the only issue people care about is jobs."

Take note, Dems.

* Obama to build on DADT repeal? At his presser today, Obama said his position on gay marriage (he's been opposed) is "constantly evolving."

* 9/11 first responders marvel at the fact that they might not have gotten their health bill passed if it weren't for Jon Stewart.

* Also: As Kevin Drum notes, it's interesting that the 9/11 health issue only gained traction in the media after conservatives began hammering the GOP for it.

* Filibuster reform update: Dozens of Dem Senators sign a letter urging Harry Reid to get serious about reform. Again: This is taking on the feel of a real movement.

* Another great Harry Reid DADT moment: He returns Dan Choi's ring.

* Also: Choi tells Joan McCarter that DADT repeal is "only the beginning." And this was before Obama said at his presser that his gay marriage views are evolving.

* DADT dead-ender watch: It turns out that the Pentagon had to step in and help foil the last minute procedural effort by GOP Senators to scuttle DADT repeal.

* Special bonus DADT dead-ender watch: GOP Rep. Mike Conaway of Texas predicts that DADT repeal will lead to segregated bunks.

Key takeaway: The political fallout from DADT repeal is not going to stop anytime soon. Looks like we'll have to make the DADT dead-ender watch a regular feature!

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | December 22, 2010; 5:56 PM ET
Categories:  Foreign policy and national security, Happy Hour Roundup, House GOPers, Senate Dems, gay rights  
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EXCEPT one thing:


McConnell DEFUNDED the health care bill


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

EXCEPT one thing:


McConnell DEFUNDED the health care bill


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Don't miss Barney Frank taking down a CNS reporter over showering in the armed services.

(snicker)

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/barney-frank-makes-a-fool-out-of-conservative-reporter-over-dont-ask-dont-tell-video.php?ref=fpb

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I truly believe that the economy is going to turn around next year.

Posted by: maritza1 | December 22, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

jesus christ, is there any way this rain idiot could be more juvenile?

is he some young drooling child using his mother's computer?

Posted by: fiona5 | December 22, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

fiona,

Did you get Troll Hunter working? Click on Ignore Rainy and you will be in business.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 22, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

his position on gay marriage (he's been opposed) is "constantly evolving."


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More accurately, he's been LYING the whole time.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"* Obama to build on DADT repeal? At his presser today, Obama said his position on gay marriage (he's been opposed) is "constantly evolving.""

Which way?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-once-supported-same_n_157656.html

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 22, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, Tim. Greatest since The Great Society.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | December 22, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Fiona

Stop complaining


Just because someone disagrees with you, that doesnt mean you are allowed to be rude


Does your mother have any manners, or is it just you ???

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

No One saw the Republicans acting like children last month when they won the election


GROW UP PEOPLE

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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

fiona, smart people here don't see him, otherwise we wouldn't be smart. If you need to use your Internet Exploder, you can still use Chrome, you can use both. I can give you easy stepwise 1 - 2 - 3 instructions to put Troll Hunter on the WaPo comments section.

It is something. A conservative/Republican wrote this little program to protect the discussion on the Plum Line from this one person (is he a RINO? well Kevin what would a wing nut say?). But remember, every time you or anyone else insults or in any way references this person as I have done now, s/he gets the food for 1000 more steaming piles of poo. It is like a fairy tale about a troll and a bridge...

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Shrink

You are how old?

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Tim Kaine, never one for a rhetorical flourish eh Chuck? I am surprised someone let him talk, after all, if he could lead...

How about some inspiration for the 21st Century? Can I get a witness? He is comparing this period to the New Deal?

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of dead enders:

Alaska Supreme Court Strikes Down Joe Miller's Claims

The Supreme Court today upheld a lower court’s decision and struck down Joe Miller’s claims that the Alaska Elections Division broke the law by counting write-in ballots that were misspelled but represented voter intent.

“We do not interpret the statute to require perfection in the manner that the candidate’s name is written on the ballot. Our prior decisions clearly hold that a voter’s intention is paramount,” the Supreme Court said in its ruling.
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Remember that poster, JakeD2, who claimed that misspellings would NOT count? And that he knew without a doubt, because he was a Stanford Law graduate. Remember him?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 22, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't miss Barney Frank taking down a CNS reporter over showering in the armed services.

(snicker)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 6:10 PM
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Did Barney also take down his pants?

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

No gloating please. It took compromise from both sides to get things done.

We should not start bragging about how Obama won and the other side lost. Without the votes of several Republican Senators, nothing would have passed.

So congratulations to all those who came together, from both parties, to things done.

Happy Holiday season to all, regardless of your political affiliations.

Here is hoping that 2011 will be a better year for all of you.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 22, 2010
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A very sensible post from a fellow I seldom agree with. Merry Christmas.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

@shrink-

I get Kaine's energy, just don't agree with his statement. I'd put O third on the list.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | December 22, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't usually read the Daily Beast, but this take on John McCain's recent vote against the Dream Act (that he has sponsored in the past) is kinda telling in a not-very-good kinda way:


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"Woods said "it hurts" McCain to vote against legislation like the Dream Act after years of working on reform but said the senator felt betrayed when Latinos overwhelmingly supported Obama in 2008. "When you carry that fight at great sacrifice year after year and then you are abandoned during the biggest fight of your life, it has to have some sort of effect on you," he said."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-12-22/john-mccains-dont-ask-dont-tell-dream-votes-and-his-lasting-anger/

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Compromising was, indeed, the key to passing some of this legislation. Obama appears to have learned his lesson.

Posted by: sbj3 | December 22, 2010
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Exactly. Obama had a good month---because he decided to sit down a work with Republicans. He got the message from the voters. Now he's picking off a few (or more) Republicans on some of his pet priorities.

He got a new stimulus by extending the Bush tax cuts and giving ground on the estate tax. I think it's too expensive, but at least Republicans then killed the hideous omnibus bill. He got DADT repealed, which I did not support, and also got the START treaty and the 9/ll responders legislation after Republicans cut some of the fat. Thank goodness the DREAM act failed.

Now everyone's claiming victory---everyone but some of the loonie left nitwits who see Obama as a sellout. No matter. He couldn't care less about them or what he calls the "professional left." He knows they'll be bent over, shining his boots with their tongues, when the next election rolls around.

No one will care much by 2012 what this lame duck (and lame-brained) Congress cranked out---it's the economy, stupid---but this does put the lie to the B/S we've been hearing from Reid, Pelosi, MSNBC and the pinkpo nutjobs posting here at Plum Line that you just can't work with any of these Republicans.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

@brigade: "This does put the lie to the B/S we've been hearing... that you just can't work with any of these Republicans."

Rather strange that the GOP hasn't been getting kudos for compromising... The lame duck was a tango.

Posted by: sbj3 | December 22, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

From listening to some of the talking heads this morning, I gather more and more people are coming to the conclusion that the real action over the next couple of years will be at the state level---where they can't print money. In the financial wreck which is California, some are predicting Jerry Brown will have to govern in such an austere way as to may Chris Christie look like a socialist. With Republicans in Washington set to grab the purse strings in January, where can a liberal Governor turn for help? Since the golden goose has already been cooked, will liberals support another liberal like Brown when he has to cut spending or just whine and tar him as a RINO?

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

There is really very little sense in this country that we are all in this together. You can thank Chris Fox and right wing radio for creating that type of division.

Posted by: filmnoia | December 22, 2010
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Well, he's certainly done his share.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Rather strange that the GOP hasn't been getting kudos for compromising."

What if Sharron Angle had won?

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

"Rather strange that the GOP hasn't been getting kudos for compromising."

What if Sharron Angle had won?

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 7:12 PM
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Dingy Harry is thanking his lucky stars that Angle was his opponent. People make fun of Mitch McConnell, but McConnell would have sent Harry into retirement had he been his opponent in Nevada.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"Rather strange that the GOP hasn't been getting kudos for compromising... The lame duck was a tango."

Kudos to the GOP except McCain, McConnell, DeMint, Graham, Inhofe, Coburn, LeMieux, Kyl, Barrasso, Grassley, Crapo, Risch, Shelby, Sessions, Thune, Vitter, Wicker, Enzi, Cornyn, Hutchison, and Enzi.

I'll even thank Ensign, for his vote on DADT repeal.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

@sue: "I'll even thank Ensign, for his vote on DADT repeal."

You're not thanking him - you're just posting on a blog!

Posted by: sbj3 | December 22, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Some Democrats think Republicans did not fight them on every detail at every turn. This is because liberals are weak. You beat Republicans when you fight Republicans.

If Murkowski and Reid and Coons were not in these fights, do you think the Republicans would have helped Democrats decide compromise is best?

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

jncp4 wrote,
"Getting rid of Guantanamo doesn't make the problem go away. It's just a symbol. The bipartisan consensus now seems to be that instead of detaining terrorists without due process, we'll assassinate them. I find it odd that there is more progressive/liberal opposition to detaining terrorist suspects than there is to killing them outright."
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You're correct that there is bipartisan consensus here. Republicans and most Democrats say nothing about killing terrorists because they believe it's the right thing to do. Obama evidently agrees.

I don't think the "progressive/liberal opposition" operates on principles. The killing is okay if a Democrat is commander-in-chief. You haven't seen Cindy Sheehan out riding her broom since Obama was elected have you?

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"Rather strange that the GOP hasn't been getting kudos for compromising... The lame duck was a tango."

*Cough* *Cough* how much in tax cuts in the stimulus?

haha, you're such a whiny little prick.

Posted by: DDAWD | December 22, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I get it. Battleground wants Blacks to sit at the back of the bus and pay poll taxes, less child saftey, less highway safety, less funding for eduaction, and when he/she gets old, he can just refuse Medicare.

And that's a *short* list...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | December 22, 2010
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I wonder if Kevin could code something so liberals can easily link to a small database of their favorite canned responses. Then they could just paste without wasting all those key strokes. It wouldn't take a very large file---maybe one page. (1) You're a filthy racist; (2) You're a rotten bigot; (3) You're a greedy b*stard; (4) You hate poor people; (5) Why do you bother responding to conservatives---PLONK. Can you think of any others?

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Dingy Harry is thanking his lucky stars that Angle was his opponent...

Wrong, he has you to thank. Stupid Democrats who think compromise with Republicans is the way to go have the Tea Party to thank, we all have Republican extremism to thank for the compromise this session. Had they shoved their "values" candidates down America's throat? No compromise.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Tom Coburn is also busy fighting any attempt by the administration to send aid to the millions of stranded Haitians after the devastating earthquake that killed an estimated 200,000 people in what was already the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere.

Tom Coburn IS a piece of business.

Posted by: americanjew1971 | December 22, 2010
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Why do you need Tom Coburn? Did you lose your checkbook?

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"There is really very little sense in this country that we are all in this together."

We aren't all in this together. Your party is committed to robbing the rest of us of our freedoms, our heritage, our republican form of government, and our money. Don't you listen to your candidates and officeholders and watch what they do?

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 22, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna be unhappy with the next Congress, but not as a liberal, but as a sentient human being.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | December 22, 2010
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Right. Since when?

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"We aren't all in this together."

Whew, I'm glad we killed that idea.
That would be the end of politics.

So, who are you going to "run" for President?
Have you got a dog in the hunt?

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

shrink2:
"Republicans hate the idea of anyone other than rich people benefiting from legislation."
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There's one! Oh, that's a good one---a real doozy. Put that right at the top of the liberal response list, Kevin. That one can be used in response to literally thousands of posts.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

My, what a surprise that Barry is within days of forcing homosexuality on the military Barry is "evolving" toward gay marriage. You would almost think those of us who always said is gay marriage position was phony were on to something.

Is there a single liberal who has the honesty to say O has been disingenuous on gay marriage from the beginning?

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 22, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

"haha, you're such a whiny little prick."

And your the height of rational discourse and tolerance for differing opinIon. Oh, I forgot, sbj3 Is a heretic, anything goes with apostates, hunh? I bet you think he's self-hating.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 22, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I'll stand by my comment, even though it was snipped out of context (eye roll) Brigade has to do something to seem smart.

Republicans know what the legislature is for.
Democrats are still a bit confused.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Whatever momentum they (Republicans) had from the midterm election they have already squandered by being so obviously focused on slamming the President instead of working for the American people.

Posted by: bearclaw1 | December 22, 2010
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Squandered their momentum? Does that mean all those new Republican House members, Senators, Governors and state legislators don't get to take office in January? Or are you just figuring the 2012 election will hinge on the fact that a lame duck Congress repealed DADT? If the economy's still in the tank then...well, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

All the talk and demands from the democrats that Congress should work up until Christmas - like everyone else.


AND there goes Obama ON A 12 DAY VACATION TONIGHT


.................. Just like every other American


so pathetic


The American People are sick of the democrats

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse


his position on gay marriage (he's been opposed) is "constantly evolving."


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More accurately, he's been LYING the whole time.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

AllButCertain wrote,
"I just want to recommend Isabel Wilkerson's The Warmth of Other Suns again. It's an even-handed look at the racial situation that caused the migration north starting with World War I and going into the 1970's. And clear-eyed and calm as it is, it's absolutely hair-raising. We need to keep remembering the actual history so we don't relive it."
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Relive it? Democrats were responsible for it, but I thought they'd all gotten religion by now---like the late Senator Byrd. Maybe you should read up on the Sand Creek massacre. Just so we don't relive it.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Next, it is clear that two Democrats will lose seats. the speculation is that one of those losers will be Dennis the menace Kuchinich. Quel Domage. What will we do without our resident UFO believing whacko? On whom with the misguided folks on cleveland's west side waste their vote in the future?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | December 22, 2010
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Both he and Al Sharpton will continue to seek the Democratic nomination for President.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Arlen Specter and others of the old guard, finally waking up to the fact that the radicals they installed are going to screw the country, destroy democracy utterly, and put transnational corporation and foreign governments in charge. Too late.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 22, 2010
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Right. Too late. The plane for Vietnam leaves any minute now.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

shrink2 yet again:
"This is not 1994. Republicans have no popular leaders, no Presidential contender..."
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No Bob Dole?

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"You're not thanking him - you're just posting on a blog!"

Yup, and that's all he deserves.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is off on vacation..... AGAIN

what a joke

the 15th vacation of the year

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

sbj, if it makes you feel better, I did fax a thank you letter to Susan Collins.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"Right. Too late. The plane for Vietnam leaves any minute now."

What I see is fiona, shrink, and ethan trying to grab the skids of the last helicopter leaving Capitol Hill with Barry, Harry and Nancy on board.

Snarlin Arlen too -- a died in the wool lefty who passed himself off for decades.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 22, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

fiona5 wrote,
"Movement conservatism, like communism and fascism, needs to constantly revise history for its propaganda program."

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Now tell us everything you know about conservatism. Right. That didn't take long. Now go read some more of Bernie's posts.

Or better yet, hop a flight to some workers' paradise. Maybe Vietnam. Didn't I already suggest that once? Then you won't have us mean ole conservatives to worry about anymore. Just people like you and charliecong9.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

$6.2 BILLION WOW 1 1/2 weeks in Iraq.

This is a good example of how republicans plan on treating our wounded veterans.

Posted by: knjincvc | December 22, 2010

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That shouldn't concern shirkers like you. What have you ever done for your country?
I mean other than sponge off taxpayers and take up space.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Here's your tango:

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2010/12/22/1223-cartoon-mike-luckovich-on-obama/?cxntfid=blogs_mike_luckovich&ref=nf

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually, it would have been better had the responders said "wait a minute."
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So the 9/11 responders have only themselves to blame? Is that what you mean?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | December 22, 2010
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No, they have some middle-eastern terrorists to blame. And any associated costs should come straight from the coffers of whatever nations aided and abetted them, taken by force if necessary.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I really love the Orwellian way in which Dems always say "we" "can't afford" "tax cuts for the rich."

There is no "we" involved, nor is there anything to "afford." There are Dem socialists who want to extract money from group A to bribe group B for votes.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 22, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Arlen Specter and others of the old guard, finally waking up to the fact that the radicals they installed are going to screw the country, destroy democracy utterly, and put transnational corporation and foreign governments in charge. Too late.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 22, 2010
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Right. Too late. The plane for Vietnam leaves any minute now.

-You are so very tiny, so very small and bitter.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 22, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Greg writes:

"Also: As Kevin Drum notes, it's interesting that the 9/11 health issue only gained traction in the media after conservatives began hammering the GOP for it."

Now.. if next, liberals would tell Ds to spend less and conservatives would tell Rs to tax more. Well, if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | December 22, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I'll stand by my comment, even though it was snipped out of context (eye roll) Brigade has to do something to seem smart.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010

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Never give an inch. I know you'll stand by your comments, thus my suggestion that a database of liberal responses would come in handy for you.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

-You are so very tiny, so very small and bitter.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 22, 2010

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Bitter? About what? Not me.

Very tiny, so very small. Now you're thinking of caothien9. I don't think the darned thing works anymore either. Maybe that's why he's so bitter.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

No gloating please. It took compromise from both sides to get things done.

We should not start bragging about how Obama won and the other side lost. Without the votes of several Republican Senators, nothing would have passed.

So congratulations to all those who came together, from both parties, to things done.

Happy Holiday season to all, regardless of your political affiliations.

Here is hoping that 2011 will be a better year for all of you.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 22, 2010

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Thank You Liam


This is why no one wants to Compromise with Obama - his talking points are obnoxious.

This country will not be right again until we get rid of Obama and his leftists


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Someone go check...has hell frozen over?

Pat Robertson favors decriminalizing marijuana...yes, that Pat Robertson...unbelievable!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQi7A5MW2kQ&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 22, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Segregated bunks.

You really need to wonder about these guys. This crap goes seven miles past mere bigotry. These guys are obsessed.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

"Bitter? About what? Not me.

Very tiny, so very small. Now you're thinking of caothien9. I don't think the darned thing works anymore either. Maybe that's why he's so bitter."

Projection alert.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 22, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Troll Hunter summary says I have 37 posts blocked (thanks, Kevin), leaving 63. That's an easy calculation: 37% of the posts come from gibbering right wing trolls.

No longer curious about what I'm missing, I could probably write the posts myself just imitating the style. Styles? Tough one.

RFR saying Democrats aren't meek enough, Brigade trolling for aghast reaction, clawrence cranking out rotten sausage, quarterback telling everyone they're illogical and stupid and never getting around to explaining why.

I'm not missing shee it.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

What a life, I can't imagine being afraid of homosexuals, except lesbians. Old straight guy that I am if were deployed with lesbians in the shower, that would really bother me. I'd be like, "well...this water is kind of chilly, don't you think?" She'd say, "Chilly? It feels hot to me," and after that I'd smell as bad as the creepy Muslim women who guard the tunnels and caves under the Dome of the Rock.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Is Brigade writing about me again? Implying what, diminutivity and impotence? Oh, that's good.

You know what a top is, Brigade?

Briggy, I don't see your posts. And if you need a hobby, I don't make a very good one. Maybe you should take up fellatio, er, I mean philately.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

' Dingy Harry" -- gee that sounds so very familiar...

This one and RFR are resident wapo trolls for at least the last three years, just so you know to block for repetition and just plain boredom...ZZZZ.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 22, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah shrink you really need to wonder what Bizarro universe these guys live in. I mean, every gym I've ever belonged to had a high percentage of gay members (gay men are a lot more diligent about staying in shape, must be that narcissism, right? Can't possibly be better discipline, discipline is for right-wingers), and yes they shower together, and somehow life just goes on. Nobody ever loses control to lust and starts humping an unwelcome uh recipient.

Yet somehow put them in barracks and all lewd hell is going to break loose, semen spraying everywhere.

Revealing .. one of the most aggressive opponents to mixed-orientation willy-dangle is afraid to disrobe at the gym.

I just love it when my world is coherent and everything lines up like that,making clear sense.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Imagine Democrats thinking Republicans compromised when all they did was lose some election battles back in November.

I can not figure that out. I can only guess. Republicans would dance on the graves of liberals and their causes and their little dog too. Politics is a blood sport by another name.

But I suppose liberals need to believe Republicans are people too. Liberals believe there is a good person inside every bad person just trying to get out, as if Fox caused all the problems. Liberals think, if only we can treat bad people better, they will become better people and then someday, with all the best social engineering and policy...Republicans could be good people too.

Conservatives think liberals must be crushed like bugs.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

You've been through his painfully closeted and sadistic obsession before, cao, no need to relive it... you know who he is.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 22, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Quite a few accomplishments for a few weeks of work, but I agree with whoever said Republicans made it appear to be even more of a win by opposing both the Start Treaty and the 9/11 responders bill down to the wire. I was glad to see a bump in the President's standing though. We're still going to have problems next year with unemployment, foreclosures, immigration reform and the GOP efforts to undermine the public work force, Social Security, and funding of legislation already passed. Let's not get too comfy, there's lots of work to be done and before we know it it'll be election time again, wooo hooo (jk).

It was nice to see some Republicans vote their values and best judgment for a change instead of just taking marching orders from leadership and the Tea Party. Can't wait to see who runs in the primaries, and those debates should be a thing of beauty. LOL

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"WASHINGTON -- The White House is preparing a major grassroots push to pass the DREAM Act next year, which President Obama said Wednesday was one of his top priorities after the legislation failed in the recent lame duck session. Acknowledging the next Congress will be much more resistant to the President's agenda, the White House also backs changing the rules of the Senate, although it won't get involved in specific proposals.

On a conference call with journalists Wednesday, White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said the President is willing to "wage a very public campaign" to push the DREAM Act, which would grant undocumented students who were brought into the United States as minors by their parents a path to citizenship through higher education or military service. He added that grassroots activism will be essential to success."

Posted by: lmsinca | December 22, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I like lesbians

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm not missing shee it.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 9:29 PM
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Is Brigade writing about me again? Implying what, diminutivity and impotence? Oh, that's good.

You know what a top is, Brigade?

Briggy, I don't see your posts. And if you need a hobby, I don't make a very good one. Maybe you should take up fellatio, er, I mean philately.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 9:35 PM
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Yeah shrink you really need to wonder what Bizarro universe these guys live in. I mean, every gym I've ever belonged to had a high percentage of gay members. . .
semen spraying everywhere (especially when I passed gas).

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 9:43 PM |
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This guy gives a whole new meaning to the term "bottom-feeder". Sounds like he may have missed his daily protein injection.

fiona5 is kissing up, though. Maybe she'll get a free ticket to the communist paradise.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

by Mark Joyella, 22 December 2010:

"Gen. James Clapper is the guy who’s tasked with coordinating everything the nation knows about terrorism and national security. It’s a huge task, and the job requires a certain kind of mind–you know, the kind that soaks up details and stays on top of the latest important events.

"So it’s perhaps somewhat less than comforting to watch Diane Sawyer’s revealing interview with our nation’s top terror team and see Clapper appear to know less about the arrests of 12 people in London as part of a potential holiday terror plot than anybody who, say, watched Good Morning America that day as they got the kids ready for school.

"When Sawyer asked about London, and “how safe is it? Any implication that it was coming here? Director Clapper?” She gets the worst of all answers from a top intelligence figure (who’s still in their job): “London?”

"Sawyer–who kindly let Secretary Janet Napolitano’s gaffe about America’s anti-terror forces being on the job “24/7, 364″ slip without calling her on it, did not let this one go–and rightfully so:

SAWYER: "I was a little surprised you didn't know about London."

CLAPPER: "Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't."

"Well, that should make us all feel better. The pause and utter lack of comprehension on Clapper’s face is the very reason why television news exists. Pictures do tell the story."

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This is the kind of cretin we have on the nation's payroll with Obama in the White House. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"What a life, I can't imagine being afraid of homosexuals, except lesbians."

I can't imagine being so intellectually dishonest as to pretend fear has something to do with it.

"Revealing .. one of the most aggressive opponents to mixed-orientation willy-dangle is afraid to disrobe at the gym."

This cao creature really is an inveterate liar. The most vile creature ever to slither into PL.

"No longer curious about what I'm missing, I could probably write the posts myself just imitating the style. Styles? Tough one."

Hahaha. This place reaches levels of self-parody and irony that I just wouldn't believe if I didn't see it.

This creature was obviously greivously wounded by the humiliating lessons on Soviet history and development I gave him, not to mention the exposure of his sadly false expertise in microbiology and contagious diseases.


Posted by: quarterback1 | December 22, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Pay to play, you pay to play in the "free" market.
This is hilarious.

"And they complain that the biggest Caribbean schools, which are profit-making institutions, are essentially bribing New York hospitals by paying them millions of dollars to take their students. The American medical schools traditionally pay nothing, because hospitals like the prestige of being associated with universities."

You pay to play. Any questions?
And here I thought health care was an industry that could avoid importing incompetent labor, but just for the coyote's price?
I am such a dunce.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/nyregion/23caribbean.html?hp

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"I can't imagine being so intellectually dishonest as to pretend fear has something to do with it."

Oh sure, as if you could cheerfully shower with a hirsute bull dike Master Sargent who is sporting a mississippi mud flap and a tat on her arm that says, "Puke, I am your father."

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

we now say whatever we want about cao


Funny how 12 bar doesnt come on this blog daily saying how many times he has been banned

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse


we now say whatever we want about cao

Funny how 12 bar doesnt come on this blog daily saying how many times he has been banned

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 22, 2010 11:21 PM
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He's basically banned himself. LOL. He's now in an echo chamber where he feels more comfortable.

What happened to Kevin and Scott? We can't afford to lose conservatives. There were hardly any at the Fix. I hope the commie isn't driving away good posters.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Being grossed out and afraid aren't the same.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 22, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

So, are you saying that QB1 is a bigot, or a homophobe, because he opposed DADT?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | December 22, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh sure, as if you could cheerfully shower with a hirsute bull dike Master Sargent who is sporting a mississippi mud flap and a tat on her arm that says, "Puke, I am your father."

Posted by: shrink2 | December 22, 2010 11:00 PM
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You have some, er ...interesting...fantasies.

Posted by: Brigade | December 22, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

You've been through his painfully closeted and sadistic obsession before, cao, no need to relive it... you know who he is.

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OK, gotcha. I just think it's funny as hell. I've been going to the gym 5-6 days a week more than half my life and it's just such a familiar and ordinary thing to shower and change there that the idea of someone having to make excuses for being afraid to cracks me up.

Every January the place is briefly a little more crowded, all the guys who made a resolution to get in shape .. by the third week it's back to normal. They never return.

The only thing funnier than QBs toilet seat excuse is the fatties who claim they joined a gym once but everyone made fun of them,so now they're never going back, and, oh, people who stay in shape are Body Nazis.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

OK, gotcha. I just think it's funny as hell. I've been going to the gym 5-6 days a week more than half my life and it's just such a familiar and ordinary thing to shower and change there that the idea of someone having to make excuses for being afraid to cracks me up.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 22, 2010 11:51 PM
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Most people go to the gym to work out, not looking for bulls or punks. That makes you different.

Posted by: Brigade | December 23, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Being grossed out and afraid aren't the same.

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They're twins.

Plenty of straight men work and shower alongside gay men and never give it a momen't thought, and don't visually what the gay guy does in bed. For you, it's different. Aversion has a basis, they don't call it homophobia because thevGreek root for hate is so unfamiliar, you know.

You clearly dwell on homosexual visualization and work yourself up into a lather of aversion, which you wouldn't do if that hook didn't have some purchase.

It's a little more than ironic that so many politically active homophobes turn out to not only be involved in gay sex, but involved in humiliating and self-degrading fetishes.

Now turn that crank and tell me my logic is faulty, or some crap like that.

You're preoccupied with homosexuality, As evidenced by dozens and dozens of posts about it, even though DADT has now been repealed and integration is the law, still can't let it go.

I wonder what sort of magazines one would find between your mattresses.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 23, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

"Now turn that crank and tell me my logic is faulty, or some crap like that."
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Freudian slip. I told you his crank doesn't work anymore. That's why he's a bottom as well as a dork.

Posted by: Brigade | December 23, 2010 2:39 AM | Report abuse

@Brigade--Surely you know that the 20th century Civil Rights legislation was passed by liberals and moderates and that party alignments are far different now than they were then--and in large part because of that legislation. So who are you trying to persuade differently?

Posted by: AllButCertain | December 23, 2010 2:50 AM | Report abuse

Is Brigade roasting his old chestnut again? That it's the Democrats who're the racists? Of course he knows otherwise but having a conservative's usual relationship with the truth—its enemy—he'd hve us belleve that the Dixiecrats didn't all become Repblicans after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, exactlly as he said they would.

And gotta touch all the bases .. yes, Sen. Byrd was a virulent racist much earlier in his life.

But unlike the GOP of today, of which Brigade is a dues-paying member in good standing, Byrd repudated his racist past, while today's GOP refuses to remove racism's feeding tube, keeping the brain-dead beloved relative alive long after its brain has jellied.

The Democrats before the mid-60s embraced racism, and there was also, hard though it is to believe now, liberal Republicans.

Now it's the Republicans whose Southern Strategy has graduated from dog-whistle ("porous borders" and "quotas") to reviving the raw language of racial bigotry.

And christ to they lie a lot.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 23, 2010 3:38 AM | Report abuse


The first new rule says you HAVE to have insurance. Both my husband and I have pre-existing conditions, and although the new bill says we can't be denied coverage because of it. So far, the cheapest health insurance we've been able to find is called "Wise Health Insurance" search for it online if you are pre-existing conditions.

Posted by: daleleblanc | December 23, 2010 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Good video, really good video.

I can see the 2012 ads now.

Posted by: bonncaruso | December 23, 2010 5:07 AM | Report abuse

"says lame duck sucesses will be quickly forgotten if unemployment doesn't turn around:"

Slashing spending, as the Republicans promise to do, seems like a good way to ensure that unemployment doesn't turn around.

Posted by: rhallnj | December 23, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

*One of the most pervasive notions forwarded and believed by people on the right is that government is getting bigger and that it got bigger under Democratic administrations. But neither is really true at all...*

"Yes, government got bigger under those socialists Dwight Eisenhower, LBJ, and Nixon. Since then, however, there has been no trend relative to population.

And bear in mind, again, that the representative government employee isn’t a bureaucrat trampling on your liberty; he or she is a schoolteacher.

When you get deeper into the details, you find other stories; thanks to one of my commenters for pointing to Mike Konczal’s dissection of claims that there has been a huge increase in the number of regulators; it turns out that essentially all of the increase reflects the growth of Homeland Security.

So those are the facts — not that they matter."

Go to the link below to see a graph of government employment relative to population (see Notes on Government Employment)

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Bernie and Cao

They aren't "thread-bombing?"


Posted by: RainForestRising | December 23, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Note to my commie buddies...

A fair bit of flack has come my way here over the last year when I've insisted that Obama is a better President for progressives than Jane Hamsher would be. I hope this is a marginally more believable proposition after the previous month.

Mike Tomasky recently wrote that the chances of America finding itself led by a President more liberal than Obama at this point in time is exactly zero. I think that is so. On the other hand, the chances of America finding itself led by a President far less liberal than Bush (or Nixon or even Reagan) is very much greater than zero.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

With all this talk of Obama's "accomplishments" NOTHING ABOUT JOBS

NOTHING ABOUT THE ECONOMY

The democrats care more about the gay agenda than GROWING THE ECONOMY

Obama's National Security team is clueless and what does Obama do? He goes on vacation again

There is gross incompetence at the highest levels of our government and all the democrats want to do is PRETEND that Obama is "accomplishing" things and give each other high fives. The democrats aren't qualified to govern, they aren't even adults.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 23, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS


Bomb explodes at Swiss Embassy in Rome

Obama's Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper will find out about this BOMBING sometime late this afternoon.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 23, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

What is ahead? The Mama Grizzly strategy has fallen aside with Palin's decline in favor. Voices out of the conservative establishment continue to describe their situation, explicitly or implicitly, as needing a "savior" candidate in 2012 but no one gets near that descriptor. Rubio is their big hope but he's not ready.

It's understood that Obama presents a uniquely formidable figure in the way of their hopes to regain the WH. And it's understood that a continuation of economic travail will enhance the "kick the bums out" sentiment among voters.

Therefore, we can count on Republicans to act in accord with those two factors. They will mount a full-scale and non-stop campaign to demonize the man (alien, socialist, destroyer of goodness and godliness and America-as-we-know-it) when propagandizing their base. They will initiate "investigations" which will have the purpose of finding anything which might be used as a propaganda cudgel to smear the President (this will not be a reality-based group of enterprises). And they will do everything they can to inhibit economic recovery including insisting it isn't happening even if it is.

The next two years will be very ugly because this modern American conservative movement is very ugly.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

If there is such a high security alert right now, WHY is Obama going on vacation???


I just saw a pic of Obama with a Hawaaiin LEI around his neck.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 23, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Should have added...Republicans will now be organizing voter suppression systems everywhere they deem such might alter electoral results. Most of this will be below the radar other than for possible cases where an error or a foolish move brings such a project to light.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

"What happened to Kevin and Scott? We can't afford to lose conservatives. There were hardly any at the Fix. I hope the commie isn't driving away good posters."

Wondering too. I took several breaks, and they seem to have disappeared in the meantime.

It would be amusing to see the foreign creature explain to Scott he needs to be liquidated because that's how Stalin achieved such great development.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 23, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Comment held for review? Weak, Greg.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 23, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Murdoch in Britain...

"Rupert Murdoch's close links to the Conservative party were thrown into the spotlight today after it emerged that the culture secretary, Jeremy Hunt, held a private meeting with the tycoon's son, James, at which no civil servants were present.

The meeting took place on 28 June, shortly after News Corp said it had made an offer to buy the 61% of BSkyB it does not already own.

James Murdoch is chairman of BSkyB and chief executive of News Corp in Europe and Asia.

Hunt's relations with the Murdochs are now under fresh scrutiny since he was handed official responsibility for ruling on News Corp's bid to take full control of BSkyB.

The business secretary, Vince Cable, was forced to relinquish control of the decision after he was recorded boasting that he was "at war" with Rupert Murdoch."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/22/conservative-links-murdoch-private-meeting

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

"They will mount a full-scale and non-stop campaign to demonize the man . . . ."

You could have just said they will do what Dems did to W.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 23, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Yeah the modern conservative movement is ugly all right, but that doesn't tell the whole tale. Yeah it's ugly; brutish, malevolent, crude, cruel, angry, but its real outstanding feature is its nihillism.

Conservatives make little effort to hide the fact that they want to see everything fall apart.

And not just the Rapture theology either; nobody pretends that destroying all social safety nets won't lead to social upheaval and misery, they don't bother denying that, they seem to be looking forward to it. Looking forward to people starving and unsafe streets and chaos.

Part of this is the conceit that they're strong and tough and they can take it and it'll be others who suffer while they're rich enough or armed enough or brutal enough to do well in a country that becomes like Somalia. They're wrong. of course.

But another part of it is just *wanting* to see things break down.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 23, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

"Comment held for review? Weak, Greg."

It will be a suspect word that the software caught. Happens to me fairly often.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Quarterback

That is exactly what the democratic rubes did - now they are mocking what they themselves have done by attempting to say that behavior is wrong

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 23, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

"It will be a suspect word that the software caught. Happens to me fairly often."

Golly, didn't think I used any naughty words. Oh well, just responding to sniping. Doesn't really matter. I'm just disappointed that cao was supposedly blocking me but apparently isn't.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 23, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Who thinks O slipped yesterday when he said is time to "pivot" and focus on jobs? Seemed to me a gaffe that makes him look (exposes him as) just the political creature he claims not to be.

Posted by: quarterback1 | December 23, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

@cao
I think you are conflating disparate elements in the modern coalition in a way that obscures more than illuminates. For sure, there are the "set fire to the world and bring me next to you, jesus" types who have gained political power in the movement. But I think they stand at odds to those who hold the real power and influence and who do not wish for levels of instability which might upset a system they have gamed.

On another issue...

"The head of the Catholic church in Phoenix has stripped Arizona's largest hospital of its Catholic affiliation after he ruled that a decision to save the life of a mother by terminating her 11-week pregnancy was morally wrong.

Bishop Thomas Olmsted announced yesterday that St Joseph's hospital can no longer be considered to be Catholic. The ruling breaks a relationship that stretches back to the hospital's founding by Catholic nuns 115 years ago.

He has also excommunicated the member of the hospital's ethics committee that permitted the abortion to go ahead."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/22/us-catholic-bishop-hospital-abortion

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm talking about the movement conservatves, Bernie, not the Wall Street gang. The financials want a stable society of excruciatingly desperate people ready to be perfectly obedient while being paid starvation wages. The movement conservatives want chaos.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 23, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of potential upset apple carts...

"'WikiLeaks to publish Israel cables on Second Lebanon War, Dubai assassination'
Julian Assange, founder of whistle-blowing website, says thousands of documents related to Israel are due to be released over next six months."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-to-publish-israel-cables-on-second-lebanon-war-dubai-assassination-1.332416

Watch as the NRO/Weekly Standard, Abe Foxman, AIPAC crowd now get REALLY big on the evils of transparency and of informed citizens.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

quarterback1, did you see how Michelle Obama took an earlier flight to Hawaii?

Posted by: clawrence12 | December 23, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/the_morning_plum_157.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 23, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

@Cao - "The movement conservatives want chaos." That seems a tenable thesis to me but limited to the extremist portion of the evangelical crowd (which definitely has gained influence within the modern party and movement of the last two decades). My notion would be that these folks won't be permitted to get too far towards their hoped-for goals. There looks to be a confluence of aims re Iran (one step closer to worldwide conflagration for the armageddon fruitcakes and windfall profits for the war industry corporations from endless Orwellian war) and a confluence of aims re Republican electoral successes but past that, the goals seems to run strongly contrary. As you are well aware, there's a long and broad history of US business interests (not uniquely a US behavior, of course) supporting seriously evil regimes simply as a means of ensuring "stability" for profit-taking enterprises and all facilitated by the US military and intelligence bodies. A similar dynamic would seem to me to lead to a tempering of the religious crowd's influence here. Do you see it playing out in some such manner?

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Yeah like the suppression of labor organization in Central America and the overthrow of Allende, support of Shah Pahlevi, etc. etc.

But I wasn't even talking about the Armageddon crazies, I was thinking more of the current House and Senate Republicans, and very much thinking of the rank and file of the GOP base.

They cite the usual Reagan era junk about limited government and fiscal conservatism as their rationale but nobody can believe that cutting off unemployment benefits is going to lead to anything but major social disorder. The absolute hard line on the availability of automatic weapons may be just ideology amock but at the same time as people are literally hungry (not just "ready for supper") .. nobody can seriously think this is going to lead to anything good.

And maybe they're just keyboard kommados but what I read in the blogs sounds like these guys really like the idea of America going to hell.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 23, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Cao - gotcha. My take on this is that these people (DeMint, Bachmann, etc) are so poorly educated and so steeped in thought-terminating cliches that they presume that the nation, if stripped of "government", will magically function properly. Sure, there'll be some suffering but the sufferers deserve it, axiomatically, and the magical powers of the Constitution and of America's exceptionism, and the benign grace of GodInHeaven will keep the keel even.

These people and this ideology is deeply pathological, we clearly both agree on this. We're also agreed that civil turmoil of a serious nature is a real possibility up the road here. That scares me for a lot of reasons, not least being the emergence of technologies that make a police state social organization far easier to implement in a large and complex society.

And by the way, delightful to have you here.

Posted by: bernielatham | December 23, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The pleasure is all mine, bernie, you write with a clarity and focus that I find envious. Your average day "beats my best," to borrow from Pete Townsend.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 23, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

What scares me even more Bernie in the potential for totalitarian crackdown is the enthusiasm of those poorly educated with all the Glocks to act on the side of the crazies. This is a viciously anti-intellectual populism and coming so much from the intellectually insecure two-digit crowd it has great potential to go the way of Pol Pot.

I keep saying this.. democracy is founded on people voting and acting in their own self-interest, that's fundemental, and it;s completely broken down.

Posted by: caothien9 | December 23, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

“If you’re a supporter of this President’s agenda, you have seen some setbacks and false starts, but Christmas has undoubtedly come early. While the President is being labeled the “comeback kid” and the glow of a convalescent figure follows him to vacation in Hawaii. Your gift was a country moving in the progressive direction you voted for in 2008. Change has indeed come to America, now it’s time to dig in and protect all that has been accomplished.”

My review of the 111th “Mighty-Duck” Congress:
http://j.mp/i7kUMZ

Posted by: RyanC1384 | December 23, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

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