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Posted at 12:47 PM ET, 12/16/2010

How Harry Reid can make time for DADT repeal

By Greg Sargent

Now that Scott Brown and Olympia Snowe have come out for the stand-alone bill in the Senate to repeal don't ask don't tell, there's no longer any doubt as to whether there are the necessary 60 votes in the Senate to get this done. The only issue, Harry Reid tells us, is this: Will there be enough time to vote on repeal before the end of the lame duck session?

As a matter of fact, there is a simple way that Reid can make the time necessary to ensure this gets done, aides involved in the discussions tell me. Reid needs to schedule a debate and vote on DADT repeal beginning as soon as this weekend, once the issue over government funding is resolved. Reid can do this before New START is resolved, or at least while it's getting resolved.

On MSNBC just now, Joe Lieberman called on Reid to fast-track DADT repeal in this fashion. "I believe instead of going back to the START treaty, we should go to the independent stand-alone repeal of don't ask don't tell Saturday night," Lieberman said. "We can get it done by Monday, maybe Tuesday at the latest, and then go back to the START treaty."

Here's why this is the way to go, as spelled out by an aide involved in the discussions. If Reid waits until New START is done before holding the vote on DADT, Senators could start going home once the treaty is resolved, dooming DADT repeal. But this scenario would be averted if Reid slips in the DADT vote before START. By contrast, if the DADT repeal debate and vote are done first, no Senator will leave Washington before START is resolved. So doing DADT repeal first doesn't imperil START.

What's more, if worst comes to worst, START could be resolved early next year. DADT repeal, meanwhile, can't be resolved next year, because by then the votes simply may not be there in the Senate to pass it. The votes, however, are there right now, and GOP moderates have signaled that it's time.

The problem is that the White House badly wants START done before Senators go home for the holidays. As much as Obama wants DADT repealed, it seems clear that START is a higher priority. Aides believe this is why Reid keeps saying that START must go first -- and why he won't say outright that a vote on DADT repeal definitely will happen. He wants to keep the decks cleared to get START done.

But according to an aide involved in the discussions, there's simply no reason why Reid can't hold the DADT repeal vote this weekend, in effect double-tracking it with START. After all, it's becoming clear that a DADT vote wouldn't take up much time: Scott Brown and other moderate GOP Senators are now signaling that they won't require a lengthy debate process in exchange for voting Yes on repeal.

The votes are now there to repeal DADT. The bottom line is that Reid can get this done once and for all by early next week -- if he makes the decision to do it.

UPDATE, 4:16 p.m.: Harry Reid just spoke to reporters about the timeline on the DADT vote, and what he said contained good news and bad news.

By Greg Sargent  | December 16, 2010; 12:47 PM ET
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Yes, Greg, yes! Give it to your readers straight. This is all up to Reid - again.

"I hope it could come up Sunday or Monday of next week. And I really believe that, after the tax cuts have been passed, which they have been in the Senate, the spending bills for the government are approved, this is the next most important and urgent thing to do," Lieberman told CNN.'

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/133955-lieberman-complete-dont-ask-before-arms-treaty

We're watching, Harry - don't eff this up.

Posted by: sbj3 | December 16, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

You people just don't get it. They say they will vote yes in exchange for a guarantee, there will be no vote.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

What about the Omnibus? Shouldn't that be done as well? Theoretically it should be done tonight or tomorrow.

Posted by: calchala | December 16, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

O No! If Harry does not do it his way, SBJ is going to stop being such an ardent backer of Harry Reid.

Better not risk that Harry. If you lose the unwavering support of SBJ, you might force him to start backing Sharron Angle.

Remember Harry; SBJ is watching you.

Do all you can to satisfy SBJ, because he might start backing John McCain, like he did in 2008.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Three disastrous pieces of legislation that the lame duck firees will seek to jam down our throats. Everything that is wrong with DC is embodied in this effort.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | December 16, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Harry can easily find out if Brown and Collins are sincere. All he has to do, is introduce the stand alone bill now, and hold a cloture vote. If the vote to move it to debate, where it can pass with a simple majority, then we will know that they meant what they said. If instead, they vote once again to block cloture, as they did the last time, then we know that they are just playing mind games, and have no intention of helping pass repeal of DADT.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

calchala -- yes. the idea is to do DADT repeal this weekend, right after funding the govt is resolved

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 16, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The path is clear and simple: Drop START until next session. Dump the omnibus in favor of McConnell's CR. Vote on DADT. Go home. Obama needs to give Reid the green light to delay START. The omnibus will not pass.

Posted by: sbj3 | December 16, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

SBJ wants to start a new Nuclear Arms Race, because he knows that there will be less Democrats in the US Senate, in the next session, and there are not enough of his beloved Republicans willing to make up the difference to ratify START in the next session.

He also knows that the same applies to repeal of DADT, and that is why he is demanding that the Democrats do it now.

SBJ wants to continue to oppose the election of Democrats, while insisting that they be the ones who emancipate him, because he knows that the Republicans he backs, such as John McCain and Sharron Angle want to continue to treat him as a sub-human.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Harry can easily find out if Brown and Collins are sincere."

Do you really think he doesn't already know?

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

@liam: Dude - you're starting to creep me out a little bit...

To add to above. Senate and House both need to pass the new bipartisan defense Authorization:

http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/defense-homeland-security/133927-armed-services-leaders-agree-to-compromise-2011-defense-authorization-bill

Posted by: sbj3 | December 16, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Drop START until the next session? that's ridiculous. The senate just needs to stay in session until they get ALL of this done.

No time off until they finish their work. Harry should announce they'll be in session on Christmas day if they don't get their collective *sses in gear and quit fooling around with stupid delaying tactics. The senate GOP caucus hasn't done any work all year - they don't DESERVE a holiday.

Posted by: lcrider1 | December 16, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse


Shrink,

He knows, but he might have to expose them once more, just so that idiots like SBJ can not keep on claiming that it is Harry that is preventing his emancipation.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

@icrider: START has been lounging around for months now. It's not even clear that there are 67 votes to pass it. I do not want to give Reid any excuses for failing to repeal DADT - we can do it now! Greg put it plainly: "START could be resolved early next year. DADT repeal, meanwhile, can't be resolved next year."

Posted by: sbj3 | December 16, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What aides are you talking about? Senate aides or some other aides?

Is it the White House who is saying that Reid must finish START before DADT or is just Reid's excuse?

Posted by: maritza1 | December 16, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

How do all you nitwit broads who vote with your hormones feel now. YOu put in the Half-Breed and you licked the " Golden Boy " in Massachusetts . They should repeal the 19th Amendment and quickly . Women should never have been allowed to vote, much less hold office . Take a look at Botox Nancy, Rottencrotch Clinton, Somuchmanure, Napolitano, Janet Reno , Barbara Boxer, and the ever lovable Maxine Waters . Come to think of it, that gang don't belong in the home either. How about a fast melting Ice Floe up in the Yukon. Harry Reid would fit right in. One look at that Prune Face of his, and listening to it talk, proves he's no man. What a Puke. And he's behind most of the earmarks and plenty of cottuption in Washington. I hope all you nitwits in Nevada and San Francisco are happy . You're as scummy as the two you voted into office and you probably put in the half-breed as well.

Posted by: puck-101 | December 16, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

More anti-First Amendment intolerance from the democrats

http://nhjournal.com/2010/12/16/nh-democratic-party-accused-of-‘religious-intolerance’/

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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 16, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"The senate GOP caucus hasn't done any work all year..."

I had to pay my way through college *and* medical school. In addition to doing things like selling my plasma and chopping onions all night at a restaurant, I posed for art classes.

I am here to tell you posing in unnatural postures is hard work. It is as painful as it is boring. You've got to give the GOP a little credit.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"...will seek to jam down our throats. "

Interesting choice of phrase when you're speaking about DADT. There wouldn't be any "jamming down our throats", if your cult members in the GOP would find their inner DeMint.

Posted by: filmnoia | December 16, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

sbj,

Take your whining elsewhere. Those people who have worked on behalf of DADT are the ones you oppose and would never support. We've got your number. It's all about you. NOT.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 16, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Scott Brown posed nude for Cosmo.

These days, he is only willing to perform a fan dance in the US Senate.

Which reminds me of Letterman's quip last night.

He mentioned about the US Postman in Wisconsin who delivered mail while naked.

Dave said: We have all heard of junk mail, but this is ridiculous!

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

@sue: Are you another one of those hypocrites who will make excuses for Reid if he fails to schedule a vote per Greg's scenario?

Posted by: sbj3 | December 16, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

test

Posted by: fiona5 | December 16, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Sure, some "moderate" Republicans are saying they are for repeal now, but when it comes time to vote I bet they'll find a rationalization for voting nay.

Been there, done that. Those of you who take Republicans at their words haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: HansSolo | December 16, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

SBJ,

Your man, John McCain, sides with General Amos. Why don't you explain your own hypocrisy?

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

sbj, if Reid bring this to vote and is passes with overwhelmingly Democratic support, will you be the first to thank Reid and the Dems?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 16, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Been there, done that. Those of you who take Republicans at their words haven't been paying attention.

Posted by: HansSolo | December 16, 2010 1:42 PM
.................

Yes but this time Lucy promises to not pull the football away, at the last minute, and this time she sounds really really sincere about it. SBJ can read her mind.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

@mike: "sbj, if Reid bring this to vote and is passes with overwhelmingly Democratic support, will you be the first to thank Reid and the Dems?"

Yes.

Benen: "At this point, it appears the only thing standing between the repeal effort and success is the leadership finding time to bring this to the floor...
If this effort falls short because of a crowded calendar next week, and senators' desire not to work the week between Christmas and New Year's, the response will not be kind."

C'mon folks. Don't let Reid off the hook just because you hate me. There's a clear path to repealing DADT.

Posted by: sbj3 | December 16, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

It will be a great ending to the year if DADT is repealed -- a victory for fairness and equal rights. Someone who is willing to give his or her life for their country should be treated the same as everyone else.

The overwhelming majority of our military leaders want this -- and they deserve to have it.

Funny how the rightwingers 'support the troops' -- except that's just an empty slogan to them, a magnet to stick on their pickup trucks.

Posted by: fiona5 | December 16, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Reid is ruining this country...he should have gotten beat... two years from now when the upset public votes, he will lose his power...America is tired of his type tax and spend actions...greasy pork deals and paybacks for political favors.

Posted by: tonyjm | December 16, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

sbj,

I'm a hypocrite? LMAO!

Jeezus.

I fight for what I believe you.

You, OTOH,

You support Sharron Angle who thinks you are sick and a sinner.

The Log Cabin Republicans actively supported the defeat of Patrick Murphy in the House. He's the guy who sponsored the DADT repeal, and gathered the votes both times it passed. You should write him a thank you note. So should the LCR.

You wouldn't know a hypocrite if one bit you. Look in the mirror, friend. There's your hypocrite.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 16, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

@mike: "sbj, if Reid bring this to vote and is passes with overwhelmingly Democratic support, will you be the first to thank Reid and the Dems?"

Yes.
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HYPOCRITE! You support Sharron Angle. Did you think we forgot?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 16, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Before it slips my mind:

The Chicago Tribune has been doing some great work investigation child abductions.

Here is a link to one of their reports.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/childabduct/

It turns out that very few those pedophiles who attempt to abuct children ever get caught, and those who do get caught, get released after very short sentences.

They interviewed one guy, who was driving around trying to pick up young girls on their way home from school. He lived right in the neighorhood, so police finally spotted his car, cruising around a local school. It turns out that the guy had a prior record, of having enticed a five year old girl into a tool shed, where he worked.

The reason why I mention all this is because it occurred to me:

Why not pass a law or laws that take away driving privileges for life, from convicted pedophiles. Since many of them are driving around, looking for targets of opportunity, why not take away their mobility?

If you think this is a suggestion worth pursuing, please contact all your local, and national representatives, and start pushing for such laws to be enacted.

It is ridiculous to allow repeat offenders to have drivers licenses, or cars.

I watched a clip on WGN TV last night, and the interview of the pedophile would make your flesh crawl. It was clear to me this guy will never stop, so we should at least take away his wheels, and driving privileges.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this is a weird thread.

My question is, why does anybody think that START can be "resolved" (ratified?) in a much less Democratic Senate next year? I am absolutely for repealing DADT, but I would agree with Obama that all in all, ratifying START is a much more important thing to get done.

Posted by: billy_burdett | December 16, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

the START treaty was ready for Senate action last Spring. Obviously Obama and Reid didn't believe that there was any rush to getting it done. Why is it so important now?

Does anyone in Washington know the difference between true and false?

Posted by: Hazmat77 | December 16, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

There is plenty of time now to pass both START, and the repeal of DADT, if Republicans would stop blocking them.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

skippy: "Three disastrous pieces of legislation that the lame duck firees will seek to jam down our throats."

Oh, skippy! I thought you objected to sexual innuendos... LOL

Posted by: suekzoo1 | December 16, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"I am absolutely for repealing DADT, but I would agree with Obama that all in all, ratifying START is a much more important thing to get done."

Absolute agreemnet here. If they can get the votes done on START and DADT before the first of the year that would be a major feather in Obama's cap. START concerns all of us, whereas DADT is more of a parochial issue for the 1-2% of the populace who are gay.

Posted by: filmnoia | December 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Re: John McCain.

Even his wife and daughter oppose his stand against repealing DADT.

Who knew that Maverick is a synonym for Homophobe?!

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Reid could make even more time by stripping the crap out of the interim gov funding bill.

Posted by: illogicbuster | December 16, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

From TPM.

House Progressives Stall Obama Tax Cut Deal.

"Lacking the votes to overcome a key procedural hurdle facing the tax cut bill, Dems have pulled the Rule laying the groundwork for debate off the House floor.

The move was a result of the defection of a number of House progressives who were upset with the terms of the debate, and with the tax cut bill itself.

Because it's a procedural vote that reflects virtually no input from the minority, Republicans opposed the rule, meaning Democrats had to put together a majority among their own members, a majority of whom appose the underlying legislation, and want more opportunities to amend it.

A Dem leadership aide tells me this is likely a temporary setback.

"We are still whipping the rule to ensure that it passes," the aide says. "Liberals are not happy with the tax bill in general. The rule is typically where a lot of members will lodge their protest."

"We always knew that the rule vote would be tough ... we just need more time," the aide added.

If Dems can't be corralled, leaders will have to come to terms with rank and file members on a new rule that wins majority support.

Late Update: Speaker Pelosi is now conferring with her caucus on language for a new rule that could pass. Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY) tells us that she expects this dispute to be resolved and the vote on the tax cut plan to still be held today, although it may be tonight rather than this afternoon, as originally scheduled. The situation, however, remains fluid."

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

sbj

I join you in hoping and urging Reid to figure out a way to bring a vote to the floor. I don't always like your politics and the Angle thing seemed sort of strange to me, but here's hoping Reid, Senate Dems and a few moderate Republicans can get it done. I sure don't pretend to understand the shenanigans Reid or the Senate in general pull, but here's hoping they all do the right thing on this. I have to say that Lieberman has really surprised me, it seems to be an issue he cares about and is willing to work for, unless it's all just political strategy for 2012 which is more than a little likely, LOL.

Posted by: lmsinca | December 16, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Liam, this is slightly OT, but thought you'd get a chuckle, I did, @politicalwire:

"I'm saying to the tea partiers this morning, 'Grab your pitchforks. Let's stand up against this. It can be stopped.'"

-- Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), in an interview on Fox News, crusading against earmarks included in the Senate spending bill.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 16, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

All, House Dems are prolonging their last stand on the tax deal:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/house_democrats_prolong_their.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 16, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

It is time for Barack Obama to STOP STABBING THE GAY COMMUNITY IN THE BACK.

Posted by: uh_huhh | December 16, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Liam, this is slightly OT, but thought you'd get a chuckle, I did, @politicalwire:

"I'm saying to the tea partiers this morning, 'Grab your pitchforks. Let's stand up against this. It can be stopped.'"

-- Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), in an interview on Fox News, crusading against earmarks included in the Senate spending bill.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | December 16, 2010 2:26 PM

....................

As you may be aware, I have long held the view, that McCain might run again for President. All his moves, in the past two years, kissing up to the far right activists, leave me still thinking that the crazy old coot still wants to scratch the Presidential itch. Why else would he have campaigned for that hate mongering loon, Sharron Angle.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

How many republicans will vote to repeal DADT? And then there's this:

Republicans will paralyze the Senate floor for 50 hours by forcing clerks to read every single paragraph of the 1,924-page, $1.1 trillion omnibus spending bill.

Senate clerks are expected to read the massive bill in rotating shifts around the clock -- taking breaks to drink water and pop throat lozenges -- to keep legislative business on track, according to a Democratic leadership aide.

The bill is so long that it took the Government Printing Office two days to print it.

The Senate is currently debating the New START nuclear arms reduction treaty. It is expected to take up the omnibus spending bill on a separate and parallel track later Thursday.

If Republicans follow through on their threat, legislative business couldn't resume until late Saturday in order to give the staff enough time to read the bill aloud, according to a Democratic leadership estimate.

This is, of course, DeMint's little tantrum. Once the reading is complete, the right-wing senator will vote against the omnibus anyway, and while claiming it's "sacrilege" to ask public officials to do the people's business in December.

And if the gambit pays off, and the omnibus fails, it's likely Republicans will shut down the government over the weekend.

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) appears to be sick of the GOP whining. "The irony, the hypocrisy of us sitting here with them standing up and saying 'Oh my Gosh, it's the last minute,' " he said. "It's the last minute because they haven't let us do anything. The game plan is usually to keep preventing things from happening."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_12/027123.php

It's all Reid's fault, huh sbj? Note, even after all of this BS, the GOP is planning on shutting down the government ... at Christmas time, you know, the holiest or second or third or ... something like that time of the year.

It's a sacrilege!

Posted by: pragmaticagain | December 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Seeing as how the Repugs have p*ssed on the congressional agenda the last two years with their abuse of the filibuster, Reid should make them stay until this congress officially adjourns.

Give the Repugs ONE DAY OFF FOR X-MAS....just like most of the poor people whom they screw over get.

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Posted by: DrainYou | December 16, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DrainYou: "Seeing as how the Repugs have p*ssed on the congressional agenda the last two years with their abuse of the filibuster,"

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You MUST be a far left libtoon as you don't know that the Repubs couldn't filibuster ~ the 1st year. The Dems didn't get these SIMPLE tasks done because of indifference and incompetence. Hmmm, you vote for Dems... Hmm....


Posted by: illogicbuster | December 16, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: uh_huhh

It is time for Barack Obama to STOP STABBING THE GAY COMMUNITY IN THE BACK."

lol

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 16, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Please, let's speed this up. We've got to get as many homosexuals in the military as fast as possible. Or, as an alternative, if the silly Marines continue to not cooperate with our agenda, we could insist on constituting Obama's Civilian National Security Force entirely from the homosexual community and get it up and rolling just in time for the 2012 elections.

Posted by: chatard | December 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

U.S. Senate
Democrats' Senate Supermajority Not as Strong as Advertised

Published July 01, 2009
| FOXNews.com

Like an oasis in the desert, the 60-vote Democratic supermajority is a mirage.

Yes, former comedian Al Franken is now Minnesota's senator-elect -- thanks to the state Supreme Court's ruling Tuesday -- giving Democrats enough members in the Senate to hit a filibuster-proof majority. This is no laughing matter.

But that's on a really, really good day. For all intents and purposes, Democrats don't truly have 60 votes in the Senate.

With the addition of Franken, they technically have 58. Sens. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., caucus with Democrats but don't define themselves that way.

Sanders, a socialist, is arguably the most liberal member of the Senate, so he's more than willing to buck the Democratic leadership when he doesn't feel the liberal wing gets a fair shake. Lieberman, by contrast, is a moderate who's plenty willing to challenge the Democratic leadership when he believes it veers too far to the left.

But the Democrats aren't even at 58 votes on most days.

Two of the most revered members of the chamber suffer from poor health. Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., has rarely visited the Senate for more than a year because of a struggle with brain cancer. Sen. Robert Byrd, 91, of West Virginia who has been slowing down in the past few years, recently suffered a staph infection and spent several weeks in the hospital before his release Tuesday. Depending on the day, the Democratic "supermajority" could be as scant as 56.

And then there are the moderate-to-conservative lawmakers who populate the Senate Democratic Caucus: Sens. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark.; Mark Pryor, D-Ark.; Ben Nelson D-Neb.; Bill Nelson, D-Fla.; Jon Tester, D-Mont.; and Arlen Specter, D-Pa.

This crowd is known to oppose the Democratic leadership on critical issues and often requires special courting. With them, the big Democratic majority could work against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., since it gives these moderates the perceived opening to bolt the party on key votes and freelance -- or act as holdouts that Democratic leaders must woo.

In a worst-case scenario, the independence of the moderates whittles the Democratic supermajority all the way down to a very ordinary 50 votes -- or fewer.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/01/democrats-senate-supermajority-strong-advertised/

Posted by: pragmaticagain | December 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Send a check to the Democratic Party of Massachusetts and Maine tonight. Democrats and Independents aren't going to forget that it was so-called "moderate" Republican Senators Brown, Snowe and Collins who stopped this civil rights bill last week. God knows it won't pass next Congress with Republicans ascendant.

Posted by: paul65 | December 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The boldness of Mr. Sargeant's timeline would not be difficult for Senator Reid to follow.

Failure to Repeal DADT now would result in the Federal Court establishing for the record that the Congressionally approved DADT (which has been used as an excuse for 17,000 discharges) is unconstitutional. Now that is one BIG BLACKEYE for Congress which is mostly comprised of lawyers.

The Pentagon would also wear the same BIG BLACKEYE of disgrace for not having the U.S. Senators repeal DADT. The military history books would be required to post that the Highest Court in the land decided that the Pentagon has conducted a miscarriage of justice for over 17 years.

Senator Reid's delay will allow these injustices of 17 years to become history in the law books for all time. And this legal ruling will allow further legal condemnations of the military in additional legal cases which Senator Reid hasn't even begun to conceive of.

The failure of the U.S. Senate to repeal DADT in Dec. 2010 will become a national disgrace well documented the the law books of every State in the land.

Adam of CA.

Posted by: AdamYoung2 | December 16, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

If ratifying a treaty that is suported by the majority of Americans, many Republicans and former Secretaries of State etc is "shoving them down our throats" I'm not sure what sort of actions Congress is allowed to pass. The same goes for DADT. America has changed it's mind over the las 17 years on DADT, but Republicans where there 2 decade old stance like a badge of honor.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | December 16, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

oye...but Republicans wear their 2 decade old stance like a badge of honor.


I need to start reading my posts before I hit submit.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | December 16, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

What is the Senate working on today Greg? Hmm? Is it repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell? No.

It is the START treaty. A treaty that will take several days of deliberation.

And have Dims in the House passed the Senate tax-cut bill verbatim, as Harry Reid pledged in his deal with Republican? No.

Instead the Dims are amending the tax cut bill which forces it back to the Senate for yet more re-work.

Does Harry Reid have the votes to repeal DADT? No.

Is DADT repeal even on the Senate calendar? No.

Is there a continuing resolution to fund government in the Senate yet? No.

Can Harry Reid even force a quorum to appear in the Senate? No.


Posted by: screwjob23 | December 16, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The repeal would be a big, big, big Christman present to all those who are not alike.

Posted by: rolandberger | December 16, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"I need to start reading my posts before I hit submit."

No you don't. That is a bad habit. Anyone who can't read past typos should get back to work. Anyone who spends too much time looking over their little creation for imperfections...should get back to work. The wing nuts say American productivity is the only thing that will save us from the "free" market.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I am almost certain that the Senate will not pass this repeal of DADT this year. Trying to rush this through without a thorough debate is as totally irresponsible as it is unnecessary. May cooler heads prevail on this; may the selfish partisan political efforts of the liberal left be thwarted in their attempts to tinker with the military as if it were just another societal entity.

The new Commandant of the Marine Corps has recognized that this repeal of DADT will have deleterious effects on the combat troops and he has said so. Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen, in contrast to the courage of the Marine Commandant, lack the spine to stick up for our military and, instead, have gone treasonously over to the side of the liberal left and the activist gays. They have effectively surrendered the trust given to them to protect the military from partisan politics. There is no room for politics affecting the military and especially so in time of war.

I can remember no president--ever--who has used the US military as pawns to assuage his political supporters. I detest Obama for that.

Now, at a time when our military is as heavily engaged as it has been for more than forty years, at a time when individual troops are ordered to repeated deployments to the war zones, now in a time of military uncertainty and maximum commitment, is the wrong time for our politicians to advocate for a social engineering experiment by endorsing an end to the current don't ask, don't tell policy.

An overwhelming preponderance of those in Congress have served a single day in our country's military. For them now to pander to a vocal minority seeking a liberal interpretation of society's rules is disturbing and quite revealing as to the total lack of any consideration of the residual effects of their actions.

To politicize our military in a time of war is as incredibly contemptible as it is indisputably ignorant of the military as an institution, a separate and distinct body tasked with the most crucial tasks of defending our nation in a time of war.

And, if DADT passes, another travesty will have been done. Imagine, with all that is going on in the world, Congressional uberliberals are pushing to pass a damaging change to our current policy concerning gays in the military . Imagine, with all that is going on in the world, Congressional uberliberals are pushing to pass a damaging change to our current policy concerning gays in the military contrary to what the military leaders want. No, not the lily-livered, politically motivated Sec Def nor the courageless Admiral; I mean the REAL military leaders like General Amos, Commandant of the Marine Corps, who has had the courage to state upfront the harm that may occur if this outrageous action is approved.

To our politicians I say: Tinker with the civilian world if you must; do not
impose your liberal agenda on America's military for the purpose of vote
gathering.

Posted by: denniscopson | December 16, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@prag: "It's all Reid's fault, huh sbj? Note, even after all of this BS, the GOP is planning on shutting down the government."

Well, in reality-land most of us recognize that the omnibus is a piece of carp that no one has even read. It's full of crazy earmarks and waste, it funds Obamacare which we want repealed, and so on. In reality-land, McConnell has already introduced a CR bill which will fund the government without a shutdown should the Dems agree to vote for it.

So I think you've got this just about as wrong as one could get it.

Pass the tax bill (Dems stalling), pass the CR (and drop the omnibus), vote on DADT repeal, pass the bipartisan defense authorization. Forget START until next year.

Posted by: sbj3 | December 16, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm in no hurry to see men act like women.


Posted by: lindalovejones | December 16, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hurray up Harry our military needs cross- dressing drill sergeants...ASAP

Posted by: twharvey1 | December 16, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

If you consult medical and menta health professionals, you will find that "Homosexuality" is NOT a mental disorder!!! ~ However, "Homophobia" actually IS!!! ~ For a LONG time, it has been "Military Policy", to discharge personell, who are stricken with mental disorders!!! ~ Why is there any question about this??? ~ Discharge the "Homophobes", and be done with the problem!!! ~ Perhaps, we should apply this policy to Congress, as well!!!!

Posted by: ArbuckleDoc | December 16, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Hurray up Harry our military needs cross- dressing drill sergeants...ASAP"

Hurry up, hop in you Delorean, and travel back in time to 1993 when people agreed with you.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | December 16, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Both the START treaty and DADT are important and should be taken up immediately without hesistation. they both deal with our national security and they both just as important. discrimination is something this country especially federally should had ended years ago and if we don't then we are being hyocrits and allowing people to continued discriminating a certain group who should be able to serve our country without being told that if they tell that they gay or someone report them, then they are not allowed to serve.this is wrong and everyone no matter if you gay or not should be treated equally and not discriminated against. i hope that Reid do the right thing and get DADT passed soon so this country can stop discrimating and allowed gays to serve in our military and also passed START to protect this country from country that want to used nuclear weapons to harmed us.

Posted by: mtt_brbr | December 16, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the Pope a cross dresser? I may be wrong, but those sure look like old fashioned evening gowns, that he and all his clergy parade in.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"...most of us recognize that the omnibus is a piece of carp..."

(AP) — The Obama administration says it will step up efforts to prevent carp from invading the Great Lakes, even though closing Chicago-area shipping locks is off the table.

See? Obama does get it. For awhile I was worried about him losing focus. But is carp good enough for Chicago? This is an opportunity for investigative journalism.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It's Crap legislation, Who wants to give permission for homosexuals to enjoy the showers more than heterosexauls, come to think of it this is giving homosexauls the right to be peeping Tom, Toms. All the way around the shower and bunks it's a piece of crap legislation.

Posted by: boski66 | December 16, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Listen i am all for them repealing DADT but wouldn't the little time the Democrats have left have been more constructively used trying to solve the jobs problem.


Not going to do the gays or lesbians much good if they are both living under a bridge due to unemployment.


Just saying!

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | December 16, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

What's to decide? Why can't they do DADT and Start?
Start may in fact have a higher priority on the Whitehouse Agenda but to my mind DADT has the higher moral priority. This has been effed around with long enough. It makes perfect sense for Reid to deal with this first and put START second....I think Obama owes that much to Americans more specifically the gay/lesbian communities, their families and friends...not to mention the impact of those in the Military, those who have left and those who still wish to join. Let's stop screwing around with the lives of these people and do what's right. It won't have a chance once MCCain and his ilk have a majority.

Posted by: bluegardenia | December 16, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse


Greg is mistaken about the conditional show of support that Scott Brown and Olympia Snowe made. Whether this is due to pure ignorance, or just leftist wishful thinking on Sargent's part is left as an exercise for the reader.

ALL 42 REPUBLICAN SENATORS have signed a letter stating they will let no bill advance in the Senate until there is both a tax cut and a government budget. Quote:

"We write to inform you that we will not agree to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to any legislative item until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers,"

And until the Senate votes on a joint House-Senate tax cut bill, there will be no DADT nor anything else.


Posted by: screwjob23 | December 16, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a cr*p if they have to work 24 hours / day, 7 days / week, through Xmas, Kwanza, New Years, without food or water until the last minute before the new congress starts!!! These bums need to prove they're not completely useless, quit sitting around with their thumbs up their *sses, and find time to repeal DADT, pass START, and deal with the budget.

I have no sympathy for the crying Republicans and their false tears whining about not getting to go home. "Look at me, I'm a Republican, I'm crying while denying people health care and unemployment benefits! Boo hoo hoo!!!"

In fact, why are these people even earning a salary? It should be a privilege to serve in Congress. When they are in DC they should be herded up and put into barracks, fed institutional food and not allowed to leave the Capital grounds.

Posted by: johnhunsaker4 | December 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I will bet you $1000.00 to a hole in a donut that Harry Reid caves and finds some reason that this can't be done. He's lost his backbone on a number of times and this will be now different.

Posted by: Leo10 | December 16, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

denniscopson: "The new Commandant of the Marine Corps has recognized that this repeal of DADT will have deleterious effects on the combat troops and he has said so. Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen, in contrast to the courage of the Marine Commandant, lack the spine to stick up for our military and, instead, have gone treasonously over to the side of the liberal left and the activist gays."


Check out last night's Rachel Maddow's 5 minute interview of openly gay Marine Staff Sgt., Eric Alva, who lost his leg on the first day of the Iraq War.

Sgt. Alva talks to Rachel about the lie-- the despicable, shameful lie-- expressed by the leader of the United States Marines, Gen. James Amos, that DADT should not be repealed because being openly gay would be a distraction that will cost lives and limbs.

Gen. Amos stated, "Mistakes and inattention or distractions cost lives. ... I don't want to have any Marines that I'm visiting at Bethesda with no legs be the result of any type of distraction."

With these witless comments in attempting to justify his homophobia out of concern for our dead and wounded, Gen. Amos, as Sgt. Alva expressed, "took my Purple Heart and threw it in my face."

So Sgt. Alva lost his leg because he is gay? Gen. Amos, what other body parts should Sgt. Alva have sacrificed before you will admit that this gay man is as much of a man and as much of a Marine as you?

Semper Fi, unless you're gay. Gen. Amos, your conduct is unbecoming of an officer and unbecoming of a human being. Our commander-in-chief should remove you from duty.

We only need a few Republicans of some integrity to stand with Democrats to stop McCain from filibustering the repeal of DADT. Will it happen before Christmas or New Year’s-- or by the courts? Whenever, it will be a wonderful day to celebrate for all Americans who believe in justice.

Posted by: tttvance | December 16, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans make me laugh when they start crying about taking up this bill so late in the year, afterall you have had all year. Give me a break. After watching them delay, obstruct, and delay some more, they are now saying "Let us go home for x-mas". I just heard Coryn from Texas say "We have worked 151 days this year". Wow, and he wants full pay for that? I hope Harry Reid keeps them until January 4.

Posted by: pgmichigan | December 16, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"I don't give a crp if they have to work 24 hours / day, 7 days / week, through Xmas, Kwanza, New Years..."

Don't discriminate against Festivus !

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-oc-prisoner-festivus,0,6642553.story

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The START and DADT bills both need to be voted on immediately; surely, this is not too much to ask of our senators. Neither are being shoved down their throats - these have been discussed forever...

Posted by: jujones1 | December 16, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The START and DADT bills both need to be voted on immediately; surely, this is not too much to ask of our senators. Neither are being shoved down their throats - these have been discussed forever...

Posted by: jujones1 | December 16, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing Reid can do this hoiday season is go screw himself. We gave both he and Pelosi all the tools they needed to make changes in this frackin' country, and all they did was play stupid politics and squander it away, in direct contradiction to the People's clear mandate. To Hell with Reid and to Hell with Pelosi too. They can join the Canter, Boner, Mitchell and the other cretins in the the firely flames. Merry Christmas indeed, jerkwads.

Posted by: Byrd3 | December 16, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Why is congress even talking about DADT when unemployment is at 9.8% AND RISING!! Who cares whether gays can serve open in the miltary when families are going homeless because they cant find a job. What happened to jobs being Obama's top priority! JESUS, talk about an administration getting distracted by the shiny new object! My 4-year old has a longer attention span!

How about we forget about DADT, Gitmo, Healthcare and how much we are taxing the rich until we have unemployment down to 6%! What do you say liberals? Or are these needless policies more important? Got to fix the foundation of the broken house before you put in new windows! Stupid liberals!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | December 16, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

If Reid screws this up, I will likely not bother to vote again.

Posted by: daweeni | December 16, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Look at the front page news item on WaPo. An actual news item, not Greg's little opinionated leftist blog. Quote:

"Liberal concerns delay House vote on tax-cut deal

A liberal uprising over House procedures on Thursday was delaying a final vote on a far-reaching tax compromise brokered by the White House and Republican leaders."

That right Dims ... House leftists are delaying the tax cut package that was already agreed to an passed by the Senate by a four to one margin.

Stall away Dims, that is called "run down the shot clock" because the tax cut bill has to be completed first, next a budget bill to fund government; then and only then can any other business be taken up by the Senate.

The lame duck session ends tomorrow unless both Reid and GOP agree to extend it.

If Harry Reid would have been serious about this he would have repealed DADT when he had 60 Democrat votes, back in January before Scott Brown was even elected.


Posted by: screwjob23 | December 16, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Reid to fast-track DADT repeal in this fashion." Isn't this some sort of 'poetic justice'? Reid rams the bill through (as he rammed socialized medicine up our backsides) and then our fighting men and women for generations to come worry about their backsides in the showers, etc. Again, sort of poetic justice. Thank you, Harry.

Posted by: IQ168 | December 16, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"If Harry Reid would have been serious about this he would have repealed DADT when he had 60 Democrat votes, back in January before Scott Brown was even elected."

True! Another example of Obama's leadership.

As a member of the hard, professorial (or was it professional), extreme, worker hugging, elitist, you name it Left!, I agree with the right wing nut screwjob. Isn't finding a middle ground and working out to the extremes going great for Obama?

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

OMG just pass it already.

Your country is the laughing stock of the civilised world. Are you proud of standing firm with Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Fiji, Cuba, Pakistan, Iran etc who ban gays from serving openly?

And don't give me that "it needs to be carefully studied and assessed" cr-p, or that "if you haven't served you wouldn't know". What, your marines are soooo special and soooo sensitive they can't cope with serving with openly gay comrades, like soldiers from Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Israel, Japan, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, and the UK have for years?

Give me a break.

Posted by: secondsoprano | December 16, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"...our fighting men and women for generations to come worry about their backsides..."

Poor tormented homophobes, the stuff of nightmares. Someone should produce a Reefer Madness on the consequences of DADT repeal. My but gets sore just thinking about taking a shower with a lesbian.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

There's only one reason Harry Reid is delaying.
He doesn't really have the 60 votes.
Dems are saying one thing to the gay activists, but really they're looking for a way out.
Dems don't want to be on record of having the last thing they did be repealing don't ask don't tell, while they failed to address the country's economic problems. That hurt Dems on healthcare. They got the priorities wrong and Repulbilcans killed them because of that. It's the economy stupid wins the day. Dems don't want to make the same priorities mistake.

Also, Dems may publicly say they don't care what the combat troops think, but Dems are petrified real military problems will result from repeal. No one wants to be blamed for dead soldiers and the marines told Dems in plain words Dems will be blamed.

Dems will say publicly they want to repeal, but they'll let the clock run out, because it's in their political interest to do it.
It's that simple.

Posted by: jfv123 | December 16, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"Your country is the laughing stock of the civilised world."

Really? Oh thank you. I was worried you people were afraid of us, what with our phony war "missions" and all that drone killing in places where there is no phony war and stuff like that. We are funny? Good.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Harry is to busy defending all of the pork in the Omnibus Spending bill to worry about DADT.

Posted by: g30rg3544 | December 16, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

It looks like all of the heterophobes are still pushing their sick agenda. Normal people think you are sick and need and will get treatment, permanent treatment.

Posted by: numbersch13 | December 16, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Homophobes are cowards. Real men, are not scared to work alongside gay people.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 16, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

OK- I WILL NOT POST ALL OF MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE DESTRUCTIVE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE!

I WANT TO SEE COMMENTS FROM THOSE WHO THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE ANGRY AT BUSH-WANTED A NEW LEADER AND SUPPOSEDLY EXCELLENT ORATOR, AND FELT GUILTY- SO VOTED FOR OUR FIRST NEGRO
(at least half)pRESIDENT (no capital"p").
COMMON- ADMIT THAT YOU MADE THE MISTAKE OF VOTING FOR THIS JERK,EMPTY SUIT, INEXPERIENCED, SOCCIALIST!!!!

Posted by: lyn3 | December 16, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Sadly The WEsae4l Reid is one Sick wet dream.... He'll Fluck up eevn one of those!

Posted by: redhawk2 | December 16, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Real men, are not scared to work alongside gay people."

Obviously, but to tell the truth, working alongside lesbians scares me, especially if they are hot.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

@shrink2 "We are funny? Good"

It's not so much funny as, "if you don't laugh, you'd cry".

I am lucky enough to live in a country where I have the luxury not to risk getting US miliatry "assistance" whether I need it or not.

The only US invasion of recent years has been Oprah.

Posted by: secondsoprano | December 16, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@lyn3. What a sad, bitter, angry person. How long can a person survive living with so much hatred boiling up inside them?

Posted by: secondsoprano | December 16, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@lyn3:

How can President (capital P) be a socialist with the tax deal he and the republicans worked out?
I didn't make a mistake I voted for the best canidate running at the time. McCain/Palin would have been a mistake.

As far as the Negro comment, wow, really is this the 60's. What does his race have to do with anything. I hope you are really old and part of the breed on the edge of extinction.

Posted by: elbuzz1 | December 16, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"...I have the luxury not to risk getting US miliatry "assistance"...."

Oh yeah? Well we say we'll be the judge of that. If we decide you people need our military, they By God you will be assisted by our military! Swallow that, puke! Now drop and give me 20!

Sheesh, sometimes these foreigners don't realize what we have to do to keep them free. Ingrates.

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Why is there such anxiety to force the military into accepting homosexuals? There are all kinds of people not appropriate for military duty: the blind, the lame, the deaf and the otherwise unsuitable. This frantic push to force acceptance of homosexuals seems queer to me.

Posted by: Forward11 | December 16, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"...the blind, the lame, the deaf..."

Oh Lord Jeebus, I just can't stop laughing...

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"If we decide you people need our military, they By God you will be assisted by our military!"

Ha! We have a cunning plan. If any US military approach our border, we simply spread the rumour that everyone in our country is gay. All the US soldiers will then run screaming in the opposite direction.

Elegant in its simplicity, I'm sure you'll agree.

I can't believe the Taliban didn't think of it years ago.

Posted by: secondsoprano | December 16, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

We haven't had "droit de seigneur" in North America since slavery was abolished.

Why would congress grant to gays and lesbians the legal right to view the nakedness of strangers to whom they can become sexually attracted?

Posted by: blasmaic | December 16, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"All the US soldiers will then run screaming..."

Shhhush, who do you think you are Julian Assange?
That is classified eyes only top secret!

Posted by: shrink2 | December 16, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Greg, the problem is this:

They have *always* been supportive of the Repeal of DADT. Will they break Ranks on the Tax Cut deal first that they have held out so long for? I have seen *nothing* in their language to explicitly support that, although it could be true and I will grant that to you. They leave that door open, and are probably checking the polls.

That could actually be the Bad News.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/16/fox-news-poll-majority-approves-tax-cut-agreement/

I'll agree that FOX has a rep in some people's eyes as being slanted Right opposite of CNNs Slant to the Left. How you view it is not as important as how these Republicans View it. They may *not* listen to what their constituents are saying about importance of issues versus what is right to do in the case of low priority but hot button DADT Repeal. We'll have to see, maybe.

If the Tax Cut Bill passes in the House, unmodified, you will have a lot less eating up the clock and I actually would expect McConnell to signal to Reid, put this up and we'll let it pass. Stall the Tax Cut in the House and things go south, I am thinking.

If they do even one test vote, and some other Democrat tired of being beat up over this and Pelosi's Grandstanding is found to be out of the Chamber "at the Dentist" count this killed by your Madame Speaker. And you will have every reason to be upset.

If she stalls, Republicans (even less than the 40 needed for a filibuster) can certainly gum things up seriously. Every Bill up for a Vote, if even one Senator Demands it, can be forced to be read into the Record. There are a *lot* of pages in a lot of these bills. If the call becomes START or DADT, the call seems to favor START, which I could agree with you, is politically stupid. START has just as good a chance in January as now. Repealing DADT, not so much.

I know what you would do. But you are not a politician.

;'{P~~~

Posted by: Clearbrook | December 16, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by secondsoprano: "If we decide you people need our military, they By God you will be assisted by our military!"

Ha! We have a cunning plan. If any US military approach our border, we simply spread the rumour that everyone in our country is gay. All the US soldiers will then run screaming in the opposite direction.

Elegant in its simplicity, I'm sure you'll agree.

I can't believe the Taliban didn't think of it years ago.

-------------------------------------------

Actually, if they are *really* homophobes, that would motivate them to be VERY effective in killing those enemies before the their butts were even *close* to being overrun...

;'{P~~~

Posted by: Clearbrook | December 16, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely pass this that way the Marines will sustain even more causalities to push a social agenda.
If this passes then the military will have to eliminate separate locker rooms showers and sleeping arrangements based on sex. We are all just 1 sex

Posted by: mandinka2 | December 16, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely pass this that way the Marines will sustain even more causalities to push a social agenda.
If this passes then the military will have to eliminate separate locker rooms showers and sleeping arrangements based on sex. We are all just 1 sex

Posted by: mandinka2 | December 16, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

It is startling to see these politicians willing to further compromise our military services and national security discussions by postponing serious debate and focusing on repeal of DADT. It is offensive that pro-repealers equate a lifestyle to civil rights movements. Not-with-standing the legal and logistical ramifications of repeal which are apparently not important to repeal supportors, the social conditions that will result are distasteful as well. The officer and elisted wifes club events; military holiday celebrations with kids and families; military ceremonies will take on on a flavor difficult to accept. The more visible these DADT affected folks, the less support within...but by then its too late!

Posted by: flameforest | December 17, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Gays have been in the military since Wars began. What's the difference whether you know a fellow soldier is gay or not? How does it make ANY difference? Most soldiers ALREADY know who is and who isn't. It's time to come into the 21st Century and SEE the forest as well as the trees. We have gay teachers, gay clergymen, gay neighbors, mailmen, firemen, scoutleaders, etc; ad nauseum. GET OVER IT!

Posted by: billnbillieskid | December 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

DADT was dead when it was passed, but it was so warped by irrationality that politicians and generals avoided it as quickly as they can. If one stop and think for a minute about the policy, it is an open admission by all that the gays were, are and will be accepted to fight and die for Old Glory if they 'don't tell'. The military and all of us enjoyed the services of the gay community openly, but the gay community can only enjoy theirs in the dark. What kind of equality is that? They can die and defend our freedom on the battlefields, and yet they have to live in the closet when they go seek comfort and companionship as everyone else. This is discrimination in capital letters. Do the right thing. If we think that we can deny some people's right to pursue 'happiness', well what can be next?

Posted by: attl | December 17, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

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