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Posted at 12:19 PM ET, 12/ 6/2010

Why the left is angry at Obama

By Greg Sargent

Dem Rep. Anthony Weiner, who has a real talent for crystallizing liberal anger at Obama into pithy phrases, has just released a statement opening fire on all the talk about a pending "deal" on the tax cuts. It gets at a key reason the left is ticked at Obama:

"Governing is more than a series of transactions. This is a competition of ideas on how we make the country better."

"Middle class Americans need someone to fight for them. They see this deal as punting on 3rd down -- it seems the President is not seeing the value of being on offense."

"Democrats should welcome the chance to tell the American people what we will fight for. We should be standing up for the middle class and extending unemployment insurance for out-of-work Americans. If Republicans want to add to our deficit and defend the interests of billionaires, make them stand up in Congress and tell that to the public loud and clear."

"Deals come after we fight for ideals -- let's do that first."

This is an easy shot for Weiner to take, and it's worth recalling that House Dems punted on their own chance to put the GOP on the spot with a vote on the middle class tax cuts before the election. Still, Weiner is getting at a key point.

Much of the debate about the left and Obama tends to focus on Obama's ideological tendencies -- on the question of whether he's too quick to trade away core liberal priorities because he's at bottom not ideologically in sync with progressives. But one of the key things that angers liberals has nothing to do with ideology. Rather, it's all about Obama's approach to negotiating. The argument is that Obama is too quick to signal that compromise, even at great cost, is his paramount goal. This weakens Dems in negotiations with Republicans and emboldens them to hold out for more than they otherwise might be able to secure.

In other words, the case against Obama is not just about ideology. It's also that his approach is not as hard-headed and pragmatic as it could be. In fairness, if Obama wraps up a deal on the tax cuts quickly, and as a result is able to secure the time necessary to get DADT repealed before the end of the year, you could then argue that his approach turned out to be pretty pragmatic, after all. But that hasn't happened yet.

What Weiner is saying is that there's no practical reason to signal a willingness to deal until you've put up a fight and forced the other side to defend itself. The left's gripe with Obama is as much about the President's sense of what's pragmatic as it is about ideology.

By Greg Sargent  | December 6, 2010; 12:19 PM ET
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Comments

What 'chew talkin' about Willis? The first-ever parser-from-purgatory IS the left, and if he is angry with himself, aren't we in grave danger from a President and Administration operating under the influence of rage?

Posted by: SpendNomore | December 6, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Global Temperatures have stabilized over the past 15 years - even though record amounts of CO2 have been pumped into the atmosphere.

So, clearly, the linkage between temperatures and CO2 is not there.

The climate models have been proved to be wrong - there is no other way to put it.


From the Daily Mail:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1335798/Global-warming-halted-Thats-happened-warmest-year-record.html

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 6, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Let's fight before we deal!

And wingers who post here, I'm cool with you positing your opinions, but can you at least stay on topic? You all seem to be a scattershot of various propaganda...

Posted by: Alex3 | December 6, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Let's fight before we deal!

And wingers who post here, I'm cool with you positing your opinions, but can you at least stay on topic? You all seem to be a scattershot of various propaganda...

Posted by: Alex3 | December 6, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: It seems as if you and Weiner want the WH to play more political games - a la Schumer's tax proposal - that ultimately prove pointless. Obama and everyone else knew all along that the GOP held the cards. You are asking him to play the types of games he came into office saying he wouldn't play. How could he have "negotiated" this differently when he had nothing to negotiate with (and knew it). You seem to be complaining that he isn't playing the same old cynical politics. He had no cards to play here.

Posted by: sbj3 | December 6, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I think that is right, Greg. I'd even take it a step further and say that for Obama, approach is ideology. He thinks his mandate was as much (or more) about changing process as it was about changing results. That's is major misunderstanding of the electorate.

Posted by: matt_ahrens | December 6, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

People are barking up the wrong tree.

Why isn't anyone asking why Reid didn't pass the under 250k tax cut extension via reconciliation?

It could have been a done deal now.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 6, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Governing is more than a series of transactions. This is a competition of ideas on how we make the country better."

I think this statement is important and gets to something even more fundamental than President Obama's approach to negotiating. As a liberal, I would be much more willing to accept pragmatic compromises if the President was still making strong arguments in favor of core progressive arguments about economics and taxation. Saying things like "Americans know govt has to tighten its belt in tough times" conceded the economic argument to the austerity-obsessed right wing.

Posted by: jbossch | December 6, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

This is sickening. The non-stop piling on of a President who has done more than any other Democratic President in generations.

This nonsense by Weiner is another example of congress taking shots after THEY declined to take up the tax bill before the midterms. Since September, all the President spoke of was making permanent the extension. But Congress wanted to protect themselves from a tough vote. And they lost anyway.

I wish more in the media would speak to the fact that the Presidents party does him no favors. From healthcare to taxes, you have Blue Dog opposition in the Senate. And the prevailing thinking about holding huge majorities neglects to mention he is up against these Blue Dogs, who are concerned only with remaining in office.

I take the President at his word he would rather be an effective one term President. With all he has accomplished, with a recalcitrant Republican party and Blue Dogs, it's amazing he got anything done.

Posted by: navec245 | December 6, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you Navec245. I love Weiner's spirit but he and Nancy caved for the Blue Dogs by not having this done before midterms. Also, did you all catch that creep Barton saying he was pleased that they 'set the trap' for the Dems when they made it law ten years ago?

Posted by: LAB2 | December 6, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Liberals are playing to their base without regard for the facts on the ground. The media has reinforced the narrative that only rewards intransigence and fighting. Everyone is focused on the short game (this week or next week)rather than the next 6 months to a year. It makes for weak analysis and self-serving pronouncements. Unfortunately, this plays right into the hands of the manipulators of all political stripes who know how to control angry fools.

Posted by: richarddyoung | December 6, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Of Mice And Men.

Some Presidents grow in office, after they have gone through some baptism of fire. They usually turn out to be the ones who historians end up ranking highly.

President Obama aspired to be a transformational President. However, since he has gone through his baptism of fire, he appears to be actually shrinking, instead of growing as a leader.

The more Republican leaders treat him as a punching bag, the more he tries to climb into their laps.

Intellect without resolve, is just a fart in a political windstorm.

If I were a Republican leader, I would never again agree to anything that President Obama proposes, since all they have to do, is ignore him, and he will come whimpering after them, and heel at their commands.

If you were a leader in N. Korea, Iran, etc, and you have been observing how easily the "leader of the free world" gets rolled by his domestic opposition, why would you not come to the conclusion that he will not stand up to you?. Since their is no fight in Obama, Israel's Prime Minister will also roll him.

This White House has no attack dog. That role was often assigned to past VPs, but Biden is just another lapdog. He actually is proud of the fact that he will not say a harsh political word about the opposition.

Time to tune out this White House and focus on putting pressure on the Senate Democrats to exercise the veto. Harry Reid does not have to bring any bill up for a vote, that lets the Republicans pay back their anonymous fat cat backers.

Harry Reid has the power of the veto. Push him to use it, because President Obama is a lost cause.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 6, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"I take the President at his word he would rather be an effective one term President."


He's doing a great job right now showing he will be a one term Prez. Kick the tax cut issue down the road for another two years (1/1/13), pile up more debt, along with stagnant job growth, and come out "swinging" (yeah, sure) in 2012 when the unemployment rate is in the high 8s, and have the GOP attack Obama again on the tax cut extension. Unless the Dems and Obama grow a spine between now and Nov. 2012 what happened this Nov. will only be a small precursor. Obama hasn't shown that he's a fighter. Even if part of the electorate doesn't agree with you, at least they respect some one who stands up and fights. I just don't see this as part of Barack's DNA.

Posted by: filmnoia | December 6, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Will Rep. Weiner vote against any bill that includes tax cuts for income above $250k?

Is there anything that could also be included that would make those cuts acceptable?

While I may agree with Rep. Wiener's statement...he needs to answer those questions before he runs his mouth any more. The Congressional Progressive Caucus should have enough size to influence this debate, but where are they?

It's a bit absurd for progressives in Congress to complain about how bad a negotiator Pres. Obama is, while at the same time demanding he negotitate for them.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | December 6, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The Repubs don't want to govern- they want to rule. They will do anything to make Obama and Dems look bad to the general public. They truly don't care if the economy tanks if it helps them gain power. And the Dems are a bunch of spineless wimps. It is sickening to watch and I am ashamed of my government/country right now.

Posted by: mwamp | December 6, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's the way it will play out: Obama twists arms to get all Democratic players to cave on the tax cuts, and to give away more on social programs like food stamps to pay for extending unemployment benefits. Then McConnell runs out the clock on DADT and START, not to mention the DREAM act, we end the 111th Congress with nothing.

That's why we're angry.

Posted by: fishellb | December 6, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The top 1% now owns 24% of household assets, way up from 7% in 1980. The tax cuts for the wealthy have contributed much to this trend. And concentration of wealth in the hands of a few indicates a Third World future for the USA.

Posted by: clary916 | December 6, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"Why isn't anyone asking why Reid didn't pass the under 250k tax cut extension via reconciliation?"

For the same reason they didn't pass the Public Option using reconcilation, because despite all their posturing to the contrary, they simply don't want to.

If they wanted to pass just the middle class tax cut, they could have done it 2 years ago. Or at the very latest, before the election.

Posted by: mikediaz1 | December 6, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The tax cut "compromise" is just one disappointment in a long series of disappointments for progressives. Looking into the future is like looking down the barrel of a shotgun. We can see these tax cuts will lead to even high deficits that the Republicans will then use to justify cutting public entitlements (their agenda all along). Then the Democrats will "compromise" again. Unless you are a millionaire, bang...you are screwed. www.killingmother.blogspot.

Posted by: killingMother | December 6, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"Why the left is angry at Obama"

Because they're spoiled children who will never be happy and, no matter what they get, will always demand more, more, more?

American left: Veruca Salt. "Give it me! Now!"

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | December 6, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Doh, I musta used a naughty word on my last post.

"Also, did you all catch that creep Barton saying he was pleased that they 'set the trap' for the Dems when they made it law ten years ago?"

Barton is clueless. He had no clue who would be in charge in 2010. Who exactly did he think he was setting the trap on? And of course Kurtz shamelessly lets him ramble away on this make believe historical "fact."

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 6, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm stuck in moderation so I'll just post a shorter version.

DEMOCRATS in Congress want the tax cuts on high earners to stay put. They're the problem. It's the same dynamic as health care reform. Unified, Democrats have a potent message and they could have won voting this message out before the election as the White House/Pelosi/Reid wanted. But the DEMOCRATS didn't want that.

The White House won the public to their side through the bully pulpit; just as progressives are always asking.

But obviously, no one can push these blue dogs where they don't want to go in the senate and they're the main problem. If all DEMS were united on this; Snowe/Collins/Brown would fold but they aren't so they don't have to anger their republican base.

This dynamic changes in the new year and to take effective use of the new dynamic; the white house needs to get rid of old business and have a ten month spending resolution to strengthen their hand in the coming budget negotiations.

Posted by: Rhoda | December 6, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"The top 1% now owns 24% of household assets, way up from 7% in 1980."

In other words, that top 1% has the ability to create recessions when they get fickle and stingy.

Going Galt is becoming a reality. Oh Ayn Rand would be so proud so see her fiction become reality.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Let me see.

Obama's a fool when he tries to gain the needed support of Republicans (and Blue Dogs) for important legislation because we all know that bipartisanship is a chimera in this political environment.

When Obama recognizes the complete intransigence of the opposition on a given issue and tries to leverage that to achieve other very important policy goals, he's also a fool.

Got it.

Posted by: AllButCertain | December 6, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The left ( since they think they are so much better than everyone else) will never quite grasp that most Americans are middle of the road types. Yes we love guns and beer and V8 engines!

Posted by: FLvet | December 6, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

IT'S ALL RAUMS FAULT!!!!!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | December 6, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Think the tea partiers are ecstatic about extended unemployment benefits, the further use of the EITC and more education subsidies?

They probably hate that as much as the progressives hate extending tax cuts for the rich.

Its called a compromise. Nobody gets all of what they want.

Posted by: sold2u | December 6, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"f Obama wraps up a deal on the tax cuts quickly, and as a result is able to secure the time necessary to get DADT repealed before the end of the year, you could then argue that his approach turned out to be pretty pragmatic, after all. "

hmmm, somehow greg thinks putting us 80 billioin more in debt would be a win for obama.

yeah, right.

Posted by: newagent99 | December 6, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The complaints are all from Liberals in completely safe, gerry-mandered districts.

They have nothing to lose by being the Liberal Party of No.

Obama faces a very uncertain re-election since independents fled from Dems in the election and his approval rating is in the tank.

I doubt he's going to put his own head on the block for Barney Frank and Nancy.


Posted by: drjcarlucci | December 6, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

greg ... please explain why the Bush Tax Cuts mostly favored the middle class yet from 2001-2003 up to 2009 Pelosi, Reid, Obama and many other Democrat politicians railed and ranted about the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich!! Asserting that those cuts were only for the rich.

Obviously the always disingenuous Rep. Weiner either doesn't know the facts nor does he care to discover them.....but as a journalist, surely you knew enough to discover the truth!

Why would anyone continue to believe the liars - Pelosi-Reid-Obama and the rest of the Democrat political clowns!

Posted by: Hazmat77 | December 6, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are just after an easy target: Obama. The fight is not Obama. He is the President of the United States, not only the left. Where are the Senators and Congressman. you can see them on TV or in the News only when it is about to criticize the President. You rarely see them in the news fighting against the Republicans.ever since Obama was elected. you see the Republican leaders blasting his policies in every Network every day including all Sunday Shows.where are all Senate leaders? during the health care debate you can only see them on C-Span. right now, instead of running ADS to have everybody call their congress to pass the middle class Tax cut, they are wasting money running Ads against The President. This is how the left lost the debate fighting among themselves while the righties were in block attacking Democrats. when we focused on Sharon Angle, Christine O'Donnell and Paladino, they lost. If we were more focused, may be, we could win the senate race in Wisconsin, Chicago and Pennsylvania.We always come down together at the last minute and trying to sell what the Democrat have accomplished. This President and this Congress have accomplished a lot but the people supposed to sell it with the President,are always looking for a new way to fight the President over the next issue. If we didn't have the Public Option it was not because of Obama. Why can't we point out that Republican are so intolerant that they fought any righties willing to work with Democrats. They are now after Senator Lugar. Democrats are going to keep loosing as long as they don't figure out that the real fight in the news battle. Republicans understood that since Obama was elected they are on it with Fox and every Media and Show. Why do Think Fox News radicalized? Until the left understand that we are going to suffer

Posted by: Sybil2000 | December 6, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Let all the Bush Tax Cuts expire.

They did not stimulate the economy, or add jobs. They did the exact opposite. They forced the US to borrow more money, and we ended up with an economic melt down.

The tax cuts are still in effect now, and they have not restored jobs, or the economy in general.

The Republicans are like those who once applied leeches to people, in order to make them stronger. When the leeches made the patients weaker, by sucking the life blood out of them, those treating them, and the modern day Republican Party, each claimed that the solution was to continue treating the weak patients with more leeches.

If Obama wants to enact austerity measures, that will reduce the deficits by four trillion dollars, over the next ten years, he will never find an easier way to do it, than to just let the worthless Bush tax cuts expire, and to have Harry Reid not bring any tax bill up for a vote, that Republicans will start calling for in 2011.

Just say no to the Republican practitioners of Vodoo Leech Medicine.

President Obama. cut to the chase. If you want to reduce deficits; just let all the Bush Tax Cuts expire, instead of wasting time, in a futile effort to try and please Alan Simpson. You will never get Social Security cuts or age extensions passed. You will never get Pentagon cuts passed.

The only way to reduce deficit spending by four trillion dollars, over the next ten years, is to let the failed Bush Tax cuts expire. You can do that President Obama, without having to get any legislation passed.

KISS. They were supposed to create jobs, but instead we lost millions of jobs, and ballooned the annual deficits; so it is time to stop pretending that The Republican Leech treatment of the patient, has been efficacious. The truth is self evident. The economy collapsed, and the borrowing soared, once the Bush Leeches were applied to the patient.

We read your lips, President Obama. You said that you were not going to renew the Bush tax rewards to the fattest cats in the land. Now you are about to do so?.

The Republicans are not being intransigent. They are just demanding that you enact their policies, because they are convinced that you will not stand up to them. Are they right? It is sure beginning to look like they just might be.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 6, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The Liberal Agenda is now the DEAD AGENDA


The democratic party is now the DEAD AGENDA SOCIETY.


Case closed. Time to move to a cave.

Posted by: RainForestRising | December 6, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

When Young Greg talks about Obama's "approach to negotiating" and compromising too easily, what he's really saying, though he'd never admit it, is that Obama is so inexperienced in the ways of sausage-making that he has no timing nor even a rudimentary grasp of what's needed to impact efficiently on congressional deal-making and therefore whiffs when he should be swinging for the fences and swings when he should keep his bat on his shoulder.

But then those of us who wisely didn't vote for him knew this going in.

He's a naive shepherd boy in amongst wolves who devour him daily.

It's a sad, spooky kabuki that we all have to watch repeat itself over and over and over again.

Posted by: tom75 | December 6, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Alex3 ... it's very kind of you to allow others to post here, even when you disagree with their opinions.

Apparently magnanimity is your middle name!

Posted by: Hazmat77 | December 6, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama is like the smart kid in High School who hides in the bathroom when the bullies come striding down the hall.

Posted by: dy1123 | December 6, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

tom75 ....... while I agree Obama is vastly overrated by the left media, there isn't really very much that can be "negotiated" about NOT allowing the current tax rates to expire. Obama knows as well as everyone else that PRECEPTION becomes reality. Any increasing ANY income tax rates in the current economy makes NO sense .... so he is merely saving face by demanding that the Republicans give on the extension of unemployment benefits ... that the Democrats refuse to take the money for that extension from the recovered TARP funds, or the unused Stimulus funds speaks volumes about their real purpose - merely to create an election issue for 2012.

Posted by: Hazmat77 | December 6, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama knows that the Republicans are prepared to stand firm on extending the tax cuts for all, even if it means loss of unemployment benefits for millions and tax increases across the board. Since the Democrats still control both houses of Congress and the White House, the Republicans are confident that they can spin this horrendous outcome so that the public blames Democratic intransigence and unwillingness to "compromise." And if recent history is any guide, they are probably right. Their skill at messaging (forget governing!) has made them the party of "tails we win, heads the Democrats lose."

Posted by: Spenmore25 | December 6, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This is a well-written piece.

Mr. Weiner makes me proud pretty much every time he opens his mouth on tv. He is a figher, possibly because he is from New York.

Mr. Obama, however, is from Hawaii. I have spent many, many months in Hawaii. Native Hawaiians especially, are VERY strongly averse to ANY kind of confrontation.


I wouldn't expect Mr. Sargent necessarily to include the fact that the lying, duplicitous, two-faced, bullying GOP / T/Party lapdogs are behaving like domestic terrorists, holding the entire country hostage for their self-delusional, warped, half-conscious need to 'defend' their own wealth and all of the OTHER wealthiest of the wealthy, no matter what the cost to the other 98% of the country.

If Mr. Obama were up against civilized human beings who show a willingness to be reasonable, then fine, go ahead and say, " Let's compromise" ... BEFORE you negotiate.

But these lying, underhanded, twisted, sleepwalking, cynical, demented GOP / T Party lapdogs have done everything but screamed from the rooftops that they are NOT interested in compromise!!!

So that, every time Mr. Obama, ( a very fine and brilliant President ) says " Let's compromise" ... he looks like a fool, to the rest of the world, but CERTAINLY to those dumb enough to follow the lying, treacherous, conniving, terroristic GOP / T Party lapdogs.

Mr. President: STOP saying you want to compromise with the likes of Mitch McConnell, a man so horrid, so cynical, so full of arrogance and greedy selfishness and contempt for this country that it wreaks form his every pore.

Posted by: StevenK3 | December 6, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the left is angry with him because he's a steaming pile of useless politician.

Posted by: coogene | December 6, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I admire your work on this blog. That's not an issue. But instead of looking at this same angle on every policy matter that comes up, I would really appreciate it if you'd dig a little deeper and tell us what we should understand by the term "the Left." Who does this include? Who gets left out? What candidates had the "Left's" allegiance in the Democratic primary? What percentage of the electorate belongs to this Left? How monolithic is this Left and does it all prefer Anthony Weiner's cocksure colorfulness to other means of political presentation? As a lifelong liberal, should I assume that I'm not part of the Left if I'm not angry with Obama?

Posted by: AllButCertain | December 6, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Borrowing another four trillion dollars to renew tax cuts that did not create jobs, and are not creating jobs now, is what makes no sense. What programs will Obama agree to slash, to offset the Bush Tax cuts renewal?

Before the Bush tax cuts. Plenty of job growth, and running an annual budget surplus. After the Bush Tax Cuts; Millions of jobs lost, and trillions more added to the national debt.

It makes no sense to borrow another four trillion dollars to renew tax cuts, that did not create jobs, and are still not creating jobs.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 6, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I say get as much done as possible during lame duck. I stick with Obama on this. Make the tax deal quickly now and move on. Everyone wins with the tax cuts. Deal with deficits later. First get the economy rolling.

A long fight on taxes backs up other important legislation. Don't bet against tax cuts and cheap gas, especially with unemployment near 10%. Honestly fellow Dems, you can't cut taxes for some but not others.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | December 6, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I say get as much done as possible during lame duck. I stick with Obama on this. Make the tax deal quickly now and move on. Everyone wins with the tax cuts. Deal with deficits later. First get the economy rolling.

A long fight on taxes backs up other important legislation. Don't bet against tax cuts and cheap gas, especially with unemployment near 10%. Honestly fellow Dems, you can't cut taxes for some but not others.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | December 6, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm really sick of all of the complaining. It is not accomplishing one thing. If the dems don't like the compromise - vote against it otherwise SHUT UP! Enough already with this constant grip about my President. I'm a proud African American woman who has dealt with discrimination back in the 60's and never thought I would see this day, but I too am disappointed - not in my President but in the American people. Behind all of these sickening and degrading comments are still racists attitudes. My PResident has been called so many names publically and on numerous websites. Can't say if folks making those statements online are white, but I do know for a FACT on TV they are ALL WHITE! This Country hasn't nearly come far enough. Does it make each of you feel good when you put down this Black man? What are you doing to help anyone? I would love to see my President re-elected, but this Country is just not ready. They want to keep a black man (person) in their place. Folks feel entitled to White Privilege. This Country would rather have a bumbling white man lead this country than a intellectual Black man like President Obama. HOw is any of the crude comments help this Country move forward. Instead we have moved backwards.

Posted by: peggymarie | December 6, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Hello all you Dems I have some news that was not in the weekly Obama talking points memo so this will be new to all of you. You would like your president to be like Robin Hood steal from the rich to give to the poor (you). Instead he steals from the middle class and gives the money to his rich friends G.E. Goldmann Sachs etc. Why do you think he fought so hard to keep what he really spent our money on from the public? Did anyone here lose their homes? I wonder how many of Obama's rich friends at Goldmann Sachs lost their homes? Yeah you stupid Dems want someone to pay a dime more in taxes? Why so Obama can use our money to bye more votes from Wall Street, Big Biz, Big Oil, and organized crime (the unions) you must be the dumbest people on the face of the earth to still support the lying thief you call president.

Posted by: Loxinabox | December 6, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

[@ 1:35 PM on December 6, 2010 Sybil2000 Posted: "...Democrats...Republicans...The President...Fox News..."]
= = = = = = =
Where to start Sybil, 2000 was the beginning of the Bush Era Tax Policies, 2008 was the end of the Bush Era Tax Policies, 2009 was the beginning of the Obama Tax Hike Rhetoric, 2010 is the Era of His Tax Hikes, and His Tax Hikes alone.

In 2008 We voted for Hope, We waited for change, now it is time for Americans to go back to work, to spend our pay as we see fit, and pursue the dream (guaranteed in the Constitution BTW) as promised.

A dollar taken before it's spent, is a dollar taken from our recovery, not passed on to the businesses in our community, not paid to a neighbor who may be having difficulty paying bills, caring for the family, or invested in increased domestic and world economic activity.

The President, the remaining in-crumbents in Congress, y'all @ WaPo, etc. and any members of what is 'left' of the Party of Jackson, Van Buren, and Polk, nearly devoured by the Progressive-Zilla that has FED the Monster from Move-on.Code-Punk, now slithering as fast as it can back under the rocks, into the caves from whence it came, need to join US in the back of the bus, while the fresh, energized, determined pantheon of not-so Clueless young Amateur Patriots, that stepped into the whistling wind at the brink, boarded the USS Golden Goose, sailed US back to the shores of the good land of 'Prosperity 'n Plenty of IT' on Nov. 2nd, and let them drive the bus back where it belongs on the Super Highway of American Excellence.

That dear bloggers, no matter whether you are an innie, an outie, a leftie, or a rightie, a wing, a nut, or a pin looking for a head to be on, is the rock and a hard place our dear first-ever half term President with a two term legacy, already we are at now.

Ben Bernanke says "it's one million jobs (at best, mostly public sector) not 3 million promised and lied about by Odd Jobs Jusef Rob('em when they're up rob 'em when they're down)in(a v)ette 'Bite Me' Biden, Czar of transparent failure of stimulus for US. Ten Percent Un-Employed (at the best, 17% real), with 14,000,000 households at more risk than 2007.

Glenn Beck could have done a better job than the whole lot of them, with one hand, and half his brain tied behind his back.

Posted by: SpendNomore | December 6, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

With all the complaints from democrats over the past 10 years about Bush and his tax cuts - the democrats NEVER said that a family making 50,000 per year got a $2,900 tax cut FROM BUSH.


To hear the democrats during that time, the Bush tax cuts were a grave injustice - benefitting only the rich.


The democrats have been nothing but shameful in their deceit and lies about Bush - this kind of conduct should not take place in America.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | December 6, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

How did they become rich, except by stealing from the middle class, and making them poor?

The concentration of wealth amongst the Oligarchy is turning the USA into a modern version of France before the revolution.

Republicans are even telling out of work poor people to do without bread, and just eat dirt.

Posted by: Liam-still | December 6, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

All, my take on why the question of whether DADT is repealed is all up to Harry Reid and Barack Obama:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/12/whether_dadt_repeal_passes_is.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | December 6, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Any consideration of the current president should begin with an awareness of the fact that he continues to conceal virtually the entire paper trail of his existence from birth to the White House in a tight shroud of secrecy.

American voters clearly remember the Obama 2008 campaign repeatedly promising that their administration would uphold the highest ethical standards with a particular emphasis on transparency.

A vast majority of these voters believe that the process of running for the office of President of the United States should be the toughest public job interview on the planet.

The sad fact remains that the current president could not be hired as a janitor in a federal building with the amount of verifiable background information that he has provided.

Barack Obama's original typewritten long form birth certificate, school records, SAT and LSAT scores, college and law school admission records and grade transcripts and thesis papers, medical records, passport history, Illinois state senate tenure records, presidential campaign foreign donor lists, complete White House visitor logs and other relevant records and documents have all never been released or allowed to be subjected to any sort of scrutiny, despite several years of repeated requests for disclosure by numerous individuals and non-traditional media organizations.

The Obama 2008 campaign and subsequent administration have to date spent a considerable sum on legal fees, estimated in the millions of dollars, to fight Freedom of Information Act filings and other requests to examine this material.

The mainstream media has given Barack Obama an astounding free pass on this basic issue of personal truth and transparency. They allowed him a special exception in 2008 from the important traditional practice of releasing his records and credentials.

Barack Obama was presented as a brilliant intellectual with stellar Ivy League credentials whose cool low key style would transform the culture of Washington and lead America into a new harmonious postracial era while achieving miracles of bipartisan cooperation.

We all know how that worked out.

There exists a widespread and growing international speculation that an objective examination of Barack Obama's hidden paper trail would clearly reveal that his meteoric rise up the educational and career ladders was largely the result of multiple affirmative action decisions and that his vaunted intellectual reputation was a careful fabrication.

In short, just another leftist ideologue big city machine politician with more than a touch of narcissism who has cleverly used his race to get ahead and get over.

Obama and his handlers were able to successfully hide his past and explain away and minimize his associations with controversial individuals and groups during their 2008 campaign.

Will they be able to effectively repeat this deception between now and 6 November 2012?

Only if you let them.

Posted by: FlashHarry | December 6, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Any consideration of the current president should begin with an awareness of the fact that he continues to conceal virtually the entire paper trail of his existence from birth to the White House in a tight shroud of secrecy.

American voters clearly remember the Obama 2008 campaign repeatedly promising that their administration would uphold the highest ethical standards with a particular emphasis on transparency.

A vast majority of these voters believe that the process of running for the office of President of the United States should be the toughest public job interview on the planet.

The sad fact remains that the current president could not be hired as a janitor in a federal building with the amount of verifiable background information that he has provided.

Barack Obama's original typewritten long form birth certificate, school records, SAT and LSAT scores, college and law school admission records and grade transcripts and thesis papers, medical records, passport history, Illinois state senate tenure records, presidential campaign foreign donor lists, complete White House visitor logs and other relevant records and documents have all never been released or allowed to be subjected to any sort of scrutiny, despite several years of repeated requests for disclosure by numerous individuals and non-traditional media organizations.

The Obama 2008 campaign and subsequent administration have to date spent a considerable sum on legal fees, estimated in the millions of dollars, to fight Freedom of Information Act filings and other requests to examine this material.

The mainstream media has given Barack Obama an astounding free pass on this basic issue of personal truth and transparency. They allowed him a special exception in 2008 from the important traditional practice of releasing his records and credentials.

Barack Obama was presented as a brilliant intellectual with stellar Ivy League credentials whose cool low key style would transform the culture of Washington and lead America into a new harmonious postracial era while achieving miracles of bipartisan cooperation.

We all know how that worked out.

There exists a widespread and growing international speculation that an objective examination of Barack Obama's hidden paper trail would clearly reveal that his meteoric rise up the educational and career ladders was largely the result of multiple affirmative action decisions and that his vaunted intellectual reputation was a careful fabrication.

In short, just another leftist ideologue big city machine politician with more than a touch of narcissism who has cleverly used his race to get ahead and get over.

Obama and his handlers were able to successfully hide his past and explain away and minimize his associations with controversial individuals and groups during their 2008 campaign.

Will they be able to effectively repeat this deception between now and 6 November 2012?

Only if you let them.

Posted by: FlashHarry | December 6, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

[@ 2:00 PM on December 6, 2010 peggymarie Posted: "I'm really sick..."]
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So are a lot of US peggy, but all due respect, this is not the 60's, and we all expected better in a post-partisan, post-racial, most transparent, ethical congress and administration in the Universe. It is sad to see the supposed responsible people scurrying about trying to hold on to any personal and extremely partisan power still up for grabs at the last minute of 2010. God love y'a, stay proud, and watch what happens as soon as the new guys, and whoever still has a conscience up there in DC, pry the rest of the government from the special interests still in charge there.

Posted by: SpendNomore | December 6, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

peggymarie Your a proud African American woman who has dealt with discrimination back in the 60's and never thought I would see this day, but I too am disappointed - not in my President but in the American people. Behind all of these sickening and degrading comments are still racists attitudes. My President has been called so many names publicly and on numerous websites.? What do you mean? As Sonia Sotomayor said "written test are to hard for black people" nice to
know we have a racist looking out for all Americans rights! Any one out there think
it would help to appoint more racist to the supreme court? They would fit right in with the racist that pretends he cares about America.If you look up the definition of Affirmative Action then look up the definition of racism you will see that I am right. Obama is a racist that is a simple fact. As a proud black American man I am ashamed that Obama is president of the United States.

Posted by: Loxinabox | December 6, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Here are two excellent ideas on how we can fund the government:

In response to another article, Airborne82 wrote today:

"The Department of Commerce should Tax stock trades and gambling transactions a fraction of a penny to fund jobs and infrastructure legislation. There are over $4 Trillion in trades every single day. A minuscule tax of less than a penny on each trade could fund American manufacturing and Job creation....The Fed should demand a bigger cut of the Wall Street Derivatives market. A $600 Trillion Market should be taxed higher to Regulate Risk and Reward and fund Jobs and Unemployment. That’s the least Wall Street can contribute to the 8 Million workers who lost Jobs, Homes and Businesses because they (Wall Street) used people and communities life savings to gamble on Derivatives, Swaps, CDOs and Commodities while awarding themselves Hundreds of Billions."

I think those are excellent ideas and creative solutions! Let's repeat these ideas over and over in various blogs, etc., as well as sending them over and over to our representatives in Congress and the SEC until they are a reality.

Posted by: foofoofoo | December 6, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Weiner is correct. OBAMA CAVES = OBAMA FAILS.

Leadership, strategy, global effectiveness with world leaders, local constituents, friends, enemies, neutrals, the nation's ability to pull itself up by it's boot straps: ALL GONE.. When OBAMA CAVES = OBAMA FAILS us all.

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | December 6, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I will be disappointed to see the GOP sponsored tax breaks continue into the future... it seems impossible to successfully argue that these are good for the country, yet many have a religious fervor to that effect.

I am also disappointed that they will likely be extended without a full and roundly understood sentiment that they are not a good thing... instead poor politics and compromises will instead lead to a general impression that this is all great policy.

Last thought... despite my disappointment and in this case I really am disappointed, the GOP has still not approached the marketplace of ideas and personalities with any alternatives beyond rejection of the current president.

It seems that we have lost the patience as a nation to actually change or be uncomfortable. Better to elect people who just tell us we are great and serve their own purposes...

I hope for not only a strengthening of the Democrats but for a strengthening of Republicans as well. Both are doing us no service.

Posted by: Rickster623 | December 6, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

[@ 2:06 PM on December 6, 2010 Liam-still Posted: "...The concentration of wealth...Republicans..."]
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Don't know what republican you are watching and listening to, but the Children of the Tea have promised to find him, all the ne'er-do-wells still dipping their cold, greedy hands in OUR pockets, and stop them. Guess you live in a Republican district. You didn't mention any Dems in your piece of work.

Posted by: SpendNomore | December 6, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

[@ 2:30 PM on December 6, 2010 Rickster623 Posted: "...I will be disappointed...it seems impossible..."]
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Anything someone refuses to do always seems impossible Rick, but if you opened your mind, looked at this from the point of view of the 10,000,000 households with 20,000,000 to 30,000,000 people who are worse off and in less hope than in 2008.

In 2008, We voted for Hope, We waited for change, now it is time for Americans to go back to work, to spend our pay as we see fit, and pursue the dream (guaranteed in the Constitution BTW) as promised. A dollar taken before it's spent, is a dollar taken from our recovery, not passed on to the businesses in our community, not paid to a neighbor who may be having difficulty paying bills, caring for the family, or invested in increased domestic and world economic activity.

The President, the remaining in-crumbents in Congress, y'all @ WaPo blogs, etc, and any members of what is 'left' of the Party of Jackson, Van Buren, and Polk, nearly devoured by the Progressive-Zilla that has FED the Monster from Move-on.Code-Punk, now slithering as fast as it can back under the rocks, into the caves from whence it came, need to join US in the back of the bus, while the fresh, energized, determined pantheon of not-so Clueless young Amateur Patriots, that stepped into the whistling wind at the brink, boarded the USS Golden Goose, sailed US back to the shores of the good land of 'Prosperity 'n Plenty of IT' on Nov. 2nd, and let them drive the bus back where it belongs on the Super Highway of American Excellence.

Posted by: SpendNomore | December 6, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they're just angry at him because he's an inept, massively underqualified President.

Posted by: charlesbakerharris | December 6, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama begins all negotiations with abject capitulation. That's why the left is angry.

Posted by: tm13 | December 6, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Loxinbox - There is no way for me to know for sure you are African American but if you are, I guess you are ashamed of yourself as well.

Posted by: peggymarie | December 6, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

WHY do ignorant people continue to refer to Democrats as "liberals" and Republicans as "conservatives"?? Also, there are Republicans who are way further LEFT than some Democrats, and some Democrats who are way further RIGHT than some Republicans. The ONLY terms which describe ANY of these people correctly ARE Democrat, Republican, and Independent. There actually IS no official party called Tea party. They are simply disgruntled people who really HAVE no official party, but depend on the Republicans for promotion, since the Republican Party needs any votes which are anti-Democrat!

Each Party incorporates all these rights, lefts, liberals, and conservatives, but when a person simply refers to ONE of these tiny segments, they CERTAINLY are NOT referring to an entire party, which they frequently THINK (oxymoron) they are doing!

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Here is an alternative Rickster623:

The fact is, nothing is better with this bunch of Pirates, Milions of people came out Nov. 2, 2010 just to make that clear.

We are imploring the Department of the Treasury to forebear and suspend the collection of any wages, profit, and/or interest/principle for the period of one year.

{We are petitioning the Congress of the United States of America to enact in the most expeditious manner a law to collect (a fair share of) revenue from the 50 States and Those Protectorates in Proportion to the distribution of population certified by the Census of 2010, and further enact a codicil (ensuring the) graduating (of) the responsibility of each and every Jurisdiction based upon the level of un-employment in that Jurisdiction. So have WE been empowered, so should it be considered, forthwith.}

It would be a victory, a validation, a vindication for ALL, A RETURN OF ECONOMIC STABILITY TO AMERICA, AND A CALMING OF THE WORLD FINANCIAL MARKETS.

To: President Barack Obama, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senator Elect Marco Rubio, Senator Harry Reid, Senator Mitch McConnell, Senator Jim DeMint, Senator James Inhofe, House Leader John Boehner, Leader Eric Cantor, House Representative Mike Pence, House Representative Michele Bachmann...

Invigorate, Invent, Invest

Please return to proven Economics, proven Faith in US, and proven Generosity without coercion. With this action we can Re-Invigorate Progress, Re-Invent Prosperity, Re-Invest in People.

Sincerely,
The Petition Signers

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/America-can-Recover/

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/179/help-save-the-recovery/

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Invigorate-Invent-Invest

Fair Tax Amnesty is Coming

#1 Only money collected at the Local Level has any hope of being employed to the benefit of the residents in need there.

#2 Money taken from an individual by a government which then 'invests' it in what those in government say is for everybody's good, is neither for everybody, or for good. Each dollar taken and used in that manner does ten times more damage to the engine of prosperity than it ever improves.

#3 Money taken as a percentage of what an individual spends does no damage to prosperity, and the remainder multiplies locally the effect of that principle.

#4 Each dollar spent in that manner is partially re-spent many times before it loses it's benefit in the economy.

#5 A government that confiscates wealth ultimately destroys the prosperity that produced it in the first place.

#6 People doing and/or spending ALL their money, as they see fit in the pure pursuit of their dreams, is the naturally/perfecting order.

#7 The truth of the perfecting order is the only remedy.

None of this is half as crazy as what we see in the news, and posted on blogs every day.

Posted by: SpendNomore | December 6, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Elections have consequences (Obama's words in 2008) and the Dems got slaughtered in the midterms. The Dems WILL buckle to the GOP and give the Bush Tax cuts at least a two-year extension, while the GOP will agree to an extension of Unemployment Benefits.......but that is all the Dems will get until the new session of Congress in January.

Posted by: Realist201 | December 6, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

peggymarie Do you think it is OK in America to treat a person differently based solely on the color of their skin? Only racist like Obama think that way.I have never accepted a hand out based on the color of my skin! Your blind love a man who has lied to you dozens of times would not have anything to do with the color of his skin? Are you a racist?

Posted by: Loxinabox | December 6, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's see we voted for Obama and got Bush's wars, his economic plan, his tax cuts, and his recession. Why should anybody be mad at Obama? "Change you can believe in" yeah right.

Posted by: dfdougherty | December 6, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

[@ 2:48 PM on December 6, 2010 tm13 Posted: "...Obama...negotiations..."]
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Too bad he couldn't bring himself to capitulate on the un-told Trillion Dollar Health Insurance Ponzi Scheme...and massive, unlimited unemployment benefit support TWO YEARS ago, when it would have done a world of good, instead of paying off his campaign debts to ACORN, SEIU, and Public and Private Unions...The first ever Compromiser-in-Chief is still just the same gas bag, blowing up a Bush-Doll, draggin' it around the stage at Dem Town Haul Meetin's, alternately promising even more mayhem without end, and beating the Doll about his head and stomach, blaming it for all his no-relief in sight problem solving drought.

Posted by: SpendNomore | December 6, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke tells 60 Mimuts it will be years before "normal" levels of unemployment returns. So where does this leave the increasing numbers of 99ers? Are they to be simply ignored because in some body's elitist view they have dropped off the radar screen; that their suffering somehow doesn't count anymore?

In addition to reauthorizing UI benefits, nobody will blame Obama for kicking it up a notch by securing Republican support for a new "must work" program for those 99ers who have exhausted their unemployment benefits. This program would allow each state to design and run their own small, local, close-to-home work projects, using 99ers taken from their local unemployment lists. This program, too, would be designed to run until unemployment levels reach 7.5%.

Of course, the real objection Republicans have over the expiring Bush tax cuts isn't about the money, nor is it over the deficit, or the economy. The real issue that is frightening wealthy Republicans is over the decoupling of the middle class from the moneyed class. Once the Bush tax cuts are extended for just the middle class, the political divide between the haves and the have nots will be a fait accompli, there for all to see. Once this happens it will be just a matter of time, say by 2012, before we the poor realize just how badly we have been raped, and are continually being raped, by we the moneyed class, all in the name of we the Republic. And that my fine Republican friends, and, as it turns out, quite a few of my Democratic friends and their corporate paymasters, cannot be allowed to happen at any cost.

But I suspect, however; Republicans don't yet fully understand just how high a price they may have to pay to achieve their political goal. If Obama turns out to be a real player....which he has shown signs of being, i.e., the $20 billion BP oil spill set aside... it may cost the Republican leadership a brand, new stimulus package, dedicated to the middle class, the unemployed, the 99ers and the poor. That is, the Republicans, in their insistence that the wealthy Chapter-S participants be included in the Bush tax cut extension, has given Obama the necessary political predicate to mount another stimulus package, even if it does balloon the deficit, as long as it is temporary in nature and terminates when employment level reaches 7.5%.

The only question now left before us, the most pitiable victims of the callousness of Wall Street, the blatant greed of too-big-to-fail bankers, and the pompous incompetence of Congress itself, is whether or not Obama can deliver. The price of Obama's compromise may well define his presidency thus far and may even determine his re-election prospects for 2012.

ex animo
davidfarrar

Posted by: davidfarrar1 | December 6, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama has good ideas but one of them has been proven wrong over and again..."bipartisan cooperation will work"

That is the ideology we would all like to believe. The facts are not there to support it. That leaves Obama with one of two options. (a) pretend the GOP will still work with him and get nothing done or (b) stand up for his other ideas and fight as if he has to do it all without the GOP...which is the fact.

Posted by: joethevoter | December 6, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"Obama and everyone else knew all along that the GOP held the cards." Ah, a Dem president and Dem senate with the House still in place? No cards? Are U as daft as the Dim pres? Reconciliation buddy! This should have been done before the midterm- Obama is a sell out and a hack. He's never done anything as a state senator or fed. for us in Il. -ecept cheat in primaries. Thank goodness for Weiner, Schumer,Sanders and the few who actually care that $80 of every $100 has gone to the 1% since 1980. Reid/ Durbin are weak millionaires who could care less.
S.S. / Medicare are there as INSURANCE for hard labours and poverty-middle and working class. We pay into that -not illegal wars and unpaid Med part D and huge unpaid for tax breaks for the corportaions/ wall street as they outsourse UR jobs. What other sane country doesn't have better universal health care? Were 37th! For the love of humanity and FAIRNESS, not greed- Wake up- UR being robbed and weakening the world defense.
Obama is to be primaried and he will be out-he has no base. Left, Right(laughing at him) and Independents are running away from this coward. DEAN or Hillary?

Posted by: crrobin | December 6, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Only in todays Democratic party is getting nothing in exchange for everything that Republicans want, considered a deal.

Come on Dems, stand up for something for once!

Tell the Repugs they pass everything you want, or no deal on their unfunded, deficit producing Tax Cuts for Billionaires. Nothing, Zero, Zip, Nada!


Heck, you've already got the Repugs on record voting against middle-class tax cuts.

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Posted by: DrainYou | December 6, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

When will you liberal dolts wake up and realize that Odumbo doesn't care about you?
You all fell for the image that this incompetent leftist portrayed, and the media promoted.
Now that you find out it's all smoke and mirrors the whining begins.
Let's face it, America doesn't want your brand of socialism. They don't want to be dependent on the government like a bunch of leeches.
Wake up and get a life, and a job.

Posted by: LarryG62 | December 6, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Lox - I have my prejudices from time to time as does everyone. I do not follow blindly, but I do try to respect people and if you had any self respect you would find some of the criticisms sickening. Has anyone ever questioned your manhood? Do you have any balls? If not, guess you don't fit the stereotypical black man with big ones. See that's the kind of stuff being said about OUR President.

Posted by: peggymarie | December 6, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

This is not just a left side issue. Many Independents would agree that compromising before the debate begins is a self-inflicted wound.

Why Obama keeps doing it is either because he is ill-informed by his handlers (probably) or he has a deep seated sense of insecurity and an unwarranted urge to duck hard issues and appease the opposition.

Either way he is ddomed to failure and will continue to fail unless he gets someone like Bill Clinton in there to help him fight back.

Posted by: atroncale1 | December 6, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Headline: OBAMA SELLS FARM GETS BAG OF RICE IN RETURN

Posted by: dy1123 | December 6, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

By "The Left" you mean Obama's 8,000,000 vote majority?

That's how the interest of the overwhelming majority gets marginalized - Obama drifts to the right, and suddenly the majority is pigeonholed as "The Left," a bunch of dingbats who are at best a nuisance to the Serious People of Washington DC. By labelling the majoity as "The Left," DC signals its intention to ignore them.

Posted by: BurfordHolly | December 6, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I believed that Mr. Obama really understood the danger of negotiating with terrorists.

I was wrong. Why Mr. Obama condones and promotes the bombing of terrorists in Pakistan with robot-drones, while he STILL, after all that has happened, seeks 'compromise' with our domestic terrorists, the GOP / T Party, is beyond me.

Watch, over the next two years you will see the GOP / T Party use this latest capitulation against the President.

They will never, ever, ever negotiate in good faith. Just like terrorists.


Posted by: StevenK3 | December 6, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I hear so many of you falling for the lie that a tax cut cost the governement money... or adds to the deficit..

Tax cuts do not add to the deficit, spending more money than you have does. If we cut taxes it is always good for America. A middle class tax cut without the small and large business tax cut is a real loser for America because more people will lose their jobs is business is taxed more.

Tax cuts good... over spending bad.

Posted by: markandbeth92 | December 6, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

How ridiculous to assume that you can get a DADT repeal (let alone have time to "debate" it [what are the merits of debating it, people are for it as is this military, why can't legislators see that?]), if you can't get votes for a tax cut (all the GOP talks about) for everybody passed?

The fact is, this is ALREADY a compromised position. It's a $250K income tax break for ALL citizens, not just the middle class. It's a pretty good deal, considering the rich have gotten filthy richer in the past decade. Has nothing to do with corporations or if they will suffer, because this isn't a tax on business. Obviously, the richest Americans don't need tax breaks, exempting LEGITIMATE "small businesses" from a raise in taxes, which the owners of these entities may actually report business income as their own, depending on size.

Anyway, Anthony Weiner is right. It's not just about ideology, it's about tactics. Look at HCR and how the right calls it socialism. Though it broadens Medicaid/Medicare in part, it is not a separate program. It is not universal healthcare, it doesn't even include a public option. It's definitely not a GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER of healthcare, as they aren't even setting a baseline for what a proper health insurance plan should have or allow. They don't set significant caps on premiums people pay to insurers. However, it makes having health insurance mandatory, a giveaway for Pharma and the insurance industry - especially because they'll just charge people who were previously "uninsurable" a ton more money for a policy (better than having no insurance at all, I guess). All it did was give people more options, but made it mandatory that you pick one, and not necessarily a cheap one.

Is that the best we could've done? It was a moderate Republican bill on its face, minus a few things like allowing no pre-existing conditions BS to keep you from getting insurance.

Reid is a chicken, as is Obama. Nancy Pelosi is doing all the heavy lifting, even though she didn't try to pass tax cuts in the House prior to the election. Who knows... that might've helped keep the House, if the American public has been asleep the past two years and didn't understand why Republicans are at the core of the lack of progress made by the average American in that time (though arguably, Obama and Reid would probably give up in any case), at least people tend to think "tax cuts" is an immediate benefit and if the GOP vote from two days ago took place then - what would the American people finally put together?

ON EVERYTHING, THE REPUBLICANS VOTE AGAINST YOUR BEST INTERESTS, EVEN DURING THIS FINANCIAL CATASTROPHE. ON TAX CUTS, UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, TARP/BAILOUTS (no string attached), JOBS, WALL STREET/BANK FINANCIAL REFORM, ANY ASSISTANCE IN KEEPING YOU IN YOUR HOME, THIS IS A GAME TO THEM.

THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT TIMING, WHEN SHOULD THINGS BE FIXED? HOW LONG SHOULD WE SUFFER? 2-4 MORE YEARS?

WINNING ELECTIONS, NOT GOVERNANCE, IS WHY THEY RUN FOR OFFICE.

Posted by: fbutler1 | December 6, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

DID the Dem's get "slaughtered" in the mid-terms? When an election is bought and paid for, it should hardly be called a slaughter, as if it were actually WON by either party. Actually, it was a "LOSS" for all of us. Great political representatives of all the people were slandered by paid for political lies and propaganda and replaced by selfish people with their own agendas.

The loud and clear message from the November elections was: "Thank you, Bush Supreme Court! Without the $4 BILLION DOLLARS donated by the CORPORATE "person" you created for us, promoting the crazies and the unqualified, the gullible voters would have voted for the valuable candidates you slandered. Your daily and repetitive malicious mail, TV and radio ads and billboards to damage the reputations of great and honorable Congress people is criminal, but we needed your billions to accomplish it and PRETEND that we actually "won" anything."
These criminals don't understand that what they "won" is just one giant step closer to being victims of a dictatorship. If we are controlled by the billions of dollars of corporate money, we are no longer a DEMOCRACY!!
Figure it out! The power in this country is the corporate money, which USED TO BE considered "corporations". Each billion dollar corporation is now considered a "PERSON" (a GIFT from the Roberts' Supreme Court)and will be donating to every election from now on unless we get this decision repealed!
Will the wealthy benefit from it? Oh yes, a FEW of the wealthy Americans will benefit, but the majority of Republicans AND Democrats will only feel the damages and the LOSS of our Democracy, as we have known it our entire lives. However, the FOREIGN interests (which are LEGION) in our corporations' "PERSON", are the BIGGEST fingers we will feel on our lives!!

The ONLY thing that got "slaughtered" was our democracy!

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Mitch McConnell is a liar. John Boehner is a liar.

they lie, every day, day after day, week after week, month after month.

I really don't care WHY they lie, even though I know why they do.

They lie because they are self-deluded, semi-conscious, sleepwalking, beyond-cynical, demented, degenerate LAPDOGS for the wealthiest of the wealthy, half of whom don't even WANT the lying GOP / T Party lapdogs help.

You don't 'negotiate' and 'compromise' with degenerate thugs.

Period.

Posted by: StevenK3 | December 6, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This article and the accompanying posts make me so glad I voted Republican up and down the line in November.

Posted by: jibe | December 6, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Greg asked: "Why the left is angry at Obama?"
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I don't believe there is a SINGLE answer to that question. It will vary depending on the lib you ask.

One thing I DO know from experience of having many lib friends; there is NEVER a time when they aren't angry about something (usually attached to a high profile person) happening. It is part and parcel to the lib psyche.

So, Obama is simply the convenient target for the 'anger du jour'...

Posted by: illogicbuster | December 6, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

What the Left misconceives about the "over $1 Million Dollar earners" is that those are single white males driving Ferrari's who can afford to part with another $100K.

The reality is many, if not most, of those high wage earners are small business owners who employ a few people and would have to cut back if their taxes were raised.

The Republicans get this. Economics professors get this.

The Democrats do NOT get this.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | December 6, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse


These leftists still do not grasp why the tax and spend Dims were thrown out of office in the last election just one month ago.

Silly Dims

Posted by: screwjob22 | December 6, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

To HAZMAT77:

The fact of the matter is, the BUSH tax cuts benefitted the wealthy at the cost of our solvency. How many jobs did the tax cuts spur? Did Americans actually do better with said tax cuts? Or did we, along with reckless deregulation, wind up losing?

Not only did we put the debt for these unpaid-for tax cuts on the books, it did nothing for the average American. So, you got a few extra hundred dollars in your pocket or even a thousand or three, if you make more. What difference does that make if you don't have a job now, because of a failed ideology?

They were fundamentally a bad idea, not because it was giving Americans more of their money to spend, but because we would've paid down the debt to zero, if Bush and Republicans hadn't been so reckless and lacking in fiscal discipline. They spent a ton of federal dollars. What did Americans get for it? ANYTHING GOOD TO SPEAK OF? WHAT DID THEY DO FOR US?

That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans - Democrats spend so that average Americans benefit most and the rich still benefit, overall. Republicans reverse that, if they bother to give any benefit to the masses in their spending sprees, period.

Today, however, they are still not fiscally prudent. Letting all the Bush tax cuts expire, would probably be the best thing you could do, fiscally. Neither party wants that. Dems argue that we should only raise the debt/deficit to benefit ALL AMERICANS at $250K, at a tune of $3 tril, which they don't talk about. Republicans want to do so, but leave everything the same as it is, today, $4 tril.

The question is, who needs the most help today, who has been benefitting most for the longest time and doesn't really need help, and who is more likely to spend the money that's being borrowed by the government to support stimulus to the economy? No party is being fiscally responsible, today, even on something as small in the budget as earmarks, Senator Kyl.

It's no coincidence that we had a financial meltdown 2 years ago, with irresponsible people in power, Democrats and Republicans - this coming from a liberal. We didn't even adequately address the home mortgages that were part of the reason for the collapse.

So, the Bush tax cuts didn't do any good for jobs or wealth for the middle class, which was the argument Dems were making at the time. Today, keeping the tax rate the same would allow middle Americans to keep more of the money they make to spend it (we're all in tough spot in one way or another), but also help build a little savings, if and when possible. The richest 2% don't need help, and we shouldn't (to use a Republican talking point) use our kids and grandkids as ATMS to make them comfortable about the realities of today.

I see the Dow is up past 11,000 and businesses just had one of their most successful quarters in American history (if not the most), yet look at where we are as a country. Bailouts worked for them, not us, but we shouldn't raise their taxes?

Posted by: fbutler1 | December 6, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I guess the Unemployed can starve while you folks get your proper way to govern across to real merkins! Cause Ideology is what's important, not human suffering. They can go to food pantries while they wait on expired u/c to arrive. Announce that too Weiner!

Posted by: carolerae48 | December 6, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I am not one of those true believers who say never compromise - but I do insist that if you compromise, you do it well. I think it's clear that the Republican starting point was not all tax cuts extended in perpetuity, it was all tax cuts extended at least temporarily. The details (and admittedly they aren't final yet) of the so-called "compromise" would give the Republicans exactly what they wanted allalong. Throwing in the UI extension is not a give on their part - in fact, it only helps them by taking away an issue that they know they can be hammered on.

Posted by: dwt301 | December 6, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"The argument is that Obama is too quick to signal that compromise, even at great cost, is his paramount goal. This weakens Dems in negotiations with Republicans and emboldens them to hold out for more than they otherwise might be able to secure."

I think what's missing in this discussion is the fact that Obama and the Republicans are typically privy to the conservative/Blue Dog Democratic Senators' positions and moderate Republican Senators' positions prior to any public debate on these issues.

Understanding this point reframes this issue as not one of "capitulation" and "caving," but one of political realities and pragmatism.

Does it make sense to draw lines in the sand when you know those lines have already been crossed? In other words, does it make sense to doom yourself to failure? And does one really look stronger when he consistently draws a line in the sand, makes a very high-profile issue of that line, and then has to retreat, because the votes were not there to pass the proposal?

There's this assumption that if Obama just fights, Senators will fall in line. That's magical thinking. That's not how the Senate works. Senators -- many of whom think they could or SHOULD be president -- are notoriously independent.

This is why I've said that I don't understand the repeated attacks on Obama to "show some backbone" without a corresponding attack on Senators to stand up for the people. Senators are more inclined to respond to bottom-up pressures than top-down pressures.

Oh, and in case you don't believe that drawing a line in the sand only to retreat in the face of opposition can be detrimental, ask Bill Clinton. He issued a veto threat on healthcare. Republicans and conservative Democrats stood their ground, forcing him to retreat. By the time he had retreated though, it was too late. He lost a healthcare bill, got tagged with a true legislative failure, and had perceived political weakness heaped on top of the whole mess. Not smart politics.

Posted by: associate20 | December 6, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

This could also be called "Why the center is angry at Obama."

Posted by: jbn11 | December 6, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I do not like at all the idea of extending the current tax rates to people who are extremely wealthy, defined at the moment as those earning more than $250,000 or by some as those earning in excess of $1,000,000. Either group leaves me out! However I don't see how, with a filibuster happy Republican group in the Senate, this could ever have worked. Add to that the fact that a few Democrats would have broken ranks to support the filibuster and you don't have a prayer of getting action in the Senate to return all rates to their previous levels except those for folks earning $250,000 or less. I think in general that President Obama should get a high five from his "base" for passing some version of health care reform, putting together a deficit commission when Congress would not, and helping chart a way for a report on the DADT policy. Of course this has not been all by a long shot. I frankly lump the Democratic progressive "base" in with the Republicans in that they won't be happy regardless of what President Obama does unless it is exactly what they order. If a candidate emerges in 2012 that hews precisely to the base's demands, then we will probably be inaugurating a Republican in January 2013. Politics is the art of the possible, and many forget that.

Posted by: Cleo6 | December 6, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Greg asked: "Why the left is angry at Obama?"
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Well, if I have two kids and I label one, the bad boy, and cut down everything he does from the time he's born, refusing to acknowledge ANY of his historically amazing accomplishments, OBVIOUSLY everyone I meet is going to see the child I tell them about.

My other child, the crooked, selfish, greedy one is the one who inherited billions from my uncle, so he is my favorite. He can do no wrong. he can cause my estate to be sued for trillions of dollars that he squandered, but I refuse to amonish him for any of it. Whenever he does anything wrong, I overlook it or save him from it, quite like daddy did for little Junior Bush, so he NEVER leanrns anything, but continues to do his greedy, selfish, disastrous things over and over. WHY?? BECAUSE he CAN!!

It's really not so difficult to see, It's on black and white every single place you can find facts. But, most people are too lazy or busy to want to look for facts. Even college educated people have told me "Politics BORES me!" So, instead, they tune in to the entertainers, who LOVE to tell the fairy tales about the bad son, so frequently, actually, that everyone forgets there even is another son, squandering awaay our world. All this simply got magnified since Obama is in office because he followed such an absolute Republican FAILURE who started unprovoked trillion dollar a year wars, gave all his TOP 2% of the country's billionaires TAX CUTS, de-regulated the entire financial indistry for some of his other pals, and DOUBLED the national debt! Among other "trivial" disasters!

But, because politics is "boring", the gullible lazies will believe everything the privately owned entertainment channels and multi-millionaire news entertainers tell them. It's just SO much easier than researching and THINKING!!

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

These leftists still do not grasp why the tax and spend Dims were thrown out of office in the last election just one month ago.

Silly Dims

Posted by: screwjob22
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So that means you're in favor of $4 TRILLION in new federal debt that does not generate new jobs.

There is INVERSE correlation between the Bush tax cuts and job creation. In simple words - Bush tax cuts = fewer jobs.

Posted by: boscobobb | December 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

One should not bargain with bullies. Stand up to them. Show that you are made of sterner stuff. If they attack stand your ground. They will respect you for that. If you submit they will box you around.

Posted by: fasm7700 | December 6, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"screwjob22" is a troll, who only enters conversations when they make a point against the party that pays him. That's why he has such an appropriate moniker.

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

What the Left misconceives about the "over $1 Million Dollar earners" is that those are single white males driving Ferrari's who can afford to part with another $100K.

The reality is many, if not most, of those high wage earners are small business owners who employ a few people and would have to cut back if their taxes were raised.

The Republicans get this. Economics professors get this.

The Democrats do NOT get this.

realtexan
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OK Tex. Where's the evidence of that? I'm a high tech entrepreneur and I can't find any evidence to support your assertion. (btw: you mean to say "can't" not can)

A change of 4-5% tax rate isn't going to cause a small biz owner to hire 3-4 people.

I can find evidence to show an INVERSE correlation to Bush tax cuts and job creation. Bush tax cuts = fewer jobs created.

I assert the data shows higher taxes than current rates lead to higher investment. We are in an low tax, low inflation environment, so investors are able to keep low risk/low reward investments.

Posted by: boscobobb | December 6, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Remembering Harry S. Truman who said negotiate from strength.

Posted by: GPFrank | December 6, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I think the much better solution would have been for Hillary Clinton to win and then have put Obama on the Supreme Court. The country and everyone would be much happier.

Posted by: alantich2000 | December 6, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Willis wrote:

"Why the left is angry at Obama"

"Because they're spoiled children who will never be happy and, no matter what they get, will always demand more, more, more?"

To ask the democrats to show some conviction and spine and not hold the unemployed hostage to accomodate the rich is trying to make them grow UP. Kevin is another blue dog troll.

Posted by: libertyanne | December 6, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Radical liberal elites can only make decisions when they are emotional with anger and rage!

Posted by: rteske | December 6, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

If EVERYONE doesn't "GET" the fact that the Republicans are playing games and politics with URGENT matters because of their OWN selfishness and GREED, they are blind. These obstructionists don't deserve another vote from anyone except the top 2% of the nation that are the root of these infantile games! In the meantime, our nuclear arms treaty with Russia remains UNSIGNED and hundreds of little children will be hungry and sad at Christmastime so that the TOP 2% of our nation, who will NOT be creating any new jobs with their unfair tax cuts (most of which will be accountants' LIES), so they can sit home in their 20 bedroom, 15 bathroom homes, count their money, and fight with their spouse who only married them for their money! They don't understand you can buy votes, but you can't buy LOVE!

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

If EVERYONE doesn't "GET" the fact that the Republicans are playing games and politics with URGENT matters because of their OWN selfishness and GREED, they are blind. These obstructionists don't deserve another vote from anyone except the top 2% of the nation that are the root of these infantile games! In the meantime, our nuclear arms treaty with Russia remains UNSIGNED and hundreds of little children will be hungry and sad at Christmastime so that the TOP 2% of our nation, who will NOT be creating any new jobs with their unfair tax cuts (most of which will be accountants' LIES), so they can sit home in their 20 bedroom, 15 bathroom homes, count their money, and fight with their spouse who only married them for their money! They don't understand you can buy votes, but you can't buy LOVE!

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Weinie boy; you and your ideologues are guilty of the big threee [3] D's;
Dishonesty, deceitfulness and deception!

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This all goes back to my contention a year and a half ago, when the Democrats, despite majorities in both Houses of Congress, splintered over various policy positions and intercine warfare within the party began. The Republicans sat back and laughed, because they were lockstep on every vote, to stop any legislation from passing. By the 2010 elections, the GOP was able to tell enough Americans and get them to believe it, that the Democrats caused the deficits, were responsible for the recession and the 9.6% unemployment and every other ill in this country. The Democrats never got a coordinated response together. Now, instead of recognizing the problem, they continue to want to blame Obama, instead of uniting and putting to use the same techniques the GOP have been using to get what they want out of the legislative process. IF the Democrats don't figure this out very soon, the 2012 elections will be on us and the GOP will win by a landslide and the only people who will have any say so in this country for years to come, will be the GOP and the very rich. The rest might as well be disenfranchised..

Posted by: flyfisher_20750 | December 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

This all goes back to my contention a year and a half ago, when the Democrats, despite majorities in both Houses of Congress, splintered over various policy positions and intercine warfare within the party began. The Republicans sat back and laughed, because they were lockstep on every vote, to stop any legislation from passing. By the 2010 elections, the GOP was able to tell enough Americans and get them to believe it, that the Democrats caused the deficits, were responsible for the recession and the 9.6% unemployment and every other ill in this country. The Democrats never got a coordinated response together. Now, instead of recognizing the problem, they continue to want to blame Obama, instead of uniting and putting to use the same techniques the GOP have been using to get what they want out of the legislative process. IF the Democrats don't figure this out very soon, the 2012 elections will be on us and the GOP will win by a landslide and the only people who will have any say so in this country for years to come, will be the GOP and the very rich. The rest might as well be disenfranchised..

Posted by: flyfisher_20750 | December 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

This format doesn't work as well as the other one WaPo uses. It frequently duplicates posts, sometimes 5 minutes different in posting time, even if only submitted once.

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
The Republicans were in the minority, before, in the Senate.
The Republicans still are the minority in the Senate.
No more deals behind closed doors.
We can't trust the Republicans in public, much less in private!
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | December 6, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

This is absolutely one of the key problems w/Obama. I questioned before the election whether he would be tough enough, personally, to deal with hitting very solid walls of opposition, that would, in effect, slow down his forward momentum.
As Senator Obama, he was constantly winning, advancing, moving forward. He is a visionary, & loves ideas & concepts. I would contend (as I did when I supported Clinton), that as a consensus building politician, he loves to get everyone nice & fuzzy & warm, & keep "winning" when things get tough.
He's been confronted by a hateful, disguised racism/ethnism that is a mask for racial hatred. No other President has been treated this way. There is, I believe, a movement within the GOP that is focused (quite tacitly) on: how can we HUMILIATE THIS MAN? I'd bet there are some who very privately have said it different. More like: how can we humiliate THIS BLACK MAN! WE NEVER want to see another black MAN enter the White House.
There are far too many Southern & Western haters involved for the quiet "N" word to not be part of this discussion. The intent is to humiliate, not just beat him in some game of "you win this time, we lose." The other side ALWAYS WANTS TO WIN ALL THE TIME.
The Republican Party is absolutely bringing home their race-baiting, anti-immigrant trash politics, as "chickens coming home to roost." They are certainly not willing to deal with what might be best for the country, when their Senate Majority leader says:
"My #1 priority is ensuring that Barack Obama is a one term President."
Taking off the article in WaPO about demographic changes, the GOP should pay heed to the changes in the youth vote in the U.S. Immigrants can be courted, as they always have, as future voters. Obama needs to run his comprehensive immigration bill now, right up the nose of Congress.
And, yes, he has to stop giving away key negotiating items. He MUST stand for the Middle Class. It IS a shame he doesn't seem to "get that." I think Clinton would have done better. I support him, but I do have serious concerns that he simply gives away too much, & he does that because he is a consensus seeker who wants to be loved for consensus politics.
As much a white man as a black man, he has had to make this his modus operandi, in order to be accepted in a white dominant culture. That's a shame. He must, must, stand up for all Middle Class Americans, & he must do it in a tougher manner.
The GOP is a despicable bunch of racists, rich defenders, & uncaring (mostly) men, almost entirely, white men & women. They do NOT care about the middle class.

Posted by: zennheadd | December 6, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The lib/dems are composed of several radical factions; far lefties; marxist ideologues; blue dogs and NANCY PELOSI. THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD COBBLE TOGETHER A COALITION OF RADICALS TO DESTROY AMERICA, EVEN SOME OF THE PROGRESSIVES THINK MORE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO MAKE US ANOTHER VENEZUELA. Thank goodness the moderates stopped the commies short.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The saddest part is that there are so many Democrat income people (LESS than $250,000 EACH) who voted FOR these selfish greedy children and AGAINST themselves (and their own families), but STILL haven't figured out their stupidity and gullibility to the fairy tales. They STILL blog their little "haha"s and memorized scripts from their brainwashing, without even having a CLUE what they did or what's happening. But the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks are laughing at them all the way to the bank!

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

maerzie; it is nice to have you back on Earth; the last [4] years your friends[the progressives] have had control of both legislative factions as well as the buffoon in the White House and you nimrods could not get together on this; DO NOT BLAME CONSERVATIVES FOR YOUR IMPOTENCE.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

as I was scrolling down the posts, I swear I caught a glimpse of some one saying Obama has a LOT of GOOD IDEAS? Are you from Kenya or Somalia? This guy has never had a good idea with the exception of taking hundreds of vacations; when he is not in America his damage is controlled. 200 plus years we have struggled with power crazy leaders, the people will always bring the tyrants down.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

LIMBAUGH AND BECK never make or take a position without first documenting their facts and sources. It is something the likes of MSNBC,CNN,ABC,NBC,CBS, NPR have forgotten with their "in the tank" reporting format.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

It's impossible for anyone to REPAIR eight YEARS of Republican disasters in only two years. And yet, gullible fools believed the $4 billion dollars worth of slander, and put them back into Congress to cause more trouble and put the finishing touches on the DEPRESSION they hadn't quite completed! Some of our very best Congress people are gone. Russ Feingold for one, who has been a great gift to Wisconsin politics because he was truly interested and concerned for the people. A millionaire with his own completely selfish agenda spent millions of the money he inherited from his wife's Dad to BUY that seat. I expect he will be a disaster for Wisconsin because he had absolutely no interest in constituents' concerns at all~~~ALL due to the lazy ignorance of gullible voters.

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

welcome to NET NEUTRALITY KIDDIES.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

the question is, does Obama care what the left thinks and feels now that he is POTUS?????

Posted by: ukeman | December 6, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but all the rhetoric is too late. For two years now we have waited for this President to make good on the promises made as a candidate. After 8 years of the contemptible Bush/Cheney administration, America longed for leadership that stood on principle, not a twisted ideology, and Obama seemed to fit the bill.

But, as is pointed out, Mr. Obama places attempts at bipartisanship before policy achievements, despite the fact Republicans have never shown any intention of being bipartisan, no matter what concessions are given. For all the promise of 2008, we have little to show but a few watered down programs that seriously missed their mark after having been relegated to unneeded compromises underwritten by corporate greed.

Frankly, if his administration were a sports team, and Obama the team's leading player, one would ask if he was being paid to throw the championship game.

But if there is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back, the Bush tax cuts are that straw. If Obama signs a bill, allowing the Bush tax cuts to continue in their entirety, for whatever amount of time and for whatever "added benefits", it becomes time for loyal Obama supporters to ask him to withdraw from running in 2012.

Compromise on the tax cuts and Obama has no constituency left. Republicans won't vote for him in any case, Independents are disallusioned, and loyal Democrats will be fed up. After the great victory in 2008, and the promise it held, it is difficult to believe that even the most ardent supporter then will be gullible enough to vote for him once more.

Extend the tax cuts and Obama must make a commitment to get out of the way in time for Democrats to vet and select a candidate who can win in 2012.

Posted by: joachim1 | December 6, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Nailed it! President Obama is the "caveer-in in chief"!

Posted by: DenverChuck | December 6, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Even Joe Scarborough on "Morning Joe?, couldn't believe that President Obama gave in to the Republicans with no fight. He is
shocked! What Obama should have done was to include :1. The Start Treat. 2. DADT
and 3. Extending the unemployment benefits.
Getting just the extension of Unemployment Benefits, is like giving the Republicans
billions of dollars and getting a dime in return! This is not a good compromise. President Obama will hopefully soon understand that the Republicans main issue is to make him a one term president!

Posted by: livenpeace | December 6, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

maerzinski; it is also impossible to reverse 80 years of progressive destructive policies in one [1] election; we will be here for generations to come to stop YOU and your socialist agenda.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I was going to reply to Nobama11 but then I read his post that he thought Russ & Glennie document their prattle. So, why bother. Those two wouldn't know the truth if it came up and bit them on the butt.

I'm not even in the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. But, they've got it right on this one. The Republicans are playing hardball with no bats and the President doesn't even recognize the game.

After two years, he doesn't even realize that Mitch and Johnnie have nothing but bluster. They're simply lying to the American people. They lie out of both sides of their mouths at the same time. And, if they catch themselves telling the truth, they tell another lie just to keep in practice.

Let the tax time limit run out and see what they want to do about restoring the tax cuts to the 98% of the voters. Their owners won't let them.

But, then they're caught out in the sunlight. And,in politics, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Posted by: JohninConnecticut | December 6, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

maerizowski; the only hope you socialist progressives have is for the FCC to reimpose the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE. you can not control intelligent informed citizens without cutting off their access to the truth. Zeig Heil you jackboot perp.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

EVERY Senate Democrat who voted with dixiepublicans on middle class tax cut issue MUST face PRIMARY challenge...ALL.

We will lose some and win some but in each case we will be RID of turncoat scum....

Posted by: project3 | December 6, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

jhonny boy' how about this one; you lower primate potus is on T.V. playing stupid to the fact that he has had [2] tears to cancel the Bush tax table but he is NOW TRYING TO BLAME CONSERVATIVES FOR HIS inability to control his own radical left base. it is a laughfer.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

dixiepublican Sen. McConnell to speaker elect Bohner on tax cut negotiations with the President: "Once again, OBAMA DROPPED THE SOAP."

Posted by: project3 | December 6, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

OUCH; OBAMA'S NUTS JUST GOT CRACKED BY THE REPUBS;; SORRY JOHNIE BOY. WATCH FOX AND GET THE TRUTH YOU MUSHROOM.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

WELL THERE YOU GO; WOW, it took the republicans [1] one month to do what BARRY could not get done in [2] two years; guess who knows how to "getter done". case closed libs; you lost the election and you will lose your soul as we take your marxist program and wipe our backsides on it. Socialism ALWAYS FAILS because you lie.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

That said: The ADULT thing for President to have done on TAX DEAL was to have TAKEN THE DEAL...

However, Pres. Def-Commission is DEAD...no matter WHAT Pres is willing to agree to...

Posted by: project3 | December 6, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

They're angry because they voted for "Shaft" and got "Urkel" instead.

Posted by: jgmann | December 6, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This is one progressive who is done with the democrats and their sellouts of principal. Health care reform was gutted without the public option. The two wars of occupation continue. Employee-free choice will never even come to a vote after being gutted. I will not vote for a party that has no courage to stand on principals again.

If a republican was elected - the tax break for billionaires would have been extended. If a republican would have been elected the wars would continue. If a republican had been elected their would be no public health care option. What's the difference. These are core issues which are being ignored by democrats just another corporate party.

Posted by: davidhp | December 6, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

johnie/maeriski; if your voter base did the following things you might remain a viable political influence. 1.] graduate H.S. and be able to read 2.] stop squirting out fatherless babies for welfare money 3.] get real jobs instead of drug dealing 4.] enter this great country legally 5.] and stay away from government assistance. I know that is a facetious proposal, but it would save your party.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama is dead meat ;hahahahahah he has always been soup now he is a loser du jour.

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Progressive Dems need to Filibuster the bill. This saves face for POTUS yet forces the GOP finally give up something. The American people understand that the GOP is holding everything Hostage to give more money to the Rich.

Posted by: Americacares | December 6, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Say it!! Speak the truth. ..and this IS the truth.

Posted by: SaraTaylor4 | December 6, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I suggest that anyone who thinks the Obama policy platform is socialism is hallucinating. Please read some political theory before making such obviously erroneous statements. President Obama is a liberal...his policy is patently anti socialism...for instance the health plan. If he were a socialist the policy would have been single payer government run (which incidentally is the best way to go)with no private option. Everyone would have access to medical treatment equally...now isn't that a novel concept...equality...one of the things the USA was founded on...along with liberty, democracy, opportunity and rights...but too many Americans are incarcerated...fewer and fewer people are voting, corporatism and concentration of wealth is destroying opportunity, and destruction of rights such as the latest search techniques in airports and sanctioning torture...these are just a sample of the types of policy that destroys countries...a more equal distribution of wealth makes for a healthier society in all ways...and yes that means there is a government of sufficient size to make it function properly...but far be it from me to deprive you of your opportunity to starve to death in your pursuit of the American dream...unfortunately that is all it is...a dream...

Posted by: kmdyson | December 6, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The Millionaire/Billionaire tax cuts that the Republicans are demanding will cost the country more money over the next 10 years than the entire amount appropriated for TARP about which they have screeched incessantly - even though a) only about half of TARP was ever SPENT; b) of the amount spent, over half has already been paid back; and c) on many of the investments to banks and auto industry, it now appears that the taxpayer will actually make a PROFIT.

It does not add to the deficit if you GET IT BACK. The tax cuts, however, are all about reducing revenue. The idea that they will miraculously spur hiring is a fantasy. The tax rates were in place in 2008, no one has hired since then.

That the media does not outline this in simple terms, and the Democrats cannot stand up and state this, illustrates perfectly what is wrong with the Dems. And they will continue to lose until they start defending their overall strategy, as Weiner says.

Posted by: julir7 | December 6, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Americares;; so you would recommend forcing another idea down Americans' throats against their will? Your healthcare bill is rejected by 61% of Americans; your energy proposals are rejected by 65% of Americans; your refusal to extend tax rates is refuted by 62% of Americans; should I continue chairman MOA?

Posted by: Nobama11 | December 6, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is just plain tactically inept, clueless, ridiculous, and helpless.

Why are we shadow boxing with the last administration's TAX CUTS ?? Why doesn't Obama OWN the agenda by proposing a new type of tax cuts JUST FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS ?? Because he's a procrastinator, that's why.

Posted by: systemBuilder | December 6, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Its the lefts fault for not voting in the local elections. This happens all the time--swings back and forth. All the republican do is blame everything on the democrats and dream up their next lie that gullible people will swallow. Republican propaganda is so thick you need boots and shovel to get through it.

Posted by: mac7 | December 6, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

It isn't just the Left who is angry with Obama, but independents as well. Not to mention, that this time around people are just plain angry period.

People are angry at our continued military presence in Afghanistan; at the economy; at the unemployment rate; at the bailouts; at the health care reform; and now at Wikileaks.

What many people and pundits have not said, or said often enough, is that people are sick and tired of Big Government. The approval rating of Congress is lower than George Bush's in his last year of office. We are sick and tired of politicians spend more time running for office than working in our best interests. We are sick and tired of politicians who begin plotting the next election two years down the road, immediately after an election!

It is all too obvious that getting elected is more important than the issues and concerns of the constituents.

Left or right, liberal or conservative, in between or on the fringe, people feel the need for change. That change is not another politician, but new or reformed political parties, perhaps even more than two political parties.

Posted by: pocketnunu | December 6, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Getting back on topic, when Weiner says "Middle class Americans need someone to fight for them.", does he really think that millionaires were the ones to deposit all these new conservatives in congress last November? I honestly believe he and a lot of others are still misreading the last election big time.

Posted by: bdod | December 6, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It seems that Obama is working really hard at becoming a 1 term president. After all that campaign rhetoric about change he is proving to be no different than the rest of these self-serving hacks that are slowly destroying our country.

Rather than working to change a broken system he is consistently reinforcing it whether it be in promoting wars or oppressing the working class and the poor. Why would he give away 24 more months of billions of dollars of tax breaks for a mere 13 months a petty cash for the unemployed? That's not compromise but selling out.

Posted by: inewsmaster | December 6, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

dixiepublican sites like this one obstruct anything really critical of neo-slavers like McConnell and Bohner... on tax reform or anything else...

Post racist comments from dixiecrap but not retorts...

Posted by: project3 | December 6, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

"This is an easy shot for Weiner to take, and it's worth recalling that House Dems punted on their own chance to put the GOP on the spot with a vote on the middle class tax cuts before the election."

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I see this as the time when Dems lost all chance to get anything done. Once they allowed the Reps to get away with this they had no chance to get back to their agenda.

Posted by: OldFogie | December 6, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if the left is angry at Obama? He knows that they aren't going to suddenly vote Palin for President.

Posted by: clawrence12 | December 6, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have just added another adjective to their selfish and greedy reputation. They are unconscionable, which is the lowest of snakes in their extortion of more billions (almost another trillion)tacked onto to their previously caused enormous deficit (in their big cost-cutting rhetoric joke) by using the unemployed and their children as their victims! Such useless vermin!

Posted by: Maerzie | December 6, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

The reason the President does not do what the left wants is that he knows the left is so small and out of step with the public that it doesn't matter. This also is what infuriates the left - that it doesn't matter. Like most political reporting, the conflict attracts attention even if it ultimately makes little difference.

Posted by: Ashland | December 6, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

As an independent who voted for Obama and Jay Inslee (D) I have to agree with the last comment. The left is out of touch. I may or may not vote for Obama in '12. If he goes with the left left and the Re-pubs have a decent candidate forget it leftists. You don't represent the middle class. That is a stupid argument. You represent the party of just give folks everything they want whether we go bankrupt or not. Between Nancy's sellouts to wall street and your idea(?) that you can just keep printing money neither you two or the R's give a good darn about the middle class.

Posted by: Fergie303 | December 6, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

We know why Obama is so slim, the Republicans keep stealing all his lunch money! The 2003 portion of the taxcut bill was passed 51 to 50 in the Senate with Cheney's tie breaking vote but the Dems can't pass anything 58 to 42, makes no sense!

Posted by: bobhett15 | December 6, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so *that's* why we're mad at Obama! Silly me, I thought it was the fact that since taking over congress in 2006 those on the progressive left had been fed an ever-more-risible series of excuses as to why the Dems could do nothing and had to keep voting in lock-step with the Bushies. When we reached the critical juncture of having a Democratic presidency with a substantial majority in congress and a working majority in the senate, what happened? The Dems whimpered even louder and acted like they were the weakest - which they are, in terms of spine.

Perhaps the most evident recent example of this is Eric Holder trawling through the activities of the Bush justice department, including the firing of DAs who wouldn't pursue unjustifiable and proofless cases against democrat candidates. Did he find any wrong-doing on the part of people who used the justice department like a subsidiary of the GOP? Of course not! But when Julian Assange posts all those leaked documents revealing US war crimes, who's suddenly found an urgent need for action, not against those commiting crimes but against the revelation of those crimes? Eric 'wormtongue' Holder!

You have to give it to the christo-fascists, kleptos and conspiracy theorists of the Tea-Party, they sure as hell know how to make the tail wag the dog!

Posted by: Jon61 | December 7, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse


You guys should stop complaining because, one the health care we have now isnt as good as it was supposed to be. also the law has just been signed so give it some time. so if u want to say u have the right to choose tell that to ur congress men or state official. If you do not have insurance and need one You can find full medical coverage at the lowest price check http://ow.ly/3akSX .If you have health insurance and do not care about cost just be happy about it and trust me you are not going to loose anything!


Posted by: mitchellherr | December 7, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Barak Obama is the best president of our Country, as far as his worrk shows under the cicumstances goes,

I hope he will serve his second term happily, God bless us all...........

Posted by: kentiwari | December 7, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd see the day when hard-core liberals become racists!! They clearly don't like the idea of a black president...

Posted by: edmondsonpr | December 7, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

What Mr. Weiner fails to see is: Millions, and I do mean millions of Americans, no longer believe the President, or believe in the President.
The President was and is so un-prepared to lead that it is actually scary. Mr. Weiner accuses the President of caving in, when the things he is "caving" on, are things that never should have been in the battle.
Presdient Obama has been so bent on the distruction of America that finally, yes finally, some of the died in the wool, Democrats have begun to see the hand writing on the wall. Since they are the ones who have been behind every thing the President has done, they are just as responsible for the mess we are in as the President himself. Now, they are seeing 2012, and they are worried about losing their cushy jobs, and the need to save their own backsides.
I firmly believe the President has finally begun to think the same way.

Posted by: Iam4gsus | December 7, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

couple of quick points SpendNo you have a rude awakening coming. First - this election wasn't decided by the votes of millions it was decided by the butts of tens of millions. 40% and more of those who elected Obama in '08 stayed home. Tbaggers and friends beware.

Second you suggest things will be so different in the 112th congress - just wait and see - you handed power back to the same morons who ran up 2/3rds of our national debt. You'll have to excuse me for being dubious about how well that's gonna work.

Oh and for the guy talking about how dems don't understand the tax implications on millionaires - sorry pal but the vast majority of small business people never get to 250k the impact of 4% additional tax on profits beyond 250k is a non factor, any business that is making money and has demand will hire the people necessary to produce. Business aren't hiring right now because there is no demand. There is no demand because the average American is broke. The average American is broke because for decades (thanks Ronnie) we have been loosing ground in real terms.

Posted by: TisforTwit | December 7, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama would do well to remember Harry Truman's statement: "If you give the voters a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, they'll pick the Republican every time."

Posted by: CrankyGeezer | December 7, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

If all you people who are crying now and criticizing the tax cuts deal had gone out and VOTED and given Democrats the Congress then the President would have had the leverage he needs to deal the the terrible Repulicans who want nothing more than to score political points. You all want to get something for nothing. The President seem to always be in the fight by himself. There are even Democrats who constantly oppose decisions he makes.

Posted by: cherylann_36 | December 7, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

If all you people who are crying now and criticizing the tax cuts deal had gone out and VOTED and given Democrats the Congress then the President would have had the leverage he needs to deal the the terrible Repulicans who want nothing more than to score political points. You all want to get something for nothing. The President seem to always be in the fight by himself. There are even Democrats who constantly oppose decisions he makes.

Posted by: cherylann_36 | December 7, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

If all you people who are crying now and criticizing the tax cuts deal had gone out and VOTED and given Democrats the Congress then the President would have had the leverage he needs to deal the the terrible Repulicans who want nothing more than to score political points. You all want to get something for nothing. The President seem to always be in the fight by himself. There are even Democrats who constantly oppose decisions he makes.

Posted by: cherylann_36 | December 7, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I think one thing is clear:

The people that have been pushing Obama is the "radical socialist Kenyan" stories are probably insane AND stupid AND drug addicted AND were touch inappropriately as children AND probably have some sort of brain parasite.

They aren't just wrong, they are walking biohazards.

Don't let them bite you!

Arm yourself with a crowbar, destroy the brainstem.

Posted by: BurfordHolly | December 7, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Liberals and the main stream media never give Obama the credit he deserves for policies that saved the world economy from catastrophe. Were he given the credit due him, his recent dealing would seem small potatoes.

Posted by: LRedBeam | December 7, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

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