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Posted at 4:38 PM ET, 01/ 5/2011

Sarah Palin proves lying can be very effective

By Greg Sargent

Some folks on the right are excited about an article in The New York Times today reporting that the Obama administration, in a sudden shift, has decided to nix those fabled "death panels":

The Obama administration, reversing course, will revise a Medicare regulation to delete references to end-of-life planning as part of the annual physical examinations covered under the new health care law, administration officials said Tuesday.

The Times bluntly notes that politics helped drive the Obama administration's decision, because the "renewed debate over advance care planning threatened to become a distraction" to the administration's campaign pushing back on the House GOP's push to repeal health reform.

And so conservatives are approvingly pointing to the Times pice as evidence that Sarah Palin, the primary author of the "death panel" formulation, "won" this debate. The New York Sun went so far as to suggest that the nixed provision be renamed "the Palin patch."

Amusingly, however, the very same Times article that's being widely cited by conservatives today also contains a delicate reminder that Palin's "death panel" formulation, which was echoed by conservatives and Republicans for months, is a flat out lie:

During debate on the legislation, Democrats dropped a somewhat similar proposal to encourage end-of-life planning after it touched off a political storm. Republicans said inaccurately that the House version of the bill allowed a government panel to make decisions about end-of-life care for people on Medicare.

It's an interesting and rather revealing definition of "victory."

By Greg Sargent  | January 5, 2011; 4:38 PM ET
Categories:  Health reform  
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Comments

What a sick **** that woman is

Posted by: DDAWD | January 5, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

But she didn't prove lying can be very effective.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 5, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin never said that the House version of the bill allowed a government panel to make decisions about end-of-life care for people on Medicare. In fact, she used her son Trig as one example of what could happen (and he's not even covered by Medicare).

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Can I borrow trig? I'd like to use him to score some political points.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 5, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a disgusting vulgar pig.

What a waste of print, or 1's and 0's.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 5, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

awesome -- the one part of PPACA that I actually liked.

the lack of end-of-life planning is such a tragedy. and i see it all the time. any idea how awful it is to come across some 90 year-old without a DNR? gather around family, and watch the medics break gramps ribs while I start compressions and my partner jams a tube down this throat.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | January 5, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually it was pollster Frank Luntz that coined the phrase 'death panel' not Palin.

Posted by: Hawaiian_Gecko | January 5, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Who cares that dropping this provision will cause unnecessary suffering for countless families every year so long as Palin "won" the political argument! Yay!

Posted by: schrodingerscat | January 5, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

For those who think she is the one lying, please point out said lie:

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, , she was quoting Luntz as well as one of Obama's own top health care advisors.

And, shrink2, I doubt that she would let you borrow Trig.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The first part of that post was directed to Hawaiian_Gecko.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"For those who think she is the one lying, please point out said lie"

It would be much easier and require less words if you could just point out what exactly in her statement is true....other than the fact that she's got parents and a baby.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | January 5, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"What a waste of print, or 1's and 0's."

Don't forget the key strokes, oh the electrons, it is all so tragic.

This is why I can't wait for the Republican bosses to tell their 2012 political dancing partners they get the job.

This time they won't let someone like Kristol get a crush. But it is going to be fun to see who does get to choose and how they crush their rivals in turns. Political purges are sickening, filthy and degrading. I hope this one is repugnant, repulsive, reckless and vile.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 5, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

More journolister spin from WaPo. In fact, Gov. Sarah Palin does not lie. She understood what "Obamacare" was all about, and she voiced her concerns. She warned us; and, she was right, as time & events have proven.

Posted by: bubbasouth | January 5, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

OT:

Diane Swonk, chief economist at Mesirow Financial, says the ADP numbers suggest the Bureau of Labor Statistics could report Friday that the economy created more than 300,000 jobs last month.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haRsE2EVJKmtrOi2hg7KaBf8RY8w?docId=046b46e42a314cfb9abef493a7cfb2e9

Posted by: Ethan2010 | January 5, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I think bubbas from the south support Mrs. Palin, but what do I know.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 5, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Her own grandchild is covered under the Native American version of Medicare since her daughter is part Inuit. Hey no objection from her there.

Posted by: MerrillFrank | January 5, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Bubbasouth, I'm falling down laughing. Palin doesn't lie? When? Or maybe you just mean that she (and you apparently) have such a sophmoric, simplistic view of things that her perpetual misunderstanding of the facts and her laughably false restatements of her ignorance are somehow "truth"....

Posted by: soundpam | January 5, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"But it is going to be fun to see who does get to choose and how they crush their rivals in turns. Political purges are sickening, filthy and degrading. I hope this one is repugnant, repulsive, reckless and vile.

Posted by: shrink2"

God, I hope it will be more interesting than the RNC Chair debate. And with the 2012 nomination, it won't be a matter of picking on the black guy either.

At least Romney has been taken out of the equation with his tyrannical signing of the Massachusetts Obamacare Law.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 5, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"In fact, Gov. Sarah Palin does not lie."

Bwahahahahahaha!

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/the-odd-lies-of-sarah-palin-a-roundup.html

That was from a year ago. I believe the number is actually up to 50 at this point.

"She warned us; and, she was right, as time & events have proven."

Really? You have documented proof of children with DS being taken before panels of bureacrats and being denied healthcare?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | January 5, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

@claw-

Palin receives a "pants on fire" rating from politifact for that quote: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/aug/10/sarah-palin/sarah-palin-barack-obama-death-panel/

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | January 5, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Tom Porcelli, U.S. Economist, RBC Capital:

"You cannot ignore the strength of this report. As a consequence of this report we are taking our payrolls estimate higher for sure. Small business continues to add jobs. With small business now beginning to start to ramp up hiring, it's safe to feel better about the labor backdrop."

Now that the recovery is picking up the lagging indicators (housing will be last, since its securitzation (oh, what a word said the witch) was at the center of the economic collapse), Democrats will have to stay on message and on the offensive. But there is no chance of that happening, ask Tim Kaine.
January 5, 2011 9:14 AM

Posted by: shrink2 | January 5, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

ChuckinDenton, the problem with Politifact (among many) is that she never claimed those exact words in the proposed legislation as of August 10, 2009. Did you even read about the REGULATIONS developed thereafter in the New York Times article that you are supposedly commenting on? Do you know who Dr. Emanuel is? Palin was predicting what would happen and, unless the Republicans can pass veto-proof repeal, I think it will still happen.

schrodingerscat, it's all true (I thought I had made that fairly clear). Allow me to re-post the quite again, and you tell me what is her knowingly telling a lie:

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's your lie, fool:

Obama's "death panel"

Posted by: Ethan2010 | January 5, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Clawrence : There was never a "death panel" & never "a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care". It's ALL a lie that was dreamed up in Palin's airhead. The "panels" were never to tell people what they had to do, only to inform people of their rights & options which is often times NOT told to them under the current system. Exactly OPPOSITE of the lies that Palin, Limbaugh & their ilk are spreading. Man I wish you idiots would read something once in a while!

Posted by: soundpam | January 5, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

NoVAHockey wrote:

"the lack of end-of-life planning is such a tragedy. and i see it all the time. any idea how awful it is to come across some 90 year-old without a DNR? gather around family, and watch the medics break gramps ribs while I start compressions and my partner jams a tube down this throat."

So in other words everyone has to have a DNR order? That sounds something like a death panel thinking to me. This is exactly the kind of stuff that scares me about all socialized medicine, including Obamacare. If Gramps wanted a DNR, he could have signed one. If didn't, it is a reasonably good sign that he wanted resuscitation.

Almost ten years I ran into this siituation with my 92 year old father. He never signed a DNR order. And I was being pressured make that decision for him. I am proud that I did not. He was in the hospital and stopped breathing. The medical staff tried resusitation, but, unfortuately, it was unsuccessful.

I don't see any tragedy in using the same life saving techniques on someone 92 years old that you would use on someone 22 years old.

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Posted by: herlick | January 5, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Ethan, I dispute that I am the fool, but I will stop short of accusing you of lying about that. Just because you think that's an impossibility does not make it a "lie" any more than JFK lied by calling for us to "go to the moon." Now, if you could prove that she thinks it is an impossibility, but nonetheless lied about that, then you'd be on to something.

soundpam, did YOU ever read Dr. Emanuel's article on making subjective judgments of patients "level of productivity in society"? She is quoting him, not the proposed legislation (which, as the article states, finally had the end-of-life counseling language stricken only to see REGULATIONS putting that right back in).

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

you tell me what is her knowingly telling a lie
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Well, claw, now she has to *knowingly* tell a lie, as opposed to just telling lies.

Bwahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!

You're so transparent.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 5, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin, part-time Governor of Alaska, is angry because Michele Obama is encouraging kids to eat healthy. Sarah Palin believes the government shouldn't tell us what to do. Sarah Palin believes she should tell us what to do." —David Letterman

Posted by: Liam-still | January 5, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

""Last night on 'Sarah Palin's Alaska,' the Palins went white water rafting with a guide named Mudflap. It was such an odd name Sarah Palin asked, "Are you sure you're not one of my kids?" —Jimmy Fallon

Posted by: Liam-still | January 5, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of the asinine conversation about whether Christine O'Donnell lied about going to Oxford. Claw was then regaling us with parsing like, well, she didn't say she went *to* Oxford, maybe she drove *by* Oxford, or some such bravo sierra.

Now, it's all about Sarah just quoting someone else, or she didn't *really* mean something or other.

Get real, claw. Sarah lied and Christine lied. All your dancing around is laughable.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 5, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Needless to say, those late-night comedians are just joking and not accurately reporting what she believes or said.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

""Sarah Palin is angry that Michelle Obama is suggesting that parents encourage their kids to eat healthy. Palin thinks that if we have healthy children, the terrorists have won." —David Letterman

Posted by: Liam-still | January 5, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

12BarBlues, I never said that driving by Oxford would qualify as listing said school under "Education." As you well recall, Ms. O'Donnell indeed took a summer course at Oxford.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/happy_hour_roundup_159.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 5, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

As you well recall, Ms. O'Donnell indeed took a summer course at Oxford.
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You never give up. According to you, taking a summer course given by someone else than Oxford, but held in their building, qualifies you to put Oxford down under your "Education".

999 people out of 1000 would consider that a lie, but not you.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 5, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

for Clawrence:
You claim Palin doesn't lie. How about when she stated (on her Alaskan show) that she just made a 'typo' on Tweeter when she wrote the word refudiate. That sounds okay except for the FACT (something she avoids every thim she opens her pie hole) that she SAID the non-word 'refudiate' shortly before her tweeter post. And like someone pointed out the "f" and the "p" are not even close on a keyboard. LOL
THEN to uphold her snarky, foul mouthed daughters for their display on Facebook, she said they were defending their brother Trigg. The people they were writing nasty stuff to NEVER mentioned Trigg. That was just another case of that "Grizzly MaMa" using her challenged child to make excuses for bad behavior.

Posted by: CorrineK | January 5, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

herlick:
"So in other words everyone has to have a DNR order? That sounds something like a death panel thinking to me. "

Normally when you say "in other words" what follows is a restatement of the previous person's words. Interesting that you buck this convention and substitute your own straw man that sounds much worse so you can inveigh about how scary socialized medicine is.

Show me one country with universal health care that requires its citizens to have DNRs. Just one. There are over a dozen. Sweden? France? Canada? Nope.

Instead, maybe that person was saying that it is tragic when someone too frail to survive CPR anyway is forced to undergo the process because no one thought to ask them "if your heart stops, do you want us to break your ribs trying to restart it?" Instead of some terrible imposition by government we ensure that everyone gets the chance in advance to express their choice over what treatments they should receive when they are unable to speak.

For obvious reasons most children are shy about asking their parents this sort of question so if it is going to happen, doctors are the only ones who will raise the topic.

Sane, reasonable and mitigating the agony of our final days on this world. Entirely humane. No wonder Sarah Palin is opposed to it.

Posted by: Scientician | January 5, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

CorrineK, did you mean "Twitter", "time" and "Trig"? Were those LIES or just a typo?

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Clawrence is besotted with Granny Palin. He even drags his wife around to the Palin Palm Readings .

If Palin did not have that aging beauty contestant look, Clawrence would not cross the street to hear her scatterbrained utterances.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 5, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Not true, Liam-still. I would have dragged my wife to see Margaret Thatcher speak too. I did drag my son to see Ronald Reagan casket as well.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought exercise for ya. If Sarah Palin looked like Barbara Bush, what would her current position be within the GOP?

Posted by: willows1 | January 5, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"soundpam, did YOU ever read Dr. Emanuel's article on making subjective judgments of patients "level of productivity in society"? She is quoting him, not the proposed legislation"

Interesting that you would say that because she doesn't use Dr. Emanuel's name in the Facebook posting in question until two paragraphs down from the quote. Instead she references Thomas Sowell but doesn't link to any specific article of his. So, it's next to impossible to determine who exactly she is quoting. You would think that one of the five universities she attended would've taught her how to reference source material. Go figure.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | January 5, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

With a party in power that drew up that Obamacare that no one has even read; with Obama appointed czars that love George Bernard Shaw and likely advocates some form of Eugenics is it any wonder that Sarah would be concerned for her DS child.
Especially when you wonder what Obama was implying here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo
What Sarah said is implying that any such end of life discussion might be opening a door to what could be tantemount to death panels.
Try applying for Soc. Sec. Disability and no matter what your doctor has said and written down about you the case goes before a panel of bureaucrats in Washington that almost always deny the claim until you hire a lawyer...then all of a sudden it gets approved.
Loads of poor people die every year because their Medicare/Medicaid does not cover surgeries that could save their lives.
What Palin implied (not lied) was that there is need to worry about the party that advocates some form of eugenics that would be in charge of our elderly's health care.

Posted by: ParkerRules | January 5, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"What Palin implied (not lied) was that there is need to worry about the party that advocates some form of eugenics that would be in charge of our elderly's health care."

Name one person in the Democratic party that advocates eugenics. One. And don't say Dr. Emanuel because that's a ridiculous lie spread by the right-wing noise machine.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | January 5, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought exercise for ya. If Sarah Palin looked like Barbara Bush, what would her current position be within the GOP?

Posted by: willows1 | January 5, 2011 7:14 PM |
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Hell,

We do not have to even compare her to Barbara Bush.

We can compare her to Lisa Murkowski, who is not a bad looking women, and did not quit, and never stopped fighting to be reelected.

When it comes to Republican female politicians from Alaska, Senator Murkowski is ten times more accomplished than than Quitter Granny Grizzly. Palin threw all she had at her, to try and knock her out, but could not. but of course Senator Murkowski does not have that small town aging beauty pagent contestant look, that creepy old right wingers like.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 5, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"Not true, Liam-still. I would have dragged my wife to see Margaret Thatcher speak too. I did drag my son to see Ronald Reagan casket as well. "

Reagan was a fellow dimwit, but Thatcher had a degree in chemistry and was a barrister. She could speak coherently and didn't need to invent words. She understood and accepted the science behind human caused global warming. She was an awful PM who did Britain and the world a lot of harm but I still won't sit here and let you smear her by comparing her to Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Scientician | January 5, 2011 7:50 PM | Report abuse

schrodingerscat, I wasn't aware that Facebook had such stringent footnote requirements. Seriously, though, a quick Google search of what she put in quotes would have given you Dr. Emanuel's article, not Sowell. BTW: Peter Singer is a Democrat who advocates eugenics. At least you aren't one of those claiming she should have aborted Trig or, worse yet, that she lied about giving birth to him : )

willows1, does your hypothetical include her thinking like Mrs. Bush?

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Scientician, I didn't so much "compare" her to Lady Thatcher as I said that I would still go to see her speak if she looked like Lady Thatcher. See the distinction?

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

She was an awful PM who did Britain and the world a lot of harm but I still won't sit here and let you smear her by comparing her to Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Scientician | January 5, 2011 7:50 PM
..............................

Of course; to be fair to Clawrence, he did compare The Granny Grizzly to a corpse.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 5, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"BTW: Peter Singer is a Democrat who advocates eugenics."

Really? I see a lot of hyperbole about his views, but not a lot on his support for eugenics. He may have some controversial views on life and bioethics but that doesn't necessarily equate to eugenics, does it? Regardless, last I knew, Peter Singer is not in charge of elderly care for the Obama administration.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | January 5, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I allegorically refudiate the flustrating nasturtium that lying can be very invective.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 5, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

First of all, your challenge was to name ONE Democrat, not limited to those in charge of elderly care for the Obama administration.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"First of all, your challenge was to name ONE Democrat, not limited to those in charge of elderly care for the Obama administration.

Agree. (Although, I still have yet to see proof that Mr. Singer is, in fact, a eugenics supporter).

Posted by: schrodingerscat | January 5, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Or, that he is a Democrat ; )

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 5, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I got married, I'm a eugenics supporter. Hybrid vigor!

The Nazis (Klank! that was my Sacajawea dollar in the Godwin jar)
were so stupid they thought inbreeding degenerates with political pedigrees was a good brand. I won't tell you what Goering said of Himmler's face as it relates to the master race.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 5, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

She is already the shadow president if she can force the de facto president to add or delete things from bills and programs. Mr. Obama would be wise to ask Vice President Biden to resign, appoint Governor Palin as VP and then resign.

Posted by: sandbear | January 5, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

So I guess it is just fine with most of the posters here that people are dying in Arizona because good Governor Brewer has denied access to life saving transplants to those without insurance. So far, two people have died, not because organs were not available, but because Brewer denied them coverage for the surgery. Brewer denied them coverage...Jan Brewer is now the Arizona death panel...all by herself. I find that far scarier than an imagined federal panel that the right decided would be making life and death decisions for the entire country, which IS a lie. All the original legislation said was that TALKS between an elderly person and their own doctor would be a covered benefit. Geez...Palin herself advocated the same thing in Alaska, and that was fine with all of you.
As far as Trig, he gets all kinds of money from the government, just like any other handicapped American. Plus he gets native Alaskan health care since Todd is part whatever. Tripp too. So don't get on your bandwagon about no government health care for anyone. Just where are people supposed to get health care if they are not fortunate enough to work for a major company?

Posted by: smgess | January 6, 2011 3:50 AM | Report abuse

Massachusetts.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 6, 2011 8:02 AM | Report abuse

@schrodingerscat: Ok, so Dr Emanuel doesn't advocate a form of eugenics and it is a lie about him...how do you explain this:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60137-9/abstract
...and if you cannot get that is scary then I suppose what I take from this discussion that did not put my mind to ease is also hyped up:
Paul Krugman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aogCaGv9i78&feature=player_embedded

a sports star was playing temporarily over in England, got hurt, went to the ER and they would not fix the injury because they said it was not covered. When he told them he would pay they laughed and asked, "Who are you gonna pay..any medical service you get is free and that one is not covered."

...and wasn't Obama, himself, suggesting rationing health care for the elderly when he answered this lady about her 95 year old mother that had surgery:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo

...All this massive take over is a way of nudging us into Universal Health Care system and what Obama himself has stated is his agenda and that is what Kathleen Sebelius has planned also for a long time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOyNCnN3NRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-_SGGcJu_c

What I don't get about you crazies who so advocate Universal Health Care is what happens to you, yourself, when it is your mother that is denied surgery that her doctor says that will help her to live even 5 years longer. There is already a panel of bureaucrats that approve or dissapprove such medical care for our seniors on a board with Social Security but at least if you can find funding for it you can at least get the surgery anyway by finding benefactors that will fund the surgery. Universal Health Care shuts down any such outside provision. Once the panel says no there is no way you are going to get what your own doctor says you need.
Right now there are clinics all over America in almost every community that provide health care on a sliding scale for those whose medical insurance has been cancelled. I get my health coverage that way. The Community Health Care clinic I go to even has a dental clinic and reduced pharmacy with it. My BP meds cost me only $18 per month.
There are things that can be done without nudging us into some Universal Health Care system that will demolish the greatest health care system in the world.
My work history includes working with public assistance for the Aged, Blind, and Disabled and also from working in Hospitals to obtain help thru various resources for those that could not afford needed health care.


Posted by: ParkerRules | January 6, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

She is already the shadow president if she can force the de facto president to add or delete things from bills and programs. Mr. Obama would be wise to ask Vice President Biden to resign, appoint Governor Palin as VP and then resign.

Posted by: sandbear | January 5, 2011 10:56 PM

................................

The President can not remove a VP, and Joe Biden is no quitter. Palin is the one who could not stand the heat of the job, in the coldest state in the Union.

I can see why you are a supporter of her's. You both are as thick as bricks.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 6, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

As for Palin's statement she knew what Obama's agenda has been is to nudge us into a Universal Health Care system as he has stated himself. She knew that there is going to be a panel of bureaucrats as there is already with Soc. Sec./Medicare/Medicaid that your own doctor has to submit for approval for pay.
If this panel of bureaucrats decide "NO" then what is a person's alternative? If this is the only "hope" out there for your loved one then what...if it is life and death that bureaucratic panel has just chosen "death" for you or your loved one....
So how is what she said considered a lie?

There are already things that can save a person's life that is on Medicare or even Medicaid that gets denied every day ...yet there are so many other resources even "drives for funds" that can be obtained or set up to get that needed surgery that Medicare/Medicaid will not pay for...but with this Obamacare it is a backdoor way of setting up limited options for these and other people...
It is definitely tantemount to being or becoming a DEATH PANEL.

I can hear so well in the back of my mind, the kind, fatherly, intellectually brilliant, scholarly George Bernard Shaw say: "Ah, fear not I will put an end to your suffering now...just let's get a shower first...step right here..that's right"...all the while smiling with such compassion."

I wish someone would put out a map like they do for perverts of all you who favor this type thinking ..all you who favor anything, everything so blindly that is anti-Republican as if all of you are somehow intellectually superior and more compassionate for the less fortunate even though it is a proven fact that Republicans give more to charity than a Democrat.
If I had such a map I would never let my kids play with your kids nor have anything to do with you. You people scare me! So glad you such a minority.

It takes the massive black population that you want on welfare rolls dependent on you, and now the hispanic illegal aliens that you want to depend on you to get even one of you pseudo-intellectuals elected. You prey off the less fortunate keeping them under thumbs to somehow feel superior.

Of course you only care for Democratic voting hispanics or blacks but could care less for the less fortunate if they are Republican and any white Republican that is less fortunate they are simply trailer trash.

Obama, Biden, and McCain earned more than Sarah Palin in 2008 and yet she paid more to charities than all three.

If Obama cares so much ...he is worth millions and exactly how has he helped his own family that is in poverty in Kenya. Why was his aunt in NY that is on welfare never even been invited to the White House? Why is she on welfare and he has millions?

You call Republicans racist and the Tea Party racist because any rally is predominantly white. It is predominantly white because 95% of all blacks vote Democratic and the few blacks that would come get beat up by SEIU black members.

Posted by: ParkerRules | January 6, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Who do you trust more......Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, President Obama, Sarah Palin??...The chose is easy. Palin is not perfect but what politician is perfect? I trust Palin more than any elected official today! Show me I'm wrong!

Posted by: bill5062 | January 6, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Who do you trust more......Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, President Obama, Sarah Palin??...The chose is easy. Palin is not perfect but what politician is perfect? I trust Palin more than any elected official today! Show me I'm wrong!

Posted by: bill5062 | January 6, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still...You call Palin supporters thick, hmm? Guess I do need to lose a few pounds. (hilariously laughing).. Since I qualify as a Mensa member I will gladly challenge you to any I.Q. test or compare my academics to yours or even compare my resume with yours. I was working for the World Bank at age 20 and had a thesis regarding world hunger published at age 22 and thankfully have lived long enough to see some of my ideas implemented in various parts of the world.
Sarah accomplished all she set out to do in just two years...all that Alaskans had tried and failed to do since they became a state. If she can balance the budget with surplus of the 6th wealthiest states in the US resulting in Alaska becoming only one of 4 states in the US that is NOT IN THE RED...and all in just two years...I want to see what she can do to undo all that the Obama that Soros built has done that is driving our nation into a banana republic.
You think that calling her a quiter somehow diminishes her amazing accomplishments as Governor of Alaska? No, you just hoped that all the tactics of all the frivilous lawsuits bogging down her office so much so that she couldn't get any work done, costing the state and her personally millions of dollars to defend would shut her up and remove any power she had. Yet like a Phoenix she rose above it all making millions and just tweeting in a few characters with all the Washington elite hopping everytime she says "Jump".
Why? Because she doesn't matter, because she is a quitter, because she is stupid, because she doesn't read,?? ...No because all your mockery hasn't worked.

She is driven by her ideas and All American ideals not fame and fortune as you so want people to believe. You think that she doesn't read because of the Katie Couric interview? No you know she reads ...you may know for a fact that she is an avid reader...you just want to mock her, belittle her and make others who may not know how bright she is to think less of her. It just isn't working! Before being picked as VP, she already had 5 Op-Eds published in major publications including the NY Times. She at least read those 5 publications doncha think?
Guess you never saw a documentary in which her Dad said she was reading the headlines of newspapers at age 5. Her Dad said that he placed the TV in an unheated part of the house to encourage his kids to read and also said she was always an avid reader.
Besides what teacher do you know that doesn't do everything to educated his own kids. Both of Sarah's parents were teachers.
Did you know that Kay Cashman, the publisher and executive editor of Petroleum News, wrote the book entitled: "Sarah Takes On Big Oil".
Why judge Sarah on interviews done during the McCain campaign? McCain's handlers had given her cue cards for all her answers and told not to be specific & yet Couric kept pushing her..What in "All of them, any of them that have been in front of me thru the years" means that she does not read?Duh

Posted by: ParkerRules | January 6, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

@CorrineK: "You claim Palin doesn't lie."...about calling "refudiate" a typo. How trivial and nitpicking that whole issue is! It is a "typo" if you are multitasking as she is always doing, thinking she is going to use the word "refute", gets interrupted and thinks she has decided on "repudiate" instead and actually accidently combined the two. That also could be called a typo.It has nothing to do with the position on the keyboard of those two letters.
I constantly type "their" when I am suppose to use "there" not because I don't know the proper usage but because I just don't catch it.I consider it a typo because I most definitely know the difference.
..."daughters..on Facebook, she said they were defending their brother Trigg. The people they were writing nasty stuff to NEVER mentioned Trigg. That was just another case of that "Grizzly MaMa" using her challenged child to make excuses for bad behavior."
Again, WRONG! You think that because you read the screenshotted version "after" the previous postings had been deleted.. they were on the boys wall and you would have had to be his friend on Facebook to read his comments to them on his wall. After all the hoopla even they were deleted. But for a few days there the screenshots of his page of comments were posted online and he was indeed viciously ridiculing Trig and mocking Bristol as being fat. It was so mean that I wanted to crawl thru my computer and slap him upside the head.

You nitpick the outside of a cover and never open the book to read what is inside. ...so anxious you are to mock and make fun.
Most of you anti-Palins could be accused of cyberbullying if the Palins were not famous and therefore considered fair game.
Leave the kids out of it unless you want someone to attack with like comments Obama's kids.
You are still all like a pack of hyennas...just evil to the core!

Posted by: ParkerRules | January 6, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

ParkerRules - I completely agree with all your comments. Way to go!
I used the wrong word in my comment. I should have stated "choice" not "chose." I know exactly what you mean by thinking and typing you may "choose" the wrong word.
Have you noticed how silent the left has become when you use facts.

Posted by: bill5062 | January 6, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The New York Sun went so far as to suggest that the nixed provision be renamed "the Palin patch."
Much like Obama's Healthcare plan is a pure lie, but as Pelosi said "we must pass this thing so everyone will know whats in it.
Tell us what else we don't know that's in Obamacare.

Posted by: jhnjdy | January 6, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

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