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Posted at 2:18 PM ET, 01/18/2011

Do Americans really want health law fully repealed?

By Greg Sargent

Paging all polling experts...

It's becoming more and more obvious that polling on whether the public supports repeal of health reform turns very, very heavily on the question wording. Specifically: Polls that offer a straight up choice -- do you support full repeal, or do you support letting the law stand as is? -- show more support for repeal.

But polls that take a finer-grained approach by offering a range of options, including partial repeal and expanding the law, find less support for doing away with it entirely.

Two new polls in the former category -- a straight choice -- came out today. Quinnipiac finds that people favor repeal over letting the health bill stand, 48-43. CNN finds that people want full repeal by 50-42.

But when people are offered a broader set of choices, opinion shifts. The Associated Press released a poll this weekend finding that 43 percent want the law changed so it does more, versus only 26 percent who want it fully repealed. A Marist poll last week found the same, with 35 percent wanting the law expanded versus 30 percent who want it scrapped completely.

This pattern now seems obvious. How to explain it? One possibility is that while there's no quibbling with the fact that health reform is unpopular, there are many differing reasons why people don't like the law. When people are given the opportunity to tell pollsters that they don't think the bill is ambitous enough, a third or more of Americans do just that. Another chunk of voters says there are some problems with the bill, and it needs to be partially scaled back. Result: The sum total calling for full repeal drops sharply.

But when they are given only a straight up choice -- keep the bill as is, or get rid of it -- the number who opt for blowing it up is considerably higher. This probably reflects a high degree of frustration with the current law, but it seems to exaggerate the depth of support for doing away with reform completely.

At bottom, this discrepancy probably signals that public opinion on the new law is complicated, that it is not monolithic on either side, and that it is volatile and remains in flux. In other words, there's plenty of room on both sides to make gains in the war over repeal, which is expected to drag on for months, or even years. At any rate, this pattern now seems pretty clear, and I'd love to hear some polling guru types take a crack at explaining it.

UPDATE, 2:32 p.m.: Relatedly, a CNN poll from December found that 54 percent oppose the law, but of that number, 13 percent said they oppose it because it's "not liberal enough."

And still more grist for this discrepancy: When Gallup polled recently on a straight choice -- full repeal, or letting the law stand -- a plurality, 46 percent, supported repeal.

UPDATE, 11:32 a.m.: We now have still more evidence of this pattern: The new Post poll asks those who already oppose the health reform law if they favor full repeal. Only 33 percent say Yes; 35 percent say they want partial repeal; and 30 percent want to wait and see. Again, that's the breakdown of those already against the law.

By Greg Sargent  | January 18, 2011; 2:18 PM ET
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Do they? Nope.

OT but Rubin, your collegue is a liar.

Ruben said of a meeting:

"Is a Time magazine cover story that asserts Jews in Israel only care about money or another article that analogizes the current climate in Israel to fascism in the 1930′s over the line? [Rosenthal] said without hesitation, “That is absolutely over the line.” Those types of assertions, she said, “are made by people who do not know history or misread history.“"

According to Rosenthal, Rubin blatantly misrepresented Rosenthal’s comments as a condemnation of specific articles Rosenthal made clear she hadn’t read."

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/18/rubin-rosenthal/

Way to go WaPo for hiring a serial liar.

She needs to go back to HumanEvents where blatant misrepresentation of peoples positions is the norm.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 18, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Why haven't you banned Ricky Gervais yet?

Posted by: Liam-still | January 18, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

yup, saw that, Mike :)

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 18, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Why haven't you banned Liam for participating in the smear campaign against an innocent person, attempting to link them to a mass murder?

That HAS to be against the rules.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Republican Assault Upon Medical Assistance.

Acronym: TRAUMA

John Boehner; The Weeping TRAUMA Queen.

He turns on the faucets, when ever he passes a Halmark Store, but his eyes remain dry as a skeleton's in Death Valley, when he strives to inflict TRAUMA on millions of poor sick Americans, who keep losing their life savings and homes, trying to pay medical bills.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 18, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Why haven't you banned Jennifer Rubin yet? :o)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 18, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Remember the advice, Greg. Shoot down. Rubin's entertaining, but she seems so compelled to comment on everything that she lets slip some extremely silly views. For example, going after Michelle Obama for picking childhood obesity as a signature issue. She didn't see the obvious hypocrisy in not critiquing Laura Bush for picking childhood literacy as a signature issue.

On the plus side, you'll have driven some traffic her way. As Cillizza would say, congrats or something.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 18, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

How about this thought Greg.

I know we're in the new era of civility which I support but if civility cuts honest observations...observations without personal attack...anyway to put it charitably...
An incredibly large number of Americans don't know their backsides from their heads when it comes to health care policy.

Whenever I've been accosted by righties on HCR is begin by saying before we start a few questions just to gauge the depth of your reading and knowledge on the subject.

1.) Could you explain the difference between single payer and socialized health care.

2.)Are you aware that our country has not only private coverage but also single payer and socialized medicine?

3.) Can you identify those three systems as they presently exist in our society...name them please.

4.) Of the three can you identify which system in OUR nation is currently producing the best results...medical outcomes..patient satisfaction...cost containment.

Most of you can "probably" answer those questions correctly...but I'll be some of you can't. In addition the sample base of the PL includes people actively involved in our political process who should therefore be better informed perhaps than the populace at large. Try this question around the water cooler at work with your apolitical friends...and even some who claim to be political but don't know their rear ends (TPers on Medicare shouting get Gov't out of my healthcare...fine simply give up your Medicare)

In conclusion an ignorant populace is easy to manipulate with clever soundbites that may have nothing to do with reality but sound pithy but are actually a load of hooey. And so the populace swings back on forth on the swing of those soundbites.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 18, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm really baffled why any one would support full repeal. Oh, wait, I take that back. Of course those that support full repeal do so because they've believed the lies and distortions coming out of the GOP hacks.

I suspect once people start to actually see the benefits, that repeal number will drop to about 28% - you know, the dead ender number.

Posted by: lcrider1 | January 18, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Does it make sense to list the Obama taxes that will attempt to pay for health care?

And there will have to be more taxes - because obama's bill as it is now is a DEFICIT TICKING TIME BOMB.

PARTIAL LIST OF OBAMA TAX INCREASES JAMMED THROUGH AGAINST THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE:

Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI; it is waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only.

Tax on Indoor Tanning Services($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons

Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D($4.5 bil/Jan 2013)

Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services

Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals(Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS

Tax on Innovator Drug Companies($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year.

Tax on Health Insurers($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. The stipulation phases in gradually until 2018, and is fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits.

$500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives($0.6 bil/Jan 2013)

Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2(Min$/Jan 2011): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns.

Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting($17.1 bil/Jan 2012): Requires businesses to send 1099-MISC information tax forms to corporations (currently limited to individuals), a huge compliance burden for small employers

“Black liquor” tax hike(Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel.

Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”(Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

@mike from the great north (at least with respect to Alexandria).

I don't have the same take that you do. The quotation in Rubin's piece did not imply that Rosenthal read the article.

::Is a Time magazine cover story that asserts Jews in Israel only care about money or another article that analogizes the current climate in Israel to fascism in the 1930′s over the line? [Rosenthal] said without hesitation, “That is absolutely over the line.” Those types of assertions, she said, “are made by people who do not know history or misread history.“::

That doesn't seem to say Rosenthal read the article, but rather she condemns those types of stereotypes that Rubin claims were in the article. Rubin, however, appears to have grossly misrepresented the Time article. The article was not about Jews only caring about money. Rather that economic concerns weigh on them more heavily and Israel is doing fairly well.

Rubin took an unusual short cut and is guilty of perpetuating a terrible stereotype herself. Namely, that Jews are only interested in money. For that, she should be ashamed of herself. Not likely, though.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 18, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

BTW I posted this on an earlier thread but it's actually suited to this topic.

As fate would have it, the renewal package from United for my wife and my health care coverage arrived today. I left it on my desk for a couple of hours in fear. When I finally opened it I almost dumped in my pants. No increase in the deductibles...first time in four years...
and just a 2.3% increase in the premium.
JUST 2.3%...the first time in at least six years it wasn't a double digit increase.

Glory Hallelujah. I honestly do not understand what has happened here. While progressive I'm not prepared to give credit to the HCR bill...but I can tell you I am a very, very, very happy camper.

Along with my insurance packet..again serendipity...an email message comes from OFA urging me to call my Congressman about this repeal effort. I happen be represented by a moderate R...he's been in office forever...literally decades..which is why the TPers couldn't touch him...he is the last R I have voted for....I called and told his staff member of my thrill over just a 2.3% raise...how he was the last R I had voted for and that if he joined with his caucus and supported this charade of a repeal bill it'll be the last freaking R I vote for in my lifetime!!!!!
Again while a progressive I am a registered Indy.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 18, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Additional Obama tax increase passed against the will of the American People

through reconciliation, a procedure intended to "reconcile" funds, NOT pass major social legislation


Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). For early retirees and high-risk professions exists a higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family). CPI +1 percentage point indexed.

Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:
First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee
Current Law 1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed 1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
Obamacare Tax Hike 1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed 1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed

Medicine Cabinet Tax($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin)

HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka“Special Needs Kids Tax”($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap of $2500 (Indexed to inflation after 2013) on FSAs (now unlimited). . There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exemptions include items retailing for less than $100.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

It's a long shot but FairlingtonBlade, you're not from the Fairlington neighborhood near Shirlington are you?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 18, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but no. Recent polling has revealed insights in HC. Those over 50 reject ACA b/c they are worried that Medicare benefits will be cut to provide more coverage. Those under 50 like ACA more than dislike b/c they cannot be dropped from existing plans, kids are covered until 26, etc.

Republicans are reading the wrong tea leaves if they think they can repeal and not replace. They are going to have to replace the elements that people most want, which is about 70% of ACA from what I can figure, or else there will be a backlash. If the Repubs repeal and go back to what we had, that will be problematic and they know it. We are entering a phase where premium rates are about to skyrocket.

Republicans are most sympathetic to business with rising rates. Their plan is to decouple health care from employers, putting the onus right square on the back of Joe the plumber.

Posted by: gfoster56 | January 18, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The polling presumes people know what's in the bill. They often don't. This includes people who work in areas related to health care. Why? Because very little media coverage has been devoted to the major contents and most of the bill has yet to take effect. And why don't people know? The Administration has done a poor job of selling it and the media has tended to cover things form the perspective of critics (Lori Montgomery, Shailigh Murray) or in the most content-free way possible (Dan Balz and his polling columns). the Post has been one of the worst offenders, which is why I note Balz, Murry, and Montgomery, the latter two being among the dimmest bulbs in the Post, overall.

So, frankly, the polling is only as meaningful as what people know in order to answer the questions and even people who follow the story may not know much. This angle of HRC and public sentiment needs to be better examined and after it's criminally useless coverage of the issue, it would help if the Post did some of the heavy lifting.

Posted by: thebuckguy | January 18, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I would count myself in the camp that favored expansion of Medicare to make it universal. The way it's structured now doesn't seem to do much to control costs - the real driver of the health care crisis.

However, since I'm an adult and live in a democratic republic, I realize the Frankenstein's monster that we ended up with is probably the best we could get. At least millions of people without access to care can now receive it.

Posted by: MidwaySailor76 | January 18, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Do these "polling experts" remind people how much this health bill costs???

OR do they just stack the questions in Obama's favor???

Seriously, folks. This ISSUE IS SETTLED. Obama's health care plan is going out the window. RESPECT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Do the polling experts let the people know that "Bartering Chickens For Checkups" would be a much less costly solution?

Posted by: Liam-still | January 18, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Fairlington

Did you see my comment the other day on RETRO-RETROCESSION ? Perhaps Alexandria and Arlington should be given back to DC - handing DC important additional income tax revenues.

I was shocked to read that perhaps Arlington had been transferred illegally - and not in accordance with the Congressional Resolution. This issue was brought up in the Virginia legislature.

Perhaps instead of forcing the people of DC to pay income and sales tax to Annapolis - the people of the metro DC area could pay income and sales tax downtown -

That would solve a good number of revenue issues - and perhaps create an entity which is viable to elect Senators.

So, perhaps Montgomery County, Arlington and Alexandria RETRO-RETROCESSION - and then perhaps the DC can have two Congressmen and two Senators. If those races are competitive, the Republicans may go for it after the 2012 election when they take control of the Senate.

They could probably add Quantico and down to Woodbridge - add some population.

Now you are talking.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

@MidwaySailor

I'm with you. I second your post.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 18, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

MidwaySailor

While we are at it, we might as well give free health care to every illegal alien as soon as they cross the border.

What do you say?

Who cares if every person in the world with pre-existing conditions will then become an illegal alien here. Might as well.

The Mexican War changed where the border was anyway - so the Mexicans should still have the right to live in California and Texas, right? Why not?

It really doesn't matter who has to pay for all these additional benefits, right?


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse


Do these "polling experts" remind people how much this health bill costs???

OR do they just stack the questions in Obama's favor???

Seriously, folks. This ISSUE IS SETTLED. Obama's health care plan is going out the window. RESPECT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.


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Posted by: RainForestRising
____________________________
hate to break it to you, but even the exit polling was only 60/40, and they didn't ask whether voters favored making it more liberal.

but the most important point is that the percentage of folks who said that the health reform issue had anything to do with their vote was negligible.

so the election doesn't tell us much about what the voters want

the fact is that Republicans have no alternative to replace it with, which should come as no surprise since the health reform bill was essentially taken (quite deliberately) from the republican model, courtesy of Nixon, Dole, and the Heritage Foundation. It was the Republican alternative to HillaryCare. republicans didn't have a backup plan in case the democrats agreed.

almost as silly as Republicans sponsoring the debt reduction commission and then opposing it once Obama agreed to it.

Posted by: JoeT1 | January 18, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Do the polling experts let the people know that "Bartering Chickens For Checkups" would be a much less costly solution?

If not, they must be punished by forcing them to wear see through hats, and eat all their meals out of plastic containers.

That will teach them to never again withhold precious nonsense from the voters.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 18, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Joe

We had an election - the American People want to get rid of the health care bill.

You really should have more respect for the American People and our elections.

This is why everyone wants the liberals out.... forever.

You just don't get it.

I supposed the liberals will be mumbling "parts of the health care bill" as they leave the building.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Joe

We had an election - the American People want to get rid of the health care bill.

You really should have more respect for the American People and our elections.

This is why everyone wants the liberals out.... forever.

You just don't get it.

I supposed the liberals will be mumbling "parts of the health care bill" as they leave the building.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Republicans aren't willing to do the work to consider the nuances of the bill or the country's opinion.

Straight repeal is all they will discuss because 26% of the country (their most radical base) demands it. And what would be the long term cost to Republicans f they would actually succeed in taking away all these new patients' rights? Devastating!

Posted by: Beeliever | January 18, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Joe

Did your poll tell everyone how much Obama's plan would cost ?

Did your poll tell everyone that Obama's plan was a ticking time bomb?

Did you ask EACH person if they support EACH additional Obama-tax ???


I would have to guess and say NO - the liberal pollsters left out the COSTS of the programs.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 18, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Conservative Policies that Actually Cost Jobs Are never to be discussed. How many jobs have conservative governors cost just by ending rail projects? In New Jersey, Ohio, Florida, and Wisconsin? But those governors are small-timers in the job elimination game. How many jobs have 'free trade' policies cost us? How many jobs have financial deregulation cost us? How many jobs has the Fed's obsession with the inflation half of its mandate cost us? How many jobs has our 'market based' approach to health care cost us? How many jobs have our regressive tax structures cost us? How many jobs, in California alone, has the execrable Prop 13 cost us? How many jobs have we lost because conservatives objected to fiscal stimulus?


Conservatives love to claim that liberal policies cost jobs - but the facts don't back them up. Reality has a well known liberal bias.


The GOP is saying we will lose 650k jobs if it isnt repealed, when in actuality we will be gaining 650k jobs... If 650k people retire, those jobs dont disappear- there will be 650k job openings. Meaning 650k jobs are created.


On top of that, 250k jobs will be lost if it IS repealed...


So instead of explaining all that, convert it into soundbyte format that the average joe can understand: REPEALING HEALTH CARE WILL COST 900k JOBS.

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Posted by: DrainYou | January 18, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

A LOT of people would like to see Obamacare repealed.

Most of us agree that health care should be reformed, but many of us don't think Obamacare did the job it set out to do.

The biggest problem with health care is its cost, and Obamacare didn't address that as the biggest problem.

It seems to me that Obama had good intentions, but failed to address the cost issue in favor of getting the word "universal" in the press release.

In doing so, he has RUINED our ability to change the health care cost structure, and forever cemented the current system in place.

The health care monopolies should be forever grateful.

Posted by: postfan1 | January 18, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

There are probably parts that would be ok as stand-alone legislation....but the whole plan is not about health care...it's about a power transfer to the state and must be repealed.

Posted by: PanhandleWilly | January 18, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

How do we get all the States to follow Governor Romney's example in Mass?

I know folks. In the words of Bugs Bunny, ain't I a stinker!

Posted by: Liam-still | January 18, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

All, check this out: Joe Scarborough has called out the right wing for whining about being blamed for the shooting:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/joe_scarborough_to_right_wing.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 18, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I guess right wing people will quit whining about being blamed about as soon as left wing people stop falsely blaming them about it. I'll just bet you didn't include everything Scarborough said...you just cherry picked the whining part.

Posted by: PanhandleWilly | January 18, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Misinformation was the only tool the Republicans used when the drafting of this law was done.

They never brought their side of the argument to light.

and still refuse to.

Posted by: vigor | January 18, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I am really tired of people writing that Obama or someone else is doing something against the "will of the People" - as if they can speak for all of us! PLEASE just speak for yourself.

Speaking just for myself, I think the health care reform is a good idea and it will help although it could have gone farther.

Posted by: catherine3 | January 18, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason Republicans talk of repeal AND replace: only fanatics want just repeal. The problem is the Republicans don't talk about replace with WHAT?

The correct action is to modify (which was always intended). Instead of rushing to (symbolically) repeal, the Republicans should tell us (since they are not asking anything) how they want to modify it.

(then again that requires thought which is beyond their apparent capacity).

Posted by: AMviennaVA | January 18, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse


My great-grandmother never went to the doctor and she lived to be 71 years old. That's why I oppose health care.

The American people just need to man up!

P.S. What would you expect a Marxist Poll to show?

Posted by: motorfriend | January 18, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I know you know this but it seems like you are using "bill" and "law" interchangeably. They are no more interchangeable than caterpillar and butterfly.

Posted by: matt_ahrens | January 18, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

My great-grandmother never went to the doctor and she lived to be 71 years old. That's why I oppose health care.

The American people just need to man up!

P.S. What would you expect a Marxist Poll to show?

Posted by: motorfriend | January 18, 2011 5:03 PM

...................

Thanks for sharing. Your Grand Mother Manned up?!

How come you didn't call for all the super rich to "man up" and go without insurance coverage or health care treatments.

Never mind; I know why you didn't. I is because you are a complete moron, who believes that just because your grandmother survived, no one else ever gets cancer, or any serious injuries, or did your manned up grandmother suffer a couple of broken hips, and just manned up by going through life, biting on a bullet.

Sounds like John Wayne was your Grandmother. Idiot!

Posted by: Liam-still | January 18, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

@Mike - He shoots, he scores! Fairlington for where I live; Blade for the team I support (Sheffield United, aka the Blades).

Technically, I live across the street from Fairlington. Fairlington Towne is actually in Alexandria. It was originally called Bradlee Towers, which is amusing given that they're 2 and 3 level townhouses. My guess is that around the time of conversion to condos, Fairlington had picked up some notice and so they glommed onto the name.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 18, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

@RFR - Saw it, but didn't have a chance to respond. Had to get the kids to bed. I'd have to defer to Mark on constitutional matters. Mind you, it looks like only about half of what is now the City of Alexandria was once inside the District.

Somehow, I doubt SCOTUS will take this one up. I'm sure the District would love to grab the real estate, but Va would scream bloody murder.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 18, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Here is the problem with the polling. If you take out those who poll as against the bill because it does not do ENOUGH, the % who really do not like the bill drops precipitously. If you add together those who like the bill with those who want it to do more, the overwhelming % say they like the Government being in the health care business.
The media needs to stop misleading us by manipulating the numbers based on how the question is asked. It is VERY misleading!

Posted by: Woodie731 | January 18, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Improve the health care bill, add to it, edit it, but don't take health care away from the American public. They've done without for too long. Regarding paying for it? Perhaps Wikileaks will provide a solution.

Posted by: MNUSA | January 18, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

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