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Posted at 6:22 PM ET, 01/28/2011

Happy Hour Roundup

By Greg Sargent

* David Axelrod says Obama directly confronted Hosni Mubarak for years over the need for reforms in Egypt, in order to "get ahead of this."

* But Center for American Progress fellow Brian Katulis says the violence shows that Obama's approach to the region leaves much to be desired, and that it's time for an overhaul.

* Stay tuned for a forthcoming statement about Egypt from Obama himself.

* The White House kiss-and-make-up session with big business continues as Commerce Secretary Gary Locke insists to ABC's Top Line that "there really is a lot of common agreement between the Chamber and the administration."

* Still more kissing-and-making-up as Obama's political advisers gear up to woo back the major donors he has apparently alienated. Maybe they could discuss recent record corporate profits?

* Politico's profile of GOP consultant Mark Salter, the alleged anonymous author of "O: A Presidential Novel," is far more interesting than you might have expected.

* The new normal: Too young not to work, too old to get a job.

* Reality check of the day: Many of the Arizona-style immigration laws other states are trying to pass are crashing and burning.

* Life in the minority: House Republicans shoot down a request by House Dems to hold gun safety hearings in the wake of the Arizona shootings.

* Fox News's power is far more insidious than you might think.

* Gallup finds that a plurality thinks Obama's State of the Union doesn't signal a major shift in direction, which perhaps means they're not buying all that nonsense about him allegedly "moving to the center."

* Quote of the day, from Obama's defense of his health law: "I can report that granny is safe."

* Random personal fact of the day: A very long time ago I worked as a busboy at a New York restaurant owned the company Dennis Kucinich has now settled with over the olive pit in his sandwich. The boss criticized me (rightly, I suppose) for giving customers too many free pats of butter with their bread, and things ended very badly.

* As Steve Benen notes, if GOP officials continue tiptoing in fear around Sarah Palin, MIchele Bachmann and their hair-trigger followings, things are only going to get much, much worse. Definitely a dynamic worth watching.

* And behold Palin struggling to unravel the confusion caused by her Sputnik and Spudnut remarks. Then marvel at the fact that she's a frontrunner for the presidential nomination of a major political party in the most powerful country in the history of the world.

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | January 28, 2011; 6:22 PM ET
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Obama is the worst President in history, except for Buchanan


Funny that both of them had rumors that they were gay.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Hosni is ahead of this all right, he got his "emergency powers" 30 years ago. He knew what was coming.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the current unrest in Egypt, what is President Obama supposed to do about it, other than how he has been handling it?

Should he consult his WWBD bracelet, and invade Iraq again?

Posted by: Liam-still | January 28, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Too young not to work and too old to get a job?
That is moral hazard. They should have thought of that
when they failed to get rich.

Seriously, do people think Republicans are kidding?
Do people think this is all fun and games?
This is the race to the bottom.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

You said it. The people of Egypt, utterly incapable of managing themselves and their own nation, clearly need America to come in and establish what's what for the good of those inferior types.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 5:07 PM
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Regarding the current unrest in Egypt, what is President Obama supposed to do about it, other than how he has been handling it?

Should he consult his WWBD bracelet, and invade Iraq again?

Posted by: Liam-still | January 28, 2011 6:30 PM
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Don't worry, boys. Whatever Obama does, or if he does nothing at all, it will be the exact right thing to do (or not do). If you don't believe me, just check the posts you two will be leaving here over the next few days. If all goes well, it will be because of Barry's deft handling of the situation. If not, well it's that blasted Bush's fault.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"Still more kissing-and-making-up as Obama's political advisers gear up to win back the major donors he has apparently alienated. Maybe they could mention recent record corporate profits? "

From the article Greg linked I quote at length and wonder whether it makes anyone else uneasy about our democracy:

"But all those hard feeling predated Obama 2.0. (Or, if you prefer the characterization of the administration's message mavens, the return to the original Obama.) He extended the George W. Bush-era tax cuts, installed such business-friendly officials as chief of staff William M. Daley and delivered a pro-growth State of the Union address. The White House reelection bid will test the enthusiasm of small donors, who might prove discouraged by the centrist bent and the policy compromises of Obama's administration. Big-dollar donors expect to be in greater demand.

"The president's shift to the center has renewed my . . . interest, enthusiasm and support for him," said Myers, who added he wasn't alone among his peers. He plans to play a large role in presidential fundraising this cycle. "My guess is that he is going to do better with people writing large checks." Myers, who has been invited to the Hartley fundraiser and is a top donor to Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), said that the $1 billion target for total money raised is both floating around fundraising circles and not out of bounds. "It sounds incredibly aggressive," he said. "But I think it's very doable."

If Obama hopes to hit such a mark, he'll need his top team on board. According to the prominent Obama donor, the president's core group of financial backers including Orin Kramer, an investor at Boston Provident; Mark Gallogly a co-founder of Centerbridge Partners; Jamie Rubin, an investor at BC Partners; and Robert Wolf, president of UBS Investment Bank, remains intact."

Posted by: wbgonne | January 28, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

If the liberals think this is a "democracy movement" they are sadly mistaken


This is an Islamic Revolt - organized at local mosques.

The Muslim Brotherhood is well-organized, and they are waiting to seize control of the government as soon as they can.

This would have serious, serious implications for the Middle East.

This will spread to other nations. Israel will be threatened from the south. This is not something that Americans will be happy about in the end.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

If the liberals think this is a "democracy movement" they are sadly mistaken


This is an Islamic Revolt - organized at local mosques.

The Muslim Brotherhood is well-organized, and they are waiting to seize control of the government as soon as they can.

This would have serious, serious implications for the Middle East.

This will spread to other nations. Israel will be threatened from the south. This is not something that Americans will be happy about in the end.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama just said "All governments should be RESPONSIVE to their people"


Then he listed the continents on which that principle should apply.


OBAMA LEFT OUT NORTH AMERICA AND THE UNITED STATES


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Clearly, Obama has not been RESPONSIVE to the American People. We have seen nothing but Obama and the liberals IGNORING the results of the elections here in the US, and attempting to forge ahead in the opposite direction.


Obama is NOT RESPONSIVE TO THE PEOPLE.


The Obama said Governments must be "By consent, not coersion"

HA


WHAT DO YOU CALL RECONCILIATION ??? WHAT DO YOU CALL THE AL FRANKED JOKE COURT CASE IN MINESOTA TO GET THE 60TH VOTE


WHAT DO YOU CALL CHANGING MASSACHUSETTS LAW FOR THE 60TH VOTE


Obama did his best to GO AROUND the normal procedures of negotiations in our government.


OBAMA is not governing WITH CONSENT.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"Gallup finds that a plurality thinks Obama's State of the Union doesn't signal a major shift in direction, which perhaps means they're not buying all that nonsense about him allegedly "moving to the center.""

Greg: I'll assume that last bit was snark in light of the linked article I quoted. Unless you think all those Big Money folks don't know how to invest their money.

Posted by: wbgonne | January 28, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

@Greg....I too bused dishes in New York...but upstate in the Adirondacks...ahhh those were the days eh?

The link to Ezra's fears about being too young to not work...too old to get a job are one of the real horror stories going on in our nation right now. I truly feel these folks pain having lived through that situation myself a dozen years ago.

BTW This is another reason I was not big on the ACA solution to our health care problems. Until we decouple health insurance from employers we'll live with some really large disincentives for employers to hire anybody over 50..in fact over 40.

In our small business if we hire somebody 20-30 our premiums are literally 1/5 what we have to pay for someone over 55. Why would we absorb approximately another $1,000 a month for each of these older workers we hire.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

My favorite part of the story linked is that Obama's "top team" appears to be all investment bankers and hedge fund managers. I especially like that the president of UBS Investment Bank is in there given the settlement it had to reach with the Justice Department on charges of facilitating tax evasion for wealthy American clients.

Posted by: jnc4p | January 28, 2011
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In the world of libs like Bernie, RUK, and Liam, these types are only evil when they give money to Republicans. Only shrink2 and perhaps wbgonne seem cognizant of Obama's utter hypocrisy. In the words of Jeremiah Wright, Obama has been riding Liam dirty, but Liam's too dumb to know or care. He's just a good toady.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

So people think that Obama's speech isn't a change in direction, and yet overwhelmingly approved of what he said.

I think this is proof that Dems' losses last year were of a result of not being able to implement their agenda and not a matter of overreach.

Of course, no one actually believed that tired GOP talking point anyways. Except for the press.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 28, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Eldridge Cleaver ended up really putting "his soul on ice" by becoming A Conservative. I bet that Jennifer, Black Panthers Under My Bed, Rubins, did not even know that historical fact.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 28, 2011
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Anyone with enough sense to shake piss out of a boot will eventually become a Conservative.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Did Greg ever tell us what the new comment system was "at the end of THIS week"? Maybe he did and I just missed it.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 28, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I've had a few posts that point out that Eisenhower would be considered such a liberal by today's standards he couldn't even get through a Dem primary, much less an R. One of our "brighter" posters wished to challenge that assertion demanding proof.

@skippy You deserve the nasty names after your response to Jenn with the condescending "dearie"...particularly rich since you are not even a pimple on Jenn's considerable intellect.

You need proof of the 1956 R Platform...my heavens are you so old like Grandpa McCain you can't even use the "googles".

Google.com type in 1956 Republican Platform. It's still in the public record

Some snippets for you...

"Further reductions in taxes with particular consideration for low and middle income families."

Freaking socialist Republicans out to redistribute the wealth and "confiscate" all the rich folks money. Marginal rates were above 90%...Capital gains 25%..in other words "labor" was valued as much as the investing class..by REPUBLICANS!!!

"Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."

Wow...can you imagine an R today saying ANYTHING about helping the working man.
R's do not value labor...they value investors and the wealthy and if you can't see that skippy you need to learn more than the googles.

"Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;"

Whoaaa what a concept! From an R?

"Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;"

Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

"Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public. The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration."

FREAKING PRO LABOR!!!!!!

The Republican Party believes that the physical, mental, and spiritual well-being of the people is as important as their economic health. It will continue to support this conviction with vigorous action.

"Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet."

But I've saved the most astounding for last...there are more but this one takes the cake..

"We recommend to Congress the submission of a constitutional amendment providing equal rights for men and women."

Ike and the R's were FOR the ERA. Amazing!

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Shrink - time saved not having to flip through hundreds of pages of charts if we switch to electronic records. Significant or not?

Posted by: DDAWD | January 28, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Only shrink2 and perhaps wbgonne seem cognizant of Obama's utter hypocrisy."

Thanks man, preshate that.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Re: Egypt:

"Although Mubarak has said he is not leaving, the Muslim Brotherhood, the country's largest opposition party and godfather to Hamas and Al Qaeda, may be best positioned to fill the power vacuum left if Mubarak, who is now 82 years old, were to depart. Even if the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't gain control, the United States is likely to have diminished influence in Cairo, and consequently, in the Middle East.

Calls by President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for Egyptian security forces not to use violence against protestors came far too late in the game. Jailed dissidents, including Christians, are not pleased with America's decades-long commitment of foreign aid money and military equipment to Mubarak, even as he stifled dissent and held sham elections.

The questions for Washington are perplexing, but for Israel, they must be pondered with urgency. Although Mubarak held Israel at arm's length, he has had common cause with Jerusalem when it comes to reining in Hamas in Gaza."

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2011/January/Analysis-Israels-Precarious-Position-Beyond-Mubarak/

That is a big deal. I wish all the best to President Obama and the Administration as they respond to it.

Posted by: wbgonne | January 28, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

The boss criticized me (rightly, I suppose) for giving customers too many free pats of butter with their bread, and things ended very badly.


Socialist

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Adam Serwer wrote,
"Yesterday the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights released the final version of its interim report on the New Black Panther voter intimidation case, complete with the dissents from the Democratic commissioners.

Some on the right, such as Post blogger Jennifer Rubin, are very excited about this report, insisting that it vindicates their claim that this is a real live scandal. But it doesn't do anything of the kind. Quite the opposite."
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A couple of responses worth reposting:
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Y'all should know that when it comes to the New Black Panther case, Mr. Serwer has a terrible record of accurate reporting.

Posted by: sbj3 | January 28, 2011
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Adam,

There isn't much dirt beneath you before you hit bedrock. You should stop digging real soon. You are just making a fool of yourself at this point.

Give it up already. Your scrambly defense doesn't pass the laugh test.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011
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Yesterday, RUK responded to a Serwer post:

"I'm only the 9th poster here...less than 1/5 of the other threads. If this thread had been about Sarah Palin, Adam, you would have been swamped."
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Actually, most people here have already read one two many of Adam's screeds. The dwindling number of responses is more a result of the content than the subject matter.


Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

wbgonne writes
"There appears to be a strong consensus across the political spectrum that marijuana should be legalized. So why isn't it?"

Do you think that's true in the Repub caucus that holds the House majority? If you can get a bill past them, there might be a case for the WH to go with the flow. But it would be political suicide for the WH to initiate that discussion.

Posted by: bsimon1 | January 28, 2011
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Yes, we certainly don't elect a President to lead or set an agenda. We elect one to cower in the corner and avoid political suicide while the opposition House sets the agenda.

That was pretty much his approach to HCR, even though his party controlled both houses of Congress by huge majorities. The result: a botched abortion of a bill with no Republican support at all.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"Significant or not?"

A lot of what I do to get paid is read and compile and surmise (and so on) medical records. I'll bet I have read more medical records than anyone on earth (no really, I am a reading comprehension machine, I sell a sort of autistic skill, I've read thousands of whole life records). I have been doing this for more than two decades.

Written records they scan to me and the "digital records" come in their original format. Makes no difference. Both turgid, barely comprehensible, inconsistent, inaccurate...

Now on-line facts are great, like MARS, labs and medical orders. But if you want to know who someone was that day when they were admitted and why the clinicians did what they did at the time as opposed to something else, what they were thinking...we are going backwards.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

""Only shrink2 and perhaps wbgonne seem cognizant of Obama's utter hypocrisy.""

Dude? I think I've made it abundantly clear that Barry's a hypocrite. Come on, credit due here.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Shrink

race to the bottom

this is ALL Clinton's fault - he SOLD OUT the country for these Free Trade deals.


Hillary was on the Board of Wal-Mart- did you forget that???


Hillary is the one who got enough money, much from Wall Street, to run three campaigns in 10 years - quite a bit of money there.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

What keeps us from addressing the deficits if they are, as I think they are, dangerous?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | January 28, 2011
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See my previous post. What keeps "us" from addressing them is a President who's decided to essentially abdicate and let the House propose solutions so he and his cronies can attack them and tell us deficits don't matter---we need more spending, more government programs. At least until Barry leaves office; then someone else can worry about it.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Re Egypt....

For the two wrongs make a right crowd..you know the same folks who are simply too frightened to have the courage of their convictions...propping up Dictators is not really that great of a long term idea...can we say Shah of Iran? Batista? feel free to add your own their are plenty of examples.

I'm curious...do we believe the life of an innocent Afghan is as valuable as an innocent American? If we could magically quantify very specifically how many American lives are saved by killing innocent Afghans could we all decide what might be a decent ratio? How about ten innocent Afghan lives to save one American?
More...maybe 20 innocent Afghan lives to save on American life?

How about a reality check? No American lives saved. I defy ANYBODY to prove we've saved the first American life with our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. And remember I'm going to call finger snapping on you..you know the guy like RFR who went around all day snapping his fingers to keep the elephants away...when laughed at for his actions he said..."you don't see any elephants do you"....that is the same logic for these freaking wars.

Now back to my reality check...how many INNOCENT Afghan civilians are we willing to kill for our paranoia? Let's check.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29

The War in Afghanistan (2001–present) has caused the deaths of thousands of Afghan civilians directly from insurgent and foreign military action, as well as the deaths of possibly tens of thousands of Afghan civilians indirectly as a consequence of displacement, starvation, disease, exposure, lack of medical treatment, crime and lawlessness resulting from the war.

The initial military objectives of as articulated by President George W. Bush in his Sept. 20th Address to a Joint Session of Congress and his Oct. 7th address to the country, included the destruction of terrorist training camps and infrastructure within Afghanistan, the capture of al-Qaeda leaders, and the cessation of terrorist activities in Afghanistan."[1][2][3] The war, launched by the United States as "Operation Enduring Freedom" in 2001, began with an initial air campaign that almost immediately prompted concerns over the number of Afghan civilians being killed[4] as well as international protests. With civilian deaths from airstrikes rising again in recent years,[5] the number of Afghan civilians being killed by foreign military operations has led to mounting tension between the foreign countries and the government of Afghanistan. In May 2007, President Hamid Karzai summoned military commanders to warn them of the consequences of further deaths.[6]

Professor Marc W. Herold of the University of New Hampshire estimated in September 2007 that between 5,700 and 6,500 Afghan civilians had been killed so far in the war by American and NATO military forces.[42] Hey what's 5or 6,000 deaths as long as they were killed by "exceptional" people.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

"New GOP Senators like Ron Johnson and Marco Rubio, who rode the Tea Party to victory, are now suddenly reconsidering their association with it and deciding maybe they should keep the Tea Party Caucus at arm's length as they plot their careers going forward."

The only people surprised by this are the members of the tea party.

Posted by: bsimon1 | January 28, 2011
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Sort of reminds one of how Democrats deal with the Congressional black caucus.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Clinton really left this place in shambles


Clinton took many of our intelligence assets out of the Middle East - leading to 9/11


Clinton caved into Wall Stree, deregulated derivatives and repealed the Glass Steagall Act -


Clinton's actions led to the Mortgage meltdown.


The sub-prime mortgage program was Clinton's program


Clinton wrecked the place - I know all the liberals want to blame Bush, but BUSH WAS CLEANING UP CLINTON'S MESS.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

And two Palin links?  What, is your click-rate down?

What happened to what's-his-name's boycott?  You'll honor it upto the point your page-views decline?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Troll, that was total disrespect.

But, just for what it is worth, I have noted your contempt for Barak Obama grandstanding as the friend of downwardly mobile Americans.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"Sort of reminds one of how Democrats deal with the Congressional black caucus."

Shhhhhh

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse


Obama just said "All governments should be RESPONSIVE to their people"

Then he listed the continents on which that principle should apply.

OBAMA LEFT OUT NORTH AMERICA AND THE UNITED STATES
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Clearly, Obama has not been RESPONSIVE to the American People. We have seen nothing but Obama and the liberals IGNORING the results of the elections here in the US, and attempting to forge ahead in the opposite direction.

Obama is NOT RESPONSIVE TO THE PEOPLE.

The Obama said Governments must be "By consent, not coercion"

HA

WHAT DO YOU CALL RECONCILIATION ??? WHAT DO YOU CALL THE AL FRANKED JOKE COURT CASE IN MINESOTA TO GET THE 60TH VOTE

WHAT DO YOU CALL CHANGING MASSACHUSETTS LAW FOR THE 60TH VOTE

Obama did his best to GO AROUND the normal procedures of negotiations in our government.

OBAMA is not governing WITH CONSENT.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Unwillingness to pull our own weight. There is near universal acknowledgement that deficits are dangerous & the debt is excessively large. Yet we still demand services from government and refuse the tax hikes that are necessary to pay for them. Until the majority are willing to pay their fair share, the problem will go unsolved.

Posted by: bsimon1 | January 28, 2011
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Better and better. Now it's "the majority" not paying "their fair share". Since 47% pay no federal income tax whatsoever, that means just about everybody else isn't paying his or her "fair share". I wonder what that fair share may be and why it necessarily requires government coercion to extract it. If bsimon isn't paying his fair share, why doesn't he simply . . . well, maybe he's misplaced his checkbook.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, if it's just scanned forms of charts, that's not much better. I guess I can click a mouse faster than I can flip a page.

Honestly, if someone were to just type up all all the @#$^&^$@# chicken scratch that doctors write in their charts, I'd be a much happier person.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 28, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Troll - I haven't seen Greg make any pledge to not talk about Palin.

He's not Dana Milbank.

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 28, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Kaddafi is still upset his hero Palin wasn't aware Africa was a continent and not a country.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 28, 2011
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mikefromArlington is still upset his hero Barry isn't aware the United States has fewer than 57 states.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

DD, in my world, we have insisted. Everything gets transcribed.
The Dragon program is almost ok. But motivated transcriptionists are amazing. I sent a 9 megabyte file (me talking in jargon for ~42 minutes) to a transcriptionist yesterday and it was back for sig in a little over two yours.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

When she bought it ca 30yrs ago, there was no sump pump, then it started flooding once or twice a year, now all the time. It is salty water. She lives a 1/4m from Vineyard Sound at sea level on the shore of a salt pond. The ocean is rising, no doubt about it. The house can't be sold now, it would be condemned after it was surveyed.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011
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And there's also that odd labyrinth of underground passages connecting her basement to the sea, from which some of the locals have reported hearing odd shrieks and strange howling noises above the wind on moonless nights, and the occasional child snatched from its crib, never to be seen again, on those same nights.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

@skippy Have you read the Republican platform for 1956. ...

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011
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LOL. He's gone from Jimmy Carter to Ike.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

TMW: "What happened to what's-his-name's boycott? You'll honor it up to the point your page-views decline?"

That was Dana Milbank, not Greg, and it's for the month of February which isn't until next Tuesday.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 28, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, I am going on vacation tomorrow morning for another week too. But I don't think I have to worry about bumping into El Rushbo up in British Columbia. Last time he was busted with a pocket full of Viagṙa, he was coming back from a place where child prostitution is aok.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011
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Vietnam?

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I think this is proof that Dems' losses last year were of a result of not being able to implement their agenda and not a matter of overreach.

Of course, no one actually believed that tired GOP talking point anyways. Except for the press.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 28, 2011 6:43 PM
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Or maybe the voters.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

@Brigade "Since 47% pay no federal income tax whatsoever, that means just about everybody else isn't paying his or her "fair share"."

Seriously man are you really that effing ignorant. You think "income taxes" are the only taxes we're paying. You should do payroll sometime. I have two employees who are currently paying more in FICA than their income tax because of their lower bracket.

In other words Brigade see if you can figure the math.

Rick Scott who reported 10,000,000 in income for the past three years paid 15% in taxes...15 freaking %...do you understand that Brigade. He's far from the only one...he's probably pretty average.

Now one of my employees making $30,000 a year pays 7.65% right off the top before you even figure income tax. God knows how many "fees" they pay. The R's in Florida are slick hucksters that pray on the gullible like you Brigade...they simply move "taxes" over to larger fees..for everything from power consumption..drivers licenses...charging more for state parks etc. You know what Brigade...with all due respect I think Warren Buffet is a hell of a lot smarter than you and he makes this very point...his secretary pays a higher % to taxes than he does.

But then Brigade I guess you're against a "progressive" tax system...yeah let's kill the middle class and turn this country into a Banana Republic...a conservative's wet dream.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Brigade said: "In the world of libs like Bernie"

I'd prefer it if you referred to me in a more accurate manner as "that Canadian Leninist with the tattoo of Satan on his penis"

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

@Bernie TMI about your tattoos...this is a coed blog. LMAO

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Fox News's power is far more insidious than you might think."

May I be excused from inclusion in this "you" category?

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"LOL. He's gone from Jimmy Carter to Ike."

Now he's gone from irrelevant meaningless blather and insults...to..irrelevant meaningless insults. Guess that's all he can do since he is yet to inject the first bit of intellect in his posts...just irrelevant insults...the brainpower of Palin and Bachmann.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

rukidding


One man's "fair share" is another man's rip-off.


Why should he pay so much more money than you


Seems like he paid 1.5 Million Dollars

THAT isn't good enough for you - you want 4 MILLION DOLLARS, is that about right?


And what are you going to do with the money?

Hire more cronies?

Give out more expensie union contracts?

Waste the money on democratic pet projects?


The democrats have ZERO credibility when it comes to spening money properly.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's so hit or miss who decides to dictate. And the daily notes are so aggravating to read. I'm working for a consult service now, so I have to read up on what primary does. Not to mention when my own staff writes a note while I'm at a lecture or something and I can't make out what he writes. It's more aggravating than listening to a CHF patient tell me about his bacon and sausage breakfast.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 28, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

@rukidding - every blog can use a little PENIS.

Though this one seems to have more than its fair share of little penises, if ya know what I mean and I think that you do.

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 28, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

RFR Respond to the 1956 R's..are you afraid...they wanted 25% of Scott's money or 2,500,000...sounds about right to me...tricky ricky can live on 7,500,000 annually...and remember that's just what he reported..hard to keep up with how much he steals he has a terrific record as a fraudster!

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

@Jenn LMAO!!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

the brainpower of Palin and Bachmann.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 7:32 PM
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But, unfortunately, not the bank account.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I too get a chuckle out of picturing Klondike Sally as a presidential nominee. Then I recall 1980. Then I recall 2000. Then I get kind of a queasy feeling.

Posted by: joeff | January 28, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

rukidding


What is the question?


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

rukidding

I really can not respond without seeing the deductions the man took on his returns.

You are saying 15% - but are you including the deductions?


I really don't know how the calculations worked.

The tax code includes many provisions, and people are allowed to prepare their returns according to all the rules.

Your position seems to be that the person should not take his deductions.


What about the mortgage deductions - should people not take that now?

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 7:47 PM | Report abuse

In other words Brigade see if you can figure the math.

Rick Scott who reported 10,000,000 in income for the past three years paid 15% in taxes...15 freaking %...do you understand that Brigade. He's far from the only one...he's probably pretty average.

(eliminated some of the gibberish to make the post more intelligible)

But then Brigade I guess you're against a "progressive" tax system...yeah let's kill the middle class and turn this country into a Banana Republic...a conservative's wet dream.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 7:27 PM
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That's exactly what bsimon1 was saying: the majority of people just aren't paying their fair share. But I can't for the life of me figure out who exactly is stopping them from paying their fair share. What's your excuse? Why aren't you paying your fair share? Does someone have to come with a pistol and take it?

I never said anything against a progressive tax system. And I have no idea why you believe conservatives want to destroy the middle class and turn the country into a banana republic. Why would they want that? I certainly don't---another of your many attempts at mind reading gone awry.

When you get wound up like this, there's just no telling what you'll say. Cut down on the sweets and try to keep up.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I too get a chuckle out of picturing Klondike Sally as a presidential nominee. Then I recall 1980. Then I recall 2000. Then I get kind of a queasy feeling.

Posted by: joeff | January 28, 2011 7:44 PM
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You're probably just cum drunk again.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

All, thanks for the clarification vis a vis Milbank.

Question is though, Greg has on more than one occasion whined about how much coverage the 'Cuda gets.  If you listen to his comments close enough, you can definitely here the "tut-tut" in them (no offense meant, bernie.). Why then does he link to stories about her, and comment about her if not to create traffic?  Bills gotta get paid right?  How many White House talking points and Media Matter Action Alerts links does it take to equal one comment about Palin I wonder.

And shrink? Disrespect?  Me?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

OK guys what is the Republican platform from 1956


Who cares

the guy made 10 million - AND you want 4 million of it.

Right now the tax rate is 35%.

He took tax deductions to deal with all that.


I don't know where you are getting 15% from.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Re Palin and Bachmann (see link to Benen up top)...

This self-inflicted festering wound is absolutely delightful to behold. Let's remember the trajectory.

1) the PUMA "movement" which was orchestrated by Republican operatives as a strategy to try and create foment among Dems by suggesting that Obama had cheated Hillary out of victory

2) the choice of Palin as VP, pushed forward by establishment figures, particularly Bill Kristol

3) the "grizzly mama" strategy (explicated by establishment operative Matalin) to draw women voters away from Obama and Dems which attempted to forward Palin's chances along with a whole team of female candidates, witches, failed executives and wide-eyed crazies familiar with John Birch history for last November's election

4) a celebration of the most extreme versions of rightwing ideology as normal and pure conservativism pushed by a cable network and an entire range of media outlets promoting this extremism with its portrayals of Marxists and Nazis at the helm of the country.

What could possibly go wrong?

And now these dear patriots are stuck with creature that will rip out its own guts when hungry. We see the Weekly Standard carrying a piece that eviscerates Palin and Bill Kristol sweating and advising that the next candidacy can't be "wasted". And Dick Armey trying trying to steer all the suckers he just conned into going for the next incarnation of Reagan (not a woman, Reagan would never come back without a dick).

My sympathy for these b*stards is far less than zero.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 8:18 PM | Report abuse

ruk to skip:

'"particularly rich since you are not even a pimple on Jenn's smarmy arrogance."

Fixed that for ya.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what that fair share may be and why it necessarily requires government coercion to extract it. If bsimon isn't paying his fair share, why doesn't he simply . . . well, maybe he's misplaced his checkbook.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:11 PM

Are you suggesting that the payment of taxes should be entirely voluntary? Really? All taxes? No one should be required to pay any taxes? None at all?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | January 28, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Underneath all the noise and kefuffle of day to day briefings and talking points and other such diverting entertainments, the Republicans get down to what really matters to their real base...

"So, naturally, Republicans have seen fit to name Toomey to the Senate Banking Committee, which has oversight of the nation’s financial regulatory laws."

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/28/toomey-banking-committee/

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Bernie

Obama's people PURPOSELY attempted to cancel the repear of the Michigan primary


Once the Florida and Michigan primary situation developed - Obama did everything he could to KEEP THOSE DELEGATES OUT


So, Obama won with 48 STATES - Why? because if ALL 50 States were counted, Obama would have LOST


Obama DID CHEAT


Who cares?


The nation is STUCK WITH OBAMA NOW - AND NOW WE HAVE TO STOP THIS OBAMA HIJACKING


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin = the face that launched a thousand twits

. . . scrambling on a daily basis to flyspeck every word she says for any slight error or ambiguous construction that can be twisted or blown up to the next big "gaffe."

Keep scrambling, little men.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Quote of the day

"I don't need your people"

"Yesterday, the Ohio Legislative Black Caucus held a press conference to express their waning patience with his dismissive attitude and “implore[] Kasich to make better strides to diversify his Cabinet.” But according to State Senator Nina Turner (D-OH), this time Kasich’s response was a bit more blunt. According to Turner, when the caucus offered him help in finding qualified minority applicants, Kasich told Turner, “I don’t need your people“:"

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/28/kasich-black-your-people/

Besides, I'm sure one of your people is probably employed here in the janitorial department.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"4) a celebration of the most extreme versions of rightwing ideology as normal and pure conservativism pushed by a cable network and an entire range of media outlets promoting this extremism with its portrayals of Marxists and Nazis at the helm of the country."

In what way is this "extreme version" of rightwing idealology different now than from what Barry Goldwater espoused during his Presidential run?  

  And was there ever any interest on the part of the left to portray Bush (You know, BushHitler?)  As a Nazi and Fascist?

" pushed by a cable network and an entire range of media outlets..."

What percent of the voting population actually watches Fox News, or read National Review and the Weekly Standard? Could we safely say 95% of the voting population?

And your fears of points one through four, how successful were they again?  Electorally I mean? Where it counts?  Deep breaths my brother, deep breaths. ;-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama starts praising this guy Elbaradei in Egypt

He is NOT a viable alternative

The Muslim Brotherhood is just using him to overthrow the government. For all we know, Elbaradei could be a PART of the Muslim Brotherhood.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

lol, yeah, that's a real credible smear against Kasich.

You ought to be embarassed for peddling that nonsense, bernie. But we realize that your #1 job is smearing any Republican you think could be a good future candidate. Start early, smear viciously and continuously, never retract or apologize. That's the Alinsky Democrats for you.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Bernie and rukidding

Are you going to guarantee us that if Obama loses the election, he will leave peacably - and the liberals will not take up arms against the government?


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"smarmy arrogance"

I believe that's an apt description of someone who insists against all evidence that an obscure college professor unknown to probably over 99% of Americans until Glen Beck elevated her to the position of History's New Greatest Monster is and has long been a "leading light" and spokesman for the left. I mean, no one could tell a whopper of that size without being an arrogant little sh*t, now could they?

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 28, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Nothing to see here category (from Benen)...

"Another nut makes violent threats targeting the office of a congressional Democrat. This time, the target was Rep. Joe Donnelly's (D-Ind.) office. The nut was arrested by the FBI and facing federal criminal charges."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/140979-man-charged-for-allegedly-threatening-rep-donnelly-

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The liberals are always trying to provoke a justification FOR the liberals to get violent.

That is basically how it works.

I challenge everyone to look up ALL the marches in the past ten years - the liberals are ones who get violent, burn stores, break windows.

Even pro-breaking the law immigrant rallies in Arizona get VIOLENT.


OK, so what is going to happen when Obama has to leave office???


Are the liberals going to take up arms against the election???

The liberals SURE have shown DISREPECT toward the results of the midterm elections - so perhaps this is what Obama is planning.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Q.B. I feel sorry for you. Still defending the indefensible...Sarah Palin.

You must really relate to those poor Buffalo Bills fans...Buffalo has enjoyed a far better season than Sister Sarah.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 28, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Arfie arfed:

"I believe that's an apt description of someone who insists against all evidence that an obscure college professor . . . is and has long been a "leading light" and spokesman for the left."

You should probably use what someone actually has said if you want to make accusations. Like how you actually denied over and over in the face of direct proof to the contrary that Piven hasn't advocated violence. Not too bright for considerable intellect.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

lol, yeah, that's a real credible smear against Kasich.

You ought to be embarassed for peddling that nonsense, bernie. But we realize that your #1 job is smearing any Republican you think could be a good future candidate. Start early, smear viciously and continuously, never retract or apologize. That's the Alinsky Democrats for you.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 8:38 PM

According to ONN’s Jim Heath, Governor Kasich’s office confirmed that Governor Kasich made the comment to Senator Turner....

http://www.plunderbund.com/2011/01/27/gov-kasich-to-sen-nina-turner-on-diversity-issue-i-dont-need-your-people/

Posted by: pragmaticagain | January 28, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Taranto does it again...

"WSJ's Taranto: Liberals' Dislike Of Palin Stems From Liberal Women, Because She's A "Threat To Their Sexual Identity""

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201101280007

Heck of an insight, isn't it? Conservatives' dislike of Jane Fonda stems from conservative women whose sexual identity was threatened by her.

Can the man possibly be this stupid? Is that actually possible? Or is he just lying? Which is worse? I don't know.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

1956

Clearly, that was pre-Great Society

And pre-environmental laws of the 70s


So NOW THE QUESTION IS


After the Great Society, have we gone too far

and with the environmental regulations, have we gone too far

The Eisenhower platform has to be viewed in the context of the day.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Q.B. I feel sorry for you. Still defending the indefensible...Sarah Palin."

I'm not even defending her. I'm just laughing at the squadrons of tiny little people who scramble around every day huffing and puffing and combing literally every word she says for something to attack.

Like I always say, you are, after all, the party of Joe Biden, Barbara Boxer, Maxine Waters, Patty Murray, etc., etc. -- some of the flat stupidest and most incomptent people ever to con their way into public office. Sarah Palin couldn't possibly be stupider or more ignorant than lots of Dems you all think are terrific.

And all these twits like Greg scramble every day at the every word of this hopelessly incompetent, stupid and unedcuated person. Too too funny. She really has you all on a string.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Bernie and Prag

so you think there should be a QUOTA of blacks in government?


Is that right?


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Bernie and Prag

so you think there should be a QUOTA of blacks in government?


Is that right?


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

RUK, the current reality is that the Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan and while recently weakened in Pakistan, is spreading there. One fly in the ointment is Pakistan's nuclear weapons. The other is Al Quaeda and the Taliban's ability to recruit (not all recruits are volunteers) and train suicide bombers. They have demonstrated a willingness to take extreme measures at great sacrifice (mostly of easily influenced uneducated young people) to fanatically pursue theocratic governance in both countries. A nuke in their hands is unthinkable, yet we must think about it. The U.S. is now in the unenviable position of finding a way to establish a policy that prevents terrorist access to nuclear weapons and promotes secular democratic reform in the face of a well armed insurgency in a region where blood vengeance and armed tribal conflict is the norm. The finger of blame for the current situation can be pointed at various well intentioned administrations and their application of foreign policy. Foreign policy that was often based on short sighted, short term objectives

The question for today is; how do we solve this problem as it currently exists?

I don't envy any administration trying to deal with this. You can't fold your tents and leave and if you stay you don't seem to be able to avoid military involvement. If we could get the Pak's to give up nukes (requires India to do the same) there would be a better chance, but I don't see that happening.

Posted by: actuator | January 28, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Kasich told Turner, “I don’t need your people

WHAT Kasich was saying is

he didn't want their LIBERAL BLACKS

Kasich meant


He CAN FIND HIS OWN CONSERVATIVE BLACKS


They do exist you know


STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING RACIST


THE PROBLEM WITH THE LIBERALS IS IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE LIBERALS, YOU ARE RACIST.


THAT IS A JOKE

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

"According to ONN’s Jim Heath, Governor Kasich’s office confirmed that Governor Kasich made the comment to Senator Turner...."

and if you want to argue it was a racial comment, like your boneheaded hater pals, you have 0 credibility and no interest from me in discussing it.

Nina Turner is just another far-left Democrat race hustler, and this is a complete joke of a story.

Knock yourselves out smearing Kasich. You obviously know nothing about him or this hack politician trying to smear him. It won't work. Trust me.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

And then, there's this...

"NO ONE IS BANNING THE WORD 'AMERICA'.... In July, "Captain America: The First Avenger," a big superhero movie, will hit theaters. But because Hollywood studios rely so heavily on the international box office, in much of the world, the movie will simply be called, "The First Avenger." As a business decision, this isn't exactly shocking.

At least, it shouldn't be. On "Fox & Friends" this morning, Gretchen Carlson was outraged by the news.

"You know what? That is so crazy. Before you know it, this country will just be called 'Half of North America.' OK? Because, 'Oh, you can't say, America.' What will we say? What will we call this country when we can't say 'America' anymore?"

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_01/027748.php

You know, it's getting to the point where, if Beck were to go up to his PowerPointForRednecks blackboard this evening and demonstrate how aliens from a parallel universe have managed to create a warp in space-time in order to suck brains (a delicacy to them) from our universe, that's a Beckian thesis I might attend to.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

And in Oklahoma, evil Darwin is getting his just deserts and science education turns from Sputniks to SpudNuts...

"State Rep. Sally Kern (R) has proposed the second anti-evolution bill this year in Oklahoma. Entitled the “Scientific Education and Academic Freedom Act,” the bill, which will be first considered next month, would require the state and local authorities to “assist teachers to find more effective ways to present the science curriculum where it addresses scientific controversies” and permit teachers to “help students understand, analyze, critique, and review” the scientific strengths and weaknesses of “existing theories.” But the only topics mentioned in the bill as contestable are “biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning...

Kern also proclaimed that homosexuality is comparable to “toe-cancer” and that “it’s the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam. Studies show that no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than, you know, a few decades. So it’s the death knell of this country.”

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201101280007

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Kasich was clearly saying that he wanted to get his own CONSERVATIVE Blacks for those positions.


The liberals think they have a monopoly on the blacks - and they should be referring blacks for government positions.

Well, the Republicans can get their own Blacks Conservatives - and they are fine - they do not need referrals from the liberal groups on who to hire.


Get it???

Im sure you all would LOVE TO MAKE THIS RACIAL.

But it really is not racial - it is about partisanship.

The Governor has a RIGHT to appoint people who AGREE WITH HIM. And I can assure you that there are ENOUGH BLACKS IN OHIO WHO AGREE WITH HIM.


Thank you very much.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I have two questions:

1. Toe cancer?

2. What is Mrs. Palin talking about, Sputnik and Spudnuts? Does anyone understand what she is trying to say?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 28, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"2. What is Mrs. Palin talking about, Sputnik and Spudnuts? Does anyone understand what she is trying to say?"

I think Media Matters and ThinkProgress both identified it as just another rightwing incitement to violence. Whatever you do though, DO NOT READ WHAT SHE WROTE! There is a risk to your personal safety. Ask Bernie, he see's it for what it is... Pontypool.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

@12bar - the Sputnik thing was just US/Soviet history as conceived by someone who doesn't know it and can't be bothered to open books. The other is the name of a small business in Washington State.


And for anyone who wants to know the state of Catholic scholarship in Canada, there's this enlightening version of theology which holds that God wants all sperm to be gushed into vaginas and nowhere else.

http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/01/28/canadian-bishops-warn-against-%E2%80%98misuse-of-sex%E2%80%99-in-marriage/

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

@troll,

I'm serious. What is she trying to say? Do you understand it, because I sure don't. No snark intended.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 28, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"You can't fold your tents and leave."

Well actually, that is exactly what we are going to do.
That is what happens when you lose a war.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

And then shrink2, what becomes of the nukes?

Posted by: actuator | January 28, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

That is something we just can't know about.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"@12bar - the Sputnik thing was just US/Soviet history as conceived by someone who doesn't know it and can't be bothered to open books."

Or maybe it's just the opposite of that, and bernie is propagandizing.

http://bigpeace.com/pschweizer/2011/01/28/sarah-palin-schools-the-washington-post-on-history/

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

@12bar - the Sputnik thing was just US/Soviet history as conceived by someone who doesn't know it and can't be bothered to open books. The other is the name of a small business in Washington State.
-----------------------------------------------------
The link above quotes her:

She then wrote that "in a recent interview I mentioned analogies that could relate to solutions to our economic challenges, including the difference between a communist government's 'Sputnik' and the private sector's 'Spudnut.'"

I feel like I came in the middle of the movie. What is she saying?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 28, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Bernie

You promised us all you were going to quit and leave the blog

What ever happened to you keeping your word?

12Bar - you said you were leaving too,

What happened to that???


I guess Im just looking for DEMOCRATS TO BE HONEST

Im wrong to try to get them to do that, right?


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

@troll,

I'm serious. What is she trying to say? Do you understand it, because I sure don't. No snark intended."

Yes.

See http://bigpeace.com/pschweizer/2011/01/28/sarah-palin-schools-the-washington-post-on-history/

But don't tell anybody. They'll think you're starting to "like" her (as opposed to "like LIKING" her) and you'll lose your standing amongst your peers. Trust me on this, once you read Palin, unfiltered, there's no going back. Think Invasion of the Body Snatchers, but instead of Donald Sutherland there's Chris Matthews.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"State Rep. Sally Kern (R) has proposed the second anti-evolution bill this year in Oklahoma. Entitled the “Scientific Education and Academic Freedom Act,” the bill, which will be first considered next month, would require the state and local authorities to “assist teachers to find more effective ways to present the science curriculum where it addresses scientific controversies” and permit teachers to “help students understand, analyze, critique, and review” the scientific strengths and weaknesses of “existing theories.” But the only topics mentioned in the bill as contestable are “biological evolution, the chemical origins of life, global warming, and human cloning...

==

You guys have any idea how backwards America looks to the rest of the world when flyover-land does this junk?

Evolution is more solid a theory than the existence of atoms; global warming is evident everywhere on the surface of the world.

Republicans are like one step away from sacrificing their own kids because God is going to give them a purer way to reproduce. Real soon now. Bonkers, the whole filthy lot of them.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 28, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

12Bar

We all understand that your intelligence is so low that you can't even understand Sarah Palin.

We get it.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

12Bar

We all understand that your intelligence is so low that you can't even understand Sarah Palin.

We get it.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

The other day, Scott linked to a piece in the Daily Mail (a former BBC staffer was arguing that the BBC has leftism in its DNA). Aside from the merits of that piece, not a lot of folks know the the DM. It's a right wing tabloid with seriously low standards and which has been frequently used as a propaganda organ (specifically, stories have been placed into it so that they can then be referenced over here and brought into our media with the cache of objectivity and non-partisan sourcing - it's an old propaganda trick).

Anyway, that brings us to Melanie Phillips, a columnist for the Dialy Mail. A real sharp one, Melanie. She's hot on the gay agenda in Britain and there's this too...

"As a side-note, it’s especially galling to be accused of endangering children by Melanie Phillips, the journalist in Britain who has done more to recklessly endanger children than any other I can think of. She was the leading journalistic champion of the false claim that the MMR vaccine causes autism. She refused to listen to the overwhelming scientific consensus and instead promoted the claims of a fraudster called Andrew Wakefield. After she played a key role in spreading and popularizing his claims, the rate of children being vaccinated plummeted, and several have died.

Even after the British Medical Journal concluded that Wakefield staged an “elaborate fraud”, she has refused to apologise. I’d say persuading parents not to give their kids a life-saving vaccine based on the claims of a charlatan was a bigger “abuse of childhood” than teaching them that gay people exist, wouldn’t you?"

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-is-it-wrong-to-protect-gay-children-2196470.html

(h/t on this and previous to Balloon Juice)

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, let's see ... a Communist country was the first in space. The adoption of Communism turned the Soviet Union from a backward monarchy to a major world power in a single generation. Excruciatingly uncomfortable truths for the stamping and screaming crowd.

But hey wouldja get a load of that wondrous private sector, churning out those financial instruments!

Who cares what Palin's trying to say? Anyone still believing in her is demented.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 28, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

" Those comments sent Steve Stromberg at the Washington Post into a hyperbolic fit"

lol, I think this is one of those examples of "ironing"

You know, you people don't HAVE to defend all the moronic things that Palin says. You can say, "I believe in small government, but I still understand that Palin's statement that the USSR spent itself into oblivion doesn't make sense since the US under Reagan spent even more than the USSR in the arms race."

You could.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 28, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile - as all the liberals attempt to turn the US into a socialist paradise for workers, the economy is still collapsing

Regulators on Friday closed banks in Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Wisconsin, lifting to 11 the number of bank failures in 2011 following last year's toll of 157 taken down by the weak economy and piles of soured loans.

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. took over the banks: First Community Bank, based in Taos, N.M, with $2.3 billion in assets; FirsTier Bank, based in Louisville, Colo., with $781.5 million in assets; First State Bank of Camargo, Okla., with $43.5 million in assets; and Evergreen State Bank, based in Stoughton, Wis., with $246.5 million in assets.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

They'll think you're starting to "like" her

==

Never happen.

People go from liking Palin to disliking her, if not all the way to despising her. The opposite doesn't happen. The more people see, the less they like. This trend is rock solid.

And just look at what sort of people still like her. Ugh.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 28, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"You can say, "I believe in small government, but I still understand that Palin's statement that the USSR spent itself into oblivion doesn't make sense since the US under Reagan spent even more than the USSR in the arms race."

Uh, yeah, that would make total sense if the SU had had the economic capacity to spend all that money. But it sorta didn't.

Sheesh

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 28, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

But we realize that your #1 job is smearing any Republican you think could be a good future candidate.

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There you go again with the "we." Or did you mean wii?

Name one (1) potential good GOP candidate. I dare you.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 28, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

cao asked: "You guys have any idea...?"

Limiting the discussion to some of the folks here (I get Americans from all over in my store each week and the great majority are very cool) I don't think they do. Or when they grasp it, they have some cognitive/emotional/nationalistic out - "the French! And I care what THEY think?! Freedom fries it is, bub".

And every place has people like this. It's bell curve stuff, I suppose. But America does have certain historical and geographic facts which also enter into all of this but that gets to be a big and complicated story and difficult to get more than some pieces of.

And now I'm going home.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 28, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Which country will Mubarak live in and how many tons of gold will he bring with him? Remember, Democrats and Republicans: he is one of ours, he is ours. That means he earned it, hard work all that. Up the road, we don't like them, that means they are corrupt. No questions, this is clear, thank you.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama has to go

that is the only way to economic recovery.


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If Obama allows Egpyt to fall to an Islamic Revolution, that would be the most horrible thing to happen to the US in the Middle East since the Iranian Revolution.


The liberals just don't seem to understand that this is on the level of the Iranian Revolution -


AND there will be Islamic law in Egypt - and there WILL be suicide bombers coming out of Egypt, just like on 9/11.


LET ME BE CLEAR:

Obama is showing ZERO LEADERSHIP, OBAMA IS FAILING IN HIS MIDDLE EAST POLICY


Obama is a disaster.


Our foreign policy is about to take a major hit - and OBAMA JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON.


WE HAVE A FOOL RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT


Instead of being honest, the liberals just want to blindly follow the fool. There must be a word for THAT.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting that the payment of taxes should be entirely voluntary? Really? All taxes? No one should be required to pay any taxes? None at all?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | January 28, 2011 8:27 PM
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No, dummy, I never suggested any such thing, which should be obvious to anyone who read the post. I'm just wondering why people like you, who are always whining about people not paying their fair share, don't just step up and pay your fair share.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Man - this is like a Carter retread


Islamic Revolution in the Middle East - this time in Egypt

I hope we don't have hostages this time....

Obama simply DOES NOT know what he is talking about.


Obama is talking about "peaceful assembly" and these ISLAMIC REVOLUTIONARIES are burning police stations, burning party headquarters, attacking police.


OBAMA IS A FOOL.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

If someone has $1 million and spends it all, ending up in bankruptcy, another person who has $10 million and spends $2 million, that does not mean both people are bankrupt.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 28, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm aware of this, Bernie, that a (slim) majority of Americans are educated and logical. But what other First World nation has anything like America's fundamentalist underclass? What other would go along with the parade of the naked emperor as with Palin?

Posted by: caothien9 | January 28, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"...a (slim) majority of Americans are educated and logical..."

Is this a joke? A trap? A paradoxical flourish, or a beg the question debating device?

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The United States is in a foreign policy crisis right now

AND the liberals have FORCED the nation to be in the hands of an unqualified and inexperienced person

WE HAVE A FOOL RUNNING OUR FOREIGN POLICY


Thanks to the liberals, our foreign policy is going to be sub-par.


The American People are correct to have ZERO confidence in Obama. The liberals are the ones who insisted on IGNORING OBAMA'S LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS.


And now the country is hurting.

The country needs proper leadership - the liberals have REFUSED TO GIVE THE NATION THAT.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Brigade, it was obvious. Remember, you don't have to convince those who post.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 28, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm aware of this, Bernie, that a (slim) majority of Americans are educated and logical. But what other First World nation has anything like America's fundamentalist underclass? What other would go along with the parade of the naked emperor as with Palin?

Posted by: caothien9 | January 28, 2011 10:21 PM
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Listen to this fool. Someone who picked up his marbles and moved to Vietnam, a totally corrupt commie hellhole where boiled centipede is considered a delicacy and people are beaten for criticizing the government. At least he's not wasting any more of our oxygen.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse


The United States is in a foreign policy crisis right now

AND the liberals have FORCED the nation to be in the hands of an unqualified and inexperienced person

WE HAVE A FOOL RUNNING OUR FOREIGN POLICY


Thanks to the liberals, our foreign policy is going to be sub-par.


The American People are correct to have ZERO confidence in Obama. The liberals are the ones who insisted on IGNORING OBAMA'S LACK OF QUALIFICATIONS.


And now the country is hurting.

The country needs proper leadership - the liberals have REFUSED TO GIVE THE NATION THAT.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"...a (slim) majority of Americans are educated and logical..."

Is this a joke? A trap? A paradoxical flourish, or a beg the question debating device?

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Run with it!

Posted by: caothien9 | January 28, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm only asking a very simple question: what does Sputnik have to do with Spudnuts?

I have to read a magazine article to get a simple explanation?

I don't dislike Mrs. Palin. Most of the time I don't even know what she is talking about. I wonder if anyone else here knows.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 28, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Cao

Criticize your country now - apply the same standards.

You are vietnamese now - deal with their underclass.


There is a unversal sentiment on this blog - we want you to leave our country alone now. You have left - and we don't want to hear from you anymore.


We are convinced that your discontent has to do with your homosexuality


12bar blues has the same problem


Please stop complaining about everything and everyone around you - when the real issue is your own lack of adjustment to your sexual orientation. That is it.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

As someone pointed out, on a prior thread, the only reason any single male goes to Vietnam with Vïagra is to scréw little boys.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 28, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar: I'm not going to track down what Barbie actually said but on the evidence it would appear that the only thing the two have in common is starting with the same three letters.

Probably like "computer chips" / "potato chips."

Posted by: caothien9 | January 28, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's the quote:

"They produce something with their own ingenuity and hard work," she addsed "And here we see the former communist Soviet Union's advancement (before its government debt-ridden demise) vs. America's small businesses that are the backbone of our economy."

What can this mean?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 28, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"I'm only asking a very simple question: what does Sputnik have to do with Spudnuts?

I have to read a magazine article to get a simple explanation?"

Honestly 12bar, don't read the original. Go over to Kos, ThinkProgress, FireDogLake, something. Better yet, ask Bernie, shrink, Liam, wb or rukidding. There's nothing in it for you to actually read what she wrote. Nothing.

Really.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

12Bar

We all get it - you are dumber than Sarah Palin


However, somehow you are insisting on steering the conversation to make Sarah Palin look dumb - so you can enjoy the conversation.


RUN ALONG NOW - go spend some time with your lesbo girlfriend


And stop mocking people.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, troll, I'm quoting what she actually said.

I'm beginning to think you don't know what she means either.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 28, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

So everything printed in the Daily Mail can be dismissed as propaganda because Hari wants antigaybullying.educ codified and Melanie Phillips doesn't, plus she reported on Wakefield's side of the autism story?

And the Canadian Bishop's message is nothing new. Your Grade-13 reaction isn't very new either. Your wife should keep you out of the ganja, bro. I can usually tell when you're slizzered, you get somewhat stylistically porn-ish and often misogynist. At least you can get the professional therapeutic support you need for free and right in the next room.

Hari's a role-model, a prince:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/13/gayrights.thefarright

Posted by: tao9 | January 28, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

12 Bar

No one wants to mock Sarah Palin to satisfy your partisan desires.


It is ridiculous - and sexist.


We all understand that your sexual orientation has you at odds with the entire world.

You brought Cao here to disrupt the blog - which was you intention.


And now, you are still going on with your stupid questions - constantly insisting that people respond to you on some silly level.

It is out of control. All you are doing is lashing out at people because you never got along with your family on account of your sexual orientation.


That is about it.


___________________


Now there is Cao - moving to Vietnam FOR THE LITTLE BOYS


How much do you pay these little boys???


AND we still have to see Cao posting on this blog about how much he doesn't like THIS country.

AND he is the one in Vietnam - for the little boys.....


AND somehow the liberals like Greg Sargent find this ACCEPTABLE


To Greg Sargent, the Conservatives are the ones out-of-line, and Cao should be welcomed and cheered.

Sickness.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 28, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

@Chairman Cao "Hmm, let's see ... a Communist country was the first in space. The adoption of Communism turned the Soviet Union from a backward monarchy to a major world power in a single generation. Excruciatingly uncomfortable truths for the stamping and screaming crowd.'

Communism was applied in a way that created a major military power and it took more than a generation. Major world powers provide a high standard of living as a result of economic power spread across a vast part of their populace. We're still waiting for a communist political/economic system to accomplish that. The Chinese have abandoned the system Mao put in place because they've come to realize that the individual energy of people permitted to apply capitalism generates wealth, power and a higher standard of living. They permit while retaining a totalitarian form of rule.

You can be so absurd at times.

Posted by: actuator | January 28, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

"Lloyd C. Blankfein, the chief executive of Goldman Sachs got a raise: his bonus increased by $3.6 million, according to a regulatory filing. The firm’s board granted restricted stock valued at $12.6 million to Mr. Blankfein and other senior executives, including Gary D. Cohn, the firm’s president. The board also approved a new annual base salary of $2 million for its chief executive, up from $600,000. Mr. Cohn and others will see their base salaries increase to $1.85 million, according to the filing on Friday."

This is a lie, just ridiculous. I am laughing! These people make far more than this, put two more zeros behind the numbers. It is God's work. All about God. God's work.

This Judeo-Christian says he is doing God's work. Well, everyone knows God would not give a schmuck a six figure salary.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse


"Hey, troll, I'm quoting what she actually said.

I'm beginning to think you don't know what she means either."

Technically, your quoting somebody quoting her.  Here is a transcript of what she said.  DO NOT READ THE FOLLOWING:

VAN SUSTEREN: Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin is still with us. And Governor, last night there was a lot of discussion about the Sputnik moment that the president talked about. Do you agree with him? Do you — and is this our moment?
PALIN: That was another one of those WTF moments, when he so often repeated this Sputnik moment that he would aspire Americans to celebrate. And he needs to remember that what happened back then with the former communist USSR and their victory in that race to space, yes, they won, but they also incurred so much debt at the time that it resulted in the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union.
So I listened to that Sputnik moment talk over and over again, and I think, No, we don’t need one of those. You know what we need is a “spudnut” moment. And here’s where I’m going with this, Greta. And you’re a good one because you’re one of those reporters who actually gets out there in the communities, find these hard-working people and find solutions to the problems that Americans face.
Well, the spudnut shop in Richland, Washington — it’s a bakery, it’s a little coffee shop that’s so successful, 60-some years, generation to generation, a family-owned business not looking for government to bail them out and to make their decisions for them. It’s just hard-working, patriotic Americans in this shop.
We need more spudnut moments in America. And I wish that President Obama would understand, in that heartland of America, what it is that really results in the solutions that we need to get this economy back on the right track. It’s a shop like that.

Then the Usual Suspects "freak-out."

(See next comment)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

"...the individual energy of people permitted to apply capitalism generates wealth, power and a higher standard of living. They permit while retaining a totalitarian form of rule."

Yup. State Capitalism v Crony Capitalism.
Cold War 2.0 is on. Even the wing nuts are seeing it.
Liberals? No, they don't get it.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

(cont)

But, DO NOT READ THIS EITHER:

"Palin’s other point is that Sputnik was the sort of government bureaucratic program that got the Soviet Union in trouble;  it’s an example of what eventually did them in.  Citing Wikipedia (what journalistic ingenuity!),  Stromberg argues that actually the Soviet Union didn’t have a debt problem until some “thirty years after” Sputnik.  Perhaps instead of relying on Wikipedia,  Stromberg might have consulted Robert Gates’ book From the Shadows which chronicles, in part, his career as a Soviet analyst at the CIA.  (Just in case they are unaware at the Post, this is the same Robert Gates who is now the Secretary of Defense.)  On page 173, he accurately points out that the CIA knew early on of the “Soviet economic crisis.  From the late 1950s, CIA had clearly described the chronic weaknesses as well as the formidable military power of the Soviet Union.”  Hmmm.  Do you think this “chronic weaknesses might have had something to do with excessive bureaucracies and the size of government? Note to Stromberg:  you will have to close Wikipedia and actually crack a book for this one."

Which can be found here:

http://bigpeace.com/pschweizer/2011/01/28/sarah-palin-schools-the-washington-post-on-history/

Don't say I didn't warn you. I hope you come out the other side okay.

Godspeed. (no offense intended Bernie)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 28, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, everyone knows God would not give a schmuck a six figure salary.
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They are not the smartest people in the room for no reason. First, they use a different number system than base 10. Or, they have created a proprietary Goldman Sachs decimal system. Or, that is just the salary and bonus from GS, Inc. and not from the subsidiaries who pay separately.

Or something like that. Figuring out these guys is like playing Indian poker. We've got our cards stuck to our foreheads and they are holding theirs.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 28, 2011 11:41 PM | Report abuse

The other night, someone said China is doomed because the people will have a revolution.

No, China is using our debt to them as its national pension plan.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 28, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Before we get on to Mrs. Palin's other point, let me quote her exactly per Greta interview.

So I listened to that Sputnik moment talk over and over again, and I think, No, we don’t need one of those. You know what we need is a “spudnut” moment.

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And that means?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 28, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

If I were a Chinese Communist, I would buy as much American debt as I possibly could. The Americans pay their debts and our people are getting old. We are married to China, we will get used to it.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 29, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Major world powers provide a high standard of living as a result of economic power spread across a vast part of their populace

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Haven't been keeping up with current events, I take it.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"Before we get on to Mrs. Palin's other point, let me quote her exactly per Greta interview."

That's why I wrote: "Technically, your quoting someone quoting her.". And I should've used "you're" not "your."

So I listened to that Sputnik moment talk over and over again, and I think, No, we don’t need one of those. You know what we need is a “spudnut” moment.

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"And that means?"

Let a thousand flowers bloom.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 29, 2011 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Troll, what she said doesn't make any sense at all.

You don't recognize babble when you read it?

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Oh, yeah, of course. The magic of the free market.

You still buying that snake oil? What does it take?

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 12:06 AM | Report abuse

If no one can cogently paraphrase Mrs. Palin's comments in a sentence or two, they don't make sense.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 29, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

12BB:

"We do not need a massive government program like the Moon Project that was a manufactured reaction to Sputnik, we need lots of new small businesses like the Spudthingie."

Posted by: mark_in_austin | January 29, 2011 12:18 AM | Report abuse

"If no one can cogently paraphrase Mrs. Palin's comments in a sentence or two, they don't make sense."

Ah, then we agree, somebody who is unable to cogently paraphrase does not make sense. That's some powerful wisdom right there.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 29, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Mark. That is a sensible interpretation of what she said.

You see how it's done, Troll.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 29, 2011 12:25 AM | Report abuse

"You see how it's done, Troll."

I bow to the master and "apologize for all my shortcomings."

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | January 29, 2011 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"If no one can cogently paraphrase Mrs. Palin's comments in a sentence or two, they don't make sense. "

Doesn't matter. Miss Palin said it, so every single Conservative on here feels the need to support it to the death. Anyone can see what she said was idiotic, but I guess you lose your membership if you don't support Palin mindlessly.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 29, 2011 12:39 AM | Report abuse

When I asked the question, I was asking it in good faith. I thought it must make some kind of sense, and that I just wasn't getting it.

Looks like I'm not the only one who doesn't get it. If Mark's interpretation is correct, and so far that's the only one offered, I fail to see how a bunch of local service businesses on the order of donut shops would support the massive U.S. economy.

I think Mrs. Palin just wanted to talk about small business, and she didn't care how she segued into that subject.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 29, 2011 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Well if she in any way conceded that the government was able to manage a titanic engineering project like getting a man to the man *and back alive* then there would have been a massive head explosion among those who refer to thes'selves as "conservative." Remember. government IS the problem.

SO much better to come up with some unhealthy fast food gimmick than acutally achieve something worthy.

And you guys wonder why we laugh at you, and at her.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Yeah and we should leave things like highways to the pry-vit secter too. If you want highways, build your own. If you can't afford to build your own highways then the free market has spoken and you don't deserve them.

So we have twenty thousand highway systems instead of one. That's competition. Competition is good.

And so much better than having government do it. Remember, government IS the problem.

Really, trolls, don't you ever feel just a little manipulated and used being forced to defend this cretin?

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Sputnik was doubly bad. It was a Communist project, which defies what Palin calls "common sense," and it led to a massive US government project, an idea that has "conservatives" seeing auras and getting short of breath.

So we never should have had a space program, never should have experienced the pride we felt seeing those stage rockets lifting off with United States of America painted on the sides.

We should have used that money to cut taxes for the rich to, you know, spur investment.

Ugh, what a dead-end, barren, empty ideology.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 1:10 AM | Report abuse

"I bow to the master and "apologize for all my shortcomings."

It's funny because it's stale.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 29, 2011 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Miss Palin said it, so every single Conservative on here feels the need to support it to the death.

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And they will. They'll scream their defiance at anyone who doesn't see the empress' gold finery.

This woman makes one plainly and purely idiotic remark after another. After Giffords one would think she'd have the decency to fade into the woodwork or go ahead and have that hotel room OD we all know is coming, but no, here she goes again, shooting off that idiot mouth and denigrating one of the greatest achievements of the human race just to get some more attention.

I'll stop here but I feel like posting something that the trolls would screech about and demand I be banned for.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Troll: ""Well, the spudnut shop in Richland, Washington — it’s a bakery, it’s a little coffee shop that’s so successful, 60-some years, generation to generation, a family-owned business not looking for government to bail them out""

Funny thang about Richland, WA... it's the site of the Hanford site (formerly Hanford Engineering Work, a part of the Manhattan Project). It wouldn't be a wide spot in the road of Uncle Sugar hadn't wanted big ol' bombs to fry Japanese people with.

So, there's that. I'm betting Spudnuts wouldn't do so well in Frog Holler, KY, since they don't have a big nuke site there, e.g. not so many J-O-B-S.
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Posted by: jprestonian | January 29, 2011 1:23 AM | Report abuse

So, yeah... I guess the owner of Spudnuts in Richland, WA was pretty savvy by **building his business where the U.S. Government was spending railroad cars of cash to create jobs on the Manhattan Project**. Just like all those genius capitalists who got in on the Iraq gig. That's what we need more of -- that's what Sarah meant!
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Posted by: jprestonian | January 29, 2011 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey, jprestonian .. don't rag on poor Richland. That place is one of the most boring and tired cities in the country. I lived in Kennewick when the first of the closings was announced and, well, you never saw so many letters to the editor all but demanding that we have a nuclear war, and right now too.

You're talking about people who get piss-tested every week, and not for pot, either.

But you're right, it wouldn't be anything more than a single dirt road parting the sand without the federal dollars.

Got that, trolls? *Federal* dollars. Stick a spudnut up THAT, Sarah.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Troll, what she said doesn't make any sense at all.

You don't recognize babble when you read it?

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 12:04 AM
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LOL. There's a hanger. Now, for the next five hours it will be DDAWD and caothien9 ---and the recently arrived sockpuppet jprestonian, just so it appears they can at least approximate a circle.

Posted by: Brigade | January 29, 2011 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Clearly, what we must all do, is buy a little patch of land/building near the next big Uncle Sugar project (renewable energy, perhaps?), and start a doughnut shop. That is clearly the deeper meaning, here.
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Posted by: jprestonian | January 29, 2011 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Renewable energy? When the USA is the Saudi Arabia of coal? What are you, some sort of treehugger?

Next thing you'll be telling me that cutting taxes reduces revenue and that humans evolved from apes!

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 1:54 AM | Report abuse

I’m just totally amazed, literally. no snark intended, that some people on this blog who have demonstrated intelligence through many of their posts can just embarrass themselves through repeated defense of a poorly educated person who spouts absurdities.

WTF INDEED! It’s like some massive invasion of the right wing brain snatchers. OK Troll I went to your link and thought W-T-F is he talking about…there was just more sycophantic Bullshite from yet another Palinista…then Troll did us all a favor and posted what he wanted us to read.

“That was another one of those WTF moments, when he so often repeated this Sputnik moment that he would aspire Americans to celebrate”

Troll did you leave out the (sic) after aspire. We can only assume the Wasilla word mangler really meant “inspire” A person aspires for something…they can’t aspire somebody else for something. Jeebus..”refudiate”..I’m no etymologist but when someone’s vocabulary is not even up to a bright high school student’s level…she’s UNEDUCATED. Do you people not value the English language? How long are you going to look the other way while she murders syntax and can’t even differentiate between simple words repudiate-refudiate(not even a word LMAO) aspire-inspire
And WTF…does the religious Sister Sarah even know what that acronym means? Does it show a shred of class (oops we’ve already determined the Wasilla Hillbilly is classless), a shred of “gravitas” to use that acronym in a response to a Presidential SOTU? But then everybody but those who have had their brain’s snatched realizes Palin is not a serious person.

“And he needs to remember that what happened back then with the former communist USSR and their victory in that race to space, yes, they won,”

Duh talk about revisionist history…no Sputnik was simply the first lap in a race the Soviets LOST!

“but they also incurred so much debt at the time that it resulted in the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union”

Again revisionist history. Historians would say that the Soviet Union bankrupted itself in the arms race with Saint Ronnie, with Afghanistan the proverbial straw that broke the Bear’s back. Only Palin and her acolytes posit that the “space race” bankrupted the USSR some 30 years later. Speaking of Aghanistan and bankruptcy…..

“And you’re a good one because you’re one of those reporters who actually gets out there in the communities, find these hard-working people and find solutions to the problems that Americans face. And I wish that President Obama would understand, in that heartland of America,”

More divisive “real” America…”heartland” of America. Is she perhaps referring to the red states like Alaska whose “real” Americans mooch from the “unreal” Americans taking more $$$ from the Federal Gov’t than they contribute? Sister Sarah ran her state so well..they are such rugged individualists that they suck up almost $2 for every $1 they pay. Sister Sarah the ultimate "Welfare Queen"

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 29, 2011 3:42 AM | Report abuse

edit...OMG Looking at "Palin English" is beginning to warp my brain...

A person aspires "to" not "for"...
Perhaps Palin meant the President inspired Americans to aspire...hard to tell with her word garbage.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 29, 2011 4:05 AM | Report abuse

..I’m no etymologist but when someone’s vocabulary is not even up to a bright high school student’s level…she’s UNEDUCATED.

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Palin is about thirty years past high school. Even if she didn't know basic vocabulary at age 17 she's had three decades of exposure, three decades spent in work and public office, nominally in contact with language, and she still doesn't know them.

She's more than uneducated. She's stupid.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 4:08 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin = the face that launched a thousand twits

. . . scrambling on a daily basis to flyspeck every word she says for any slight error or ambiguous construction that can be twisted or blown up to the next big "gaffe."

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But they aren't "slight errors.". They're fundamental mistakes about events that occurred during her own lifetime. She constantly gets her facts wrong, she babbles like a cockatoo, and she lies a lot.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 4:17 AM | Report abuse

@Cao What are you doing in Vietnam?

I ask you directly because of course you've read the slander from the right about your purpose for being there. Are you now officially an expatriate, or simply on a work assignment?

I was stationed in Bien Hoa back in the day and used to get into Saigon occasionally. In 1969 we liked to hang out in the Cho Lon district...if I remember correctly that was the "Chinese" neighborhood...our main reason for partying in Cho Lon is because it was widely believed that is where "Charlie" also took his R&R, consequently less danger. Somehow when both sides are getting "laid" in the same neighborhood a certain Pu$$y Pax ensues. :-)

My brother in law is married to a Vietnamese woman and they plan to visit in a couple of months. They were astounded at some of the prices on things like hotel rooms. What's their food expense going to be like?

Not sure why I'm asking you Cao when Brigade can tell me all I need to know about that "hell hole" even though he's never taken the time to live there. LOL

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 29, 2011 4:22 AM | Report abuse

Actually I've only seen a little of that slander, ruk, mostly I TH away the potty mouths like Brigade and of course nobody reads RFR, but sometimes I read on my iPad and skipping over the trolls becomes an act of will, will that I have, but once in a while I see things as they scroll by.

I'm not here for "little boys," that would be Thailand and 28 is about the youngest that even turns my head. I have a partner of close to 20 years, he's from here. I'm here go retire relatively young, and enjoy my remaining decades, retiring while still in great health and where my savings will last me.

I've been writing software for a quarter century, I still love the work but have come to hate the industry and since my last gig was great and had not a single troublemaker, and my house here was ready to occupy and my command of the language acceptable, I took the plunge.

I live in Cần Thơ, about 160 km from Hồ Chí Mình City, a nice town with a thriving middle class and very few tourists.

I dislike TPHCM, it's crowded and smokey and it takes forever to get anywhere, I would stay in the USA before I'd live there.

I live in leisure and luxury, spending time reading the stuff I didnt have time for while working, physics mostly, I love the food here, and I have a lot of friends, most of whom I can barely understand. But immersion really works learning a language, and I could not be more immersed.

Dunno why you bother reading Brigade, from what little I see and what I remember from The Fix, he's the local benchmark for immaturity. He used to talk about Vietnamese eating bugs and sewer rats and I've seen enough to spare him no more of my time. I like it here, and he doesn't know anything about it.

The big holiday Tết is just starting. Imagine Xmas going on three weeks with Labor Day rolled in, good time to go out as little as possible.

Chúc mừng năm mới,
CT in CT

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 5:27 AM | Report abuse

Oh, sorry, forgot your question.

Food is about a fifth what it costs in the USA. Sometimes astonishingly cheap. I recommend skipping the restaurants per se and eating at the bình dân (popular) places, noodle houses and vegetarian. Dinner for four with seafood and drinks will run under $10 (VNĐ 200,000). Go vegetarian and a meal can be an astonishing VNĐ 10,000. Decent hotel $10/night for two. All these prices go way up in Saigon tourist areas.

In the past we got two weeks of taxis, meals and hotels for two for like $300.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Honesty, better late than never, I suppose...

"When the Heritage Foundation first announced that it was pulling out of this year's Conservative Political Action Conference, the conservative institution was quick to say that the controversy over the inclusion of gay Republican group GOProud at the conference had nothing to do with it.

Instead, they said the decision was financial. Now they've changed their tune. A spokesperson told the New York Times that "GOProud was one element in the decision."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/heritage-foundation-now-says-g.html?hpid=moreheadlines

And Weirich's "fight for the heart and soul of the Republican Party" continues apace.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 29, 2011 6:22 AM | Report abuse

In his June, 2009 Cairo speech, Obama warned Arab governments about ruling with the consent of their people. It seems the people got the message. I think what we are seeing is an Obama Effect.

Posted by: rhallnj | January 29, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

The important thing is still the economy

And the only way to get the Economy is a serious Growth mode right now - and serious job creation - is to get rid of Obama as fast as possible.


If Obama will not resign, the country is going to need a MASSIVE EFFORT to dislodge the lying, deceitful liberals (LDL)


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 29, 2011 6:36 AM | Report abuse

All, a fresh Open Thread for you:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/open_thread_18.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 29, 2011 7:08 AM | Report abuse

tao said:
"So everything printed in the Daily Mail can be dismissed as propaganda"

Neither said nor implied. But what I did say is accurate.

" because Hari wants antigaybullying.educ codified and Melanie Phillips doesn't"

More to the point, because she is a bigot.

"plus she reported on Wakefield's side of the autism story?"

No, because she refuses to withdraw her comments even after the story was shown to be fraudulent.

"And the Canadian Bishop's message is nothing new. "

No, it isn't, but this is a clear reiteration of the doctrine. And the doctrine is "grounded" in the personal facts and history of, most acutely, Augustine. In my view (which I know you are pleased, in the spirit of free thinking and free speech, to express) his influence on the Church re sexuality is deeply pathological and historically/theologically unfortunate.

"Your Grade-13 reaction isn't very new either. Your wife should keep you out of the ganja, bro. I can usually tell when you're slizzered, you get somewhat stylistically porn-ish and often misogynist. At least you can get the professional therapeutic support you need for free and right in the next room."

I expect a few years of analysis would have its benefits but (shhh, don't tell on me) I am unwilling to take certain central tenets of Freudian theory as empirically-based and do not find them intuitively compelling. But when I wrote the above I was still at work and quite un-highish (normal frequency, if it's of any interest, is about once per two weeks)

And I still like you.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 29, 2011 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Murddoch in Britain update...

"Phone hacking: show of unity can't hide cracks in News Corp
Tensions simmer as 'frustrated' Rupert Murdoch flies in to face phone-hacking affair, Andy Gray row and troubled Sky bid"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/28/phone-hacking-unity-news-corp

One might draw the conclusion from my posting on this matter and on this fellow that I find him to be one of the most vile and destructive humans presently walking about. That would be correct, I do think exactly that. Wherever he sets up his operations, civic discourse heads straight to the bottom.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 29, 2011 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Getting serious about those regulators keeping Wall Street financiers from achieving full self-actualization...

Financier 'threatened to kill regulators'
Vincent McCrudden arrested in New York on charges of threatening to torture and kill Wall Street regulators

...McCrudden said he had hired "professionals" to torture and kill Driscoll. "They have things they will do to you that will make you beg to be killed, shot, anything to get away from the pain," he wrote. "And the great thing is, you will be the first, but not the last."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jan/28/financial-sector-usa

Posted by: bernielatham | January 29, 2011 7:26 AM | Report abuse

For those who missed an earlier link to this...

"The billionaires are coming: Obama's richest enemies to hold summit
Koch brothers to host rightwing politicians and business leaders at California resort to discuss how to influence politics"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/28/obama-richest-enemies-billionaires-summit

Posted by: bernielatham | January 29, 2011 7:30 AM | Report abuse

"But they aren't "slight errors.". They're fundamental mistakes about events that occurred during her own lifetime. She constantly gets her facts wrong, she babbles like a cockatoo, and she lies a lot."

Your fever dreams aren't reality.

"there was just more sycophantic Bullshite from yet another Palinista…"

Actually, the author factually refuted this latest ignorant attack on her. As I said a long time ago, you seem to have trouble distinguishing facts from opinions or "Bullshite."

"Troll did you leave out the (sic) after aspire."

OMG! She mispoke one word for a similar one, or more likely made the common spoken error of starting a sentence one way and then finishing it differently, in a TV sat interview! She's stupid! A brilliant person like BO would SO never do something like that!

"And WTF…does the religious Sister Sarah even know what that acronym means?"

No, I'm sure she used it without knowing it had that double-entendre meaning. When she said "WTF moment" she meant "Winning the Future moment."

"Does it show a shred of class (oops we’ve already determined the Wasilla Hillbilly is classless), a shred of “gravitas” to use that acronym in a response to a Presidential SOTU?"

Like OMG! So crude! If she were VP, she'd probably be using the F word at WH press conferences! Thank goodness we have a VP with class and gravitas! (lololol!)

"Duh talk about revisionist history…no Sputnik was simply the first lap in a race the Soviets LOST!"

Duh it right, ruk. Sputnik was considered the winning salvo in the race "to" space, bud. That's what she said. You are trying way to hard and lookin silly.

"Again revisionist history. Historians would say that the Soviet Union bankrupted itself in the arms race ...."

Guess you really read the link carefully, huh? Historians and our own intelligence analyses said the SU in fact was on the road to bankruptcy way back then with Sputnik. Sorta common sense if you use your head. Epic fail, ruk. (You said I use that term, so I might as well.)

"More divisive “real” America…”heartland” of America."

We know, it's fine for D's to use the same kind of language and concepts, but not Rs. Rs aren't allowed to refer to the people you folks trash on a daily basis or parts of the country you scorn.

You clearly have end-stage PDS. Like I said, this isn't even a matter of defending her or what she says. It's just a matter of laughing at those of you who are so unhinged by your hatred of her that you make up the most ludicrous slanders and hyperventilate over every awkward construction that comes out of her mouth in a tv interview. It's embarassing, but not for her.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 29, 2011 7:33 AM | Report abuse

hey a piece about my people

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/28/AR2011012803990.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: shrink2 | January 29, 2011 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Kim Clijsters, what a mom!

Posted by: shrink2 | January 29, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse

No fever dreams, qb1; Palin said the Soviet space program broke them. That's flat out idiotic.

And so, I hasten to add, are you. You need to mud wrestle with a pig to defend Palin, which is why you end up writing enraged inarticulate junk like that.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Are you suggesting that the payment of taxes should be entirely voluntary? Really? All taxes? No one should be required to pay any taxes? None at all?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | January 28, 2011 8:27 PM
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No, dummy, I never suggested any such thing, which should be obvious to anyone who read the post. I'm just wondering why people like you, who are always whining about people not paying their fair share, don't just step up and pay your fair share.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 10:20 PM

Who decides what amounts to "fair share" ... you? Going back to your original post:

wonder what that fair share may be and why it necessarily requires government coercion to extract it. If bsimon isn't paying his fair share, why doesn't he simply . . . well, maybe he's misplaced his checkbook.

Posted by: Brigade | January 28, 2011 7:11 PM

When does the "coercion" kick in? 10% is not coercion but something more is?

Posted by: pragmaticagain | January 29, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Palin did not say the Soviet space program broke them. She said that BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDING broke them. Kinda like it will us if we don't rein it in.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 29, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

No, Jake, she said their space program broke them.

Same woman who yaps about Reagan "winning the Cod War."

She doesn't even remember what she said fifteen seconds ago.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 29, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Who is Jake? Is YOUR Troll Hunter broke?

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 29, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

What she actually said:

"That was another one of those WTF moments, when he so often repeated this Sputnik moment that he would aspire Americans to celebrate. And he needs to remember that what happened back then with the former communist USSR and their victory in that race to space, yes, they won, but they also incurred so much debt at the time that it resulted in the INEVITABLE collapse of the Soviet Union." (Emphasis Added)

As part of "inevitable" I include the race for a space-based missile defense system that, yes, REAGAN finally used to push them over the edge.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 29, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Clawrance Opines:
Palin did not say the Soviet space program broke them. She said that BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDING broke them

Uhhh...to be more accurate, she contrasted the top down Soviet style economy to the free market economy of the US. It wasn't a direct comparison of debt.
It also misses the historical point that the Soviet Union collapsed as a result of the internal stresses. You had one fairly small, corrupt and inept group of politicians centered around Moscow who were incapable of responding to popular revolts in it's satellites (Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, etc). Nationalism among the Warsaw pact countries made the Soviet Union unsustainable.
Trying to explain it doesn't really help. When you do something stupid, which we all do, it's usually best to just try to do better next time.

Posted by: dijetlau | January 29, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: eddagregg | January 30, 2011 3:03 AM | Report abuse

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