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Posted at 11:24 AM ET, 01/31/2011

Nonstop idiocy about Obama and `American exceptionalism'

By Greg Sargent

A lot of people have already jumped on Kathleen Parker for her column yesterday faulting Obama for not using the actual phrase "American exceptionalism" in his State of the Union speech. But to me the funniest part of her column is that way down in the seventeenth paragraph, she actually admitted that one of the primary pieces of evidence allegedly proving that Obama doesn't believe in "American exceptionalism" is total nonsense.

Conservatives often deride Obama over remarks he made at a presser in April of 2009, in which he said that he believes in American exceptionalism "just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." But as Parker apparently felt compelled to acknowledge, that's not all he said:

His answer has haunted him since:

"I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."

I remember thinking at the time: Bzzzzt. Wrong, Harvard. That is not the correct answer. There was more to his response, in fact, but the impression was already set.

What Obama added was that "we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that, though imperfect, are exceptional."

Not so hard to say after all?

Now, as it happens, Obama also said at that presser that he is "enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world." And he hailed America's "continued extraordinary role in leading the world towards peace and prosperity." Parker didn't tell you about those two quotes.

But I'll take it: Unlike many conservatives, she was at least willing to acknowledge at that presser Obama also described America as "exceptional." Many on the right have airbrushed this inconvenient fact out of the record.

That this admission comes in a column faulting Obama for not using the phrase in his speech last week, of course, tells you all you need to know about how absurd and self-parodic this ongoing attack has become.

By Greg Sargent  | January 31, 2011; 11:24 AM ET
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Conservatives apparently don't do context.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | January 31, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

@Greg

"But I'll take it..."

No, Greg. Don't take that kind of backhanded "compliment as an insult" bulls#!t. While not the same subject matter, it's the exact same sort of parsing of words and hedging that we see when conservative pundits insinuate doubt in Pres. Obama's birth, HCR killing seniors, and the other myriad of lies they spew out on a daily basis.

Don't accept this kind of crap, ever. It's allowing this kind of stuff to fly as "reasonable" that also allows them to give their wink-wink nod-nod on stories that involve much more insidious attacks on both our President and our Government.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | January 31, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I guess Kathleen Parker does not grasp that when Obama said America does big things, that is what we do, that was actually just another way of praising America for always being exceptional.

Everyday that passes, Kathleen starts to unleash her inner Palin, more and more.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 31, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

BBQ -- fair enough. Thanks.

And agreed Chuck, context apparently is the enemy ;)

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 31, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

There is a very interesting divide emerging on the right, with regards to Egypt. Some of them are rushing to give George W. Bush all the credit for the anti-Mubarak demonstrations,
while we have both the government of Israel, and guys like John Bolton, calling for the Obama Administration, and other western leaders to do what ever they can to keep Mubarak in power.

I wonder how the Kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia are feeling today, about guys like Abrams bragging about how George W. Bush is the guy who set it up for them to be overthrown.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 31, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

"absurd and self-parodic" -- that's all the gop has left. their politics are like bad satire.

Posted by: fiona5 | January 31, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent does a great job with this blog 99.5% of the time but this post is part of the .5%. Who cares? No wonder why most people aren't engaged in politics when this type of "argument" is worthy of a post in the venerable Washington Post.

Posted by: Aerowaz | January 31, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Benen has a post up on this same topic.

"Robert Schlesinger did some worthwhile digging over the weekend on this point, and discovered something interesting.

Only one sitting president in the last 82 years has publicly uttered the magical phrase "American exceptionalism" -- care to guess who it is? Ronald Reagan, he of the "shining city on a hill?" George W. Bush, who closed his speeches by asking that "God continue to bless" America? Nope. The only president to publicly discuss (and for that matter embrace) "American exceptionalism" is Barack Obama.

This would be the same president, of course, who is subject to a steadily rising stream of suspicion because of his supposed refusal to give voice sufficient voice to his love of country.

Yes, the one word conservatives "long to hear" has been uttered at the presidential level, but it wasn't a Republican who said it. Ironically, it was Obama who did what Reagan and Bush did not, though he's facing baseless attacks for doing what his detractors choose to ignore."

Tell Kathleen Parker to suck on that for a while.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 31, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

His "praising" America is simply cover for his true anti-colonial mindset:

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem_print.html

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 31, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Tell Kathleen Parker to suck on that for a while.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 31, 2011 11:41 AM

.......................

I don't think we should, considering who her TV partner is.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 31, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

aerowaz -- I guess that's a fair objection, except that the Parker column appeared in the washington post.

and liam, thanks for making my day. :)

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 31, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Didn't The Founding Fathers have an "anti-colonial mind set"?

Imagine the mind sets of the Tea Party Obama hating cretins, when they start attacking him with the claim that he is "anti-colonial".

Sounds like The Tea Party Imbeciles are longing to have The British Empire ruling America again.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 31, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we should, considering who her TV partner is.
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I'm just spitzing my coffee all over the screen. Bwhahahaha!!!

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 31, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

@Greg

While I agree with your lead..."nonstop idiocy" it is a story worth reporting...especially in the context of the right continually coming up with what Aerowaz accurately describes as "Who cares? No wonder why most people aren't engaged in politics"

Alas anybody who has a "Fox Geezer"for a parent like me, anybody who reads some of the posts here on the PL realize that this "idiocy" resounds with a large group of "idiots".

I'm sorely disappointed that Parker would go this route. Perhaps her Cable show is desperate for ratings but really. Obama went on and on as you and others have documented Greg..extolling the virtues or our great nation...but he didn't use the word exceptional or exceptionalism...jeesh.

ex·cep·tion·al·ism
noun \ik-ˈsep-shnə-ˌli-zəm, -shə-nə-\
Definition of EXCEPTIONALISM
: the condition of being different from the norm;

Obama put the concept of American being founded on ideas right up front. He used personal and bi partisan (John Boehner) examples to illustrate his point. WTF

Yes our founding was exceptional..as in different from the norm.

But are we also exceptionally callous...different from the norm when it comes to providing healthcare?

Have we become exceptionally militaristic with Armies and Navy's around the world...two interminable wars...killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians?
Not exceptional by historic standards but by 21st Century standards? What other major power currently occupies our aggressive position..occupying two sovereign nations...well they used to be sovereign until we invaded...what other country has major leaders threatening invasion of other nations if they don't get their way? Does that not also make us exceptional?

I just think they are not only being foolish to fixate on any single word...they haven't even fixated on a good choice. Exceptional is a specific qualifier that is not good or bad. There are many different ways to be exceptional. Such as exceptionally arrogant. Napoleon was exceptional...was that a good thing?
Pol Pot was exceptionally ruthless...well you get the point.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 31, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still, you may not think so, but I assure you that an anti-colonial mindset against the British in 1776 is very different than an anti-colonial mindset against America in 2011.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 31, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Your welcome. In the words of my good friend Bugs Bunny: "Ain't I a stinker".

Greg,

Did you know that your current system will censor certain words, but will not tell you that which words it is blocking, but instead, will just kick the entire comment into the "for comment review" limbo, without ever revealing what part of the comment it objects to.

I have to go stock up on some groceries, because all the forecasters are saying that a blizzard, with two feet of snow and forty mile an hour whiteout conditions is heading this way.

I will check back later; so keep the teapot handy, and the kettle warm on the hob.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 31, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I found this to be a more interesting quote from the same article:

"On the right, the word "exceptional" - or "exceptionalism" - lately has become a litmus test for patriotism. It's the new flag lapel pin, the one-word pocket edition of the U.S. Constitution. To many on the left, it has become birther code for "he's not one of us.""

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/28/AR2011012805190.html

The interesting thing to me is on these sorts of issues, Obama usually tries to make a case for a nuanced view of things, then ultimately caves to avoid the controversy that he views as a distraction from more important issues and ends up satisfying no one.

See the original flag pin "controversy" from the campaign:
1. Obama doesn't wear a flag pin.
2. People accuse him of being unpatriotic.
3. Obama attempts to explain that patriotism involves more than wearing a flag pin.
4. Criticism continues, distracting from the campaign's attempt to get their message out.
5. Obama starts wearing the flag pin to get rid of the criticism and get back on message.
6. Critics aren't satisfied because they suspect (correctly) that he doesn't actually agree with them.
7. The people who were supporting his original position that a flag pin doesn't equal patriotism feel hung out to dry because he caved.
8. The whole episode ends up feeding the ongoing "What Does Obama Really Believe" narrative.

See also "clinging to guns and religion"

Posted by: jnc4p | January 31, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Liam

That blizzard hit CO this morning and my daughter says it's a doozy which means it'll be even worse in your neck of the woods.

Posted by: lmsinca | January 31, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The reality is that very few Americans care what Obama says or does not say. We are sick of hearing him speak. The man is a born liar. He should just shut up for a while and leave us alone. He should be pretty busy this week trying to have it both ways while throwing his buddy Mubarak under the bus.

We are still waiting for him to give permission for his "original" hospital long form birth certificate to be released. Why would he not give permission? Even his friend the Governor of Hawaii has been denied his request to get to see the "original" birth certificate. If it exists he should make it public to put to rest the rumors. Also, several states will be putting new proof requirements into state election laws to get someone put on the ballot. If he doesn't produce the certificate he will forfeit quite a few electoral votes should he decide to run again.

Posted by: nychap44 | January 31, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand the left's reaction to this issue. The simple fact is that this is a play coming right out of the liberal's anti Bush playbook.

Obama will be assailed from every direction, for everything, non stop 7/24. The tide of criticism about Obama will become so strong that even little Chrissy Matthews will not be able to stem it.

Look for constant repetition of things like this. Every verbal gaffe, every whiff of incompetance in his Administration, every thing that goes wrong will be laid at Mr Obama's feet.

That's what the left did to Mr. Bush, they should expect no less now that they are on the recieving end.

turnabout, my liberal cickadees, is fair play.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 31, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Palin spent the weekend clinging to guns and religion.

That is a good thing, because if she did not have those things to anchor her, that Balloon Head, would float into outer space.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 31, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Well, the Right is in a tizzy this week because even Rassmussen has Obama over 50% so they're gonna throw anything they can at the wall and see if it sticks.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | January 31, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Greg, you need to add to your article President Obama is the only President recently to use the phrase American Exceptionalism just to get it on the record.

I'd fact check it first though unlike your conservative counterparts that just misinform and don't bother to do any sort of corrections down the road.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 31, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

@jnp4,

Good and interesting comments. I like your list.

I'll make a corollary list to yours:

1. When people want to create a narrative "What Does Obama Really Believe", they will criticize him because his hair is too short.
2. Obama explains that the length of his hair really doesn't matter.
3. Criticism continues that the length of his hair proves that he is an anti colonialist.
4. Finally Obama capitulates and lets his hair grow longer.
5. He lets his fans down who took the side of the short hair argument.
6. This validates the narrative "What Does Obama Really Believe".

This will always go on. There is no lack of grist to feed the mill. The real tradeoff is, as you say, what really gets done in the big picture.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 31, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's an article on who's used the phrase American Exceptionalism.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2011/01/31/obama-has-mentioned-american-exceptionalism-more-than-bush

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 31, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Saying it doesn't make it so.

Posted by: jckdoors | January 31, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"The reality is that very few Americans care what Obama says or does not say."

Particularly birthers such as yourself.

I mean, anyone who uses words over four letters too often and doesn't dress up in Barney outfits or uses hand puppets wouldn't hold your attention for very long.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 31, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Who would even follow this notion of a story - but a hater. Meehhhh - next.

Posted by: PulSamsara | January 31, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr. President, you have to use the exact words the conservatives tell you to use or it doesn't count? Remember, Mr. President, no paraphrasing. Spell it out A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N E-X-C-E-P-T-I-O-N-A-L-I-S-M. And say it slowly. Repeat several times. Ok, I think you've got it.

Posted by: rcairo | January 31, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

@pulsamsara:
You wrote:
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Who would even follow this notion of a story - but a hater. Meehhhh - next.
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What's wrong with hate all of a sudden?

here are the words of a liberal stalwart, Jonathan Chait, in the New Republic:
"I hate President George W. Bush. There, I said it. I think his policies rank him among the worst presidents in U.S. history. And, while I'm tempted to leave it at that, the truth is that I hate him for less substantive reasons, too. I hate the inequitable way he has come to his economic and political achievements and his utter lack of humility (disguised behind transparently false modesty) at having done so..."

The left hated Bush. So spare me the retrospective smarm. Turnabout: learn it, live it, love it.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 31, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, nychap44, the States which pass that legislation didn't vote for him last time around. We need California or New York to pass that legislation ; )

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 31, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Shame on Kathleen and she deserves to be called out.

Did these idiots not hear his Democratic convention speech in 2004 or his recent State of the Union address?

It's amazing that anyone would write a column critizing Pres. Obama for not using the words 'American exceptionalism'.

Their others phrases and/or definitions to describe Pres. Obama didn't work: teleprompter president; socialist; arrogant; etc. so they came up with this stupidity.

Posted by: rlj1 | January 31, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

All, increasing signs Dems are taking an aggressive approach to the battle over government spending:

http://wapo.st/gbHVLo

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 31, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The irony here is that those things that made the U.S. truly exceptional were battered, tarnished, and swept away over 8 years of GOP leadership. An exceptional U.S. does not torture or hold prisoners without trial, it does not illegally wiretap citizens, it does not conduct illegal wars, it does not roll back regulations that protect the nation's financial health and natural resources. An exceptional U.S. does not implement policies and regulations designed to further enrich the wealthy, impoverish the masses, and increase the divide between the haves and have nots. An exceptional U.S. does not give corporations the same voice and vote it gives to citizens.

Unfortunately, conservatives understand the phrase American exceptionalism to mean that the rules apply to all Americans except them.

Posted by: rgray | January 31, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Recasting this as GW Bush's doing seems a brazen attempt try validate something (anything!) that came out of his tenure. The thinking seems to be that if you say it enough, and have it published enough, some day it will be true. Don't you think so, Tinkerbell?

Posted by: peter60 | January 31, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

this is nonsense:
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The irony here is that those things that made the U.S. truly exceptional were battered, tarnished, and swept away over 8 years of GOP leadership. An exceptional U.S. does not torture or hold prisoners without trial, it does not illegally wiretap citizens, it does not conduct illegal wars, it does not roll back regulations that protect the nation's financial health and natural resources. An exceptional U.S. does not implement policies and regulations designed to further enrich the wealthy, impoverish the masses, and increase the divide between the haves and have nots. An exceptional U.S. does not give corporations the same voice and vote it gives to citizens.

Unfortunately, conservatives understand the phrase American exceptionalism to mean that the rules apply to all Americans except them.

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this is just too funny. apparently rgray was so impressed with himself that he just forgot all about the Nisei. Just take a quick look at what FDR did to those unfortunate German Spies that were caught paddling ashore during WW2. Do you really think that FDR gave a rat's patoot about their habeus rights?

And America tortured nobody during the Bush admin. Nobody.

Who signed the law repealing glass-steagel?

Are we out of Iraq yet? didn't Barry boy just escalate in A stan? Gitmo closed yet? Read anything in Mother Jones or any other liberal rag wherein Obama claims to have ceased the use of the all the tools made available by the patriot act? Hmmmmm?

I could go on, but the point is simple: the author of the above knows little beyond what the liberal dogma explains. How sad.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 31, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

funny, I usually associate the right with being against all things PC.

Yet here they are, telling Obama he isn't PC no matter how much he says about America's greatness and uniqueness unless he uses the PC word.

Posted by: JoeT1 | January 31, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Greg Sargent accusing someone else of idiocy -- if that isn't the pot calling the kettle, um, black. (Just worried the ol' Sarge might play the race card on me for using that last term)

But why are you even engaging is such name-calling in the first place Greggie? Haven't you been paying attention to your Savior-in-Chief, who's been saying we have to be more civil towards each other? Oh, I forgot; lefties have a hypocrisy waiver (something to do with the Americans with Disabilities Act).

Besides, it's in your genetic makeup, as a librul, to paint a label on others that actually belongs on your own rear end, uh, I mean forehead. Keep it up sir, I enjoy your own idiocy for pure entertainment value.

Posted by: braunt | January 31, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"We are still waiting for him to give permission for his "original" hospital long form birth certificate to be released."

Moron alert...moron alert...moron alert!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 31, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"Non-stop idiocy"...what a great way to position the complete gush of swill, excrement, spew and hated that have come out of the neo-nut pie-hole over the last few days. Parker cements her place as the female, Rush Limberger of our time with this rant....

No wonder CNN wants to pull the show of their air.. She makes them look more and more and ore just like another Murdoch spew-fest daily... astonishing...

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | January 31, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skipsailing28:
And America tortured nobody during the Bush admin. Nobody.

Who signed the law repealing glass-steagel?

Are we out of Iraq yet? didn't Barry boy just escalate in A stan? Gitmo closed yet? Read anything in Mother Jones or any other liberal rag wherein Obama claims to have ceased the use of the all the tools made available by the patriot act? Hmmmmm?

I could go on, but the point is simple: the author of the above knows little beyond what the liberal dogma explains. How sad.
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I actually agree that Obama should be held accountable for continuation of Bush policies. You assume I feel differently but you know what they say about assumptions...anyway, Bush doesn't get a pass so you have to start with him. Then you move on to Obama and ensuring none of the Bush legacy continues no matter who's in office.

And now I must assume that you believe water-boarding is not torture? Or did you mean that Bush himself never tortured anybody - he just gave the nod and wink and looked the other way. Which is worse than if he'd actually done the dirty work himself.

Posted by: rgray | January 31, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It was a decent column overall and I think it unfair to refer to it as idiocy. I didn't agree with many of Sally's arguments, but she did try to go at it in a balanced way. In particular, she put in that entire quote from Obama in which he did endorse one flavor of exceptionalism.

She made a specific point that exceptionalism is the new flag pin. Before you think this is idiotic, don't forget that Obama eventually got pinned. If he needs to do it, he'll work in exceptionalism references. And he'll do it exceptionally well.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 31, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The point is simple, the liberal demands haven't been met and the liberals are silent about it. Strange isn't? Is Cindy Sheehan still on the A list at liberal get togethers? Are the liberals hosting marches on DC demanding that Obama do what he promised?

Gosh, no. What that tells me is:
(1) Like it or not, Bush took the best of the choices available to him at the time. GITMO remains open because it is the only thing that works. Even Bush wanted to close it but he knew he couldn't. What did Obama and the left know? It seems to me that the answer is "nothing".
(2) The blather during the Bush years was just a tantrum. Now that Bush is gone, well so is the angst. It was unprincipled at best.
(3) The liberals should learn to live with the standards of civility they imposed on themselves during the Bush years. Ms Parker is just doing that Daily KOS & Co did in their turn.

Water boarding is not torture. It is just that simple. The left needs it to be torture, but it isn't. Yes it skirts the line, which in turn forced the liberals to define torture down to meet their needs.

The water boarding issue was just more political hot air. The left could care less now that Obama is in office. How do you KNOW that Obama hasn't had folks whisked off to torture via extraordinary rendition? How do you KNOW?

My prediction is that you'll respond by demanding that I undergo waterboarding because of my position on the technique. But let's face it, the liberals waterboarded each other at their foolish little "demonstrations" and went right back to the hacky sack game next day. Can't be torture if that's true and you know it is.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 31, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama is keeping the best available evidence secret. Let's just add suppression of evidence to the other charges of election fraud, campaign finance violations and filing fraudulent documents in all 50 states.

No matter what you might think there is no escaping that AKA Obama is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure.

The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. Too much opportunity for adulteration, no opportunity to examine the paper, the ink, any impressions made on the paper, etc. These online arguments discussing images (especially photographic images) are like people studying animals by examining scat.

Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines,

http://www.asqde.org/SRLines/SandraRLines.htm

a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:

“I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is also posted at U. S. Law Blog.

Excerpted from:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

Who Certified AKA Obama as "Natural Born"?
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/11/this-from-obama-file-one-of-best.html

Posted by: AristotleTheHun | January 31, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skipsailing28 |

My prediction is that you'll respond by demanding that I undergo waterboarding because of my position on the technique.
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Good idea. Get yourself waterboarded and then get back to us.

Posted by: rgray | January 31, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama says anything. He believes in American exceptionalism. He does not believe in American exceptionalism. He is in favor of reduced spending. He wants to spend more. He favors a one-payer health care system. He does not support a one - payer system. All he does is talk, talk, talk. He believes in only one thing - himself. I do not trust anything he says.

Posted by: JudyBird | January 31, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Historians now calling individuals who question Obama's birth place Patriots! The left wing media has labled anyone who would question Obama's birth place as Birthers, that's farthest from the truth Tim McKinney says, these are true Hero's, American Patriots and history will say this undoubtedly. Obama's only long form birth certificate with a real foot print of Obama's and his mother and fathers real signature along with the delivering doctors is a Kenyan birth certiifate. An expert is now asking how could Obama's foot print and parents certified signatures be on a Kenyan birth certificate, well because he was born there? Liberals want the public to believe Obama can afford to spend the $12.00 for a Hawaii birth certificate but has spent millions and million on keeping it a secret from the public......

Posted by: Richie5 | February 1, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Historians now calling individuals who question Obama's birth place Patriots! The left wing media has labled anyone who would question Obama's birth place as Birthers, that's farthest from the truth Tim McKinney says, these are true Hero's, American Patriots and history will say this undoubtedly. Obama's only long form birth certificate with a real foot print of Obama's and his mother and fathers real signature along with the delivering doctors is a Kenyan birth certiifate. An expert is now asking how could Obama's foot print and parents certified signatures be on a Kenyan birth certificate, well because he was born there? Liberals want the public to believe Obama can afford to spend the $12.00 for a Hawaii birth certificate but has spent millions and million on keeping it a secret from the public......

Posted by: Richie5 | February 1, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

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