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Posted at 10:44 AM ET, 01/13/2011

Obama's Tucson moment

By Adam Serwer

Obama's performance at the memorial in Tucson yesterday was so powerful that some conservatives have pivoted to attacking the crowd for not mourning the way they would have liked -- a decision that further emphasizes the president's talent for making his detractors seem petty.

Other conservatives praised the president's speech, particularly the clarity with which he seemed to rebuke right and left for the political maneuvering immediately following the shooting. The president said, "if, as has been discussed in recent days, their deaths help usher in more civility in our public discourse, let's remember that it is not because a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy, but rather because only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to our challenges as a nation, in a way that would make them proud."

There's a twinge of narcissism in this reaction -- conservatives never think Obama is quite as presidential as when he seems to be agreeing with them. William Kristol loved Obama's Nobel speech because he saw it as a moral case for the use of military force, and Rich Lowry loved last night's speech for "subtly rebuked the Left's finger-pointing."

Obama didn't really just rebuke the left, however. Every time the president speaks publicly, the nation is reminded that the caricature of him that dominates the conservative media, the racist, socialist tyrant who "sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists" is so utterly ridiculous that the ubiquity of these smears defies comprehension.

While conservatives have found a million different ways to accuse the president of not loving his country, the truth is that Obama is never more effective than when he talks about why he loves it, as he did in Tucson last night, before exhorting Americans to "do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children's expectations." As Jonathan Bernstein wrote, "What happened in Tucson on Saturday was an attack on democracy. What the President of the United States did in his speech in Tucson was democracy fighting back."

The speech could not have been a starker contrast with Sarah Palin's video message yesterday -- Palin never seemed so small accusing her critics of "blood libel" on a day meant to commemorate the victims of the Tucson shooting, and even to conservatives, the president never seemed so big, reminding Americans that "the forces that divide us are not as strong as those that unite us."

A Palin with diminished political stature is probably better news for conservatives than it might seem. Republicans are beginning to realize what yesterday's contrast would look like stretched into a months-long presidential campaign. 

By Adam Serwer  | January 13, 2011; 10:44 AM ET
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Outstanding post Greg. I love the last paragraph, even though ruk said we shouldn't kick the Palin supporters in the teeth.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 13, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

There is no denying that The Obamateur set the tone for this disgraceful orgy of (not healing) Thriving!

Recall: There are young adults (taking their cue from real leaders) who know how to act appropriately at a college campus memorial for victims of mass murder.

FLASHBACK: President Bush @ VTech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zdvpw86_qkg

In stark contrast, The Obamateur's performance at the Tucson-apolooza was disgraceful.

Own it, Greg.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Still having a little trouble with some members of the Media accusing some innocent folks for four days of being an accessory to the murder of 6 innocent people (the Tea Party did it!) and now complaining that those same people cant just aw shucks forget what they were accused of and rise above this pesky uncivil discousre!

Posted by: Bcjbs1 | January 13, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

The differences between the speeches by Obama and Palin perfectly frame the differences between the Left and the Right.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | January 13, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

In the midst of "unprecedented levels" of death threats from Leftist; http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blood-libel-sarah-palins-controversial-reference-riled-emotions/story?id=12601352

...Greg just can't resist the reflex to feed this orchestrated smear campaign against Mrs. Palin.

Have you no shame, sir?

*grotesque*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

If I were Palin I'd disappear back to her sorry life in the meth capital of the world and go back to farting in jars and ignoring her kids.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 13, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

John Cole @ Balloon Juice had a good point.


"Well, the two speeches had starkly different goals. Obama’s speech was intended to heal the nation and bring us together. Palin’s was to heal her reputation and to continue to divide the nation for her own political benefit. The speeches were completely accurate reflections of the character and aims of the respective orator."

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/01/13/different-goals/

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 13, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I agree with what you said although Palin (i'm not a fan) probably wouldnt have had to put out a video if she hadnt been blamed as an accessory along with the murderous Tea Party folks) for four days by the Washington Post and others for the murder of 6 innocent people. It would be nice to think you and I wouldnt be defensive about that!?!

There were more articles in the Post yesterday about Sarah Palin then about Jared Loughner.

I think that when her video was released yesterday morning a siren went off in the Post newsroom with papers flying everywhere and columnists scurrying to their computers.

I am starting to believe the Post doesnt think it can survive financially without Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Bcjbs1 | January 13, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Spot on, Adam. Thanks!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 13, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

AZ Shooter is Leftist-terrorist Bill Ayers’ disciple
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=249429#ixzz1AfFPHymn

“Jared Lee Loughner, the suspected gunman in Saturday’s Arizona shooting, attended a high school that is part of a network in which teachers are trained and provided resources by a liberal group founded by Weatherman terrorist Bill Ayers and funded by President Obama...”

I eagerly await the Greg’s strong denunciation of Obama’s Weatherman discipleship network.

Own him, Leftists. He’s all yours.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

A few days before this concert they had a real memorial services at a Catholic church. A Rabbi was there and they had 9 little girls who were in Christina’s choir come in and sing Amazing Grace.

That was a respectful Memorial. The families were able to greave and were embraced by those whom really matter.

The sideshow freak-fest must have been a shock to these poor people. I noticed the Husband of Gabby’s was non-plussed during the show. I saw him shake his head a few times, albeit slightly. Guess he didn’t want MSM riding his ass.

God Bless those who have injured and murdered families. They will one day be able to heal from this tragedy and move on with their lives.

I have a feeling Obama and his fools just made a whole batch of new conservatives over that embarrassment of epic proportion.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday showed not only to Americans but to Republicans that Sarah Palin will not only NEVER be President but she will absolutely NOT become the Republican nominee for President in 2012.

Put a fork in it, she is done.

Posted by: maritza1 | January 13, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

A call for civility over conservative/libertarian "extremism?"

Last night was a eulogy - of sorts. Was it around the national tragedy in the maniacal murder of a federal judge? We heard little about the judge; he was appointed by Bush. After all, a conservative could not have been the object of a right wing extremist.

A call for civility over conservative/libertarian "extremism" was made before the bodies were cold. The left profusely and viciously attacked a grandmother from Alaska for using a common metaphor, then scourged her defense for using another. Just hours ago, writers blamed right wingers for arguing against progressivism.

As if we should just shut up about usurpation presented by individual mandates; we should shut up about the mortgaging of our children's future and quietly resign Tenth Amendment rights. We should shut up about the diminution of our freedom? Never!

Rather than somber, this convention had the look, feel and sound of a pep rally - or even bravado. In the wake of progressives being exposed as hypocrites and sophists, people are reading the Constitution. And it has progressives hunkering down and cheerleading together in mass denial that their plans are falling apart.

Posted by: corneliusvansant | January 13, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I just want to say I fully support Palin's 2012 presidential aspirations. The bumper sticker declaring such will look quite nice right below my future Obama 2012 bumper sticker. No one guarantees re-election quite like Palin does.

Posted by: kevink808 | January 13, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Unlike The Obamateur, Mrs. Palin's self-defense (in the face of death threats) didn't jeopardize the prosecution.

Politico reports that Obama’s remarks about federal judge John Roll undermine federal charges against Loughner for his murder.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0111/Obama_speech_undercuts_federal_charge_for_judges_murder.html

*Obamateur*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The toadies here all agree with Greg. Obama gave a spectacular performance.

... but I missed who got "best actress"?

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Leftists want to focus on the (falsely alleged) "right-wing extremism" of Mrs. Palin, rather than the Leftist shooter's Weatherman discipleship with Obama mentor, Bill Ayers.

They should focus on condemning the example of President Obama, their Extremist-in-Chief.
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/01/did-barack-obama-cause-the-shootings-yesterday-in-tucson

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

Leaders lead by example. What's Obama's excuse?

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Obama's speech was great--the old Obama who wanted to bring us together and heal some of society's woulds. It was wonderful to see that person on display again.

What the Right has also to realize is that the killings completely stole their thunder and stepped irrevocably on their great roll-out of the GOP House. Now they have a week at best before everyone is focused on the State of the Union and what Obama says, and how the Tea Partiers in Congress react (another Joe Wilson "you lie" moment? Alito stonefaced as Obama corredctly anticipates how corporate money would influence the election?)

This is yet another reason for the Dems to focus on a positive vision for the country and not get into fingerpointing and side alleys.

Posted by: Mimikatz | January 13, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

@Adam

Good post especially...

"Every time the president speaks publicly, the nation is reminded that the caricature of him that dominates the conservative media, the racist, socialist tyrant who "sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists" is so utterly ridiculous that the ubiquity of these smears defies comprehension."

I used my 85 year old mother to make that very point yesterday. Two years ago she loved Sarah Palin and hated Obama.

Now what a difference. She still likes Sarah and wants her to have a successful TV career...my mom liked Sarah's reality show..haven't talked to her today because as I said earlier I do feel the Palinista's pain and want to give her a chance to think about it for a few days...to see if she still likes Sarah as much...as for Obama, while she still doesn't like his policies she's grown quite fond of he and Michelle personally.

And exactly to your point Adam she no longers buys any of the caricature crap and believes people who carry firearms to political rallies are wack and not good for the country and that BO and Michelle are actually nice decent human beings.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 13, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"As if we should just shut up about usurpation presented by individual mandates; we should shut up about the mortgaging of our children's future and quietly resign Tenth Amendment rights. We should shut up about the diminution of our freedom? Never!"

We should stop using violent rhetoric and imagery to make political hay.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 13, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

@suekzoo1 "We should stop using violent rhetoric and imagery to make political hay."


Amen Sister! I know it's my age but somehow the only song that keeps running through my mind is John Lennon's classic Give Peace a Chance.....what a great hook in that song lyrically and musically...

All we are saying is give civil discourse a chance.
All we are saying is that political rallies with firearms present tend to be acts of intimidation not free expression of your differing viewpoint.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 13, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"This is yet another reason for the Dems to focus on a positive vision for the country and not get into fingerpointing and side alleys."

I agree Mimi, but we do have some things that have to be contested, the AfPak war, "free" trade, the fate of ACA which can not stay the same...but I agree, the positive vision for the country was what got RR elected and we all learned that lesson. Oddly, the Republicans have not, or they forgot. The vicious way they came to power in the |hi:lower| House of Congress turned off a lot of people, I'll bet.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 13, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Good post Greg. I agree with almost all of it.

"There's a twinge of narcissism in this reaction -- conservatives never think Obama is quite as presidential as when he seems to be agreeing with them. William Kristol loved Obama's Nobel speech because he saw it as a moral case for the use of military force, and Rich Lowry loved last night's speech for "subtly rebuked the Left's finger-pointing."

The narcissism charge applies to both the left and the right. Witness the left's reaction to things like the Daley appointment and the tax cut deal as Obama selling out his convictions when a better argument is that the "Presidential" thing to do is to deal with the Congress as it is and try to get things done anyway.

Posted by: jnc4p | January 13, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"The speech could not have been a starker contrast with Sarah Palin's video message yesterday"

And this is precisely why the righties are flailing around so desperately this morning.

Not only did Palin horribly misplay her hand yesterday, she succeeded in elevating Obama. Couple this with his rising approval ratings, the lameduck session, and the improving economy and things aren't going exactly the way they all thought they would.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | January 13, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Nice speech, president! Certainly made me stop and think about the ugly political posturing. However, the speech was barely over last night and 2 Creeps from
MSNBC were already getting ugly and talking about you-know-who!
Obama's got bigger problems though, like
States going bankrupt due to public union employee pensions and skyrocketing healthcare costs.
ObamaCare only Increases healthcare costs and we need to address this problem immediately before more States like Illinois.. have to Increase Income tax 66%
and Corporate taxes 45%.
This is scary stuff! and Unlike the horrific crime, we Can do something about
healthcare costs.

Posted by: ohioan | January 13, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Rich Lowry loved last night's speech for "subtly rebuked the Left's finger-pointing."

Typical Right Wing myopia. There has been a considerable amount of finger pointing from the right, such as that pinhead Congresswoman Virginia Foxx calling the killer a "liberal."
Obama was clearly calling out both sides. It's called evenhandedness, something the Right doesn't understand.
Obama, like Bill Clinton , was made for moments like this. As much as I've been frustrated with Obama on many issues, it is at least refreshing to have a Prez that has a functioning brain, and not one whose brain has been pickled by decades of alcohol. One thing that disturbed me last night was the cheering (primarily female) from the U of A students. This wasn't American Idol, and someone should have told them to "dummy up."

Posted by: filmnoia | January 13, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

A few more points. I also was a bit disconcerted by the clapping after Bible verses and at what seemed to me to be excessive points, but then I decided that these were mostly young people for whom this kind of public memorial has fortunately not been a common thing, and they had waited hours in many cases to be there. It was just youthful exuberance and catharsis, I think. I'm ok with that.

Another interesting point is the reaction about the "Together We Thrive" T-shirts. In the '50s the watchword was "togetherness" and we had conformity. But also beginning in the '50s there was a concerted effort on the Right (mostly the extremist Right, because so many others had been through the War together) to equate community, communitarianism, collective action etc with Communism. What supposedly set us apart was our respect for the individual, even our history of "rugged individualism." Gary Cooper and the Marlboro Man. "Togetherness" came to mean only the immediate, nuclear family, or maybe that family in the Church ("The family that prays together, stays together" was another '50s slogan).

But community and coming together have somehow become suspect concepts, and that has really been a detriment to building a healthy socciety. That today's young people reject that is a very hopeful sign, because healthy individuals need healthy communities to survive; we are social beings not isolated islands.

And Jan Brewwer really did a good job. She hit the right notes. But where was John McCain?

Posted by: Mimikatz | January 13, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

ruk, thanks for the report from the ground in Florida.

One of if not the best part about The Fix was a group of people all over the country who gave detailed descriptions of political import not available in the msm. For awhile, we had a little political journalism club going in the comments section, until this Republican bomb-thrower came along and blew it up.

At that time RFR was called 37th&0street and sometimes, days and nights on end he posted these same, often identical, bizarrely formatted rants by the dozens, hundreds every week.

Serious people (especially if they do this at work) are always under time pressure and can't deal with that, so they leave. Critical mass was gone when 37th was posting and pretty soon, no one bothered to check in any more. Tell you what, Kevin saved this place from the same fate and The Fix converted to a Twitter based business model.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 13, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"But where was John McCain?"

He was up front in the audience.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 13, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse


Last night was not a Memorial Service, it was a political rally.


A duck is a duck - and this one actually quacked.


The people in the audience were cheering because they wanted Obama to get a bump in the polls from the killings.

Plain and simple.


The people were showing support for the smear campaign against the Tea Party, and support for Obama who was weathering the backlash. Plain and simple.


EVERYONE IN AMERICA could see that plainly.


Few people watching at home could believe that the White House, which scripts Obama's appearances so carefully, would allow this to go on.


I would say that Obama SEALED his defeat last night.


A Memorial Service is a Memorial Service.


The people watching at home were horrified.


Obama, or any one of his cronies, from Napolitano to Eric Holder - COULD HAVE ASKED THE CROWD TO TONE IT DOWN, AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THE DEAD.


Anyone from Obama's advance staff COULD HAVE MADE THE REQUEST for such an announcement.


Last night WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP FROM OBAMA AND HIS PEOPLE.


Any other interpretation is simply not acceptable.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 13, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

@mimikatz

"But community and coming together have somehow become suspect concepts, and that has really been a detriment to building a healthy socciety. That today's young people reject that is a very hopeful sign, because healthy individuals need healthy communities to survive; we are social beings not isolated islands."

That is such a great point!

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 13, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a "racist, socialist tyrant who "sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists" "


You know, Greg, few Conservatives actually would have believed that you "get it."

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 13, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Greg


You begin with this

"a decision that further emphasizes the president's talent for making his detractors seem petty."


THEN, at the end, you attack Sarah Palin on etyomology.

WHAT a laugh. You are joking, right???

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 13, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Still having a little trouble with some members of the Media accusing some innocent folks for four days of being an accessory to the murder of 6 innocent people (the Tea Party did it!) and now complaining that those same people cant just aw shucks forget what they were accused of and rise above this pesky uncivil discousre!
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Obama has been repeatedly criticized by posters here, and the Right as a whole, for being thin skinned, yet several posters here have defended Palin has having virtually no choice but to respond to critics. While I don't think Palin's comments played any role in the tragedy, let me counter the above by asking, why, if the connection between Palin and the murder was so self-evidently abusurd, was there need for Palin to respond? Why did she feel the need to remove the cross hairs graphics?

Posted by: ashotinthedark | January 13, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Are the narcissitic Leftists here even aware that a conservative Federal judge was murdered by the lunatic Leftist shooter?

Obama is not elevating the discussion when Leftists are openly calling for conservatives to be assassinated.

And Leftists are now openly calling for Palin's assassination.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxgJKNpjSNI&feature=player_embedded#!

Death threats: how progressive!

ABC: Death Threats Against Sarah Palin at “Unprecedented Levels”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blood-libel-sarah-palins-controversial-reference-riled-emotions/story?id=12601352

Can Leftists imagine Giffords effigy hung from a noose?
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/27/can-you-imagine-if-an-obama-effigy-were-hung-from-a-noose/

Where was the TheObamateur's condemnation of this orchestrated campaign of Leftist violent rhetoric and vitriol?

Q: Is Greg's Palin Derangement Syndrome so advanced now that he is psychological incapable of writing a post anymore without attacking Mrs. Palin?

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I agree with what you said although Palin (not a fan) probably wouldnt have had to put out a video if she hadnt been blamed as an accessory (along with the murderous Tea Party folks) for four days by the Washington Post and others for the murder of 6 innocent people. It would be nice to think you and I wouldnt be defensive about that!?!

There were more articles in the Post yesterday about Sarah Palin then about Jared Loughner.

I think that when her video was released yesterday morning a siren went off in the Post newsroom with papers flying everywhere and columnists scurrying to their computers.

I am starting to believe the Post doesnt think it can survive financially without Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Bcjbs1 | January 13, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

@shrink

If you had been with us during the HCR debate, and I sorely wish you were, you have an excellent perspective because of your profession, you would have seen something similar to what you described...a "political journalism club" and many of us would provide links to local stories of national import...I miss a poster named BGinChi who would have kept us right up to date on what for political junkies like us shapes up as an interesting Mayoral race.

We were actually troll free until you guys at the Fix imploded and sent 37th our way.
The only time we were infested...and I do mean infested with idiot trolls was when one of Greg's posts would get linked at some site like redstate or Fox and then we regulars would just leave that thread. At it's worst a thread could go from 50 comments to 300 in a heartbeat but that was rare.

Considering Kevin has fixed the problem of 37th, it was a great tradeoff...we've picked up some great posters like you and 12Bar and others who I am unaware who joined us from The Fix.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 13, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"...we are social beings not isolated islands."

Creeping |red:Socialism!| I say. See, she where said we are "social". What about rugged individualism?

Ted Nugent rocks it. Huck says Chuck Norris can save the country. Sarah fires a high powered rifle on TV and pans for her own gold. If we don't repeal the 20th century, we are headed directly for a bunch of people who depend on and take care of each other and the is |red:not| what the TP Republicans voted for in November.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 13, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

FIVE STRAIGHT DAYS

Of attacks from the Obama people


At the end of that, OBAMA'S WORDS HAVE NO MEANING.


EXACTLY WHAT THE SHOOTER SAID.


___________________


Seriously folks, the liberals here CAN NOT watch a 5-day SMEAR CAMPAIGN

and then say Obama is "united the country."

HOW FOOLISH ARE YOU?


_______________________


Obama destroyed himself with this political rally last night.


He just may have eliminated any chance of him coming back for next year.


In baseball, a team gets "eliminated" when it has so many losses on the year, that it can not win for the year. Obama is at that point.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 13, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wanted to reach out, and be bipartisan, McCain, Senator from Arizona would have spoken.


Case closed.


Obama hurt himself again.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 13, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

ERRATA: Is ADAM's Palin Derangement Syndrome so advanced now that [ADAM] is psychological incapable of writing a post anymore without attacking Mrs. Palin?

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

in response to this:
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We should stop using violent rhetoric and imagery to make political hay.
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You first

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 13, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

in response to this:
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We should stop using violent rhetoric and imagery to make political hay.
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You first

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 13, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I hope you have given a heads-up to the FBI about this Kadafi poster -- it is your obligation to report someone who is clearly on the edge of a break.

Read his posts.This is exactly the kind of constantly seething rhetoric, with references to death, lynching and shooting in every [extremely frequent] message that is the hallmark and warning sign of a deranged and dangerous man about to act -- we have seen it from every shooter in the last two years.

Please do not wait until it is too late.

Posted by: fiona5 | January 13, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

BILL AYERS


The bizzarro part of this story is the shooter was a product of a Bill Ayers-funded school - a special program which is supposed to give kids additional attention.


The Weather Underground is supposed to have moved into this line of work.

IN fact, Obama himself was on a board which DIRECTED funding to this program of Ayers - and to the SHOOTER'S SCHOOL.


So - if you believe in drug-manipulation and experimentation, this is your prime proving ground for conspiracy theory:

Ayer's school has a secret program designed to experiment with drug induced mind-manipulation.


The shooter kept on complaining that his "dreams" were manipulating him, isn't that true???


Well - this one is sure wild.

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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 13, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

We all need to remember that is is conservatives who get to set the rules for how various memorials are to be conducted. If the crowd turns on a Dem politician during such a service, like a few Limbaugh fans did on Hillary during that post-9/11 NYC service, that is ok. But if someone gets too raucous during a celebration of a life lost, and fails to show the requisite respect for conservative politicians, like happened with Wellstone, that is a sign of the incarnate evil of liberals. I take it from the spittle-flecked commentary from the right that last night fell closer to the latter than to the former.

Posted by: oldabandonedbeachhouse | January 13, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Adam has the audacity to climb up on his hind legs and howl about Palin after Obama's toadies spent the last decade goose-stepping at kristallnaght-style gutter riots (masquerading as “peace” protests).

Patriotic Americans are encourage to Enter the "Leftist-fascist Hall of Shame" and remember what "violent rhetoric" looks like.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

BTW: When is billionaire progressive George Soros financing the unhinged Leftist rent-a-mob rally against ObaMao’s summary execution of three (un-Mirandized) Somali teens at sea? Afterall, that tactic was clearly more “fascist” than our patriotic moistening of KSM, et.al. The two year anniversary of ObaMao’s high seas shooting spree has already passed. Get busy, Adam.

Rage against the machine, Leftists!

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 13, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Fiona

You should be reported to the FBI - for attempting to intimidate people into NOT exercising their Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of Speech is a Civil Rights.


I believe your comments are INTIMIDATION - and aimed at detering and discouraging people from exercising their Civil Rights - that is a clear violation of the Civil Rights Act.


Homeland Security should keep a file on Fiona as well.


Seriously folks - the INTIMIDATION TACTICS OF THE OBAMA PEOPLE HAVE TO STOP.


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Posted by: RainForestRising | January 13, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

RFR as 37 drove everyone else away from the Fix. A CC piece today that was up for hours had exactly one response. RFR not dangerous like Kaddafi though, just self-pitying, whiny and pathetic.

Posted by: fiona5 | January 13, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

this is interesting:
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Obama has been repeatedly criticized by posters here, and the Right as a whole, for being thin skinned, yet several posters here have defended Palin has having virtually no choice but to respond to critics. While I don't think Palin's comments played any role in the tragedy, let me counter the above by asking, why, if the connection between Palin and the murder was so self-evidently abusurd, was there need for Palin to respond? Why did she feel the need to remove the cross hairs graphics?

===============================

This is a typically clumsy rhetorical trap that has been attempted numerous times over the past few days.

the above attempts to lure a palin fan into defending palin. Why?

It seems to me that if ashot has a question about Sarah Palin's behavior he ought to direct that question at her.]

The subtext from the above (and from liberal comments in general) is clear: Sarah Palin didn't handle this well.

Really? With the hatred of her dripping from virtually every liberal with a keyboard and an internet connection there is simply no way that Ms Palin's behavior would ever meet with approval.

That is the difference at this point between the left and the right. Die hardened conservatives such as Rich Lowry (with whom I frequently disagree BTW) have praised the speech. That's dramatically differnt from the liberal approach which is to deny that anything any conservative does is acceptable.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 13, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

All, my proposed truce between right and left on the shooting:

http://wapo.st/f1Gt9O

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 13, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama going to bail out the banks?

Third Way proposal for the foreclosure crisis

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/01/dc-puts-its-bankster-friendly-solution-for-foreclosure-fraud-on-the-table.html

NeoLiberal schmucks.

Posted by: Papagnello | January 13, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Every time Kaddafi and Rain get people to argue back against their irrational rants, I think of this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg

Posted by: mikefromArlington | January 13, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"...there is simply no way that Ms Palin's behavior would ever meet with approval."

To be perfectly honest, I agree. Everything she says and does is either trite or awful.

"...the liberal approach which is to deny that anything any conservative does is acceptable.'

This is ridiculous. Many liberals could learn a lot from conservatives and I'm not just talking about sighting a rifle scope, or figuring out the NASCAR point system.

Here is an example, there is such a thing as an advanced culture and a backward culture and advanced cultures are better than backward cultures. The post-modern cultural relativism of America's liberal arts poffesariat is odious, it is an affectation of affluence.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 13, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

We are in at least phase 3 of the left-wing Playbook, the part where they say both sides are guilty of their mindless attack on the other side. Brilliant.

People across the spectrum have criticized the inappropriate crowd behavior. Even Obama was obviously in uncomfortable. With it. And he visibly suppressed a smile when he took the podium. You are still grasping.g for attack points.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 13, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"the above attempts to lure a palin fan into defending palin. Why?

It seems to me that if ashot has a question about Sarah Palin's behavior he ought to direct that question at her.]"

"The subtext from the above (and from liberal comments in general) is clear: Sarah Palin didn't handle this well.

Really? With the hatred of her dripping from virtually every liberal with a keyboard and an internet connection there is simply no way that Ms Palin's behavior would ever meet with approval.

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First, I have repeatedly said Palin's comments had nothing to do with it, so have many other liberal posters. We have to openly and clearly say that or any comment that discusses the murder and violent rhetoric will be accused of trying to connect the two. Even when that occurs, we still hear the tired arguments that have been rebutted better here:
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/81155/how-the-giffords-tragedy-made-me-anti-anti-anti-political-hate-speech

Palin fans don't have to be lured into anything, they have been openly defeneding her here without my comments.

Really, your next argument is that I shouldn't ask Palin supporters, I should only ask Palin herself? I'll be sure respond in kind next time you ask for a justification for something Obama has done.

I'm not sure it's really subtext that people, myself included, think Palin handled this poorly, it's just text. I would ask if you would have her do the exact same thing over again, but I'll direct that question to Palin directly as well.

Maybe if Palin made Obama's exact speech rather than her speech I would still be criticizing her. Of course, claiming that is the case is an easy claim to make since there is no way to actually know. But way to exemplify the party of personal responsibility!

Posted by: ashotinthedark | January 13, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Mournapalooza!

http://joytiz.com/2011/mournapalozza/

Posted by: drowningpuppies | January 13, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Political posturing. Seizing the opportunity.....

This is no Oklahoma City Bombing, this is no Clinton, and this was no speech worthy of praise.

Posted by: Rubiconski | January 13, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

in response to this:
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Really, your next argument is that I shouldn't ask Palin supporters, I should only ask Palin herself? I'll be sure respond in kind next time you ask for a justification for something Obama has done
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I don't believe that I ask questions such as "why would Obama do X". I don't ask these questions because I believe I know the answer. The man is a doctrinaire, dogmatic liberal. What he does is easily explained by referencing that body of thought (such as it is).

and I love the play the liberals are running here. Step one: raise a false accusation about Ms Palin. Step Two, repeat this false accusation ad infinitum. Step three, complain that Ms Palin didn't respond to the left's manufactured incident appropriately.

You sir, have enormous gall. Making a statement such as this "...people, myself included, think Palin handled this poorly, it's just text."when the reality is, Ms Palin never had anything to do with the incident. at hand.

Were you adult enough to say: "Ms Palin was wronged by people with whom I agree politically and I believe that folks on my side of the aisle owe her an apology," I'd have some respect for you.

Instead you're telling me that MS Palin didn't handed your calumny in a manner you find appropriate. Simply amazing.

Mr Sargent is calling for civility. Heck at this point I'd settle for rationality from folks such as you.

Yeah, be sure to contact Ms Palin with advice about how to handle rabid, slavering lefties and their endless calumnies. No doubt she will welcome your sage advice. Who would know more about calumny than you?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 13, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

skip-

Your first paragraph largely ends any debate. You already know so why do you bother asking questions? Actually, that's me doing what you do. I know the reason you ask the questions, it's to confirm what you already know. I often do the same thing, as exhibited above. However, my questions about Palin above were legitimate as I don't understand the actions she has made in these circumstances.


Regarding your gall comment, the situation I was referring to was her response to critcism. There are countless times in life, and particularly in politics, where an individual will find themselves in a crisis or situation not of their own making. The fact that they didn't create the situation does not mean they are immune from being criticized for how they handle the situation.

I don't have to apologize for the actions of liberals I disagree with. I've made it clear that I don't think Palin's comments had anything to do with it. I certainly don't care if you respect me. Why would I care about being respected by someone who drafts something like your last paragraph? Speaking of your last paragraph, I don't understand how you can mock me (see sage advice comment)for saying I'll contact Palin when you suggested I do just that.


In reality your point boils down to this: "Palin didn't cause the murders." On this we agree. Where we disagree is whether or not that means Palin can be criticized for her reaction to the situation.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | January 13, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

People! Grow up! Innocent people died. Stop lobbing your ordure at each other. It seems the Internet has a way of revealing such inner ugliness. All Republicans are fallible; all Democrats are fallible. We all have desires for conservation AND change. I am a younger man (23 years old), but I feel comparatively REALLY mature and cool-headed, when compared to SOME that only seem to be my senior because of age. Stop with the unsophisticated, reptilian-brained nonsense.

Posted by: hintoncube | January 13, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Haters are going to hate. Kind of funny on Malkin's blog when they are wrapping their hate in Christianity by quoting bible verses. Seems many people have never been to a wake. Celebrating the life of the victims is oh, so wrong. We must mourn at all times. Funny.

Posted by: temptxan | January 13, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Really excellent post. Affirms why I read this blog everyday. Nice work Adam. Spot on.

Posted by: beerose | January 13, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Did anybody else hear one of Sarah's reps. saying that she was planing a trip overseas, including a stop in Israel. How awkward will that be if it is still even on the itinerary.

Posted by: jmfromdc | January 13, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The day after, it's business as usual.

In Tucson, This Weekend: "The (Gun) Show Must Go On!" Huffington Post, 12 Jan 2011

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-jacobson/in-tucson-the-gun-show-mu_b_807783.html

Most Tucsonans last night were going about their business as usual, but worried about what is -- or more realistically, is not -- being done to guarantee their safety, restore starved public services (including mental health), and actually change things for the better. Most of us are concerned for the wounded, missing the dead, and trying their best to make it in a liberal island in a reactionary desert. It was nice for the President to drop by. Now what?

Posted by: bluefire1 | January 13, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

PS "Civility" should not become a synonym for docility. Not everyone in the public sphere cares equally for the quality of life for all Americans. Not everyone will exercise restraint in the application of private corporate or public police powers. We live in an intensely divided nation, divided by objective conditions as well as ideologies.

"Civility" and go-along-to-get-along can lead to reasoned debate or to friendly fascism. Critical thinking as well as herdlike punditry would make editorial columns such as the Plum Line worthier reading.

Posted by: bluefire1 | January 13, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

claerly you don't see the closed loop in this:
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Regarding your gall comment, the situation I was referring to was her response to critcism. There are countless times in life, and particularly in politics, where an individual will find themselves in a crisis or situation not of their own making. The fact that they didn't create the situation does not mean they are immune from being criticized for how they handle the situation.
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yes, but of those countless times that one might face crisis, how many of them were manufactured purely out of the spittle, spite rage and malice of others?

You are saying that any action taken by Ms Palin for any reason is fair game for your critique. I'm saying that you, and the folks who think as you do, have tremendous gall.

the closed loop is this: You fabricate some "crisis" then you criticize the target of that crisis. You continue to do this until the person's reputation is ruined.

How nice of you to sit in your lofty perch and proclaim upon the manner in which others respond to the lies spread by your co horts. It must be wonderful to be so endowed with insight that you can do the Pontius Pilate any time you chose.

yes, I'm angry at the liberals for this. I'm not only angry with them for their lying I angry at the manner in which they have sought to deny their lies.

It is unmanly of you, or any other liberal to not apologize at this point. And instead of so doing, you provide yet another heaping helping of liberal mealy mouth.

Shame on America's left. Calumny is just plain wrong. But to be so lacking in common decency that you can't even admit that what was done was just plain wrong, and instead sit like the thugs you've become watching as you destroy someone decent is just despicable.

Shame on you for your attempt to intellectualize away your role in this disgusting behavior.

Calls for civility aren't going to garner much attention just now. the childish left has shown itself clearly now.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 13, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

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