Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
Posted at 11:06 AM ET, 01/22/2011

Open Thread

By Greg Sargent

Eliminationist rhetoric will get you eliminated from the comments section by any means necessary.

By Greg Sargent  | January 22, 2011; 11:06 AM ET
Categories:  Miscellaneous  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Keith Olbermann out at MSNBC
Next: Sunday Open Thread

Comments

clawrence, to answer your question from the previous thread, I thought I would know more by the end of this week, but unfortunately I don't.

I'll do everything I can to figure out what's next for the comments section early next week and keep you all updated.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 22, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What else is happening.....


"Clarence Thomas failed to report wife's income, watchdog says"

Virginia Thomas earned over $680,000 from conservative think tank the Heritage Foundation over 5 years, a group says. But the Supreme Court justice did not include it on financial disclosure forms.

Reporting from Washington —

Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas failed to report his wife's income from a conservative think tank on financial disclosure forms for at least five years, the watchdog group Common Cause said Friday.

Between 2003 and 2007, Virginia Thomas, a longtime conservative activist, earned $686,589 from the Heritage Foundation, according to a Common Cause review of the foundation's IRS records. Thomas failed to note the income in his Supreme Court financial disclosure forms for those years, instead checking a box labeled "none" where "spousal noninvestment income" would be disclosed.

A Supreme Court spokesperson could not be reached for comment late Friday. But Virginia Thomas' employment by the Heritage Foundation was well known at the time.

Virginia Thomas also has been active in the group Liberty Central, an organization she founded to restore the "founding principles" of limited government and individual liberty.

In his 2009 disclosure, Justice Thomas also reported spousal income as "none." Common Cause contends that Liberty Central paid Virginia Thomas an unknown salary that year.

Federal judges are bound by law to disclose the source of spousal income, according to Stephen Gillers, a professor at NYU School of Law. Thomas' omission — which could be interpreted as a violation of that law — could lead to some form of penalty, Gillers said."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-thomas-disclosure-20110122,0,2413407.story

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 22, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

What "eliminalist rhetoric"

Greg. What exactly do you see as out-of-bounds??

Curious. I just read through. A bunch of people appear angry but what are you focused on ?


Isn't banning "eliminalist?". Just mentioning.......

Posted by: OrangeDogs | January 22, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

orangedogs, it was a joke.

and thanks sue, I hadn't seen that.

Posted by: sargegreg | January 22, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

orangedogs, it was a joke.
--------------------------------------------------------
Every mention of banning brings out the OrangeDogs. Rainforest hiding inside an orange dog. Bwahaha!!!

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

@sue,

Putting this together with Mrs. Thomas bizarre phone call to Anita Hill, I wonder if Justice Thomas and Mrs. Thomas actually reside together. I have this hunch that maybe the two of them are estranged...

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

12barblue

You should get a penalty for purposely bringing Cao here

What is your excuse?

Olbermann has been eliminated by Comcast. Maddow and Ed are probably next

Immeldt is now with Obama but how can the head of the liberal NBC going to Obama be viewed as "reaching out" to anyone???

It's like Reagan adding Goldwater to his administration


Strange grouping of events. The only conclusion one can draw is Obama has no idea what he is doing.


Posted by: OrangeDogs | January 22, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile in Londonistan

UK: Brother of Harry Potter star gets six months jail for attempted honor killing
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/8273984/Brother-of-Harry-Potter-star-jailed-for-attacking-her.html

"She was punched, dragged around by her hair and strangled by her brother Ashraf Azad, 28, who threatened* to kill her after he caught her talking on the phone to her Hindu boyfriend on May 21 last year, the court was told..."

[*"Marry a Muslim or you die!"]

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 22, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Most voters agree that liberals should not be allowed on government property for a generation.

Voted out, driven out, thrown out of town and told never to come back


That is not "eliminalist," it is just a practical solution to the deceptions and lies - and the liberals running up the deficits like drug dealers with credit cards.

Posted by: OrangeDogs | January 22, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing MSNBC is moving in the FOX News direction. Say what you will about the quality of news on FOX, but it sure is profitable. I guess any business organization would be amiss if they didn't follow their lead.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

In other "eliminationist" news:

New York Teens Desperate to Help Eliminate Honor Killings
http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/Local-Teens-Desperate-to-Help-Stop-Honor-Killings-114404449.html

Shahram spoke to the students about countless cases of so-called "honor killings" that happen right here in the U.S., perpetrated by Muslim men who kill their daughters, wives and other relatives for being to westernized or disobeying their husbands.

Shahram was driven to explore the topic after the 2009 beheading death of Aasiya Hassan in Orchard Park...

WaPo FLASHBACK: Charged with beheading wife, NY man to claim abuse
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/08/AR2011010802322.html

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 22, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Greg

You talk about Civil discourse.

However, when it comes to "walking the walk" you leave a great deal to be desired.


You keep on alluding to your desire to assassinate your readers.

First you wanted to "wack a troll" - killing off people with whom you do not agree.


Now you are talking in terms of "eliminating" your readers "by any means necessary."

Well.

"By whatever means necessary" supposedly, implicitly, means that if the IT guys can not accomplish the task through blocking electrons, you are prepared to physically attack your readers in order to prevent them from commenting on the various topics on this blog.

Clearly, this is your intent.


"By whatever means necessary" -


NOTICE to everyone, if you see Greg Sargent in Safeway, run, run RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

IN case anyone has been watching, Jeff Immelt's tenure at GE has not been very good.

The stock is way down.

It is true that following Jack Welsh would be difficult for anyone, Immelt has not been breaking any records. IN fact, Immelt has NOT been performing very well at all.


Is Immelt leaving GE? Or just telling Obama stuff on the side?


Obama is a hopeless case. The picture the Post has on the first page of the websits shows Obama trying to get Immelt's attention like he is some intern trying to make a good impression on a top executive. Unbelievable.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

@RFR You sick puppy you have absolutely crossed the line.

"By the way, your rant is a little unnerving. Please don't go to Safeway today."

The fact that you do not even realize how despicable and tasteless that comment is is not worthy of response or reading. Other than to post this on the next two threads so people get an idea of what kind of human being you are I shall be happy to block your pathetic sorry mind. Honestly RFR I genuinely feel pity for you not contempt.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Elsewhere in Londonistan...

UK VIDEO: Jack Straw hopes to eliminate Muslim Child-Rape Gangs Preying on Whites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us6l6af6Hs0&feature=related

*elminationist*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 22, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

@Sue Great catch..thanks!

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

New Hampshire GOP faces Tea Party takeover in 5 Easy Steps

1. Former Gov. John Sununu, a battle-tested veteran of Republican politics, announced he would not seek re-election as chairman of the state party. Sununu then endorsed Cheshire County GOP Chairwoman Juliana Bergeron.

2. New Hampshire's Tea Party and libertarian forces instead lined up behind Jack Kimball, a businessman and political newcomer who unsuccessfully sought the GOP nomination for governor last year.

3. Kimball **horrified** party veterans last week after he told NHJournal.com, a political news website, that he would apply a conservative litmus test when vetting candidates - a standard that could apply to presidential contenders and possibly force some to steer clear of the Granite State.

4. Kimball fired back at his critics with a defiant "Fact Check" headlined: "Jack Kimball is NOT a three-eyed monster!"

5. Kimball did not respond to interview requests.
-------------------------------------------------------
Shades of Christine I-am-not-a-witch O'Donnell.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Eliminationist is not a word.


Eliminalist is not a word either.


Eliminative is a word and is an adjective.


Eliminatory is a word and is an adjective.


I suppose that Eliminative or Eliminatory could be used as an adjective with rhetoric, however the two may have slightly different meanings. One would have to research the details of that etymology.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

What's up with this?

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/jim-demint-joins-conservative-boycott-of-cpac.php?ref=fpb

"Spokesman Wesley Denton wrote in an email that DeMint (R-SC) is the latest (and most high profile) conservative to back out of the conference: "With leading conservatives organizations not participating this year, Senator DeMint will not be attending. He hopes to attend a unified CPAC next year."

A number of social conservative groups, like the American Family Association and the Family Research Council, are skipping the February conference this year because the gay Republican group GOProud will be included."

Ahhhh yes the wonderfulness of inclusion.
Now tell me..how surprised will we be when Demented gets busted for reaching under a public bathroom stall? Or perhaps securing the services of "Rentboy" like another S.C. Conservative who Bill the idiot McCollom paid to serve as an "expert" LMAO witness as to why Florida should remain the ONLY state remaining that refuses to allow gays to adopt.
Maybe that idiot got his "Rentboy.com" reference from Demented...they sure walk and talk alike.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

rukidding

Read your comments today. Be serious man, you are losing it.

You need to calm down. Relax. Go outside. Get some sunshine.

You were going nuts over facts and you were still wrong. Politifact is funded by the Obama people, by the way. It is not neutral.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

ruk, gays have cooties, doncha know... :o)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 22, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

@Sue Cooties? LOL Haven't heard that in a while. Did you play the game as a child?

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

@12BarBlues

I hadn't heard that, but it doesn't surprise me in the least. Its a real shame, because as a NH voter (and pseudo-resident) and independent-Democrat, I maintained a certain amount of respect for the NHGOP. Sure, I would have preferred Hodes and Kuster won, but Ayotte and Bass are not the same as the rest of the GOP. My highly Republican family (albeit in the Rockefeller vein) spent a whole bunch of my Christmas vacation trying to convince me that all was still well- despite some evidence to the contrary with the election of right-wing dirtbag extraordinaire, Frank Guinta (my brother, who inexplicably hated Shea-Porter, finds Guinta even worse).

Anyway, my point is that historically, NH has not been host to far right wingers, but Guinta was a sign of a change in the state GOP that this Kimball character is the next step in.

Posted by: holyhandgrenaid | January 22, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Watch out for rukidding7 at the supermarket too. Do they even have Safeways (no pun intended) in Florida?

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

HORROR

Abercrombie blows first month in office.

The new Governor of Hawaii might just have set all records for disasters in the first month in office.

First, Abercrombie claims he has the evidence to prove that Obama was born here. None has been produced. One would imagine that if a Governor was going to make a statement like that, that Governor would actually have the evidence in their hands when they make the statement.

So, this week we have a series of extremely curious statements from ... Governor Abercrombie.

Abercrombie appears to have stated clearly that he has evidence of Obama's birth in an archive. Again, Abercrombie is talking about documents and not showing up with those documents in hand for release.

This might be a horrible disaster for Abercrombie.

One might imagine that Abercrombie has found evidence in an archive that Obama's grandparents tried to register Obama as an American BORN OVERSEAS.

The hospital-generated long form is NOT where it is supposed to be in the file where it is supposed to be. There are numerous interviews from people who have worked in that department documenting that fact.

Supposedly, if Obama's grandparents tried to register Obama as an American BORN OVERSEAS, that notation would be in an archive somewhere else other than those files which everyone is asking to open - searching for the hospital-generated long form.

If the hospital-generated long form DID exist, a reasonable person would have to have thought it would have been released already. A reasonable person has to come to the conclusion it does not exist.

So, what we have is a Certificate on the internet, which may or may not be a fake - AND which may have been generated by Hawaii for a BABY BORN OVERSEAS.

SEE - for all the children - THAT certificate is the SAME one that Hawaii issues for BABIES BORN OVERSEAS.

That certificate does NOT address the issue at hand.


NOW we have Governor Abercrombie, dragging up these issues again and NOW making a statement that there is notation somewhere else in Hawaii.


IS ABERCROMBIE NOW ILLEGALLY WITHHOLDING THIS NEW EVIDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC ???

If there is a notation of the grandparents registering a baby BORN OVERSEAS, that registration would NOT have the privacy protections that Obama has been claiming FOR the OTHER FILE.

IS ABERCROMBIE NOW ILLEGALLY WITHHOLDING THIS NEW EVIDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC ???

IS ABERCROMBIE NOW ILLEGALLY WITHHOLDING THIS NEW EVIDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC ???


IS ABERCROMBIE NOW ILLEGALLY WITHHOLDING THIS NEW EVIDENCE FROM THE PUBLIC ???

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

@clawrence....Are you as freaking stupid as RFR? And here I thought better of you.

This is not about civility tasteless cretins.
Call me a potential mass murderer...but REALLY are you two so maladjusted that you don't understand that joking about Safeway two weeks after six deaths and a critically wounded Congressman constitutes bad taste in the extreme.

This is not about name calling..stick and stones etc...it's about common decency...using a tragedy that's just two weeks old to insult another poster is simply indecent. But then I understand RFR is indecent from the antisocial way he posts...but you Clawrence...I expected more.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

holyhandgrenaid

NO, except the Tea Party flag comes from New Hampshire

and the license plates say "live free or you die"


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

holyhandgrenaid

Maybe that flag doesnt come from New Hampshire. Im not sure now I thought there was a New Hampshire connection.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

As Milbank notes today, the Republicans are once again going to go the the abortion issue to motivate their base for 2012 and to gen up the hatred towards this administration and, most crucially, to one again set Americans against Americans. It's a vile crowd, these days.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 7:44 AM
======================================

And well they should. Yes, abortion is vile and the administration is a vile crowd.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

re: Olbermann

I think FOX should hire Olbermann. In all seriousness. Give him the 11pm time slot to start,which is currently filled with O'Reilly reruns. Conservatives will watch in order to hate him, and it might attract a new liberal demographic. And it runs counter to the liberal narrative about FOX. If I was Ailes I would seriously consider it.

Posted by: ScottC3 | January 22, 2011 8:18 AM
======================================

FOX, being fair and balanced, has never had a problem with hiring liberals. It's MSNBC that's terribly biased. If FOX doesn't hire Olbermann, it will be because he's a simple fool, not because he's a liberal. Olbie can always go back to jock-sniffing, but I doubt ESPN wants him around.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I guess it must be really tough these days belonging to the lying job killing Republican party.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 8:37 AM
=====================================

Gee, I get the idea Republicans are simply elated after the November election results.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Leftist Targets Missouri GOP Governor: Slits Throat of College Dean
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/left_wing_climate_of_hate_and.html

*MSM crickets-chirp*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 22, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If you're elated Brigade it simply means you enjoy folks who lie and kill jobs now doesn't it. The record of job creation is clear...again in case you were unaware...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

THE HISTORY OF THE FLAG


In fall 1775, the United States Navy was established to intercept incoming British ships carrying war supplies to the British troops in the colonies. To aid in this, the Second Continental Congress authorized the mustering of five companies of Marines to accompany the Navy on their first mission.

At the Congress, Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden represented his home state of South Carolina. He was one of three members of the Marine Committee who were outfitting the first naval mission.

Before the departure of that first mission, the newly appointed commander-in-chief of the Navy, Commodore Esek Hopkins, received the yellow rattlesnake flag from Gadsden to serve as his distinctive personal standard.

The flag was designed by and is named after American general and statesman Christopher Gadsden.

It was used by the United States Marine Corps as an early motto flag.


Interesting history:


The Gadsden Purchase of Arizona was named for his grandson James Gadsden.

First Navy Jack:

In late 1775, as the first ships of the Continental Navy readied in the Delaware River, Commodore Esek Hopkins issued, in a set of fleet signals, an instruction directing his vessels to fly a "striped" jack and ensign.

The exact design of these flags is unknown. The ensign was likely to have been the Grand Union Flag, and the jack a simplified version of the ensign: a field of 13 horizontal red and white stripes.

However, the jack has traditionally been depicted as consisting of thirteen red and white stripes charged with an uncoiled rattlesnake and the motto "Dont Tread on Me."

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Leftist Targets Missouri GOP Governor: Slits Throat of College Dean
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/01/left_wing_climate_of_hate_and.html

...Casey Berzik cried out with multicultural flair, “El Futuro es La REVOLUCION!”

If yet another lunatic Leftist assassin strikes in a mainstream media vacuum, and no one hears him, has the rhetoric been eliminated?

[*WaPo crickets-chirp*]

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 22, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7, I said no pun intended.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

rukidding

Please don't start the ad hominem attacks on other people who comment on this blog.

You are not mad at them. You are mad at NBC for firing Olbermann and at me for shooting down all your flawed economic assertions about the democrats.

ON your other point:

You state:

"This is not about civility tasteless cretins.
Call me a potential mass murderer..."


Well, it sure seems like you are about to come unhinged and harm people around you.

One has to remember that the majority of political violence comes from liberals.


Whenever there is a liberal rally, or against globalization, store windows get smashed and fires break out. Riot police are everywhere. Oakland this year, there was another liberal riot about something else.


The Tea Party rallies look more like BBQs than riots. The police never send riot police in because they are looking to get hot dogs off the Tea Party, which they are happy to supply.

The Tea Party rallies are peaceful, and many times, people bring lawn chairs and listen to music.


The liberals are the ones who burn cars, break windows and run up the police overtime bills.


As for you, you need to calm down. Your comments are off-the-scale and I am wondering if you might do something today.

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats . . . believe that getting Obama re-elected is good for the country NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES. I'll leave the wisdom of that position for others to ponder, especially those who maintain it . . . the Democrats have plainly moved into re-elect-Obama mode and, whatever he proposes to cut -- Social Security included -- will be accepted by Democrats, both on the Hill and in the blogosphere."

Posted by: wbgonne | January 22, 2011 9:59 AM
==========================================

Wbgonne has suddenly lurched into the real world. It's all about maintaining power, and the troops will all fall dutifully in line---no matter what. The left will fashion the usual psuedo-intellectual liberal screeds that always amount to the same thing when boiled down: we're still better off with a Democrat than a Republican because . . . uh, well . . .Republicans are racists, fascists . . . they hate poor people, especially the elderly . . . they're only against abortion because they'd rather watch children starve than kill them quickly . . . did I mention that, unlike Democrats, they lie?

Rukidding7 is already excusing Obama's miserable failure by resorting to charts and graphs which "demonstrate" what a savior Jimmy Carter was to the country.
Let's hope you maintain whatever little diginity you still possess, wbgonne.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7 writes

"..it's about common decency...using a tragedy that's just two weeks old to insult another poster is simply indecent."


_____________________

Well, yea. That is exact what Obama is guilty of. Obama sat there silently for 5 days as his people used the mass murder to attempt to gain political points.

The Obama people used the tragedy to insult Sarah Palin.

Then the Obama people followed it all up with two days of telling the nation that the SMEAR campaign resulted in Obama's poll numbers going up.

Seriously, man, you need to look at yourself.

Obama is the one you hate, not me.

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

This is war. If the #KOCH #COC #GOP #AmericanTaliban think they've scored another #Pravda for their kkkoolaide IV drip ~ they have another thought coming.

Posted by: mommadona | January 22, 2011 9:54
======================================

You sound like another one of those Koch suckers Liam warned us about.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Soon enough we'll have a clearer sense of why this happened, and we can deal with it then."

Too bad you journ-O-lists didn't take this approach after the Giffords shooting.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 10:08 AM
=========================================

Post of the day.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

@Brigade Yeah I get how frustrating graphs charts and FACTS must be for a conservative. You guys love to operate in a fact free world because you cannot point to one achievement of conservatism.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

You Cons really kill me. You think Olbermann didn't have this planned for a while? He has more intelligence in his left testicle than Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck and Palin combined . . .

Posted by: rakemaker | January 22, 2011 10:09 AM
========================================

Of that group, Olbermann is the only one whose left testicle has slapped you in the chin---so how would you know?

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Brigade

It is about time that the nation start to recognize the reality that Obama's failures and incompetence might cause the liberals to completely lose their minds.


The Arizona shooter might only be the first liberal to be driven mad by Obama' not living up to his words.

"What's government when words have no meaning"

Just today, rukidding7 is appearing unhinged. And he has started to attack other posters on this blog.

wbgonne is losing it to. There is madness spreading among the liberals.

The reality is that the anger on the left is bubbling over and who know what they might do. They might lash out in violent episodes, we don't know.

However, the mental imbalance is clear in their comments.

Let's just hope they seek assistance and medication to contain their madness.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm one of KO's biggest fans who never missed a show since 2003.

We need the return of the Fairness Doctrine.

Posted by: sunnystarr | January 22, 2011 10:31 AM
========================================

Shortened it a bit for you. Those brief statements tell us all we need to know about your intellect.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

RFR: Truthiness

Posted by: LeftCoast5 | January 22, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

As the Right Wing posts prove, the Right has nothing to offer the world but bile, and vile hate spawned of the Devil himself.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | January 22, 2011 10:31 AM
=========================================

Is that your way of saying you're a Christian? What's your position on abortion? Let me guess. You'd never have one yourself (thomas), but you also wouldn't want to restrict anyone else's constitutional right to have one. About right?

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Brigade: Truthiness

Posted by: LeftCoast5 | January 22, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7

Communism was a bunch of leftists.

The Cold War was fought between the US, on the Conservative side, against the leftists, the Communists.

It was won by a Conservative, Ronald Reagan.

Conservatives have a long history of victories.


_________________


The gap between Obama's rhetoric and Obama's job performance is driving the liberals into a complete state of madness.

The shooter in Arizona might just be the first liberal to get violent.


"What's government when words have no meaning."


The liberals have a long history of political violence to get what they want.

Usually, liberals turn to authoritarian methods to impose their agenda - and then to stay in power. A long history.

The nation is now in danger of more liberal violence.


Take cover. Have a plan to protect yourself. Keep an eye out for liberal violence.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Re Keith-O:

Here's an idea. Just fill his time slot with reruns of all his shows for the last few years but sell new advertising. The morons who watch the show will never know the difference.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7


You started off this morning talking about the jobs reports from the 1970s, trying to say that today's economy and today's partisanship had something to do with what Jimmy Carter did.


And all of a sudden, Jimmy Carter's jobs reports proved that all Republicans supported bad economic polices, for all time.


AND then you dispute that I said you appeared unhinged that if you did not calm down, it could lead to you committing a horrible mass crime.

Yea, that's right.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Keith Olbermann will be greatly missed by people needing a balance of information from the mis-named "liberal media" that long ago acquiesced to using Drudge's and Fox's talking points as the starting point every day. He did go over the top a time or two, but only in response to some flagrant untruth or horrible deed spewed upon the public by right-wing ideologues. Truth. Facts. They DO matter. Keith presented them daily.

--dare I hope for it? They bring back Phil Donahue!!!

Posted by: bgarciabaca | January 22, 2011 1:54 PM

=========================================

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Brigade

I love when liberals try to compliment each other.

First they come off as flaky.

Then, they start to narrate in a way that gives one the impression that they are completely detached from reality.

Then they usually attempt a conclusion that they want their readers to share, but instead they come off as lacking any common sense.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Elsewhere in Londonistan...

UK VIDEO: Jack Straw hopes to eliminate Muslim Child-Rape Gangs Preying on Whites
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us6l6af6Hs0&feature=related

*elminationist*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | January 22, 2011 12:42 PM
========================================

Liberals here aren't interested with any atrocities going on in the world today. They're more concerned with some slave who was raped by a Southerner 200 years ago, whether or not the Southerner was a Republican, and what sort of reparations are in order for the 14,000 mixed-blood descendants of the slave. Muslim Child-Rape gangs? Today? Your mentioning it will certainly establish you as a bigot in Liberal World.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"If you're elated Brigade it simply means you enjoy folks who lie and kill jobs now doesn't it. The record of job creation is clear...again in case you were unaware...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms"

Holy crap, I didn't realize how successful the Carter administration was at job creation.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The potential for left-wing violence in this country is increasing every day.

The failures of Obama are to blame.

The root of this simmering anger is Obama's purposeful abandonment of his campaign themes from 2008. There are liberals who actually believed Obama, and now the failure of Obama's job performance is beginning to cause liberals to feel unhinged.

The liberals are hurt and angry.

Many liberals may not feel be able to contain their emotions and if they can not, liberal violence can be next. The liberals have to come to terms with the fact that Obama is not who they thought. Obama has betrayed them.

The liberals also have to come to terms with the failure of liberalism.

Obama has put the country in a dangerous place - over promising things that he refused to deliver.

The fault for these failed expectations lies squarely at Obama's feet. However, we see Obama's people seeking to direct anger towards the Tea Party and Sarah Palin. Not only has Obama caused this simmering anger, Obama is attempting to direct liberals to direct their emotions in the direction of the Conservatives.

Liberal violence is a real threat to America.


Act to protect yourself before it is too late.

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

ESPN let KO go b/c he was unstable and unpredictable as an employee. I have never seen him since, I do not know his medical history, and I am not suggesting that MSNBC let him go b/c he was unstable and unpredictable as an employee.

Just adding a bit of background that I knew from several years ago

FWIW.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | January 22, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

@ru - re DeMint and gays and CPAC...

It's a potential flare-point for this coalition. With any luck, it will explode into something significant. It should, if "libertarians" in the movement have integrity.

@DDAWD - re MSNBC...

I don't think that's right. The network has thrived with the present format and nobody is more responsible for that than Olbermann. They'll lose significant audience and profits if they head right in any significant way. In fact, that's what CNN has attempted and they've dwindled as a consequence.

We'll have to wait to get clarifying information on why Olbermann was told to leave but the timing (Comcast merger) is too coincidental to ignore (and there was a lot of talk earlier that something like this would happen because of that merger).

There's a dance here, I think. While the network makes money for the corporate bosses through taking a pro-left stance they will surely act to limit anti-corporate sentiment at the same time.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

ESPN let KO go b/c he was unstable and unpredictable as an employee. I have never seen him since, I do not know his medical history, and I am not suggesting that MSNBC let him go b/c he was unstable and unpredictable as an employee.

Just adding a bit of background that I knew from several years ago

FWIW.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | January 22, 2011 2:36 PM
====================================

I've seen him since, and I can assure you that he's still VERY unstable and unpredictable. Like you, I don't know his medical history, but I'll wager he's on some pretty powerful drugs, prescription or otherwise. And I've always wondered what members of his regular audience were drinking and smoking.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

There's a dance here, I think. While the network makes money for the corporate bosses through taking a pro-left stance they will surely act to limit anti-corporate sentiment at the same time.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 2:41 PM
======================================

Oooooooh. A conspiracy theory. Bring back the fairness doctrine! Oh, Bernie, where was Obama born? Who REALLY was behind 9/11?

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

From Steve Benen

"In the meantime, Pope Benedict XVI continues to offer unequivocal support for universal health care. The GOP therefore probably considers him a wacky European socialist, better left ignored."

link here:

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2011/01/19/catholic-bishops-dont-support-repeal/

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you - Olbermann is not the only unstable liberal out there.

Obama has destroyed liberalism. period.

Any hope that the liberals had of holding onto power in this country has been destroyed by Obama - and any hope of regaining power has been destroyed for at least a generation.

Again, Obama is to blame.

Liberals do not think clearly to begin with. Their entire philosophy is based on completely ignoring the fact that someone, somehow has to pay for the government programs and benefits they want.

The diversion of those money causes a drag on economic growth and jobs - in every case.

Liberals have trouble grasping these simple concept. They easily become angry and violent.

The calls on this blog to silence people who do not agree with them - that is an early sign that a liberal may go violent. Wanting to eliminate a point of view is very similiar to violence - the desire to attack and eliminate another person.


It is clear that the Arizona shooting may be the first in a long line of liberal violence.

We have already witnessed how the liberals quickly sought to drum up and encourage more violence against the Tea Party right after that shooting. It is frightening how quickly the liberals acted to attack the Tea Party on that fateful Saturday afternoon. It was almost like the coordinated the whole thing.

Be prepared - be prepared to protect your family.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

From Steve Benen

"In the meantime, Pope Benedict XVI continues to offer unequivocal support for universal health care. The GOP therefore probably considers him a wacky European socialist, better left ignored."

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 2:50 PM
=====================================

His support should certainly settle the matter. Oh, wait ... what's his position on abortion?

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"@ru - re DeMint and gays and CPAC...

It's a potential flare-point for this coalition. With any luck, it will explode into something significant. It should, if "libertarians" in the movement have integrity. "

Isn't this why they got rid of Michael Steele? To try and get someone who can win elections without being inclusive?

I doubt the gay movement will make much progress in the GOP. The so-called Libertarians aren't all that libertarian. The Tea Party itself was pretty on-board with brutalizing homosexuals.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm still trying to figure out whether this is Greg's blog or RFR's. Because every time I'm here, it feels like literally 70 percent of the posts at the least are him and Brigade spamming the same C&Ped stuff over again, or simply outright trolling.

Posted by: kryptik1 | January 22, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I guess, like Ralph Reed, Barr figured he needed to start humping in the accounts. But Baby Doc? Jeeeezus.

‘Libertarian’ Bob Barr To Be Former Haitian Dictator Duvalier’s ‘International Voice’

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/22/libertarian-barr-duvalier/

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

You're probably right on Olbermann too. I don't know how successful MSNBC was during his tenure, but he did make the network a lot more high-profile.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Pre-Olbmermann MSNBC was a distant 3rd following Fox and CNN. K.O. basically moved the network from 3rd to 2nd..well past CNN.
He gave the network Rachel Maddow...but most importantly he showed the network there was room for a progressive answer to Fox. Now Fox has the bluehairs and the other oldies (Is that you Brigade?) while MSNBC fares much better with younger demos. The oldies are living on their Gov't pensions...SS...sucking up Gov't healthcare..Medicare..they are retired with nothing to do so they decide to bite the hand that feeds them. Priceless!!!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Here's Yglesias on Olbermann...

"Like everyone, I’m a bit puzzled/shocked/distressed by this Keith Olbermann news. It’s not every day a TV network sacks its highest rated host. It had seemed to be the case that Olbermann’s success was leading MSNBC to walk further and further down the road of recognizing that there’s a market niche for progressive cable television programming. Are they now walking away from that?"

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

My husband and I were watching Olbermann last night when he gave his final comments. We were shocked.

We had commented recently that KO seemed burned out, actually since the leave for his father's illness. At first we put it down to grief and an exhaustive period but the characteristic spark in Olbermann's eyes never seemed to quite return.

I think Keith was ready to do something else. We look forward to seeing what it will be.

Posted by: Beeliever | January 22, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I had stopped watching Olbermann way back when his special commentaries became regular features. I just kind of felt like a "special commentary" should be just that - special - rare - something you save for things that you are really, really indignant about. If you're doing them all the time, you turn into Rush. Fake frothing indignation is not the best way to engage my attention; I don't find it entertaining and in most cases it offers less, rather than more, in the way of concrete information and building a solid case for your opinion. Plus it got so stage-y.

Still though, I appreciate that Olbermann and his guests would cover in-depth the other sides of stories that are never even presented on FOX and are dismissed by the other networks with the "he said/she said" approach or neglected because they are contra "conventional wisdom."

According to the usual suspects here, the ones who a week ago were shrieking about "blood libel" for the widespread opinion that violent rhetoric from political leaders and media figures is irresponsible and not in any way helpful, presenting these other sides of the story is what should be suppressed; therefore it's a "win" that Olbermann will no longer be on MSNBC. You know you've got a live one when they start shrieking about Rachel Maddow, who is by far one of the most civil, polite, and even-mannered media personalities. When someone starts whining about her, you can pretty much conclude that it's her IDEAS they don't want aired, because her demeanor is more respectful and upbeat than anyone I can think of on FOX or just about anywhere else.

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 22, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Olbermann’s MSNBC Exit Was Weeks in the Making"

On Thursday, NBC’s news division staged an elaborate presentation for advertisers, seeking to sell commercial time in NBC’s news programs over the next year. All the members of MSNBC’s prime-time lineup spoke at the lunch with one exception: Keith Olbermann, the network’s biggest star.

For the last several weeks, Mr. Olbermann and the network have been in negotiations to end his successful run on MSNBC, according to executives involved in the talks who requested anonymity because the talks were confidential. The deal was completed on Friday, and Mr. Olbermann made the announcement on his final “Countdown” hours later.

Friday’s separation agreement between MSNBC and Mr. Olbermann includes restrictions on when he can next lead a television show and when he can give interviews about the decision to end his association with the news channel.

....

Months before Comcast was expected to gain control of NBC Universal, Comcast officials were worried about the perception that they might interfere with MSNBC for political reasons.

One executive, who asked not to be identified because Comcast had instructed employees not speak about the situation, said the company dreaded the prospect of being blamed if Mr. Olbermann were to quit soon after the takeover."

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/22/olbermanns-msnbc-exit-was-weeks-in-the-making/

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 22, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who saw Rachel last night on Maher recognized that she is highly admired. I hope that Rachel will run for office some day, she certainly has the education and intelligence to be a formidable candidate.

Posted by: Beeliever | January 22, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Brit Hume's demeanor is much more respectful.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Olberman's been at MSNBC for about 8 years, so I'm skeptical of any stablity issues. MSNBC built its night time line-up around KO and vaulted CNN to 2nd place. Incidentally, he was at Fox for two years before jumping to MSNBC. Kibble for thought.

Zinfandel tasting tonight. Then South Beach cold turkey (but not bread). Food looks good, but I'm going to miss wine.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 22, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@Jenn I echo your thoughts about Rachel.

@clawrence Brit Hume is a hack who has prostituted himself for the big $$$$$$
No serious journalist has any respect for that pompous blowhard.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Olbermann was also noticeably absent after Obama's speech in Tuscon. I wondered at the time why he wasn't there to give his perspective. Rachel did it alone, except for a few comments from Matthews. That was the first time I could remember Olbermann being absent on MSNBC after an important event.

Posted by: Beeliever | January 22, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

@Jenn -
" You know you've got a live one when they start shrieking about Rachel Maddow, who is by far one of the most civil, polite, and even-mannered media personalities."

Yes, she is. And she and her team do the best in-depth research pieces anywhere in cable news. She has set up a really fine operation there and my hope is that the model she is establishing will inspire other TV news operations to reach a hell of a lot higher than they presently are.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

@Sue...Thanks for the link and the excellent post at 3:27PM. That's helps bring a little more clarity to the situation.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Olbermann was also noticeably absent after Obama's speech in Tuscon. I wondered at the time why he wasn't there to give his perspective. Rachel did it alone, except for a few comments from Matthews. That was the first time I could remember Olbermann being absent on MSNBC after an important event.

Posted by: Beeliever | January 22, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

BTW To perhaps beat a dead horse here...

How does Chris Matthews keep his job? He is simply so awful I can no longer watch...because every time I watch the same thing happens...I end up screaming at the screen S-T-F-U Matthews let the person speak. I remember a couple of years ago when I was still watching when he had on Margaret Tutwiler...it was brutal..he screamed questions at her..then answered for her..I doubt she got in more than a half dozen words. It was soooo bad that I actually went to the MSNBC website and registered my disgust. Matthews has to be the worst interviewer in all of media...and while I'm a progressive he routinely crosses the line calling people wacks and other unflattering names. It's like watching the Brigade hour on cable.:-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The Ed Schultz show is the weakest hour on MSNBC's lineup. I agree with a lot of his opinions, but he is definitely not meant for television.

Posted by: Beeliever | January 22, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

@sue - thanks for that link. But the oddness in it is the restriction on Olbermann discussing reasons for termination. Why not unless it will reflect badly on MSNBC and/or Comcast? I put zero credence in Comcast's claims. They may reflect the truth of things but there's no reason to assume it simply on the basis of their insistence.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@Beeliever - If you turn off the picture and just listen to Shultz, he becomes undeniably clear that he's modeled his speech style on Limbaugh.

I'm hoping MSNBC is smart enough (or not corrupt enough) to pick up Chris Hayes.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

bernie : "the oddness in it is the restriction on Olbermann discussing reasons for termination."

Frankly, that's the only thing about this whole situation that I find not odd, but rather typical. Kind of similar to lawsuit settlements where the parties agree to keep the arrangements confidential. With Olbermann and NBC, it's a mutual agreement not to publicly bash each other.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 22, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

kryptik1 | January 22, 2011 3:01 PM


The truth is that 70% of the comments are from liberals.

If the conservatives did not stick up for themselves, the number would be closer to 85%.

Just wait until the Obama campaign gears up, and the Obama paid trolls start to work in shifts. You can see 7-8 of the Obama people per shift responding to every posting with harassment.


Yea.


Maybe the Washington Post should give me a blog.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Bernie,

The new line up at MSNBC is:

6:00 - Cenk Uygar (Young Turks) is getting the 6:00 pm slot,
7:00 - Chris Matthews
8:00 - Lawrence O'Donnell
9:00 - Rachel
10:00 - Ed (ugh)

No spot for Chris Hayes.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | January 22, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Here's a map that isn't marked by gun-sights. It locates (with a following set of details) all the right wing originated attacks on government or liberal targets just since July 2008. And there's a lot...

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/violence-directed-liberal-and-govern

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

@sue - Yeah, I know. I'm hoping he's the next hire.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

When the liberals try to compliment each other, they seem to try to sound reasonable, but they fail.

They also take on a self-serving, disingenuous tone.

Who can believe any of it?

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Olbermann is CLEARLY a victim of the hypocrisy of the liberals' own rhetoric.

First, the democrats scream that the political discourse caused a mass murder.


Then the democrats demand Civil Discouse.

Comcast, being reasonable, fires Olbermann.


The liberals start to whine, mumbling something like that wasn't what they meant.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Rachel Maddow is worse that Olbermann, plus she is completely tone-deaf politically.

The purpose of government is to represent the American People.

The purpose is NOT to impose a liberal agenda on people, and uses all sorts of tricks to get what the liberal want implemented.

It is horrible what the liberals have done to this nation.

"Bait and Switch" tactics should be shunned as anti-democratic and unAmerican.

Seriously folks, the liberals really need to examine what has gone on here.

What is scary is that few liberals have spoken out against Obama, or against the "bait and switch" tactics,

OR the SMEAR campaign two weeks ago.

OR the False Charges of Racism

The democrats do not realize that everytime they fail to speak out against Obama and these unAmerican tactics, the liberal lose credibility and the American People become firmer in their resolve to drive the liberals right out of government.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Keith was ready to do something else. We look forward to seeing what it will be.

Posted by: Beeliever | January 22, 2011 3:16 PM
========================================

Hopefully it won't involve a rooftop and a rifle.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse


Olbermann is not the only unstable liberal out there.

Obama has destroyed liberalism. period.

Any hope that the liberals had of holding onto power in this country has been destroyed by Obama - and any hope of regaining power has been destroyed for at least a generation. Again, Obama is to blame.

Liberals do not think clearly to begin with. Their entire philosophy is based on completely ignoring the fact that someone, somehow has to pay for the government programs and benefits they want. The diversion of those money causes a drag on economic growth and jobs - in every case.

When people spend so much mental energy on ignoring reality (like ignoring that someone has to PAY for the massive government benefits) then those people are in danger of becoming violent.


The very ideas of the liberals PROVE that they are Out-of-touch with reality to begin with.


Liberals have trouble grasping these simple concepts. They easily become angry and violent.

The calls on this blog to silence people who do not agree with them - that is an early sign that a liberal may go violent. Wanting to eliminate a point of view is very similiar to violence - the desire to attack and eliminate another person.


It is clear that the Arizona shooting may be the first in a long line of liberal violence.

We have already witnessed how the liberals quickly sought to drum up and encourage more violence against the Tea Party right after that shooting. It is frightening how quickly the liberals acted to attack the Tea Party on that fateful Saturday afternoon. It was almost like the coordinated the whole thing.

Be prepared - be prepared to protect your family.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

kryptkicker1:
"I'm still trying to figure out whether this is Greg's blog or RFR's."

You're also still trying to figure out whether you're on foot or horseback.

"Because every time I'm here, it feels like literally 70 percent of the posts at the least are him and Brigade spamming the same C&Ped stuff over again"

What's C&Ped stuff? Anything like what's found at the addresses under your Favorite's tab?

"I'm simply outright trolling."

We know that.


Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Beeliever:
"Anyone who saw Rachel last night on Maher recognized that she is highly admired."

Hahahahahahahaha.

"I hope that Rachel will run for office some day, she certainly has the education and intelligence to be a formidable candidate."

Hahahahahahahaha.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Olberman's been at MSNBC for about 8 years, so I'm skeptical of any stablity issues. MSNBC built its night time line-up around KO and vaulted CNN to 2nd place.

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | January 22, 2011 3:50 PM
========================================

And I'm sure CNN is grateful.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

It's like watching the Brigade hour on cable.:-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 4:03 PM
========================================

I can see how you might mistake his political views for mine.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Abercrombie FOUND SOMETHING, said he found something, said he was going to give us a copy and now........


A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz


____________________


WOW if there is something in the public registry, those records should be public, not private.


AND why doesn't Abercrombie, who is supposed to be such a good friend of Obama, just CALL OBAMA AND ASK HIM TO SIGN A RELEASE???


WHY IS THIS SO FISHY ???

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

@Beeliever - If you turn off the picture and just listen to Shultz, he becomes undeniably clear that he's modeled his speech style on Limbaugh.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 4:28 PM
==========================================

Now try that with Maddow, only turn the sound off, too. You won't be missing a thing.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"Rachel" doesn't yell. But she easily makes up for it in scornful condescension and smug dishonesty.

Believe me, that's how everyone outside the 20% true believer clique sees her. The people who think she'd be a great candidate are amusing. Maybe she would . . . in the 5 or 10 most leftwing districts in the country.

Btw, I noticed Ethan dropped out of sight a week and a half ago, right after he was blustering about an astroturf letter-writing campaign demanding that the GOP take responsibility for Tucson.

Guess that's another one that blew up in his face.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7:
"@Jenn I echo your thoughts about Rachel."

He echoes all your other thoughts as well.

"@clawrence Brit Hume is a hack who has prostituted himself for the big $$$$$$
No serious journalist has any respect for that pompous blowhard."

Which tell us only that you don't really know any serious journalists.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 3:50 PM

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Britt Hume a blowhard not to be taken seriously as a journalist, as opposed to Rachel and Bill Moyers.

Okay . . . right . . . only in the SweatLodge.*


* Copyright Bilgeman 2009.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"'Rachel' doesn't yell. But she easily makes up for it in scornful condescension and smug dishonesty."
===================

Rachel or Bernie?

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"Rachel or Bernie?"

Same person?

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Liberals have trouble grasping these simple concepts. They easily become angry and violent.

The calls on this blog to silence people who do not agree with them - that is an early sign that a liberal may go violent. Wanting to eliminate a point of view is very similiar to violence - the desire to attack and eliminate another person.


It is clear that the Arizona shooting may be the first in a long line of liberal violence.

We have already witnessed how the liberals quickly sought to drum up and encourage more violence against the Tea Party right after that shooting. It is frightening how quickly the liberals acted to attack the Tea Party on that fateful Saturday afternoon. It was almost like the coordinated the whole thing.


_________________________


Ever wonder WHY the liberals want YOU to give up your guns???


They don't want you to protect yourselves when the liberals get violent.


Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

QB

You are right - Ethan did disappear as soon as he got accused of participating in the SMEAR CAMPAIGN against the Tea Party.

I wonder if his bosses found out what he was doing on this blog.

I think he was a paid troll - either paid by an Obama organization or by a left interest group.

It is possible they are simply transferring him to work in the Chicago office and he might pop up again - simply claiming he was on vacation.


However, Ethan did disappear right around the time that the blow-back happened about the smear campaign

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"scornful condescension and smug dishonesty."

_______


THAT just about explains the entire liberal agenda - and the approach the democrats have taken toward the American People.

The liberals are trying to IMPOSE their will on the American People.


I don't remember the democrats being like this prior to the 90s - I don't know what happened to them. Somewhere along the line, between the Florida recount and the Iraq War, democrats became vicious, vile, hateful, name-calling, lying, cheating authoritarian, politically correct monsters.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

""Rachel" doesn't yell. But she easily makes up for it in scornful condescension and smug dishonesty."

Not really, but you people equate intelligence with condescension.

But yeah, I'll agree that Maddow isn't targeting people who want oversimplified talking points and puppets.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Practically EVERY rally that has gotten violent is a liberal rally.

Most of these have been union-led and union-financed marches against international summits and globalization.


The calls on this blog to silence people who do not agree with them - that is an early sign that a liberal may go violent. Wanting to eliminate a point of view is very similiar to violence - the desire to attack and eliminate another person.


It is clear that the Arizona shooting may be the first in a long line of liberal violence.

We have already witnessed how the liberals quickly sought to drum up and encourage more violence against the Tea Party right after that shooting. It is frightening how quickly the liberals acted to attack the Tea Party on that fateful Saturday afternoon. It was almost like the coordinated the whole thing.


_________________________


Ever wonder WHY the liberals want YOU to give up your guns???


They don't want you to protect yourselves when the liberals get violent.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"Which tell us only that you don't really know any serious journalists."

Actually I was a serious journalist Brigade.
What background gives you such life experience that you feel free to pontificate as if you might actually have a clue?

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I mentioned this earlier re the talk of states and bankruptcy. Here's a little more from Felix Salmon. Are there actually people like Gingrich who do this intentionally just to make matters worse? I try not to believe that but it's difficult to understand this in any other context.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Talk of introducing legislation allowing states to declare bankruptcy began in earnest in November. A speech by Newt Gingrich was followed up by a big Weekly Standard piece on the subject by David Skeel, and soon the meme filtered into the blogosphere. Unlike most political chatter, this kind of talk isn’t cheap at all: it’s very expensive. As the subject has refused to go away—which means, as House Republicans have continued to work on drafting some kind of bill—the municipal debt market has plunged.

Now, with a massive front-page story in the NYT, the stakes have got even higher. Mary Williams Walsh is well aware of what she’s doing: she talks explicitly about “the fear of destabilizing the municipal bond market with the words ’state bankruptcy’”; while at the same time splashing those very words across the most influential public real estate in the world. She frets that the mere introduction of a state bankruptcy bill could lead to some kind of market penalty, even if it never passed—but the fact is that her own article, in and of itself, is almost certain to drive up borrowing costs and uncertainty.

The fact is that states are not going to declare bankruptcy, and they’re not even going to be allowed to declare bankruptcy. So the worst thing that can happen, for the municipal bond market, is that people continue to talk about municipal bankruptcy for the next couple of years. Let’s take the option off the table, once and for all, rather than taking it seriously and thereby only making it harder for states to borrow the money they need."

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/01/21/the-metastasizing-state-bankruptcy-meme/

Posted by: lmsinca | January 22, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"But she easily makes up for it in scornful condescension and smug dishonesty."

For all values of X where "scornful condescension and smug dishonesty" = making liars and jackasses look like liars and jackasses by rebutting their nonsense with truth and facts, typically by playing clips of the liars and/or jackasses lying or being jackasses, in a lighthearted manner without using any personal insults, yelling, or making dark suggestions about how certain folks should be eliminated.

Clearly now that Olbermann is off the air, she's History's (New) Greatest Monster.

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 22, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

rukidding writes

"Actually I was a serious journalist Brigade."


_________________


AND what happened ?

.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Brit Hume is a serious journalist (certainly not a former sportscaster). Prior to joining Fox News as Senior Political Analyst
(2008–present) and anchoring "Special Report" (1998–2008), Mr. Hume was ABC News Chief White House Correspondent (1989–1996) and an ABC News correspondent (1976–1988). He won an Emmy for his Gulf War coverage (1991).

Feel free to post Rachel's credentials for comparison.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that link, Ims. I'll just remind all of the post from Mike Tomasky a few months ago that quoted Gingrich's ex-wife and then a clinical description of psychopathy. There was a fit.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD said...
" you people equate intelligence with condescension."

That's an astute observation.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

@Clawrence....Exactly...his credentials are what show how clearly he has turned into a Faux news wh*re.

@Brigade "rukidding7:
"@Jenn I echo your thoughts about Rachel."

He echoes all your other thoughts as well.

Absolutely!!! Jenn is one of the brightest posters we have. She writes cogent, well edited, on point posts. She is actually a small business person like myself so I respect her struggle in the marketplace. In other words she ACTUALLY knows what's it like to be a small business person unlike the vast majority of posters here some of whom simply regurgitate right wing talking points without a clue about REALITY!

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"That's an astute observation. "

It's one of their favorite lines. When they can't rebut an argument, they just say that the arguer is such a high-falutin meanie

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see now. Edward R. Murrow could have joined "Faux News" and that would have made him a wh*re too. Meanwhile, the rest of us know what serious journalism is about (and that is not Rachel, regardless of a standing ovation on Maher's show).

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

@Ddawd "" you people equate intelligence with condescension."

I'm with Bernie on this one. Congrats on the pithiest observation of the day. Well done Ddawd! These people are intimidated by intelligence and OMG bring up facts and they'll say you're on a rant..FACTS really disturb our righties because they NEVER EVER post a single FACT showing what conservatives have done for our nation...NOT ONE. They simply sit back and take shots at us because they have no original thoughts of their own. Sad actually.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Actually I was a serious journalist Brigade.
What background gives you such life experience that you feel free to pontificate as if you might actually have a clue?"

He's the most smartest person ever!

But look at his comments. Every person is the dumbest person ever or the most crooked person ever and soforth. Say what you will about the person, but he loves his superlatives.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

claw - we weren't talking credentials; we were talking demeanor. But no matter; Maddow has a long career in journalism as well, obviously not the same resume as Brit Hume but then again, I don't recall anyone (other than you) trying to make the conversation into one about the merits of Rachel Maddow vs. Brit Hume. I know there have been some instances of Hume douchitude on Fox but none of them approaching O'Reilly, Hannity, or Beck territory, so I'll grant that he's among the more civil and well-mannered people who appear on Fox. Unfortunately, that's not setting the bar very high.

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 22, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

qb:

"""Rachel" doesn't yell. But she easily makes up for it in scornful condescension and smug dishonesty.""

I remember the first time I watched her show wondering whether I was actually watching an SNL parody. Seriously. She strikes me as a caricature of a smug, self-satisfied lefty pundit.

Posted by: ScottC3 | January 22, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

It is a "FACT" that Mr. Hume won an Emmy in 1991 for his coverage of the Gulf War. Your post that he is not a "serious journalist" is what we call opinion.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I suspect what most of you most dislike about Maddow is her maddeningly persistent pursuit of dot-connecting and explanations, with supporting documentation, about why the dots being connected should be connected. She engages in a kind of Socratic method for undermining conservative shibboleths, asking and answering pertinent questions. And she's good-humored while doing it; the stupid crap she dissects on a regular basis can only be processed with a limited number of mindsets - utter despair, violent rage, or bemused detachment.

Wingnuts can't stand that kind of elitist explaning stuff. They much prefer to base their opinions on diagrams some crazy guy has drawn on a blackboard from associations plucked out of his arse.

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 22, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

JennOfArk, I've watched both, and Mr. Hume has a much more respectful demeanor and zero smugness. As always, your mileage may vary (it was rukidding7 who made it about "Britt Hume a blowhard not to be taken seriously as a journalist").

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't remember anybody doing a parody of Rachel Maddow. There have been many parodies of FOX News, including last week on SNL.

Whether you agree with Rachel's politics or not, my sense is that journalists and politicians respect Rachel's intelligence and demeanor.

Posted by: Beeliever | January 22, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"I remember the first time I watched her show wondering whether I was actually watching an SNL parody. Seriously. She strikes me as a caricature of a smug, self-satisfied lefty pundit. "

And all the Conservatives fall in line.

Yeah, it's impossible not to be smug when trying to debate you idiots. When you people don't seem to understand that 5-3 is not -3, it's impossible not to look down on you guys a little.

Actually, the true condescending stems from those guys who think your points are as valid as the other side's. Say someone like Dan Balz.

But , if you don't want serious discussion of the issues, go turn on Glenn Beck. Maddow is above your head, so you'll call her smug and condescending. And yeah, if I had trouble with basic facts and arithmetic, I might agree.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD said...
" you people equate intelligence with condescension."

That's an astute observation.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 6:38 PM
=========================================

In that case, neither of you will ever be confronted with the accusation.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD:
"But look at his comments. Every person is the dumbest person ever"
=========================================

No, just you DDAWD; your position as the dumbest person ever is secure. It's not even a contest.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I recall watching a Firing Line show about mid or late sixties when someone in the audience asked Buckley why he used such big words.

Now, Buckley was a snooty begger, no question. This was partly a consequence of the social mileu he came from and also, it's fair to say, because he was an exceptionally bright man. I can't think of anyone who presently appears on TV who is more impressed with himself than Buckley though George Will comes close. But I can listen to Buckley because even if a upper class twit type, he was intellectually rounded (remained close life-long friends with Galbraith, for example). Will, I can't abide.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7 wrote,
"She is actually a small business person like myself"
========================================

Make up your mind. Don't tell me you've already busted out as a respected journalist.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Scott,

"I remember the first time I watched her show wondering whether I was actually watching an SNL parody. Seriously. She strikes me as a caricature of a smug, self-satisfied lefty pundit."

Precisely. I still have exactly the same SNL thought every time I watch a few minutes of her. But then that whole MSNBC crew is life imitating SNL.

JennOfArk said:

"I suspect what most of you most dislike about Maddow is her maddeningly persistent pursuit of dot-connecting and explanations, with supporting documentation, about why the dots being connected should be connected."

No, actually it's her condescion, her smarmy smugness, her dishonesty. Like most of the left, she is quite adept at connecting dots that have no connection. Michael Moore is the epitome of the type, but all your idols specialize in it.

"She engages in a kind of Socratic method for undermining conservative shibboleths, asking and answering pertinent questions."

Try "sophistry."

"Clearly now that Olbermann is off the air, she's History's (New) Greatest Monster."

No, actually she's just smug, condescending, and dishonest. And, no, she isn't any kind of "journalist."

bernie said:

"DDAWD said...
' you people equate intelligence with condescension.'

That's an astute observation."

Actually, you people equate condescension with intelligence. That's exactly the problem.

ruk said:

"These people are intimidated by intelligence and OMG bring up facts and they'll say you're on a rant..FACTS really disturb our righties because they NEVER EVER post a single FACT showing what conservatives have done for our nation...NOT ONE. They simply sit back and take shots at us because they have no original thoughts of their own."

Yes, that's it. We're so horribly intimidated by Rachel's, Keith's, bernie's, and your intelligence. If only Rachel didn't masterfully debunk all my shibboleths.

What's sad is that you appear to have reverted to your previously "unbalanced" self, ruk.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

It's one of their favorite lines. When they can't rebut an argument, they just say that the arguer is such a high-falutin meanie

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 6:46 PM
====================================

I've never heard anyone say that. But then again, I've never seen DDAWD actually make an intelligent argument about anything. Has anyone else? Links please.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

JennOfArse:
"I suspect what most of you most dislike about Maddow is her maddeningly persistent pursuit of dot-connecting and explanations"
==========================================

I can't speak for anyone else, but what I most dislike about her are her frequent lies and her constant ignorance.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Whether you agree with Rachel's politics or not, my sense is that journalists and politicians respect Rachel's intelligence and demeanor.

Posted by: Beeliever | January 22, 2011 7:20 PM
=========================================

Hahahahahahaha. That's the howler of the day. Intelligence and demeanor. That's why she's on MSNBC.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Think Progress addresses the Justice Thomas story...

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/22/thomas-disclosure/

That's good as these guys do serious investigative research. But the level of politicization of the modern SC's right wing contingent is a really troublesome phenomenon. And, thanks to the Federalist Society, this trend, purposeful, extends to the lower courts as well.

Posted by: bernielatham | January 22, 2011 8:09 PM | Report abuse

But , if you don't want serious discussion of the issues, go turn on Glenn Beck. Maddow is above your head, so you'll call her smug and condescending. And yeah, if I had trouble with basic facts and arithmetic, I might agree.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 7:31 PM
=====================================

You should probably stick to your element. Have you yet figured out how to tell a bedpan from a dinner tray?

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, you people equate condescension with intelligence. That's exactly the problem."

Oooooh, how clever.

You know those centrists of the Dan Balz mold? Those who will claim that people who think tax cuts reduce the deficit and those who think tax cuts increase the deficit have equally valid points? THOSE are the ones who are condescending to you. Maddow tells you what you don't want to hear. You are the fat kid on the basketball team. Yeah, sure, your gym coach will tell you you are just as talented as any one else on the team and will make the NBA with just a little effort.

But to you, the condescending one is the one who tells you, "you're morbidly obese and abuse pain meds. Give up on basketball and become a conservative radio pundit"

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Brigade - Maddow's lies? Give us some examples.

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 22, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Beeliever, they parody her on SNL:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/21/snl-rachel-maddow-_n_786555.html

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Despite seeing it over and over, I'm still amazed that so many liberals prove their own stupidity with their bold declarations of the stupidity of people they know essentially nothing about. Or are they just coarse and vile fools?

Really doesn't matter which. I look forward to the PL overhaul and the ability to block fools like DDOLT. Make it good, Greg.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

JennofArk, this is just the first of many hits on that Google search:

http://www.charlotteconservative.com/index.php/2009/12/rachel-maddow-falsely-claims-ex-gay-author-gave-support-and-encouragement-for-execution-of-gays-in-uganda/

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad so many Tea Partiers tuned out Maddow and her segment on who exactly funds their precious grass roots movement. Dick Armey is trying to get them to dial back their enthusiasm but no one's sure they're going to be able to do it now that the train has left the station. DDay has a funny comment re his speech to the freshmen class of legislators who rode the tide in.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

""Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey urged freshman Republicans and the new House GOP leadership to temper themselves so as not to make the mistakes he and others made following their historic takeover of the chamber in 1994.

“We didn’t manage our enthusiasms and the fact of the matter is it ended up getting us in trouble,” said Armey in an interview as part of Advice for the 112th Congress: A POLITICO video series with former members of Congress.

He cited specifically the budget stand-offs in 1995 and 1996 which prompted the temporary closures of some federal government offices – and did serious political damage to the congressional Republicans that took the blame for it.

“[W]e ended up with that horrible nightmare called ‘the Government shutdown,’ which didn’t need to have happened and would not have happened if we had had a better management of our—oh, of our appreciation for the fact that we were the first majority in 40 years,” said Armey.""

"These guys are such frauds, and I think the monster they’ve created won’t stand for it this time around. Armey isn’t totally wrong that an extreme conservative course would lead to electoral ruin – that’s how I understand him – but when you elect a bunch of extreme conservatives, don’t be surprised when they seek out extreme conservative ideas.

And as for the “cooler heads will prevail” theory, when you have Dick Armey on his knees pleading with the forces he “leads,” it’s problem time."

Posted by: lmsinca | January 22, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Brigade - Maddow's lies? Give us some examples.

Posted by: JennOfArk | January 22, 2011 8:15 PM

==========================================

Here are a couple:

"Smug, smirking, smarmy Rachel Maddow took what passes at MSNBC as an in-depth look at the Shirley Sherrod incident and laid the entire blame at the feet of Fox News. Of course, she was lying, but that was probably Fox News’ fault, too.

Turns out that Fox never mentioned the story until after Sherrod had already resigned her position with the USDA. And that is proven by the very clips that Maddow used to condemn Fox."

---

Under a story entitled: "Rachel Maddow's Lies Lead to Death Threats Against Conservatives":

"On her MSNBC show last night, the left-wing Air America host Rachel Maddow took a swipe at the conservative Shirley & Banister Public Affairs firm, specifically President and CEO Craig Shirley. Maddow accused Shirley of being behind a grassroots Web site funded by the group Grassfire.org, based on a research provided by the “independent watchdog group Public Citizen,” and she showed still images from an incendiary “Obama=Hitler” video that’s posted on the Grassfire’s ResistNet.com Web site.
But Maddow was wrong. The Public Citizen web page she cited is several years old. Shirley & Banister hasn’t represented Grassfire.org since 2004. And Diana Banister, a partner and Vice President at Shirley & Banister, told NewsBusters that Maddow’s false report has led to hate mail and even death threats to the public relations firm. (Let’s see if the left-wing thuggery gets any attention from the MSM.)

Craig Shirley and Diana Banister are demanding a retraction and apology from Maddow."---politikditto.com

-------

There are plenty of other examples available, but first let's see whether you have the character and integrity necessary to admit that Maddow tells lies.


Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Rachel is a prolific liar. She lied about Bart Stupak's supposedly lying about the Obamacare bill's funding abortion. She falsely accused Limbaugh of saying James Earl Ray should get the Medal of Honor.

But, we know, since liberals instinctively and incorrigibly believe lies, it's hard for you all to tell the difference.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Well she's also big enough to apologize when she makes a mistake.

""MADDOW: And finally, a quote falsely attributed to talk show host Rush Limbaugh recently resurfaced during the debate over whether or not he should or would be part of a group bidding to buy the St. Louis Rams football team. On June 3 as I was reporting on opposition to then-Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, I was among the people who erroneously referred to the quote as if Mr. Limbaugh had said it. To set the record straight, Rush Limbaugh apparently never said that Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassin should receive the Medal of Honor and I was in error when we reported that he had. Mea culpa.""

Posted by: lmsinca | January 22, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Open Thread
By Greg Sargent
@ 11:06 AM ET on January 22, 2011
Eliminationist rhetoric will get you eliminated from the comments section by any means necessary.

What?

Eliminationism is the belief that one's political opponents are "a cancer on the body politic that must be excised — either by separation from the public at large, through censorship or by outright extermination — in order to protect the purity of the nation"

The term was coined by American political scientist Daniel Goldhagen in his 1996 book Hitler's Willing Executioners in which he posits that ordinary Germans not only knew about, but also supported, the Holocaust because of a unique and virulent "eliminationist antisemitism" in the German identity, which had developed in the preceding centuries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliminationism

Well Greg there you go again. Linking your world view of an historical analysis of a bygone time by a contemporary, to the astonishment of a good segment of society at the naked descent into the abrogationism currently being practiced by the ABMSNBDNCNNPBSR Public-Private, Government-Media Complex @ the moveon.ogre belfry that are still trying to win a war against the Founders, the Patriots, and the Statesmen (Persons) who have delivered a Democratic Republic to US that we must fight to preserve, no matter what storms, brinks, man-made disasters, and threats against Liberty, these horrible people have led US into (if that results in some people seeing and hearing words they don't want to face, so be it).

This is as much as an admission of failure to rise to the challenge of a man in the watchtower. Maybe you need a time out, a program of rehabilitation such as Dana Milbank has engaged in. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/20/AR2011012004349.html?nav=hcmoduletmv)

Maybe you could split the bill at the clinic with him, or maybe unbeknownst to us you are already covered under the Affordable Health Insurance Program recently foisted upon the good majority of US.

When the Blog Slinging brings back the hope, change promised, and the 30,000,000+ of US under/un-employed who, according to Juseph Rob('em when they're up) Rob('em when they're down)in(a v)ette ('Dem Jobs Aren't Comin' Back on My Watch) Bi(te me)den, who will see no return to prosperity as long as the ATM with all OUR PINS published in the congressional record, the checkbook with OUR names deemed signed them, and a 101 year history of a Tax System never intended by the Founders, exist in Washington DC, and when they (WE) get more than a change of status of the jobs "eliminated", to just "kidnapped" for ransom. That'd be a good start, Greg.

Posted by: RichNomore | January 22, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Come on folks go easy on the elfin wood nymph, there is way more abrogatin' goin on here in Sargent Land, than Rach even dreamed of, it's just more sub-tile, so you may not notice it.

Posted by: RichNomore | January 22, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Truce Greg? We'll stop with the abrogationist references if you stop with the eliminationist references, deal?

Posted by: RichNomore | January 22, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Brigade....

"Make up your mind. Don't tell me you've already busted out as a respected journalist."

First of all I never said "respected" I said serious...I gave it my best effort. Unlike you however I'm not a big enough arrogant arse to term myself as respected or good..only people like you break their arms patting themselves on their own backs.

Perhaps your limited life experience would explain your very limited mind you've only had one career. I've done many things in my life and I'm 63...approximately 23 years of that were spent in broadcast journalism. Maybe I'm just that much older than you Brigade or perhaps I'm just that much more experienced than you. Judging from your intellectually limited posts which are largely confined to insulting other posters it must be the latter. Because in all honesty Brigade your posts are perhaps a shade better than RTR's and KDE's but you can't even carry Clawrence's jockstrap yet. You're just a run of the mill boring hate monger.

@clawrence "It is a "FACT" that Mr. Hume won an Emmy in 1991 for his coverage of the Gulf War." INDEED! That was 1991..long before Faux news gave the pompous jackarse a chance to sell out!!!

And you desecrate Edward R. Murrow's name by even suggesting he would be cheap enough, greedy enough, or ignorant enough to be part of Faux News. They have how many R former Presidential candidates? They have how many right wing pundits and how many lefties to balance it out....they did how many promotions for the Tea baggers and yet they call themselves "Fair and Balanced." That one single lie should be enough for a rational person to see the farce that is called Faux news.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

@Q.B. "Rachel is a prolific liar. She lied about Bart Stupak's supposedly lying about the Obamacare bill's funding abortion. She falsely accused Limbaugh of saying James Earl Ray should get the Medal of Honor."

You point out two mistakes...one of which she corrected and you call her a prolific liar.

pro·lif·ic
 –adjective
producing in large quantities or with great frequency; highly productive: a prolific writer.


May I add another definition for you Q.B.

Hyperbole=Q.B.

BTW lmsinca named just one time Rachel has corrected the record when she or her staff made a mistake. I've seen a couple of other as well.

Now righties we can wait the rest of the night for this one...name a single time that fat drug addled pig corrected one of his errors...

How about Bill O

Glen Beck..

Ahhh but they never make mistakes right...they must be like Brigade...perfect in every way...legends..in their own minds!!!!!And the weak minds of their kool aid drinking followers.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Man, it is ugly in here tonight.

In New Hampshire today, at the GOP party meeting, two interesting things happened. Mr. Jack "I do not have 3 eyes" Kimball was elected party chairman. Mr. Kimball was the Tea Party candidate for party chairman and beat out the establishment candidate promoted by former Gov. Sununu.

Then, the straw poll taken had Romney at 35%, Ron Paul at 11%, Tim Pawlenty at 8%, Palin, Bachmann and Demint with 7% or less.

Looks like the Tea Party is starting to line up behind Romney in New Hampshire at least.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm out guys. I can't wait for the new improvements to the PL including a standard Troll blocker we don't have to download.

I was talking with my wife tonight about how great we feel when we are around our two Yoga instructors. They are both sweet ladies who bring out the best in other people. I like people who bring out the best in me. I dislike those whose mean spirited comments bring out the worst in all of us and you sorry miserable folks know who you are....be proud that you have the capacity to bring out the worst in people...nasty vitriol filled posts...have fun losers.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Is there any political commentator that I disagree with, but appreciate his intelligence?

If there any political commentator that I agree with, but consider unintelligent?

Hint: the answers should be yes and yes, and one should be able to make two lists.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

@12Bar "Man, it is ugly in here tonight."

Sorry 12Bar for my contributions to the ugliness. Again I can't wait for PL's blocker feature. I don't need to just hear from people I agree with...I'll still read Scott and Q.B....but the idiots...and of course the Blog sickie RFR or whatever that poor deluded soul is calling himself this week...but also the people who bring so much hate to this blog...especially the sad folks who think hate and insults are entertainment...again I prefer to engage people who bring out the best in me not those who simply wish to drag me down to their pathetic level.

I appreciate you 12Bar..not because I agree with you but because you have manners..like our blog saint lmsinca. And lest their be any mistake this is NOT a left right thing for me. Scott can be disagreeable but Scott is never hateful or mean spirited....for the most part I could make the same comment about Q.B., and certainly Kevin is as mannerly as any poster here...I just can't wait to block out the hate mongers and clean up all that crap from 37th...I mean really who wants to spend all that time scrolling past utter nonsense.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 22, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

@ruk,

If I remember right, you have some difficulty installing Kevin's Troll Hunter. From Greg's hints, PlumLine's system sounds similar to TH. I honestly believe that my blood pressure was 20 points higher when I scrolled past Rainy because one can't help but read a few words here and there. With TH, that is totally gone. Relief.

This was one of those days when the content of the blog was, well, substandard. What was learned? Nothing. Wait, I did learn something and that is how hard it is to separate agreement from appreciation of other traits. I had to ask myself how guilty I am of the same, because of course, we're all human and all tend to do so.

I'll start with some surprising admissions: I respect Alan Keyes although I have little agreement with his political views. He is very smart and very articulate and actually fascinating to listen to.

You have someone?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

ruk:

""Now righties we can wait the rest of the night for this one...name a single time that fat drug addled pig corrected one of his errors...How about Bill O...Glen Beck..""

I would have thought a simple google search for "O'Reilly apologizes" or "Limbaugh apologizes" etc. would have been a wise move before posting the above silliness.

Posted by: ScottC3 | January 22, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

ruk, please stop with the saint stuff. BG started that and it's embarrassingly false.

12Bar

I know your question wasn't directed to me but I learned to respect others opinions and separate political and philosophical differences from character from my long journey with my Dad. He was ultra conservative and a closet racist, which he mostly overcame, and we had a stormy relationship at times. But we always loved each other and grew to admire each other more and more every year. He only dis-owned me once, LOL. He was on his death bed and tried to bring up politics one last time but I told him that politics didn't matter to me in the least right then, why not talk about something we agreed on instead. It seems to me we should all be able to find a bit common ground around something.

Posted by: lmsinca | January 22, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your response.

Put your saint hat back on. It looks good on you. lol.

My dad was also racist. And not very educated. But we love who we love, and it's not because they are smart or openminded. I respected my dad's generosity of spirit and I realized that he was a product of his times. He was a proud union member. When I was in my 20's and 30's I couldn't see what good unions did and said so many times. One time he explained to me what it was like before unions and how it affected him personally and what changed when they unionized. I learned something that day from a guy who was not very well educated. That's something, isn't it?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"You point out two mistakes...one of which she corrected and you call her a prolific liar."

You don't get the concept of examples? That's what JennOfArf asked for. I gave two (more). It was easy, because Rach fibs a lot. It's my opinion that these are examples of prolific lies. You don't have to share it.

"May I add another definition for you Q.B.

Hyperbole=Q.B."

See your own comments the past couple of days and then tell me about hyperbole. Heck, see your comments above. Or those of your buds JennOfArf and DDOLT.

"I dislike those whose mean spirited comments bring out the worst in all of us and you sorry miserable folks know who you are....be proud that you have the capacity to bring out the worst in people...nasty vitriol filled posts...have fun losers."

You mean like the following?

"These people are intimidated by intelligence and OMG bring up facts and they'll say you're on a rant..FACTS really disturb our righties because they NEVER EVER post a single FACT showing what conservatives have done for our nation...NOT ONE. They simply sit back and take shots at us because they have no original thoughts of their own."

____________

"Now righties we can wait the rest of the night for this one...name a single time that fat drug addled pig corrected one of his errors...

How about Bill O

Glen Beck.."

Someone mentioned "ugly" rhetoric?

I've heard them correct themselves. Perhaps you should catalogue their many, many uncorrected lies for us. Then we can test your claims.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"Despite seeing it over and over, I'm still amazed that so many liberals prove their own stupidity with their bold declarations of the stupidity of people they know essentially nothing about. Or are they just coarse and vile fools? "

Don't take my word for it. Go out on the street and ask any number of random people what 5-3 is equal to. You'll be surprised how many coarse and vile fools you'' find.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 10:36 PM | Report abuse

ScottC3, sometimes I don't know why I waste my time trying to reason with them. If we don't point out the lies, though, who will? I heard Rush Limbaugh come back from a commercial break and correct a mistake he made about Rep. Cohen (D-TN) just yesterday. That's an honest mistake, not the lies the left knowngly tells. It's amazing what you can find via Google when you really want to.

At least JennofArk left after we pointed out several Rachel Maddow lies.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 22, 2011 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"I would have thought a simple google search for "O'Reilly apologizes" or "Limbaugh apologizes" etc. would have been a wise move before posting the above silliness. "

Maybe you should have done it yourself just in case anyone googled it to see if any sincere apologies came up

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

A thought for all you conservatives to mull as you sing the triumph of the Gospel of Tea:

When you have driven all the insufficiently Fervent R's into retirement and installed your guys through out the republican party, will your replacements for party bosses at the State and Local levels have the following to replace the hardened campaigners out in the trenches with equally experienced and talented ward bosses and precinct captains?

Will the Teaser Coup bring with it the rank and file you need to actually win elections, or merely drive out the workers you need and replace them with the talkers you have?

Go you think that just maybe you may be laying off or out right firing some of the mechanics who are the only people available who can keep your party machinery running at all, let alone smoothly enough to produce those victories you anticipate?

Just a thought.

Posted by: ceflynline | January 22, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Just thought I'd let y'all know I'll mostly be gone over the next few weeks, my sister fell early Monday morning so I'm back and forth between here and NM until she recovers. I've got her in a convalescent home (one of those small ones with only 8 patients thank God) right now, but will be trying to get her back to her house soon I hope.

I didn't want anyone to think I was staying away because of the comments, I've seen and heard it all before, but there's still some value in the old PlumLine and a nugget of interesting information or challenging debate on occasion. Have a good one all.

Posted by: lmsinca | January 22, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Good luck, lms. Prayers for your sis.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"Don't take my word for it. ..."

I don't have to take your word for it. Your words are the proof of it, particularly your assertions that all of us who disagree with your views and don't swallow the propaganda you swallow are stupid and intimidated by intelligence. Only someone profoundly stupid himself or profoundly foolish would say something so ridiculous.

Which is why I won't be reading your words at all if and when Greg gives us idiot blocking.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 11:01 PM | Report abuse

"I don't have to take your word for it. Your words are the proof of it, particularly your assertions that all of us who disagree with your views and don't swallow the propaganda you swallow are stupid and intimidated by intelligence."

There's disagreeing with my views and there's saying that the Bush tax cuts are 0.00% of the deficit. I challenge you to find me a room where you won't get laughed out of for saying that. If you're going to purport that in a subtraction problem, the first number has no impact on the answer, then yeah, not a ton of people are going to coddle you.

And while you're at it, go and find a doctor and tell him that you think that end of life discussions are nothing but death panels. I dare you, you disgusting pr**k.

Also, there is a blocker available, tough guy.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 22, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 12Bar

I mentioned last week I was taking a break but when I read the comments when I got back Thursday, I thought maybe a few people here thought I was leaving in protest or something. Just wanted to clear that up. I'm adding to my frequent flyer miles anyway so there is that.

Posted by: lmsinca | January 22, 2011 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I just got back from burying my aunt. She spent many a week in convalescent hospitals in the round robin of 1) going to hospital ER with something minor, 2) released to convalescent hospital for 21 days--coincidentally the exact number of days paid by Medicare 3) released back home to assisted living. This cycle went on for about ten years.

Watch the pressure sores--that's what my aunt usually gained from the convalescent hospitals. BTW, not all the convalescent visits were unnecessary, just some of them. IMO.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

"I dare you, you disgusting pr**k."

In case you hadn't noticed, I don't bother trying to debate or discuss issues with you anymore, tempting though it is to engage such an intellectual who calls me a disgusting pr**k and tough guy.

Posted by: quarterback1 | January 22, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

It is astonishing how many liberals do not want to read opposing views.

It is like their whole world will come crashing down if someone mentions that Obama's health care plan might be too expensive for the Economy.


Any thought which does not re-enforce the idea that the liberals are superior to everyone else because they want to give greater benefits to everyone else (and disregard all consideration of costs) - causes their heads to explode.

The liberals have such little self-esteem that they can not allow the thought that their ideas might be flawed.


The ideas might have to be revised to take into account...... reality.


This is too much for the liberals to handle.

rukidding has become unhinged, perhaps violent, complainging that he is so angry he can not contain himself.

12Bar has gone into therapy because she can not handle the blogs on the Washington Post (yes, apparently it's true) and today she is claiming her high blood presssure is due to reading comments from Conservatives (yes, again, it's true.)


The stories of liberals going mad apparently are true.

Obama touched these people - and the whole time Obama knew he was full of BS.

Obama's job performance is nothing like what he promised, and the liberal simply can not handle it. Madness is coming.

The Arizona shooter lost it because of Obama's failure to live up to his own words.

"What's government when words have no meaning?"


The liberal policies at the shooter's school solved nothing, all they did was transfer the problem from the school to the Safeway.


Meanwhile, the libeals around the country went completely nuts with a mass-insanity smear campaign against the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.

This is not mature, adult behavior. It is not even the behavior of proper citizens.


Instead, the Obama and the liberals have turned American politics into a COMPLETE CIRCUS, and this is madness for a Superpower.


When will it stop? How many other liberals will turn to violence?


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 11:31 PM | Report abuse

lmsinca--that's funny. I was getting ready to ask that you be freed from the sainthood albatross just as I saw your post.

As far as KO goes, I suspect he was ready to move on even as he was being pushed. I recognize the many contributions he made, particularly in helping bring Rachel to the fore and giving Ezra and Chris Hayes a higher profile and not doing false equivalency journalism. But to be perfectly honest, my first reaction at hearing he was gone was relief. Countdown got turned on at the end of dinner at my house (not by me), and his self righteous rants and merciless hostility toward Obama had started to make me miserable. I'm not that into people who seem so eager to stoke grievances.

He'll be fine, though. He's super smart and skilled and I'm sure he'll be out there stirring up things where his fan base can find him.

Posted by: AllButCertain | January 22, 2011 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about your aunt 12Bar, I know you've mentioned her before so you must have been close. My sister's only 57 and her general health is pretty sound. She suffered a traumatic brain injury 21 years ago in a terrible car accident where her husband was killed. That's actually how my husband and I ended up with the large family. She's never been the same mentally and we have someone live with her and cart her around because she can't drive, but physically she'll bounce back just fine. She broke her upper femur and they plated it but she's already getting around with a walker. Her doctor just thought the extra help would speed her recovery along and since we're paying for it ourselves, what the heck.

Anyway, time to turn in. Keep the faith.

Posted by: lmsinca | January 22, 2011 11:33 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7:
"Unlike you however I'm not a big enough arrogant arse to term myself as respected or good..only people like you break their arms patting themselves on their own"

I don't suppose you could come up with any examples of me terming myself as good or respected or patting myself on the back.
No? Then who's the arrogant arse?
---

"Perhaps your limited life experience would explain your very limited mind you've only had one career."

And you know this . . . how? Links?
---

"Judging from your intellectually limited posts which are largely confined to insulting other posters it must be the latter."

I just don't want the posts going over your head. You know . . . like the one about Governors trying to balance budgets which sent you off on a tangent about Jimmy Carter---when he was President.
---

"Because in all honesty Brigade your posts are perhaps a shade better than RTR's and KDE's but you can't even carry Clawrence's jockstrap yet. You're just a run of the mill boring hate monger."

For someone who claims not to enjoy insults and name-calling, you certainly spend a lot of time doing exactly that. I know it must be frustrating to see so many of your wild political theories demolished, but you really should come to terms with it---or find some new theories.
As for carrying clawrence's jockstrap, you'd have to get your head out it first.

Posted by: Brigade | January 22, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a convalescent hospital is definitely indicated. Our prayers go with you. Via con Dios.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

ABC, yeah it's a little hard to live up to right? Sheesh

Posted by: lmsinca | January 22, 2011 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the sister and the aunt. I hadn't read that when I posted. Nothing funny there.

Posted by: AllButCertain | January 22, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

lms,

I think that saint thing is a shorthand way of saying that the regular posters here respect you. And that's a good thing.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | January 22, 2011 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Instead, the Obama and the liberals have turned American politics into a COMPLETE CIRCUS, and this is madness for a Superpower.


When will it stop? How many other liberals will turn to violence?


.


_________________________


What a night - You people are out of your minds

LOL


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

For someone who claims not to enjoy insults and name-calling, you certainly spend a lot of time doing exactly that. I know it must be frustrating to see so many of your wild political theories demolished, but you really should come to terms with it---or find some new theories.

_________________________

Excellent set of points about rukidding.

Unbelievable how many times at the very moment he is attempting to criticize someone, he is doing the exact same thing with his own comment.

This is madness - there can be no other explanation


NO wonder the liberals are so desperate for government-funded MENTAL health care - THEY NEED IT BADLY.


That explains EVERYTHING.


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I love this about the liberals

They like to refer to other people with the initials of their screen name -

However many times they can't even get that right.

Sort of explains why liberals have so many budget deficits.

It's not really like they are TRYING to balance the budgets, right?


.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Any thought which does not re-enforce the idea that the liberals are superior to everyone else because they want to give greater benefits to everyone else (and disregard all consideration of costs) - causes their heads to explode.

The liberals have such little self-esteem that they can not allow the thought that their ideas might be flawed.


The ideas might have to be revised to take into account...... reality.


_____________________________


"What's government when words have no meaning"

NO ONE can dispute that this line refers directly to Obama's 2008 promises.

Seriously folks, Obama's Bait and Switch operation is what caused the Arizona shooter to lose it.


The liberals are descending into a madness that few of them will return from.

Posted by: RainForestRising | January 22, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

If we are to ban "eliminationist rhetoric", then liberals must never speak of the "FAIRNESS DOCTRINE" again.

Elimination of free speech is despicable and UnAmerican.

Posted by: battleground51 | January 23, 2011 7:06 AM | Report abuse

I have no idea what all this MSNBC talk is about. I never watch MSNBC.

Which puts me in the overwhelming majority.

To me, Rachael Maddcow is a complete unknown.

I do know about that Chris Matthews character. Does he still get tingley thighs over Obama??

Posted by: battleground51 | January 23, 2011 7:30 AM | Report abuse

DDAWD:

"""Maybe you should have done it yourself just in case anyone googled it to see if any sincere apologies came up""

Sincer? Ah, I forgot about that remarkable talent libs seem to have for reading others' minds.

Posted by: ScottC3 | January 23, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

All, a fresh Open Thread for you:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/sunday_open_thread_18.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 23, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

@Scott

Took your advice and googled but I came up with pretty much the same thoughts as DDawd. Bill O DID apologize for Shirley Sherrod...as did the entire right wing for falling for another of Andrew Breitbarts hack jobs. Brietbart makes Fox look like CBS of the 1950's when it comes to credibility. As for Rush...I found two..admittedly I didn't go past the first page because halfway down the apologies/Rush google revealed how many R's apologized to HIM. LOL

But I take your basic point Scott...you did find One Bill O and a couple of Rushbo apologies...Beck..oh yeah he has a couple as well...for calling Obama a racist and for making fun of Malia.

Well I posit you'll have to wait a very long time to hear Maddow apologize for making fun of a politician by targeting their children. She has too much class.

@lmsinca and 12Bar....lmsinca at your request I'll stop using BG's "saint" moniker :-) You'll notice I always called you small s saint and not capital S Saint so as to not offend our Catholic posters...I mean we like you lmsinca but we hadn't seriously canonized you yet. :-)
Still you are a role model for me...reasoned, without bile, vitriol, and hate..and you provide plenty of interesting links. Good luck with your sister...you have my ecumenical prayers(actually I call it meditation) along with 12Bars for her quick recovery.

BTW lmsinca that was a moving story about your father and touched me greatly because of my personal situaton. My 85 year old mother is afraid to fly. Next month I'm flying to Cincinnati from St. Pete..I'll rent a car at the airport and pick her up and immediately start driving back to St. Pete...a week later I'll reverse the project:-) It is a labor of love of course..at this stage we never know how much longer we have our parents..she'll get to see Daniel O'Donnell while she's with me and we'll have a great time. This past week she was talking on the phone with me...very very excited in anticipation of the trip..when she said..."promise me one thing" "yeah Mom what?" "We won't talk about politics"
My mother is now fragile and growing more childlike with each passing year. She is the epitome of some who wants all narratives to fit the conclusions she has already reached. It's not even about tne or politeness with her any longer...it's just too disturbing to her world to think of Beck as a hate monger..or Hannity as shameless panderer. But like you and your father lmsinca my mother and I have had some wonderful conversations...that while political are not partisan. She is a very decent human being (whose mother is not?lol) and she has even grown fond of both of the Obamas personally.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 23, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

@12Bar Condolences for your loss.

Posted by: rukidding7 | January 23, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, I only googled Limbaugh. Look him up and see what his "apologies" are.

I'm not too surprised that O'Reilly actually has real apologies. I don't watch his show often, but from what I've seen, he's a hell of a lot more gracious than people give him credit for. Don't get me wrong, if you compile his worst stuff, it's pretty despicable, but he isn't up to the level that Beck or Hannityh sink to.

I've never noticed that with Limbaugh, though.

Posted by: DDAWD | January 23, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

As I noted, above, Rush corrected himself just on Friday.

Posted by: clawrence12 | January 23, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Post a Comment

We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features.

User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site. Additionally, entries that are unsigned or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. Finally, we will take steps to block users who violate any of our posting standards, terms of use or privacy policies or any other policies governing this site. Please review the full rules governing commentaries and discussions.




characters remaining

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2011 The Washington Post Company