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Posted at 4:43 PM ET, 01/ 3/2011

Dems playing rough on health reform?

By Greg Sargent

More signs Dems are going to get aggressive in the battle with the GOP over the repeal of health reform.

In an interview with me just now, Dem Rep. Anthony Weiner, who is one of the best there is at framing liberal arguments in pugnacious terms, said Dems are leaning towards seeing this fight as an opportunity, and appear to be eschewing their typical "fetal position" on health reform.

Separately, in another development, Dem Rep. Peter Welch -- last seen leading the charge on behalf of House liberals against the Obama tax cut deal -- is circulating a letter among Dems vowing to introduce amendments to the GOP's repeal bill forcing votes directly on the Affordable Care Act's most popular provisions.

Weiner told me this afternoon that he's urging fellow Democrats to see the GOP's repeal push as a chance to do what they failed to do last year in the runup to the midterms: Aggressively make the case for the individual provisions in health reform that the public likes.

"This gives us a chance to unmake the mistake that we made in 2010 -- we shied away from the challenge of explaining exactly what's in the bill," Weiner said. "Polls show that parts of health reform are very popular. That argues for talking more about what's actually in it."

Weiner allowed that Dems were divided over how tough to make their response. "There is disagreement about this in our caucus," Weiner said. "Some people want to stay in a fetal position under their desks whenever health care comes up as a topic, but we aren't shying away from this challenge."

Weiner framed the argument Dems should make this way: "Republicans are against a lot of things, but they are for kicking young Americans off their parents' insurance plans, for reinstating copayments for preventive measures like cancer screenings, and for denying children coverage based on preexisting conditions."

Meanwhile, Rep. Welch is circulating a letter among colleagues vowing to introduce amendments that will preserve "the elimination on lifetime limits, coverage of individuals up to age 26, the requirement that individuals not be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions and the requirement that preventive care be provided free of charge."

The game plan, his office says, is to force Republicans to go on record voting specifically on the provisions themselves. It's unclear as of yet how much support Welch's amendments have among the Dem leadership, but judging by comments by Weiner and others, things are trending towards a feisty Dem response.

By Greg Sargent  | January 3, 2011; 4:43 PM ET
Categories:  Health reform, House Dems, House GOPers  
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Comments

Weiner standing up for healthcare.

Posted by: veritasinmedium | January 3, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

But won't fighting the Republicans make moderates mad? That is why they capitulated or compromised or flopped on the ground in a fetal position or whatever you want to call it all last year. Here I thought the Democratic leadership plan was about appeasing moderates and blaming the left if it doesn't work.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 3, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Weiner told me this afternoon that he's urging fellow Democrats to see the GOP's repeal push as a chance to do what they failed to do last year in the runup to the midterms: Aggressively make the case for the individual provisions in health reform that the public likes."

Bit late for that, they already lost the seats.

"The game plan, his office says, is to force Republicans to go on record voting specifically on the provisions themselves. It's unclear as of yet how much support Welch's amendments have among the Dem leadership, but judging by comments by Weiner and others, things are trending towards a feisty Dem response."

How do they plan to do that in the House? Presumably the House (Republican) leadership will simply bring up a clean repeal bill of the Health Care law.

Also, does anyone know what the current status of the 1099 reporting requirements is?

Posted by: jnc4p | January 3, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Awewome news, but why settle for just good politics? I saw Democrats follow Kucinich's suggestion and make the new health law even better by reintroducing the public option.

Afterall, 63% of Americans support the new law OR want it to go even further.

Let's roll!

Posted by: paul65 | January 3, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"House sets Jan. 12 vote on repeal of health-care law"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/03/AR2011010303781.html?hpid=topnews

That didn't take long.

Posted by: jnc4p | January 3, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Ask Mr. Weiner to introduce an amendment that would require every Congress member who votes for repeal, to automatically forfeit their own government provided health coverage. automatically triggers a cancellation of the voters own government provided coverage.

He could call it: The Hypocrites For Health Care Repeal, amendment.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 3, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

wow, the left turns to yet another NYC blow hard as spokes dude. Yeah, let's see both Weiner and Schumer on the sunday shows!

Let's remind Americans that they are now being lead by urban liberals. I have no doubt that this will bring comfort to hearth and home in Iowa or Alabama.

Please, by all means, give Mr Weiner all the microphone time he wants. As long as he keeps talking the liberal agenda will be stalled.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | January 3, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I guess Skippy has now turned against the people who live in the city where terrorists killed thousands.

Poor Skippy, now that it suits his message of diseased greed being good, suddenly he hates the people who live in big cities like the New York, where our fellow human beings were slaughtered.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 3, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

So now every time the majority changes, the new ones will spend all their time repealing bills made by the old ones. Why bother to have a Congress at all?

What a bunch of selfish adolescent boobs.

Posted by: areyousaying | January 3, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The purpose of this charade is to raise money, pure and simple.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | January 3, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The purpose of the repeal bill in the House is to toy with the emotions of the millions of Joe The Dumber clones, AKA The Tea Party.

The Boehnerites know full well that Harry Reid will never call up a repeal bill in the Senate, but those Boehnerites also know that those Tea Party mopes will never grasp that fact, so they can play them for the Stupid Koch Suckers, that Dick Armey showed them to be, by feeding them this repeal bowl of empty calories.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 3, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

This is the best part:

"ObamaCare failed to lower costs"

How do they sleep at night going around making such flagrantly disingenuous and intellectually dishonest claims?

Putting aside the obvious fact that most of the provision haven't taken effect yet...

The particularly ironic/funny aspect is that while they decry the "government takeover" of the health insurance "free market," they are also pounding their fists and crying that the law didn't do enough to force the insurance industry to lower costs to consumers.

Funny, and yet so sad and pathetic.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | January 3, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Of course the fact that Health Care Insurance costs were skyrocketing every year, for the past decade, while millions were being dropped from coverage, never penetrates the turnip heads who call their selves The Tea Party.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 3, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"Let's remind Americans that they are now being lead by urban liberals."

In dog-whistle code, that means 'black people.'

You can get your dogwhistle decoder ring in any box of cheap, supersweet, fattening, zero-nutrition cereal at WalMart.

Posted by: fiona5 | January 3, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

As if they even have to use cover. No Democratic candidate has gotten a majority of the votes from white people who voted in an American Presidential election since LBJ. Post racial? Nowhere I know.

Posted by: shrink2 | January 3, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

This is obviously posturing by the House Rs for their base, which is apparently to be met by posturing by the House Ds, for their base.

This will be followed by posturing over the Debt Ceiling.

I hope they can get to routine everyday business like, oh, appropriations, this year. I envision a Congress that never does its actual business again, and wonder how that will work.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | January 3, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

"I envision a Congress that never does its actual business again, and wonder how that will work." A lot like this?

But seriously, what do you think the solution could be? Most all well run countries have parliamentary systems, so the various interest groups can fractionate and coalesce as they see fit. I used to think that a laughably cumbersome system, governments falling on no confidence votes etc., but not any more. England's government is a marvel of productivity compared to ours, bloody England!

Posted by: shrink2 | January 3, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/01/happy_hour_roundup_157.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | January 3, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if The Republicans are not posturing on raising the Debt Ceiling. They may be convinced that they can force President Obama to blink, and give them large spending cuts on social programs, in exchange for not causing a great global depression, by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. After all, he has given them no reason to feel that he would call their bluff, since he did blink on the Bush Tax Cuts for the very rich.

I hope that he took some calcium supplements, and will show a stronger backbone on this confrontation.

Democrats should probably just stay on the sidelines, and let the Republicans go ahead with their threat to let the USA default on paying it's debts. Then President Obama can explain why he has to stop all pay outs to all the States, and has to start winding down all foreign military bases and wars, because The Republicans have made it impossible to pay for them.

Democrats. When the enemy is about to destroy itself, just stand aside, and keep your mouths shut, until he has the noose around his neck, and has kicked out the chair.

Posted by: Liam-still | January 3, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

So 2011 could be the year the Democrats decide to fight for working people and risk annoying those who live off inherited or invested wealth? Hallelujah!!!

I love the idea of trying to get a public option added to health care. I'm for any option that helps the working public.

Posted by: DWinFC | January 3, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Just end the two foreign wars of Republicant adventure.

There is your health care money.

...

Spend it in America not in Iraq or Afghanistan.

PERIOD.

We want US jobs - the Republics owe us 500,000 US jobs for November, 500,000 US jobs for December and they will owe us another 500,000 US jobs for January.

WHERE ARE THE MILLION US JOBS YOU PROMISED!?!

Posted by: WillSeattle | January 3, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I think it's one thing to sell the popular policies, but its the unpopular features that have to be addressed, in particular the individual mandate. This is a Republican idea designed to eliminate the free-riders on the system. If you already have health insurance, you are paying for the free-riders right now. That is how the free-riders are affecting interstate commerce--they are forcing up insurance prices everywhere. Using the health-care system is not exactly an option like buying a car--almost everyone ends up needing medical care eventually. Having everyone pay in is the only way to make the system fair to those who are paying now.

Posted by: scientist1 | January 3, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse


Democrats must clearly define the issue. Mess with any part of ObamaCare...you destroy the complete package. Its like a house of cards ...that can come tumbling down if Republicans inject changes/underfund it.

If you destroy health care reform, it massively benefits the Health Care Industry. Already, they are making billions in profits. They would love to add billions more to their bottom line. In contrast, the average America...the working class in America ...would pay dearly in higher costs, less coverage, denial of health care because of pre-existing conditions, seniors would lose a portion of their drug benefit....etc.

So the issues should be crystal clear....Republicans want to to support the very wealthy Health Care Industry. Democrats want to support the working class. Again, Democrats are on the right side of the issue...but this must be conveyed....SCREAMED to the public.

Posted by: DominionDem | January 3, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The Dems in the House cannot force anything. The majority runs the show. Both sides do it.

Posted by: LHO39 | January 3, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The debt ceiling will be raised with support from both sides. Not doing it is too stupid for either Party to push. There will be no votes from both sides too.

Posted by: LHO39 | January 3, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

That Obamacare bill was a wicked power grab. Imagine the government telling you what kind of insurance you have to have. Suppose I want to buy very minimal, catastrophic-only insurance, and pay the routine stuff out-of-pocket. Obamacare makes this impossible. Talk about corrupt!

Posted by: fraudbust2011 | January 3, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

From HuffPost Hill: “GOP RULES EXEMPT COSTS OF REPEALING HEALTH CARE – House Republican rules for the 112th Congress exempt all sorts of tax cuts from any requirement that their deficit impact be offset — including one they jarringly refer to as the “estate tax” (the wha??) — but they specifically “exempt the budgetary effects of legislation repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010.”

This sounds like they know these bills reduce the deficit and so are exempting the deficit reductions from consideration. I’m not sure I understand. Greg or anybody, do you have any more information on this?

Posted by: valkayec | January 3, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Eliminating the child protections in the health care bill amounts to Republican Death Panels for babies.

Baby Death Panels. I wonder how that will sit with the Pro-Life people.

As for the Republicans who support the Baby Death Panels, will we hear them say, "I was Pro Life before I was against it"?

Posted by: colonelpanic | January 3, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I guess Skippy has now turned against the people who live in the city where terrorists killed thousands.

==

So do yourself a favor and put him on your Troll Hunter list. It's not as though he's going to post anything but uninformed ugliness. You know this. Use the tools at your disposal for more efficient utilization of your time.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 3, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

That Obamacare bill was a wicked power grab. Imagine the government telling you what kind of insurance you have to have.

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Imagine the government telling you want kind of auto insurance you have to have. And what kind of motorcycle helmet you have to wear.

Were you born this stupid or did you have to study for it?

Posted by: caothien9 | January 3, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Pity the Democrats didn't "play rough" the past two years instead of letting a bunch of third grade dropouts like DeMint and McConnell push them around.

Posted by: caothien9 | January 3, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I've got a life to live. Quit jerking around my emotions. Either govern well or get out.

Posted by: treetopflyer | January 4, 2011 1:13 AM | Report abuse


Companies will be barred from instituting caps on coverage when your costs for treatments goes up due to sickness, you can now get insurance with out caps on coverage at "Wise Health Insurance" search them online.

Posted by: tracystewart03 | January 4, 2011 1:13 AM | Report abuse

My dad told me about "Clearance Auto Insurance" or something which helped him to find a lower priced Auto insurance (with ALMOST similar coverage) he is recommending this to me. What do you think of them? BTW you can find more about them online.

Posted by: luzworley | January 4, 2011 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Now that they have to do more than witlessly shriek "NO" at everything, they're going to get their clocks cleaned. The GOP is filled with barely sane morons, they elect people who are fairly dimwitted too. The problem with a japing circus of lies is that it's easy to do from the shelter of the rabble, quite another to stand up and have your idiocy handed back to you.

Posted by: Nymous | January 4, 2011 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Democrats in the house no longer have seats to protect - that's the 'Publicans worry now. So the Dems are free to let fly, and bust those heartless b____rds in their fat mouths. And the 'Publicans are cruising for a bruising. Get the popcorn.

Posted by: mypitts2 | January 4, 2011 2:56 AM | Report abuse

It's about time that Democrats stood up to the Republicans and fought tooth-and-nail to protect Obamacare.The Republicans are the blood-sucking spawn of pure evil. Which party would want to take away a sick person's right to get medical care? Republicans. Which party would like to take away your right to keep your children on your medical insurance until they're 26? The Republicans. Which party wants you to be denied medical coverage after your benefits reach a certain dollar point ? The Republicans. If the Republicans insist on repealing Obamacare then they will be KILLED in the 2012 election and Barack will simply veto the bill.. Even now they can't come up with a single Republican who is more popular than Barack Obama.Wake up Republicans Obamacare is now as firmly entrenced as Social Security. Mark Montgomery NYC, NY boboberg@nyc.rr.com

Posted by: boboberg | January 4, 2011 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Weiner allowed that "Democrats are divided on how tough to make their response." This is what gets me mad about Democrats,they worry too much about what the press says about them and less about the what the people of the United States think about them. They are right on the health care issue but yet they went in their usual fetal position as the writer suggests and got their clocks cleaned. They need to get a spine.

Posted by: clarendon67 | January 4, 2011 7:41 AM | Report abuse

The Repukes remind me of Pakistan. Everything good that happens there is due to good Pakistanis, and everything bad is a result of an outside conspiracy to destroy all the good work that has been done. I am sure that if the stock market goes up today, that it will be because of Darell Issa, and if it goes down, it will be because of Anthony Weiner.

Posted by: daweeni | January 4, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Dems play rough?

They don't know how.

They're outspent and out-bullied.

Posted by: areyousaying | January 4, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

The Steam has run out of it from The New Health Care Bill because of the economy its looking more an more ridiculous because to spend more money that America does not have to support this bill that people don't want! Obama an Pelosi get it through you big thick heads its over! You lost!

Posted by: JWTX | January 4, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The Steam has run out of it from The New Health Care Bill because of the economy its looking more an more ridiculous because to spend more money that America does not have to support this bill that people don't want! Obama an Pelosi get it through you big thick heads its over! You lost!

Posted by: JWTX | January 4, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

America is cynical an Outraged at Obama an Pelosi, they lost their grip on Reality along time ago. The Reality is the will of the Majority of US Citizens not the Gov't. Government is not supposed to make hidden laws against Americans without there knowledge. They forgot there Assigned roles an the Declorations of Independace, an Constantutional law! They are making new laws as they please to suite only them an not the USA! The Foundation was laid to protect the Gov't an US Citizens from doing something stupid but they failed miserable! The Government does not follow the law they are not protecting the people! We all learned this as children stay within the lines of the law your safe HUM!

Posted by: JWTX | January 4, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

That Obamacare bill was a wicked power grab. Imagine the government telling you what kind of insurance you have to have. Suppose I want to buy very minimal, catastrophic-only insurance, and pay the routine stuff out-of-pocket. Obamacare makes this impossible. Talk about corrupt!

Posted by: fraudbust2011

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Blatant lie; high deductible catastrophic insurance is not prohibited by the health Care Bill.

Posted by: theobserver4 | January 4, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

This morning I had a colon cancer screening at my local hospital. Because of the Affordable Health Care Bill, I will pay no deductible and no co-pay. The screening is free. If it were not for this bill, I would not have been screened. Don't the Republicans realize that preventive care reduces the over all cost of health care? It is sensible and practical to encourage preventive care. They better not take it away!!!

Posted by: eflag25 | January 4, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

GONGRESS GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS ITS ILLEGAL FOR YOU AN THE PRESIDENT TO EXEMPT YOURSELFS FROM THE HEALTH CARE BILL WHAT EVER YOU DO BE EVER SO CAREFUL. WE AMERICANS KNOW THE LAW THAT YOU AN THE PRESIDENT CONTINUE TO BREAK. ITS CONSPIRCY AN TREASON. YOU ALL ARE ON THE BRINK OF EXSTINCTION!

Posted by: JWTX | January 4, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

GONGRESS GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS ITS ILLEGAL FOR YOU AN THE PRESIDENT TO EXEMPT YOURSELFS FROM THE HEALTH CARE BILL WHAT EVER YOU DO BE EVER SO CAREFUL. WE AMERICANS KNOW THE LAW THAT YOU AN THE PRESIDENT CONTINUE TO BREAK. ITS CONSPIRCY AN TREASON. YOU ALL ARE ON THE BRINK OF EXSTINCTION!

Posted by: JWTX | January 4, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Sarge writes in part: "Meanwhile, Rep. Welch is circulating a letter among colleagues vowing to introduce amendments that will preserve..... that preventive care be provided free of charge." Sonny, there isn't anything in ObamaCare that is free. Somebody is going to have pay for this, and it will be the 53% of the US taxpayer base that actually pays taxes and the working public whose employers actually keep their health insurance plans, eschewing punting coverage to the "government".

While preventive care is laudable and indeed critical to keeping future costs down, don't be fooled by some politician's characterization as it somehow being free. What he terms as free is yet another stealth tax on those who pay and not on the vast majority of this politician's base of support.

Posted by: stvcar | January 4, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

eh, the repeal talk is political kabuki theatre, and everybody who knows anything knows it. But its a good idea to improve the dems propaganda chops. The cure for bad speech is more speech.

Posted by: underhill | January 4, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Sonny, there isn't anything in ObamaCare that is free. Somebody is going to have pay for this, and it will be the 53% of the US taxpayer base that actually pays taxes and the working public whose employers actually keep their health insurance plans"

You are paying for the uninsured now, in your health care premiums, unless you are one of those without health insurance who is freeloading on everyone else. The load will be spread more widely and equitably under the health care bill than it is now. For those of you who dislike the health care bill, what would you do to fix the system, given that the current system is widely held to be unsustainable in the long term, with those who have insurance paying extra to cover those who do not, and more and more people losing their insurance every year, as premiums go up and up and up...

Posted by: underhill | January 4, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Then the Dems will keep losing at the polls.They will find themselves fighting against most Americans who believe you don't pass such a huge expansion of government with the one sided, sleazy, sneaky, nuclear option way that they shoved it threw.NO WAY,and let the war begin!!!!!!!

Posted by: votingrevolution1 | January 4, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans want to unsettle this debate, let's unsettle it. Take insurance companies and employers out of the picture and then see what the picture looks like. There is no reason why it has to be as expensive and dysfunctional and profitable for some as it is. We want health care, we want it reasonably affordable, we don't want to have to survive to 65 to get it and pay for our elders while we die of curable diseases and we don't want more paper work and get rich quick schemes that are making other people rich while we are less healthy.

Posted by: SarahBB | January 4, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If Republicans want to unsettle this debate, let's unsettle it. Take insurance companies and employers out of the picture and then see what the picture looks like. There is no reason why it has to be as expensive and dysfunctional and profitable for some as it is. We want health care, we want it reasonably affordable, we don't want to have to survive to 65 to get it and pay for our elders while we die of curable diseases and we don't want more paper work and get rich quick schemes that are making other people rich while we are less healthy.

Posted by: SarahBB | January 4, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Can't anyone get poor JWTX a dictionary and some anti-psychotic medication? The word you keep groping for and missing, JWTX, is and. Oh, and stop watching Beck.

Posted by: stephenlouis | January 4, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Weiner allowed that "Democrats are divided on how tough to make their response." This is what gets me mad about Democrats,they worry too much about what the press says about them and less about the what the people of the United States think about them. They are right on the health care issue but yet they went in their usual fetal position as the writer suggests and got their clocks cleaned. They need to get a spine.

Posted by: clarendon67 | January 4, 2011 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey Idiot boy/girl. You can not buy a spine. You are either born with one or not. Let's have a spine tax and redistribute it to the poor uneducated welfare liberals......LOL.

Posted by: Cobra2 | January 4, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

If the Democrats had done the right thing, after Scott Brown was elected, taken this thing back and done a truly bipartisan bill, they probably would have been re-elected. Now people like Weiner, who were probably leading the pack to shut Republicans out, can suffer.

Posted by: bflat879 | January 4, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The Healthcare bill increases the deficit? Oh give me a break, the Re-thuglicans didn't give a rats rear about the deficit when they wanted tax breaks for the rich and for the rich corporations. The deficit only that matters to them when they want to rip off the middle class once again while their stupid mind dead, critically reason-challenged sheep buy into the fear and lies they spread. Please spare us the fake crap. I hope Weiner and the rest of them play hard ball because curling up in the fetal position didn't help them and in fact hurt them getting re-elected. Give them hell Harry!! and Anthony.

Posted by: jacquie1 | January 4, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Polls show that parts of health reform are very popular."
-Weiner

Yup. The parts where they give you free stuff is very popular.

But the parts where it costs trillions, violates the Constitution, drives up health care costs, encourages frivolous malpractice lawsuits, bankrupts the health insurance industry, and tanks the economy ... not so much.

Posted by: FreedomFan | January 4, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I like how Democrats went from saying this shouldn't be discussed to they can't wait to discuss it. In the liberal world ever situation is heads I win tails you lose. This kind of childish thinking how it will pan out by magic just force it on people is how all you liberals children find yourself in this position in 2011. Hope is not a tsrtegy and you seem to fighting facts with smoke and propaganda which the MSM doesn't seem to be able to pull off anymore.

Posted by: pga301 | January 4, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

As if they even have to use cover. No Democratic candidate has gotten a majority of the votes from white people who voted in an American Presidential election since LBJ. Post racial? Nowhere I know.

Posted by: shrink2
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you've proven the opposite point, which is that appealing to racial prejudice by appealing exclusively to one race won't win elections any more. Obama got a majority of all votes, and so much of the white vote that he could get elected with support from minorities that don't represent a huge portion of the total electorate. That means that a huge portion of the majority did, indeed, get past race.

Posted by: JoeT1 | January 4, 2011 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the last two years, and now, have taught everyone in Washington that the leftists in control of the Democratic Party will employ bitterly partisan, scorched-earth tactics at every turn, until they are stopped. The only question is when the Republicans will start fighting fire with fire.

Posted by: pijacobsen | January 4, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: underhill | January 4, 2011 2:39 PM

"For those of you who dislike the health care bill, what would you do to fix the system, given that the current system is widely held to be unsustainable in the long term,"

Interesting argument for the liberals who pushed the laws that made it illegal for emergency rooms to refuse non-paying patients. The argument seems to be, "you gave us an inch, now you have to give us a mile."

Posted by: pijacobsen | January 4, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Explain to me how the Republicans will justify ripping this law from the mouths of the insurance middle men? Please. It's a coordination game: Democrats get to say the govt ain't so bad; the Republicans get to say govt is evil and all legislators get their payday.

Here's a promise: you won't hear a peep about HCR repeal come February. It'll be all catfood commission all the time.

Posted by: falsedichotomy | January 4, 2011 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Good, Democrats can continue to hang themselves with the failure that is HC reform. All the GOP has to do is say they support eliminating denying coverage for those with preexisting conditions and keeping kids up to 26 on their parents coverage. However they could handle this in 2 ways. Allow these provisions to be allowed in the repeal or state that they will write separate pieces of legislation afterward to this effect. The other 2 issues the Democrats want to play with the GOP should oppose without question.

Posted by: iacoboni04 | January 4, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Democrats, please put Weenie-the-Whiner and Weird Wasserman (girl who sounds like she has marbles in her mouth when she talks), as spokespeople for Democrats. These 2 are as strange as it gets.

Posted by: ohioan | January 4, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Please, there's nothing more Sad and Pathetic, than listening to an Insufferable Progressive Liberal Socialist Marxist Obamacrat, talk about standing fast against the Repeal of their the 2.4 Trillion Dollar- 2,200 page, Obamcare Tax and Control Legislational Nightmare..
Especially when they forced it down the American peoples throats, against the Will of the Majority, of the American People.!!
But don't worry, we, the American People, will completely Repeal Obamacare, Lock, Stock, and Barrel, either Legislatively, through the Supreme Court, or if need be, a Constitutional Convention, to add a Constitutional Amendment, forever Barring the Govt, to force, by fine, and or Jail, an American Citizen or "Legal" Alien Resident Person, from purchasing, any govt. or private product.!!!

Posted by: sonny119 | January 5, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me how often liberals deride the intelligence of their opposition even as they claim to be tolerant of differing viewpoints. How un-liberal. In any case, any kind of objective assessment of the past 100 years of progressive policies shows an unrelenting record of failure. These policies are quite obviously unsustainable and yet true believers will never be dissuaded. How intelligent is ignoring history? Once after a particularly long argument with a liberal friend he finally admitted "OK, you're right. Our policies usually don't work and frequently end up hurting the very people they're designed to help but THEY'RE THE RIGHT THING TO DO." In other words, the end result doesn't matter nearly as much as the need to feel righteous, evolved and superior.

And conservatives are the dumb ones?

Astonishing.

Posted by: fatgraymatt | January 5, 2011 4:35 AM | Report abuse

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