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Posted at 10:27 AM ET, 02/14/2011

Boehner shows off the other kind of post-birtherism

By Adam Serwer

Last week I wrote about Republicans' embrace of post-birtherism: Republican politicians, rather than rejecting birtherism outright, have instead turned to joking about it. This allows them to appease the fringe while shielding themselves from accusations of trafficking in conspiracy theories.

On Meet The Press Sunday, House Speaker John Boehner showed just how afraid the Republican leadership is of crossing birthers. As Paul Waldman points out, Boehner couldn't even bring himself to dismiss the idea:

MR. GREGORY: As the speaker of the House, as a leader, do you not think it's your responsibility to stand up to that kind of ignorance?

SPEAKER BOEHNER: David, it's not my job to tell the American people what to think. Our job in Washington is to listen to the American people. Having said that, the state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That's good enough for me. The president says he's a Christian. I accept him at his word.

Taking the president "at his word" that he's not a secret MOOZLEM is the favored formulation of Obama's political opponents for avoiding a direct question about his faith. In 2008 during the Democratic Primary, Hillary Clinton famously said, "I take him on the basis of what he says." Boehner's statement is the exact same one Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell made last August, that "The president says he's a Christian. I take him at his word." 

These are obvious weasel words meant to stoke suspicion, rather than outright dispel it. The point is to leave open in the mind of the listener the possibility that the president is lying about his faith or citizenship without having to be held responsible for doing so. The easy way to do it is by telling a birther joke, like GOP presidential hopeful Tim Pawlenty did last Friday at CPAC. If you're in a situation like Boehner or McConnell, however, where you have to answer a direct question, you just imply that the president could be lying.

Waldman, by comparison, wondered how Republicans would react if Democratic leaders were on television declaring that they took President George W. Bush "at his word" that the 9/11 attacks were not an inside job. They'd be the source of endless ridicule. Compare former President Bill Clinton's 2007 scolding of a 9/11 truther -- "how dare you!" -- to Boehner and McConnell sniveling that they take the president "at his word" that he's not a Manchurian candidate sent to destroy America from within.

The fact of the GOP's embrace of post-birtherism is less disturbing than its implication, which is that the Republican leadership fears alienating a not-insignificant portion of their base by dismissing birtherism or speculation about the president's religion as outright nonsense. 

By Adam Serwer  | February 14, 2011; 10:27 AM ET
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What a snivelling, cowardly failure to lead! So the GOP is proud of having stupid and paranoid as a significant part of its base?

Posted by: chicago11 | February 14, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Surprised Boehner didn't start crying about it and run from the room blabbering about leaving him alone and stop asking him to man up and be a decent person about it.

I suppose it doesn't matter since the alleged adulterer's life as speaker is about to be cut short.

When Boehner steps down, I wonder who will be the lead? I can imagine them electing one of the "Know Nothing" teahadists that was just elected that don't know their head from their backside.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 14, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

[Adam whined: "he's not a secret MOOZLEM"]

It's no sooper secrut, Adam.

People believe Obama is Muslim because he was a practicing Muslim. This matters because Obama is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion– who (under sharia law) is subject to the most severe penalties. Obama’s apostate status clearly has enormous implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

"Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam"
http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-obama-practiced-islam

In sum: The cited evidence demonstrates that Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates the assertion that Obama for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father.

Therefore, what Quislings consider a media falsehood is in fact confirmed by evidence as truthful and accurate. The fact that so few understand this about Obama is a testimony to the Obamedia puppets disinformation and denial campaigns.

Denying Obama’s Muslim heritage is in itself a falsehood.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 14, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

SPEAKER BOEHNER: David, it's not my job to tell the American people what to think. Our job in Washington is to listen to the American people. Having said that, the state of Hawaii has said that he was born there. That's good enough for me.
...............................

Birthers should be outraged at The Weeping Boehner for making such a declaration.

After all; has he even looked into where Hawaii was born. It sure looks like some sort of furn place, sitting all the way out there, no way near the good ole US of A. How do we know that it was not placed there by those Asians, as some sort of Trojan Horse State?

It sure looks , and acts like some sort of furn land. Real Amurkins don't go around wearing grass skirts and coconut underwear, nor do God Fearing Christian Americans believe in getting Leid all the time.

I think it is time that Hawaii proved that it was not born outside of Amurka. For all we know it might have been born in The Panama Birth Canal Zone, and real Amurkins would never have anything to do with something or someone who emerged from that wicked furn location.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Boehner was so transparent. And hypocritical. He had just weasled his way out of another question about raising the age for Social Security, etc. by saying it was the job of Congress to first go out and educate the people before making any changes - but on this birther issue he said it was NOT the job of Congress to go out and educate the people as to the truth of the matter. We miss Tim Russert - he would never have let Boehner dodge these questions.

Posted by: uofmdgrad | February 14, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Liam- hilarious

Posted by: mobrien83 | February 14, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

KDE is confused again. Evidently with the differences between IS and WAS. For that matter, the difference between a couple of childhood visits to a mosque and being a practicing muslim.

By that standard, attending a friend's wedding makes me a Jew.

L'chaim!

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 14, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

While I agree Boehner could have handled the birther question much more forecefully, on the same show he gave Obama credit for his handling of the Egyptian crisis. Most of the CPAC presumed candidates didn't go down that road which probably means Boehner will be challenged by a tea party type in the near future.

""House Speaker John A. Boehner said Sunday he thought the Obama administration handled "a very difficult situation" in Egypt about as well as possible, undercutting potential Republican presidential candidates who have charged that President Obama botched the U.S. response to a popular revolt against a key ally.

Boehner, the nation's top Republican elected official, told NBC's "Meet the Press" that he thought there was a need for an assessment to determine why the U.S. intelligence community "didn't have a better feel for" the grass-roots movements that felled authoritarian regimes in Tunisia and Egypt in recent weeks. But he treaded lightly, declining to accuse the spy services of failing.

The situation "surprised everyone," he said.""

Posted by: lmsinca | February 14, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Just too funny. The liberals need a superhero or two. They are apparently incapable of preventing the return of the son of the truthers from hurting thier idol.

I find this angst about birthers to be endlessly amusing. I can't wait for Rosie O'Donnell to tell the world to google it. What fun.

And fairlington blade misses an important point. While I also take Obama at his word on this (and franckly very little else) Islam doesn't deal well the whole concept of "was". As I recall a central tenet of this misnamed "religion of peace" is death to apostates. Death to just about everybody else too for that matter.

Mazel Tov BTW.

Another huge problem for the liberals is the fact that the birthers are acting as a pair of calipers for Americans. What they are measuring is Obama's credibility gap. If he cannot convince people that he is a christian who was born in Hawaii, he will struggle to convince skeptical Americans that his brand of arrogant liberalism is the road to nirvannah (or whatever destination it is supposed to take us to)

the bleating and whining is as music to the ears. Long may the Adam Serwers of the world complain about those who criticize Mr Obama. Well, two more years anyway.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 14, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

All, Obama's invocation of Dwight Eisenhower in his budget speech today was no accident:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/obama_claims_mantle_of_eisenho.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 14, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Boehner's doing a great job as Speaker!
He's focused on the big picture.
I agree with Boehner, Americans need to be educated about Social Security before they jump to any conclusions.
Social Security is an old program and like most old programs, it needs to be reformed, updated, upgraded, with the current times, the current global economy, etc... we don't know what it means until everyone is on the same page about the current progam.

Posted by: ohioan | February 14, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

They can't risk offending the paranoid schizophrenic lunatics, they make up the majority of their base!

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | February 14, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

@uofmdgrad

Your 11:10 post pretty well nailed it for me.

And yes Gregory is terribly weak as moderator of MTP. It's too bad Maddow didn't come up through the journalism ranks at NBC instead of the punditry side.
As an "advocate" she'll never be allowed to host the show...but she would certainly do a far better job than Gregory eliciting responses from both sides of the aisle.


"David, it's not my job to tell the American people what to think. Our job in Washington is to listen to the American people."

And so Speaker Boehner...if a significant portion of the American people...say the same % who thinks Obama is Muslim, claimed Hawaii was not a state would you listen to the people or disagree with them?

Let me guess..depends on how many of those denying the fact that Hawaii planned on voting R you pandering lush.

Posted by: rukidding7 | February 14, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

It appears that Boehner is just using wisdom in choosing the time and place for these battles with obama. It's now time for the battle of the budget and not allowing himself and the Republicans (also several Democrats) to be distracted from the deficit. He is really using plain old good sense. Who wants to be in several debates at the same time? ..That is probably what this editor wants, to break the focus on the battle at hand

Posted by: vageorge | February 14, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Republican leadership fears alienating a not-insignificant portion of their base by dismissing birtherism or speculation about the president's religion as outright nonsense."

Well, wack-a-doodles and wingnuts vote, too. If the Democrats wanted to court that demographic as enthusiastically as the Republicans, they would.

That being said, I would respect more politicians, on any side, that stood up against the minor troubles that would ensue if they just said the obvious--that the birtherism stuff is unhelpful nonsense.

That being said, I expect many of them believe (as even some liberals have suggested they do) that Obama is agnostic, and the Christian stuff is mostly because-we-have-to-in-American-politics sort of thing. Thus, they "I take him at his word" makes a certain amount of sense--if you really believe that someone isn't a Christian (or whatever), would it really be smart to come out and say that you unquestionably believed that he was this thing that you actually seriously doubted he was?

Maybe it would be better to say, "Look, Obama is not a Muslim. He's clearly not a Muslim. It's stupid to suggest that he's a Muslim. Drop it."

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 14, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused, what relevance is the Muslim view on Muslims who convert to another religion? I really can't even come up with a possible explanation for why it's relevant.
Republicans just allowed a current Morman to speak at CPAC, yet are obsessed with the possibility that Obama was a Muslim at some point in the past?

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 14, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Yes Kevin,

But that still does not let Hawaii off the hook, for having let itself be taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood. It was a sad day for Hawaii when Don Ho was forced to start singing My Sharia Amour.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

His Magic Underwear provided Mitt with a Religious Invisibility Cloak, when he spoke at CPAC.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

@skippy

"As I recall a central tenet of this misnamed "religion of peace" is death to apostates. Death to just about everybody else too for that matter."

Can't you find another place to prove your bigoted ignorance on a regular basis?

WTF gives you ANY authority to talk about the religion of Islam. Have you actually spent much time studying the Quran?
Apparently not as you bed wetting fear of Muslims continues to drive to ever more hateful ignorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

While the Qur'an states that apostates will be punished by God, Islamic scholarship differs on the earthly punishment for apostasy, ranging from death to NO PUNISHMENT AT ALL.

Yet you recall a central tenet? It's because you hang out with morons and view hate spewing morons on TV.

And aren't you one of those fake Christians skippy? Does the call for stoning for rebellion against one's parents and the call for stoning in the BIBLE mean that a central tenet of Christianity is stoning?

From the book of Deuteronomy

21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. )

21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Posted by: rukidding7 | February 14, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter where Obama was born...
the damage is done.
Democrats are stuck on stupid-- they're the only ones who pay any attention to the birthers. Nobody cares where Obama was born.
If Democrats had any sense at all-- they would've paid more attention to ObamaCare,
and tried to prevent it from being passed!

Posted by: ohioan | February 14, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are stuck on stupid-- they're the only ones who pay any attention to the birthers. Nobody cares where Obama was born.
---------------------------------------
Except that a least one joke was made by a speaker at CPAC (one can only imagine how many similar jokes/comments were made by attendees) and Boehner just talked about it.
But you're right, it's the Dems that are stupid not the people like you who ignore commments like those made by skip, kadaffi, and Republican leaders.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 14, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Bill Mahr is NOT a Republican:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/12/bill-maher-casted-doubts-on-obamas-christian-identity/#

Chris Matthews is NOT a Republican:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/12/27/chris_matthews_why_doesnt_obama_just_release_the_birth_certificate.html

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 14, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse


What a snivelling, cowardly failure to lead! So the GOP is proud of having stupid and paranoid as a significant part of its base?

Posted by: chicago11
===========================================
As with many from Chicago you would defend satan himself if you elected him

Posted by: vageorge | February 14, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I love ObamaCare because it will put and end to the Insurance Industry Death Panels.

ObamaCare will cover millions of people with pre-existing conditions, instead of forcing them to lose their live savings and homes, like The Republicans still want to do.

Obama Cares, and The Republicans Don't . They want to go back to NoCare,

So Hurrah for ObamaCare.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington Such an asinine statement of total ignorance. Maybe stupidity as it can not be cured ...ignorance can

Posted by: vageorge | February 14, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Nobody cares where Obama was born"

Is this similar to nobody cares whether he is a Muslim?

Just curious since close to half of a focus poll of Iowa R's believe not only that Obama is a Muslim but that it effects his F.P. decisions.

And yes ignorance of that MAGNITUDE does need to be challenged by all "responsible" leaders. Of course that could exempt Boehner...perhaps he is irresponsible...or maybe a leader in title only.

Posted by: rukidding7 | February 14, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I find it somewhat amusing that the Right Wingers who are the most paranoid about the dangers of Theocracies taking hold across the middle east, are the very same people who insist that any President Of The United States must prove that he is a real Christian.

Irony is dead.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what's more shocking, that the sitting Speaker of the House refuses to dismiss as outright lies the claim that Our President is secretly muslim, or the fact that a news reporter who claims to be "impartial" won't call him on it.

Some people think John Boehner is secretly black. But you know, I take him at his word that he's white.

Posted by: theorajones1 | February 14, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The Constitution prohibits any "religious test" for President, but citizens are free to vote on whether he is lying about being Muslim.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 14, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

[FairlingtonBlade drooled: "KDE is confused again. Evidently with the differences between IS and WAS."]

Your confusion arises from your abysmal reading comprehension skills.

Obama WAS (then) a practicing Muslim. Obama IS (now) what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate).

Try harder to read for comprehension.

The cited EVIDENCE stands.

Grade: F- (miserable failure)

/dismissed

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 14, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

It's worth noting that on Friday's Real Time with Bill Maher (February 11, 2011) Bill Maher stated that he didn't believe that Barack Obama was a Christian either. His opinion was that Obama was either an atheist or agnostic and that his professed religion was for expediency for his political career.

"I think he's a centrist the way he's a Christian. Not really." - Bill Maher

http://www.hbo.com/#/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/202-episode/index.html

Posted by: jnc4p | February 14, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Clip from the Daily Beast:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/bill-maher-doubts-obama-is-a-christian-on-real-time

Posted by: jnc4p | February 14, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

jnc4p, "expediency" = LYING. What else is Obama lying about?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 14, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Well that settles it, because we know that Birthers always treat everything that Bill Maher speculates on as Gospel.

Pretty soon they will be treating Bill Maher as The Returned Messiah!

I find it somewhat amusing that the Right Wingers who are the most paranoid about the dangers of Theocracies taking hold across the middle east, are the very same people who insist that any President Of The United States must prove that he is a real Christian.


Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

No, Liam-still, it's just a bit hypocritical to trash Boehner for taking Obama at his word when Maher doesn't.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 14, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "I find it somewhat amusing that the Right Wingers who are the most paranoid about the dangers of Theocracies taking hold across the middle east, are the very same people who insist that any President Of The United States must prove that he is a real Christian."

I have no problem with a religious democracy in principal (although if the religious law involves human rights abuses, I would say that should stop). That include Muslim democracies, as long folks really get to vote, and their vote really counts (as much as any vote does anywhere in the 1st world, anyway).

I also don't have a litmus test for our president to be a particular religion, although I'm pre-disposed to support someone who shares my Judeo-Christian belief system, I suppose.

I don't think the president needs to prove he is a Real Christian™. But, that may just be me.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 14, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The Radical American Right Demand:

Secular Rule Through Out The Muslim World,

While Demanding The Exact Opposite For America.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes indeed. Most people in every land, tend to want their leaders to believe in the same ancient superstitions, folk tales, and mythology, handed down to them from lice infested ignoramuses, as they themselves buy into.

It is all: "the word of God", because some ancient illiterates, who thought that they lived on a flat earth, claim that God spoke directly to them, and even wrote stuff on slabs of rock, and such. Yes indeed. The creator of their Universe, could not even come up with an iPad, on which to hand down his eternal commands, and of course those slabs of stone were also not preserved.

I think if some creator of the Universe handed me two slabs of stone, with his eternal commandments written on them, I would have made sure that they would be preserved for ever.

Well of course I would have taken those steps, right after I stopped cursing out God, for not having written his commands on something more portable an durable.

If he ever were to hand such slabs of stone to me, I would say to him, what the hell God? You know I have a tricky back, and by the way, since you created all the stars, why the hell do you need me to purchase and light candles for you?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

@skip - The whole "I take you at your word" is qualifying weasel words.

He's a socialist! At whose direction the government sold the stocks purchased by the previous administration as quickly as possible. He's a muslim! Who was pilloried throughout the campaign for attending a Christian church. He was born in Kenya! Say the folks who take the word of a distant relative over the serving Republican governor of the state where he was born.

As for KDE, I'll leave him to wander in the fog of perpetual confusion.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 14, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

[FairlingtonBlade wanders: "in the fog of perpetual confusion."]

I accept your inability to refute the cited EVIDENCE as admission of your intellectual bankruptcy.

"Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam"
http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-obama-practiced-islam

/checkmate

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 14, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Best comment of the day from Capehart's blog:

Do I believe that John Boehner isn't a child molester? If he denies that he is, I suppose that I will take him at his word until more substantial evidence comes to light.

Posted by: VirileneManly | February 14, 2011 6:28 AM | Report abuse

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BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 14, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Yes indeed. Most people in every land, tend to want their leaders to believe in the same ancient superstitions, folk tales, and mythology, handed down to them from lice infested ignoramuses, as they themselves buy into."

I have a feeling I'm being insulted. I'll have you know that while my opinion of myself as a non-ignoramus is, indeed, a matter of opinion, I am, without question, not now nor have I ever been, lice-infested.

"The creator of their Universe, could not even come up with an iPad, on which to hand down his eternal commands"

Well, that would have left things a little less ambiguous, wouldn't it have? Which is why, though I do indeed believe in God, I'm dubious about the supernatural. Not dismissing it outright, just saying I'm dubious.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 14, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Adam Serwer is, of course, a hack. He thinks we should believe everything that politicians say without question. He has no idea what (real) skepticism is.

There are questions about 9/11, as even members of the official commission admit. It's false to say that we know that the gov't wasn't involved or didn't know, because that hasn't been looked into. At the same time, it's false to say that we know that the gov't was involved or did know, because that hasn't been looked into.

It's highly unlikely that the gov't was involved or knew, but since it hasn't been thoroughly investigated we don't know that for a fact.

Likewise with the "birther" issue. While it's highly likely that O was born in HI, it still hasn't been definitively proven. All the forms of evidence presented so far are full of holes.

In case there are any smart "AntiBirthers" (I have yet to find one, but you never know), take my smarts/integrity test:

http://24ahead.com/n/10211

After *five months* and thousands of views, only one (1) Obama fan has come close to getting that right.

Call names all you want, but the fact remains that only one (1) Obama fan was smart enough to come close to passing that test.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | February 14, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Kevin,

Focus on the existence or non existence of "the immortal human soul". If there is no such thing, then it does not matter if there is some divinity out there or not.

So far, I have not seen any concrete scientific evidence, that would convince me that such a thing as an immortal soul exists, within a temporary host flesh and blood body. If it does exist, it sure appears to get Alzheimers, at the same rate that it's host body does, and can be dispatched to it's immortal future, by a bullet to the heart, or, on the other hand, can be held trapped in a comatose body by a feeding tube, and breathing apparatus.

Each of which would appear to be able to stymie "the will of God". I am surprised that he tolerates such meddling in his right to determine who should live and who should die, and when he wants to "call them home".

The lice infested ignoramuses was referring to those ancient people who first started spreading their Myths, as "The Word Of God". He forgot to fill them in on the fact that they were living on a planet that was spinning around the sun, just as a certain Messiah also forgot to inform his disciples that there were other continents, with humans living on them, that also needed to be saved. Had Columbus not stumbled across the place, Fifteen Hundred years later, they would never have being saved.

Come on lad; start applying some critical thinking to those ancient fairly tales, that are being passed off as "Divine Truths."

Posted by: Liam-still | February 14, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Adam Serwar is [insult]

Skip the rest, folks.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 14, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

First and foremost RUK, if my posting here annoys you, then I'm staying. It is just that simple. Too bad you can't handle anything that falls outside your closed minded, dogma driven mentality. Too bad for you.

What do I know of Islam? I know this: like every other religion Islam is as Islam does. And Islam kills. Massively and with regularity.

Stories of depravity done in the name of Allah are commonplace now. That is one of the salubrious benefits of the war against Muslim terror: we've gotten an up close and personal look at a deeply dysfunctional culture.

Unlike multiculti types, my respect is earned not given. I see absolutely no reason to respect a culture that enslaves its women, teaches its children to murder, honors death rather than life and produces virtually nothing of value to the rest of the world.

Islam is as Islam does. You can console yourself with sophistry about clerical arguments and the words of the Koran. I'll take the word of folks like Bin Laden, Zawahiri, Nasrallah and Kahmeni. They believe that apostates should be killed. And apostates are, routinely. What do you think the Muslims used as a cover for the factional war they triggered in Iraq? What was good old Zark thinking when he had the Shia shrine bombed?

Oh and aren't the Muslims doing just such a wonderful job of respecting other faiths? Shall I refresh your memory about the number of coptic christians killed in Egypt over the christmas holiday? Hmmmm?

This isn't bigotry, its fact. You are just using the same trite, tired "racist" formula. It won't work.

And when was the last time anyone in a civilized Christian country stoned anyone to death based on the bible passage you quoted?

As I said, Islam is as Islam does.

Oh, one more story: this is from the UK mail:
"Four Islamic clerics were arrested this week for ordering Mosammet Hena, 14, to receive 100 lashes in a fatwa or religious edict at a village in the south-western Shariatpur district.
It has now been reported that the teenage girl was raped by her married cousin and then accused of having an affair with him.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353234/Bangladesh-girl-14-whipped-dead-affair-married-man-rape-cousin.html#ixzz1Dy3ElqCS"
14 year old, beaten to death by order of muslim clerics.

the religion of peace? Really?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 14, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have a problem with the birthers. The birthers are like a crazy mistress. Republicans want to continue to get the birthers' favors (votes).
But they don't want to get in trouble with their wives (that would be sane voters) so they send coy little winks to the crazy birthers, hoping that will placate them and they'll continue to throw a little tail the Republicans' way.
But the crazy mistress won't be satisfied with winks and midnight trysts. She wants a Valentine's Day dinner right in the middle of the most popular restaurant in town. She wants to be acknowledged, even loved.
Of course, openly agreeing with the birthers would be insane. But sane behavior is grounds for excommunication from nutty rightwing land. Just ask Orrin Hatch, or Olympia Snowe, or Kay Bailey Hutchison, or Lindsay Graham, or Charlie Crist.
The mental dysfunction of the Republican Party would be funny, if it weren't for the fact that they control the House of Representatives.

Posted by: katahdin1 | February 14, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

KDE is a perpetual confusion machine. I wonder if he bothers to read his links. If attending a muslim school for a few years makes Obama a muslim, I suppose that makes every kid who went to a Catholic school a practicing RC. NOT.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | February 14, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama's actions don't make him a Muslim-- they makes him a 'murtadd' (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion, who (under sharia law) is subject to the most severe penalties. Obama’s apostate status clearly has enormous implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

FairlingtonBlade delusions (like mainstream medie denials campaigns) argue (non-persuasively) against Professor Pipe's cited evidence.

Don't be a delusional apologist for Obama's Muslim heritage your whole life.

/dismissed

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 15, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The whole birther thing was brought up in a lawsuit brought by Democrats that wanted Hillary! It was pushed aside by the judge who decided that they didn't have "standing" to question whether Obama was a citizen. No lawsuit has ever been allowed to enter discovery because then Obama would have to produce evidence. Think about it, you're running for President. Some "lunatic" sues you to produce your birth certificate. You can spend $25 and get a certified copy from Hawaii. Instead, you hire a team of lawyers! Who thinks like this?

Forget the birther issue. He is a child living in Indonesia. It is decided that he is going back to Hawaii to live with the grandparents. He doesn't have a US Passport (at the time, children traveled on their Mother's passport). He flies to Hawaii but his Mother and Stepfather stay in Indonesia. How did he get back? What passport did he travel on?

Forget that passport (he was a kid after all). He had international travel as an adult yet has never had a US passport. How did that happen?

He goes to college. What is his nationality on his applications? Why are his records sealed.

He is an Associated Professor of Constitutional Law in Chicago (not that he seems to know a whole lot about the Constitution). Nobody can be found that has ever taken a class by him, there are no records of him ever having taught there (we had the same problem with this in Alabama and people went to jail).

*sniff test fail*

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 15, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

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