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Posted at 11:36 AM ET, 02/18/2011

Cops now pursuing missing Wisconsin Dems, senator alleges

By Greg Sargent

Wisconsin state police have visited the home of at least one of the missing Wisconsin state senators in an apparent effort to force him to return to the capitol to vote on the proposal to roll back public employees' bargaining rights, a Democratic senator alleged to me in an interview.

State Senator Chris Larson, one of the Democrats who is remaining in Illinois to stall the vote on Governor Scott Walker's measure, tells me that another Dem Senator -- who he declined to name -- returned home late yesterday to try to get some sleep. That Senator's staff reported to Larson that police visited his home, but that the Senator had managed to slip away before cops could apprehend him.

"Police were sent over to his house, but he was able to get out of there," Larson told me.

Larson said that Republican leaders in the State Senate -- who couldn't immediately be reached for comment -- would be the ones to ask the State Police to make such a visit. He said he had also received unconfirmed reports from other Democrats that police were visiting other homes, too.

Most of the Senators remain in Illinios, Larson added, meaning they may be out of reach of cops. But if Republicans have now unleashed an effort to get the cops to haul these Dems back to the capitol, it will only up the tension and urgency of this standoff.

More when I learn it.

By Greg Sargent  | February 18, 2011; 11:36 AM ET
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Comments

Daisy Duke: You know what's gonna happen. They're gonna get caught and get thrown in jail. Then I'm gonna have to shake my ass at somebody to get them out.

Uncle Jesse: That's why we love ya, honey.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Boss Hogg: I want that road blocked tighter than a tick's ass!

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Breaker One, Breaker One, might be crazy but I ain't dumb, crazy Cooter coming at ya, anyone home on the Wausau Net?

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Now, how would the cops know about his presence? Comrade?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 18, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

If cops were out trying to arrest GWB for war crimes, what would you liberals being saying about efforts to cross state lines and hide?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 18, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Comrade claw-

Turned in any of your fellow citizens yet?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 18, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Crimes against humanity are illegal in all 57 states.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Did they send a SWAT team? bust down the door with a no-knock warrant and lob in a couple of flash bangs. no? Must be nice to be an elected official.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 18, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"Worker's Jobs > Corporate Tax Breaks"

Why has no one asked Gov. Walker to simply roll back the tax code to what it was when he took office a couple months ago? Doing so would not only solve the budget "crisis" they are facing, but actually give the state budget a surplus.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | February 18, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody picked up on this?

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0-5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html

It's an op-ed, but it details how Walker created $141 million in new spending in his first month in office, and that the budget "crisis" is pretty much of his own doing.

Posted by: dkp01 | February 18, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, these Democratics Senators are more guilty than GWB.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 18, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

""Did they send a SWAT team? bust down the door with a no-knock warrant and lob in a couple of flash bangs. no? Must be nice to be an elected official.""

Any other jobs besides the military where you can be arrested for not showing up to work?

Posted by: lmsinca | February 18, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

A day late on this story Greg. As I correctly, reported on your thread YESTERDAY, this was happening...

Posted by: illogicbuster | February 18, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"It's an op-ed, but it details how Walker created $141 million in new spending in his first month in office, and that the budget "crisis" is pretty much of his own doing."

Why didn't the Dems run away then?

"But Gov. Scott Walker is not making tough choices. He is making political choices, and they are designed not to balance budgets but to improve his political position and that of his party."

Paging Capt. Renault.

"Any other jobs besides the military where you can be arrested for not showing up to work?" Yes. U.S Senator.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/25/us/a-senator-is-captured-but-not-his-mind.html

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 18, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

shorter claw:

But but, if something that didn't even happen...that justifies arresting the legislature to crush labor's bargaining rights.

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I sure voters are waking up and realizing the results of them sitting on their hands in protest because every bit of legislation didn't go their way.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Why didn't the Dems run away then? "

Because they didn't think the Gov was going to take away their bargaining rights.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand how they can do this. Don't the police have to arrest you with probable cause before they can physically force you to go anywhere? What if the state senator just says, "No, I'm not going." Do the police have the right to physically force him? On what legal grounds?

Posted by: Virginia7 | February 18, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to the reckoning. Elections have consequences.

Your revolution is over, SEIU. Condolences.

The bums lost. My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir.

The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? The bums will always lose!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFaaDmpieI&feature=related

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 18, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington won't simply answer the question because he knows he would be apoplectic (sp?), certainly not supportive, if GWB were hiding from arrest.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 18, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"Your revolution is over"

It's just starting you mindless turd.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking (It's a new experience for me, I beg your forebarence) it would be good optics for the Democratic Senators if one of them was captured and forced against their will, to the chamber. Seriously, I think it would make the Republicans look more tyrannical.

And to the Wisconsin public employees, a statewide sympathy strike would be good about now. Do not let the tyranny of your employer stop you from achieving your goals.

Thanks everyone!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 18, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"It's an op-ed, but it details how Walker created $141 million in new spending in his first month in office, and that the budget "crisis" is pretty much of his own doing."

YES!

I have picked up on that for sure.

The WI Republicans have been using "central planning" to redistribute the wealth of the state of Wisconsin.

They are redistributing wealth of the state FROM the Middle Class to the wealthy corporate elite. The HAVES and the HAVE MORES. Also known as the GOP base.

But despite the fact that they are using central planning to redistribute the wealth, they are called Heroes by those hypocrites of the Right Wing.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 18, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

OT ME update..."Tom Porteous, the UK director of Human Rights Watch, tells the BBC their researcher at the hospital in Manama reports that the military was involved in today's violence and used live ammunition. "That's a very serious development and we are calling on the US and UK to immediately suspend all military aid to Bahrain," he says."

Sorry Tom, Egypt, sure they have no oil, but Bahrain? The US and the UK consider The King, Shaikh Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa a "trusted ally". And after all, the recent opening of some aspects of local politics only led to Islamist parties launching campaigns to impose bans on female mannequins displaying lingerie in shop windows and hanging underwear on outdoor drying lines.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Virginia7, I don't know the specific charge but State Senate Rule 89 was posted yesterday which allows the Sargent (pun intended) at arms to physically force attendance.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 18, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"Why didn't the Dems run away then?

Posted by: NoVAHockey"

===============

Better question: why is a supposed fiscal conservative, who gave $140 million in tax dollars to his buddies while creating no jobs in the process, now trying to force regular taxpayers to bail him out for his poor decision-making?

Posted by: dkp01 | February 18, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Clap them in chains and drag them back to the state house.

Posted by: illogicbuster | February 18, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Do police and fire have collective bargaining rights in WI? If so, why were they excluded. (Sorry if I missed this explanation...)

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 18, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"mikefromArlington won't simply answer the question"

A questions about something that is never going to happen.

What if some partisan Federal Judge invalidated Obama's Presidency because of this birth certificate joke and Obama went into hiding, what would you be saying? Cheering on the arrest no doubt.

But, as this has nothing to do with what's going on in WI, so does your hypothetical. My reaction to your hypothetical neither validates nor invalidates the WI Democratic State Senators and the Governors actions.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"If so, why were they excluded."

They are not teachers.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Once again, its very interesting to study the word usage of the Right wing: "clap them in chains", "Drag", etc. and who can forget some of yesterday's Greatest Hits:
"Scumbags", "pathetic leeches"...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 18, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

this is a pretty typical liberal response:
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Why has no one asked Gov. Walker to simply roll back the tax code to what it was when he took office a couple months ago? Doing so would not only solve the budget "crisis" they are facing, but actually give the state budget a surplus.

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madness indeed. It is madness to demand more and more from the taxpayers so that overpaid, ineffectual goverment employees can enjoy a life style beyond the reach of the rest of us.

in August, 2010 it was reported that the Millwaukee Teachers union was planning to sue the district because the district refused to include viagara as a covered benefit.

so the bbqchickenofstupidity demands more money from the hard working people of wisconsin so that over paid teachers can get viagara for free.

Here's a link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/06/health/main6748776.shtml

Greedy and disgusting. And the marxists here just continue to demand more and more from the taxpayers. Are you guys stupid or malicious or some combonation of the two?

Once again, the immortal and immoral words of Albert Shanker:
When school children start paying union dues, that 's when I'll
start representing the interests of school children

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 18, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

@shrink-

True, and who would be left to "drag" the Senators back "clapped in chains"?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 18, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The teachers should use their 2nd amendment remedies against tyranny, right conservatives?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

@ Comrade skip-

"When school children start paying union dues, that 's when I'll
start representing the interests of school children."

So, you really are for rolling back Child Labor Laws?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 18, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"It is madness to demand more and more from the taxpayers so that overpaid, ineffectual goverment employees can enjoy a life style beyond the reach of the rest of us."

lmao

Beyond the reach of the rest of us?

hahaha

You dork.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

then there is this:
========================
"Your revolution is over"

It's just starting you mindless turd.

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Nice Mike. Very nice. Are you ready for the firing to start Mike? is that what you are suggesting? A revolution that enslaves the people so that welfare recipients and government employees can lord it over us?

is that your vision of the future Mike? How hard are you willing to fight for that vision Mike?

Just asking is all (you mindless turd).

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 18, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Foamy skippy is back.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 18, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Clap them in chains and drag them back to the state house."

We should have done that with Republicans Senators that blocked hundreds of judges and prevented even simple debate on bills. And after we dragged em into the halls of congress, brought them out back and made them clap all the chalk board erasers on the walls till all the chalk was out.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"partisan Federal Judge"

Well that's silly. In America, that could never happen, judges are non-partisan, you know, the blindfold and all that.

Why when Roger Taney wrote the Dred Scott decision, he approached the case on its merits, pure as the wind driven snow, nothing to do with the way he got to the job of Chief Justice. He ruled African slaves and their descendants whether or not they were slaves, were not protected by the Constitution and could never be U.S. citizens, even though the Constitution, obviously, says nothing in this regard. Anyway, even if some judicial activism was involved in that case, that was a long time ago...

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I..Did I miss something? I feel like I miss something. What, exactly, is going on here? Why on earth are senators running from police? Literally, I have no idea whats going on, this is all quite weird.

Posted by: waterdeepchu | February 18, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The mess is spreading, as we knew it would...the Arab world won't be the same anymore. Who knows what it will become...we can only hope.

"Kuwait - Dozens of protesters are said to have been arrested in a big demonstration by stateless people demanding citizenship." Reuters

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and your my first target skip. I'm going to proverbially take you out, in a Sarah Palin kind of way!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Yup. I'm back. And I'm angry. so are millions of other tax payers. Better get used to it my children.

For decades you marxists assumed that emotion was a tool only you could use. Well that is no longer the case. The taxpayers of America are angry, and rightly so.

Chuck and sue are perfect examples of why. They can't defend the behavior of the teachers, so they engage in name calling instead. Just like the union thugs in WI. The thugs can't defend the compensation packages so they seek to change the subject.

The unions are crowing about a loss of bargaining rights. And to what purpose do they put those rights? $786,000 a year for drugs that have nothing to do with illness and everything to do with ED. And the BBQchickenofthievery sees a simple solution: confiscate more money from the taxpayers.

You guys are losing this argument, and rightly so. Calling me names won't change the facts. And the facts are going viral. In short order everyone in America will know about the ED drug story. That will be just great for you guys, no?

Oh, and to those who are crowing about some mythical $142 million that you allege the governor gave away, I suggest you provide a link to a legitimate story, instead of obscure blogs and union web sites. If you can't do that withdraw the allegation and shut up.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 18, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Why on earth are senators running from police? "

Actually, what happened is the Senators left the state then the Gov called the cops on their families to probably harass them ala Mubarak style.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The semiotics here are degenerating. Might be time for a new thread.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.channel3000.com/news/26908918/detail.html

This might be a problem for Mr. Walker.
just sayen!

Posted by: rjlahart | February 18, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Spreading...

"Djibouti - police fired tear gas and clashed with thousands of youths calling for the president to step down." AFP

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Big words from an anonymous marxist on a blog comment thread. "proverbially take me out"? Just too funny? What are you going to do, snivel in my general direction?

BFD boy.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 18, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Name calling? Well, if the shoe fits, Comrade...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 18, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey skip, relax. The reason why there are massive deficits across the U.S. is because this country is still recovering from the biggest recession in about 80+ years.

If the recession didn't happen, these budgets wouldn't be out of control and Club for Growth, the CoC and Koch wouldn't be using this opportunity to attack labor.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

@mike-

Wish I could believe that. I'm sure you know the attack on labor has been going on since, hell, they first got organized...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 18, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

boy? Ohh.. Internet tough guy!

And skip, we're talking about teachers, not thugs.

Maybe you went to some crazy hick town school where the teachers were really thugs but the only thuggery I encountered was when I got caught cheating on a spelling test and had to go sit in the corner.

Does minimizing them into thug caricatures make it easier for you to throw the hate around?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Here's a sample of what will happen to these lazy bums if they are found and resist doing their jobs.

http://fb.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhlFtE5km2DWkRg9n9

Posted by: illogicbuster | February 18, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

skip, you and Kaddafi need to turn off the right wing radio and relax with the family or something.

Not everyone is the caricature they make them out to be. These people are your neighbors, friends, colleagues and relatives.

Just every day people trying to make a living like the rest of us that don't want their rights taken away from them.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"""Do police and fire have collective bargaining rights in WI? If so, why were they excluded. (Sorry if I missed this explanation...)"""

YES. They do and they were exempted by the Governor.

Why? They supported his political campaign, that's why. Has nothing to do with their role in society. Prison security guards work in a similar trade, but they were NOT exempt.

The Governor has rewarded his political patrons every step of the way. Tax breaks went to industries that supported his candidacy and now that he has created this phony "deficit" in his state, he is extracting pounds of flesh from the Middle Class public unions who OPPOSED him politically.

Then, when Democratic politicians delay the vote because they were not given a seat at the negotiating table, the Republicans hypocritically cry that the Democrats are "bullies." After trying to ram an elimination of collective bargaining rights down the throats of all Wisconsinites without letting them have a say in any of this, they have some nerve to call anyone a bully.

It is truly an abuse of power and another example of hypocrisy and snotty, whining behavior from the hysterical Right Wing Tea Party Republicans.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 18, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, these Democratics Senators are more guilty than GWB.

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Ahhh... so it's the level of guilt that is relevant? If you are only partially/kind of guilty then man hunts are excessive?

Beside, War Crime charges wouldn't create and interstate jurisdictional issue.

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skip- "overpaid, ineffectual goverment employees "
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I'll let my mom and brother know you said "hi."

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 18, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Here ya go, skippy, you jacka$$, the facts right from the WI Fiscal Bureau:
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In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state's budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January.

* $25 million for an economic development fund for job creation, which still holds $73 million because of anemic job growth.

* $48 million for private health savings accounts -- a perennial Republican favorite.

* $67 million for a tax incentive plan that benefits employers, but at levels too low to spur hiring.

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 18, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"we're talking about teachers, not thugs"

That was my joke yesterday about the latex mask coming off my kid's wonderful old lady first grade teacher, 30 years of cheerful dedication to inspiring little kids...when suddenly a neckless Teamster stereotype of yesteryear appears, bloodstained baseball bat at the ready, screaming "Scab!" as he advances on the poor folks just yearning for the "right to work".

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

It's so ridiculous shrink2. When on earth did teachers turn into thugs.

I'm not even sure some of these people read what they type before they hit enter. If they would take a breath occasionally and read what they're typing, no doubt they'd do a couple edits of the absurdity and then hit enter.

I just think it makes it easier when they dehumanize people and turn them into caricatures is all.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"And skip, we're talking about teachers, not thugs."

Same thing to him.

Oh please, stop making me learn! I'm oh-so-comfy with my 19th century technology and life under the thumb of corporate excess. No Change No Change No Change! I want to be free to let my dead horse rot in the streets surrounded by clouds of little black biting angels that you Marxists call flies. They bring the love. I pray to the God of Deregulation every day. And quit forcing all that learnin' on me!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 18, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Skippy apparently suffers from Fox Geezer Syndrome.

http://www.frumforum.com/fox-geezer-syndrome

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 18, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Not quite inspirational, must be more rope a dope genius...

"I am deeply concerned by reports of violence in Bahrain, Libya and Yemen. The United States condemns the use of violence against peaceful protesters in those countries, and wherever else it may occur." The statement was read out on his presidential jet, Air Force One, while Mr Obama was flying from California to Oregon."

To Oregon, where he will talk about cutting corporate taxes and government spending while improving education for the high tech workforce Intel needs. A great education, paid for by...mom and dad I guess. So long people who can't afford it, don't have kids next time.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"I just think it makes it easier when they dehumanize people and turn them into caricatures is all."

I'll keep that in mind next time "Koch-sucker" is bandied about

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 18, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The Wingers Prayer:

Dear Lord,

Please deregulate all business so the free market can reign free and unsupervised, for you, my Lord, will reward the strong and the weak will just have to work a little harder. Please crush all union workers, regardless of occupation so that more tax breaks can be given to my corporate family and friends whom may or may not trickle down the prosperity. Please allow for less regulation that shift more jobs to China, because as you know Lord, undercutting my neighbors business is what the good Lord intended. Please Lord, abolish the EPA because you Lord, know full well, that if we are intended to eat healthy food, you will provide that to me and my family.

Amen

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

OT again, if you are not interested in these tidbits, I'll quit posting them, but it seems important, so unless I hear otherwise, it only takes a few seconds, I type really fast...anyway, unlike Egypt...

"There is a particular bitterness towards the Bahraini security forces, which recruits amongst many nationalities, he says. Many Bahrainis regard them as mercenaries, lacking affinity with the local people."

Well that is no surprise, since they actually are mercenaries.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Baharain is a big problem for the U.S. since 6th Fleet has it's HQ there.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

All, more analysis on why the stakes in Wisconsin are so damn high:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/the_stakes_in_wisconsin_ctd.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 18, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I hesitate to post here because it will get lost amidst the name-calling but:

"A new poll from the Washington-based Clarus Group asked:

"Do you think government employees should be represented by labor unions that bargain for higher pay, benefits and pensions ... or do you think government employees should not be represented by labor unions?

"A full 64% of the respondents said "no."

"That includes 42% of Democrats, and an overwhelming majority of Republicans. Only 49% of Democrats think public workers should be in unions at all.

"That's on the fundamental right to organize, before you get to wages and benefits. And that puts Scott Walker in a pretty good political place.

"... One note: Clarus is a division of the global corporate public relations giant Qorvis, not exactly a labor bastion.)"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0211/Poll_Public_unions_a_hard_sell.html?showall

Posted by: sbj3 | February 18, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

let the sniveling begin.

Unable to defend the compensation packages and the viagara demands of the union thugs in WI the marxists here are walking back from their earlier insults.

Mike called someone a "turd" and now demands that I relax. Sorry pal, too late for that. You wrote it and posted it and didn't apologize for it. Therefore you stand by it. Good for you boy-o. At least I understand the intellectual "depth" you possess.

susie can actually prove her contention about the govenor. Show us a link my dear. The only ones I've seen have to been to union web sites. Is there an AP story? I didn't find one. This is just another attempt to move the discussion away from the rape of the tax payers.

Did you lefties know that there is a debate about this between marxists right on this web site? Myerson, who no doubt admires stalin for his adherence to marxist principles, has been taken on by Lane, who probably supported the sandinistas. Lane has the best of the argument. Here's a great example from Lane:
"The truth of the matter is that "collective bargaining" in the public sector is too often a parody of the real thing. For years, public-employee unions have used their dues money to help elect pliant politicians -- usually Democrats -- who, in turn, award the unions what they want at contract time. The taxpaying public's only role in this costly cycle is to foot the bill. It's not democracy when citizens lose control over the pay and benefits of the people who work for them. It's not progressive when employee compensation takes finite resources away from Medicaid, parks, roads and libraries. And it's not collective bargaining when union representatives sit on both sides of the table.

Like Hosni Mubarak, the public-sector unions counted on citizen passivity to enable their reign. Just as Mubarak went down whining about "stability," a teacher union leader in Wisconsin now accuses Walker of "unraveling more than 50 years of labor peace." But apparently, like the people of Egypt, the voters of Wisconsin are no longer content with peace at any price."

I've been remarking about this closed loop of political campaign contributions for years. Now we're at the tipping point. The closed loop was broken in the last election. Walker is doing exactly what he promised in the campaign

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 18, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes and the problem isn't about poverty and the looting of the economy by cronies of the regime, its deep structure is a Sunni family ruling a Shiite (so, Iran and Hezbollah friendly) majority. Could get ugly and stay that way. US and UK wouldn't like the look of Democracy in the oil states, not gonna happen.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Like Hosni Mubarak, the public-sector unions counted on citizen passivity to enable their reign."

Yeah, they're exactly the same thing.

skip, sorry, but you're a mindless turd too.

You too sbj3, just because you posted.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, how does barry's base react to video of US Navy Shore Patrol turning away, or turning over, bloodied Bharainian protestors?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 18, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Clarus Group"

Who?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Troll, are you suggesting our military get physically involved with foreign nationals in their internal affairs?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 18, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Troll, here is part of the answer...

"Bahraini Crown Prince Sheikh Salman bin Hamad has appealed for calm, saying there can be no divide between Sunnis and Shia."

This is to say, "Everyone knows there is a permanent un-bridgeable divide between Sunni and Shia. We passionately hate each other. So, if you want to fight that fight, fine, we're ready."

Now he didn't say that exactly, it is all in the semiotics.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

skippy: "susie can actually prove her contention about the govenor. Show us a link my dear. The only ones I've seen have to been to union web sites. Is there an AP story? I didn't find one. This is just another attempt to move the discussion away from the rape of the tax payers."

Hey jacka$$, I gave you a link directly to Walker's own government report. Read it.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 18, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Troll, are you suggesting our military get physically involved with foreign nationals in their internal affairs?"

Hi mike!

I'm wondering how the Administration's political base will react to images of bloodied protestors being turned away from sanctuary. The sanctuary in this case, being the US Navy base in Bahrain. That is different, in my opinion, than "... our military get[ting] physically involved with foreign nationals in their internal affairs?" However, your mileage may vary.

Hope you're having a great day!

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 18, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, I apologize, I'm not getting how what you wrote relates to how you think the Administration's political base will react to images of US Navy personnel turning away bloodied Bahrainian protestors?

And I'm spelling bharhain in all the different ways the media spells kaddafi, er, Qadafi, er Khadafy, er, ... ;-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 18, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

“Public employees” in Wisconsin reminded me of Castro and his goons in Cuba. There, the dictatorship sends its loyalists to the homes of those suspected of not being loyalists. They scream, beat on things, denounce, and threaten. The idea is, the “disloyal” Cubans are supposed to quake in their homes, and they do. These tactics are called actos de repudio — “acts of repudiation.” They are a mainstay of the regime.

In Wisconsin, the schoolteachers and other “public employee” beauties are going to the homes of Republican lawmakers, screaming, denouncing, etc.

The situation has gotten very bad. Republican lawmakers have received threats, and credible ones: threats to their physical well-being. They are not disclosing their movements, whether they are sleeping in their own homes. They are working with law enforcement on how best to protect themselves and their families.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/260040/be-republican-lawmaker-madison-jay-nordlinger

This is not democracy. This is thugocracy.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 18, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"This is not democracy. This is thugocracy."

Yeah!

How DARE teachers and public employees PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE?!?!?!

Time to call out the dogs and goons on camel-back with whips and chains!

Now THAT's democracy!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 18, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Man, do I have to dumb everything down?
Troll, those are bloody Shiites: we don't like Shiites.
That is why the Sixth Fleet is there.

Now, why those protesters (erstwhile and surely future Death to America! Arab Street denizens) thought the US Anti-Shiite Battle Armada might take pity on them, who knows. Maybe they watched too much Sky News and forgot the rules of their own game.

When Arabs decide Death to America! is boring and not going anywhere, then maybe someone here, we'll care. But now, we just don't. If you have any further questions, I'll be 'at work' for a few more hours.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

" I'll be 'at work' for a few more hours."

Heh. "Me too."

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 18, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

When our trusted ally Sheikh Salman, who makes Chris Cristie look like a P90X survivor says...

"...there can be no divide between Sunnis and Shia."

he intimated

"So, if you want to fight that fight, fine, we're ready."

And by we, well he wasn't talking about himself or his family, he was talking about...you and me.



Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I just need to know where the hate is. The conservatives bring the hate again. I always vote against hate. Conservatives bring the hate. Then the left brings in the hate against Sarah Palin.
Voting green again with a clear conscience- no, liberals, I really don't care who President Palin puts on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: semicolonpowell | February 18, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

yeah Mike and name calling is all you've got. How so very unimpressive.

Lane got it right, and he's a WaPo lefty. But he wasn't done there. Here's another dose of Lane:
"Meyerson brands me a Scrooge (better than being an East German commie, I guess), but the reason I feel so strongly about this is precisely because the corrupt nexus between public sector unions and Democratic politicians is destroying the progressive values I cherish. The first of these is democracy, which suffers when union political consultants stifle internal party debate and control party nominating processes -- or when bureaucrats and pols team up to seize control of government services from the voting public. The second is equality, which suffers when a privileged class of well-connected insiders use their clout to secure better benefits than everyone else -- at the expense of everyone else. "Tax the rich!" the unions and their apologists cry. But you could confiscate the wealth of every hedge-fund manager in the country and still not have enough money to meet the unfunded liabilities with which public-sector unions have saddled the states and local government.

How sad that the progressive political cause has been delivered into the hands of these bureaucratic special interests and their apologists."

Lane is right. The unions are interested in one thing only, themselves. If the union wins here, everyone else loses. The viagara story I posted made it clear that the cost of those drugs alone was enough to fund several teachers. But the union decided that the ED problems of its tenured members was more important than jobs for new entrants. As I stated, the union motto is "I got mine". And nothing else matters.

Albert Shanker one more time.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 18, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

BBC reports:

"An official Bahraini statement says that Sheikh Salman bin Hamad al-Khalifa has been given "all the powers to fulfill the hopes and aspirations of all gracious citizens from all sections"."

Translation: martial law has been declared.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 18, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh suzie, my dear, just two things;
(1) it is a timing thing. YOu posted the link as I was commenting thus I didn't see it.
(2) I don't see how your linked to item supports your contention, what am I missing.

And no, they aren't teachers. If they were they'd be teaching, n'est ce pas? Instead they are trashing the streets and issuing threats. That's thuggery. They are as they do. If you don't like that, boo hoo.

and as I've continually pointed out, no liberal here can defend the lavish compensation package of the union thugs taking to the streets of Madison, WI. No one here has attempted to defend the Milwaukee teacher's union demand for viagara either. Why? Because these things are indefensible. Instead the marxists here engage in name calling and seek to change the subject.

That just won't work anymore. Lane is right and the tax payers know it. If getting their ED medication means shutting down a library, the thugs with the signs won't lose a second of sleep.

the union motto: I got mine.

Albert Shanker once again.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 18, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Leadership is about leading even when it’s uncomfortable. The Wisconsin situation is a symptom of the erosion of leadership in this Country today.

Posted by: brian67 | February 18, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Skipsailing, if you really consider Charles Lane a "WaPo lefty," then your political spectrum is much different than most people's. By any commonly accepted measure he is well to the RIGHT of center.

Also: You asked Suekzoo for a credible source backing her contention that there would be no fiscal crisis in Wisconsin if Gov. Walker hadn't pushed for, and signed into law, massive tax cuts geared to companies and high-income individuals. She provided one (the NY Times also has info on that, by the way), so now you claim it doesn't prove her point (?!).

I'm sure glad you're on Gov. Walker's side; with friends like you, he doesn't need any enemies!

Posted by: DCSteve1 | February 18, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

A few more days of escalation on both sides, and the situation will become Bahrain-on-Lake-Michigan.

Posted by: chuck8 | February 18, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I love that GWB is the guy that conservatives describe as a war criminal. Cognitive Dissonance, much?

Posted by: karenfink | February 18, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Get back to work, slackers!

Posted by: mike_w_long | February 19, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Besides being cowards, the Wisconsin Democrats should be docked any pay for this time away from the job. A job which they actually should lose for running away from their responsibilities.

Posted by: buddy11 | February 20, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Under the 14th Amendment "we are citizens of the state wherein we reside", until we leave. The Wisconsin legislators who have abandoned their jurisdiction, lost Wisconsin citizenship, surrendered their political office, and are no longer representing the residents of Wisconsin. The Governor might want to issue a proclamation to that effect, basically "effective immediately" nullifying all of those vacant offices, and using executive powers to select new representatives.

Amendment XIV - Citizenship rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States *and of the State wherein they reside.* No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any Statedeprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Posted by: borderraven | February 20, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I understand why they left the state of Wisconsin. But, If they don't come back nothing will happen in their favor. I have always felt that you should face your enemies head-on. Therefore, if this group of renegade senators don't come back, I think they should be fired immediately and put in those that can make a decision on a temp basis, until this matter can be resolved. The people of Wisconsin put you in that position to find answers, not to be over paid cowards who can't face the music.

Posted by: timhoover65 | February 21, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

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