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Posted at 11:34 AM ET, 02/23/2011

Governor Walker's office confirms prank Koch call

By Greg Sargent

The Internet is burning up with the news that Governor Scott Walker may have been pranked by a caller claiming to be David Koch, and a spokesman for the Governor, Cullen Werwie, emails a statement confirming the call is legit:

The Governor takes many calls everyday. Throughout this call the Governor maintained his appreciation for and commitment to civil discourse. He continued to say that the budget repair bill is about the budget. The phone call shows that the Governor says the same thing in private as he does in public and the lengths that others will go to disrupt the civil debate Wisconsin is having.

More on this in a sec, but for now, suffice it to say that this will reinforce perceptions that Walker is in way over his head.

UPDATE, 11:41 a.m.: A few items of note from the call:

* Walker doesn't bat an eye when Koch describes the opposition as "Democrat bastards."

* Walker reveals that he and other Republicans are looking at whether they can charge an "ethics code violation if not an outright felony" if unions are paying for food or lodging for any of the Dem state senators.

* Walker says he's sending out notices next week to some five or six thousand state workers letting them know that they are "at risk" of layoffs.

"Beautiful, beautiful," the Koch impersonator replies. "You gotta crush that union."

More soon...

UPDATE, 11:54 a.m.: In a key detail, Walker reveals that he is, in effect, laying a trap for Wisconsin Dems. He says he is mulling inviting the Senate and Assembly Dem and GOP leaders to sit down and talk, but only if all the missing Senate Dems return to work.

Then, tellingly, he reveals that the real game plan here is that if they do return, Republicans might be able to use a procedural move to move forward with their proposal.

"If they're actually in session for that day and they take a recess, this 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they'd have a quorum because they started out that way," he says. "If you heard that I was going to talk to them that would be the only reason why."

Then the fake Koch says this: "Bring a baseball bat. That's what I'd do."

Walker doesn't bat an eye, and responds: "I have one in my office, you'd be happy with that. I've got a slugger with my name on it."

12:09 p.m.: Another key exchange:

FAKE KOCH: What we were thinking about the crowds was, planting some troublemakers.

WALKER: We thought about that. My only gut reaction to that would be, right now, the lawmakers I talk to have just completely had it with them. The public is not really fond of this.The teachers union did some polling and focus groups...

It's unclear what Walker means when he says he "thought" about planting some troublemakers, but it seems fair to ask him for clarification.

UPDATE, 12:27 p.m.: One last fun tidbit: Walker appears to agree when "Koch" calls David Axelrod a "son of a bitch." Walker tells an anecdote in which he was having dinner with Jim Sensebrenner, and at a nearby table he saw Mika Brzezinski and Greta VanSusteren having dinner with David Axelrod. Then this exchange occured:

WALKER: I introduced myself.

FAKE KOCH: That son of a bitch.

WALKER: Yeah, no kidding, right?

UPDATE, 12:41 p.m.: Another great exchange:

FAKE KOCH: Well, I'll tell ya what, Scott. Once you crush these bastards, I'll fly ya out to Cali and really show you a good time.

WALKER: Alright. That would be outstanding. Thanks for all the support and helping us move the cause forward.

By Greg Sargent  | February 23, 2011; 11:34 AM ET
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Civil debate? Class war is not for the debating society.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"More on this in a sec, but for now, suffice it to say that this will reinforce perceptions that Walker is in way over his head."

I would say this is confirmed.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 23, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

In over his head, indeed. He obviously thought it was the real David Koch. You can hear it in his voice at the beginning of the call. His complete lack of good faith in the legislative process is on display for all to see when he discusses dirty tricks openly. Time to resign, Governor Walker.

Posted by: boloboffin1 | February 23, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

For the moment; just focus on the fact that he took the call from David Koch. That is the big exposure, that Walker has admitted to.

He though his Puppet Master was calling, and he was eager to receive his marching orders.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@Liam-still "Greg,

For the moment; just focus on the fact that he took the call from David Koch. That is the big exposure, that Walker has admitted to.

He though his Puppet Master was calling, and he was eager to receive his marching orders."

Interesting that he apparently didn't recognize the voice of the "Puppet Master".

Posted by: jnc4p | February 23, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

dozas wrote,

"Middle class Americans have to STOP voting against their own interests. Simple as that."

This is true, but they need leaders that will lead them in the pitched battle that has to occur. It isn't as if the rich would go down without a fight. Most Americans still think the rich contribute something essential to their own prospects.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

@shrink2 "This is true, but they need leaders that will lead them in the pitched battle that has to occur. It isn't as if the rich would go down without a fight. Most Americans still think the rich contribute something essential to their own prospects. "

I think you are going to be disappointed at the outcome of the "class war" that you are predicting.

In other news, Obama's foreclosure prevention policies have successfully allowed the banks to "pretend and extend".

"FDIC says banks earned $21.7B in 4Q"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/23/AR2011022302336.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Posted by: jnc4p | February 23, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Interesting that he apparently didn't recognize the voice of the "Puppet Master".

Posted by: jnc4p | February 23, 2011 11:42 AM |

.................

Well he is a low grades dropout, and of course that makes for the ideal Turnip Head Puppet.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

One thing I noticed in the Stephanopoulos interview with Walker a few days ago is that Walker never stops talking. He just runs his sentences on and it's hard to get a question in. Looks like his running off at the mouth has bit him here.

Posted by: jw456 | February 23, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Idiot. Koch calls on the red phone. he doesn't call the switchboard.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 23, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If Koch was Walker's Puppet Master wouldn't he know his voice? Also, wouldn't their be a special number for him to call. This blows those claims out of the water totally.

Posted by: johnyt1977 | February 23, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

jnc, I hope you don't think I am predicting anything, I said it has to occur, but as I've said many times, I don't think it will.

Nor am I, as you know a supporter of Obama in this regard, let alone positing his as a leader of anything other than business as usual. Onion spoofs notwithstanding, he would give anything (in a way, he has given everything) for a bubble economy right now, just one more time, that is all he asks. Everything his administration has done augers for a bubble. The revenge of the Clintons, I'll bet he lies awake nights wondering how they got a bubble inflated and he can't, it's not fair.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Hosni Walker is actually Jeff Peterson covered with artificial skin. I bet, just like Jeff Peterson, Walker can not function more than ten feet away from a power outlet, unless his battery pack has been recharged.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

""If Koch was Walker's Puppet Master wouldn't he know his voice? Also, wouldn't their be a special number for him to call. This blows those claims out of the water totally.""

So, it's a double-reverse mind-frak, with Walker's spokesperson confirming the call as real, when they KNOW it's a fake?

Awesome. The Dark Side is STRONG in this one!
.

Posted by: jprestonian | February 23, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Here is the local Madison, WI NBC affiliate write up on this.

"MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has been lured into a conversation about his strategy to cripple public employee unions by a prank caller pretending to be a billionaire Republican donor.

Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie confirms the governor is on audio of the call posted Wednesday on the website of the Buffalo Beast, a left-leaning New York newspaper.

The governor believes the caller is conservative businessman David Koch. He talks about plans for layoff notices and what can be done to punish lawmakers who've left the state.

The caller suggests Walker take a baseball bat when meeting with Democrats. Walker jokes he has "a slugger with my name on it."

Brothers David and Charles Koch have given millions to support Americans For Prosperity, which has launched a $320,000 ad campaign supporting Walker."

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Prank_Call_Between_Gov_Walker_And_A_Fake_David_Koch_116738784.html

This is not going to go over well for Walker.

If I were him, I'd pull a Sarah Palin and just pretend reporters don't exist other than Hannity, Greta and the rest of the water carriers.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

We have a leader in the club house.

Scott Walker is now my first official nominee for the much coveted trophy by Right Wing Tea Party Zombies, to be awarded to:

The Koch Sucker Of The Year.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"More on this in a sec, but for now, suffice it to say that this will reinforce perceptions that Walker is in way over his head."

Ya think?

"* Walker doesn't bat an eye when Koch describes the opposition as "Democrat b@stards.""

A: it's not Koch. That's gonna get old soon. It's a guy pretending to be Koch.

B: Really? Do we think any Democratic or liiberal politician would have batted an eye if someone had called the Republicans in congress "Republican b@stards" during the HCR debate . . . or, anytime, really? I kinda expect they do it all the time.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

That double reverse mind frak works every time on conservatives, they are proud to be ignorant. This is why I think Romney has to blame the People's Republic of Massachusetts for their own health care mandate. He was an innocent bystander, just taking orders, sure he should have tried to stop what was happening all around him and so Romneycare is a cross he has to bear, like every other Messianic victim. Heck, I'm ready to vote for him just listening to myself tap; poor guy, he needs our help and our support - he had to govern taxachusetts and somehow survive. I don't think I could do that. He is a shoo in for 2012.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Walker's spokesman is not confirming that the real Koch was on the call. What I want to know is how Greg knows that Walker didn't bat an eye?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"That double reverse mind frak works every time on conservatives, they are proud to be ignorant."

Well, I can't speak for all conservatives, but I know I'm proud to be ignorant. I'm hoping one day to work my way up to "bonafide moron".

:-)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

This is so amusing. The liberals here are basically reduced to spluttering name calling and spittle flecked invective.

Losing elections will have that effect.

Let me quote Barrack Hussein Obama's BFF and mentor, Reverend Wright:

"Them chickens have come home to roost!"

The true magnatude of the shellacking Obama took is finally clear to such insightful people as the American left. They've finally realized that with Republican control of the state houses, the money flow from tax payers to union members to union bosses to Democrat politicians is looking to slow to a trickle.

Why else would the left be so angry that folks like the Koch's are actually using the left's tactics. It takes money and the left always used ours. Now they have to go out and raise their own.

Without union support many congressional democrats are facing huge problems next election. How will they deal with the loss of NEA funding, for example?

Yes, this is fun. To quote from one of my favorite songs, Sledgehammer: the amusement never ends.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 23, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Let's see what happens with a Soros impersonator talking to Obama for 20 minutes too.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh, the web is ablaze with this story. Keep re-posting and tweeting. Lets see if we can get it in the top 10 searches!

It seems it's spreading to local news affiliates starting from Wisconsin and working its way out.

I'm going to flood my local news to post a story about it, suggest you do the same.

I gotta get my money worth from Organizing for America and the Obama Administration, Soros and ACORN since I'm on their payroll.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Does WI have a recall provision in their state constitution?

Posted by: AdamantiumBeta | February 23, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the mask if off of the modern GOP. I hope voters everywhere are taking note.

Posted by: lcrider1 | February 23, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Scot Walker and Kevin Willis can start to lay the blame for the prank call on Andrew Breitbart and his little Pimpbot?

After all, the Tea Party always gives great credence to their tapes, and tout them as being earth shattering revelations of the the greatest national importance.

Sorry Kevin W. But you are just too late with your little discount ploy now.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Does WI have a recall provision in their state constitution? "

Yes. For Gov it is a year. For the State Legislators the process can start right now.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone got some of those patented skipsailing rose-tinted glasses for sale?
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Posted by: jprestonian | February 23, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

KW, Any amount of stupid is better than being an elitist. I think I am the only socialist elitist e-v-e-r, hated by both sides; apparently there is nothing worse than being an elitist, but then again, it is even worse if the elitist styles to care about anyone else. Everyone knows elitists are immoral or worse.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Does WI have a recall provision in their state constitution?

Posted by: AdamantiumBeta | February 23, 2011 12:06 PM

.................
Yes, but he has to be in office for at least one year, before a recall effort is permitted.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Why else would the left be so angry that folks like the Koch's are actually using the left's tactics. It takes money and the left always used ours. Now they have to go out and raise their own.

Actually, we do raise our own. I know that bothers you, but get used to it.

Posted by: lcrider1 | February 23, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

AdamantiumBeta, yes.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Talk about class warfare, how openly can you own a politician and not be arrested?

Posted by: soapm | February 23, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"Does WI have a recall provision in their state constitution?"

I believe they do - I think he has to be in office a year. If I were a WI voter, I'd start now.

Posted by: lcrider1 | February 23, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

All I gotta say is...


THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR SCOTT WALKER!!!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

We have a leader in the club house.

Scott Walker is now my first official nominee for the much coveted trophy by Right Wing Tea Party Zombies, to be awarded to:

The Koch Sucker Of The Year.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Too bad this imposter didn't bring up the power plants.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

KW, Any amount of stupid is better than being an elitist. I think I am the only socialist elitist e-v-e-r, hated by both sides; apparently there is nothing worse than being an elitist, but then again, it is even worse if the elitist styles to care about anyone else. Everyone knows elitists are immoral or worse.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:09 PM |
......................

And how does that make you feel?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

No, I think the conservative commenter above had a point: Maybe the whole thing IS a fake.

Of course, with Walker's office verifying the authenticity of the call, we'd certainly know who was responsible for the faking.
.

Posted by: jprestonian | February 23, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Now for something the WaPo refuses to cover. The Hill is covering it though.

"Sometimes it's necessary to get out on the streets and 'get a little bloody'," a Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday in reference to labor battles in Wisconsin.

Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) fired up a group of union members in Boston with a speech urging them to work down in the trenches to fend off limits to workers' rights like those proposed in Wisconsin.


A US government official has now called on an allied political group to attack & injure citizens who are politically opposed to his party.

Time to buy ammo. Capuano has done Lord North proud. I hope he studied history…

Posted by: illogicbuster | February 23, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

This is good for Mitch Daniels, who harshly distanced himself from Walker yesterday.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

So you libs want to recall Walker for talking to an imposter? There was nothing illegal on the audio I heard. Can we then impeach Obama once we get a Soros impersonator talking to him too?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"Time to buy ammo."

Every nutbar in America thinks this every day. It is what the founding fathers envisioned.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

illogicbuster, that's because nobody cares.

Walker sucking up to Koch is HUGE!

Take down Walker and Koch with one stone. Maybe their ties will be investigated even further.

Here's to hoping it does.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Pretty typical political talk. Problem is, this is the 21st C. and everything can be found, listened to and held against you in the court of public opinion on the interwebs.

Maybe if he'd stayed in school, he woulda learned something from Tricky Dick...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 23, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

This brought to mind this call to Palin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1_qx8yXjt0

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Ruh roh, DC local news already running with the story. That was fast.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpps/news/politics/scott-walker-20-minute-prank-call-feb-23-2011_12012000

That Fox report is NOT good for Walker.

This might just be the fasted crash and burn we've seen yet.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

""Sometimes it's necessary to get out on the streets and 'get a little bloody'," a Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday in reference to labor battles in Wisconsin."

Maybe he's just referring to Indiana's AG's longing to use "live ammunition" against the protestors.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | February 23, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

@jprestonian

No, the point I was making is that Libs have been claiming that Koch is the string puller behind this while thing but the call shows that Walker barely knows him let alone is taking orders from him.

Posted by: johnyt1977 | February 23, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

@mike-

"THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR SCOTT WALKER!!!"

Gawd, I wish I could remember the name of the poster on TPM who would do that back 2008...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 23, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: ""Maybe Scot Walker and Kevin Willis can start to lay the blame for the prank call on Andrew Breitbart and his little Pimpbot?""

What? I mean, even if you didn't include my name in that sentence, I still don't think I'd understand what that particular insult is actually supposed to mean.

"Sorry Kevin W. But you are just too late with your little discount ploy now."

Again--and, I realize, I'm wasting time asking this because you aren't going to actually answer my question, but--what are you talking about? What "little discount ploy"? In regards to what?

You have to remember when speaking to me that I am mentally handicapped by conservatism. :P

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

nailin' palin.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

All, see the quotes I"ve pulled from the call in updates above.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 23, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

illogicbuster, that's no different than Obama saying "if they bring a knife, we bring a gun."

IOKIYAD

We need to win this fight in the heartland, not lamestream media.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

""No, the point I was making is that Libs have been claiming that Koch is the string puller behind this while thing but the call shows that Walker barely knows him let alone is taking orders from him.""

Have you compared Koch's voice to the pranker's voice?

It's tough to make the argument that he would have called a private number, as everyone knows billionaires don't dial their own phones. They underpay morons to do that for them, hence the first number that came up in contacts might be the governor's office switchboard.
.

Posted by: jprestonian | February 23, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Gawd, I wish I could remember the name of the poster on TPM who would do that back 2008... "

Idiotic

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

@dozas: "Middle class Americans have to STOP voting against their own interests. Simple as that."

To which Kevin said,
Then they'll have to stop voting for politicians. After which, it gets tricky.
_______

Watch it there friend, you keep thinking like that and you might end up smarter than you want to be. You'd know fries are fried, whether or not they get frozen.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

One word:

R-E-S-I-G-N!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 23, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

@ChuckInDenton: "Pretty typical political talk. Problem is, this is the 21st C. and everything can be found, listened to and held against you in the court of public opinion on the interwebs."

Yes, it is, but this wasn't found--Walker was practically tripping over himself to demonstrate his eagerness to talk to a Koch-impersonator, at a point where if he had any political instincts whatsoever he would have been suspicious of the call, I mean--what he said is probably pretty typical, or even tame, for politicians and their supporters in private. But the idea that he was so easily shnookered, that nothing the Koch impersonator was saying was setting off alarms . . . the guy is a bonehead. Add that to •everything else• and it's political seppuku. On a grand scale.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

thanks mike...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 23, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

@Chuck:

I remember NCSteve was one of them. Can't remember who started it first.

@Mike:

Guess you had to be there. . .

Posted by: Michigoose | February 23, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mikefromArlington: "illogicbuster, that's because nobody cares."
--------------------------------------
WRONG. You don't care. Those whom the Congressman called for to be attacked DO. Fortunately, we're more heavily armed than the left wing zealots. Glad YOU don't care. It'll make it easier and quicker.


Posted by: illogicbuster | February 23, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR JOHN MCCAIN!!!

Ahhhh. for old times' sake.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

This punked up conversation does nothing to change the facts, WI is broke and lawmakers need the tools to balance the budget. Sorry it's not a pretty process for all you unicorn lovers.

Posted by: GeorgieGirl1 | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

lol Michigoose, Idiotic was the posters name.

:P

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Kevin- Well, I can't speak for all conservatives, but I know I'm proud to be ignorant. I'm hoping one day to work my way up to "bonafide moron". :-)
---------------------------------

I'm the official "bonifier" of all morons so please submit your application and fee to me and I'll evaluate your qualifications.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Greg: "fake Koch" refs--thanks! I don't know if that was because I was whining or not, but that sort of clarity with fast moving stories is always positive.

And, of course, puts the focus on where it should be (with this story, at this time): Scott Walker.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

johnyt1977, that's what I thought listening to it. At the very least, there's nothing illegal on the audio I heard.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

OT but huge news none the less.

Obama's DOJ will stop representing Rumsfeld and others. Wonder if it had to do with Rumsfeld coming out recently and slamming this admin.

Also, I just read Obama just told the Justice Department that he now considers DOMA unconstitutional and to stop defending it in court.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry Kevin W. But you are just too late with your little discount ploy now."

Again--and, I realize, I'm wasting time asking this because you aren't going to actually answer my question, but--what are you talking about? What "little discount ploy"? In regards to what?

You have to remember when speaking to me that I am mentally handicapped by conservatism. :P

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:22 PM
.............

Apparently, since you do not even remember your previous comment, where you engaged is some hypothetical imaginary equivalence, where some Democrat might have handled a call, in the same manner, and none of your right wing fraternity would have made much of it.

I also like some other right wingers saying that it was clear that Walker did not even recognize the voice on the phone.

That is supposed to make him look better?! He took a call from some guy he did not recognize, but still spoke that openly to him. To me; that makes him look even dumber, than if he had recognized that he did not know the voice.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"I just read Obama just told the Justice Department that he now considers DOMA unconstitutional and to stop defending it in court."

What? Are you serious? That would be huge.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

@shrink: "Watch it there friend, you keep thinking like that and you might end up smarter than you want to be. You'd know fries are fried, whether or not they get frozen."

Raw cut frozen potatoes aren't fried. Otherwise, the fact they were pre-cooked would be mentioned in the packaging. The great majority of frozen "french fries" are uncooked or blanched (not fried).

They're called "french fries" because you're supposed to fry them when you get them. Believe it or not!

When I was in high school, I'm pretty sure the fries were steamed. Or possibly boiled. I know they weren't fried.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin-

Oh, absolutely. What a cheap suit. He wants to be a playa...

And there's no question about the "we thought about that" quote.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 23, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

ashotinthedark, your turn now: please cite to any WI statute you think that Gov. Walker violated.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

OT:

"Breaking News: Obama action against DOMA coming
By Jonathan Capehart

"A well-placed and trusted source tells me that, any minute now, Attorney General Eric Holder will issue a statement announcing that it will no longer defend so-called Defense of Marriage Act lawsuits in court. The source believes DOJ had come to the conclusion that heightened scrutiny would apply, and that these cases cannot be defended in court. A 530d letter has been sent to Congress informing it that, if it wants to defend the statute, it is free to do so. A case is pending now that has a filing deadline of March 11.

"This is huge, folks. By definitively stating that gay men and lesbians deserve heightened scrutiny, the Obama administration is declaring that there is no government interest in perpetuating the discrimination aggrieved parties are trying to redress."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2011/02/big_news_on_doma_coming.html

Awesome baby!

Posted by: sbj3 | February 23, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Ewww, raw defrosted potatoes steamed? No, no way.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

@ashot: "I'm the official "bonifier" of all morons so please submit your application and fee to me and I'll evaluate your qualifications."

Well, okay, just so long as I get to keep my pants on. Last time somebody promised they could bone-ify me, it was totally not what I expected.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"What? Are you serious? That would be huge."


Obama: DOMA Unconstitutional, DOJ Should Stop Defending In Court

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/obama-doma-unconstitutional_n_827134.html

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

sbj3, that's old news. I reported it like 20 seconds before you. :P

Congrats.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the defense of DOMA was one of the struts that holding up my Grudge Against Obama...and now it is gone...

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

For the record, David Axelrod is a son of a bïtch. Have you ever met his mother?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

@Liam: "Apparently, since you do not even remember your previous comment, where you engaged is some hypothetical imaginary equivalence, where some Democrat might have handled a call"

I remember saying that, I just had no way to tell that that was what you were talking about. If you have quoted me, then . . .

"and none of your right wing fraternity would have made much of it."

You understand, of course, that I did not say, or even remotely imply, that last part. A successful sting similarly executed on a Democrat would be huge in the "right wing fraternity" as you say, and all over The Fox.

"I also like some other right wingers saying that it was clear that Walker did not even recognize the voice on the phone."

Well, that's not really a defense of Scott's suitability for politics.

"That is supposed to make him look better?! He took a call from some guy he did not recognize, but still spoke that openly to him."

Well, I don't know, but I speculate that that was because Scott ain't none too bright. But, I don't pass judgement.

"To me; that makes him look even dumber, than if he had recognized that he did not know the voice."

Again, Liam, when it comes down to it--though you are spoiling for a fight, and your misanthropy propels you to walk through life with fists up--it turns out we pretty much entirely agree with each other.

Fancy that!

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Walker colluding with Koch is going to distract the wingers from the DOJ refusing to defend DOMA. All their energy will have to go into spinning Walkers news as positive to avoid him resigning and to ensure not too much attention is given to Koch. If the journalists actually started doing their job, the Nation would realize the stranglehold Koch has on our politics and how he's trying to game the system to implement his ideology he's been trying to implement for the last 30 years.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

But if the government does not defend "Traditional Marriages:, How will Rush, Trump, Rudi, Newt, McCain, etc be able to marry any new wives?

Traditional Sad Marriages must be defended, at all cost.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

ashotinthedark, your turn now: please cite to any WI statute you think that Gov. Walker violated.

Posted by: clawrence12
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I think you have me confused. I never said he broke a law nor have I even said he should be recalled.

By the way I enjoyed our back and forth on that issue.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 23, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@shrink: "Ewww, raw defrosted potatoes steamed? No, no way."

They would have been cooked by the steaming (as vegetables can be cooked by steaming). And they were. They were also very, very moist (almost like they wanted, in their heart of hearts, to be mashed potatoes). But not remotely greasy (no butter for the mashed 'taters, either, but old fashioned iodized salt on the table, so they clearly did not care about our blood pressure back then).

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"ashotinthedark, your turn now: please cite to any WI statute you think that Gov. Walker violated. "

Actually, people are talking about recalling the governor - not impeaching, so no illegal activity is required. In fact in WI, there doesn't even have to be any specific reason for the recall.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | February 23, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis - Well, okay, just so long as I get to keep my pants on. Last time somebody promised they could bone-ify me, it was totally not what I expected.
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Lame, homoerotic jokes are a bonus to any application for moron status.

I do need to warn you, you will have to join your local BMU chapter. That's Bonafide Moron Union.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 23, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

'you are spoiling for a fight, and your misanthropy propels you to walk through life with fists up' Ah, the fighting Irish...

This is just ethnic prejudice, not all Irish people are likes-to-fight guy. Why a few years ago a met an Irishman who was very even tempered, unless he was drinking of course.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

That exchange is gold! "Fly you out to Cali...".

Cheers Fake Koch, wherever you are!

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 23, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

@Chuck: "And there's no question about the "we thought about that" quote."

Well, we thought about committing outright fraud and lying and misleading the people of Wisconsin . . .

We thought about kidnapping the first born of young mothers and drinking their blood. But we decided against it. Wasn't sure how it would play.

We thought a few key targeted broken bones might get them to play along . . . but we weren't sure how that would play with the AG.

We thought about burning down the city hall and collecting the insurance money . . .

Come on. He only thought about it! It's not like he, you know, did it or anything.

I think he's going to be gone. As I said earlier, I think he has single-handedly wrapped of WI in a big pretty bow and given it to the Democrats. I know I'd vote against him in a recall election, if I were in WI.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

@ashot: "Lame, homoerotic jokes are a bonus to any application for moron status."

That means I get to keep my pants on, right?

"I do need to warn you, you will have to join your local BMU chapter. That's Bonafide Moron Union."

I dunno. I'm pretty sure that unions are bad. What are the dues?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

schrodingerscat, apparently no unethical or untoward activity is required either. So far, two attorneys here have stated Gov. Walker broke no law. So, what's your problem again, just that he dared speak with Koch?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"They were also very, very moist (almost like they wanted, in their heart of hearts, to be mashed potatoes)."

Yuck, thank my native intelligence I tested into private school scholarships at an early age. At The Buckingham Browne and Nichols School, our lunchtime meals were carefully prepared culinary triumphs.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "Traditional Sad Marriages must be defended, at all cost."

I've always thought that if conservatives, etc., really had an axe to grind with homosexuals, they'd fast-track same-sex marriage. Immediately.

"It's totally awesome! Yeah, absolutely. Get married •right away!•"

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

UPDATE, 11:54 a.m.: In a key detail, Walker reveals that he is, in effect, laying a trap for Wisconsin Dems. He says he is mulling inviting the Senate and Assembly Dem and GOP leaders to sit down and talk, but only if all the missing Senate Dems return to work.

Then, tellingly, he reveals that the real game plan here is that if they do return, Republicans might be able to use a procedural move to move forward with their proposal.

"If they're actually in session for that day and they take a recess, this 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they'd have a quorum because they started out that way," he says. "If you heard that I was going to talk to them that would be the only reason why."

.............................

OK. His subservience to Koch could not be made any clearer than he did, with that last part.

He was admitting that he knew that Koch did not want him to talk to the Democrats or the Unions, and he was letting Koch know, that he was not going to do so, in a sincere manner, but was instead going to play a weasel trick on them. He explained to the guy he thought was Koch, exactly how he was going to lie to the Democrats, so that Koch would not get upset with him, when he heard any news report that said that he was going to meet in good faith with The Democrats.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

That Mika Brzezinski, a real piece of ___

Hilarious.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 23, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"So, what's your problem again, just that he dared speak with Koch?"

Who said I had a problem? Just trying to impart some facts into the discussion. Why so defensive?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | February 23, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

So, is this the first confirmed story of a Governor threatening his local teachers with a baseball bat with his name on it?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington - Or how about the first confirmed story of a Governor contemplating using plants in a crowd to start trouble?

Posted by: kumicho | February 23, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@ claw-

Well, I wonder what you would think of the Deputy AG of Indiana saying that "deadly force" is justified against protesters. After all, he didn't "use" deadly force, did he?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/indiana-dep-ag-use-live-ammunition-against-wisconsin-protesters.php?ref=fpb

I can't believe these folks are high on the political food chain when they know nothing about *politics*. Punters.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 23, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "Traditional Sad Marriages must be defended, at all cost."

I've always thought that if conservatives, etc., really had an axe to grind with homosexuals, they'd fast-track same-sex marriage. Immediately.

"It's totally awesome! Yeah, absolutely. Get married •right away!•"

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:53 PM

........................

I think it was a cartoon in the New Yorker Mag, that I saw:

An elderly couple sitting in their recliners. The man reads from the paper;

California to allow Gay Marriages.

The woman replies: Oh no; those poor people, haven't they suffered enough already.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

And holy crap is news fast today. Barely past noon and we've got weeks of material to talk about!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Once Walker starts talking he never shuts up. If this guy from Buffalo Beast had tried to interrupt him in mid sentence he really could have had Walker in a position
to soil himself and resign today. As it turns out it only embarrasses him, which is easy to do since Walker isn't very bright.

Posted by: filmnoia | February 23, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Marvelous. Another example of the utterly juvenile nature of the left. Keep it up. It makes you look like the idiots you are.

Posted by: drjohn3 | February 23, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you can try convincing others here then that there's nothing wrong with anything Walker said.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

@schrodinger: "Who said I had a problem? Just trying to impart some facts into the discussion. Why so defensive?"

I've got a problem. If nothing else, Walker is clearly incompetent. But he also admits to thinking about planting fake protestors--or, actively lie to the public and attempt to mislead his voters, and all the citizens of his state.

Glad he made the right call, there, I suppose, but he shouldn't have been been thinking of it. The response should have been: "No! No, no way. No, we're not doing this. We're in the right. We can do this all up and up. No, not interested, thanks for whatever, but absolutely not."

Instead, it was: "Yeah, well, I thought about doing that." He could have also added: "We had already bought some wigs, some fake mustaches--but then my secretary pointed out it would technically be a violation of my oath of office. So, you know, we put the plan on hold for now."

BTW, Liam, I know I am just imagining him saying that. That part is totally fictional. May not have ever would have happened. It's just a gag.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

So, what's your problem again, just that he dared speak with Koch?
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Come on claw. While I think many posters here would see a mere conversation with Koch as proof of....well just about anything, I think the actual comments in the conversation are what most people are going to object to.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 23, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

UPDATE, 11:54 a.m.: In a key detail, Walker reveals that he is, in effect, laying a trap for Wisconsin Dems. He says he is mulling inviting the Senate and Assembly Dem and GOP leaders to sit down and talk, but only if all the missing Senate Dems return to work.

Then, tellingly, he reveals that the real game plan here is that if they do return, Republicans might be able to use a procedural move to move forward with their proposal.

"If they're actually in session for that day and they take a recess, this 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they'd have a quorum because they started out that way," he says. "If you heard that I was going to talk to them that would be the only reason why."

.............................

OK. His subservience to Koch could not be made any clearer than he did, with that last part.

He was admitting that he knew that Koch did not want him to talk to the Democrats or the Unions, and he was letting Koch know, that he was not going to do so, in a sincere manner, but was instead going to play a weasel trick on them. He explained to the guy he thought was Koch, exactly how he was going to lie to the Democrats, so that Koch would not get upset with him, when he heard any news report that said that he was going to meet in good faith with The Democrats.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"OK. His subservience to Koch could not be made any clearer than he did, with that last part."

He has not even met Koch, you dumbass. If Walker is subservient to Koch for a paltry $43,000 donation, the $900,000 Obama got from Goldman Sachs must make Obama their slave.

http://images.opensecrets.org/obama_top_contribs.htm?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

Posted by: drjohn3 | February 23, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Just completely off topic, but I hope people dwelling on or near major geological faults are impressed with the damage a 6.3 earthquake can do (because it was shallow) to an affluent city that is more "earthquake poof" than any in America.

It is astonishing. 80% of people in without water and ~300 still missing in a place where you know what that means.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

No, mikefromArlington. First, it wasn't a threat. Second, Huey Long actually threatened state employees who didn't kick back a portion of their salary. Look up his infamous "deduct box" someday.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Blagojevich has finally met his match!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

@clawrence: "Maybe you can try convincing others here then that there's nothing wrong with anything Walker said."

There's plenty wrong with what Walker said. Speculating about planting fake protestors--there is something wrong with that. I can't imagine that that would not be a violation (at least in spirit) of his oath of office. "Well, yeah, I was thinking about betraying the tax payers--but then I decided not to" is not compelling.

That he took the call when he's not talking (i.e., working in good faith) with Democratic legislators. That he was so easily duped. Lots of things wrong with what Walker said.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"the $900,000 Obama got from Goldman Sachs must make Obama their slave"

That is a bit overstated, otherwise...

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Why so defensive?
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We are talking about clawrence, allegedly an attorney, who is trying to turn the Walker tapes into a legal case, fought out right here in the PlumLine courtroom.

And we wonder why claw is sooooo defensive. Probably because he has so much to defend.

Bwahahaha!!

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 23, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"I've got a problem"

Guess I should clarify: I don't believe a politician taking a phone call from one of his biggest supporters is illegal. That's what I meant about not having a problem.

I completely agree with the rest of your post, though. The guy's clearly in over his head.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | February 23, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Mike, I've been wondering for a while. Was it you? Idiotic, I mean.
(In the brilliant sense.)

Posted by: AllButCertain | February 23, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis, get off your high horse. There's nothing illegal about lying to the 14 Dems in order to get them back into the State and actually doing their job. Even if they sent "troublemakers" into the protest, that's not illegal either. You are such an idiot.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

@shrink: "Just completely off topic, but I hope people dwelling on or near major geological faults are impressed with the damage a 6.3 earthquake can do (because it was shallow) to an affluent city that is more "earthquake poof" than any in America."

We live near the New Madrid. I am told if there is a major earthquake, it could, of course, do major traditional damage (as was the case with the big quake that re-routed the Mississippi and created Realfoot Lake) but that because of the soil and clay, a lot of houses and buildings, etc, would just sink into the ground.

Hoping we don't have an earthquake!

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Once again for this DrJohn3 Moron.

Walker assumed he was talking to the real David Koch, when he said the following:

1 1:01 PM | Report abuse

UPDATE, 11:54 a.m.: In a key detail, Walker reveals that he is, in effect, laying a trap for Wisconsin Dems. He says he is mulling inviting the Senate and Assembly Dem and GOP leaders to sit down and talk, but only if all the missing Senate Dems return to work.

Then, tellingly, he reveals that the real game plan here is that if they do return, Republicans might be able to use a procedural move to move forward with their proposal.

"If they're actually in session for that day and they take a recess, this 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they'd have a quorum because they started out that way," he says. "If you heard that I was going to talk to them that would be the only reason why."

.............................

OK. His subservience to Koch could not be made any clearer than he did, with that last part.

He was admitting that he knew that Koch did not want him to talk to the Democrats or the Unions, and he was letting Koch know, that he was not going to do so, in a sincere manner, but was instead going to play a weasel trick on them. He explained to the guy he thought was Koch, exactly how he was going to lie to the Democrats, so that Koch would not get upset with him, when he heard any news report that said that he was going to meet in good faith with The Democrats.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Sargent,

When are you going to call out this democrat for his "uncivil discourse?"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/governor_walkers_office_confir.html#comments

I would wager a lot of money on never, since you have proven to be nothing more than a hypocritical, partisan hack.

Posted by: octopi213 | February 23, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@Greg Sargent "All, see the quotes I"ve pulled from the call in updates above."

Most of us read this earlier today while you guys were working on getting the confirmation from the Governor's office.

One quote you missed though that is quite telling is this one:

"Walker: Let ‘em protest all they want…Sooner or later the media stops finding it interesting."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/23/948732/-Busted:-Scott-Walker-fell-for-Prankster-posing-as-David-Koch-

Posted by: jnc4p | February 23, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I think we can officially acknowledge who the real "thugs" are.

Walker, with his bat and plots, is a thug. We need some cartoons of this.

We also see why employees cannot directly bargain with a government official.

Posted by: Beeliever | February 23, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe one of Walker's defenders here could explain why Governor Walker took the call of a total stranger and was willing to discuss very sensitive political strategy matters with him.

I agree Walker likely has never taken any orders from Koch, but clearly he was eager to curry favour with the man, and show off how they have a big plan to still win.

Walker like any prominent Republican knows he will need the likes of Koch to win the Presidential nomination at some point, or even just to land a nice cushy 6 figure sinecure if his political career ends.

Koch funds wingnut welfare. Everyone knows it, and it's hilarious that it's so easy to dupe powerful Republicans with the merest hint of being in Koch's good books.

For all the hyperventilating about Soros, the right has just discovered the Koch in its own eye.

Posted by: Scientician | February 23, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"Mike, I've been wondering for a while. Was it you? Idiotic, I mean. "

If only I could have been so brilliant.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"The White House says President Barack Obama "strongly condemns" the bloodshed in Libya and will address the situation later Wednesday or Thursday."

Well, no hurry, it isn't like things are changing fast, or like a it's a matter of life and death or anything...let me check...Friday is fine with me, whenever, no worries.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How come all those people who flock to see some imagined image of Jesus in some Piss stain under an overpass, have not even stopped to question the meaning of two earthquakes hitting a city named Christ Church?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Liam

Walker says nothing there he hasn't said in public.

Nothing.

They don't even need a quorum to eliminate collective bargaining.

Right now Democrats are suppressing democracy, shutting down governments.

Posted by: drjohn3 | February 23, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

clawrence: "There's nothing illegal about lying to the 14 Dems in order to get them back into the State and actually doing their job. Even if they sent 'troublemakers' into the protest, that's not illegal either."

I didn't say it was illegal, clawrence. I don't know that it was, although I would have questions about sending troublemakers into protests to essentially commit fraud. But even if it's all perfectly legal, it doesn't mean I have to support it. And . . . I don't.

"You are such an idiot."

Well, I can't argue with that, Ethan. I mean, clawrence.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

First, Walker's subservience to Koch isn't based on donations to his own campaign but to the Kochs' status as the bosses of the Republican party. Walker has to suck up to them to rise in the GOP. Second, the fake Koch's offer to fly Walker out to Cali to "show him a good time" is eagerly accepted by Walker, highly unethical if not illegal. You righties claim Walker barely knows Koch but the governor sure is willing to accept an expensive trip (and - wink, wink - prostitutes) after spending twenty minutes assuring Koch he is doing the billionaire's bidding. Spin it anyway you want, wingnuts, this call is solid proof that Walker (and every other TP politician) is a Koch puppet. Oh, did you hear the Koch brothers' lobbying branch just opened a new office in Madison?

Posted by: dnahatch1 | February 23, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Great new polling on public employee bargaining rights:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/41_percent_of_republicans_oppo.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 23, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"The White House says President Barack Obama "strongly condemns" the bloodshed in Libya and will address the situation later Wednesday or Thursday."

Well, no hurry, it isn't like things are changing fast, or like a it's a matter of life and death or anything...let me check...Friday is fine with me, whenever, no worries.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 1:17 PM |

.................

And what would you have him do about it, other than saying some words, which apparently have already been released?

Do you want him to invade the place, and get between the tribes? Do you want him to start bombing the place,

And how does all this make you feel?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin_Willis "@clawrence: "Maybe you can try convincing others here then that there's nothing wrong with anything Walker said."

There's plenty wrong with what Walker said. Speculating about planting fake protestors--there is something wrong with that. I can't imagine that that would not be a violation (at least in spirit) of his oath of office. "Well, yeah, I was thinking about betraying the tax payers--but then I decided not to" is not compelling.

That he took the call when he's not talking (i.e., working in good faith) with Democratic legislators. That he was so easily duped. Lots of things wrong with what Walker said."

Think Walker will go with an attack the messenger strategy against Ian Murphy based on his previous op-ed against the troops or just try and ride out the media cycle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murphy_%28writer%29

Posted by: jnc4p | February 23, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Clawrence the same alleged attorney who was defending Christine "I am not a Witch" with her claim she attended Oxford University. Wasn't it something like:

Well, she could have driven by Oxford.
Well, she was there in the summer in one of Oxford's buildings. Doesn't that count?
Well, who says there aren't two Oxfords?
Well, what's so wrong with writing Oxford University. What law does that break?

And lastly, as I remember, Claw is our new Nostradama-claw with his predictions that Ms. I am Not a Witch would definitely win her election and then she would **show** everyone what's what.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 23, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"First, Walker's subservience to Koch isn't based on donations to his own campaign but to the Kochs' status as the bosses of the Republican party."

You care to prove any of that? Saying it means nothing, especially from a liberal.

Posted by: drjohn3 | February 23, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"sink into the ground"

Liquifaction (?sp). On some live feed, I heard someone say they can't go home even though their building is still standing. They live on the third floor of a building and sandy dirt, not mud, was coming up through the drain pipes into the plumbing fixtures, apparently driven by the weight of the city.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Walker doesn't bat an eye when Koch describes the opposition as 'Democrat bastards.'"

How does Greg know this? How do you look for a batted eye when all you have is audio tape?

Is this the writing they taught Sargent at ToiletPaperMemos?

Posted by: HoosierJim | February 23, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

On a related note, you have to love Jennifer Rubin's perfectly timed piece from this morning comparing Scott Walker with Mitch Daniels.

"Two governors, only one ready for primetime"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-turn/2011/02/two_governors_only_one_ready_f.html

I'll leave it to Plum Line readers to guess which one she thought was more ready for prime time.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 23, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

DrJohn3

Walker never said in Public what he said to the guy he assumed was David Koch. Walker has never said it public that if he announces that he is going to meet with Democrats in good faith, it will only be to deceive them, into falling into a trap,and should you David Koch hear about my meeting with them, I want you to know, that I will not be dealing with them in good faith.

He never said that in public, no matter how many times you keep repeating your stupid lie.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Walker says nothing there he hasn't said in public.

Nothing."

LOL well, that settles it.

As STRF would always say, CASE CLOSED!!! (DROOL!)

Posted by: mikefromArlington | February 23, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Right now Democrats are suppressing democracy, shutting down governments."

@drjohn3: I'm amazed your head didn't explode after writing this.

Posted by: njardine | February 23, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Walker says nothing there he hasn't said in public."

He publicly commented on Mika Brzezinski's physical appearance?

I bet the State Senate Democratic leader would disagree that Walker has publicly discussed tricking him into returning to the Legislature to hold the vote anyway. That kind of thing would seem to rely on the element of surprise.

Would any right winger care to offer any explanation for why Walker would discuss sensitive political strategy with a (wealthy) total stranger?

It should literally be controversial that a sitting Governor would just take the calls of random billionaires where they most definitely would not take calls from other members of the public. No one elected David Koch to any office. I guarantee if a prankster pretended to be Soros and got Obama on the phone, even if Obama said nothing objectionable the right would make noise about him taking the call at all.

We know Republicans exist to serve the rich and here's yet more proof. In the middle of a crisis that will define Walker's political career, he has time to chat with a well known right wing billionaire.

Explain that.

Posted by: Scientician | February 23, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

How do you look for a batted eye when all you have is audio tape?
Is this the writing they taught Sargent at ToiletPaperMemos?

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Oooh...burn. You sure told, Greg!

In case you aren't aware, the batting of the eye is largely understood to mean he didn't pause, hesitate etc. Are you under the impression that everytime someone uses that expression they were looking to see if the individual's eye(s) had actually batted?

ToiletPaperMemos...classic...what do you have for ThePlumLine?

Kevin- Your application will be well-served by similar, juvenile, plays on words especially if they incorporate toilet humor in some way.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 23, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Walker is like a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Almost comical.

And of course all the Conservatives will jump out to support him. Yeah, KW, it's all ok since it was a fake Koch, right?

Posted by: DDAWD | February 23, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Looks, to me, like all the little Obamacrats are swooning with that tingling sensation in their thighs, again. Enjoy it while it lasts.

We now have a fitting name for the fugitive, Democrat, state legislators and it's a hoot.

They are fleebaggers.

Now that's funny!

I'm waiting for the fleebaggers to set up a government-in-exile with Chicago as it's capitol. Rahm Emmanuel will be the local despot-in-charge.

Posted by: battleground51 | February 23, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Scott Walker told the guy he assumed was David Koch, I don't want you to worry, if you hear I am meeting with the Democrats. I am not going to deal in good faith with them.

In other words; David Koch, I know that you want me to bust the Unions, and I am going to do that for you, so don't pay any attention to any news reports that might say otherwise, because when it comes to dealing with The Democrats and The Unions, I have no intention of being a man of my word.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@jnc4p: "Think Walker will go with an attack the messenger strategy against Ian Murphy based on his previous op-ed against the troops or just try and ride out the media cycle?"

I think he probably tries to ride it out. Attacking Murphy would be the worse strategy, anyway, because Murphy didn't put those words in his mouth . . . Walker is responsible. Trying to spin it, ignore it, and ride it out would be the better way to go, but I don't think there is any "good" way to get out of the hole he's been digging for himself. If he hadn't made himself such a political lightning rod, I think he'd be able to survive some stupid things said in a prank call. Under the circumstances? "Well, it wasn't technically illegal" is not going to be a compelling defense with much of the electorate.

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@shrink: "They live on the third floor of a building and sandy dirt, not mud, was coming up through the drain pipes into the plumbing fixtures, apparently driven by the weight of the city."

Apparently we'd get a lot of that, but also (as I understand it) a lot of clay. Still, they've been talking about the big one hitting the New Madrid since I can remember, and nothing yet. Basically, the conventional wisdom is that it could happen in 2 years, it could happen in 200 years, but it will happen and the destruction is going to be terrible. Pretty much none of the construction in the midsouth existed when the last big quake struck. There's no code for earthquake-proofing. Everything just gonna sink into the earth or fall down.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

""Right now Democrats are suppressing democracy, shutting down governments."

@drjohn3: I'm amazed your head didn't explode after writing this."


How's that? The people of Wisconsin elected who they elected and Democrats are the fleebaggers. They are interfering with the will of the electorate.

Like it or not, Democrats are obstructing the process of a duly elected government.

Sorry. The truth hurts.

Posted by: drjohn3 | February 23, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If Walker is looking into ethics code violations, then let's look at how Walker and his family went to the Super Bowl two weeks ago. Paid for by the Rep. Party. Donate to the Dem. party to keep the WI 14 safe!

Posted by: lorrierongstad | February 23, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

It should literally be controversial that a sitting Governor would just take the calls of random billionaires where they most definitely would not take calls from other members of the public.
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And, to add insult to injury, Mr. Koch isn't even a Wisconsin resident.

The Gov talking political strategy to defeat Wisconsin teachers with a money man from the East.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 23, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Wait a sec, if Walker is so beholden to the Koch family, why didn't he recognize that wasn't actually talking to one?

And if any of you leftist actually had a brain in your head instead of uttering Alinsky-esque talking points, you'd know that the Koch brothers are big time libertarians, have never been fans of social conservatives... but hey, don't let the truth get in the way of destroy the nation.

Posted by: Kehvan | February 23, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

..spokesman for the Governor, Cullen Werwie, emails a statement confirming the call is legit:

Oooh; That's gonna leave a mark.

I should phone and sell him some of this fantastic aerosol spray-on hair that I've found for his pate, since it's blatantly obvious that the only bright thing about this guy is a shiny little bald spot reflecting in the stage lights.

Posted by: maggiemoo3661 | February 23, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: "And of course all the Conservatives will jump out to support him. Yeah, KW, it's all ok since it was a fake Koch, right?"

Have you read anything I've written about Walker, or the fake Koch?

If so, then please clarify what you're asking/suggesting. Because I'm unclear. Is what okay? You know I'm not supporting Walker. I think he's not only out, I think he wrapped up Wisconsin and gave it to the Democrats, after having polished it up to a bluer blue than the Dems would ever have gotten it, by themselves.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"How does Greg know this? How do you look for a batted eye when all you have is audio tape?"

You don't hear a pause after the statement. But you got Greg dead to rights. Walker probably is capable of blinking. And breathing! I'll give him that much. You can't accuse me of being overly partisan!

That said, this is rich. Too rich. May he be safely escorted back to ignomy and a quiet life at his home soon enough.

Posted by: Alex3 | February 23, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I remember just the other day how Republicans were complaining that Obama had weighed in on the Wisconsin controversy. Apparently Obama isn't allowed to spend any time on this, not even 10 seconds to say the bit he said.

Ok, so why is Governor Walker taking calls from an out of state person who holds no office? Is that a good use of his time? What was he doing that he interrupted to take this call?

Isn't Koch the very definition of a "New York elitist" that Republicans spend so much time deriding in favour of "real" Americans? Walker should be talking to dairy farmers and factory workers in his state.

Posted by: Scientician | February 23, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

@kehvan: "Wait a sec, if Walker is so beholden to the Koch family, why didn't he recognize that wasn't actually talking to one?"

Because he probably isn't that beholden to the Koch family. The problem is, he clearly isn't that beholden to the Wisconsin tax payers, or accuracy, or dealing with others in good faith, either.

Plus, there is another answer the applies pretty well, no matter if he was beholden to Koch or not: perhaps he just isn't terribly competent.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

wow, the desperation of the left is on display.

Unable to defend the deal that their cronies in "civil service" have recieved, and sensing that the cash cow that supports their Democrat candidates is about to dry up, they are engaged in one of their favorite responses: personal destruction.

Never mind the facts, never mind the morality, never mind the tax payers or the voters, destroy anyone who dares stand in the way of the liberal agenda.

Here's a perfect example, one that Mr Sargent, as far as I know, has not discussed: the hiring of a hatchet man to "investigate" Darrell Issa. the intent is clear. since the liberals can't defend the actions that Mr Issa's congressional hearings are likely to uncover, they will try to destroy him instead.

It is just who they are.

But the most amazing aspect of all of this is how righteous the lefties feel. spending way to much for teachers, for example, is "for the children" never mind what Albert Shanker said.

the left tells itself lies and then convinces themselves of their own righteousness.

Here's a great example:
"We know Republicans exist to serve the rich..."

We know nothing of the kind. Take a trip to open secrets and get back to us OK? Who is getting the campaign donations from the "rich"? HOw much did Goldman Sachs give Mr Barrack Hussein Obama?

If ignorance is bliss, how to explain Liam-still? That's hardly blissful it seems to me

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 23, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Walker has scheduled a press conference today at 2:30 Central to address the phone calls.

LOL

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 23, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

BTW, how is it that this hasn't brought back Ruk or Rainforest?

There's been a definite uptick in Kadaffi.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

suekzoo1: "Walker has scheduled a press conference today at 2:30 Central to address the phone calls."

Let me predict a trainwreck. In slooowwwww motion.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

What's with the "trap" nonsense? It's a procedural move, the kind used in Congress by both parties for a couple of hundred years.

>Yawn<

It's really funny that Walker would not know the voice of David Kich, but is supposed to subservient to him.

Now Obama would know the voice of Robert Rubin, one of his slave masters at Goldman.

Posted by: drjohn3 | February 23, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"There's no code for earthquake-proofing."

Wow. And I have been given to understand you can not petition the Lord with prayer.

Where I have a place, on the side of a loess hill in Portland, there are various measures taken to make sure the houses and buildings will not collapse, but I am pretty sure if they do remain intact, they'll end up all piled up down at the bottom of the hill, like the cars do on snowy days.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 23, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"A: it's not Koch. That's gonna get old soon. It's a guy pretending to be Koch.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 12:00 PM"

I omitted your point B since I agree with it. But if your point A isn't an attempt to absolve Walker because it was a Koch impersonator, I'd looooooove to hear what the hell what you were trying to say.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 23, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Walker is clearly kowtowing to the Koch-he'd-like-to-please and plotting against his own Wisconsin residents. He shares his secret plan to trick Wisconsin Democrats back for an alleged negotiation, while he springs the trap against his own teachers' union and thousands of his own state's citizens.

Walker probably felt he'd hit the jackpot when he got a call from the great Koch and all of his antennae which should have been suspicious, were tuned into the great dollar sign and Walker's higher ambitions.

Walker's eagerness cannot be disguised. He couldn't wait to report to the great Koch just how clever, manipulative and secretive he is. Not exactly something that the Governor would want his public to know. Not only that, his trick of all time to trick the Democrats can't work now, can it. What a dope.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 23, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Too rich.

As Bugs Bunny once said, "What a maroon!"

Posted by: Alex3 | February 23, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love FoxNews:

Yesterday, USA Today and Gallup released a new poll that found that a whopping 61 percent of Americans oppose efforts like those of Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI) to strip public sector unions of collective bargaining rights. The poll also found that only a third of Americans support such a policy, indicating that Walker is pandering to the far-right of the American electorate and is hardly representative of mainstream political thought in this country.

This morning, during a debate about the situation in Wisconsin and collective bargaining rights in general, the Fox News show Fox & Friends referenced the USA Today/Gallup poll. With incredible brazenness, the Fox hosts actually reversed the results of the poll in order to claim that two-thirds of Americans supported Wisconsin-style laws rather than opposed them.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/23/fox-reverses-poll-union/

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 23, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting he'd take a call from Koch, but he won't take any calls from the Democratic legislators...

Pretty clear who the big dog is in Republican politics.

Posted by: Alex3 | February 23, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

kehvan:

"the Koch brothers are big time libertarians, have never been fans of social conservatives"

Economic issues always trump social issues for "libertarians" - they'll talk about drug legalization or support for gay equality, but given the choice between a social conservative who will cut taxes and regulation and a social liberal who will raise taxes and regulate, they will pick the socon every time.

This is always how it works on the right generally. Whenever they have actual power, economic conservatism comes first. Bush's first move after winning the 2004 election: We must privatize social security. Gingrich's first move on retaking congress: We must gut medicaid. Reagan's first move: Tax cuts and union busting.

Somehow they never quite get around to actually banning abortion or passing that flag burning amendment or whatever silly issue they fool the rubes with.

Posted by: Scientician | February 23, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Pretty clear who the big dog is in Republican politics.
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Walker is Koch's poodle.

Bwahahaha!!!!

Who said that?

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 23, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

And of course all the Conservatives will jump out to support him. Yeah, KW, it's all ok since it was a fake Koch, right?

Posted by: DDAWD
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It's not really okay, but I'm sure you'll have no problem defending the guy that pulled this stunt. Just like guy that punked ACORN. Good times right?

Hypocrites.

Posted by: Bailers | February 23, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: "I omitted your point B since I agree with it. But if your point A isn't an attempt to absolve Walker because it was a Koch impersonator, I'd looooooove to hear what the hell what you were trying to say."

I'd loooove to hear how you jump to that particular conclusion. Just based on that comment, without even bothering to read everything else I've written. Anyhoo. . .

No, I was arguing that when you present a transcript of a conversation, you shouldn't note that the person you are quoting (i.e., Koch) is not actually Koch. Greg apparently agreed with me, as he amended the post to note (in most places) that it was not Koch but an impersonator in his first set of updates.

Ergo, I think that instead of "KOCH: What we were thinking about the crowds was, planting some troublemakers" it should say "FAKE KOCH" or "KOCH IMPERSONATOR", which all the transcript lines do now (I think). They did not at the time I first read the article, which could have easily given the impression that this was a discussion with the actual David Koch (and Greg is hardly the only one quoting it thusly), and not an impersonator. My only problem with that being that such an impression is inaccurate.

Now, a question for you: how in the world would the conversation being with an impersonator, vs. the real Koch, be exonerating if Walker said the exact same things?

I may be again confessing my bonafide ignoramitude, but I don't even understand how that could possible work. Walker would have still have said the same stuff, right? He clearly thought he was talking to David Koch. How does it being a fake change anything? I mean . . . how would that even work, to think that that's what someone was asserting?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the ACORN tape (and the Sharrod tape) is that it was edited to alter the truth.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 23, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

@pragmaticagain: "The problem with the ACORN tape (and the Sharrod tape) is that it was edited to alter the truth."

How was the ACORN tape edited to alter the truth? That isn't a gotcha question, I'm just for whatever reason (partying, memory loss) unfamiliar with what the deal was there.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

it is very simple bailers, the left can't win the argument on the merits of their position.


this is just what they do when they are wrong. They seek to destroy anyone who stands in their way. It is just who they are.

what is so vastly amusing is the amount that Walker got from those nefarious Koch Brothers, for his gubernatorial campaign.

Just to obtain some reference I checked the open secrets data for Ms Betty Sutton, a lady whose office is lit with electricity generated by coal but who stupidly voted for waxman markey anyway.

Of her top 38 donors, 16 were unions. The total amount donated by those 38 was 331,000, of that 160,000 was donated by unions.

So, the nefarious righties gave away 43K and the liam stills of the world can barely contain their anger. but if the unions give away millions, nary a peep from the left.

Always remember liberal rule one: Do as liberals say, not as liberals do.

Once again, the left and the Democrats cannot win this argument based on the merits of their position. Personal destruction is all they have left and they love it anyway.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 23, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Now, a question for you: how in the world would the conversation being with an impersonator, vs. the real Koch, be exonerating if Walker said the exact same things? "

Well, to me, it wouldn't, but I'm not a Conservative, so I don't have the faintest clue how the minds of you people work given the nutbag things you guys say and believe and support.

But if you were just referring to the transcript, then yeah, I agree. Thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 23, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

drjohn3:

"It's really funny that Walker would not know the voice of David Kich, but is supposed to subservient to him. "

I doubt I would know the phone voice of my company's CEO, but if someone told me he was on the phone, I would take the call.

I would also be hesitant to challenge him to prove his identity.

I don't actually believe walker takes orders from Koch in any direct conspiratorial sense, but Walker knows Koch is a very powerful movement conservative and was eager to take his call and impress him in hopes of future reward.

Posted by: Scientician | February 23, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Kevin_Willis - The ACORN tape was edited so that one question was shown, and then a *different* answer was shown immediately afterwards. I don't even think that the ACORN worker was responding to the same person.

Posted by: kumicho | February 23, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"Walker would have still have said the same stuff, right? He clearly thought he was talking to David Koch. How does it being a fake change anything?"

Exactly.

Though when you hear the conversation, especially towards the end, you have to wonder how gullible is Walker? The "Koch" dude was clearly trying to push the envelope at several points in the conversation.

Posted by: Alex3 | February 23, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure if you google "Breitbart ACORN Fraud" KW you'll find plenty of info but here is a sample:

Dec 27 2010, New York — Brooklyn prosecutors on Monday cleared ACORN of criminal wrongdoing after a four-month probe that began when undercover conservative activists filmed workers giving what appeared to be illegal advice on how to hide money.

While the video by James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles seemed to show three ACORN workers advising a prostitute how to hide ill-gotten gains, the unedited version was not as clear, according to a law enforcement source.

"They edited the tape to meet their agenda," said the source.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-03-01/news/27057678_1_acorn-offices-o-keefe-and-giles-prostitution

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 23, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Bailer,

How do you feel about Walker telling the guy, he though was David Koch, that he wanted him to know, that if heard he was sitting down with the Democrats, he should not worry about it, because he was not going to deal in good faith with them?


Why would Walker be so concerned about what impression David Koch might form, from hearing a news report? What hold does that out of state billionair have over Scot Walker?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 23, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: "Well, to me, it wouldn't, but I'm not a Conservative, so I don't have the faintest clue how the minds of you people work given the nutbag things you guys say and believe and support."

So, your prejudices explain your bizarre assumptions.

Well, hopefully, over time, you'll work on that. First step is, after all, admitting that you've got a problem.

:-D

@Alex3: "Though when you hear the conversation, especially towards the end, you have to wonder how gullible is Walker?"

Extremely.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

So, your prejudices explain your bizarre assumptions.

Not a prejudice. More like a judice if that's a real word.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 23, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Walker---RESIGN

Posted by: fairness3 | February 23, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

pragmatic, kumicho: thanks!

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Another from the "what is wrong with these people" department:

(Texas) state Rep. Lois Kolkhorst (R) has introduced a bill that, to its credit, is certainly original. Kolkhorst’s legislation would allow local law enforcement officials to drop off undocumented immigrants at the doorstep of any U.S. senator or representative.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/02/23/texas-immigration-kolkhorst/

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 23, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: "Not a prejudice. More like a judice if that's a real word."

You make broad assumptions about distinct individuals based on what arbitrary group or class you assign them to. To whit: prejudice. You prejudge an individual based not on their behavior, but on the behavior of others who share certain characteristic with that person, then you are, by definition, pre-judging.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"How was the ACORN tape edited to alter the truth? "

For starters, neither Giles nor O'Keefe actually dressed up as pimp and prostitute while visiting/talking with ACORN staff. Those clips of them in the costumes were edited in to make it appear that they were dressed that way while visiting ACORN.

For another the unedited video has never been released and four separate investigations have concluded the tapes released were heavily edited. We really don't know how those conversations went down, why the people involved said some of the apparently bad things they said.

At least 1 of the victims of this scam did contact the police (before the films were released) despite appearing to cooperate while on film.

Another was so clearly joking and not taking Giles/O'Keefe seriously. Unprofessional perhaps but she was right, they weren't for real.

Posted by: Scientician | February 23, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I actually find these tapes pretty pathetic. Walker is so eager to please and to answer any and every question. One of the comments that struck me most was his response when Fake Koch said he'd call the Democrat Walker had been in touch with. Walker said not to, that the guy "wasn't one of us."

In your dreams, Scott Walker. Koch will be more than happy to use you, but you'll never get into the club.

Posted by: AllButCertain | February 23, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"You make broad assumptions about distinct individuals based on what arbitrary group or class you assign them to. To whit: prejudice. You prejudge an individual based not on their behavior, but on the behavior of others who share certain characteristic with that person, then you are, by definition, pre-judging.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis"

No, judging. You guys essentially always say and think the exact same things. It's like if I see a random person and assume that his heart is on the right side of his chest. Yeah, it's not true of EVERYONE, but it's a pretty safe assumption.

I mean, if I have to obtain a chest x-ray on every patient before I try and listen to his heart on the left side to not be prejudiced, then fine, call me prejudiced.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 23, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

@ABC- "I actually find these tapes pretty pathetic. Walker is so eager to please and to answer any and every question"


I can't decide if Walker sounds more like a son trying to please his father or a nerd trying to prove he's cool to the most popular kid in school.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 23, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: "No, judging. You guys essentially always say and think the exact same things."

Well, I'm pretty sure we don't. Some people do. Some people who wear red shirts also like the same brand of beer. Turns out, others don't.

But, again, I've found trying to rationally walk somebody down from their prejudices is like trying to explain "wet" to a fish.

"Oh, I'm not prejudiced, I just know group x is shiftless and lazy!"

Oh, well! Shame on me for confusing you with a prejudiced person, then.

:)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Oh, well! Shame on me for confusing you with a prejudiced person, then.

:)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis"

And I guess I should just ignore your post on the other thread saying that people have absolutely no reason to criticize Sarah Palin.

Um, yeah. A bastion of Independent Thought you people are.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 23, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

@prag-

The Texas Lege is great entertainment. Too bad Molly's not around...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 23, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@prag-

The Texas Lege is great entertainment. Too bad Molly's not around...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 23, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD: "And I guess I should just ignore your post on the other thread saying that people have absolutely no reason to criticize Sarah Palin."

You should go read it again. I didn't say that. You may not agree with me, re: Sarah Palin circa 2008, but I didn't say people have absolutely not reason to criticize Sarah Palin. But sometimes I see members of "group x" loitering around the street sign, or sitting around doing nothing on the front porch, in the middle of the day.

Lazy. Shiftless. Not prejudice! Just facts.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

This is interesting regarding the fake sick notes for protesters being written by doctors (that is actually illegal):

http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/02/scrubbing-has-begun.html

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@claw: "This is interesting regarding the fake sick notes for protesters being written by doctors (that is actually illegal):"

And some of them appeared on TV while doing it.

And of course it's illegal. Did any of them really think it wasn't?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | February 23, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Walker correctly notes that there's nothingon the call that he hasn't said in public. Good job!

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/Scott-walker-im-not-going-to-allow-one-prank-phone-call-distract-us-from-the-job-we-have-to-do/

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Here we have a sitting governor of the state of Wisconsin conversing with someone he owes an allegiance to and agreeing on unconscionable acts of behavior that would get anyone else put in jail.

What is important to understand is not that this call was a fake, but that this governor has given over his alliegiance to a non Wisconsin owner of a business that would benefit if Unions were outlawed in that state. This governor has sold his job to the highest bidder.

Undoubtedly he should be watched until he actually commits the act that will get him removed from office. That means anyone who is near him should be ready to document what they see that is illegal, unethical, or immoral.

Given what we've seen thus far from Tea Party individuals, they think they are immune from behavior standards. Now that the public knows what he is, he will be under the microscope. He will get more and more uncomfortable and somewhere along the line, he will make a mistake that his warped thinking does not recognize as a mistake. Then he will be kaput.

So if he thinks he is home free by bragging how he says the same thing in public that he says in private, perhaps someone should advise him that what he said in private shows his colors and that NOW the constituency knows that he sold out to a rich guy from Kansas, they can take the steps necessary to remove him or to control him. I predict it won't take long if he is as schitzophrenic as the other Tea Party players. If this adjective doesn't cause my reader to recognize the link between Arizona and the Koch Brothers' Tea Party, then read up on the purchase they made on the Supreme Court by offering Virginia Thomas a job in the Tea Party and then offered her husband, the Justice, a free vacation at a resort where they were holding Tea Party advisory meetings... and he took part. He also did not recuse himself when the vote on corporate contributions to political campaigns came to the court.

The Koch brothers have bought themselves the ability to contribute (buy) votes and governing positions in states where they have commercial intentions... and they don't care who else gets profit, but they want to maximize their profit.

And who do you think gets to give up their raise, their vacation, their collective bargaining rights, their pensions, their healthcare, their promotions.... to line the pockets of the Koch brothers.!!! Anyone standing in the way of what they want. They don't care about the statehouse workers, but the precedent would hold against the folks who work in the business holdings owned by the Koch brothers in Wisconsin... the UNIONIZED. And you better bet that they are well on their way in Ohio and other states trying to bust the unions... all as a means of making it seem normal for where they want to take Wisconsin.

We are a nation of laws and certain unalienable rights that the Koch brothers should not be able to sunder by buying governors and legislative seats in DC.

Posted by: janieliza | February 23, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

janieliza, by all means please quote Walker's words regarding any act agreed upon that you think would get anyone else put in jail. I actually agree with you about "We are a nation of laws" though.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Here is an interesting tidbit found on the comment section of the Cap Times blog site from Madison under the comments to--Capitol Report: Reach of Koch brothers continues into Wisconsin-- Just read the comments section and you might learn something very very interesting. Dont't know if it is true but if true it has some far reaching implications!

Posted by: HarveyHefflenbecher | February 23, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Again, once you can cite to some actual Wisconsin statute you think that Gov. Walker violated, let me know.

In the meantime, just calm down. Have a Koch and a smile : )

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If you still don't 'get it' then read this article which spells it out meticulously in the Cap Times blog----

Vital Signs: Media hones in on Koch brothers and Walker's proposal to sell state energy plants

Posted by: HarveyHefflenbecher | February 23, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

More from Gov. Walker today: "It's not [a] campaign. What we're talking about right now, we're free to discuss with people all across the states who are interested in this issue . . . I don't hide in another state. I'm here doing my job pointing out the facts."

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

So much for the left's accusations that Walker and the Koch brothers are bosom buddies. Kinda pathetic that this kind of straw gets the kind of hand-slapping fight that a legitimate issue should get. You lefties really are bankrupt, aren't you?

Posted by: JW13 | February 23, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

JW13, yes they are.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@JW13... He took the call, didn't he. Actually talked for TWENTY minutes to faux Koch.
Can't help it if Walker is an idiot. He didn't even graduate college.
DumbF**k Tea Party. Walker is so pwnd.
This is too delicious for words. Sorry you're so apoplectic.

Posted by: lenegal77 | February 23, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

What is most disturbing is that the left thinks that this prank is acceptable. Can you imagine the outrage and claims of dirty tricks that would be posted on this board if it had been a Dem? Hypocrits.

Posted by: bethg1841 | February 23, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

We all know now that Walker is one helluva Koch sucker.

Posted by: lenegal77 | February 23, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

@JW13... He took the call, didn't he. Actually talked for TWENTY minutes to faux Koch.
Can't help it if Walker is an idiot. He didn't even graduate college.
DumbF**k Tea Party. Walker is so pwnd.
This is too delicious for words. Sorry you're so apoplectic.

Posted by: lenegal77 | February 23, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

What is most disturbing is that the left thinks that this prank is acceptable. Can you imagine the outrage and claims of dirty tricks that would be posted on this board if it had been a Dem? Hypocrits.
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The word is spelled hypocrites.
Imagine if Obama too a twenty minute call for someone claiming to be George Soros, having no clue that it wasn't because his ego is so huge, babbling on and on and on, and that call was recorded and spread all over the Internet.
Walker shoulda gotten that college degree. Just sayin.

Posted by: lenegal77 | February 23, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

There is a war going on folks. Am I the only one who watched Robocop? Seriously! The corporations are waging a class war against the workers. Rise up workers before the USA is turned into a corporate police state!

Posted by: meowomon | February 23, 2011 7:27 PM | Report abuse

There is a war going on folks. Am I the only one who watched Robocop? Seriously! The corporations are waging a class war against the workers. Rise up workers before the USA is turned into a corporate police state!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Consider being the corporation.
It isn't that hard to DBA yourself and change your title to Consultant and get a job doing what you know how to do.
They will of course contract you because you take care of your own taxes and healthcare and retirement plans.

Why continue down a path as a bolt or a brick?

Posted by: dottydo | February 23, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a rube. Walker couldn't wait to swallow the hook as soon as the bait hit the water. This is like a realtime WikiLeaks.

Posted by: Natmeister | February 23, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

the bill comes down to union busting-unions keep the collective bargaining rights they'll take the paycuts
does anyone else remember that rescue in the Hudson a few years back- it worked because all of those folks were union employees whose unions had made sure they had the training and knowledge they needed- loved this in case you missed it to further the point:

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/16/this-miracle-brought-to-you-by-americas-unions/

Posted by: kbryer | February 23, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Yo claw

Wisconsin Statutes 946.10 - Bribery of public officers and employees

946.10(2)
(2) Any public officer or public employee who directly or indirectly accepts or offers to accept any property or any personal advantage, which the officer or employee is not authorized to receive, pursuant to an understanding that the officer or employee will act in a certain manner in relation to any matter which by law is pending or might come before the officer or employee in the officer's or employee's capacity as such officer or employee or that the officer or employee will do or omit to do any act in violation of the officer's or employee's lawful duty.

and to show were Gov Walker has violated said law.
FAKE KOCH: Well, I'll tell ya what, Scott. Once you crush these bastards, I'll fly ya out to Cali and really show you a good time.

WALKER: Alright. That would be outstanding. Thanks for all the support and helping us move the cause forward.

He admits to accepting a bribe from the fake Koch, openly admitting to being to accepting something of personal gain in benefit to a cause of law.

Posted by: Falling4Ever | February 23, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

LOL! A bribe? You do realize that it wasn't really David Koch on the phone, right? How is the Governor "not authorized" to go to Cali? Does this mean that the Governator cannot go to Wisconsin. Doesn't he just have to disclose gifts over a certain amount? Nice try though. Next you are going to claim that "a good time" really was regarding a prostitute.

Also, what is a "cause of law"? Does that have anything to do with "accepts", "understanding" or "act"? Try reading the annotations to that law if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

DA bribe is a bribe by any definition. He would be going to Cali on the person's dime as long as the law goes for their favor. Too bad you have your head up the wrong side of an elephant to prove otherwise.

Posted by: Falling4Ever | February 23, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

By the way, wouldn't "openly admits to accepting a bribe" look much more like "I hereby accept your bribe, Mr. Koch"?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 23, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Under the more stringent federal bribery statute, there are at least some additional issues to be looked at (which I am sure someone in the US Attorneys office in Madison has done). I would still argue that there is no quid pro quo, nor the level of specificity required for a "sting" operation. Try reading this case:

http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/FE7AFD83450F53F685257814005A9057/$file/09-3070-1286739.pdf

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 24, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse

What a nonstory. This clod (who wrote a lovely piece entitled "F*** the Troops" a few years back) does something unethical to entrap the Governor and it turns out the Governor says the sames things in private that he says in public.

Liberal scum have no lower limits to how low they will sink.

Posted by: standard_guy | February 24, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know. It looks to me like the rich have already won. We in the working middle class are ready to kill each other, because of people like Scott Walker and John Boehner and Darrell Issa.

If Walker gets his way in Wisconsin, do you really think the private sector won't follow suit? They will point to his example for justification to start crushing unions from coast to coast.

And after that, they will start going after the laws, regulations, and agencies that were set up to protect workers. Because with every triumph, they will feel newly emboldened.

But I'm not merely speculating. After Reagan fired the PATCO people for their illegal strike in 1981 (and yes, it WAS most certainly illegal), the private sector began an unprecedented union busting campaign. Don't take my word for it. Go look it up.

Posted by: Joe_the_fed | February 25, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

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