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Posted at 4:50 PM ET, 02/17/2011

Missing Wisconsin Dem speaks: We're MIA until GOP drops assault on workers rights

By Greg Sargent

I just got off the phone with Wisconsin State Senator Chris Larson, one of the Democrats who has left the capitol in order to stall the GOP's plan to rolll back the bargaining rights of public employees. Speaking to me by cell phone from an undisclosed location, Larson said he and his fellow Democrats would not return until the GOP takes its assault on organizing rights "off the table."

"Each of us is in a secure location," he told me, confirming that they were not all together but were monitoring events on the Web and on Twitter. Larson refused to say whether he and his fellow Dems had left the state, as some have speculated.

"We're going to be staying away until we hear that they are taking the right to organize seriously," Larson continued, referring to Republicans. "They're going after 50 years of history in one week. Until they take that off the table, it's a non-starter."

Larson said Dems are not worried about law enforcement pursuing them and dragging them back to the capitol. Though the current proposal exempts state police, he said that individual officers had privately expressed solidarity with the Dems' and public employees' cause.

"They understand the importance of workers banded together to protect workers rights," Larson said, characterizing his conversations with officers. "They understand why we're here."

Dems will not return, Larson vowed, "until the Republicans are prepared to listen to the effects of this bill on workers and what it will do to our state."

By Greg Sargent  | February 17, 2011; 4:50 PM ET
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Republicans poo the bed again. Turn it into a circus, great idea.
If they want to get involved in the politics that help America, Republicans better understand how to work well with others.
I think Reagan firing the Air Traffic Controllers is their model, but that is the problem with being conservative. Sure everything that happened then informs what happens now, but you can't just go back in time and have things be like they were.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 17, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps we are now seeing why some Republicans have recently being talking about abolishing child labor laws.

They are probably planning on using school children to teach each other in the class rooms, once Teachers have been driven out of the system.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

WTG, WI Dems. If only Obama had a fraction of your backbone.

Posted by: solsticebelle | February 17, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

So does someone know the rules that make hiding successful? Why can't Dems simply be there and not vote? And if they aren't there, can't they just not be counted, like in the US Congress?

Posted by: DDAWD | February 17, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Here is my advice for the WI Democrats: stay away. Stay away long enough for the money to run out. The when the state gummint shuts down, and nobody notices except the public nipple suckers, you'll be in a great position to defend your behavior.

That should work real well. Shut er down. Let the people see just how little value they get for their tax dollars. That will make the next election even more fun.

Oh and I love the fact that the WI Dems are standing in support of the thugs who are bankrupting the state. How nice.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 17, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Right wingers dont mind courting the apocalypse. The whole "takes a few broken eggs to make an omlette" mentality is nauseating

Posted by: bigwillistyle1 | February 17, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Skippy, aren't you supposed to back in The Cuckoo Nest?

You better get back on your meds, before Nurse Ratchet drills into your addled skull.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD: "Why can't Dems simply be there and not vote? And if they aren't there, can't they just not be counted, like in the US Congress?"

If you mean Wisconsin, a vote can't be taken unless 20 Senators are present to form a quorum. There are 19 GOP senators. They need 1 Dem to be on the floor for a vote to be taken at all. So the Senate is effectively shut down until at least 1 Dem returns.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

They should bring in scab senators.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 17, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

A great Labor Protest song; well actually more of a labor lament.

An Ordinary Man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsmAMKUIXbE

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

They should bring in scab senators.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 17, 2011 5:17 PM

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No thanks, we have too many Republicans already.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, these are DEMOCRATS who are refusing to show up for work in the State Legislature, not Republicans.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

So let me see if I have this right....these state Senators are "hiding" rather than participate in the legislative process they were elected to contribute to....who thought this was a good idea?

Posted by: marcon | February 17, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"Dems will not return, Larson vowed, "until the Republicans are prepared to listen to the effects of this bill on workers and what it will do to our state.""

The Republicans are perfectly fine with listening to the effects of this bill on workers and what it will do to Wisconsin, and then having a vote on the bill.

Does anyone know if there are rules that govern when a seat can be declared vacant or abandoned in Wisconsin if the Democrats are gone for say six months to a year?

I wonder how Greg's posts would have read if the Republicans had pulled a similar stunt to block the Health Care Law a year ago.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

It's a Filibuster. You Tea Bag Nuts loved it, when The Republicans were doing it, so suck on it now, all you stupid Koch Suckers, who enrolled in the Dick Armey.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

jnc4p: "I wonder how Greg's posts would have read if the Republicans had pulled a similar stunt to block the Health Care Law a year ago."

No quorum was needed on ACA. No Reptiles voted for the bill.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"wonder how Greg's posts would have read if the Republicans had pulled a similar stunt to block the Health Care Law a year ago."

They did. It's just that there were enough Dems to overcome the filibuster.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 17, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still "It's a Filibuster. You Tea Bag Nuts loved it, when The Republicans were doing it, so suck on it now, all you stupid Koch Suckers, who enrolled in the Dick Armey."

It's actually one step beyond a filibuster. A filibuster blocks action on one specific bill. No quorum means no legislative business gets done at all, a literal shut down.

Keep in mind that any tactic the Democrats legitimize to block or shut down the government, the Republicans will return 10 fold.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The state is not "bankrupt". In fact, there isn't even a fiscal crisis, as Walker claims. http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf - this non-partisan government budget report shows that in fact, Wisconsin has a budget SURPLUS - or would, if not for Walker's pork for his contributors and cronies.

Posted by: awashburn | February 17, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Dwight Collins, I'm with you.

Wisconsin Democratic legislators FOUND at Best Western Clock Tower Resort in Rockford, Illinois.

Go get 'em!

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The state is not "bankrupt". In fact, if not for Walker's pork for his contributors and cronies, we'd have a surplus, according to the non-partisan government budget report, which can be found here: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf

Posted by: awashburn | February 17, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how Greg's posts would have read if the Republicans had pulled a similar stunt to block the Health Care Law a year ago.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 5:21 PM
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Idiot. The posts would have read: "Health Care Reform passes overwhelmingly" -- because the House and Senate only require a simple majority for a quorum. Ha!

Posted by: bearclaw1 | February 17, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"It's actually one step beyond a filibuster. A filibuster blocks action on one specific bill. No quorum means no legislative business gets done at all, a literal shut down."

What if the Republicans filibustered nearly every single bill not to mention countless confirmations for judicial and other appointments?

If the GOP doesn't want to negotiate with the Dems, they should have won more seats. Frankly, the people of Wisconsin don't want fascism shoved down their throats.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 17, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

It's actually one step beyond a filibuster. A filibuster blocks action on one specific bill. No quorum means no legislative business gets done at all, a literal shut down.

Keep in mind that any tactic the Democrats legitimize to block or shut down the government, the Republicans will return 10 fold.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 5:25 PM |

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Fine. So be it. There comes a time when taking a stand for the rights of downtrodden workers, is more important, than just going through the motions, and allowing the Agents of The Oligarchs to destroy the American Working Class.

Hosni Mubarak did not care for the shut down in Cairo, anymore than Hosni Walker does in Madison.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

@bearclaw1 "I wonder how Greg's posts would have read if the Republicans had pulled a similar stunt to block the Health Care Law a year ago.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 5:21 PM
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Idiot. The posts would have read: "Health Care Reform passes overwhelmingly" -- because the House and Senate only require a simple majority for a quorum. Ha!"

Did not know that. Proves the writers of the U.S. Constitution had more foresight than those that wrote the one in Wisconsin.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

So Republicans don't have a simple majority?

Posted by: DDAWD | February 17, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea for ending the violent demonstrations in Tahrir Square, Madison, WI.

Call out the national guard. But instead of firearms, give them cameras. Take photos of the protestors. Match those photos to records held at their place of employment, that is the state.

then deny the protestors their wages for the days the spent protesting instead of working.

Basically the tax payers of wisconsin are PAYING the union thugs who are trying to shake them down.

The state employees can take to the streets because their benefits packages are so sweet they have beaucoup paid time off. So they use it to demand that the tax payers of the state give them more paid time off.

Once the state refuses to pay employees who protested, they'll go back to work.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 17, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

@skip-

Why do you hate your neighbors so much for wanting decent pay and benefits?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

@DDAWD "So Republicans don't have a simple majority?"

In Wisconsin, according to what I've read they do, but apparently the quorum requirement is higher than a simple majority in the Wisconsin Senate.

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2011/02/17/senate-still-short-of-a-quorum-for-vote.html

According to firedoglake, they require 3/5ths present for a quorum to discuss budget matters.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/02/17/wisconsin-senate-democrats-walk-out-threaten-quorum-on-public-employee-bill/

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD: "So Republicans don't have a simple majority?"

They do, but it doesn't matter. They need 20 Senators present on the floor in order to hold votes. There are 19 Gooper and 14 Dems, but without 20 present, there is no quorum.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Skippy,

Wants to send t Goons into the crowds just like Hosni did in Cairo.

Skippy loves the idea of having An American Police State.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD - while undoubtedly the majority of Republicans are simple, what jnc4p said.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

@skip-

Lovely to see your true KGB side come out! I knew you had it in you.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Skippy's getting all foamy. Ewwww...

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

How sad it is to be from a state where we have teachers teaching our children to #1 lie when you want to get out of work, #2 screw the system because of them so many others are now missing work, #3 kick and scream until you get what you want, #4 show the world you really were not that committed to the children of this great State. We have some wonderful teachers who are truly committed to the kids, and understand these actions hurt honest, hard working families who live in the real world. Those in Madison are not any of them. Those kids don't even know why they are there or who the DUDE is that they are trying to stop. Then of course we have those brave souls - the Democrats - who are so scared to face the people of WI that they jump the short bus, licking the windows and peeing themselves as they hightail it out of town. This is exactly what that party wants - riots in the streets - now get back in town and deal with it - these are your people Dem's - deal with them. And tell me - do you really think they are worth the salaries and benefits they are getting? They are disgraceful. Wait until all those kids who have no idea what they are doing realize they have to make these days up!

Posted by: onlyinwi | February 17, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Basically the tax payers of wisconsin are PAYING the union thugs who are trying to shake them down.

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Wait, are the "thugs" using vacation time or sick time to protest or are they just getting paid even though they are protesting?

It's awesome to see how much skip loves the 1st amendment.

Posted by: ashotinthedark | February 17, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"Wisconsin Democratic legislators FOUND at Best Western Clock Tower Resort in Rockford, Illinois.
Go get 'em!"

I say - "Welcome to the not so great state of Illinois." So , since the state cops can't cross the state line to "Go get em", what are you going to do Mr. Hard Guy, go out and get em with your cap pistol?
What a tool!

Posted by: filmnoia | February 17, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Its all a great union conspiracy to skip-

All the protesters *must* be State employees, right? Apparently, *only* a protester can be a state employee. He can't wrap his brain around the possibility that others have a dog in this hunt...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The bloated, bureaucrat budget is a good place to start.

Hooray for the Wisconsin GOP.

Overpaid bureaucrats with overly lavish pensions is but one of the problems of bankrupt states but a good place to start.

Posted by: battleground51 | February 17, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Cowardly Obamacrats!!

Can't take the heat.

Posted by: battleground51 | February 17, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"onlyinwi"

Skippy, you're missing twin has been found!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Overpaid bureaucrats with overly lavish pensions is but one of the problems of bankrupt states but a good place to start."

I wonder if the GOP legislators in WI are willing to take a pay hit?

Posted by: filmnoia | February 17, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, Skippy was l pissed of at The Government for telling him he could not have Incandescent Light Bulbs.

Today Skippy is all for The Government taking away the rights of workers to keep their pensions and salaries, which were negotiated and signed off on by both the Unions and the employers.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

@battleground-

"Overpaid"? You're starting to sound like one of those librul socialists. Who and how are you going to determine what that means?

Lord have mercy, Obama gets villified for suggesting that CEOs are raking in too much and nary a peep was heard from Teanut Gallery.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

So who is the "party of no" now? Come now Democrats, let's all decry the lack of bipartisanship. You have to laugh at the clowns from both parties. Unfortunately the citizens suffer when legislators can't get together to balance budgets and do the rest of the people's business (unless banning tobacco juice in ball parks is your idea of the people's business).

Posted by: sscritic | February 17, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

There's really a simple reason why skippy and others of his ilk can so casually suggest that tactics of state oppression should be used with the union members.

It's because they don't respect work. Back as late as the 60s and 70s, most people were supportive of others who worked hard in ordinary jobs - because they themselves worked hard, and they had a respect for work. Back then, no politician would have dared suggest that hard-working people were layabout leeches simply because they were organized.

These days, it's a daily talking point for the GOP and their mindless drones like skippy to denigrate people who actually work hard and produce things of tangible value, because they all know the John Galts who sit atop mountains of cash are the REAL producers.

Which brings us back to why they hate unions. Striking workers quickly reveal the hollow lie of John Galt's "productivity" when the people who actually MAKE the widgets that generate John Galt's mountain of cash stop making the widgets. Then John Galt's mountain stops growing, and starts shrinking. Which is odd; according to GOP theory, once John Galt is free of the parasitical worker leeches who are sucking him dry, as one of the few actual "producers", you'd expect him to REALLY start raking in the cash.

Funny how it doesn't work that way. And if too many people figure out this most simple conclusion, which they are more apt to do when given concrete examples of how things work in reality, the GOP agenda for coddling our Galtian overlords becomes a much harder sell.

That's why Republicans hate unions. Well, that plus they have a big need for lots of people to hate.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

We can't afford the greedy Oligarchs that have captured almost all of the wealth of the nation, and just sat on it, after Bush brought about a Great Economic Crash.

Organized labor did not cause the Wall St. Meltdown. It was The Republican's Puppet Masters.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

filmnoia, I don't gave any "cap" pistols, nor do I live in Wisconsin. I was telling Dwight Collins, or anyone who does live in the area, to effectuate a citizens arrest, drive said Dem to Beloit, and call the Wisconsin State Patrol to pick him / her up. We only need one Representative returned alive.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

The American Oligarch's have Outsourced The American Work Ethic, and are trying to replace it with Their Plantation Owners' Work Ethic.

Break your backs from dawn 'til dusk, for free.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it the job of the Dems (and Republicans) to vote on bills? Do they think they can void the whole thing, because if they're not there, it won't count?
'Typical of Dems forcing their way on the majority - I read they were at resorts, on the tax payers dime, probably.

Posted by: MissButterfly | February 17, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Senator Dementia Strikes Again:

From TPM

"Our Ryan Reilly headed over to today's meeting of the DC chapter of the Federalist Society, where Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) was the featured speaker. This line from Ryan's dispatch caught my eye: "Americans are 'on our knees in front of China for credit,' DeMint told the mostly conservative attendees feasting on fried rice and fortune cookies at Tony Chang's restaurant in the Chinatown section of D.C.""

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Whenever I hear the term, "worker" I think of communist Russia but that is in line with the thinking of liberals today.....

There was a time when unions were needed but the way unions are managed today in the protection of bad employees, inflated wages and retirement packages. It makes the products they produce unaffordable to buy or even manufacture in this country.

The teachers union has destroyed our educational system by protecting bad teachers and introducing politically correct experimental education.

I also want to know how federal or state employees have unions that can donate to political candidates? Conflict of interest?

Posted by: SW38 | February 17, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Skip...what are you talking about? Wisconsin's state budget had a $123 B surplus until the newly elected governor lowered the corporate tax rate & then, boom....budget crisis.

I have no problem with conservatives except those who make things up and act like it justifies their position. It doesn't. It only makes you look foolish.

Posted by: kindness1 | February 17, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Lowlife scum. Remember, "Elections have consequences"? Like your Savior said, "We Won." Deal with it like adults, you pathetic leeches.

Posted by: bugmenot3 | February 17, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course, make sure you have the right person, preferably by photo ID:

http://bayviewcompass.com/archives/4914

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

@bugmenot-

"Leeches", "lowlife scum". So much for that respectful discourse, eh?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Wait until all those kids who have no idea what they are doing realize they have to make these days up!

Posted by: onlyinwi | February 17, 2011 5:45 PM |

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You pathetic hypocrite. The Unions signed contracts in good faith. It is your Governor; Hosni Muibarak Walker who does not want to to live up to the agreement.

Have him explain to the children why he wanted to not have the state keep it's side of the contract.

Teachers have ever right to boycott this effort to enslave them.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess the students are 'lowlife scum', as well?

http://www.truth-out.org/wisconsin-crowds-swell-30000-key-gop-legislators-waver67882

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Well, alright!!

"DNC Expands Role In Labor Protests To Ohio, Indiana"

WASHINGTON -- Building on the momentum in Wisconsin, where tens of thousands of protesters have turned out to oppose Republican Gov. Scott Walker's effort to strip collective-bargaining rights from the state's public-employee unions, President Barack Obama's campaign organization is mobilizing its followers in Ohio and Indiana, where similar measures are being considered.

Thousands descended upon the Ohio statehouse Thursday to protest a bill that would eliminate collective-bargaining rights for state employees and curtail the rights of local-level government employees. The debate is similar to that in Wisconsin: Supporters say it's necessary to deal with budget problems, while opponents say it's nothing but a vicious assault on unions.

Now folded into the Democratic National Committee, Obama's campaign group Organizing For America is already actively engaged in Wisconsin and is beginning to ramp up organizing efforts in Ohio, though observers say the latter process is about a week behind that in Wisconsin. The group is also beginning to dig into Indiana, whose legislature is considering a bill to limit collective bargaining by teachers.

A DNC staffer told The Huffington Post that the group upped its efforts in Wisconsin after Chairman Tim Kaine spoke with local legislators last week. OFA then began organizing turnout for Thursday's statehouse rally and running phone banks in Ohio targeting state senators, which are slated to continue next week. This weekend, organizers have set up door-to-door canvassing in key districts that they hope will likewise put pressure on swing lawmakers.

OFA National Deputy Director Jeremy Bird said volunteers first alerted the group to the contested Ohio legislation. "The energy is pretty remarkable," he told The Huffington Post. "People started to contact us, and they'd call our office and our volunteers, and say, 'This is a big deal. This is going to affect my family.' ... That started to really simmer earlier this week in Ohio, and it's starting to pick up the pace."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/dnc-expands-mobilization-protests-ohio-indiana_n_824743.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

David Obey tells it straight:

From TPM

"Former Rep. David Obey (D-WI), a 41-year veteran of the House, the former chairman of the Appropriations Committee and an icon in Wisconsin politics, assailed Gov. Scott Walker for engaging in "political thuggery" and accused him of channeling toppled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak before his fall.

"All I know is that last week, when people were asking where Mubarak was -- whether he had gone to Sharm el-Sheikh or Paris -- I was saying he was ensconced in the governor's mansion in Madison," Obey said in a telephone interview with TPM.

"I think what Gov. Walker is trying to do amounts to political thuggery," Obey continued. "It is one thing to say that these are tough times -- everybody's got to cut back and public employees are going to have to take cuts like the rest of us ... but he's using it as an excuse to gut the ability of workers to organize and bargain collectively. In my view that's outrageous -- and what is especially outrageous is his demand that the legislature pass this in a week's time."

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Chris Larson must still be in Wisconsin:

http://plixi.com/p/78134806

Cant the State troopers identify where this picture was taken? If he's talking via CELL PHONE to Greg Sargent, it can't be that difficult to get a warrant for the cell tower info.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Aw, Claw-

I'd like to introduce you to Comrade Skip.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Public sector workers now enjoy significantly higher salaries, benefits, and job security than private sector workers. And on top of this, the organizations they work for have no competition to outwork and no bosses trying to squeeze them to increase profits. Public sector workers just have to dodge bureaucratic bullets, the slings and arrows of political correctness, and an increasingly whiney public. Hardly a problem since their unions convert their dues into campaign contributions and “campaign volunteers” that they know will put their friends in office 7 years out of 10 and convince their enemies to look for scapegoats in the 3 bad years.

I walked the streets for George McGovern. I despised Ronald Reagan. I delighted Obama was elected. But collective bargaining with public employees guarantees that democratic socialism in America is dead.

Posted by: edmass | February 17, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Former Rep. David Obey (D-WI) must have already forgotten every Pelosi and Reid passed during the lame duck session a few months ago.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

edmass: "Public sector workers now enjoy significantly higher salaries, benefits, and job security than private sector workers."

And your evidence of this is ....?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

"Leeches", "lowlife scum". So much for that respectful discourse, eh?
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Just as much as you and every other Statist deserves.

Posted by: bugmenot3 | February 17, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Look at Claw/JakeD unleashing his inner Jackbooted Thug.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

David Obey tells it straight:

From TPM

"Former Rep. David Obey (D-WI), a 41-year veteran of the House, the former chairman of the Appropriations Committee and an icon in Wisconsin politics, assailed Gov. Scott Walker for engaging in "political thuggery" and accused him of channeling toppled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak before his fall.

"All I know is that last week, when people were asking where Mubarak was -- whether he had gone to Sharm el-Sheikh or Paris -- I was saying he was ensconced in the governor's mansion in Madison," Obey said in a telephone interview with TPM.

"I think what Gov. Walker is trying to do amounts to political thuggery," Obey continued. "It is one thing to say that these are tough times -- everybody's got to cut back and public employees are going to have to take cuts like the rest of us ... but he's using it as an excuse to gut the ability of workers to organize and bargain collectively. In my view that's outrageous -- and what is especially outrageous is his demand that the legislature pass this in a week's time."

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

So, I'm not going to lie. I'm a little confused. The blog posts on this topic seem to imply that if they could find them, and if they had the will to do so, the state troopers could take these legislators into custody to bringn them back to the legislature. Is that accurate? It seems crazy to me.

Posted by: mobrien83 | February 17, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Chuck? You're defending marching children out to a "don't touch my benefits" rally as human political shields?

The Left: just because you're dead wrong and bankrupting your country, that's no reason not to claim moral authority.

Posted by: bugmenot3 | February 17, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin public versus private employee costs: Why compare apples to oranges?

Inaccurate comparisons of national and Wisconsin public employee compensation with private sector compensation are circulating in Wisconsin. These faulty comparisons, showing that public employees in Wisconsin are dramatically overpaid, seem to support legislative efforts to increase benefit contributions by public employees. These increased benefit contributions would subject them to a pay cut greater than 10% and eliminate their collective bargaining rights.

But when we compare apples to apples, we find that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation than comparable private sector workers. The comparisons—controlling for education, experience, hours of work, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability—demonstrate that full-time state and local public employees earn lower wages and receive less in total compensation (including all benefits) than comparable private sector employees.

Why does it appear otherwise? Both nationally and within Wisconsin, public sector workers are significantly more educated than their private sector counterparts. Nationally, 54% of full-time state and local public sector workers hold at least a four-year college degree, compared with 35% of full-time private sector workers. In Wisconsin, the difference is even greater: 59% of full-time Wisconsin public sector workers hold at least a four-year college degree, compared with 30% of full-time private sector workers.

These stark educational differences arise for two reasons. First, many public employees are professionals and teachers in positions that require higher levels of education. Second, the movement to privatize public sector work has been accomplished in great part by moving low-skilled work from the public to private sector, where benefits are often more modest.

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/PM173/

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Mo,

The Republicans run Wisconsin like the Mubarak regime ran Egypt, so anything is possible.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

edmass - Public sector workers' salaries and benefits vary a great deal from state-to-state. I kind of doubt that the police, firefighters and teachers making on average something in the mid-30K range here in my state are being "overpaid". Rather it is that private sector employees, most of whom have lost collective bargaining rights, are being UNDERpaid, as is evidenced by the 20% increase in productivity from 2000-2008, while workers' wages remained flat.

Something's out of whack there, and making public employees scapegoats and whipping boys isn't going to fix it. Nor is putting even more people's wages and benefits in the crapper going to help the economy in any way.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Just spoke with a friend who is with the Wis. State Patrol. The Dems ARE being looked for and they WILL be clapped irons and dumped on the chamber floor when found.

Posted by: illogicbuster | February 17, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"So, I'm not going to lie. I'm a little confused. The blog posts on this topic seem to imply that if they could find them, and if they had the will to do so, the state troopers could take these legislators into custody to bringn them back to the legislature. Is that accurate? It seems crazy to me."

Yes, they could...if the senators hadn't left the state. WI state troopers don't have jurisdiction outside of WI.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"Marching children out", "human shields", "bankrupting our country"...one can certainly learn alot from language. In fact, someone ought to do a linguistic study of right wing discourse and maybe a nice tag cloud.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_aea2e338-4164-57e7-85e4-2ef5a4e9b25e.html

"Why not just change the name of Wisconsin to “Fitzlandia”?

Seriously.

We’ve got a Fitzgerald family member, Scott, serving as Senate majority leader.

We’ve got a Fitzgerald family member, Scott’s brother Jeff Fitzgerald, serving as Assembly speaker.

And now we’ve got a Fitzgerald family member, their dad Steve, taking over the State Patrol.

Steve Fitzgerald just got the $105,678 State Patrol job and will start his new job on Monday.

Much is being made of Steve Fitzgerald’s law enforcement experience, which is extensive. But it is his political experience that merits note now. Fitzgerald, 68, was elected sheriff of Dodge County in 1988. President Bush appointed him in 2002 as U.S. marshal for western Wisconsin, and reappointed him in 2006 for another four-year term. Then Fitzgerald ran again for Dodge County sheriff but lost in the Republican primary last September to incumbent Todd Nehls.

While the elder Fitzgerald has held law enforcement positions, he has never been associated with the State Patrol. In contrast, another applicant, David Collins, has extensive experience as a State Patrol administrator. In fact, Collins has in recent months served as acting superintendent of the State Patrol. The other four applicants also had extensive experience with the state Department of Transportation, which includes the State Patrol."

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Jenn and Sue-

Bravo!

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 17, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

@claw: "Just spoke with a friend who is with the Wis. State Patrol."

Yeah, sure you did.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Oops, my bad. Our commenter with the convenient friend in the Wisconsin state patrol was not claw, but illogic. Apologies for the error, claw.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

mobrien83, as I understand it (this is from ThinkProgess, so take it with a grain of salt) the Wisconsin State Troopers have been ordered to bring in State Senators.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha ha !!!!!

Libtards are getting MASSIVELY owned!

The unions will fall - liberalism/socialism/progressivism (whatever) is doomed. We've beaten you...and beaten you to a pulp! Love it !!!

Your failed anti-American agenda and your FAILED socialist "president" Barry Soetoro are being swept up as I write this - into the dust bin of history.

I feel your pain liberals.... and I'm reveling in it! I'm bathing in your tears of disappointment and I flat DIG the thought of all your sleepless nights.

I'm smiling... can you tell ?

Posted by: NeoCon1 | February 17, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

The right says, first they came for our light bulbs.
The liberals say, first they came for our light duty.
The left, which no longer exists, would have said, workers of the world should have united while they had the chance.

Liberals have their hands and feet in the trough. You can't go Eugene Debs to score political points. It is all about pay to play.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 17, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Want to know why this is happening? Read this:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/wisconsin-gov-walker-ginned-up-budget-shortfall-to-undercut-worker-rights.php

Posted by: rave2 | February 17, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the troopers have no sympathies with their fellows in local police, and so will break out the bloodhounds posthaste to track down these dastardly Democrats.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

What a wuss. "I'm an elected official and if I don't agree with the outcome of a vote, I won't vote. I'll just run away and hide". - Wisconsin Senator Steve Larson(typical democrat).
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So much for democracy. Sad.

Posted by: drowningpuppies | February 17, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

clawrence, are you thick or what?

The Senators are out of the state. The state troopers only have jurisdiction in WI.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 17, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy HOur Roundup:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/happy_hour_roundup_189.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 17, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin Senate Rule 89: Sergeant to bring in absentees. The clerks shall immediately call the roll of the members, and note the absentees, whose names shall be read, and entered upon the journal in such manner as to show who are absent with leave and who are absent without leave. The clerk shall furnish the sergeant-at-arms with a list of those who are absent without leave, and the sergeant-at-arms shall forthwith proceed to find and bring in such absentees.

We went through the same thing in Texas a few years ago.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Shorter NeoCon:

"Ha ha ha ha!!!! We're all gonna be SERFS!

We WIN!1!!! Suck it, libtards!"

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

suekzoo1, some of them are still hiding in Wisconsin. I also posted above regarding citizens arrest.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"Liberals have their hands and feet in the trough. You can't go Eugene Debs to score political points. It is all about pay to play."

Great comments all. Really provocative! :-)

Same as it ever was. Ask Debs' jailer, Wilson.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 17, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought someone said elections had consequences? Do those Democrat Senators want to shut state down despite the harm it will cause? The People voted and will not like those who are uncivil. No Walker-FDR posters. FDR thought public employee unions were bad idea.

Posted by: PaulV1 | February 17, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Hire some bounty hunters to pursue those out of state senator

Posted by: PaulV1 | February 17, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Hire some bounty hunters to pursue those out of state senator

Posted by: PaulV1 | February 17, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

PaulV1 - great idea, for anyone who wants to be charged with felony kidnapping.

You can't drag people back against their will from out-of-state unless you have charges against them. Otherwise, you've committed a felony.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

@JennOfArk "There's really a simple reason why skippy and others of his ilk can so casually suggest that tactics of state oppression should be used with the union members.

It's because they don't respect work. Back as late as the 60s and 70s, most people were supportive of others who worked hard in ordinary jobs - because they themselves worked hard, and they had a respect for work. Back then, no politician would have dared suggest that hard-working people were layabout leeches simply because they were organized.

These days, it's a daily talking point for the GOP and their mindless drones like skippy to denigrate people who actually work hard and produce things of tangible value, because they all know the John Galts who sit atop mountains of cash are the REAL producers.

Which brings us back to why they hate unions. Striking workers quickly reveal the hollow lie of John Galt's "productivity" when the people who actually MAKE the widgets that generate John Galt's mountain of cash stop making the widgets. Then John Galt's mountain stops growing, and starts shrinking. Which is odd; according to GOP theory, once John Galt is free of the parasitical worker leeches who are sucking him dry, as one of the few actual "producers", you'd expect him to REALLY start raking in the cash.

Funny how it doesn't work that way. And if too many people figure out this most simple conclusion, which they are more apt to do when given concrete examples of how things work in reality, the GOP agenda for coddling our Galtian overlords becomes a much harder sell.

That's why Republicans hate unions. Well, that plus they have a big need for lots of people to hate."

You would have an easier time selling the unions as defenders of "people who actually work hard and produce things of tangible value" if the unions weren't constantly going to the mat to protect the most indefensible among them in such a public manner with things like the jobs bank where autoworkers are paid specifically for not working and the rubber room in New York for teachers who aren't fit to teach, but can't be fired.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08/31/090831fa_fact_brill

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

JennOfArk, you were wrong about me in this thread, above, and you are wrong about kidnapping. State Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald ordered the Wisconsin State Patrol to take Democratic State Senators into custody today.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still "Fine. So be it. There comes a time when taking a stand for the rights of downtrodden workers, is more important, than just going through the motions, and allowing the Agents of The Oligarchs to destroy the American Working Class.

Hosni Mubarak did not care for the shut down in Cairo, anymore than Hosni Walker does in Madison."

The time for "taking a stand for the rights of downtrodden workers" was during the election. As President Obama put it,

"if people now want to take their ball and go home, that tells me folks weren't serious in the first place."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obama-in-command-br-the-rolling-stone-interview-20100928?page=7

Progressives in Wisconsin couldn't even motivate themselves to come out to save an icon such as Russ Feingold from losing in the last election. That shows that they "weren't serious in the first place". Pulling a stunt like "fleeing the state" rather than allow majority rule is a pathetic response.

Regarding the comparisons to Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, they are misplaced. Wisconsin held a free and fair election and the Republicans won. The reactions of the public employee unions in Wisconsin are more like the protests of the public employees in Greece and the students in Great Britain about the loss of their subsidies and grants than those in Egypt about ending 30 years of rule by a dictator.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Sounds very much like Farm subsidies for the likes of Michelle Bachman for not growing any crops.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 17, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

claw - and you have poor reading comprehension. Because A) I clearly said you can't drag someone back across state lines (WI state trooper's authoriTAH ends at the state line) and B) it was in response to a foolish suggestion that "bounty hunters" be dispatched. Who would be guilty of felony kidnapping if they pursued these legislators who have not even been charged with anything, much less jumped bail.

Duh.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

JennOfArk, I read your posts just fine, and I am not the one who thought "illogicbuster" was me ; )

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse


jnc4p you completely miss the point about how destructive TODAY'S unions are and also fail to recognize that many many Americans who are not Repubs ALSO see the shameless nature of public sector unions.... until your last paragraph.

This country is out of money. Public sector unions are obscene. Refuse collectors making 125K , teacher's union officals making 295k , bus drivers making 150K. We've ALL seen it and we're done with unions suckling from the teet of the American taxpayer.

It's over.... get it?

Posted by: NeoCon1 | February 17, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

JennOfArk, bounty hunters do not only operate to capture those who jump bail. Unless these Wisconsin State Senators are in Kentucky (the only U.S. state that prohibits bounty hunters in any form), they could definitely be employed to physically transport State Senators across state lines (I suggested to Beloit), where the State Patrol could take them into custody. A citizens arrest in Illinois would be proper as well.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JennOfArk: "Yeah, sure you did."
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What ARE you babbling about?

Tell us TRUTHFULLY, what drugs are you taking?

Posted by: illogicbuster | February 17, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Chuckie, did you bother reading any of the signs from the leeches in Madison today? Hitler, terrorist, gunsights, you name it.

But of course, on the Left, all "discourse" is permitted.

Scum of the earth, all of you.

Posted by: bugmenot3 | February 17, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

All these wild-eyed Democrats are really stuck in the 60's aren't they? Stickin' to the man, lettin' it all hang out, takin' it to the streets, etc. Hahaha! Fatboy Richard Trumka is pulling their strings like the puppets they are. BigGovernmentBigLabor is dying like a dinosaur; roaring and raging at the uncaring disinterested universe. Darwin's Law of Survival works just fine. Good riddance to bad rubbish. All you Democrats join your Muslim friends on the trash heap of history. Feh!

Posted by: ironmule | February 17, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

claw - you're wrong.

Taking someone into custody without charges or due cause is illegal. Bounty hunters aren't allowed to just go pick people off the streets willy-nilly, or even if the Governor of Wisconsin REALLY, REALLY wants them to come back to the state. You can't forcibly take someone from one state to another without charges or due cause, and "due cause" does not include "because the governor of another state said so."

Tough noogies, dude.

Posted by: JennOfArk | February 17, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Too bad you libtards don't understand economics. And, the first one who gives me that lame "it's Bush's fault" BS might as well admit to being a moron. Give it up. You'll lose!

Posted by: pitboss711 | February 17, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

@JennOfArk "claw - you're wrong.

Taking someone into custody without charges or due cause is illegal. Bounty hunters aren't allowed to just go pick people off the streets willy-nilly, or even if the Governor of Wisconsin REALLY, REALLY wants them to come back to the state. You can't forcibly take someone from one state to another without charges or due cause, and "due cause" does not include "because the governor of another state said so."

Tough noogies, dude"

This sounds like a job for extraordinary rendition.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 17, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the info about the troopers. That is pretty crazy. I wonder what the reaction will be if one of these Senators is forcibly brought into the legislature. I'm guessing all hell breaks loose. Never a dull moment.

Posted by: mobrien83 | February 17, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I never said "because the governor of another state said so." Who is having the reading comprehension problem again?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

mobrien83, as far as I know, there's no requirement for the Wisconsin State Senate to call a quorum in the Capitol building itself. All of the Republican Senators could go to an "undisclosed location" (Rockford, Illinois?) and conduct the vote with one sequestered Democrat.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Clawrence- you're devious. Ever consider a career in politics? Lol

Posted by: mobrien83 | February 17, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Once upon a time, but the highest Office I ever got elected to was Senior Class President.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Chris Larson must still be in Wisconsin:

http://plixi.com/p/78134806

Cant the State troopers identify where this picture was taken? If he's talking via CELL PHONE to Greg Sargent, it can't be that difficult to get a warrant for the cell tower info.

==

snitch

Posted by: caothien9 | February 17, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I prefer the term "law-abiding citizen".

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 17, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The breathless reporting and spectacle of a bunch of pampered public "servants" marching in the street with their socialist propaganda is pathetic, especially when those who've footed the bill are losing their jobs and homes at breakneck speed.

These senators need to haul their butts back into town. The real, working middle class has been decimated, Trickle Up Economics has kicked in and you're out of other people's money. Own it, lovers of socialism.

Posted by: Daisy4125 | February 18, 2011 4:40 AM | Report abuse

pcow

It's not a good decision for state workers. So I agree with anti-union protesters and I supported them. They are crowded for their own rights. So I think Wisconsin Senator must accept their rights.

http://fms.nu/ht8PXC

Go to the link and see exclusive video footage.

Posted by: webcontent2011 | February 18, 2011 5:44 AM | Report abuse

Funny when people use vehement language in posts so incoherent it's impossible to determine which side they're taking.

Posted by: caothien9 | February 18, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Donald Trump needs to pay a visit to Madison. Teachers protesting instead of working: YOU'RE FIRED! Senators fleeing the state to avoid their duty: YOU'RE FIRED!

Democrats don't believe in democracy, or they would show up to vote.

Posted by: mike_w_long | February 18, 2011 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Governor Walker has proposed that in order to avoid FIRING 6000 - 8000 teachers and other government workers they should contribute more to THEIR OWN retirement and pension programs. JUST LIKE THE REST OF US DO. This is the huge outrage they are protesting. Would they rather just lose their jobs?

I say go ahead and start firing people and see how fast the Dems get their butts back to the capital.

Posted by: BigAlli | February 18, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Well thank goodness. Who cares about a democratic vote, or the will of the people, or what the majority want. Election outcomes just mean you must use these tactics to hold the entire state hostage for your demands to be met...

You've got to save the unions their extra large cut of the taxpayer funds, and you're willing to stop the entire state business to do that. How noble of you, to work so hard to defend the excessive largess of your campaign donors.

Democracy is nice; but not when it gets in the way of making special deals for your union supporters... right Democrats?

Looks like they need a new law in Wisconsin. You refuse to do your job; the governor gets to replace you with someone else. No more having a minority hold the entire government hostage until they can get some demands met and get some payoffs and kickbacks to their supporters...

Posted by: gekkobear | February 18, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"assault on organizing rights"

So if you say workers shouldn't have their money taken from them without their input and against their will;' that is an "assault on their rights"?

they have the right to have their paychecks reduced to pay fees for union political donations against their will?

Thank goodness I don't have the "right" to have a union take money out of my paycheck without my approval necessary...

It might help if you at least mentioned the "right" that the Democrats are defending here... the "right" of the worker to have the union take their fees without any input from the worker at any time... that is the "worker's right" that the Democrats are defending.

Anyone want this "right"? You can give me the ability to take some of your paycheck that I can donate to political causes that I choose without any input from you.

Wouldn't you like more "rights"? especially "rights" that Democrats work so hard to defend... I'm sure you would.

Just come sign this piece of paper and I'll start spending your money without your input against your will... to preserve this "right"...

Posted by: gekkobear | February 18, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Right on, brothers and sisters! Power to the people! If only the national Democratic leadership had the guts of this band of 14 legislators who have stood against the onslaughts of both a right wing extremist governor and the mental hiccups of Fools News. Go to Madison, Mr. President, Senators and Congressmen and support the people who put you in office.

Posted by: doolindalton1 | February 18, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

There is just something so sad and pathetic about conservative thinking. . .

Posted by: kittyweese1 | February 18, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This Democrat Petty Despot treads dangerous ground. When a Nation's Factions cease playing by an acknowledged, if unwritten, set of rules, then resort is had to the gun. After Spain endured such a bloodbath during the latter 1930s, it required decades of arbitrary rule by Generalissimo Franco to set custom ahead of cheating as a national characteristic. Chile, "guided" by General Pinochet is a more recent, and less bloody, example. Generals don't make good civilian "Leaders," but sometimes they are all that remains of respectable National Institutions.

Posted by: gjtitus | February 18, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The term "workers rights" is pulled from socialism and communism. the "workers" were oppressed by the bourgeoisie . The correct term is teachers, policeman, firefighters, etc. All of whom are paid by taxpaying citizens (the same people making less than half of a state public worker with less benefits) not paid by a rich, bourgeoisie , CEO. Wake up!!

Posted by: vg_roberts | February 19, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Guess the democrats are not thinking ahead to 2012 because none of them should ever hold another public office!!

Posted by: CayC | February 19, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow, your right Greg. This is almost as bad as when Dems were running around being 9/11 Truther.

It IS pretty funny watching some of these nuts falling for Obie's trick. Withhold the actual birth cert (it IS in the HI records) so that they hang themselves.

Posted by: illogicbuster | February 19, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Liam-still: It's a Filibuster. You Tea Bag Nuts "
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No, it isn't
filibuster: the process or an instance of obstructing legislation by means of long speeches.

And, WHAT does this have to do with crazy homosexuals?

Posted by: illogicbuster | February 19, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Some info:
The senate needs a 3/5 majority to vote. They are one senator short.

Senators cannot be arrested while the legislation is in session, unless they commit a felony.

So, law enforcement could ask them to return to the capitol but could not force them to do so.

This whole thing is tragic. These senators are heroes and I hope they can get Walker to crack.

Posted by: bertnb | February 20, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

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