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Posted at 3:42 PM ET, 02/10/2011

Pelosi vows huge fight against GOP over abortion

By Greg Sargent

Nancy Pelosi's extremely blunt assessments of the true motives of Republicans are why her supporters love her and her enemies hate her with equal passion, and on a conference call with bloggers just now, she unleashed a slashing attack on the House GOP's new anti-abortion push that may churn up emotions on both sides.

Pelosi -- who promised a huge fight against House Republicans over the issue in the days ahead -- didn't hold back one bit, claiming the new legislative push by Republicans "disrespects the judgment of American women."

"I don't know if they ever give that a thought," she added.

Pelosi described the GOP push as the "most radical assault" on women's reproductive rights "in our lifetimes." And she was equally blunt in her assessment of right-wing assaults on family planning.

"They are at a different philosophical place," she said, characterizing their view as: "all engagement has to result in a child." Pelosi noted that contraception and family planning is "not consistent with their belief that it's all about procreation."

House Republicans have begun work on two bills that would dramatically restrict financing of and access to abortions. They are also looking to zero out funding for Title X, a decades-old program providing federal funds to family planning and reproductive health, which would be a hard hit to Planned Parenthood.

Pelosi indicated that the House Dem Pro-Choice Caucus, which numbers more than 150, would fan out in their communities and argue that Republicans are pushing an extreme agenda that would decimate women's reproductive rights. She added that Dems would push the message that the GOP push -- which means small businesses could lose tax credits to buy health insurance for employees if they choos a plan that covers reproductive health care -- constitutes a "tax hike on women and small businesses."

Pelosi acknowledged that Dems could not stop Republicans from passing their anti-abortion agenda through the House. But she said it was crucial that pro-choice forces and Dems kick up enough noise to ensure that it dies in the Senate: "We have to make this issue too hot to handle."

Pelosi added that the unreconcilable philosophical differences between Republicans and Dems on abortion left Dems no choice but to adopt a scorched-earth approach to the war ahead. "We don't have a set of shared values," she said. "We have to fight this out in the public domain, so when we move to the Senate it has no popular support."

Pelosi added that this fight was a good way to drive home the reality of GOP extremism to women who were not energized last November, a key swing demographic.

The GOP has sought to wrap its anti-abortion push in the language of fiscal responsibility, but Pelosi's no-holds-barred approach suggests this war could end up being fought out squarely on old culture-war turf.

By Greg Sargent  | February 10, 2011; 3:42 PM ET
Categories:  House Dems, House GOPers, abortion  
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Comments

Hosni speaks now:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/pelosi_republicans_dont_care_a.html

Posted by: sbj3 | February 10, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"We have to fight this out in the public domain, so when we move to the Senate it has no popular support."

I didn't know Democrats knew these words...

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Now comes chaos in Egypt. How sad.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, caothien9 allows us to discuss the abortion hobby horse on this thread.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"...this war could end up being fought out squarely on old culture-war turf."

It will be fun to see whether the TP takes a position in this regard.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Mubarak is scum. Corrupt psychopath, how many innocent people will die?

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

This is a fight to have and to toss right up front and keep it there. The republicans are trying to be sneaky, of course, and hide their agenda under the noise of budget debate. But as with so much of what they are trying to do in their revolutionary fervor, once citizens understand the consequences, it seems rather unlikely that they'll agree to turn back the clock to the forties or the last century or to some pre-enlightenment utopia they presume existed. This is the most regressive move they've made in my lifetime against womens' reproductive rights.

The presumption must be that women are really quite dull-headed and that they won't notice. Let's make bloody sure they do.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back, Nancy.

It amazes me that when the Republicans were in the minority, we saw Boehner and Cantor yakking on the tube all the time. McConnell is relentless. But I truly never see Nancy Pelosi on TV, occasionally see Hoyer, and Reid once in a blue moon. What's up with that?

Posted by: KathleenHusseininMaine | February 10, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure that "taxpayer subsidized/funded abortion" is going to turn out to be a winner for the Democrats.

Posted by: jnc4p | February 10, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Mubarak said, "when the situation is stable," he will end the, "[30 year] state of emergency." Guess who gave him the green light to stay on? We did. His pathos, his appeal to nationalism, this is terrible.

Now everything depends on the army and how it handles the riots, particularly tomorrow after Friday prayers.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

shrink2, it's going to get a lot worse. As I predicted when the protests started, Egypt will be Obama's downfall.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

""Now everything depends on the army and how it handles the riots, particularly tomorrow after Friday prayers.""

One million man march tomorrow. I don't think the people will give up and are willing to die they say. The people in Alexandria are on the move to the military base.

Posted by: lmsinca | February 10, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

@Kathleen - the motivations are critically different and thus what we see on teevee is a consequence. The dems wish to do the work of governance. The republicans wish to hold power so other cannot. Therefore marketing is where they put their time, efforts and soulless hopes.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Shrink,

You are talking out of your Arse. The White House has been trying to push Mubarak out. They even had the CIA head go public with a statement, that they expected Mubarak to resign today.

The reality is; we have no more real control over that regime than we had over any of the other Despots that we either sided with, or even installed, in places like Iran and Chile.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The Bad News Is:

Hosni Mubarak said that he is going to remain in power.

The Good News Is:

Hosni Mubarak has promised the protesters that he is going to investigate, to find out who sent his Goons to behave like Goons, and go beat up and murder protester and reporters.

Hosni should be writing for The Onion.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The Bad News Is:

Hosni Mubarak said that he is going to remain in power.

The Good News Is:

Hosni Mubarak has promised the protesters that he is going to investigate, to find out who sent his Goons to behave like Goons, and go beat up and murder protesters and reporters.

Hosni should be writing for The Onion.

You're a riot, Hosni!

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Egypt will be Obama's downfall." Whatever, you folks predict his downfall all day every day. I wonder whether this to cover grief over his second term. But, but...of course this is a disaster for the Bush/Obama foreign policy. I agree with you to the extent that I posted here, the first day of the protest, I said this may be the greatest foreign policy challenge of his administration (since no one seems to care about the wars).

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"As I predicted when the protests started, Egypt will be Obama's downfall."

That's a scummy remark. I bet you (and Fox "News") just can't wait for the blood to flow in the streets of Cairo and Alexandria, hoping it will lead to some parochial agenda of yours?
Most of the US doesn't equate what happens in Egypt to Obama's presidency, only a slice of the far right does and they don't really count.

Posted by: filmnoia | February 10, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't know the internals of Egypt well enough to say anything terribly bright. A lot seems to hinge on the relationship between the military on one hand and Suleiman with the wealthy elites on the other. And on the nature of both, obviously. We'll see.

But the apparent success of Egyptians to bring about such an enormous change so quickly - with relatively very few ending up dead or tortured so far - it's difficult for me to imagine that other middle east communities won't move in a similar direction. I think we can be certain that all the present privileged classes in those nations are having dreams about the French Revolution and are in the process of setting up quick-response infrastructures to prevent further "de-stabilizations".

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Our man Sueliman is going to speak next.

Expect trouble.

Mubarak is very clever. By blaming U.S. interference he is trying to box Obama in and prevent him from pulling the aid money.

Posted by: wbgonne | February 10, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Gee Liam, two days in a row, personal insults? Grow up.

So, are our $1.5b a year in military assistance the Egypt in jeopardy? No? In play? Not even. So did the CIA told the truth this time? Besides, is it about Mubarak? No, it is not about Mubarak. It is about a deal with the military, it is a military dictatorship.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

So far, and we still have almost two more years remaining in his first term;

Right Wing Nut Jobs have counted at least eleven distinctly different events, which have proven to be "Obama's downfall".

Keep up the work; Right Wing Nut Jobs. You have plenty of time left, to uncover at least twenty distinct events, which will lead to "Obama's Downfall".

That cool Kenyan Cat, has more than nine lives, according to all those Birther Loons!

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The GOP's total neglect of women will be their downfall.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 10, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

You're right about it being entirely in the hands of the military shrink. And bernie, hate to tell you but nothing has changed yet and I'm afraid that this is looking more and more like Tianamen.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 10, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

You're right about it being entirely in the hands of the military shrink. And bernie, hate to tell you but nothing has changed yet and I'm afraid that this is looking more and more like Tianamen.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 10, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

where are the jobs the republicans said would be their first priority?

Posted by: newagent99 | February 10, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Shrink

Yesterday you called me stupid, but now you suddenly want to morph into Ms. Manners?

You just wrote that this US administration gave Mubarak the green light to stay in power. When the truth is they tried to push him to resign. What part of The CIA Director stating today that he expected Mubarak to resign today; do you not grasp. How the hell do you consider that to be "a green light" for him to stay in power.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

The Rent Being Too Damn High, will be Obama's Downfall.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"Pelosi's no-holds-barred approach suggests this war could end up being fought out squarely on old culture-war turf."

Not sure that's a winning approach. Greg's previous post made the point that most Americans have conservative attitudes concerning the size of government, but liberal beliefs in support of specific programs for the public good.

Pelosi needs to make the broader case that this funding is for the general good of all and does not represent a big government intrusion into areas best handled by individual initiative.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/0127/Why-most-Americans-are-both-liberal-and-conservative

Posted by: sbj3 | February 10, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Liam, isn't that strange, it seems like a paradox, doesn't it?
But, when was the last time the CIA announced a crucial US foreign policy position?

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010/ronnieandrush, statistically speaking, elective abortions kill more females than males. The GOP is trying to save them all.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

At one point Mubarak made a reference to being a young man and understanding the young men of Egypt – basically the people who are here – and at that moment the whole square erupted in anger. At that point, the whole square exploded in anger. The way that Mubarak is comparing himself to the people on the ground infuriated them.

And when it became clear that the that Mubarak intended to stay on until September, the square shook with fury. "We are not going until he goes," they chanted.

There is real anger and real fury and people are not quite sure in which direction to channel it. As I speak to you now, one man is holding a banner next to me which says: "Freedom or I die here." Tears are running down some people's faces. They really thought he was going to go.

There is a feeling that people want to get on the move now. I can hear this chant: "We'll go to the palace and tear him out."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/10/egypt-hosni-mubarak-resignation-rumours

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 10, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I really hope the United States is not on board with this Egypt stuff. This has the makings of a calamity now.

How about a WH statement to clarify?

Posted by: wbgonne | February 10, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"The GOP's total neglect of women will be their downfall."

Balderdash, they rescued Christine O'Donnell from homelessness, they pretend Palin is capable of leadership, they backed Sharron Angle even though she was perhaps the only person in Nevada who could not beat Harry Reid.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is starting to come around:

She recently said: "Rick Santorum is a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal."

That is great news, because it shows that Sarah Palin does subscribe to The Theory Of Evolution, and species forming different branches, as they evolve .

Sarah Palin, embraces Charles Darwin in order to club a Republican Neanderthal.

I never would have expected that from her. This inspires me to work even harder to get her nominated in 2012

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

@prag - I'm at work and haven't had a chance to catch what's been said. I was assuming Mubarak was going to announce leaving.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"How about a WH statement to clarify?"

The CIA already announced America's position in this regard.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time for the President to break completely with the regime before this gets too ugly. No more military aid ... no more support.

Posted by: pragmaticagain | February 10, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Commenters on AJ are saying that it just went from a movement to a revolution.

Posted by: lmsinca | February 10, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Bernie,

Hosni "pulled a Leno",

But he did promise that he was going to find out who sent his Goons, into the square to behave like they always have for him. Like I said before:

Hosni should be writing for The Onion.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

newagent99, first things first:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-director-says-obamacare-would-reduce-employment-800000-workers_547288.html

Rule Number 1 of Hole Management: Stop Digging!

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

OK...I'm a bit more up to date now. What a drag. This could now get ugly. I want dolphins in charge of the planet.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"The GOP is trying to save them all. "

Except the ones (pregnant women) they want to allow to die so they can feel xtra-special "Christian".

And Jesus said: "Let all doctors be able to opt-out of caring for people at death's door."

And the GOP said: "Amen."

That's how it went, right?

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 10, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

" it's going to get a lot worse. As I predicted when the protests started, Egypt will be Obama's downfall."

OMG I bet the Pres is worried now...for the 4,444th time in the past two years clawrence/jake predicts Obama's downfall. LMAO

Clawrence..how does this strike you...
Barrack Hussein Obama...A BLACK MAN..is YOUR President. How about chorus of Hail to the Chief for our BLACK President Clawrence...or maybe you'd like to suck on his latest approval numbers...

Obama is at 48% according to the latest Gallup figures...at this same time in his Presidency St. Ronnie's approval was at 35%! It's all good huh clawrence!

Posted by: rukidding7 | February 10, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

It's incredible that the Democratic Party puts this nitwit in high office. Just incredible.

Posted by: quarterback1 | February 10, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Liam, God created Neanderthal people in that busy work week he had a few thousand years ago as a part of his intelligent design.
You do realize God planted fossils and altered their carbon nuclei in order to fool non-believers, a sort of trap he designed to spring on the people who had the temerity to understand science. That, he knew, would make his job on judgement day a bit simpler.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I expect if we were to see the communications between Mubarak and other local regimes, there would be a pretty consistent advisory/pleading to not leave.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"I expect if we were to see the communications between Mubarak and other local regimes, there would be a pretty consistent advisory/pleading to not leave."

You can say that again. I wonder what the WH is saying to Mubarak.

Posted by: wbgonne | February 10, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I want dolphins in charge of the planet.

bernielatham @ 4:53 PM


I'm sorry, but they've already said, "Goodbye and thanks for all the fish!"

:-(

Posted by: wiccan | February 10, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's just doing some fund raising. work up a little outrage to get the base to break out the check books.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | February 10, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What Sarah Palin actually said: "I will NOT call [Rick Santorum] the knuckle-dragging Neanderthal. I'll let his wife call him that instead."

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I want Dolphins to run our police states, because they already have the whistles.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Goodbye and thanks for all the fish"

They aren't dopes.

Posted by: wbgonne | February 10, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

British Foreign Secretary Hague just announced the position of his government, "We are studying the situation closely...we are deeply concerned....yadda yadda." So, the Brits are ok with things going this way.

Next, after the blood starts to flow, the West will be shocked and surprised - so long as the military dictatorship survives, the Arab street is well, the Arab street. We have adroitly maneuvered ourselves out of appearing to back the regime we back.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 10, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The Wit And Wisdom Of Hosni Mubarak.

I can not step down, because without me in charge, chaos would occur.

By the way; I have no idea who sent in my Goons to attack the protesters, while I was in complete charge of everything, and preventing that sort of behavior.

Don't you see my children of Egypt; If I were to leave now, violence will erupt, like the violence my goons visited upon you, while I was protecting you from such violence. That is why you need me to stay on.

And by the way; you will really be very proud of me, when you see how well I perform on next year's Dancing With The Stars.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7, just a week ago, you agreed that I was not Jake / racist. What happened?

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"We have adroitly maneuvered ourselves out of appearing to back the regime we back"

If true, that will prove a grave mistake. The game is up. One way or another. Time for the U.S. to get on the right side of history before it is too late. Pull the aid money. That's a start.

Posted by: wbgonne | February 10, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

@NoVa: "work up a little outrage to get the base to break out the check books. "

You mean like how the GOP tries pass abortion bills that are doomed to fail? This is all their doing. They could be talking about jobs. Or "replacing" health care provisions they don't like. But they've got NUTHIN!

The good news, for America, is that Obama/Dem policies have already brought the economy back from the brink and are already creating jobs. So we can sit back and laugh as the idiots in the GOP shoot themselves in the foot over and over again. All the money in the world won't win them more than a handful of elections when they've lost the Indies because of their "America-last" antics.

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 10, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

God bless the Egyptian People.

Later, All.

Posted by: wbgonne | February 10, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@wbgonne ""We have adroitly maneuvered ourselves out of appearing to back the regime we back"

If true, that will prove a grave mistake. The game is up. One way or another. Time for the U.S. to get on the right side of history before it is too late. Pull the aid money. That's a start."

Any idea how much of the aid is obligated by the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty and how much is discretionary?

Posted by: jnc4p | February 10, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Well those are some nice "family values" that Sarah Palin is projecting.

She is now dictating to Mrs. Rick Santorum what ugly names she should call her husband?!

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If you've been following the Netanyahu government through this Egyptian revolt, you'll know that the primary concern was cutting off any chance of a revolution that might de-stabilize Egypt. Israel has been quite happy with this regime regardless of its vile human rights history and lack of democracy (so have prior US administrations, to be fair). I'd imagine that what I suggested above re advises/pleas from other regimes in the region would have been echoed by whateve communications passed from Israel to Egypt over the last two weeks and last two days. Would Netanyahu prefer a Tianamen to Egyptian liberation? Probably.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Hosni, you watch my back, while I do some incremental ethnic cleansing, and annexing of land in The West Bank."

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

What Sarah Palin actually said: "I will NOT call [Rick Santorum] the knuckle-dragging Neanderthal. I'll let his wife call him that instead."
-----------------------------------------
First I read what Mr. Santorum said. Didn't seem objectionable to me.

Then, I listened to it thinking it must be in the nuance. Still, it seemed tactful and unobjectionable to me.

Mrs. Palin is overreacting. She could have easily thanked Mr. Santorum for his understanding and moved on. Instead, she refers to him as a knuckle-dragging Neanderthal. I'd hate to think what she would call him if she campaigning against him. Probably a pinko homo-loving Nazi.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 10, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Not at all, Liam-still (weren't you just posting that she's "starting to come around", when you mistakenly thought she had directly called him that?). If I leave to to your lies, that hardly qualifies as "dictating" what lies you are going to spread next.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Re Netanyahu: " Netanyahu expresses hopes that "efforts for democracy come true," tells Abbas to "see the changes in the region as a chance to negotiate."

"Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Wednesday said during a speech at the Knesset that an "Egypt enshrined in democratic values will not constitute any threat to peace, but the opposite."

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?ID=206401&R=R1

Posted by: sbj3 | February 10, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

That has always been the Palin style. She earned the nickname; Sarah Barracuda, while she was still in high-school.

When she is old and grey, she will probably suffer from Irish Alzheimer's; forgetting everything but the grudges.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Nicholas Kristof from the New York Times has a good take on the reaction to Mubarak speech from Cairo:

"It was interesting that Mubarak tried to push the nationalism button and blame outside forces (meaning the United States) for trying to push him out. That won’t succeed, but it’s actually beneficial to America, giving us credit for siding with people power that I don’t think we actually deserve."

http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/10/the-pharaoh-refuses-to-go/

Posted by: jnc4p | February 10, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

shrink, Fred Thompson was born in Kenya, according to his grandfather's other wife, the one who was not his grandmother.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 10, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

It was interesting that Mubarak tried to push the nationalism button and blame outside forces (meaning the United States) for trying to push him out. That won’t succeed, but it’s actually beneficial to America, giving us credit for siding with people power that I don’t think we actually deserve.
---------------------------------------------------------
Making lemonade out of lemons.

We wait now for the violence to ratchet up. Please let me be wrong.

Posted by: 12BarBluesAgain | February 10, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

@sbj - you probably want to keep in touch with Ha'aretz on a regular basis rather than presume a statement for public consumption is going to tell you the proper story. There are other dependable sources as well but that one's your best starting spot.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Not at all, Liam-still (weren't you just posting that she's "starting to come around", when you mistakenly thought she had directly called him that?). If I leave to to your lies, that hardly qualifies as "dictating" what lies you are going to spread next.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 5:25 PM

.........................

Thanks Claw. You made my day. Clearly you do not comprehend satire.

By the way: Neatherthals are classified as Homo Erectus, so they walked upright, and were not knuckle walkers, or "knuckle draggers" as Sarah so quaintly phrased it.

Therefore it would appear that Sarah is actually A Knucklehead Dragger.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi still doesn't get it!!!! Many people aren't against a women's right. They just don't want to pay for that decision!!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | February 10, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Hoping Greg picks up on this one for the daily wrap...

"EXCLUSIVE: US Chamber’s Lobbyists Solicited Hackers To Sabotage Unions, Smear Chamber’s Political Opponents
ThinkProgress has learned that a law firm representing the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the big business trade association representing ExxonMobil, AIG, and other major international corporations, is working with set of “private security” companies and lobbying firms to undermine their political opponents, including ThinkProgress, with a surreptitious sabotage campaign.

According to e-mails obtained by ThinkProgress, the Chamber hired the lobbying firm Hunton and Williams to spearhead this effort. Hunton And Williams’ attorney Richard Wyatt, who once represented Food Lion in its infamous lawsuit against ABC News, was hired by the Chamber in October of last year. To assist the Chamber, Wyatt and his associates, John Woods and Bob Quackenboss, hired a set of private security firms — HB Gary Federal, Palantir, and Berico Technologies (collectively called Team Themis) — to develop tactics for damaging progressive groups and labor unions, in particular ThinkProgress, the labor coalition called Change to Win, the SEIU, US Chamber Watch, and StopTheChamber.com."

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/10/lobbyists-chamberleaks/

If you've been paying attention, you'll also see an intersection here with the agencies hired to try and take out Wikileaks.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I see TP notes that last as well.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still, you are welcome. Clearly you do not comprehend how many lies you repeat over and over.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi has learned what many Democrats have forgotten: One must stand up to bullies.

Posted by: ANDYO1 | February 10, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi still doesn't get it!!!! Many people aren't against a women's right. They just don't want to pay for that decision!!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | February 10, 2011 5:36 PM

..........................

And many of those same chauvinist pricks, end up also not wanting to pay child support for the children they father.

Sex Ed and Contraception preempt the need for most abortions, but of course Social Conservatives are also against such rational options, in the business driven, hyper sexualized world, that today's young people have to grow up in.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Lets spend a few more billion dollars on an issue that should have been decided decades ago.

Posted by: critter2 | February 10, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

12BB : "First I read what Mr. Santorum said. Didn't seem objectionable to me. Then, I listened to it thinking it must be in the nuance. Still, it seemed tactful and unobjectionable to me.

Mrs. Palin is overreacting. "

Yes, she is overreacting, most definitely. But her reaction is also not surprising. She never takes anything in stride, and never rises above a comment.

But, it was really odd that Santorum mentioned all the kids she has to care for, while he has two more than she does (7 total). That statement sure seemed out of touch to me, and frankly, chauvinistic.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 10, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin and Santorum are trying to push each other off of that Far Right Wing space, that each would need to capture and hold on to, in order to have any shot at the nomination. That is the real reason why Santorum took the shot at her, and why she in turn, tried to nuke him.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

On topic: Why should millions of Americans who hold deep religious aversion to abortions be made to pay for them? Because some people cannot afford their own abortions? Because there are no charitable clinics that can raise the funds privately?

I am with bb and kevin, I think, about this. If we think this one procedure is so reprehensible that it amounts to homicide, but we are civil enough that we do not impose our beliefs on others, why cannot they be civil enough not to charge all taxpayers for them?

Go donate to Planned Parenthood if you are worried that someone cannot afford an abortion. Leave clawrence out of it.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 10, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

How about you discuss Egypt on a thread with an accompanying story about Egypt? This is not the appropriate place.

For once Pelosi and I are on the same side of the argument. Mark your calendars. This is a decision best left to the woman to decide and funds need to be available for those women who can not afford to pay. My tax dollars are well spent if they provide all women an opportunity to do what is best for them.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | February 10, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

@bernie: What does Haaretz have to do with anything when you refuse to believe anything that Netanyahu says (that doesn't reflect poorly on him)?

You are a funny guy - "How can I turn this Egypt thing - of which I am admittedly uninformed - into a means to bash Israel?"

Posted by: sbj3 | February 10, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

"Go donate to Planned Parenthood if you are worried that someone cannot afford an abortion. Leave clawrence out of it."

Not good enough. We're talking about choice . . . oh, wait . ..

Posted by: quarterback1 | February 10, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

mark: "On topic: Why should millions of Americans who hold deep religious aversion to abortions be made to pay for them?"

Why should millions of Americans who hold their own beliefs pay for the teaching of creationism and other Bible-related / religious ideas in public schools using tax dollars?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 10, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

@sbj - not a good post on any level.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

FOX NEWS INSIDER: “Stuff Is Just Made Up”
February 10, 2011 7:20 am ET by Eric Boehlert

Asked what most viewers and observers of Fox News would be surprised to learn about the controversial cable channel, a former insider from the world of Rupert Murdoch was quick with a response: “I don’t think people would believe it’s as concocted as it is; that stuff is just made up.”

Indeed, a former Fox News employee who recently agreed to talk with Media Matters confirmed what critics have been saying for years about Murdoch’s cable channel. Namely, that Fox News is run as a purely partisan operation, virtually every news story is actively spun by the staff, its primary goal is to prop up Republicans and knock down Democrats, and that staffers at Fox News routinely operate without the slightest regard for fairness or fact checking.

“It is their M.O. to undermine the administration and to undermine Democrats,” says the source. “They’re a propaganda outfit but they call themselves news.”

And that’s the word from inside Fox News." (more at link)

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102100007

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Will The Real Pro-Birthers please stand up.

On one side, we have some of them urging people to send donations to Planned Parenthood, because they don't want their tax dollars paying for abortions.

On the other side; we have a Pro-Birther faction which is trying to shut down all abortion clinics, including the Planned Parenthood centers.

Talk about Orwellian Doublespeak ! The Social Conservatives have mastered the art.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Bill Maher recently called Sarah Palin "ignorant", and she didn't comment on that.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

mark: "If we think this one procedure is so reprehensible that it amounts to homicide, but we are civil enough that we do not impose our beliefs on others, why cannot they be civil enough not to charge all taxpayers for them?"

Interesting. Why are so many of those, particularly on the right, not civil enough to insist that children who are born in the US have access to adequate food, shelter, education, healthcare? Why does civility seem to end at birth for so many of those insisting that reproductive control is uncivil?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 10, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Where can the Pro War Chicken Hawks, send their donations, instead of having the tax dollars of anti-war people going to pay for them?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a baby killer...

Posted by: NO-bama | February 10, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"Go donate to Planned Parenthood if you are worried that someone cannot afford an abortion. Leave clawrence out of it."

Mark, if you want to end public funding for abortion, go moneybomb a bunch of candidates who share your beliefs. You make a hell of a lot more money than I do.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 10, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

@bernie: If one posts that Netanyahu would prefer blood in the streets rather than Egyptian democracy, one should expect such a reaction, no? That was not even a poor attempt on your part to ignore the actual spoken words of Netanyahu - here's a link to them in Haaretz;

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-a-democratic-egypt-won-t-threaten-peace-with-israel-1.340899

"All those who value freedom are inspired by the calls for democratic reforms in Egypt," Netanyahu said during a speech to the Knesset. "An Egypt that will adopt these reforms will be a source of hope for the world. As much as the foundations for democracy are stronger, the foundations for peace are stronger."

That doesn't really jibe with Bernie's notion that Netanyahu would rather see dead Egyptians in the square.

Posted by: sbj3 | February 10, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

OT:

Here's another Media Matters post from today...

Beck Says The Alamo Was About "Mexican Independence"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102100002

Too funny. What a fool!

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 10, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi is a baby killer...

Posted by: NO-bama | February 10, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

If abortions are outlawed, only the daughters of the rich will have abortions, abroad.

Make Abortion Safe, Legal and Rare, by Teaching Sex Ed, and the proper use of Contraception.

Today's young people have to grow up in a hyer sexualized culture. It is absolutely absurd, not to educate them about the dangers of unprotected sex.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/happy_hour_roundup_184.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 10, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

DDAWD-

And therein lies the sadness of American politics-those with the most $, win.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 10, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

@sue and 12 bar - re Palin/Santorum... I too thought Palin's responses odd but it was notable that Santorum was putting in the little knife.

What I found REALLY interesting was Hannity pressing her on the comment and then coming back to press her again.

We know that the big boys don't want her to run (and we know why). As I said, the only way they could push her out was to do it very incrementally which has been just what we've seen.

But this is a trickier game for FOX as they've invested so much into painting her in bright positives. If they are going to play ball with the real powers in the party (and Ailes has done really nothing else ever) then they will have to shift gears too. It seemed to me that Hannity was doing precisely that last night - but using Santorum as the instrument.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

edit:

hyper-sexualized culture.......

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"And therein lies the sadness of American politics-those with the most $, win."

Yeah, but that's a hell of a lot better than me personally subsidizing their misguided beliefs.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 10, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

sbj - if you had shown any evidence you'd spent a fraction of the time I have in attending to Israeli politics, I'd grant your post more credence than I do regardless of what you'd said in it. But an insistence that this statement by Netanyahu is a reflection of his real policies and perceived needs is patently foolish.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 10, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

@bernie: "Attend" to whatever you choose, you marvelous expert in all things Zionist and propaganda!

If you think that you can post that Netanyahu would prefer blood in the streets rather than Egyptian democracy without anyone challenging you then you are wrong.

Posted by: sbj3 | February 10, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Headline in March: "REPUBLICANS CUT BIRTH CONTROL AND PRENATAL NUTRITION"

Headline 9 months later: "BIRTH DEFECTS AND NEWBORN ICU COSTS SKYROCKET: RECORD NUMBER OF UNPLANNED BABIES WITH POOR PRENATAL CARE & NUTRITION"

This isn't rocket science.

Posted by: theorajones1 | February 10, 2011 6:44 PM | Report abuse

If this is about choice, then when do I get to choose NOT to have my tax dollars fund places like Planned Parenthood that are basically in the business of abortions (not actual family planning or contraception education). I wonder how many supporters of Planned Parenthood know that it was started by eugenicist "progressive" Margaret Sanger, whose goal was to rid the world of "undesirables" like the poor, people of color and mentally ill??

I have no problem with choice. But I do have a problem with government funding of such choice.

Posted by: JanineC4 | February 10, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"I too thought Palin's responses odd but it was notable that Santorum was putting in the little knife."

I certainly didn't see it as an attack on Palin. He was apologizing on her behalf for not being at CPAC by saying she has lots of important work to do and a family to raise. I don't know the tone since I didn't hear it, but it didn't seem like an attack.

Maybe someone asked Palin, "what do you think about Santorum's comments about you?" without actually saying what those comments were. Palin might have just assumed that Santorum said something ridiculously sexist. It wouldn't be the worst assumption in the world.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 10, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering when someone would stand up to the thrashing of women's rights. Where are all the women's groups? There are bound to be a few left. Couldn't they put full page ads in the NYT's at least? They must all be top heavy with employees and no money for actually doing something.

Posted by: 5inchtaint | February 10, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"If this is about choice, then when do I get to choose NOT to have my tax dollars fund"

Um, I paid for Iraq. So shut your mouth.

Part of being in a republican form of government is accepting that the republic's representatives decides where your tax dollars go. So, grow up. Oh, and WELCOME TO AMERICA.

And tax dollars don't pay for abortions unless the mother would DIE. And planned parenthood is mostly in the business of pap smears, birth control, etc, and does very few abortions. But what are facts to you? You have the mentality of a three year old who wants what he wants and doesn't understand there are other people in the world, and sometimes you don't get what you want. Waaaaaa.

Posted by: theorajones1 | February 10, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi, stirrups and clothes hangers -- perfect together.

Posted by: dalane27 | February 10, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder how many supporters of Planned Parenthood know that it was started by eugenicist "progressive" Margaret Sanger, whose goal was to rid the world of "undesirables" like the poor, people of color and mentally ill?? "

I love finding out about the times that they actually support the rights of the poor and minorities. No health care or food stamps, but hey, we aren't taxing your cigarettes and you can have all the unwanted babies you don't want! Why don't you use contraceptives? Didn't you learn about them at the schools we don't fund and don't allow to teach sex-ed??

Posted by: DDAWD | February 10, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I favor the "safe, legal, and rare" formulation. I favor sex ed in the schools. I have no problem with publicly funded abortions. I oppose the sham of creationism taught as science.

I know, however, how deeply held the view of the sanctity of embryonic life is to millions. The procedures are not prohibitively expensive and could be privately funded. This is a case where a compromise that does not publicly fund abortions has been the law for many years.

The issue with religion taught as science in the public schools is not relevant or logically analogous. There is the First Amendment. There is the notion of science as a discipline. If I were to pick an analogy, it would be "conscientious objector" status in the military. We have mad accommodations for that. We are big enough to do so here.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 10, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

mark: "The issue with religion taught as science in the public schools is not relevant or logically analogous."

Sure it is. It's a lot of the same people who object to taxes being used to pay for abortions who also want to use tax funds to teach creationism in public schools. If you don't see the irony in that....

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 10, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"We have mad accommodations for that. We are big enough to do so here."

Really? You get a tax refund for being a conscientious objector?

Posted by: DDAWD | February 10, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Should gay people be allowed to not pay local property taxes, since they do not give birth to children and they are not allowed to marry. Why should they have to pay for Schools? See what that "not wanting your tax dollars being used" claims, can lead to?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 10, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

No tax exemption, Ddawd - an exemption from combat. But you knew that.

Sue, why do you think it is relevant that many of the same folks are creationists and anti-abortionists? Many proponents of education, especially among RCs, are also anti-abortion. That doesn't strike me as relevant, either.

On the one hand, we are talking about not establishing religion in the public schools and on the other hand we are talking about whether or not to publicly fund abortions. The first is an attempt by creationists to pervert the Constitution. The second is an attempt by the [probable] majority to change the law in order to tax for and publicly fund a medical procedure. There is no constitutional right in the [probable] minority not to pay taxes for the procedure if they are outvoted, and no constitutional right in the [probable] majority to have public funding for any medical procedures at if they are outvoted.

You are comparing a constitutional issue to a mere political compromise.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 10, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"No tax exemption, Ddawd - an exemption from combat. But you knew that."

Well, people who don't want to get abortions are certainly welcome not to get them.

Posted by: DDAWD | February 10, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Liam, if a state or muni chose to grant such a property tax exemption I think it would be challenged for singling out a class for preferred tax treatment. So it is not analogous, either. The argument for this compromise is not that one group does not pay tax but another does.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 10, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Good for Nancy Pelosi. She speaks the truth.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | February 10, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

By the way: Neatherthals are classified as Homo Erectus, so they walked upright, and were not knuckle walkers, or "knuckle draggers" as Sarah so quaintly phrased it.

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H. neanderthalsis. Erectus was much earlier

Posted by: caothien9 | February 10, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

What i do not understand is why anyone agrees with Pelosi.She has made a decided effort to destroy this country. Bad decisions and bad politics and it has nothing to do with making this country better, She is a embarrassment to women everywhere.The Washington post is also a embarrassment to the world.

Posted by: tgp9 | February 10, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Why all the posts about Egypt? Looks to me like the article is about Pelousi.

Abortions are legal, at this point. No one is questioning that. What most people and most women object to is the government paying for abortions!

Peloui can do all the yelling she wants, but she lost the last election. We need to send her back to CA in 2012. She is an absolute idiot.

Posted by: annnort | February 10, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

mark: "You are comparing a constitutional issue to a mere political compromise."

Look, I know you are viewing this through your lawyer's lens, and that's fine. For the (probable) majority of Americans the hair you're hung up on makes little difference, although I can appreciate the difference between "constitutional" and "political," it's not like those two things exist in separate vacuums and never cross paths and never merge.

What the right is attempting to do is deny women their legal right to choose by making it as difficult as possible, especially for women of little or no means. Are you aware that they would like to take away the tax exemption that employer's get for insurance provided to employees if the policy covers abortion? That is just simply ridiculous.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 10, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"Are you aware that they would like to take away the tax exemption that employer's get for insurance provided to employees if the policy covers abortion? That is just simply ridiculous."

I wasn't aware, and I do think that is absurd.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 10, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The idea that the living human being in the mother's womb should have rights isn't really very radical. The position that the mother should have complete say over whether her child lives or dies IS radical.

Posted by: hdc77494 | February 10, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"If this is about choice, then when do I get to choose NOT to have my tax dollars fund"

Um, I paid for Iraq. So shut your mouth.

Part of being in a republican form of government is accepting that the republic's representatives decides where your tax dollars go. So, grow up. Oh, and WELCOME TO AMERICA.

And tax dollars don't pay for abortions unless the mother would DIE. And planned parenthood is mostly in the business of pap smears, birth control, etc, and does very few abortions. But what are facts to you? You have the mentality of a three year old who wants what he wants and doesn't understand there are other people in the world, and sometimes you don't get what you want. Waaaaaa.

Posted by: theorajones1 | February 10, 2011 6:50 PM |
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Dang... we could use you as a regular poster on WaPo comments as it is over run with pointy headed anti-intellectuals.

Posted by: 5inchtaint | February 10, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

hdc77494 and annnort, I agree with you both, but unfortunately the way it works here is that we have to wait until caothien9 wakes up and posts whether we can ride the abortion hobby horse on this thread. I would think that a discussion about abortion would be relevant and "on topic" for this thread -- more so than Egypt -- but "you never can tell" said Pooh.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

On topic: Why should millions of Americans who hold deep religious aversion to abortions be made to pay for them? Because some people cannot afford their own abortions? Because there are no charitable clinics that can raise the funds privately?

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For the same reason that millions of Americans who hold deep religious views against education are made to pay for it: it's in the national interest. I thought you were the guy who's so big on the Constitution and law; were you not aware that America has some amendment prohibiting the institutionalization of a state religion?

As for the reprehensibility of the procedure, that's your opinion, and it's a prejudiced one. The only moral issue I see is that it's a draconian and invasive procedure that could be avoided entirely with contraception, but in a stunning turn of events, the same people who are against abortion are just as adamantly against contraception, and even more against being "forced to pay for it."

Here's an idea .. let's develop a medication that inhibits ovulation completely. Give it to every girl in Americaat the onset of puberty. When a woman decides to bear a child, she takes a pill that briefly restores ovulation. That way every child is wanted and intentional.

Now, watch the people against abortion scream their outrage at this idea.

I'm surprised at you, mark. Well, no, I guess I'm not. All, you know, centrist an' stuff.

Posted by: caothien9 | February 10, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The issue with religion taught as science in the public schools is not relevant or logically analogous.

==

Dead wrong. It's not only analogous, it's homologous. There are "religious" people (sneer quotes intentional, see previous posts on the illegitimacy of fundamentalism) who harbor deeply held religious feelings against the teaching of evolution, and even against the teaching of anything not found in the Bible. And since those views, along with the opposition to abortion on religious grounds, are, again, religious views, they have no place in the public policy arena. Period.

What comes next, mark? "Ameriica is a Judeo-Christian nation?"

If you want to talk about the general issue of being forced to pay for things we disagree with, we need a whole BLOG dedicated to the discussion. Not just another thread, a full-time daily blog.

I have to pay for sports stadiums. I don't care about sports. I had to pay for two invasions I saw no point in. I have to contribute to the support of Israel, which REALLY cheeses me off. I have to pay for a military with no real mission and ten times the size it needs to be. I have to pay for the operation of bases in foreign countries whose vigilance is sixty years out of date. I have to pay for carrier fleets in the middle east. I have to pay for the coddling of obscenely wealthy people I wish were dead.

Compared to any one of these, paying for abortion is a drop in the ocean.

Posted by: caothien9 | February 10, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

WOO HOO! caothien9 can now weigh in on whether the abortion hobby horse is relevant to a thread about abortion now.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"I have to pay for sports stadiums."

How many sports stadiums are being built in Vietnam these days.

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

It's incredible that the Democratic Party puts this nitwit in high office. Just incredible.

==

nitwit, huh? Well that nitwit managed to get HCR through the House despite everywthing the Republicans threw at it. She's a brilliant and canny political strategist and she's been replaced on your side of the aisle by a weeping red-nosed drunkard.

Posted by: caothien9 | February 10, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Nancy is right. If the federal government doesn't fund Planned Parenthood, where will pimps take their underage sex slaves for regular tune ups?

Posted by: jy151310 | February 10, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Stop pouting, Jake, nobody's stopping you from posting the same things you've already posted thousands of times already.

I don't think a nation worried about jobs is going to think that a Republican Party revisiting the culture wars is very cute.

Posted by: caothien9 | February 10, 2011 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I've only posted this one time before:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-director-says-obamacare-would-reduce-employment-800000-workers_547288.html

Posted by: clawrence12 | February 10, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

HAS ANY PEOPLE SEEN ALL THE PLAN "UN"PARENTHOOD VIDEO OF THEM GIVING AID AND ABETTING PEDOPHILIA, CHILDREN SEX TRAFFICKING, SEX SLAVERY, SACRIFICING THESE CHILDREN SO THE SATANIC CECILE RICHARDS CAN ENRICHED HERSELF AND PROMOTE THIS CULTURE OF MURDER ALL IN THE NAME OF LIBERALISM. I AM SURE THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF THIS NATION, ALONG WITH THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF CHRISTIANITY ARE WONDERING WHAT COUNTRY WE LIVE IN TODAY. CHECK THEM OUT ON YOUTUBE AND CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN TO STOP TAX PAYER FUNDING OF PLAN UNPARENTHOOD!!!!!

Posted by: 613laws | February 11, 2011 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Calling mental health professionals ... cleanup on aisle 613 ...

Posted by: caothien9 | February 11, 2011 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey claw, try reading a full argument and not one side. CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf told the House Budget Committee on Thursday that the health care law will reduce employment by 0.5 percent by 2021 because some people will no longer have to work just to afford health insurance. If your saying it will destroy jobs, you are blowing smoke out the wrong side.

Posted by: Falling4Ever | February 11, 2011 2:06 AM | Report abuse

I support a woman's right to choose but I also believe that if women are going to have total reproductive control, they need to take TOTAL responsibility.

As things stand now, a woman can "trap" a man into impregnating her and then demand that he support her child for the next 18 years EVEN if he doesn't want a kid. This could be a mistake or it could be purposeful: lying about birth control or sticking a hole in the condom. It is not uncommon.

Either way, it is not right that while women are giving a choice about whether or not to have a kid, IF they decide to have to, the father is LEGALLY on the hook for 18 years, EVEN if he'd have preferred she had an abortion.

The paternity laws should be changed. If a woman is pregnant and wants the father to help raise the child, she should be required to have him sign a legal documen acknowledge his paternal responsibilities. If he chooses not to sign this document, he will have NO legal responsibility for the child in question. The woman can still carry the child to term, of course, because that's her choice but, if she makes that choice, SHE should be ENTIRELY responsible for it and its consequences. She should not be allowed to force a man who didn't want the kid in the first place to pay for HER choice.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | February 11, 2011 5:03 AM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt that this sort of manipulation is common.

Posted by: caothien9 | February 11, 2011 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Just think of the agony that America would have been spared if Nancy Pelosi's mother had believed in abortion.

Oh well!

Posted by: battleground51 | February 11, 2011 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Tell me again Nance, how you are a Catholic . Tell me again that you are not excommunicated along with Dodd and Biden for your stand for Abortion . Tell me again as you did the Reporter when you returned from your Private Audience with the Pope, that he didn't bring up the matter . Since the Pope follows Christ's path of Forgiveness and Charity , he would never go on record to set the record straight as to that meeting . But I'll never understand how he, and every Bishop in the World aren't harping on the subject every Sunday, at least . Your actions on Temporal matters are despicable enough Nancy, but to constantly go out committing crimes against the 5th Commandment while espousing the murder of infants in the womb will lead you straight to Hell. I'm not judging , that's God's job. But He's already laid down the rules and you keep breaking them . If you look like a plastic Duck , Waddle like a Duck , and are yellow to the core with your lack of courage , then that must surely be your quack I hear all the way over here, which is a long way from corrupt Washington D. C.

Posted by: puck-101 | February 11, 2011 6:09 AM | Report abuse

murder of infants in the womb

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They're not "infants" until they leave the womb.

I think the Pope is capable of wrapping his mind around "America doesn't have a state religion." Pity you can't.

Posted by: caothien9 | February 11, 2011 7:20 AM | Report abuse

If Baltimore Housewife, Nancy P.L.O.-si, doesn't agree with the pro-life stance of her GOP co-workers, then she must be pro-death, or, in the case of babies, pro-infanticide. Shouldn't the Catholic Church be looking at excommunicating her?

Posted by: robtjonz | February 11, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Okay - so it's a baby made of flesh, bones and blood. A doctor cuts it up and sucks out the pieces. THIS is what Nancy Pelosi thinks I should pay my tax dollars to do? I don't work so someone can kill their baby for their own selfish convenience. She may call it "health rights" of women...your can call it whatever you like - doesn't change what it is.

Posted by: ifwaitingfaithfully | February 15, 2011 11:12 PM | Report abuse

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