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Posted at 3:58 PM ET, 02/16/2011

Poll: Fox News watchers far more likely to have negative views of Muslims

By Greg Sargent

The new poll by the Public Religion Research Institute, which I linked to below, also contained this interesting nugget:

The survey findings also show a significant correlation between trust in Fox News and negative attitudes about Muslims. Americans who most trust Fox News are more likely to believe that Muslims want to establish Shari'a law, have not done enough to oppose extremism, and believe investigating Muslim extremism is a good idea.

At first glance, this is a bit of a no-brainer. But I asked the organization to send over the numbers supporting this finding, and the specifics are really striking:

* 41% of Republicans who most trust Fox News believe that American Muslims want to establish Shari'a law as law of the land in the United States, compared to 23% of Republicans who most trust other news sources and 22% of the general public.

65% of Republicans who most trust Fox News believe that American Muslims have not done enough to oppose extremism in their communities, compared to 45% of Republicans who most trust other news sources and 47% of the general public.

* 82% of Republicans who most trust Fox News believe the hearings on the alleged extremism in the American Muslim community are a good thing, compared with 60% of Republicans who most trust other news sources and 56% of the general public.

* 53% of Republicans who most trust Fox News say they feel well informed about Islam and the beliefs and practices of Muslims, compared to 34% of Republicans who most trust other news sources and 46% of the general public.

The pattern is overwhelmingly clear. Incidentally, that last finding borders on the sublime: Republicans who most trust Fox News are far more likely than other GOPers to say they are well informed about Muslims -- even as they are also far more likely to believe that Muslims broadly want to establish Sharia as the "law of the land" in America.

Here's how these numbers were arrived at. The poll -- whose interviews were overseen by the reputable Opinion Research Corporation -- asked which news org people most trust for information on politics and current events. Twenty six percent picked Fox. The poll also asked people a variety of questions about Muslims. The above numbers represent the responses to those questions from the 26 percent who most trust Fox for their info.

Now, we'll never know whether Fox watchers harbor these views because they watch Fox, or whether they watch Fox because they harbor these views. That's a chicken-and-egg question best left to philosophers. The two are probably self-reinforcing. Either way, if Fox's explicit goal has been to create a self-sustaining, self-perpetuating alternate reality, as many have alleged, it appears that when it comes to Americans' views of Muslims, the network may be succeeding brilliantly.

By Greg Sargent  | February 16, 2011; 3:58 PM ET
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Faux News is The Republicans' version of Mubarak's State Run Media.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

What do Steve Martin and Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) have in common?

Answer: They each grew up as Poor Black Kids!

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/16/rick-scott-black-poor/

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Real News, That is even more absurd than anything The Onion could come up with.

Michele Bachmann is outraged that First Lady Obama has called for making the price of Breast Pumps deductible, to encourage working moms to breast feed their babies.

Here is where hilarity ensues. Ms. Bachmann said that she is against the proposal because it smacks of The Nanny State, but but but but;

Michele Bachmann has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars in Federal Government Farm Subsidies! Yes she has.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

O/T

Boehner has lost control of his caucus...

HOUSE REBUFFS BOEHNER, SCRAPS F-35 JET ENGINE PROGRAM....

Following up on an earlier item, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OhIo) asked for a few billion dollars to build a jet engine for the Pentagon that the Pentagon doesn't want. Today, Boehner's colleagues said, "No."

In a sign that some freshman Republicans were willing to cut military spending, the House voted 233-198 on Wednesday to cancel an alternate fighter jet engine that the Bush and Obama administrations had tried to kill for the last five years.

The vote marked another instance in which some of the new legislators, including members of the Tea Party, broke ranks with the House speaker, John A. Boehner, a Republican from Ohio, where the engine provided more than 1,000 jobs.

President Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates urged Congress to scrap the engine and save up to $3 billion over the next several years. John Boehner urged Congress to approve the wasteful spending anyway. Today, Boehner lost.

The vote was unusually bipartisan, and tended to follow geographic, not political lines. In all, 233 lawmakers voted against the unnecessary engine -- 123 Democrats and 110 Republicans.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_02/028033.php

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 16, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: Other than the idea that Muslims want to impose Sharia law, which of these results support your contention that FNC viewers live in an alternate reality?

"65% of Republicans who most trust Fox News believe that American Muslims have not done enough to oppose extremism in their communities"

According to the poll, a plurality of Americans agree!

"82% of Republicans who most trust Fox News believe the hearings on the alleged extremism in the American Muslim community are a good thing."

According to the poll, 56% of Americans agree!

"53% of Republicans who most trust Fox News say they feel well informed about Islam and the beliefs and practices of Muslims"

According to the poll, 45% of Americans agree.

Posted by: sbj3 | February 16, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Nancy could count the votes. She was The Speaker Of The House.

It looks like Weeping Boehner is merely The Speaker Of The Tanning Bed.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Greg, Answer SBJ.

Aside from the fact that the vast majority of the Republicans who watch Faux News are ignorant bigots, what is your beef?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Americans that watch CNN think Muslims are cute.

Americans that watch CBS seem to think Muslims are soft and cuddly.

Americans that watch public television think Muslims are really smart except for Iranians.

Americans who watch NBC think Muslims are honest, trustworthy, and just like Americans.

Americans that read Sarge Greg's blog think he's a Muslim.

Americans that read the New York Times are gay Muslims.

Americans that watch FOX NEWS are very skeptical of those other people.

Posted by: battleground51 | February 16, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Of those that thought Muslims hadn't done enough to combat extremeism, an overwhelming 100% thought the only way this could be achieved by them converting to a religion with a less violent history like Christianity.

Posted by: cao091402 | February 16, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I've posted this before, but it goes even better on this thread:

"Muslim vs. Moslem"

"Moslem" as a spelling, in the English language in Western discourse and/or mainly US based culture, is a dog whistle

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/11/muslim_vs_moslem.php

Posted by: ronnieandrush | February 16, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Peter King says that American Muslims should take a page from those East Germans, and start spying on all their neighbors, and reporting on everything they do, to his Republican Stasi Security Network.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyway is this another effort to sterotype?

Posted by: 37thRisingNow | February 16, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Taking FOX NEWS' big ratings into account we must conclude FOX is doing something RIGHT.

The others get what's left.

Posted by: battleground51 | February 16, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Wahhabism, with financial support from the Saudi regime, does indeed teach, and spread literature that preaches:

*contempt for the United States because it is ruled by legislated civil law rather than by totalitarian Wahhabi-style Islamic law;*

*hatred of Christians and Jews and warnings against imitating, befriending, or helping them in any way, or taking part in their festivities and celebrations;*

*all Shia and Sufi are infidels and most Sunni are infidels;*

*living in the west is only justified to convert infidels or to plan for Jihad.*

These reports come from Freedom House, the Wendell Willkie-Eleanor Roosevelt watchdog org on religious and cultural freedom. You can look 'em up.

I have several Muslim clients; south Asians, modernists who attend the big "Turkish" mosque in Austin. There are rumors that a Wahhabi mosque is coming to town. This concerns my clients. When my Muslim clients are worried about a Wahhabi funded Mosque it is because they know dam-ed well what it has meant to have these fundamentalists initiating poor Pakistani and Indian youths.

I do not consider Islam a threat to America. I consider Wahhabism, funded by the Saudis, a threat to Islam and in turn a threat to peace. BTW, I think the words "Wahhabi" and "Salafi" are equivalent for this purpose.

I also think the FBI is aware of this distinction and has terrific support from the non-Wahhabi majority of American Muslims. King's inquiry is unnecessary.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 16, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The real kicker here? One of the main Princes of Saudi Arabia owns 25% of Fox News. I guess making a profit is more important to him than Fox Americans liking Muslims.

Go figure.

Posted by: kindness1 | February 16, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent's numb-skull report highlights WHY many trust FoxNews as their primary news source. Greg fails to investigate the TRUTH of Muslim extremism and/or blissfully assumes it's a minimal threat. I haven't forgotten images of Palestinians dancing in the streets after hearing about the 9/11 attacks. Images that the mainstream media largely chose not to broadcast.

Yet, Greg throws rocks at FoxNews for reporting about Muslim extremism and throws rocks at FoxNews' audience for believing what they learn about Muslim extremism by watching FoxNews.

Hey, Greg, here's the REAL STORY that the Opinion Survey reveals: "Those who trust news sources OTHER THAN FoxNews are UNDER-INFORMED about the existence of Muslim extremism and its nefarious designs for Western civilization".

Sheesh, it's the same kind of mainstream media willful ignorance of the damage being done by illegal immigration. You'll find that FoxNews' audience is far more informed about that subject, too.

Posted by: EricS1 | February 16, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"Americans that read Sarge Greg's blog think he's a Muslim."

I'm not aware of Greg's religion, but so what if he is muslim, Mr. Battle? I would not care a bit. This campaign of villification has got to stop. It has gone too far.

I've met liberal muslims and I've met right wing muslims. They come in all sizes and shapes and political beliefs. They are American and that's all that should count.

My son has been in the care of muslim neighbors for years for after-school. We've raised him christian, but my son knows that they are just as human as you are, Mr. Battleground. Living life in a FoxNews bunker is no way to live, Mr. Battleground. Hopefully one day your ilk will come out of the caves and join the rest of society. The intolerance you preach is just the same as Al Queda's. As far as I know you haven't come out for mass murder, but really that's all that's separating you and the muslims that live in a cave.

Posted by: Alex3 | February 16, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Would this make a good slogan for Rupert to use?

Bigots Of A Feather Fox Together!

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Taking FOX NEWS' big ratings into account we must conclude FOX is doing something RIGHT.

You betcha!!

All that means is people enjoy watching the car accident. Limbaugh showed long ago that if you spew crazy stuff on the airwaves, people tune in for the entertainment value.

I haven't forgotten images of Palestinians dancing in the streets after hearing about the 9/11 attacks.

Good, but that's an incredibly small slice of Islam.

Would you claim that all Christians are suspect because of what the Serbs did to the Bosnians? Neither would I.

Please, please snap out of it folks. Hatred on begets more hatred.

Posted by: Alex3 | February 16, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Mark, the problem between Islam and America can not be quarantined in the vilification of Saudi Wahhabism.

As you know, they despise the Shiites, and there are plenty of Shiites who would die for the chance to kill an American.

America and Islam have a problem. America and Buddhism, not really. No one even cares what Hindus think about this country, no one cares nor knows about the spiritual beliefs of Chinese people. We have to be able to say these things or we just can't fix them. America and Islam have a problem, that doesn't mean it can't be understood and fixed, but it is real.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 16, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

You better throw in our historical relationship with those Muslim Despots, all for the sake of access to Oil, when evaluating what has caused such animosity toward the USA in the middle east, compared to India, etc.

Don't ever forget that we ousted the elected government of Iran, to install a despot that would allow the oil to flow the way the Brits wanted it to. Also; take a look at the history of how the European powers carved up the middle east, and created artificial national bounderies. Kuwait is a prime example of that. The Brits carved out that mere Oil Ranch, and set it up as a new country, just because it suited the Brits, access to oil intentions.

No Muslim country has ever occupied England, France, Germany, or the USA.

We can not say the opposite of that, now can we?

People tend to hold a grudge, once you take over their home, and turn it upside down, in order to try and steal some of their wealth.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

@sbj - Not sure what your argument might be above. Americans who watch less FOX are less likely to hold false and bigoted ideas by substantial margins and therefore FOX is innocent of spreading false and bigoted ideas because those other Americans have them too, even though in substantially less percentages? Is that your argument?

Posted by: bernielatham | February 16, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Shrink, all of my Muslim clients are Shi'ites. They tell me that Wahhabis use Saudi money to recruit poor kids into "schools" that teach a very strict fundamentalist Islam - in India and in Pakistan. They tell me that it breaks families apart.

I must concede that from America's viewpoint it has a problem with Islam, and that many Muslims have a problem with the west. But there is much truth to my suggestion that within America Muslims are not to be feared or marginalized, while Wahhabis should be watched. I will tell you that what we saw in Egypt is something akin to what I have heard in Austin. According to my clients, most urban Pakistani and Indian youths aspire to live in a world that is like what they imagine the UK, Australia, Canada, or the USA to be, and many want to come to one of these English speaking paradises. Their cousins who were swept up in Wahhabi schools have a different world view. Now my experience is with about a dozen businessmen who are originally from India or Pakistan, who are active in their community, and who are in no way fundamentalist, although about half of them will refuse alcohol.

Your wife is another source of credible information and she may well bring an entirely different view to the table, about the divergence in aspirations and hopes.

My suggestion was related to King wanting to investigate whether the Muslim communities in America were harboring or failing to report terrorists. Well, I think that is a ridiculous inquiry, for reasons I have stated. And yes, I know a man who volunteered to the FBI that his nephew was getting religious training that the uncle found suspicious.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | February 16, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey, they left out the following demographic: "Democrats who trust Fox News".

Wait...anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 16, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"No Muslim country has ever occupied England, France, Germany, or the USA."

But they tried. I think I remember they were stopped at the walls of Vienna in 1450. In Spain, "The frontier in the north between the Moors and the Christians was constantly on a war footing and in St James (Santiago de Compostela), the Christians found their own inspiration to match the Koran-inspired fanaticism of the Moors. Santiago became known as "Matamoros" (the Moor slayer) and to this day is Spain's patron saint." some web cite

There was Lepanto too. Brutal.

Posted by: shrink2 | February 16, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

If I may be so bold, more of this Greg. Seriously, bravo. More! Thank you for doing this. Keep up the good work. :-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 16, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"America and Islam have a problem."

I don't have a problem with Islam! I have a problem with extremist murderers regardless of their religious code. I despise Serbian murderers, operation rescue murderers just as much as I despise Al Queda.

YOU have a problem with Islam. Not I. Don't drag the rest of America into your bigotry.

Posted by: Alex3 | February 16, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

@Bernie: What are the false and bigoted ideas that both FNC viewers and substantial numbers of non-FNC viewers hold?

The belief that American Muslims have not done enough to oppose extremism in their communities?

The belief that the hearings on the alleged extremism in the American Muslim community are a good thing?

The belief that they feel well informed about Islam and the beliefs and practices of Muslims?

Posted by: sbj3 | February 16, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Mark, I forgot we were talking about King's hearings. Doh! . "Well, I think that is a ridiculous inquiry, for reasons I have stated." I agree.
My wife, by the way, is not the source of credible information about Islam. She is apostate, she is dead to Islam. Her family on the other hand...

Posted by: shrink2 | February 16, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

O yeah, the year 1450. That is the most ridiculous excuse I have ever heard for why European Powers were justified in colonizing and carving up the Middle East in the 20th Century.

And of Course it was also the Muslims who launched Crusades and built Castles across England, right?

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/happy_hour_roundup_188.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | February 16, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Bernie. Liam, chuck, what should be done about FOX News? Also, what percentage of the electorate has their vote and/or behavior influenced by FOX News that would otherwise be influenced by a more balanced outlet? Just curious, and sincere thanks for such interesting comments.
:-)

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | February 16, 2011 6:04 PM | Report abuse

sbj: "The belief that they feel well informed about Islam and the beliefs and practices of Muslims?"

"Well informed"...I'd like to see a test of their knowledge of the beliefs and practices of Muslims. That would be interesting. Gosh, maybe Peter King could hold congressional hearings to find out what the average American actually *knows* about this subject.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | February 16, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

People who want to watch Faux News should continue to do so, but they should be provided with a disclaimer, that they are not watching real news, just a Political Party's Propaganda Media Outlet.

Faux News Viewers, you are watching a 24/7 Sham Wow Infomercial.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Troll-

I don't think anything should be "done" about Faux. I would only suggest that media watchdogs keep in the hunt and point out falsehoods, exaggerations, etc.

I was only half-joking about "Democrats who trust FOX" above.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 16, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

@chuck: sept 2010

"It's wildly counterintuitive, at least if you believe the chattering-class wisdom that only tea-party yahoos watch Fox News. But if a survey released Monday by the Pew Research Center for People and the Press is accurate, at any given moment there are more Democrats watching Fox News than MSNBC or CNN.

According to Pew, 53 percent of MSNBC's viewers identify themselves as Democrats, compared to 47 percent at CNN and 21 percent at Fox News. Applying those percentages to the August Nielsen ratings, it means that the average number of Democrats watching Fox News is 214,200. MSNBC has 199,810 Democrats, and CNN 179,070.

Read more: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/changing_channels/2010/09/cable-news-fair-and-balanced-audiences.html#ixzz1EARSsAyh

Posted by: sbj3 | February 16, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

@mark - I saw your note from this morning but had no time to reply.

Bridging divides on what programs ought to be funded either less or more than at present is certainly possible as it has been done, if with friction, through a substantial portion of my lifetime.

But three to four decades ago, the corporate sector began, quite purposefully, to set about building institutions which would de-fund, de-legitimize and disempower the left. Unions in manufacturing and industry were, of course, a prime target. Unions associated with government were in the crosshairs too for two reasons - to disempower a demographic which predominantly voted Dem and, importantly, in order to move corporate into areas where there was a lot of money changing hands which they wanted (education is a fine example). A good historical accounting of this (and related matters) was done by the Atlantic's previous editor, Lewis Lapham...

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Republican-Propaganda1sep04.htm

Because of the effectiveness of that project, we are now at a much different point than we were even when Nixon was in office and building bridges is no easy matter. Clinton and Obama are two of the most talented politicians of my lifetime and even so, what they have faced in terms of structural opposition has seriously limited what they might otherwise have been able to accomplish. I'm not at all sure I could get anywhere with Scott on these issues - I think the ideology is too deeply planted.

Are you familiar with John Rawls Theory of Justice? That's really my fundamental starting point on how and why we ought to organize society in a particular manner. Wikipedia has a pretty good piece on him and his "original position" idea. So if you wanted to know where I hang my hat, it's right there.

Posted by: bernielatham | February 16, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I was only half-joking about "Democrats who trust FOX" above.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 16, 2011 6:22 PM

.......................

I trust them to always say "The Right" thing.

Posted by: Liam-still | February 16, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

@sbj-

Its interesting to note the lack of spread in the numbers between the three that Dems watch.

I'm not even going to tackle the "trust vs. accurate" news argument...

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | February 16, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

MUSLIMS BETTER THAN ISLAM

Here is CAIR's founder in his own words ~ our problem is we don't believe the things we don't want to hear.

::

"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

::

See dhimmi laws or the standard 2nd class citizenship [or non-citizenship] for non-Muslims in the Islamic world. And this is the norm ~ this is not radical Islam!

Look at the US religious freedom reports ~ Human Rights Watch reports ~ that is the Shari'a.

::

Muhammad said push the non-Muslim off the major roads ~ drive them onto the minor roads ~ to make them know they are not Muslims.

The Saudi afternoon/ weekend schools in England, which were teaching kids how best to chop off hands ~ also told the kids make the non-Muslims walk around you. [BBC docu]

In Syria and the Middle East ~ non-Muslims used to have to lower their gaze when they passed a Muslim in the street.

In Pakistan ~ Hindus have to pay the jizya tax - Koran 9:29 - in the tribal or outlying regions ~ in some of these areas they are also required to wear a red patch on the outside of their clothing ~ to demonstrate to others they are non-Muslims. In these areas they are not allowed to greet a Muslim.

In Turkey - the Armenian genocide came after they started to request equality with Muslims ~ there were 13 million people back then and they killed 1.5 - 2 million Christians of several types.

The Turkish PM recently said ~ no Muslim can commit a genocide.

::

The yellow star of WWII was said to have been of Islamic influence ~ the Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler had a close relationship. And Hitler admired Islam ~ over the weak/feeble Christianity.

Iran was debating in their parliament, whether or not to make their non-Muslims wear a colored patch or star in accordance with their religion.

Afghanistan is considered a Christian and Jew free country! On Muhammad's deathbed he said Arabia should be free of Christians or was the idolaters ~ when they didn't acknowledge his assumed prophet-hood ~ he killed them. Some Christians were allowed to live but only under a subjugated status, which continues today.

::

Fox News didn't just make this up.

This isn't about local right and left ~ this is freedom versus theocracy.

An Oz convert recently said Australia should come under Islamic rule. We are hearing these things across Europe. And in the US there is talk of altering the Constitution ~ to include Islam extreme punishments.

Humanity is greater than Islam will ever be ~ don't confuse Muslims' humanity with Islam.

Posted by: roxn | February 16, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Jeez...have any of these bozos read Leviticus?

Posted by: bernielatham | February 16, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

http://www.filmsite.org/wavfiles/coolhandluke.wav

Posted by: shrink2 | February 16, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse

@roxn:
Fox News didn't just make this up.

Oh yes they did. Or at least they have selectively chosen and edited statements to create fear and loathing of Muslims and Islam. I can quote David Koresh, Pat Robertson, Jim Jones, Hagee, etc. saying religiously bigoted and inflammatory things as easily as you quote others.

"Katrina hit NO because of their lax attitude toward gay people" immediately jumps to mind, but I am sure there are lots of others

This isn't about local right and left ~ this is freedom versus theocracy.

Right, the only danger of theocracy here is the Christianist takeover of civil secular society. Christianity is virtually a litmus test for elected office, certainly at the federal level. How many professed atheist senators are there? How many non christian presidents have we had? Who tries to put the 10 commandments in courthouses? If any Koranic decrees were ever allowed into a courtroom, your head would explode.

. And in the US there is talk of altering the Constitution ~ to include Islam extreme punishments.

The only talk like this comes from the voices inside your head. (There is treatment for this, but first you have to admit you are powerless before your delusions.)

Humanity is greater than Islam will ever be ~ don't confuse Muslims' humanity with Islam

And I won't confuse you with someone who has any brains, sense, judgement, or tolerance for diversity.

Posted by: srw3 | February 16, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

@battleground51: Americans who watch NBC think Muslims are honest, trustworthy, and just like Americans.

Note to BG: There are lots of trustworthy Americans who happen to be Muslim and lots of untrustworthy Americans of all pursuasions.

Don't let your head explode without a bucket to catch the detritus.

Posted by: srw3 | February 16, 2011 8:25 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not at all sure I could get anywhere with Scott on these issues - I think the ideology is too deeply planted."

True, but whose?

Government employee unions seem to have prospered pretty well on the whole, and the left is funded with billions as never before.

Rawls' theory is an interesting little sort of game theory exercise but holds up poorly to critical examination.

Posted by: quarterback1 | February 16, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"Poll: Fox News watchers far more likely to have negative views of Muslims"
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This is news? But I guess this does still leave us with the question of which came first, the chickens or the Fox?

Posted by: CalD | February 16, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Are you familiar with John Rawls Theory of Justice? That's really my fundamental starting point on how and why we ought to organize society in a particular manner. Wikipedia has a pretty good piece on him and his "original position" idea. So if you wanted to know where I hang my hat, it's right there.

Really? Thanks but NO. I prefer freedom over being organized in a particular manor. You can all hide behind your pseudo intellectual piety and ad hominem arrogance but the empirical evidence proves Islam as barbaric, anti social and deadly. Don't believe me? Ask Danny Pearl.

Posted by: cctinc | February 16, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: bernielatham
Are you familiar with John Rawls Theory of Justice? That's really my fundamental starting point on how and why we ought to organize society in a particular manner. Wikipedia has a pretty good piece on him and his "original position" idea. So if you wanted to know where I hang my hat, it's right there.

Really? Thanks but NO. I prefer freedom over being organized in a particular manor. You can all hide behind your pseudo intellectual piety and ad hominem arrogance but the empirical evidence proves Islam as barbaric, anti social and deadly. Don't believe me? Ask Danny Pearl

Posted by: cctinc | February 16, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

"Poll: Fox News Watchers Far More Likely To Have Negative Views Of Muslims"


I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, to find out that todays extremist Republican party is choke full of racists, bigots, homophobes and xenophobes....NOT!


This is like when the Teabagger/Republican inbreeds ignore the reality of Obama's certificate of live birth as a way to pretend they're not racists, which simply makes them look stupid and racist.

.

Posted by: DrainYou | February 17, 2011 12:30 AM | Report abuse

So a progressive group's polling finds they disagree with Fox viewers on the facts about Muslim intentions?

*pffl*

International poll: Muslims support strict Sharia, Islamic supremacism
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090225/pl_usnw/muslim_publics_oppose_al_qaeda_s_terrorism__but_agree_with_its_goal_of_driving_u_s__forces_out

COLLEGE PARK, Md., Feb. 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A study of public opinion in predominantly Muslim countries reveals that very large majorities continue to renounce the use of attacks on civilians as a means of pursuing political goals. People in majority-Muslim countries express mixed feelings about al Qaeda and other Islamist groups that use violence, however, perhaps due to a combination of support for al Qaeda's goals and disapproval of its terrorist methods.
Large majorities support allowing Islamist groups to organize parties and participate in democratic elections. In some majority-Muslim countries, Islamist groups, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, are forbidden from participating in elections....

The survey is part of an ongoing study of Egypt, Pakistan, and Indonesia, with additional polling in Turkey, Jordan, the Palestinian territories, Azerbaijan, and Nigeria. It was conducted July through September, 2008 by WorldPublicOpinion.org with support from the START Consortium at the University of Maryland. Margins of error range from +/- 3 to 4 percent.

In nearly all nations polled more than seven in 10 say they disapprove of attacks on American civilians. "Bombings and assassinations that are carried out to achieve political or religious goals" are rejected as "not justified at all" by large majorities ranging from 67 to 89 percent. There is a growing belief that attacks on civilians are ineffective, with approximately half now saying that such attacks are hardly ever effective....

Views of al Qaeda are complex. Majorities agree with nearly all of al Qaeda's goals to change U.S. behavior in the Muslim world, to promote Islamist governance, and to preserve and affirm Islamic identity. However only minorities say they approve of al Qaeda's attacks on Americans....

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 17, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

So a progressive group's polling finds they disagree with Fox viewers on the facts about Muslim intentions?

*pffl*

International poll: Muslims support strict Sharia, Islamic supremacism
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090225/pl_usnw/muslim_publics_oppose_al_qaeda_s_terrorism__but_agree_with_its_goal_of_driving_u_s__forces_out

COLLEGE PARK, Md., Feb. 25 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A study of public opinion in predominantly Muslim countries reveals that very large majorities continue to renounce the use of attacks on civilians as a means of pursuing political goals. People in majority-Muslim countries express mixed feelings about al Qaeda and other Islamist groups that use violence, however, perhaps due to a combination of support for al Qaeda's goals and disapproval of its terrorist methods.
Large majorities support allowing Islamist groups to organize parties and participate in democratic elections. In some majority-Muslim countries, Islamist groups, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, are forbidden from participating in elections....

The survey is part of an ongoing study of Egypt, Pakistan, and Indonesia, with additional polling in Turkey, Jordan, the Palestinian territories, Azerbaijan, and Nigeria. It was conducted July through September, 2008 by WorldPublicOpinion.org with support from the START Consortium at the University of Maryland. Margins of error range from +/- 3 to 4 percent.

In nearly all nations polled more than seven in 10 say they disapprove of attacks on American civilians. "Bombings and assassinations that are carried out to achieve political or religious goals" are rejected as "not justified at all" by large majorities ranging from 67 to 89 percent. There is a growing belief that attacks on civilians are ineffective, with approximately half now saying that such attacks are hardly ever effective....

Views of al Qaeda are complex. Majorities agree with nearly all of al Qaeda's goals to change U.S. behavior in the Muslim world, to promote Islamist governance, and to preserve and affirm Islamic identity. However only minorities say they approve of al Qaeda's attacks on Americans....

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Translated: Muslims differ with Al-Qaeda on the means, not on the goals.

Here is a pdf of the full report. See especially pages 27 through 30: "Islamist Groups and Shari'a." On page 27, the report says: "The Islamist goal of giving Shari'a a larger role in Islamic society is viewed positively."

And on page 29: "In Egypt 81 percent said they agreed with the al Qaeda goal of "requir[ing] a strict application of Shari'a law in every Islamic country" (65% strongly); only 12 percent disagreed. Pakistanis were similar with 76 percent agreeing with this goal (52% strongly); 5 percent disagreed. Indonesians, however, agreed by only a narrow plurality: 49 percent supported the goal (just 14% strongly), while 42 percent disagreed. In Morocco in late 2006, 76 percent agreed."

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 17, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

LINKY REPAIR: Here is a pdf of the full report. See especially pages 27 through 30: "Islamist Groups and Shari'a." http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | February 17, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Liam-still posted: "O yeah, the year 1450. That is the most ridiculous excuse I have ever heard for why European Powers were justified in colonizing and carving up the Middle East in the 20th Century."

Colonizing ? Liam.. except for Algeria .. the colonizing was by the Turks for some five hundred years.

The British were ALLIES of the Arabs and helped drive the Ottaman Turks out of the Middle East.

The British even OPPOSED the creation of Israel (check their UN vote in 1948). They also armed Egyptians and Jordanians in 1946 and 1947 and advised Arab commanders which parts of Palistine they were abandoning in hopes Arabs would triumph over those devil Jews.

Liam, read some history over then the pablum you are fed from the anti-western leftist Koolaid drinkers.

Posted by: pvilso24 | February 17, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Why it's because those who watch faux noise are idiots and ignoramuses and highly prejudiced. These are unrepentant segregationists who would have lynched black people back in the day. Just sicko whackos. Shameless sheeple.

Posted by: letemhaveit | February 18, 2011 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Why would anyone have a positive view of muslims? Because of their great contribution to literature and music? Because of their great tolerance for other religions? Or, maybe, because of their championship of women's rights? Answer me that!

Posted by: jack29 | February 18, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

NewsBusters: Are FOX Watchers Too Paranoid About Radical Islam in America...or Are PBS Viewers Too 'Tolerant'?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/02/20/are-fox-watchers-too-paranoid-about-radical-islam-americaor-are-pbs-view

Posted by: StewartIII | February 20, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

OnE cAn OnLy wOnDeR...

Does Greg Sargent know that in every muslim country the overwhelming majority want sharia law? That's what all the polls show. Why, in Egypt, with its new glorious "democracy", polls show that 82% of the population want sharia law complete with all the goodies like stoning.

Do you really think that American muslims are the exception in a world where most all muslims live under sharia law in their own countries, except for Turkey? And even there, the military has had to throw out Islamic supremacist governments in 1960, 1971, 1980, 1997 after a sharia hungry populous voted them in.

What in the world makes you think that somehow American Muslims DON'T want to follow the word of Allah written in Koran? Or the example of Mohammad in the Hadiths? Those are what sharia is: the infallible word of Allah.

Why is it that you think that American Muslims are different than any other Muslims? Based on what, exactly?

People like Greg Sargent haven't thought this through at all, and don't want to think it through.

Posted by: DonMcKellar | February 21, 2011 2:21 AM | Report abuse

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